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I post this as I'm sure my sentiment is felt by many who read these boards. Having been a long time smartphone user starting way back with a Treo650, I have found these boards to be a great haven for resources, whether it be something as simple as an app to make me more productive, or full on redo of the OS. Being a quite satisfied Eris owner since November, I have enthusiastically watched these boards since day 1, looking for apps, tweaks and whatever else. I must say I have never witnessed such drama and disrespect towards the devs as has unfolded on this board. It stuns me how so many people, with limited skills, understanding and know how, have beat up and flamed these guys for all the hard work they have put into making this machine much more than what it was intended to be. These are regular folks, with jobs, families and lives outside of this forum that have put their heart and soul into modifying and tweaking this equipment, whether it be for personal satisfaction, honing skills or just plain "because they can". These are the people that move society. These guys deserve a certain level of respect. I installed the leak. I'm not complaining. It has bugs, sure, but I still have much richer experience with my phone and still have considerably less issues than many of the other products that are currently offered or I have even owned in the past. Haters, move on. Get your own hobby. If you don't like whats happening, or you did something to your phone you regret, don't blame the dev. You knew at the time you went into reboot, there may be no coming back. Shame on you for taking a risk without accepting the possible consequences. To all the devs, jcase, grdlock, ivanmmj, framework and all the others who have put their free time into this project, a heartfelt thanks for your time. It is very much appreciated. For the rest of you who can only issue blame without accepting personal responsibilty, I've got a Treo I'll donate to ya. But you'd probably screw that up too.
+1 I agree
Great post!! I agree 100%
Awesome post!
Right on!
I'm one of those people "with limited skills, understanding and know how", and thanks to the devs and these boards and the grown up users I have learned a lot, have had a blast with my last 3 phones, and can never express my gratitude so-
Ignore the ignoratti! And pat yourselves on the back, guys!
(P.S. I am an old woman who is not afraid to break her phone.)
Great Post.
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Man, I was thinking the same thing. I know people who tap their foot, waiting on XDA to cook up something or other, but show little gratitude for their awesome work. So....thank you XDA, where would we be without thee?
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Great post! Agree 100%
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i dont think i could had said it any better...
Peace
This is an excellent message. All of these developers deserve respect and appreciation. Peace to the root movement and those that enable it.
Excellent message.
Like anyone cares but I am a noob and if it werent for the devs and other experienced folks here and elsewhere, I wouldnt have ever known any of this customization was even possible. Much blood and sweat goes into that file we download without thinking from a messageboard thread. The faceless workers who we take for granted deserve much praise and respect. I know they certainly have mine.
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Hello everyone, I decided to start a little something called "Pauls ROM reviews" where I give you the low down on the hottest ROMs for the EVO 3D and give you some information about the developer/developing team and a little information and background about the people behind the ROMS. I figured this would be a fun way to get to know our developers more personally and to learn more about their work, and some of their future plans. Too often I feel we take them for granted so I thought giving you all some more information about the developers we can build more personal relationships so we can all understand one another better. I feel this will help build a stronger community and set us apart from some of the other forums on XDA.
This is very much an "average joe" review and is in no way claiming to be or attempting to be editorial quality material, structure, or content. This is meant to be a brief "feel" for what the ROM is about and what I think are the benefits of it, so please be gentle.
Today we are going to dive into viperROM, arguably one of the most popular ROMS. The viperROM thread is hot right now, a lot of people are excited about this ROM and its getting a lot of downloads and attention. The developers of this ROM are really on top of their game, are online often answering questions and being really helpful when people have problems. I feel they have a great dedication to their fan base and really care about their input and concerns, so I figured this would be a great place to start for a first ROM. Plus this is one of my favorite ROMs right now, so I really wanted to help spread the word out there for those of you still on the fence about rooting or maybe trying this ROM. I guarantee you: you want to try it! This is really great stuff guys.
First I would like to drive right into the ROM and go over some of its features with you. To set the record straight this will not be an insanely lengthy, long editorial over every single feature of the ROM. I will only be discussing some of the things I find most relevant and that other people will find relevant. Any questions about other features that aren't mentioned here should be directed to the viperROM thread in the Android Development section of the EVO 3D forums.
First and foremost I find the battery life to be good. Considering the screen on this phone I didn't expect it to be amazing, but I can typically make it about 8-10 hours with a lot of usage throughout the day at work texting and internet browing a lot of the day with the phone awake most of the time. I consider this pretty good. If you aren't an extremely heavy user it wouldn't surprise me if you could squeeze a good 15 hours or more out of this ROM if you have decent reception where you are at.
One of the great things about this ROM is the OC script that is built into the ROM. I really like this, because I feel that it is one less app running in the background consuming space and battery, and I think overall a script like this is probably more efficient than an application governing the CPU. It is quite simple to run and allows the governor of your sleep state and awake state, as well as all the clock speeds your particular kernel allows.
Hotspot is unlocked as well, ads are blocked, there are memory tweaks in the ROM, and a lot of bloatware we don't use has also been removed. Luckily for those who do want some of these apps, viper was courteous enough to leave the zip files on the SD card to install at your leisure. The four in one boot option is something that is really nice as well. There are other great additions to the ROM; I would recommend reading about them over in the development thread as these things are what are most important to me. One other thing, this ROM has one hell of a theme. It really looks great and is quite appealing to the eyes. Many people have a lot of positive feedback on it, so if you are an eye candy lover this should be a treat for you. Now I want to tell you about the best part of this ROM..
This is the true icing on the cake. Not only is this ROM feature rich and does not sacrifice any HTC Sense features for those of you who love Sense ROMS, but it runs FASTER than any other Sense ROM I have had the pleasure of running in the development section. For me, this runs faster than even the stripped Sense ROMs. That really says something to me; these guys did a fantastic job of optimizing here. They not only provided a feature rich package for us, but it runs so damn fast. I am running it at the default 1188MHz without a stutter or a hiccup in speeds. I highly recommend Opera Browser on this ROM as well, it is butter smooth, scrolling up and down pages is absolutely flawless and lag free. This is more than I could say for the stock ROM. I suspect a lot of this might be due to the GPU acceleration which was added in RC 1.3. For those of you who have tried this ROM before but might be using something else, you need to flash ViperROM RC 1.3. You won't be disappointed!
The main point about this ROM that I'd like to get out to you all is that if you want a ROM that doesn’t sacrifice HTC Sense and has stellar performance this is the one for you. There are a lot of options out there right now and a lot of you are overwhelmed and don't know where to start. This is where you should start; I feel this is the bar for Sense ROMs right now. Start with viperROM and then compare other ROMs; I don't think you'll regret it.
Go here to check out a full list of features. Read the first couple posts: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1192628
Next it's time to meet -viperboy- and Vinchenzop, they are working on this ROM together and are a formidable team. I am going to ask them a bunch of questions. We will get to know these two developers a bit better, learn more about the ROM, their future plans for ViperROM and more. Let’s begin!
-viperboy- interview:
1. Tell us a bit about you, some of your hobbies and interests, what you like doing in your free time or whatever else you'd like your fans to know.
"Well, Android is my biggest hobby without a doubt. I do love cars as well, my daily driver is an 02 Nissan Maxima 6MT with about 5k in motor work (10k+ into the car total), quite the sleeper! haha I have a wonderful circle of friends that I know I can always count on and a wonderful girlfriend who puts up with all my Android nonsense lol
I used to work for Verizon Wireless as an In-Store Technician. I was very good at what I did, getting calls from District Managers 150+ miles away asking me how to solve major customer issues, leading conference calls to entire districts to fill them in on new technology and information we should know about (pulled many an article to share from Droid-Life and EngadgetMobile!), and, most importantly, making my customers happy. I am a people-pleaser and I did everything I could to make a customer happy, including honoring warrantys on rooted phones
I loved my job but I had to leave my full-time job at Verizon Wireless to work part-time at Best Buy so I could go back to school. I am a Multi-Channel Sales Associate (aka "Store *****" - the person you talk to on the phone when you call and ask me annoying questions like "Do you have one of them iPod 2 tablet things??") Everyone at works knows I'm nuts about phones and Android and I used to work in Best Buy Mobile and brought alot of my talent over there. I pretty much got everyone on the Android train and taught people how to mod their own phones! Quite a beautiful thing!
I currently attend Penn State University persuing a degree in Information Science and Technology. One day, I would love to work for HTC or one of the other OEMs with my dream job being working for Google in their Android division!"
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2. How long have you been developing on the Android platform?
"I have been deving for Android for less than 6 months but I've learned so much, it's insane! Right now, my big projects are viperROM and viperMOD Voltage Control. viperROM is my first ROM and I've created and I'm very proud to put my name on it. viperMOD Voltage Control has been about 4 months in the making, starting out as a fairly simple shell script and now the app is almost complete! I found that I really enjoy shell scripting the deeper I got into viperMOD and I would consider that my "specialty"."
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3. How do you feel about the future of the EVO 3D? Do you feel there are great things to come and still more potential to be unlocked in this phone?
"I think there is a great future for the EVO 3D! This phone has some of the best specs out there right now and the hardware is incredibly powerful, so there are many things going its way. There are a huge amount of ROMs out not even a week since we had S-OFF which I think really says how much interest there is in this phone. I would say that within the next month you will see some very amazing things starting to happen to this phone, so yes, plenty of potential still left in this phone (overclocking and tweaking the GPU, powerful custom kernels, etc)"
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4. What about the EVO 3D inspired you to know you wanted to develop for it? Is the EVO 3D your primary phone? If not what is?
"Truthfully, the hardware was the main draw for me. I didn't care much about the 3D part of the phone, although it is a cool "Look what my phone can do!" feature. I really see some tremendous potential in the hardware (And software too). Yes, the EVO 3D is my primary phone. I used to have an HTC EVO 4G before this and almost every Verizon Android phone when I worked for them - D1, DInc, DX (most recent phone when I left). My Dad, stepsister, stepmom, brother, and girlfriend all have Android's (EVO 3D, HTC Hero, Samsung Epic, HTC EVO Shift, and Samsung Captivate, respectively) but my mom and stepdad are too technically challened to want an Android lol"
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5. What made you choose to develop on the Android platform? Have you ever considered WebOS or iOS? What are your feelings about these platforms?
"I have had alot of phones in my day, even when I was in grade school and high school I would call Sprint and play the retention game and get new phones literally every few months. My Dad never cared as long as hit bill wasn't messed up lol I started over on SprintUsers.com working with BitPim to mod the RAZR2 and posting guides on how to work with it at the age of about 13/14. Once I found how much fun it was to modify phones, that was it! I moved away from dumbphones and started to get into smartphones. I had phones WinMo phones like the Moto Q, HTC Mogul, and HTC Touch. That was my platform of choice until I go into Blackberry. I really liked how solid they were and I wasn't a power user like I am now, so I liked it. The Blackberry 8900 was one of my favorite phones, to be honest. Looked great and was just fun to use! I would say the D1 was and always will be my favorite, as it was my entry into Android, then the HTC EVO 4G, and then the EVo 3D (slowly moving up my list!)
A little more on topic to the question you asked - I really liked the customization that you get with an Android phone. I liked that it was easy to hack and easy to make it feel like it was meant for you. I love that there is a ton of support out there for Android, XDA really is a wonderful site (minus the douchebaggery that can go on sometimes) I bought the original iphone back when it came out (had to drive to philly to get it since that was the closest apple store at the time and ATT wouldn't sell me an unlocked one!) and beta tested the original jailbreak and unlock for it. I managed to get it working on T-Mobile's prepaid sidekick plan and used it for a while. It was a cool phone at the time, but it still felt like it was lacking something. I also had the Pre for about 2 weeks and I just did not like it. No customization and I didn't think it had a good future (seems like I might have been right lol)
I feel like webOS will continue to be pushed by HP for a while, but I don't see it suceeding as a mobile platform and I see that slowly coming to and end. As for iOS, it does a great job with having almost identical SW between the devices (something android undeniably still lacks at the moment) and when jailbroken, I don't mind using it for a few days, but then I get bored but it will be taken over by Android and we are seeing that happen now. Android is only going to continue taking an even bigger lead."
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6. Are you surprised by the success of viperROM?
"To be honest, yes I am. I built the ROM as a fun project for me to see how I could do and I thought I might get a small following of people from the EVO 4G that liked viperMOD Voltage Control to use my ROM. I had NO idea that it was going to hit it off like this! It was, to my knowledge, the first booting and working EVO 3D ROM on S-OFF day. Just for a few stats, scott951 @miuimods.net gratiously offered to host our ROM but we had no idea what we were in for. In less than a week, we blew through over 7TB of data, so with the ROM being ~350mb, if my math is correct, that's almost 21,000 total downloads of RC1, RC1.1, and RC1.2. It was so much that scott951's host suspended the account, forcing us to look elsewhere for a host. We settled on dev-host.org and multiupload for mirror (after a failed attempt with wupload) and since then, we've had over 2500 downloads of RC1.3 in less than a 24hr period. I would say that's pretty good.
Also as it stand, we have the most posts and views of any ROM thread in EVO 3D dev "
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7. What are some of your future plans with the EVO 3D or the Android platform in general?
"I would like to get more into kernel development. I find it interesting and there is alot of technical information to learn which is fun for me to learn. Plus, that means that I can have a device running everything I made and I know everything can work together in perfect harmony. I'd also like to play with the GPU a little bit more and see how far it can be pushed.
The next big thing I'm going to need to get ready for is the launch of viperMOD Voltage Control and supporting as many devices as possible. I want to get this app to work on any device with a compatible kernel!"
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8. What kinds of things can we look forward to in future releases of viperROM? Are there any surprises we will want to keep our eyes open for?
"Well, I can't tell you everything I know but RC2 will be very nice. I am already working on it and I hope to make it the fastest Sense ROM on the EVO 3D with all the optimizations that I have planned. More details when the time approaches "
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9. What the hell is this "3VO" I keep hearing about?!
"Seriously, WTF is a 3VO?!?"
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10. What do you feel sets viperROM apart from all the other ROMs for the EVO 3D?
"What sets viperROM apart is the OC daemon that I implemented and build a script to work with it, battery life that is better than any other ROM while maintaining excellent performance, and lastly but most important is unparalleled user support. I am in my thread as often as possible to answer questions and support my work. If it takes more than an hour or so for a response from me, that is out of the ordinary. I also respond to every PM and email that I get. I want my users to have the same great experience I do when I use my ROM and I want to make sure they enjoy it, that is very important to me. "
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11. How did you and Vinchenzop team up?
"That is a funny story, but the short and sweet version is we had a chat one time via PM about how we noticed that a certain dev or devs weren't really doing their own work and were claiming other peoples work as theirs. We both found it repulsive and ridiculous and decided that we would make a good team together and we really do. I do almost all of the ROM work and he does almost all of the theme work and that really helps me out because it gives me more time to work on my stuff. He always gets things done quickly and fixes things for me almost right away if there is anything that isn't correct the first time around. I'm happy to have him as part of viperROM "
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Vinchenzop interview:
1. Tell us a bit about you, some of your hobbies and interests, what you like doing in your free time or whatever else you'd like your fans to know.
"Besides android, I love to spend alot of time with my family. I play alot of guitar around the house, as music has always been a huge part of my life."
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2. How long have you been developing on the Android platform?
"Truthfully, not very long. Maybe since March or April of this year. I had never even used Linux until I wanted to jump into Android development."
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3. How do you feel about the future of the EVO 3D? Do you feel there are great things to come and still more potential to be unlocked in this phone?
"Absolutely! This phone is a borderline mini-computer I know, that term has been used for years to describe "smart-phones", but this is the first time that I feel that it really applies to a phone correctly. With the obvious talent in the dev-pool on the Evo 3D, I think many great things are in the future of this phone."
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4. What about the EVO 3D inspired you to know you wanted to develop for it? Is the EVO 3D your primary phone? If not what is?
"Yes, the Evo 3D is my primary phone. The thing that inspired me to develop for it was that I used to do dev work on the Evo 4G, and I wanted to translate my ideas and efforts to help in the Evo 3D community as much as I did for the 4G."
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5. What made you choose to develop on the Android platform? Have you ever considered WebOS or iOS? What are your feelings about these platforms?
"I choose the Android scene because that was what was on my Evo 4G. I saw that phone when it first came out, and knew I'd wanted it. Once I had it, I knew I wanted to personalize it, and well, you know the rest.
As far as WebOS and IOS...It's been a few years since I've used a phone that had any windows-based software on it (I think it was when the Moto Q came out), so I'm not familiar with the specifics on that side of the fence. IOS? Well, as stated earlier, I love music, and in my personal opinion, IPods have that market covered, at least in my house."
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6. Are you surprised by the success of ViperROM?
"Not entirely. When you have as much dedication and passion put into something that I, and more specifically, Viper have put into this ROM, its bound to have fans support."
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7. What are some of your future plans with the EVO 3D or the Android platform in general?
"Just keeping up with whatever projects Team Viper (derek and I) feel needed to be put out into the community to fill any niche that needs attention. More specifically, fulfilling requests of our seemingly, very large ROM-followers."
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8. What kinds of things can we look forward to in future releases of ViperROM? Are there any surprises we will want to keep our eyes open for?
"Top Secret! No, not really...with us, we're more worried about the overall base of the ROM, which from feedback from the users, we've succeeded thus far. So currently, future plans consist of aesthetic changes/options. Applying user feedback requests, and just trying to make everyone experience their phone the way they should...their way."
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9. What the hell is this "3VO" I keep hearing about?!
"I personally, don't like the whole "3VO" thing, I let the phone and its capacities speak for itself. Nicknames only work throughout this community, and don't apply to real-world encounters, so to me its still an "Evo 3D"
Thanks for your time guys im sure people will enjoy reading this!
Thanks to anyone that has made suggestions, donations, given feedback, positive or negative, because those are the things that keep not only viperROM, but this entire, wonderful developing community, going strong.
~Vinchenzo Pisegna"
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great interview, i like reading about the devs that make my dreams come true
Thanks for the interview, PaulB007 and great work putting it together! I realized I talk too much after reading this
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Thanks for the interview, PaulB007 and great work putting it together! I realized I talk too much after reading this
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I realized afterwords that I forgot to add in the question about how you and your partner started working on the ROM together, you could elaborate on that here too if you'd like and I can add it to the OP.
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I realized afterwords that I forgot to add in the question about how you and your partner started working on the ROM together, you could elaborate on that here too if you'd like and I can add it to the OP.
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You can just throw in what I sent you if you'd like, that's fine with me.
I think It's a good idea..I enjoyed reading about the devs and found it interesting that two average guys were able to put together such a complete Rom without tons of experience..must be smart guys..good job op..hopefully some other devs will participate..and i know more will be coming around sooner or later..hint myn..
Great Stuff and great Idea. Beings that I just rooted my first Android Phone Ever this will help me get a look at some of the Roms out there and get some user feedback.
Viper Rom Sounds great!!
Updated OP with additional interview question in the -viperboy- interview section for those who missed it.
This is one of the best threads out. Very good idea. I enjoyed reading this. Thanks. Great thread.
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Yeah I too just rooted my first android phone, and hearing about all this makes me want to learn more
Thanks for the interview
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Awesome worked. Can't wait to see what u do for the other ROMs and devs
Nice idea man, damn a lot to read lol, but is good specially for new people to know their developers, you should contact zone23, Ava and myns since they been in the of evo as well and they work has been recognized as well
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Thanks paulb, either I'm like I am in real life...soft spoken, and only speak when something is worth saying, or it just appears that way based on the 8 part novel that Derek wrote when responding to his interview questions...trying to get on the best seller's list viper?
Thanks for the positive feedback fellas, I appreciate it. If I get enough comments and views I will continue to do this in the future.
Thanks for this thread and you should definitely keep do this
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Thanks paulb, either I'm like I am in real life...soft spoken, and only speak when something is worth saying, or it just appears that way based on the 8 part novel that Derek wrote when responding to his interview questions...trying to get on the best seller's list viper?
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LMAO, hey, I thought he was going to edit some of it so I gave him my whole autobiography lol
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LMAO, hey, I thought he was going to edit some of it so I gave him my whole autobiography lol
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Haha nah, I didn't want to edit it, I figured they'd appreciate seeing your personality and not mine editing yours.
Nice interview. Cool to get to know a little bit of what makes devs like Viperboy and Vinchenzop tick.
Wow, what a pleasant read. There should be more posts like this one.
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Paul, this is one of the greatest idea's here and really enjoyed reading this. I hope you continue to do it.
I was glad to see team Viper up first as there ROM is not only sweet but they seem like great people as well.
For anyone who hasn't tried their Rom yet, what are you waiting for! Also, there ROM thread is a joy to be a part of. It is like a family in there.
so i wanted to shout out a thanks to all the devs.
they have been asked for ETAs, and i wanted to just thank them for their work they have done on the mopho so far and i look forward to what magic tricks they have in the future.
I think they are amazing for the work they do. I would be lost without them, and they are amazing people to take a product, and tweak it to make it an even better product. I truly thank yall everytime i pick up my phone.
I think everyone needs to take a look at how many android phones are out there now and how many users the devs are supporting. its truly amazing when you look at the numbers. Android Rocks!
Thanks again devs!
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so i wanted to shout out a thanks to all the devs.
they have been asked for ETAs, and i wanted to just thank them for their work they have done on the mopho so far and i look forward to what magic tricks they have in the future.
I think they are amazing for the work they do. I would be lost without them, and they are amazing people to take a product, and tweak it to make it an even better product. I truly thank yall everytime i pick up my phone.
I think everyone needs to take a look at how many android phones are out there now and how many users the devs are supporting. its truly amazing when you look at the numbers. Android Rocks!
Thanks again devs!
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Do I sense some sarcasm?
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Do I sense some sarcasm?
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I sense no sarcasm and I'm the king of it this seems like a genuine thanks
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Yep. And I will second this! THANKS!
Being my first Android phone, and not a junkie, I am looking forward to seeing what can be done with this thing and maybe even digging in a little myself as I check out what our devs do!
I will second that as well.
I just came over to the Photon from an HTC Hero. I picked up the Hero on the first day it came out and would have jumped ship long ago if it had not been for the dedicated hackers who made this phone so great.
My Hero lasted two years because developers spent their time pulling apart and putting together new ROMs. If the vendors supported their products a tenth as well as their developer base does, just imagine the kind of phones we would have. Support your developers with a donation. They deserve it.
+1 hero user here too! My Hero is still in service, handed it down to my mother.
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I will second that as well.
I just came over to the Photon from an HTC Hero. I picked up the Hero on the first day it came out and would have jumped ship long ago if it had not been for the dedicated hackers who made this phone so great.
My Hero lasted two years because developers spent their time pulling apart and putting together new ROMs. If the vendors supported their products a tenth as well as their developer base does, just imagine the kind of phones we would have. Support your developers with a donation. They deserve it.
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Who is the culprit here? Someone must have said something. Man up and apologize to him immediately. He's one of the best themers/ modders on this site and it will be so sad without him. Please everyone, show your support for this great guy who has been making mods for us since day one. Show some damn appreciation and thank him. Send a donation if you can.
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im not sure what his deal is? i haven't seen anybody post anything but thanks to him for his work. the last thing this community needs is to loose talented devs. maybe this has something to do with lack of donations perhaps?
Who is Mike D??
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Who is Mike D??
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check the theme section.
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Who is Mike D??
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Only one of the best modders this site had. Aside from good ole andybones too of course. It's a sad shame that Mike won't be modding for us. A damn shame
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my theory is that it's not an individual or a few but the community. everyone was ranting and raving and showing impatience for his upcoming themes. when the time came to release he was underwhelmed from the thanks/donations afterwards. I could be wrong but that's my guess
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my theory is that it's not an individual or a few but the community. everyone was ranting and raving and showing impatience for his upcoming themes. when the time came to release he was underwhelmed from the thanks/donations afterwards. I could be wrong but that's my guess
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id agree with this but there's nothing wrong about people being anxious to get his new theme either.
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id agree with this but there's nothing wrong about people being anxious to get his new theme either.
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I agree but it must have been the end results. just hope it's not about appreciation. he already started to purge files and links. that's a possible bad sign to encourage others to look elsewhere. sure hope not because the rez is a great device
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I agree but it must have been the end results. just hope it's not about appreciation. he already started to purge files and links. that's a possible bad sign to encourage others to look elsewhere. sure hope not because the rez is a great device
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as ive said we didn't need to loose any devs. xda is still pretty busy for the rezound. look at rootzwiki, no one posts there.
Well that sucks.
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I think he specifically said in his mods thread that it had nothing to do with lack of thanks/appreciation.
Mike D's themes were legit. Seeing what he was able to do has pushed me into learning how to theme roms
IM sure he will be back one day...
He is just working more hours... If he got more donations for his work I am sure he could cut back on his hours.
But no one ever donates to the guy!
scrosler said:
IM sure he will be back one day...
He is just working more hours... If he got more donations for his work I am sure he could cut back on his hours.
But no one ever donates to the guy!
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Well donations are optional plus times are tough. I know ive thanked the guy plenty. Hope he comes back one day.
perhaps I'll start doing small things in his place. I'm not good enough to do total themes but I can certainly decompile/recompile,edit png colors and switch font color hex codes in the xmls
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Well donations are optional plus times are tough. I know ive thanked the guy plenty. Hope he comes back one day.
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Sure, they are optional, but people start getting demanding and the money helps put up with the idiots. I think the enjoyment starts to go away.
I always donate to those whose work I consistently use. But then I also buy apps.
There's a reason why devs want to dev for iphone even though there are more android phones out there. Android users tend to be cheapskates who would rather steal an app than pay for it.
cant blame the community . this one is the same as others. i know someone who was working on bamf rezound in the beginning said hed stop cause of the "community" and he did . we're not THAT bad, but quitting cause of that is kinda lame- though i do understand in away .
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Sure, they are optional, but people start getting demanding and the money helps put up with the idiots. I think the enjoyment starts to go away.
I always donate to those whose work I consistently use.
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Yes you do, thank you!
And yes the second part of that statement tends to be true. Users forget that Dev's are people with real lives and real responsibilities and that Android Dev'ing, for the most, of us is just a hobby like collecting Stamps or baseball cards. They seem to think that because we make cool things we are some giant company with the resources of many when in fact we are only one person trying to bring some fun to your device. But anyways.. You know that already and I am grateful for your support!
I don't know about the iPhone thing though. I couldn't deal with it if I had to. I love Android. Never really liked Apple. Hahaha
-Scott
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Yes you do, thank you!
And yes the second part of that statement tends to be true. Users forget that Dev's are people with real lives and real responsibilities and that Android Dev'ing, for the most, of us is just a hobby like collecting Stamps or baseball cards. They seem to think that because we make cool things we are some giant company with the resources of many when in fact we are only one person trying to bring some fun to your device. But anyways.. You know that already and I am grateful for your support!
I don't know about the iPhone thing though. I couldn't deal with it if I had to. I love Android. Never really liked Apple. Hahaha
-Scott
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honestly, I would still be on wp7 if verizon had one with lte and a bigger screen. Really enjoyed my hd7. Spent more time using my phone. Tinkering with it is fun, but didn't miss it jumping from winmo to wp7. Used to build my own roms back then, but haven't had the time to really dive into what makes android tick.
Ok I'll fess up. It was silverxbv2 who did it.
Hahaha
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I've seen these in other parts of the community...
Given the recent events, I believe the creed going forward should be "show some love".
While I don't feel it's limited to just devs, as members make XDA go in circles also, I do think the devs here need to know they're loved.
That said, I'd like to start by saying thanks to JoelZ, DMeadows, Scott, Con and a non-dev, dev, Marine.
I'm sure I'm forgetting someone but these are the guys that come to mind first...
I have made it a point in my XDA history not to post unless it's necessary or I'm trying to be informative. I generally stay on-topic etc so count this as an exception, lol.
Anyways, guys, you've all been so helpful to me, on a personal level. I've pm'ed a couple of you on various things and you've always been quick and genuinely helpful in your responses and that is awesome.
It's because of you I will be hanging onto my rezound for awhile, as you've made a few months not having CM a little less painful with all of your hard work, friendliness and enthusiasm.
I encourage other users to post their feelings, remarks, comments to their favorite dev(s) and be let them hear how awesome-sauce they are.
Thanks again
Sincerely,
This Guy
To My Fellow Devs!
ATTENTION:
lllboredlll - Confirmation number: 26842307SM800591Y
newtoroot - Confirmation number: 3CX930251A7310703
scrosler - Confirmation number: 6D2900849M833534X
JoelZ9614 - Confirmation number: 4M802412FA196464C
con247 - Confirmation number: 1VF984498F355111E
NilsP - Confirmation number: 85H06658602955846
who_mike_d - Confirmation number: 6XS8202351620744L
chingy51o - Confirmation number: 8P54219799070904M
This is my personal thanks to all the Developers on here. Without you, we wouldn't have the great things we do now. I want you to be reminded that your hard work doesn't go unrecognized, and hopefully you can continue to deal with us, the people, and still provide us with awesome products. If you read this, hit thanks.
Edit: There are so many others who deserve thanks and appreciation. For example, andybones is one of them, who is always helping out those in need. Also, people like us, who like to help others as well, and keep our patience intact when times get tough.
Special Note: Protekk, I'm sorry for the ones who drove you away from the Rezound community. I didn't pay attention to any sort of progress you had going, but I'm sure it was great since you have done a lot as a developer. I doubt you'll ever read this, but if you did, just know a lot of members feel bad as to what happened. Leave your legacy, Protekk.
Don't forget Newt, his ril fix was impressive. Thanks to everyone that helps folks around here. We have a lot of folks new to Modding in this forum. Lets be patient and help one another so we can all get more from and enjoy our device.
One thing I notice is that a Dev will get 20 posts of people praising them for their work, clicking the thanks button, and then one person out of that 20 says something dumb or is unappreciative and that is the one that gets the attention, and the Dev getting irritated about it. I sucks that there are a few unappreciative people out there, but I think the Devs need to weigh that against the huge majority of appreciative and thankful people.
The devs here do great, amazing work and deserve all the thanks they get.
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One thing I notice is that a Dev will get 20 posts of people praising them for their work, clicking the thanks button, and then one person out of that 20 says something dumb or is unappreciative and that is the one that gets the attention, and the Dev getting irritated about it. I sucks that there are a few unappreciative people out there, but I think the Devs need to weigh that against the huge majority of appreciative and thankful people.
The devs here do great, amazing work and deserve all the thanks they get.
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This, exactly.
It's not the community that's bad, it's one or two individuals.
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ATTENTION:
lllboredlll
newtoroot
scrosler
JoelZ9614
con247
NilsP
who_mike_d
chingy51o
This is my personal thanks to all the Developers on here. Without you, we wouldn't have the great things we do now. I want you to be reminded that your hard work doesn't go unrecognized, and hopefully you can continue to deal with us, the people, and still provide us with awesome products. If you read this, hit thanks.
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All of these guys are absolutely amazing at what they do. Thanks for the hard work. I appreciate all you guys do to make my phone better.
dont forget about the lurkers like myself. I don't say much, but i always hit thanks on a helpful post or anything i D/L. I don't say very much at all but I would like to thank all of the people out there who make this phone way awesomer than it already is. I'm not gonna drop names, but if youve contributed even in a small way, THANKS! (yes i just used the word awesomer)
I just wanted to bump this to the top so it is easily seen. I have modded multiple devices, and can say that the rezound has been the one with the longest learning curve. Our forum is junked up because we, as a community, have allowed it to happen. Instead of one newb learning, and posting a definitive guide on how to do some of the stuff, or a simple walk thru explanation, we have twice the threads. Before anyone jumps on me to do it, or that is why we need to search, XDA search sucks. I don't know enough to do this. I am still confused about the multiple hboots, and would want someone who knows their stuff, so would you. If you look at our stickies, they are all old. I have been on forums where all of the important info is in the top 2 stickies. Hell, Fattire helped the nook color forum learn how to build cm9 from source. (should check it out, that thread is amazing)So Veterans attacking newbs has got to stop. Newbs attacking Vets, and Dev's has got to stop. Attacking Marcus has got to stop. If we tried helping people instead of wasting all of our time holding them down, we would evolve as a community. I am not harassing, or blaming anyone. Thank you to all of those that blaze the trail ahead of us. Thank you to Nils, Joel,Bored, Newt, DMeadows, Protekk, paulie vicious, Con, and everybody else that has contributed to the Rezound. I may post here again to bump it up because this is one of the most important threads in general.
Edit: also want to thank all of the kernel developers, themers, and newbs.
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One thing I notice is that a Dev will get 20 posts of people praising them for their work, clicking the thanks button, and then one person out of that 20 says something dumb or is unappreciative and that is the one that gets the attention, and the Dev getting irritated about it. I sucks that there are a few unappreciative people out there, but I think the Devs need to weigh that against the huge majority of appreciative and thankful people.
The devs here do great, amazing work and deserve all the thanks they get.
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Cosign
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Thirded.
Andybones!!!!
Just saw your post in the other thread... that sucks, please don't be a stranger, you helped me a lot too... one of 2 XDA people I've ever bothered to Gtalk with, thanks for all you've done sir
Another bump. I have mostly been quiet unless I thought my contributions could help. I think the devs generally get the thanks they deserve, but not always.
Thanks, Scott, Con, antp, graymonkey44, NilsP, Newt, and SO many more. Don't let the negative get to you. There are SO many people here who never post a word who appreciate your work.
And to those of you who take it as your personal responsibility to jump on or flame noobs or anyone, just chill, ok?
I believe we can all be civil to one another and still have fun and teach/learn.
Thanks again to everyone who puts their time in and makes this a better place.
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I'm a big fan of many of the Devs here. Some I met in the Incredible forums. All of them are brilliant at what they do. Joel, Newt, bored, Nils, you guys are my personal favorites.
Some devs here are more humble and down-to-earth than others. Some are total head cases! LOL!
Nils is a prime example of a Dev who does amazing work, but doesn't make a spectacle of himself by obnoxiously tooting his own horn. But you can tell by his legion of loyal ROM flashers that his work is top shelf. He is very patient, helpful, and probably the best of the bunch when it comes to troubleshooting and technical support. Obviously, I'm a big fan. He's a class act.
Some folks here can't resist telling us over and over about how great they are, and it can get a little tedious. If your work is good, your 'thanks' meter, positive feedback, and donation balance should reflect that and be ego boost enough. Let the masses tell you how good you are. It'll carry more weight.
If we all tried a little harder to keep it classy and respect each other, this place might attract devs instead of running them off.
Thanks,
BBEgo
A whole lotta thanks son!
I do appreciate all of the Devs for putting real life things on hold to provide us those dope roms on their own time and dime. Words cannot express how grateful we should all be that these guys/gals put up a lot of their time and knowledge for us.
The least we can do is give a "Thanks" and search the Dev thread BEFORE you ask a question because 9/10 it has already been address/answered. Do not make your first post in a thread "When's the next update" or "Can you fix this" or "Why doesn't this work". If we were to do the simple things like that the Devs would be much happier.
Lastly, I would also like to point out there are many of us users who also spend quite a bit of time on this forum to help other users with the bit of knowledge they have. I think those guys/gals also deserve a shout out as well because they also do help make things a slight bit easier for the real deal Developers.
Just sayin
Favor
When I was young, when someone did something for you that they didn't HAVE to do, that was called a "favor". And the one lesson that I learned early in life is that you don't question a favor - you accept it. You say thank you. And just because you got one favor, don't assume you are going to get another one. You aren't "entitled" to anything as the result of a favor, nor does the person that did the favor HAVE to keep doing favors for you. He or she deserves your gratitude, if not a good deal more.
As far as I'm concerned these Devs, Themers, Contributors, Helpers, etc., are doing us, the Users, Flashers, Lurkers, etc., a FAVOR. Accept the favor, thank the person doing the favor, but don't question the favor.
Just sayin'......
Don't mean to be that guy but why didn't you include protekk.I appreciate his efforts and his willingness to come and help.I love all the devs and commitment just don't think we should leave out protekk
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Thanks to all of Developers and Themers here. Your work makes this stuff fun!
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Don't mean to be that guy but why didn't you include protekk.I appreciate his efforts and his willingness to come and help.I love all the devs and commitment just don't think we should leave out protekk
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you should explore other threads. the thought of a particular dev being aactive is up in the air right now
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you should explore other threads. the thought of a particular dev being aactive is up in the air right now
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i have read i just feel like he should not go unnoticed. to each is own. either way i think we all can agree we love each dev for the rezound
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i have read i just feel like he should not go unnoticed. to each is own. either way i think we all can agree we love each dev for the rezound
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I agree, although people may take it as a negative. We should stay positive for Protekk and hope maybe he really will give us the RIL.