Hey guys, So I made an attempt to port 3.2 sdk to nook and i had a minor success with it.
Basically i have used Divine-Madcat's modifications from 3.0 sdk with 3.2 sdk image from Google, and after a very few changes it worked!!
But there are a lot of problems right now, for ex-
It takes a lot of time to load up and screen remains blank unless i use power button,
Display just goes blank randomly but comes back on using power button,
Android seems to take touch input as a mouse input and displays a round pointer,
laggy as hell(sometimes, randomly it goes smooth), probably displays one frame per second, and usually hangs up after a minute of use.
Wifi-not working
sd-card- not working
This is in no way usable right now, but i am posting the zip file anyway, hoping that someone will come out of no-where and help me fix this(thinking of this as an opportunity to learn)
So try it if you are feeling adventurous and want to fix things up.
Format data before u proceed.
DO NOT FORMAT BOOT.
MEDIAFIRE LINK
Disclaimer: I am not responsible for what happens to your nook, if you decide to flash this zip(though it likely won't do any damage).
reserved for future
Good luck to you, kind sir.
Looks good, but not even close to daily driver. Screenies?
None of the SDKs, including my own, are daily drivers. Until we can compile code, they will never be daily drivers.
Well, your SDK 11 port is pretty functional, just a little graphics lag.
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Well, your SDK 11 port is pretty functional, just a little graphics lag.
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Yes, it booted, but by no means was it a driver. It wasn't just graphics lag, it was overall lag. hardware acceleration was a no go... Look, it was fun to play with, but never a driver.
Unless deeper blue comes in with something (not saying he can), these will always be experiments; there is just too much code that needs to be compiled for our device for it to really work...
If you say so.
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If you say so.
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Given our respective success in porting things, i think i will value my opinion just a bit more, sorry.
Divine_Madcat said:
Yes, it booted, but by no means was it a driver. It wasn't just graphics lag, it was overall lag. hardware acceleration was a no go... Look, it was fun to play with, but never a driver.
Unless deeper blue comes in with something (not saying he can), these will always be experiments; there is just too much code that needs to be compiled for our device for it to really work...
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Well you are right, this pretty much is an experiment and its a good way for me to learn things, but u never know maybe someone will get their hands on that latest driver, or maybe someone will figure a workaround, those guys at notion ink Adam have a very good honeycomb port which people use as a daily driver.
Progress is progress. At the same time, I'm starting to feel like we're hitting a brick wall without any type of hardware acceleration. The SDK ports themselves usually run next to fine functionality wise, but the lack of hardware acceleration means that virtually all of honeycomb is unstable without massive tweaking.
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Well you are right, this pretty much is an experiment and its a good way for me to learn things, but u never know maybe someone will get their hands on that latest driver, or maybe someone will figure a workaround, those guys at notion ink Adam have a very good honeycomb port which people use as a daily driver.
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That isn't too surprising, since the hardware is the same as every other tablet (Tegra2), and most of the acceleration should work without needing a recompile. On the other hand, we have to use the SDK code, which is compiled very generically, and we don't have that luxury.
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Given our respective success in porting things, i think i will value my opinion just a bit more, sorry.
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Of course.
I still really appreciate the random efforts at a Honeycomb ports - it's unfortunate there isn't a larger Honeycomb dev community looking at this device, but at the same time completely understandable when you read the struggles of DB, DMC, etc., and the relatively dim outlook without a proper 3.0/.1/.2 source release.
For a long time I just thought it'd be a matter of time and folks would be right back at it - but now that it's taking a long while, there's real concern that if/when a proper source is released, will people still be interested in developing for the NC?
So yeah - I appreciate seeing any efforts pop up. It reminds me people are trying, and that's awesome.
CM based roms work just fine - but there's something decidedly underwhelming about the 2.x experience on a tablet.
arrjaytea -
I could guarantee, with the AOSP code, the nook would be an even neater device. Frankly, assuming we dont lose a dev base, i see great things for our device when ICS hits. As it is, from everything i have heard form our CM7 brethren, CM7's efforts are not for waste; many lessons and fixes learned here will help future efforts..
Assuming el goog keeps their word, the nook is still living the high life.
I really hope the current devs stick around long enough to dev a great ICS rom. I cannot wait for that at all. Finally, a proper HC-"based" rom for it.
In my opinion we let Google get to big by adopting their "free" services. They are as evil as Microsoft was/is in my eyes now. Not releasing code that they basically said would be open and public until it is "end of life" goes against the foundation of what android was supposed to be about. They are like Walmart in that they undercut the little guy to drive them under and then piss on us. Had it not been for android, alot of us would probably be running Openmoko on our phones and maybe tablets. Flames away
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In my opinion we let Google get to big by adopting their "free" services. They are as evil as Microsoft was/is in my eyes now. Not releasing code that they basically said would be open and public until it is "end of life" goes against the foundation of what android was supposed to be about. They are like Walmart in that they undercut the little guy to drive them under and then piss on us. Had it not been for android, alot of us would probably be running Openmoko on our phones and maybe tablets. Flames away
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If they release the code, there's a chance that the Android brand will be further fragmented and destroyed by improper use of it. Blame the Chineese tablet makers for stuffing 1.6 on tablets, that's what this is a result of.
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I still really appreciate the random efforts at a Honeycomb ports - it's unfortunate there isn't a larger Honeycomb dev community looking at this device, but at the same time completely understandable when you read the struggles of DB, DMC, etc., and the relatively dim outlook without a proper 3.0/.1/.2 source release.
For a long time I just thought it'd be a matter of time and folks would be right back at it - but now that it's taking a long while, there's real concern that if/when a proper source is released, will people still be interested in developing for the NC?
So yeah - I appreciate seeing any efforts pop up. It reminds me people are trying, and that's awesome.
CM based roms work just fine - but there's something decidedly underwhelming about the 2.x experience on a tablet.
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After working a lot more with honeycomb port, i think i am happy that a lot more developers are actually working on cm7 than on honeycomb ports, these ports are a good way to try honeycomb on nook and have a little fun but, i don't think that even if we solve the video drivers issue honeycomb sdk could be used as a daily driver. The problems are just too much and the amount of tweaking it would require to get a good usable rom would not be worth it. Even functionality wise, sdk's have lots of problem. As for when source it released i think we will get at least one more CM port simply because the no of nook owners is just a lot right now.
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If they release the code, there's a chance that the Android brand will be further fragmented and destroyed by improper use of it. Blame the Chineese tablet makers for stuffing 1.6 on tablets, that's what this is a result of.
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That's the inherent risk involved in adopting the open source model. You have a chance of fragmentation because you have so many manufacturers developing device or brand specific code and you have many developers developing codes specific to their roms, but what some see as fragmentation others see as variety, accessibility, and community driven problem solving. Android is probably on twice as many devices as Apples iOS. In my opinion a little fragmentation is worth the price.
I am disappointed that Google didn't release the source code. Anybody who has the ability to do some crazy like run honeycomb on their G1 phone or any other phone for that matter should be prepared for an experimental experience.
As for manufactures the Chinese putting Donut on their tablets--perhaps would have been easier for them to put Honeycomb on it if Google would have released the source codes. A lot of us are running phone OSes on our tablet albeit most of us are running Gingerbread on our Nook colors, but it would be nice to get a tablet OS like Honeycomb. Ice Cream Sandwich is suppose to be a Q4 release, but we'll see if that still happens. At least their is some hope. Just my humble 2 cents.
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Just wondering if the OTA servers are back and if a new update is available?
They have been down several days. You can be patient and wait, or you can go over
to one of the threads in Developers and download the file version -- say 3588.
Usually you have to win-rar the download to get the update.zip and recovery folder.
Hook up your PC to you G-Tablet and copy both files to the /sdcard directory.
The shut down and boot into recovery using power/volume + and that you cause the update to load.
Hope this helps.
Rev
I was just hoping (maybe plz)
That a new release would bring us some honey happiness!
I am content with VegaN for now..
Sorry, but I don't frankly think we see honey-anything for a long while
unless its an out and out hack.
Google is being stupid and it seems to me the tablet companies are not
moving that fast either.
IN THE END, I think whether you are really happy with something -- as in
tablet -- depends on how you use what you've got to work with.
Rev
butchconner said:
Sorry, but I don't frankly think we see honey-anything for a long while
unless its an out and out hack.
Google is being stupid and it seems to me the tablet companies are not
moving that fast either.
IN THE END, I think whether you are really happy with something -- as in
tablet -- depends on how you use what you've got to work with.
Rev
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Its not google that is holding up things. Its the tablet manufacturers. We could have honeycomb if viewsonic released source code for the drivers we need. What viewsonic should be doing is using the developers here to improve there products!
But couldn't you....
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Its not google that is holding up things. Its the tablet manufacturers. We could have honeycomb if viewsonic released source code for the drivers we need. What viewsonic should be doing is using the developers here to improve there products!
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I'm not an expert or anything, but if the Xoom and the G-tab are as close in hardware as I've read, couldn't someone extract the drivers from a Xoom and use them in a G-tab? I hope I'm asking this correctly. I'm not sure how the dirvers are implimented in Android since I come from a PC background.
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I'm not an expert or anything, but if the Xoom and the G-tab are as close in hardware as I've read, couldn't someone extract the drivers from a Xoom and use them in a G-tab? I hope I'm asking this correctly. I'm not sure how the dirvers are implimented in Android since I come from a PC background.
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They aren't the same, that's the problem. Completely different system boards - the only thing the "same" that we know of is the CPU, and I believe the Wifi. The only issue is that the frame buffer seems to have moved to either the kernel or the bootloader, so even though we can boot up Honeycomb on the GTAB, no one's been able to activate the LCD (yet).
What we really need, from my "hacker" perspective, is another Harmony device like the Adam or VEGA to get Honeycomb. That's something we can use on the GTAB, since the boards are similar. Or, at the very least, for Nvidia to release a Honeycomb dev kit for the Harmony board. But so far none of these things have happened yet.
Imo, don't go on Honeycomb as your reason to own / keep a GTAB. I'd be more concerned about optimizing Froyo at this point. Google (and Nvidia) have really locked down Honeycomb so far, so who knows when a Harmony-based version will show up.
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They aren't the same, that's the problem. Completely different system boards - the only thing the "same" that we know of is the CPU, and I believe the Wifi. The only issue is that the frame buffer seems to have moved to either the kernel or the bootloader, so even though we can boot up Honeycomb on the GTAB, no one's been able to activate the LCD (yet).
What we really need, from my "hacker" perspective, is another Harmony device like the Adam or VEGA to get Honeycomb. That's something we can use on the GTAB, since the boards are similar. Or, at the very least, for Nvidia to release a Honeycomb dev kit for the Harmony board. But so far none of these things have happened yet.
Imo, don't go on Honeycomb as your reason to own / keep a GTAB. I'd be more concerned about optimizing Froyo at this point. Google (and Nvidia) have really locked down Honeycomb so far, so who knows when a Harmony-based version will show up.
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Thanks for the explaination. I'm very new to the Android world so I'm still struggling to get a "windows" reference to everything. I've tried a few of the gingerbread roms and really don't see much diference than the stock one. Apps appear to work the same and other than a speed increase, it was the same "experience" if you know what I mean. I just wish there were apps that took full use of the tablet experience.
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Thanks for the explaination. I'm very new to the Android world so I'm still struggling to get a "windows" reference to everything. I've tried a few of the gingerbread roms and really don't see much diference than the stock one. Apps appear to work the same and other than a speed increase, it was the same "experience" if you know what I mean. I just wish there were apps that took full use of the tablet experience.
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I had the same learning curve - Android is more like Windows CE than Windows, imo. As for Gingerbread, it's not a major update but it is a bit more polished and there are speed improvements - think of it as a "service pack", almost.
Has the Viewsonic Gtablet development become a standstill?
Thoughts?
Opinions?
No.... I believe not.
Now everyone's holding their breath for HC.
Here somewhere is a post about latest development (sorry can't find it now).
HC is already booting on G-tab. Hopefully devs will get everything they need to get it going.
Keep my fingers crossed!!!!
You have a cyanogen tag in your sig and yet you ask that? They are releasing nightlies at least once a week. As far as Honeycomb goes it may be booting but its completely worthless to use.
I think I'll keep my thoughts and opinions to myself as anything negative about the wonderous GTab is not tolerated here
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You have a cyanogen tag in your sig and yet you ask that? They are releasing nightlies at least once a week. As far as Honeycomb goes it may be booting but its completely worthless to use.
I think I'll keep my thoughts and opinions to myself as anything negative about the wonderous GTab is not tolerated here
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LMFAO, you can always talk about the "horrible viewing angle" everybody CAN agree on!
Kenfly, there is actual progress reported that I believe involves a dump of an ASUS Honeycomb box that has been ported to the Adam and there is a picture of it on a G-tab. I just read about actual WPA2 support too.
Here is the thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1065220
The good news is, Roebeet has taken an interest too, so there are some VERY clever guys working on this!
Yes there is but it is completely unuseable at this point.
I was told the viewing angles are not horrible and to expressing my opinion of that as well
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1064775
Follow that thread. Oozura is doing a great job keeping everyone up to date with cm nightlies and releases with bugs and bug fixes. They are making huge progress on major issues right now. It means at some point Gojimi will update VeganGinger as well.
If you follow that thread keep mashing that thanks button for him so people know there is interest and he keeps posting
I see it slowing down as more turn towards the newer tablets on the market. Updates wont be as frequent...
If you have it setup good now then you'll be ok. Its not like the internet, video or audio will stop working because of this.
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No?
Looks like tons of action to me - pershoot and others have delivered stable overclocked/undervolted kernels in the past week, and the CM7 team has cranked out two stable and about 10 nightly revs in the past week, going from "yes, it sorta works" to functional camera and some hardware acceleration for video playback.
What projects are you working on?
there are more forums to search than the ones here (hint)
There's a lot going on, in early (VERY EARLY) stages.
While some might believe that the Gtab is worthless, I would argue that the hardware itself is not at all. The company that put their name on it, and their "support" might very well be as worthless as a batteries to the Amish.
There are experiments going on utilizing The Notion Ink Adam, and porting it's software to the G-tab. There's a rumor that they are getting an official GB update, and if portable to the G-tab, then we could essentially have an "official" GB Rom (including drivers from Nvidea), without VS needing to get their hands dirty. There are a few comparable (in hardware) tablets out there that are getting the support from their manufacturers that we would like to get from VS. If we can't get VS to update, then the next best thing is to borrow updates from other systems.
If it all works out, it will definitely not be a quick release. Lots of testing would be needed, since the code being worked on is not "made" for the G-tablet.
The reason that it seems like development has halted, or at best, slowed down, is because nothing new is coming from the allmighty VS. Nothing can be developed from the nothing that they are constantly providing. The only development that can be done is using existing Roms, and tweaking them. The bottom line, though, is that unless VS comes out with a GB Rom WITH hardware drivers, the current batch of custom Roms, Vegan-Tab, VeganGinger, CM7, TNT, etc. are dead in the water, and will never have hardware acceleration, since they are all based off of old code, that doesn't include it.
So, simple answer, there are developments that are ongoing, there are tweaks and fixes, possibly additions to some of the existing roms, but there will never be any development on new VS rom, until VS actually releases a new VS rom.
Only one person is building off VS firmware. Everyone else is using Google source and from the commits that Nvidia is making to git. VeganGinger and CM7 are under constant development and CM gets closer everyday to finalizing hardware acceleration. Vegan-Tab is froyo and based off vega firmware and has hardware acceleration as does TNTlite.
Depending on Notion Ink, the king of stretching the truth, for something is knuts
And yes there are some half ass non useful ports of Honeycomb posted on other sites. Nothing works. Its a honeycomb gui hacked into an old kernel
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While some might believe that the Gtab is worthless, I would argue that the hardware itself is not at all. The company that put their name on it, and their "support" might very well be as worthless as a batteries to the Amish.
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Great analogy. =)
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There are experiments going on utilizing The Notion Ink Adam, and porting it's software to the G-tab. There's a rumor that they are getting an official GB update, and if portable to the G-tab, then we could essentially have an "official" GB Rom (including drivers from Nvidea), without VS needing to get their hands dirty. There are a few comparable (in hardware) tablets out there that are getting the support from their manufacturers that we would like to get from VS. If we can't get VS to update, then the next best thing is to borrow updates from other systems.
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The NI software release, if they do in fact follow through with something for once, will be utilizing the exact same GB-compatible drivers that we already have. We already have "official" GB ROMs with the same level of HW accel that anything from NI would come out with. We already have those drivers from nVidia. =)
But you're right in implying that VS won't have to get their hands dirty. =)
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Nothing can be developed from the nothing that they are constantly providing. The only development that can be done is using existing Roms, and tweaking them. The bottom line, though, is that unless VS comes out with a GB Rom WITH hardware drivers, the current batch of custom Roms, Vegan-Tab, VeganGinger, CM7, TNT, etc. are dead in the water, and will never have hardware acceleration, since they are all based off of old code, that doesn't include it.
So, simple answer, there are developments that are ongoing, there are tweaks and fixes, possibly additions to some of the existing roms, but there will never be any development on new VS rom, until VS actually releases a new VS rom.
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Actually.... you're incorrect here. New development is being done completely independent of VS. It's called CyanogenMod-based and AOSP-based ROMs and they are completely different than those based on VS or NI-based ROMs which anything based on those are in fact MODs and tweaks. CM and AOSP ROMs are based on newer code and do include the foundation for hw acceleration.
So to summarize - development is not dead if you're not based on a locked bootloader and stock ROM from VS. If you're based on Google and nVidia then there is definitely development going on. It's all in what your base is.
We already have "official" GB ROMs with the same level of HW accel that anything from NI would come out with. We already have those drivers from nVidia.
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You'll have to excuse my ignorance on this issue, as all I've used so far is Vegan-Tab. I love it, it's stable, and I've not seen any inherent problems with it, so I figure, why change?
But, I thought that CM7 and VeganGinger had issues with video playback and 3d video acceleration, since Nvidea is "no longer going to support the Harmony Tegra 2 chipset." I don't know much about CM7, but from reading their website, and observing some of the experimental posts, it doesn't seem that they've been able to truly replicate the drivers that, I believe, Nvidea owes us. Nvidea said that they will provide support and updates if manufacturers requested it. As far as I know, Viewsonic only had one update since they made that statement, and it didn't include anything new from NVidea.
I had assumed that since this rumored NI GB update was official from the manufacturer, that they wouldn't have done it without getting official drivers from Nvidea.
I'm sorry, is there something I'm missing? I thought that it was a big deal that NVidea hasn't provided driver updates for true hardware acceleration, and that it can't be achieved without informaiton from them, and that they've decided ot no longer support...
it's a confusing world in the land of G-Tab.
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You'll have to excuse my ignorance on this issue, as all I've used so far is Vegan-Tab. I love it, it's stable, and I've not seen any inherent problems with it, so I figure, why change?
But, I thought that CM7 and VeganGinger had issues with video playback and 3d video acceleration, since Nvidea is "no longer going to support the Harmony Tegra 2 chipset." I don't know much about CM7, but from reading their website, and observing some of the experimental posts, it doesn't seem that they've been able to truly replicate the drivers that, I believe, Nvidea owes us. Nvidea said that they will provide support and updates if manufacturers requested it. As far as I know, Viewsonic only had one update since they made that statement, and it didn't include anything new from NVidea.
I had assumed that since this rumored NI GB update was official from the manufacturer, that they wouldn't have done it without getting official drivers from Nvidea.
I'm sorry, is there something I'm missing? I thought that it was a big deal that NVidea hasn't provided driver updates for true hardware acceleration, and that it can't be achieved without informaiton from them, and that they've decided ot no longer support...
it's a confusing world in the land of G-Tab.
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The rumored NI GB update is just that - rumor just like all the other NI rumors. We'll see what happens.
As to nVidia - the 3991 update that was later pulled from VS contained updated GB-compatible libs that were from the Gingerbread Ventana system image from nVidia. Those libs were (and still are) in CM7 and AOSP and VEGAn-TAB. Hacks and mods have been inserted to make CM7 work with them and hw accel is functioning much better after pershoot's kernel overclocking.
thank you for the clarification
I'm relatively new to the custom ROM scene, but I'm every bit as geeky as anyone on this forum. After a bit of ROM hopping and trying to find a good solid stable ROM I'm left wondering - is it simply going to be more of the same when the Honeycomb (and eventually Ice Cream Sandwich) source code is released and ported to G Tablet? Of course the newness of HC/ICS will lure me in but it feels like it'll just be a different toilet with the same ish. Is this scene just about sustaining "the chase" or does it actually get better?
P.S. - I'm not ishing on custom ROMs and I mean no disrespect to the ROM developers at all - I'm a developer myself and I would not do anything to hurt my own. Do not take my words the wrong way
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is it simply going to be more of the same when the Honeycomb (and eventually Ice Cream Sandwich) source code is released and ported to G Tablet?
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Yes, it will still be Android. No matter how much you polish a turd, it's still a turd
What do you mean, more of the same?
I fail to see the point above me, as android is clearly not a turd. I also think that things will change. New APIs are released with each version of android, and these APIs in theory could have great effects on which apps can run etc. Just look at the Hero which was updated to 2.1 from 1.5 the difference the the amount of apps it can run at each version is amazing.
DiGiTY said:
I'm relatively new to the custom ROM scene, but I'm every bit as geeky as anyone on this forum. After a bit of ROM hopping and trying to find a good solid stable ROM I'm left wondering - is it simply going to be more of the same when the Honeycomb (and eventually Ice Cream Sandwich) source code is released and ported to G Tablet? Of course the newness of HC/ICS will lure me in but it feels like it'll just be a different toilet with the same ish. Is this scene just about sustaining "the chase" or does it actually get better?
P.S. - I'm not ishing on custom ROMs and I mean no disrespect to the ROM developers at all - I'm a developer myself and I would not do anything to hurt my own. Do not take my words the wrong way
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Huh? You weren't here when thy started developing the froyo custom rom and eventually ginger. There were a lot for them to hammer out. We now have very stable roms to use. HC will eventually be stble once they hammer out the bugs.
So I don't know what you mean by the same. Yes it will still be android. No it will never sing and dance. Yes the roms will be more stable. No its not an ipad.
Again I have no idea what you're asking.
I think he wants to know when we're getting iOS.
also seems to think you can't get honeycomb on a gtab yet....when we all know the alpha build been somewhat stable for a week now.
It almost sounds like you're looking for them to create something that exceeds what is sold as stock on other tablets, like the Xoom. For me, it's not even about that. While the devs do their own things to improve functionality and experience on the ROMs they cook up, ultimately the goal here is to provide the same functionality as stock ROMs at the very least to hardware that it wasn't originally designed for. With the GTab, for me it's about getting the equivalent of a higher priced product for less, with the same functionality, and experience.
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I think he wants to know when we're getting iOS.
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QFT
If the OP isn't into flashing and enjoying finding a ROM that suits their needs and just wants something that 'works out of the box' they are best suited to using IOS which makes things much easier and requires no thinking/experimentation/learning.
Some people buy these devices for the sheer fun of playing around, as annoying as that may sound.
Until the Android Market is updating with new apps regularly people arent going to be fully happy. I love my Tab for what it does but an app a day keeps the ios away.
I couldn't have said it any better. Its about getting the same experience from a device at half the price. I fully appreciate the hard work put into these roms and I think viewsonic would have sold half the amount or less gtabs without them.
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Yes, it will still be Android. No matter how much you polish a turd, it's still a turd
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Well this seems to be the consensus. Makes sense and answers my question a little.
I guess this custom ROM scene reminds me of projects like XBMP - it went from mplayer to XBMP to XBMC and then to Plex & boxee. It evolved. It matured. Or like car enthusiasts - you have your collection of cars but you have one or two that you've put together that is solid. The thrill of practicing your craft is always going to excite you but at some point something becomes of the hard work that is put in. ROM hopping with Froyo and GB was fun, but knowing the same thing is going to happen with HC/ICS leaves one yearning for their trophy ROM after all that flashing.
Or maybe its out of ROM developers' and flashers' control. Maybe too many manufacturers are releasing too many damn Android devices that ROM developers are stuck in a perpetual state of "adding new device support" and bug fixing instead of innovating and truly polishing. Maybe "the fragmentation" hinders any substantial maturity in this scene and keeps ish more of the same. I may have just answered my own question there.
Oh well.
P.S. - I'm not a fan of iOS, love flashing/ROM hopping and all about getting the same if not better experience from a device at half the price.
DiGiTY said:
Well this seems to be the consensus. Makes sense and answers my question a little.
I guess this custom ROM scene reminds me of projects like XBMP - it went from mplayer to XBMP to XBMC and then to Plex & boxee. It evolved. It matured. Or like car enthusiasts - you have your collection of cars but you have one or two that you've put together that is solid. The thrill of practicing your craft is always going to excite you but at some point something becomes of the hard work that is put in. ROM hopping with Froyo and GB was fun, but knowing the same thing is going to happen with HC/ICS leaves one yearning for their trophy ROM after all that flashing.
Or maybe its out of ROM developers' and flashers' control. Maybe too many manufacturers are releasing too many damn Android devices that ROM developers are stuck in a perpetual state of "adding new device support" and bug fixing instead of innovating and truly polishing. Maybe "the fragmentation" hinders any substantial maturity in this scene and keeps ish more of the same. I may have just answered my own question there.
Oh well.
P.S. - I'm not a fan of iOS, love flashing/ROM hopping and all about getting the same if not better experience from a device at half the price.
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Actually, your points are extremely valid. I fully expect to be running a Bottle of Smoke beta (or alpha) when Ice Cream Sundae is released and the devs will be jumping all over the place. I think that is the natural order of this "scene" - that as newer code/features/support comes out the older stuff falls by the wayside and resources go to the new kid in town.
I too love to mess with things in general, betas, alphas -pretty much anything.
When I got my Gtab, I had already lurked here and decided I would try TnT lite and VEGAn and see which I liked more. I preferred VEGAn and stuck with it through several versions. I was constantly installing apps that looked interesting and alternative kernels (hello overclocking!) and ended up removing the vast majority of them.
Once the Notion Ink guys (and Roebeet) brought in the HC, my course was changed easily. Since I loved the new UI, I knew I would have a HC device soon. Through the various early alphas to the latest (3.3 last night) I have tried them all, NVFlashing sometimes 5 or 6 times a night to get back to functional. Lately, I keep coming back to version 2.4, which is most stable for me, but I will absolutely be sticking 3.4 and beyond on here even if it is just for a few minutes testing before I go back to 2.4.
If you are going to do any of it, go ahead and NVFlash to the base with the 1.2 bootloader for compatibility down the road. I get props almost daily for being so "cutting edge" and having the newest flavor first among my friends and coworkers/employees. They are always asking what OS I am running today.
http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2011/111209xa.html?mtxs=rss-corp-news
If a webos port was made for your Galaxy SII, would you at try it out? Whats everyone's thoughts?
I don't know about others but I, for me will be excited and undoubtedly I'll want this on my GSII, it will be a pleasure.
Thanks for the link anyway.
Sure
Would be cool to try WebOS at SGS II =)
I think it doesn't have much chance against Android.
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I don't know about others but I, for me will be excited and undoubtedly I'll want this on my GSII, it will be a pleasure.
Thanks for the link anyway.
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Yeah definitely the same here! I'd love to be able to dualboot both OS' on my phone. Plus all the power the GSII is packing compared to that of the touchpad. It would be insane!
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I think it doesn't have much chance against Android.
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I see it not so much as a competition, but more as something that would compliment my phone. Primarily android, with webos on the side.
But I agree that it would be cool to try it nonetheless.
I would probably flash it out of curiosity but ultimately ill no doubt always stick with Android unless they do the unthinkable and become "closed" like IOS but i cant see that ever happening.
of course I want it in my phone. Also, could the devs port the code to android to make it faster/better/whatever?
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http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2011/111209xa.html?mtxs=rss-corp-news
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Didn't HTC or Samsung (can't remember who) get full licensing permissions on WebOS? lol well that's useful now.
If it was me, yes I definitely would! Like with the HD2, I tried WM 6.5, WP7 and Android, but ultimately had to go back to Android.
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What we have here is HP finding a cheap way to support it's WebOS devices.
I'd sure as hell try it out. The UI is fantastic and would probably fly on the SGS2. Probably would have to steal some drivers from Android but since they're both linux-based it shouldn't be too difficult.
Although I'm guessing most of the devs are involved with ics at the moment...
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Didn't HTC or Samsung (can't remember who) get full licensing permissions on WebOS? lol well that's useful now.
If it was me, yes I definitely would! Like with the HD2, I tried WM 6.5, WP7 and Android, but ultimately had to go back to Android.
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Hey Skellyyy, just out of curiosity, what made you stick with Android over WP7? I have not had any WP7 device yet, but it looks attracting.
I would LOVE this...i got a Pre on day one and loved WebOS...i would have stayed, but lack of solid hardware and an extremely small dev crew to get things going. if we could even get a WebOS launcher on top of android, that would be amazing!
i truly hope they get this going on our SGSII's.....i'd pay good cash for this!!
EDit - Any dev who decides to take this on, consider my SGSII a test device for you....
WebOS all the way!
For those who haven't tried it, here are some hints:
-butter smooth (when fresh)
-TRUE and exceptional multitasking
-great UI
The thing with HP is that they bought Palm for a hefty sum but never had any idea how to make it better. For now, they only got two WebOS devices that can not be called ancient: Pre3 and Veer- both fabulous phones ( Veer is quire popular among ladies, even @ Google HQ ). This is the bottle neck for their market. If they will get it running on other devices it will surely change the game more than WP7 did.
HP will nail it if they choose to go open source and get some devs involved, though this OS is maybe the best so far, it's still full of bugs and flaws, looks like a beta release.
... Another one. Is open sourcing now the dumping ground for dead projects?
came back from a party some minutes ago and read that webos is now open sorce on pocketnow.
it would really be great to be able to dualboot webos and android on the s2. hope somebody will do this and bring us this great os.
htc9420 said:
WebOS all the way!
For those who haven't tried it, here are some hints:
-butter smooth (when fresh)
-TRUE and exceptional multitasking
-great UI
The thing with HP is that they bought Palm for a hefty sum but never had any idea how to make it better. For now, they only got two WebOS devices that can not be called ancient: Pre3 and Veer- both fabulous phones ( Veer is quire popular among ladies, even @ Google HQ ). This is the bottle neck for their market. If they will get it running on other devices it will surely change the game more than WP7 did.
HP will nail it if they choose to go open source and get some devs involved, though this OS is maybe the best so far, it's still full of bugs and flaws, looks like a beta release.
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i have a touchpad,laggy as hell,specially reading a pdf
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Hey Skellyyy, just out of curiosity, what made you stick with Android over WP7? I have not had any WP7 device yet, but it looks attracting.
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Hi, I don't really know tbh, android just felt like my home that I couldn't leave. Although I really want a WP7 device to give it another try. I feel like it could be good for me, everything I basically need and it just works. Without any distractions. Social integration is a major plus now too, I never really went on social networks when I tried it out, might get another cheap HD2 and have fun with it.
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I am sorry but we won't get android wave, it is not a popular device and people are happy with only bada.
For sure !
Bada is a good OS but Android is even better.
And it is always a pleasure to have a dual boot device and to switch between OS.
I'm outta here. having just got a Sony Ericsson ray which is roughly equivalent in hardware terms I've discovered a wonderful new mobile life where the OS really works.
random lagging totally not present on android 2.3.4. on BADA this is still present and there are even random crashes (insufficient memory). I've seen Android baulk when doing Facebook + Google navigation + music + just pictures. when returning to the home page some icons take a second or two to fill. that's it.
Web browser : woah! at last a browser that properly handles full desktop sites complete with flash. even chatroulette works! oh and it doesn't forget passwords too.
gps : hot lock in under 10 seconds EVERY TIME
cold fix in under 1 minute using agps. around 3 minutes without data. admitted the phone probably has a more recent chipset but then I've seen a Samsung galaxy S work nearly as well, why not the wave!?
navigation : Google navigation built in. perhaps this is a gadget so I tried igo and sygic.. no stuttering whatever. finally a phone with gps that just works without worrying if it has crashed or is still stuttering at the last junction. Why does bada stutter whereas android doesn't and on similar hardware?!
oh the apps! enough said
Customisation on android is unbelievable. hey I think I'll swap out the keyboard for something better, no problem! Samsung please unlock the OS.
and on a final note, I video skyped my family today using the phone. Samsung, unlock voip now or better dump BADA and give the wave a well deserved android rom please.
Thank you and goodbye BADA.
A lesson in how not to do it.
The project has failed because of pig headedness and neglect. People asking the questions they where told not to, leading to developers getting irate and walking away (this however, is something which any developers must face with a grin and bare it so they don't have any excuse either). In my opinion the Wave community don't deserve Android on their devices.
Sorry if I've offended anyone with this but i have been following this section for many months and over that time the above has become painfully obvious to me.
I hope the developers involved go off to be successful with projects on other devices.
All the best.
While the project could've been handled better, I wouldn't say it has failed yet. Rebellos and Oleg are still working on it AFAIK.
Hope to get android rom for Wave soon! Thank you developers! We only use normal phone for Call/Msg features but we need more than that with a smart phone. Bada is not so bad but i think samsung must do so much to improve it, apps, memories manage etc...
tydaikho said:
Hope to get android rom for Wave soon! Thank you developers! We only use normal phone for Call/Msg features but we need more than that with a smart phone. Bada is not so bad but i think samsung must do so much to improve it, apps, memories manage etc...
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Trust me on this, they won't, but I've been using it like you, the dual boot isn't much of an inconvinience to me. The only problems I've had are lack of 3G, accelerometer and some apps not working due to Froyo/Filesystem.
I've got round all the other problems ^^
Are you kidding me? We can't reaching Android level because of you and you-like HUMANS. Please stop demotivating us and get the hell out of here...
Yeah i'm looking forward for it patiently ^^
what a silly and useless thread... closing this is the only sensefull thing about stuff like that.... i does not help anyone-.- demotivating developers is the only effect of threads like that
all said. i'm in for android on wave2.
well,
sitting in a chair for 10 hours daily... working on some IT **** is making me suffocate.
BADA has no release of v2.0 for my region and i'm stuck with v1.2.
im just a jughead.. a lazy bastard who wants to have fun with this new toy called S8530.
I hope all the devs round here help each other and do some real cool things with their brains.
all said. i'm in for android on wave2.
It's a shame that this excellent hardware cannot yet run Android complete with modem chip drivers. I am still waiting for android on Bada as I have a number of people around me who like me have been decieved my BADA. If I can help, please feel free to contact me on the forum
p.s. I point out that I'm by no means a dev but I'm capable of flashing firmwares on my GT8500.
no, sold it!
The Wave isn't as good as you think. I hated the pentile screen, the round edges that made it slip out of my hands all the time, the ****ty OS and the small screen.
Bought the HD2 and it is a whole different class. Sorry guys, but the bada phones are literally cheap crap. The OS is at least as important as the hardware. Bada is crap, no matter what you say.
Get an Android smartphone, you'll be much much happier!
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Get an Android smartphone, you'll be much much happier!
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I think that this thread have to be closed, it is not the spirit of xda.
All member sould support all developments as it is the goal of xda.
Also the hardware of the Waves are really good ,and as you said the os is very important, porting android will make of the Waves a wonderful device.
By buying a new device and to tell all the xda community that you think that the Waves phones are crap you just actually said that you are weak (for the xda community).
I can say I've now given up waiting.
I'm tired of the Wave, it's boring me and I can see no Android port coming around anytime soon. I have the resources to buy a new phone, hopefully going to be a Tegra 3 monster.
I will make sure the damned thing does all I want this time!
I respect the work that the people here at XDA are doing, but I think even they know this will never be finished, I guess it's a learning curve.
I tried to get some interest built up and succeeded in some ways, but oh well.
Bada is dead, but wave is superb!
Ok, i want an android phone with basically same specs with wave and in any case hardware call buttons and not touch. I cannot find anything like that!