The flyer is great little tab with a razor tight res screen and plenty fast enough single core CPU.
But its also semi orphaned since its too old for HTC to be expected to devote resources to an ICS upgrade.
So its kind of weird where all the ROM Development has switched to Android 3.0 which the consensus says runs so unsatisfactorilly on a Flyer that devs have released downgrades back to Android 2.3.x
What a mess. Do the custom 3.0 ROMs fix the probs? If so why all the down grades.
Apologies if this was dealt with somewhere but I searched, a link to same much appreciated
I would disagree that honeycomb is a mess but yes that opinion has been started by others. Performance appears to be a matter of opinion round these parts. If you really don't like honeycomb it is unlikely that any of the roms will make you happy
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For me i like HC. Its performance was always good on mine Flyer. I used Leedroid 4.3 ROM. Pen full suport. nice Sense 3.0. Tablet look, a lot more nice widget suported. However, bluetooth gsm calls r not suported. I am using flyer as phone as well so this was an isue for me. Not for ppl with wifi flers thow.
So atm downgraded on GB. BT calls works great. Pen ofc only suported in note. Look is more as a phone and sense isnt as nice as in HC. Less apps suported. Performance might be slightlly better but nothing of worth puting as pro or contra.
ATM w8ing on and keeping x fingers for ICS developers to solve all the starting isues.
I never bothered with HoneyComb. I saw that there was less app support in HC (for example no HBO Go, and no MaxGo) and I decided to at least wait until app support appeared (thus far it has not).
I probably won't bother with custom ROMS, as I'm very picky and have never found a custom ROM on any previous device of mine that didn't have a few bugs or hiccups.
For honeycomb, Senseless 4.0 is fast as hell. Chaos's AOKP ICS rom is even faster, but its in its early stages ATM, so be prepared for bugs. If your willing to deal with that, its a great rom!
Honestly, I don't like Gb to be used in the Flyer (I don't like to see my tablet like a "Monster Phone"). Hc custom rom like Leedroid and Senseless are fast, but not so smooth like Chaos's rom. If the Flyer is Your primary device I think Hc must be the solution, otherwise You can contribute to Ics development and debugging
(I must dust off my bad English... )
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I would disagree that honeycomb is a mess but yes that opinion has been started by others. Performance appears to be a matter of opinion round these parts. If you really don't like honeycomb it is unlikely that any of the roms will make you happy
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+1 to all this. It works fine for me, and I'm happy with it. I'll upgrade to ICS if we get a full working release but if we don't I won't cry. Try them all it's safe, and decide which one works best for you.
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+1 to all this. It works fine for me, and I'm happy with it. I'll upgrade to ICS if we get a full working release but if we don't I won't cry. Try them all it's safe, and decide which one works best for you.
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I would disagree that honeycomb is a mess but yes that opinion has been started by others. Performance appears to be a matter of opinion round these parts. If you really don't like honeycomb it is unlikely that any of the roms will make you happy
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+1 to both, the HC ROMS work great as long as they are modified correctly, for example MY ROM works with a few init.d Scripts and a couple of RAM scripts and as far as i can tell it runs like a dream, at least not many bugs have been brought to my attention.
My personal opinion of GB ist that it makes the TAB look like a GIANT PHONE, and that just annoys me because it is not a giant phone its a TABLET
Anyway RANT OVER and POINT MADE
I can honestly say I'm done with gingerbread on my flyer now. It ran pretty solid but I hated the big phone feel. Using the Sense launcher and apps helped, but it didn't help the gingerbread appearance of the google apps like youtube, gmail, google search, gvoice, Gtalk, etc.
Being on stock honeycomb isn't terrible depending on what you use it for, but it is noticeably slower than gingerbread. And if you want to play graphic intensive games like shadowgun, modern combat, etc forget it on stock honeycomb. They'll run, and I guess they are technically playable but they lag and hit frame rate slowdowns constantly.
But as ioiwillioi said, honeycomb can be pretty solid with the right amount of tweaking and he's done just that. His roms are every bit as quick if not quicker than the gingerbread roms we have. Overall honeycomb is the better OS for the tablet, it just has the tablet feel. You feel more like your running an android powered computer, not a gigantic phone. Gingerbread and earlier versions of android were never meant to run on tablets.
Why I like the Gingerbread interface
Why I like the Gingerbread interface
I like the original HTC Sense interface
I like the additional connectivity of this device as a desk speakerphone via Google Voice (no phone plan needed!)
The device hardware was built for Gingerbread, not Honeycomb.
Honeycomb didn't bring any significant new usefulness to the device.
Unlike the upgrade from Eclair to Froyo, this upgrade didn't open the door for flash support or any other key technology breakthrough (for most people).
I'd compare it to an upgrade from Windows XP to Vista, or Windows 98 to ME. Most people will prefer the former option.
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Just flashed Herodroid .3
Gotta say, good speed, seems nice. But what is there that 2.1 offers that 1.5 doesn't?
Besides the market, and a few icons here and there, are there any significant changes in 2.1? There is maps as well, correct? edit - excuse me, there is also the pinch to zoom out on the home screen to view all windows (which i find a little pointless, as I barely need 3 home screens to fill what I need. it is almost more hassle to have to use two hands to pinch out and view the screens than it is to just slide to the desired screen. sort of like polishing the worlds most perfect diamond? its fine, and imo was kind of a lame feature to introduce that perhaps they added to compensate for everything else 2.1 could have had in it? maybe im being too harsh, this is also a very long parentheses section.. just my 2 cents)
Maybe I have my panties in a bunch because I came from Mrbang's 1.5 super performance ROM and everything ran smooth as silk. My camera also doesn't make a freaky sound when I take pictures on 1.5 ROMS.
One of my biggest pet peaves right now is how Gameboid runs on 2.1 rom! Its just awful! So laggy!
Is this the roms fault or Gameboid?
I want my pokemon to run smoother than a ****ing GBA!
I just don't think jumping over to 2.1 is worth it for me just yet, I'm getting along just fine with 1.5
Plus, Manup456's theme looks ridiculously good.
First, all 2.1 roms are NOT offical ones, if they have problems I think you can either accept it or go away, instead of complaining about existing ones. It's you who's going to choose your rom, not others.
Your another question, benifits of 2.1. It's quite clear.
Google maps' lastest version and goggle ONLY run on 2.1 and new gmail/contact apps come with it. New Market, new HTC widgets. Compare them with your Gameboid, which one is more important.
Oh, and I'm quite sure many developers are working on 2.1 now, I think Gameboid will soon have a better performance.
(Why not try a psp as universal game machine? it run almost all previous game (including playstation1/Gameboy/FamilyComputer and so on..)according to me. Additionally Games drain your battery quite fast.)
I use the iPod Touch for gaming and music.
It's served me pretty well; games are often MUCH cheaper than the DS/PSP versions yet pack the same amounts of content; battery life is awesome and if I ever need the web on it I can simply wireless tether.
Lpts of BT profiles... file transfer... SPP... yummy...
For me, the biggest advantage of 2.1 is the improved browser. I find it much quicker than the 1.5 browser.
I'm back on 1.5 for now though, until the performance issues in 2.1 are fixed. We run on a very early kernel for 2.1, which isn't fully optimized yet. The official release should include a much faster kernel.
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First, all 2.1 roms are NOT offical ones, if they have problems I think you can either accept it or go away, instead of complaining about existing ones. It's you who's going to choose your rom, not others.
Your another question, benifits of 2.1. It's quite clear.
Google maps' lastest version and goggle ONLY run on 2.1 and new gmail/contact apps come with it. New Market, new HTC widgets. Compare them with your Gameboid, which one is more important.
Oh, and I'm quite sure many developers are working on 2.1 now, I think Gameboid will soon have a better performance.
(Why not try a psp as universal game machine? it run almost all previous game (including playstation1/Gameboy/FamilyComputer and so on..)according to me. Additionally Games drain your battery quite fast.)
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Whoa no way! THEY ARENT OFFICIAL!? I know lol..
2.1 has a few nifty things, but I think I'm going to wait for the official release, then use a ROM based off of that! I'm looking forward to the new kernel as well.
For now, gameboid is more important to me Only because I haven't beat Sapphire yet haha. I have a psp, but the convenience of having my phone all the time though is unbeatable MrBangs ROM I believe is incomparable to any other ROM out right now in terms of speed.
Hey there i have a general question or a thought that came to me.
While using my tablet to check my email, searched the web play a quick game. never at any point did it look like or even feel that i was using a phone. I have a nexus one and love that too..... anyway. Question is if great devs like , Rothic, Roebeet, and Gojimi can mod O.S's and apps like office HD, and the kick ass launcher fitted for tablets, is Honeycomb, or even waiting for honeycomb for our tabs necessary?
Being that the "phone" versions of android are well developed, if modders and devs can make tablet specific apps pre Honeycomb why wait for Honeycomb? I remember reading that Homeycomb is a version 1 so it would be starting over again why not just stick with and maximize the 2.3.3 or froyo?
Just thinking out loud, but if Homeycomb is a version of Android that makes a tablet "look" like a tablet, with the ability to customize our tablets the way we want them, why not just develop or mod the HELL out of 2.3.3 or even froyo. Its supposed to be "optimized" for tablets but the apps that i use seems to not have an issue with the screen....I've seen great screenshots of peoples home screens and they look awesome... anyway sorry for long post...
Big up to the G tablet devs again.... thanks for making this tab the best bang for my bucks i have ever spent!!!
Is it Necessary? Probably not. As you said, we've got some pretty good toys right now.
However, you wouldn't be on this site if you weren't always seeking (like a bad habit), the latest and greatest... the newest 'eye-candy', etc.
One of the things that no OS/Launcher can completely fix is that many apps were developed with phones in mind, and they just don't scale or fir right on a tablet screen.
While HC won't just up and fix those problems, the increased exposure and focus on tablets will help convince developers to keep both platforms in mind when coding.
Now, let me get back to my latest CM RC7 with Tablet tweaks install while I wait for HC
Hey, I was wondering why anyone would use GB for the gTablet when HC is also available. I could understand if the tablet ran GB stock because then there would be driver support to consider but since neither is officially supported, why run a phone OS?
I tried both and personally went back to Gingerbread. Biggest reason was that my G-Harmony GB ROM appear quite a bit more responsive and stable than the 3 HC ROMs I tried. The HC UI is a lot nicer but sluggish and the sluggishness annoyed me.
I was wondering if it is because the 1GB is required for good performance in HC. Our beloved GTab only has 512MB
Here comes a curve ball
I have bounced around a lot of ROMs in the past several months. I really had good experiences on all of the GB and HC ROMs I used. But I am now back to Froyo (Calkulin/Clemsyn v5) and don't intend on switching ROMs again until the HC ports mature a bit more (read: hw acceleration).
The interface on HC and GB might be slicker and smoother than Froyo, but Launcher Pro fills a lot of that gap. And performance on Froyo (battery, video, app compatibility) just seems better. This is just a feeling, not from any real testing or side-by-side comparison.
Really, when you get into an app (at least the ones I use commonly - Netflix, Opera Mobile, YouTube, Spotify, Pulse), they look the same no matter what ROM you are on.
Just my $0.02.
Yah, HC has nice eye candy but i might go back to froyo for the performance too.
I tried HC and love the UI but when it came down to it, i didn't buy a tab to sacrafice the cam,(all be it lame), and HD video for eye candy. Hopefully these will be fixed one day soon.
What I don't understand is what is the point of using gingerbread at all anymore? It seems like you would either want a fully working ROM (Froyo) or the prettiest (HC). Gingerbread may have a working camera, but otherwise, can someone enlighten me on why to bother?
I currently run Flashback, but someone else is going to be taking it, and pending they want a camera, I don't understand why they would want Gingerbread over Froyo. Please enlighten!
'Prettiest' is a matter of taste. Just because GB is for phones and HC is for tablets, does not mean all tablet users prefer HC; nor does it necessarily mean that all HC ROMs ported for the gTab are better than all the GB ROMs.
It miht be a matter of habit.
Picture it. Ice Cream Sandwich comes out, and a Rom of it is developed for the Gtablet. You've been using HC for almost 8 months now, and are pretty used to the screens, the app drawer, the "add to home screen" interface, the settings, etc.
When you try Ice Cream Sandwich, it's "nice" but it's not what your used to. You've been using HC for so long that Ice Cream Sandwich just seems "off."
Do you stay on ICS, or switch back to HC becuase it's comfortable.
Before there was HC roms, people were using CM7, et. al. because they were the new fancy thing. They used it for so long that they are just used to it. They try HC, and miss the camera, or the settings, or the app drawer, or something else that makes GB "home."
For a lot of us, including me, we are stuck on Froyo. I tried HC, I liked the way it looked, but at times, the ui was just not what I'm used to. It had nothing to do with the camera, I never use it. It had little to do with hardware acceleration, becuase software encoding on videos works just as well. I went back ot Froyo because it felt better. I'm used to it, I actually missed it.
That's why people still use GB...it's what they are used to, simple as that.
I know the main leak wasn't, but I'm wondering if anyone has any recommendations on a Honeycomb ROM that's suitable for everyday use? This waiting game is getting really tiresome.
It depends on what you need to be working. All of the HC ROMs have issues with the camera in most apps other than the stock camera app and some issues with the mail widget not updating. Most other functions seem to be pretty solid and the interface looks a lot nicer. Since Google never released the source code for HC the 3rd party developers have no way to fix the bugs and we have to wait for HTC to drop another leak or final release.
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kkinder said:
I know the main leak wasn't, but I'm wondering if anyone has any recommendations on a Honeycomb ROM that's suitable for everyday use? This waiting game is getting really tiresome.
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The question is if you can live with the issues in the leak or not. They are not so big that you can't use it daily. I have it installed since the leak came out and happy with it. Never thought to go back...
For what it's worth....
It's just an operating system. It's like saying "I can't wait until I get Window 7 over Win XP". After the initial installation, and few minutes of "wow, that's cool" it's no big deal.
I had Honeycomb 3.1 on my GTablet and my girlfriend had an Motorola Xoom and it too had HC. IMHO the HTC Flyer is way better with Gingerbread than those with HC.
Just my opinion.
I don't think HC is going to give you any added functionality. If you use your tab for email, movies, web surfing, etc., then just stick to what you have.
Thanks all. Mostly I am looking at the tablet enabled apps, especially swype. But I don't know if I wanna put up with much broken, especially the camera which I actually do use. Thanks for your thoughts.
imp, swype is quite a hassle to use on tablets. Check out thumb keyboard. https://market.android.com/details?id=com.beansoft.keyboardplus&hl=en
I want to know if the pen functionality really impressive within all applications on honeycomb? Or is it just like another capasitive pen on other tablets because lack of pressure sensitivity? Can you feel the difference?
I know this question had been raised many times, just wanted to get/share a decent statistical view/review about Flyer-HC and Flyer-GB..
The Basic Qurstion Would Be:
Why HoneyComb ?
-Is it faster ?
-Is it more stable ?
-Does it have better application/game compatibility ? <-----Doubt this {Gameloft Stuff/Skyscape/Medical Apps}
-Does it look more eyecandy ? <-----Doubt this
Thanks for sharing your opinion
Speed difference is subjective
Personally I think honeycomb fits a tablet better. The ui is more suitable. If you are not willing to root I can see how some do not like the honeycomb bar. Honeycomb apps make better use of screen.
With LeeDroids tireless work, honeybar or honey hide, and LeeDroids tweaks apk, you get the best of all worlds.
jaguaralani said:
I know this question had been raised many times, just wanted to get/share a decent statistical view/review about Flyer-HC and Flyer-GB..
The Basic Qurstion Would Be:
Why HoneyComb ?
-Is it faster ?
-Is it more stable ?
-Does it have better application/game compatibility ? <-----Doubt this {Gameloft Stuff/Skyscape/Medical Apps}
-Does it look more eyecandy ? <-----Doubt this
Thanks for sharing your opinion
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To hell with all of that.
HC is closer to ICS.
And in all seriousness, way to have an unbias poll.
Compatibililty: Every single app that worked on my Flyer with Gingerbread works on my Flyer with Honeycomb. I have yet to find an app that Honecomb broke, and that includes games.
Speed: If anything, Honeycomb feels faster than Gingerbread, but the difference is minimal.
Eye Candy: there's not a huge differnce either way, though my Flyer with Honeycomb still feels fresh to me and feels very polished.
Stability: after the last Gingerbread security update, Sense would frequently crash on me. not so with honeycomb.
Expanded capabilities: The pen now works in all applications. Yeah!
Fixes: Arrow keys now map correctly on a bluetooth keyboard when the Flyer is propped up in landscape mode.
Why HoneyComb ?
-Is it faster...everything works and feels smoother to me
-Is it more stable...was never unstable and still isn't
-Does it have better application/game compatibility? never had had compatibility, still don't
-Does it look more eyecandy? yes, definitely...GB on the flyer made it look like a big ugly phone...HC is a heaps better user experience and makes more sense
I prefer Honeycomb, as it offers a better tablet experience than Gingerbread, which is a phone based interface.
Why HoneyComb ?
@jaguaralani maybe it would be better if you ask the reason they used HC instead of GB on Flyer or vise versa.
Main Reason : added pen functionality! SketchBook! lately start using it on Quill. awesome experience.
Application compatibility : HC - i can use Whatsapp Messenger, which is not possible on stock GB.
what about battery life comparism? i haven't notice on GB, but on Lee's HC ROM it stay around 5~6 hours with wifi + 3G and moderate usage.
It really boils down to GB is a phone OS, and HC is a Tab OS. Aside from app compatibility (which falls on app devs, not the OS itself) I vote HC hands down. For all functionality & looks.
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No comparison two different worlds.
Now I wish the walls could be torn down between Operating systems and treat them as apps running on a much more capable device so we could choose what we would like to run.
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I was running Honeycomb since the day the OTA came to the UK (so a few months now), but last weekend I decided I'd had enough and downgraded. Though it was a slightly harrowing experience, I'm very glad I did...
I very much dislike the updates that have been made to the Sense apps in honeycomb. Having text on each button rather than just the icon looks ugly on such a small screen and swallows precious real-estate. The browser is almost unusable in landscape mode because of this, and there's no option to hide the toolbar!
Lack of a real full-screen mode in Honeycomb really hurts the Flyer imo. 1024x600 is already quite a narrow aspect ratio and isn't particularly high-res. To reduce the vertical resolution by 32 pixels (I think that's the size of the shortcut bar), with no way of opting out is too annoying. It really badly affects games and video watching.
Though the frame-rate on the launcher is generally a bit better in Honeycomb, it reloaded a lot more often and would often pause for noticeable periods - more so than the launcher in Gingerbread. I also don't like how the Sense widgets have shrunk - the big full-screen widgets are one of the things I really like on the Flyer.
So all in all, playing games, browsing and watching videos are all worse for me on Honeycomb. Given these are the three things I do on the Flyer the most, I have to say it's Gingerbread for me... I miss some of the updated tablet apps and the improved performance (in some scenarios at least), but it doesn't outweigh all that's wrong with it either.
I really hope if/when ICS comes out, that they revert to the phone-style layout with hardware keys and a smaller, drag-down panel. It'd be nice if they could enable that interface with tablet apps, but I'd pick a big android phone over a tiny android tablet any day.
It really comes down to whether you like a tablet experience or a big phone. No offense to GB lovers but go play with the EVO 3D and then the Flyer running GB, similar feel.
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All I know is that I wish I never accepted the OTA Honeycomb update. My Flyer has been slow and buggy every since. Browser crashes a lot, flash hangs. Never used to happen on Gingerbread. Issues persist, even with custom ROMs. Can't even downgrade, due to newer HBOOT that is unsupported by revolutionary. I'm just hoping ICS clears things up.
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All I know is that I wish I never accepted the OTA Honeycomb update. My Flyer has been slow and buggy every since. Browser crashes a lot, flash hangs. Never used to happen on Gingerbread. Issues persist, even with custom ROMs. Can't even downgrade, due to newer HBOOT that is unsupported by revolutionary. I'm just hoping ICS clears things up.
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your issues are not common and to me would indicate an issue other than HC. and I believe if your Hnoot is supported by HTC Dev Unlock you should be able to roll back
FWIW, i rooted and installed the HC OTA on my View yesterday, adn i love it 10x more..to the poster who said GB makes it seem like a big ugly phone, you're so right. the screen is NOWHERE near as nice as my rezound, and it literally just seemed like a giant rezound..so i put HC on it, and damn, everything just looks so much cooler! i love the tablet UI much more.
for that LeeDroid tweaks, is that only on the flyer, or can i use that stuff on my View too?
Put HC on it last night and ended up playing with it for 3 hours after and I am paying for that now! Sooo tired.
Anyway, it is definitely a different experience then GB and makes it feel a lot different then my phone. Sense widgets are a little weird and the use of screen real estate for the launcher is questionable but I like it better right now. Need more time to play though.
The big question is will the wife like it. It is mainly her tablet and she hates change! I am expecting a lot of screaming to come out of her today of how much she hates it and I need to put GB back because she doesn't know how to do anything on HC. Will give you the follow-up report. She hasn't even seen it yet
Neither...
Both have their advantages and both have their disadvantages.
Overall, I think I prefer Honeycomb on my View. I am on stock. I like being able to use the pen more. I like the way the widgets work on the homescreens. The bottom bar mostly doesn't bother me, as I think more apps will build in support for dimming it. Since ther used to be a notification bar on top, I don't think the loss of screen real estate is that big of a deal.
Some issues I have had are that I seem to get more system force closes, but not enough to be bothersome. The stock browser crashes a lot, but I use Dolphin now, so no big deal. The keyboard is sometimes glitchy when editing text.
My other family members have elected to stay on GB because they like the capacitive buttons and don't care as much about being able to use the pen.
HC gives a more natural UI experience when used in landscape mode, with the bar at the bottom. Easier to reach, in a more natural way, in my opinion.
I've rooted GB to have phone function. Obviously GB for me since HC cannot have phone function.
Also, as previous HC user, I find HC not stable. Probably its stable now. But I'm not willing to take the risk and lose my phone function.
Phone has already been added by LeeDroid in his latest honeycomb Rom.
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