[Q] Honeycomb vs. Gingerbread - G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Hey, I was wondering why anyone would use GB for the gTablet when HC is also available. I could understand if the tablet ran GB stock because then there would be driver support to consider but since neither is officially supported, why run a phone OS?

I tried both and personally went back to Gingerbread. Biggest reason was that my G-Harmony GB ROM appear quite a bit more responsive and stable than the 3 HC ROMs I tried. The HC UI is a lot nicer but sluggish and the sluggishness annoyed me.
I was wondering if it is because the 1GB is required for good performance in HC. Our beloved GTab only has 512MB

Here comes a curve ball
I have bounced around a lot of ROMs in the past several months. I really had good experiences on all of the GB and HC ROMs I used. But I am now back to Froyo (Calkulin/Clemsyn v5) and don't intend on switching ROMs again until the HC ports mature a bit more (read: hw acceleration).
The interface on HC and GB might be slicker and smoother than Froyo, but Launcher Pro fills a lot of that gap. And performance on Froyo (battery, video, app compatibility) just seems better. This is just a feeling, not from any real testing or side-by-side comparison.
Really, when you get into an app (at least the ones I use commonly - Netflix, Opera Mobile, YouTube, Spotify, Pulse), they look the same no matter what ROM you are on.
Just my $0.02.

Yah, HC has nice eye candy but i might go back to froyo for the performance too.

I tried HC and love the UI but when it came down to it, i didn't buy a tab to sacrafice the cam,(all be it lame), and HD video for eye candy. Hopefully these will be fixed one day soon.

What I don't understand is what is the point of using gingerbread at all anymore? It seems like you would either want a fully working ROM (Froyo) or the prettiest (HC). Gingerbread may have a working camera, but otherwise, can someone enlighten me on why to bother?
I currently run Flashback, but someone else is going to be taking it, and pending they want a camera, I don't understand why they would want Gingerbread over Froyo. Please enlighten!

'Prettiest' is a matter of taste. Just because GB is for phones and HC is for tablets, does not mean all tablet users prefer HC; nor does it necessarily mean that all HC ROMs ported for the gTab are better than all the GB ROMs.

It miht be a matter of habit.
Picture it. Ice Cream Sandwich comes out, and a Rom of it is developed for the Gtablet. You've been using HC for almost 8 months now, and are pretty used to the screens, the app drawer, the "add to home screen" interface, the settings, etc.
When you try Ice Cream Sandwich, it's "nice" but it's not what your used to. You've been using HC for so long that Ice Cream Sandwich just seems "off."
Do you stay on ICS, or switch back to HC becuase it's comfortable.
Before there was HC roms, people were using CM7, et. al. because they were the new fancy thing. They used it for so long that they are just used to it. They try HC, and miss the camera, or the settings, or the app drawer, or something else that makes GB "home."
For a lot of us, including me, we are stuck on Froyo. I tried HC, I liked the way it looked, but at times, the ui was just not what I'm used to. It had nothing to do with the camera, I never use it. It had little to do with hardware acceleration, becuase software encoding on videos works just as well. I went back ot Froyo because it felt better. I'm used to it, I actually missed it.
That's why people still use GB...it's what they are used to, simple as that.

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New G Tablet user.. what is best ROM to use?

Just got my G Tablet... wondering what the best ROM is to install on this thing? seems like there are sooo many different options!!!
Fortunately, you're right, there are tons of options...
Unfortunately, everyone will give you the same answer, "It's up to you."
I know it's a cop out, but it's really true. I suggest that you search for some videos on youtube of the different roms. Reviewers more than likely have used different ones and will give decent reviews, as well as why they stuck with the one they are on, currently.
One MAJOR decision is whether to stay with the 1.1 bootloader, ot update to the 1.2 bootloader. Robeets worked hard at getting most of the 1.1 Roms translated to the 1.2 branch. So, if you prefer TNT lite (1.1), then go for Mountain Laurel (1.2). Vegan 5.1.1 (1.1) flash brilliant corners (1.2).
When I got mine, it came with Tnt lite installed. I didn't care ofr it much, so I flashed Vegan 5.1.1. I used it for about 3 weeks, then did the update procedure and flashed Brilliant Corners, and haven't looked back. It's stable, everything but hardware acceleration works (but that doesn't work on any Rom at this point)
If you want to go with the honecomb development, then you need to be on 1.2 bootloader. Put it this way. There are 2 major "styles" of rom that you will NOT be able ot use on 1.2, they are Vegan Ginger, and CM7. There is one "style" of rom that you can NOT use on 1.1, that being Honeycomb (Bottle of Smoke)
Pretty muc all other popularly used roms can exist on one or the other in their specific arrangements.
When I did the update process, it required me to flash to the stock 4349 update, and to be perfectly honest, it really wasn't that bad. You can apply market fixes to it, to pretty much make it fully functional. It's not a bad starting point if you want ot play around, and get used to the tablet before jumping to a new rom. it will also give you a chance to figure out what you do and don't like about the stock setup, and what you'd be looking for in a custom rom.
That's the most diplomatic I can be, but once again, ultimately, it's all up to you.
Just got my last Thursday. Spent the entire weekend playing around.
Started at VeganGinger but I just found it to be a little unstable but I loved the speed. Also has some video issues and since this was primarily for my kids to watch movies while on the go that was not acceptable.
Went back to VeganTab 5.1.1 and loved it. Extremely stable and everything worked but I really missed GingerBread.
Finally took the plunge to CM7 nightly last night and I can't find any problems so far. Very stable and I love all the tweaks for tablets. Video works great. HD video in youtube starts off a little shaky for the first few seconds but stabilizes after a few seconds. Other movies play great in rockplayer and ASOP video player.
I like to stay a little more on the bleeding edge than leading edge with ROMs but I am just not ready for 1.2/HoneyComb yet. It looks awesome but I think they have a few more bugs to work out before the noobs like me jump on.
Hope this helps.
Depends on what you want to use the tablet for. I am just using mine to play around with - a new toy and a first time android user.
In 2 weeks, I have installed VEGAn-TAB Ginger and then moved on to CM7 to get netflix app working and now on the Honeycomb alpha.
Of these, I liked CM7 as it seemed to be more stable. Not a whole lot wrong with Vegan-tab ginger either. Both will run fine if you want to use it daily. The HC alpha is unstable but fun, and a work in progress.
Cheers to all the devs who work on all these ROMs. Great job
Watch some of the videos in the stickied topic in this general forum. Good idea what you are getting into.
What did you do to go from Vegan Ginger to CM7
Is there a link with a step by step instructions to move from Vegan Ginger to CM7? It is not clear what we have to clear. Do we need to wipe data as well as dalvich and partition?
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Is there a link with a step by step instructions to move from Vegan Ginger to CM7? It is not clear what we have to clear. Do we need to wipe data as well as dalvich and partition?
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I was hoping to do something similar.. from Vegan Froyo to CM7 but I've been putting it off
I use Brilliant Corners. Was on Vegan 5.1.1 first then Calkulin/Clemsyn and I'd have to say BC is my favorite out of the bunch. It's on the other forums, PM me if you don't know what I'm talking about. I'll probably be trying Honeycomb out once it hits beta.
sorry for the newbie question.. but what does all this mean.. Honeycomb, Gingerbread, Froyo, etc.?
they are nicknames given to the versions of the Android Operating system. equate them to 3.1, 97, 2000, XP, Vista, or 7 for Windows.
Froyo is version 2.2
Gingerbread is version 2.3
Honeycomb is version 3.0
If you see a tablet, or phone for sale that says it has Android version 2.2, then it's using the "Froyo" version.
Honeycomb is the first, and only (so far) Android operating system specifically designed with Tablet's in mind. All others are phone based.
There is a rumor that Google is designing an Android OS that will be a hybrid phone/tablet OS, it's rumored to be version 2.4.
The ultimate goal for the G-Tablet is to get a stable hardware accelerated honeycomb rom onto it. It would be the natural fit since the G-tab is a tablet, of course.
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you may now be asking, why don't all tablets use honeycomb, then.
The answer is, android tablets predate honeycomb. You might notice, if you flash Vegan5.1.1 for instance, that the dock on the right side contains a "phone" button. that's because the Froyo OS was designed for phones, not tablets. you can remove the icon, but it will still maintain scripts for phone function, though it can't actually be used as a phone.
This is where there is actually an advantage for iUsers. iTunes contains sections for iPods, iPhones, and iPads. You can download an app designed for an iPhone, and run it on an iPad, but it will only be seen on a small portion of the screen, but centered. You can resize it, but you'll lose some clarity in the image. However, you'll be unable to download an iPad app for your iPod, becuase it's specifically designed for the iPad.
In the Android market, there aren't any distinctions between 10" tablets, 7"tablets, or phones. you may download an app, thinking you can play it (try spiderman HD for instance) It will install, and work, but the image only takes up a 4" portion of the screen. The buttons are all out of whack, it's not centered, and you can't resize it. It's made for phones, and ONLY phones, but there's no way of knowing until you've tried it. Likewise, the reason we need to do market fixes and tweaks, is because hte market doesn't recognize the G-Tablet as a 10" tablet. So most tegra games will not show on the market. You need to trick the market into thinking that you have something different.
Getting a rom specifically designed for tablets is a step in the right direction for making the G-Tablet perform up to it's potential.
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Is there a link with a step by step instructions to move from Vegan Ginger to CM7? It is not clear what we have to clear. Do we need to wipe data as well as dalvich and partition?
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You probably should, but I didn't and have no problems.
where do I find these ROMs and the install instructions for them? I'm thinking I'm going to try CM7 first..
I went from Stock 3588 rom to Vegan 5.1.1 to CM 7.0.3. I really like CM7 it seems much more responsive I was concerned about the lack of hardware video drivers for the Ginger based ROMs but to be honest I have not had a problem and Netflix run very well on CM7 which was a big factor for me switching to CM7 from Vegan. I installed CM7 from CWM did the usual factory reset/delete user data and clear cache and it loaded fine. I am looking forward to a stable HoneyComb ROM
I figure you are asking for our opinion and not the absolute universal truth, so my opinion is that stock derivatives are the best. Only missing the tabs for text selection. Particularly, Calkulin's version is pretty good, and the one further refined by Clemsyn with overclocking which is the most solid performer I came across.
Check in the Dev section for the links.
did the latest CM7 nightly build today.. works good..
I had to manually download and install GAPPS and also do the Flash Player install and the marketplace fix. but now it works..
and I didn't know that the stock video player sucked.. so I had to download MoboPlayer.. seems to work for most download videos online..
when you click a video online like say a .avi or .mpeg it loads right up in MoboPlayer now.. is there a way to make it load from the web broswer into VPlayer or something else? everything goes to MoboPlayer now... and although MoboPlayer seems to play 90% of the videos... there are some that still don't play and only seem to play in VPlayer...
Anyone have any suggestions to this question, now that we're a few months further down the road?? Hopefully some of you have gotten a chance to load many of them and settle on one that you like best. I just got a gTablet (BL1.2), and can't wait to get CWM and a good ROM on this thing! So, at the present time, which are the most stable ROMs out there? I am looking for a Honeycomb based one specifically. Thanks in advance for any suggestions!
HC rom is not stable right now, due to the fact that HW acceleration and etc is not supported really well. It really boils down to two choices in HC rom, flashback or Gtabcomb. Flashback is still updated, while developer of gtabcomb has abandoned the rom, thus no more update. However, as so far i know , gtabcomb is more stable than flashback.
HC will have HW acceleration and have 3.2 ported, as talented folks are still porting .36 magical kernel to gtab. It's not yet complete, maybe another month or two?
As for stable roms, go for froyo. Calkulin and Clemsyn ver 6 froyo rom is fast, (1.5Ghz overclock), but it might result to overheat, thus you might want to tweak the clockspeed (doable in setCPU).
For gingerbread, go for vegan tab 7.10. Quite stable . the only deal killer is that pandora is not working well on Vegan.
In the end, it still boils down to choice of what u want
I have settled with the Beast 2.2.1 rom BL 1.2. I have figured that it is the only one that can display HBO go properly. The only down fall is that the front camera doesn't work, but don't use it anyways. Trying different things with it and everything seems to work perfect with it. It is a froyo based rom, but with a little display changes it displays exactly like VeganTab 7.0. I was even able to change the bootloader to the VeganTab Gingerbread.

Are any of the Honeycomb ROMs suitable for daily use?

I know the main leak wasn't, but I'm wondering if anyone has any recommendations on a Honeycomb ROM that's suitable for everyday use? This waiting game is getting really tiresome.
It depends on what you need to be working. All of the HC ROMs have issues with the camera in most apps other than the stock camera app and some issues with the mail widget not updating. Most other functions seem to be pretty solid and the interface looks a lot nicer. Since Google never released the source code for HC the 3rd party developers have no way to fix the bugs and we have to wait for HTC to drop another leak or final release.
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kkinder said:
I know the main leak wasn't, but I'm wondering if anyone has any recommendations on a Honeycomb ROM that's suitable for everyday use? This waiting game is getting really tiresome.
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The question is if you can live with the issues in the leak or not. They are not so big that you can't use it daily. I have it installed since the leak came out and happy with it. Never thought to go back...
For what it's worth....
It's just an operating system. It's like saying "I can't wait until I get Window 7 over Win XP". After the initial installation, and few minutes of "wow, that's cool" it's no big deal.
I had Honeycomb 3.1 on my GTablet and my girlfriend had an Motorola Xoom and it too had HC. IMHO the HTC Flyer is way better with Gingerbread than those with HC.
Just my opinion.
I don't think HC is going to give you any added functionality. If you use your tab for email, movies, web surfing, etc., then just stick to what you have.
Thanks all. Mostly I am looking at the tablet enabled apps, especially swype. But I don't know if I wanna put up with much broken, especially the camera which I actually do use. Thanks for your thoughts.
imp, swype is quite a hassle to use on tablets. Check out thumb keyboard. https://market.android.com/details?id=com.beansoft.keyboardplus&hl=en
I want to know if the pen functionality really impressive within all applications on honeycomb? Or is it just like another capasitive pen on other tablets because lack of pressure sensitivity? Can you feel the difference?

Honeycomb performance?

Can anyone give any feedback on the performance of the Honeycomb update (official). I'm not interested in custom roms, unless they are close to stock.
I had the original Xoom and Honeycomb ran like crap on it. It was laggy and generally performed poorly. This, after two wipes. When the official update does come out, I'm debating staying on Gingerbread simply because it runs well. Considering that the Xoom had a dual-core processor, I'm wondering if performance will be even worse on the Flyer. Although it would be bad even if it was "as good" as it was on the Xoom.
this will come down to opinion. Having ran both I choose honeycomb. There is not real noticeable speed increase or dectease. No additional lag or anything I see. You lose the use of your hard buttons and have a honeycomb bar on the bottom of the screen. This can be removed if rooted using honeybar, but I would only do this if watching video and or playing video games. Honeycomb is better suited for tablets in my opinion. There are apps that make better use of the device, the homescreens are better configured due to widget sizing.
Coming from a phone with gingerbread when I got my Flyer I felt like, this is nice but it is just a large phone. Honeycomb makes it feel like a different device. If you need to make calls, or can not deal with the screen being shrunk a little, stick with gingerbread.
All roms out there for honeycomb are basically stock, or stock slightly tweaked under the hood. They all look exactly like stock less maybe a battery mod on one rom
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this will come down to opinion. Having ran both I choose honeycomb. There is not real noticeable speed increase or dectease. No additional lag or anything I see. You lose the use of your hard buttons and have a honeycomb bar on the bottom of the screen. This can be removed if rooted using honeybar, but I would only do this if watching video and or playing video games. Honeycomb is better suited for tablets in my opinion. There are apps that make better use of the device, the homescreens are better configured due to widget sizing.
Coming from a phone with gingerbread when I got my Flyer I felt like, this is nice but it is just a large phone. Honeycomb makes it feel like a different device. If you need to make calls, or can not deal with the screen being shrunk a little, stick with gingerbread.
All roms out there for honeycomb are basically stock, or stock slightly tweaked under the hood. They all look exactly like stock less maybe a battery mod on one rom
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Thanks, dude! I actually don't mind the Gingerbread version on the Flyer because HTC made so many tablet-like optimizations to it. I have seen that the pen is much more utilized in the Honeycomb version, which is a plus. My main concern was performance. My experience with the Xoom left a bad taste in my mouth. I had horrible memory leak issues, crashing, and generally bad performance. Gingerbread runs well, so I don't want to go back down that road.
Flyer was/is my first honeycomb device and I thought hc would be much buggier. It's pretty solid, so I tend to believe htc did a good job polishing it.
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Been on it for 2 days.
Hc makes much better use of the pen and tablet optimized gapps are a huge plus.
I haven't noticed any downside to making the jump so far. Some have reported wifi problems, but I haven't experienced that.
I loaded HC on my dad's Flyer and I can say that flash video performs much better on HC than it does on my GB View.
The Flyer can stream 720p from youtube and play Amazon prime video just fine but my GB View is limited to 480p from youtube and struggles with SD video from Amazon prime.
Subjectively, I find HC MUCH smoother and more pleasant to use than GB - the screen transitions are just silky smooth here, where they were notchy in GB. There are more apps I can use now, but some (e.g. Dolphin Browser, My Country) don't work anymore.
You do get a feeling that the bar is better suited for larger screens, and that you should be able to hide it. But I can sure live with it.
Haven't noticed any difference in raw speed, but the honeycomb os has features that make it easier to use and therefore faster to perform functions. Eg more shortcuts or widgets per screen, better gmail app, great task manager for easy multi tasking, and many more
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[POLL]-[FLYER]-[HoneyComb or GingerBread] ?

I know this question had been raised many times, just wanted to get/share a decent statistical view/review about Flyer-HC and Flyer-GB..
The Basic Qurstion Would Be:
Why HoneyComb ?
-Is it faster ?
-Is it more stable ?
-Does it have better application/game compatibility ? <-----Doubt this {Gameloft Stuff/Skyscape/Medical Apps}
-Does it look more eyecandy ? <-----Doubt this
Thanks for sharing your opinion
Speed difference is subjective
Personally I think honeycomb fits a tablet better. The ui is more suitable. If you are not willing to root I can see how some do not like the honeycomb bar. Honeycomb apps make better use of screen.
With LeeDroids tireless work, honeybar or honey hide, and LeeDroids tweaks apk, you get the best of all worlds.
jaguaralani said:
I know this question had been raised many times, just wanted to get/share a decent statistical view/review about Flyer-HC and Flyer-GB..
The Basic Qurstion Would Be:
Why HoneyComb ?
-Is it faster ?
-Is it more stable ?
-Does it have better application/game compatibility ? <-----Doubt this {Gameloft Stuff/Skyscape/Medical Apps}
-Does it look more eyecandy ? <-----Doubt this
Thanks for sharing your opinion
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To hell with all of that.
HC is closer to ICS.
And in all seriousness, way to have an unbias poll.
Compatibililty: Every single app that worked on my Flyer with Gingerbread works on my Flyer with Honeycomb. I have yet to find an app that Honecomb broke, and that includes games.
Speed: If anything, Honeycomb feels faster than Gingerbread, but the difference is minimal.
Eye Candy: there's not a huge differnce either way, though my Flyer with Honeycomb still feels fresh to me and feels very polished.
Stability: after the last Gingerbread security update, Sense would frequently crash on me. not so with honeycomb.
Expanded capabilities: The pen now works in all applications. Yeah!
Fixes: Arrow keys now map correctly on a bluetooth keyboard when the Flyer is propped up in landscape mode.
Why HoneyComb ?
-Is it faster...everything works and feels smoother to me
-Is it more stable...was never unstable and still isn't
-Does it have better application/game compatibility? never had had compatibility, still don't
-Does it look more eyecandy? yes, definitely...GB on the flyer made it look like a big ugly phone...HC is a heaps better user experience and makes more sense
I prefer Honeycomb, as it offers a better tablet experience than Gingerbread, which is a phone based interface.
Why HoneyComb ?
@jaguaralani maybe it would be better if you ask the reason they used HC instead of GB on Flyer or vise versa.
Main Reason : added pen functionality! SketchBook! lately start using it on Quill. awesome experience.
Application compatibility : HC - i can use Whatsapp Messenger, which is not possible on stock GB.
what about battery life comparism? i haven't notice on GB, but on Lee's HC ROM it stay around 5~6 hours with wifi + 3G and moderate usage.
It really boils down to GB is a phone OS, and HC is a Tab OS. Aside from app compatibility (which falls on app devs, not the OS itself) I vote HC hands down. For all functionality & looks.
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No comparison two different worlds.
Now I wish the walls could be torn down between Operating systems and treat them as apps running on a much more capable device so we could choose what we would like to run.
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I was running Honeycomb since the day the OTA came to the UK (so a few months now), but last weekend I decided I'd had enough and downgraded. Though it was a slightly harrowing experience, I'm very glad I did...
I very much dislike the updates that have been made to the Sense apps in honeycomb. Having text on each button rather than just the icon looks ugly on such a small screen and swallows precious real-estate. The browser is almost unusable in landscape mode because of this, and there's no option to hide the toolbar!
Lack of a real full-screen mode in Honeycomb really hurts the Flyer imo. 1024x600 is already quite a narrow aspect ratio and isn't particularly high-res. To reduce the vertical resolution by 32 pixels (I think that's the size of the shortcut bar), with no way of opting out is too annoying. It really badly affects games and video watching.
Though the frame-rate on the launcher is generally a bit better in Honeycomb, it reloaded a lot more often and would often pause for noticeable periods - more so than the launcher in Gingerbread. I also don't like how the Sense widgets have shrunk - the big full-screen widgets are one of the things I really like on the Flyer.
So all in all, playing games, browsing and watching videos are all worse for me on Honeycomb. Given these are the three things I do on the Flyer the most, I have to say it's Gingerbread for me... I miss some of the updated tablet apps and the improved performance (in some scenarios at least), but it doesn't outweigh all that's wrong with it either.
I really hope if/when ICS comes out, that they revert to the phone-style layout with hardware keys and a smaller, drag-down panel. It'd be nice if they could enable that interface with tablet apps, but I'd pick a big android phone over a tiny android tablet any day.
It really comes down to whether you like a tablet experience or a big phone. No offense to GB lovers but go play with the EVO 3D and then the Flyer running GB, similar feel.
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All I know is that I wish I never accepted the OTA Honeycomb update. My Flyer has been slow and buggy every since. Browser crashes a lot, flash hangs. Never used to happen on Gingerbread. Issues persist, even with custom ROMs. Can't even downgrade, due to newer HBOOT that is unsupported by revolutionary. I'm just hoping ICS clears things up.
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All I know is that I wish I never accepted the OTA Honeycomb update. My Flyer has been slow and buggy every since. Browser crashes a lot, flash hangs. Never used to happen on Gingerbread. Issues persist, even with custom ROMs. Can't even downgrade, due to newer HBOOT that is unsupported by revolutionary. I'm just hoping ICS clears things up.
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your issues are not common and to me would indicate an issue other than HC. and I believe if your Hnoot is supported by HTC Dev Unlock you should be able to roll back
FWIW, i rooted and installed the HC OTA on my View yesterday, adn i love it 10x more..to the poster who said GB makes it seem like a big ugly phone, you're so right. the screen is NOWHERE near as nice as my rezound, and it literally just seemed like a giant rezound..so i put HC on it, and damn, everything just looks so much cooler! i love the tablet UI much more.
for that LeeDroid tweaks, is that only on the flyer, or can i use that stuff on my View too?
Put HC on it last night and ended up playing with it for 3 hours after and I am paying for that now! Sooo tired.
Anyway, it is definitely a different experience then GB and makes it feel a lot different then my phone. Sense widgets are a little weird and the use of screen real estate for the launcher is questionable but I like it better right now. Need more time to play though.
The big question is will the wife like it. It is mainly her tablet and she hates change! I am expecting a lot of screaming to come out of her today of how much she hates it and I need to put GB back because she doesn't know how to do anything on HC. Will give you the follow-up report. She hasn't even seen it yet
Neither...
Both have their advantages and both have their disadvantages.
Overall, I think I prefer Honeycomb on my View. I am on stock. I like being able to use the pen more. I like the way the widgets work on the homescreens. The bottom bar mostly doesn't bother me, as I think more apps will build in support for dimming it. Since ther used to be a notification bar on top, I don't think the loss of screen real estate is that big of a deal.
Some issues I have had are that I seem to get more system force closes, but not enough to be bothersome. The stock browser crashes a lot, but I use Dolphin now, so no big deal. The keyboard is sometimes glitchy when editing text.
My other family members have elected to stay on GB because they like the capacitive buttons and don't care as much about being able to use the pen.
HC gives a more natural UI experience when used in landscape mode, with the bar at the bottom. Easier to reach, in a more natural way, in my opinion.
I've rooted GB to have phone function. Obviously GB for me since HC cannot have phone function.
Also, as previous HC user, I find HC not stable. Probably its stable now. But I'm not willing to take the risk and lose my phone function.
Phone has already been added by LeeDroid in his latest honeycomb Rom.
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[Q] [should be sticky] GB or HC--What are the pro's and cons

The flyer is great little tab with a razor tight res screen and plenty fast enough single core CPU.
But its also semi orphaned since its too old for HTC to be expected to devote resources to an ICS upgrade.
So its kind of weird where all the ROM Development has switched to Android 3.0 which the consensus says runs so unsatisfactorilly on a Flyer that devs have released downgrades back to Android 2.3.x
What a mess. Do the custom 3.0 ROMs fix the probs? If so why all the down grades.
Apologies if this was dealt with somewhere but I searched, a link to same much appreciated
I would disagree that honeycomb is a mess but yes that opinion has been started by others. Performance appears to be a matter of opinion round these parts. If you really don't like honeycomb it is unlikely that any of the roms will make you happy
Flyer
For me i like HC. Its performance was always good on mine Flyer. I used Leedroid 4.3 ROM. Pen full suport. nice Sense 3.0. Tablet look, a lot more nice widget suported. However, bluetooth gsm calls r not suported. I am using flyer as phone as well so this was an isue for me. Not for ppl with wifi flers thow.
So atm downgraded on GB. BT calls works great. Pen ofc only suported in note. Look is more as a phone and sense isnt as nice as in HC. Less apps suported. Performance might be slightlly better but nothing of worth puting as pro or contra.
ATM w8ing on and keeping x fingers for ICS developers to solve all the starting isues.
I never bothered with HoneyComb. I saw that there was less app support in HC (for example no HBO Go, and no MaxGo) and I decided to at least wait until app support appeared (thus far it has not).
I probably won't bother with custom ROMS, as I'm very picky and have never found a custom ROM on any previous device of mine that didn't have a few bugs or hiccups.
For honeycomb, Senseless 4.0 is fast as hell. Chaos's AOKP ICS rom is even faster, but its in its early stages ATM, so be prepared for bugs. If your willing to deal with that, its a great rom!
Honestly, I don't like Gb to be used in the Flyer (I don't like to see my tablet like a "Monster Phone"). Hc custom rom like Leedroid and Senseless are fast, but not so smooth like Chaos's rom. If the Flyer is Your primary device I think Hc must be the solution, otherwise You can contribute to Ics development and debugging
(I must dust off my bad English... )
mcord11758 said:
I would disagree that honeycomb is a mess but yes that opinion has been started by others. Performance appears to be a matter of opinion round these parts. If you really don't like honeycomb it is unlikely that any of the roms will make you happy
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+1 to all this. It works fine for me, and I'm happy with it. I'll upgrade to ICS if we get a full working release but if we don't I won't cry. Try them all it's safe, and decide which one works best for you.
thewadegeek said:
+1 to all this. It works fine for me, and I'm happy with it. I'll upgrade to ICS if we get a full working release but if we don't I won't cry. Try them all it's safe, and decide which one works best for you.
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mcord11758 said:
I would disagree that honeycomb is a mess but yes that opinion has been started by others. Performance appears to be a matter of opinion round these parts. If you really don't like honeycomb it is unlikely that any of the roms will make you happy
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+1 to both, the HC ROMS work great as long as they are modified correctly, for example MY ROM works with a few init.d Scripts and a couple of RAM scripts and as far as i can tell it runs like a dream, at least not many bugs have been brought to my attention.
My personal opinion of GB ist that it makes the TAB look like a GIANT PHONE, and that just annoys me because it is not a giant phone its a TABLET
Anyway RANT OVER and POINT MADE
I can honestly say I'm done with gingerbread on my flyer now. It ran pretty solid but I hated the big phone feel. Using the Sense launcher and apps helped, but it didn't help the gingerbread appearance of the google apps like youtube, gmail, google search, gvoice, Gtalk, etc.
Being on stock honeycomb isn't terrible depending on what you use it for, but it is noticeably slower than gingerbread. And if you want to play graphic intensive games like shadowgun, modern combat, etc forget it on stock honeycomb. They'll run, and I guess they are technically playable but they lag and hit frame rate slowdowns constantly.
But as ioiwillioi said, honeycomb can be pretty solid with the right amount of tweaking and he's done just that. His roms are every bit as quick if not quicker than the gingerbread roms we have. Overall honeycomb is the better OS for the tablet, it just has the tablet feel. You feel more like your running an android powered computer, not a gigantic phone. Gingerbread and earlier versions of android were never meant to run on tablets.
Why I like the Gingerbread interface
Why I like the Gingerbread interface
I like the original HTC Sense interface
I like the additional connectivity of this device as a desk speakerphone via Google Voice (no phone plan needed!)
The device hardware was built for Gingerbread, not Honeycomb.
Honeycomb didn't bring any significant new usefulness to the device.
Unlike the upgrade from Eclair to Froyo, this upgrade didn't open the door for flash support or any other key technology breakthrough (for most people).
I'd compare it to an upgrade from Windows XP to Vista, or Windows 98 to ME. Most people will prefer the former option.

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