Yes I know wrong section. But this absolutely MUST go out to as many kernel devs as possible. I see alot of kernel activity today, and im just saying. BFS + dual core...
You even state its the wrong thread. Shame on you.
If you need it, make it.
we need members to post in correct areas!
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"Alot of kernel activity..." ???
All I see is bnice's added today...
Glad to see his bc as far as kernels go we have been lacking lately. Remember in evo4g after source is out net and others would b on top of it within a week and have ton of stuff added.
Spoiled back then I guess. LOL
But to ur point about BFS, I tried those so many times and the battery like effect was never worth the slight performance bump over using cfs. Just my opinion on it.
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jeez guys... take it easy.
lol.
just a desperate plea for BFS.
I love the theory in BFS but CFS just feels far faster (and more immediate) IMHO.
Yuck, no we don't.
BFS has always produced terrible results on phones-- that usually result in very strange issues and battery problems. CFS all the way.
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Yuck, no we don't.
BFS has always produced terrible results on phones-- that usually result in very strange issues and battery problems. CFS all the way.
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+100000.
Maybe we can mark the "end of an era" here on XDA, when there officially are NO more silly BFS kernels worked on by Devs or even, possibly, demanded by users. These kernels were begun to be produced originally because of users' strange fixation on the 5% of "missing" battery life they were "getting screwed out of" every time they unplugged after a full charge.
The appropriate reaction by developers over the first complaint of this years ago SHOULD have been "so what? It's 5%. That's actually a safety feature that's there to protect your battery and to make sure you don't burn down your house.... ".
Why the whole "BFS!-here's-a kernel-that-will-keep-charging-that battery-until-it-glows-or-explodes" thing ever became a thing in the first place is beyond me.
Cmon guys... Here's our chance.
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I win the idiot award for this fantastic piece of work. I'm SO leaving it up, though... lol.
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+100000.
Maybe we can mark the "end of an era" here on XDA, when there officially are NO more silly BFS kernels worked on by Devs or even, possibly, demanded by users. These kernels were begun to be produced originally because of users' strange fixation on the 5% of "missing" battery life they were "getting screwed out of" every time they unplugged after a full charge.
The appropriate reaction by developers over the first complaint of this years ago SHOULD have been "so what? It's 5%. That's actually a safety feature that's there to protect your battery and to make sure you don't burn down your house.... ".
Why the whole "BFS!-here's-a kernel-that-will-keep-charging-that battery-until-it-glows-or-explodes" thing ever became a thing in the first place is beyond me.
Cmon guys... Here's our chance.
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..... You mean SBC.
COME ON, Zook... I would hope you know the difference between the SBC (superior battery charging) kernels and the BFS (Brain F*ck scheduler).
....COME ON!!
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..... You mean SBC.
COME ON, Zook... I would hope you know the difference between the SBC (superior battery charging) kernels and the BFS (Brain F*ck scheduler).
....COME ON!!
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This is soooo funny.. ppl trying to write smart articles about BFS, without even knowing what it is hahaha.... F*ckin funny!
- Coz i just saw it in 3D with the Shooter -
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This is soooo funny.. ppl trying to write smart articles about BFS, without even knowing what it is hahaha.... F*ckin funny!
- Coz i just saw it in 3D with the Shooter -
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Edit.... didn't have my coffee when I wrote this.
Congrats Mo on 602!
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This is soooo funny.. ppl trying to write smart articles about BFS, without even knowing what it is hahaha.... F*ckin funny!
- Coz i just saw it in 3D with the Shooter -
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Haha... Sorry guys... I just woke up and saw my fatal error...
Go ahead, yuk it up..., (I would)...
Anyway, I read the OP wrong, obviously...
I was talking about an SBC kernel...
(That concept, I know I'm against, by definition.)
And I am familiar with the concepts of BFS/CFS... Honestly, though, I could never tell much of a difference between the two when using different variations of the same kernel on my EVO4G.... (I've got a CFS kernel with CM7 in there right now, I believe, that's never given me issues, though.
So, once again, sorry for the goof, sorry to the OP because my opinion was misguided..
I didn't read it correctly, and thought I knew what I was talking about.
Ps, thanks Chef, for taking up for me though, but, while I definitely know more about Android than I did a year ago, I still am learning every day, and that's because of everyone else that's here every day too.
Thanks for keeping me in check, fellas.
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I was totally just flipping you **** zook. Lol. I figured you where sleepy.. or drunk or something haha.
we need less wikipedia-search inspired technical threads.
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we need less wikipedia-search-inspired technical threads.
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I agree. I thought BFS was a British sports cable tv station.
Congrats Mo on 602!
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we need less wikipedia-search-inspired technical threads.
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I agree. I thought BFS was a British sports cable tv station.
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here is the WikiPedia listings for BFS in case anyone is curious..
i personally like this one: BFS, a revival of the 1970s British band Blackfoot Sue
thats what we are looking for in a kernel right?? the revival of the 1970s British Band Blackfoot Sue.. yeah.. that sounds about right.. please devs give us some more Blackfoot Sue in our kernels.. please
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here is the WikiPedia listings for BFS in case anyone is curious..
i personally like this one: BFS, a revival of the 1970s British band Blackfoot Sue
thats what we are looking for in a kernel right?? the revival of the 1970s British Band Blackfoot Sue.. yeah.. that sounds about right.. please devs give us some more Blackfoot Sue in our kernels.. please
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Ahhhhh... touche.
Congrats Mo on 602!
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Ahhhhh... touche.
Congrats Mo on 602!
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honestly i thought it sounded like a british sports channel.. but i had to post some sort of sarcastic comment.. wikipedia - inspired techincal threads.. silly..
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For all of us jealous ones who have to wait to Friday please tell us your experience with the 3evo..not just the 3d but everything, gaming ..photos, web browsing etc..does it suck like the reviews say..gimme something to look foward to on Friday.
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For all of us jealous ones who have to wait to Friday please tell us your experience with the 3evo..not just the 3d but everything, gaming ..photos, web browsing etc..does it suck like the reviews say..gimme something to look foward to on Friday.
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No wifi, less space than a nomad...lame
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For all of us jealous ones who have to wait to Friday please tell us your experience with the 3evo..not just the 3d but everything, gaming ..photos, web browsing etc..does it suck like the reviews say..gimme something to look foward to on Friday.
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Seriously? Have you not taken the time to read? Not to be a smart a$$ but damn, there are countless threads you could read rather than start another one about the same thing....lol
Just sayin
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Seriously? Have you not taken the time to read? Not to be a smart a$$ but damn, there are countless threads you could read rather than start another one about the same thing....lol
Just sayin
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points to you sir.
I saw threads about individual attributes about the phone but nothing about the overall phone..but that's fine ill just wait till Friday and find out myself
I came to this thread, looking for the same answers as the OP was, but as with many threads, the responses were mostly douchified (yes its not a word). Thanks for nothing (so far).
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I came to this thread, looking for the same answers as the OP was, but as with many threads, the responses were mostly douchified (yes its not a word). Thanks for nothing (so far).
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Might I suggest starting your own thread?
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You deserve a badge..since you have been.the post police..this is the general
Discussion board and all I see is people like you policing the boards and not helping at all..everyone is excited for the release but in every thread there is someone like you talking ****..if.u saw a similiar post don't be afraid not to read it ..it will be ok..we will all be ok without your stellar contributions..I hate assholes..probably a punk too..trying to bully ppl on forums
Make sure in your response you tell me how.bad my paragraphs are or whatever
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You deserve a badge..since you have been.the post police..this is the general
Discussion board and all I see is people like you policing the boards and not helping at all..everyone is excited for the release but in every thread there is someone like you talking ****..if.u saw a similiar post don't be afraid not to read it ..it will be ok..we will all be ok without your stellar contributions..I hate assholes..probably a punk too..trying to bully ppl on forums
Make sure in your response you tell me how.bad my paragraphs are or whatever
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Sure, I've been both helpful and a ****. I've also spent an inordinate amount of time on here today...
But...bully? Really? I've always known the General sections to be full of idiots around release time but you take the cake buddy. I might have played police a few times but at least I did it with a grin on my face. It's just a message board, lighten up. The phone isn't out yet officially, everyone is all wound up with excitement and the amount of dumb threads and questions is through the roof...if you can't take it with a grain of salt I'm not entirely sure how you cope on the internet.
I think you need to take a chill pill, or a bottle thereof.
But, in the name of fairness I'll say that I also have jumped down a couple throats tonight...acted absurdly...called a couple names. But it was all in the name of fun.
I suppose now you want to fight about it. Well, I'll tell you right now my schedule is pretty busy when I'm not on here but I do have a window open between 5pm and 7:30pm tomorrow. I'm in the northeast US, I can't drive far given my schedule but I'll meet you half way. Loser pays for ice cream seems fair.
I'm sorry, sometimes I forget that the internet is such serious business.
So far I love the size.it feels sleek!!!
The screen is gorgeous!!! I love the brightness and clarity.
Power button is supper sensitive. So us the touch screen.
The build quality is very good. Some very tiny light leakage. But very sturdy design.
The camera still sucks in low light.
Battery I can't comment on just yet.
Shutter button is very small and not big like pictures make it out to be.
Heck once you have it in your hand you will be impressed.
Also the vibrate is great.
I'll update when I have more time with it.
I am very happy with it so far.
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Now that HTC made their announcement a couple of weeks ago, we have an actual ETA on the unlocked bootloader. That said, as we all know, it'll be a month or two before this goes into effect. I know that many people (myself included) jumped to the EVO 3D because of the spectacular dev support that the 4G received, hoping that the 3D would get similar support on even better hardware. I think there were many people disappointed in HTC regarding the bootloader and how long it took them to unlock it (and awesomely impressed with dev temp-root workarounds!), and I certainly wouldn't blame developers for jumping ship to another device due to impatience with HTC. Of course, if devs go, there will the people follow.
My question to the devs is that now that we're reaching the deadline of the 30 day exchange policy and with rumors of the Galaxy 2 II on the horizon, are you going to be sticking with the EVO3D or returning it to develop for another phone?
I ask not to call anyone out, but out of sheer curiosity and self-interest. As awesome as this phone is, I want to go with the phone that is going to get the most development, and I know I'm not alone in that regard.
Thanks for your time!
Personally I don't care. But you're going get flamed by some "Obese and Ugly" Super Nerd that has some kind of Napolean Complex and feels the need to tell you that this post is in the wrong section. He thinks he's doing XDA and the "interwebz" a service and also speculates daily that he's important on some grand level.
All that aside. Development for the EVO 3D is ****. It's over. Thanks to Stericson.
I've jumped ship. I'll never purchase another HTC phone, they can shove them up their ass, lock their bootloaders and masterbate on the code as it prints out from their ****** iMac and MacBook Pro's.
..sigh.
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All that aside. Development for the EVO 3D is ****. It's over. Thanks to Stericson.
..sigh.
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I would agree with this statement.
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Sad but true .. all I want is to be able to tether
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really is it over what dev's have jumped ship?
No one, just a bunch of morons talking out there ass
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really is it over what dev's have jumped ship?
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He doesnt sound like he's jumping ship, and last I checked he was a pretty important DEV. At least in my book!
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He doesnt sound like he's jumping ship, and last I checked he was a pretty important DEV. At least in my book!
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Linking fail.
Not many just bounce. Where they stand? Standing on the middle of the screen...
Really guys, is too soon to jump out the ship, we gotta be patience, I believe on the EVO3D dev team!
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I don't think any devs have jumped ship, theirs just no reason to develop anything right now. The only thing we have right now is temp root and that has been developed into something far beyond what it started off as.And not to forget the all the skins, unrooted rosie mods, overclocking and everyone behind the scenes working on trying to crack the bootloader with the little there is to work with. For now the 3D is a great example of the saying- when life throws you lemons... And when one of the outstanding Devs here squeezes the juice out of the locked bootloader we will have us one fine lemonade stand.
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Linking fail.
Not many just bounce. Where they stand? Standing on the middle of the screen...
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Sorry, fixed the link. I was trying to do it from my phone, and it defaulted to mobile twitter.
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I wouldn't at all (even though we really aren't have a "Dev" discussion right now), I hardly see how anyone can say "HE" killed dev for our device. I don't think the dev is dead at all, hell, he tried to keep all the BS and stupid questions out of the Dev section. I personally think that the fact there has been a min post count rule implemented across the dev forums speaks volumes to and shows that people do need to read and respect the a) section and b) OP when posting in a thread, well.... lets say posting HTC rants in a thread dedicated to our temp root solution.
"He" may have been a bit slow to reopen the thread (in our section) that he was basically forced to police because of morons that can't read or comprehend just what a dev thread is for, but that hardly constitutes making the "Dev being dead, over and out". Said morons and illiterates actually drove the dev's to IRC, away from the public forum where they started and hoped to collect ideas and garner more support from the masses on the development work.
I would like to hear a dev say "he" killed their work on this device... sounds like crazy talk to me from some impatient users.
I won't be jumping ship (speaking as veteran flash addict and avid Dev supporter), we'll have our perm root one way or another. I am just surprised to see people acting so butt hurt over what is going on, a month out of the gate.
Now that, is some sad shhhht to sigh about...
Oh, and... IBTL
I hope allot of the 4g devs do make a appearance, I personally think most of them are the best there is. I believe we picked up a bunch of hero guys too, there's a whole lot of exceptional talent in that group too. I think once we get full root, theres going to be some real awesume stuff pop up overnight in this forum,
I do have to say the ones that are here now are going a great job and putting out a lot of badass stuff considering all most of them have to work with is teamwin's temp root.
/.....
So many devs have been working really hard on unlocking and rooting this device. On the near horizon there will be so many awesome mods and roms and mods our heads will spin. It's been around 30 days since the device was released and there are ton's of people on board. Once the bootloader is open the floodgates will too. Just sit tight and wait. Good things to come.
You guys have to realize also there is a BIG difference between devs and chefs
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I heard deck, myn, and virus are aboard. I know fresh is. I am sure many other are. I also believe the dev responsible for the kernal for cm7 is aboard to. What is his name? Man bugging me now....
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So many devs have been working really hard on unlocking and rooting this device. On the near horizon there will be so many awesome mods and roms and mods our heads will spin. It's been around 30 days since the device was released and there are ton's of people on board. Once the bootloader is open the floodgates will too. Just sit tight and wait. Good things to come.
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I think that's pretty much where I'm at, just sitting tight. I found myself in the unfortunate spot of getting a 3D with a touchscreen issue, and I'm between doing a 30 day return or exchange. I think more than likely I'll end up keeping it (the thing is a beast), and it's good to know that there's other people sticking around
I think we should all jump ship and give up, after all that's why we're here, at xda developers. Also, this piece of junk unmatched phone had been out for a crazy long 37 days, what with no root... WTF. And that damn mod... Keeping morons with big mouths out of dev threads, what a douche, we should just let everyone say and do what they want in here. That way we could read more. I hope a mod closes this thread and bans the OP for a month, for fun (because this awesome development is... A question). Member since 08 ... Get some email addresses or follow them on Twitter, or pm them, or find them in webchat, that's how you talk to a dev.
BANG! from my shooter...
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You guys have to realize also there is a BIG difference between devs and chefs
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Good point. I did generalize by saying "devs" but I definitely meant both. ROMs are one of the best reasons to root. Looking forward to getting some CM, kushdeck, and MIUI on this bad boy, not to mention the host of awesome Sense developers like Myn, Virus, and Ava. From most responses, it seems like we don't have too much to worry about. As far as CM and MIUI are concerned, if demand is high enough, there'll either be an official release or at the very least a port, since they're community projects.
ok, since we bombarded them over the source releases, I think in all decentcy we should return to say thanks. It's easy to picket and raise hell, so we should at least go clap our hands, they could of easily given us the big finger.
What is it i'm thanking them for again?
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ok, since we bombarded them over the source releases, I think in all decentcy we should return to say thanks. It's easy to picket and raise hell, so we should at least go clap our hands, they could of easily given us the big finger.
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At first I read this and agreed 100%. Then as I gave it more thought I realized that would be like a teacher thanking their student for doing their homework or you thanking your mechanic for fixing your car...that's what they are supposed to do...legally required to do (lets not start that whole 'GPL wiggle room' meme again)...and they did it late.
I'm glad they did, I'm not sure if the facebook assault had anything to do with it, but I'm not sure they deserve a thank you for doing what they are required to do.
Just checked and my phone still says no updates available.
Done!
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Just checked and my phone still says no updates available.
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Apparently you don't know what 'Source' is...
This doesn't mean they have an update for you to download, it means that they released a copy of their kernel.
They only release the source because they are required too not because we asked them. If that was the case well you know the story.
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Done!
Apparently you don't know what 'Source' is...
This doesn't mean they have an update for you to download, it means that they released a copy of their kernel.
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Apparently not, na just didn't read all the words.. still
Not only that, they released the wrong kernel source. They f'ed up
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Lol! I totally thank my mechanic when he fixes my car. You thank people when they do things that you appreciate regardless of whether or not its something you're paying them to do. Its Just plain good taste. But yeah, I agree with the OP. Whenever anyone opens their source its a good tying. It allows endeavors like the XDA community to keep on deving.
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The simple fact is, they didn't have to do anything. Do you honestly believe we have rights as consumers? I mean really? Do I feel I owed them a thank you?, no. Is it a decent thing to do after the fact?,yes. They gave it to us sooner rather then later, or even at all for that matter. Human decentcy is a funny thing lately in this country, but whatever.
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Lol! I totally thank my mechanic when he fixes my car. You thank people when they do things that you appreciate regardless of whether or not its something you're paying them to do. Its Just plain good taste. But yeah, I agree with the OP. Whenever anyone opens their source its a good tying. It allows endeavors like the XDA community to keep on deving.
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The simple fact is, they didn't have to do anything. Do you honestly believe we have rights as consumers? I mean really? Do I feel I owed them a thank you?, no. Is it a decent thing to do after the fact?,yes. They gave it to us sooner rather then later, or even at all for that matter. Human decentcy is a funny thing lately in this country, but whatever.
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I build ROMs and Skins and can't even get people to hit a simple "Thanks" button so you don't have to preach to me about it. Not that you are your just making a statement. I have no problem giving thanks, but I never *****ed about the source in the first place. I only *****ed about the other thing.
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The simple fact is, they didn't have to do anything. Do you honestly believe we have rights as consumers? I mean really? Do I feel I owed them a thank you?, no. Is it a decent thing to do after the fact?,yes. They gave it to us sooner rather then later, or even at all for that matter. Human decentcy is a funny thing lately in this country, but whatever.
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Back down there sparky...I believe I phrased my reply to indicate that I was indeed on the fence with the idea. I'm not laboring over my decision but I want to give it thought. The kernel source is subject to the rules of the GPL. They paid nothing for it and only have to abide by the rules of the license. One of those rules is that the source code must be made available (within a certain amount of time? I keep hearing 30 days but I'm not so sure).
I guess I just used poor analogies. You don't thank someone for not robbing your house...do you?
That said, in the name of fairness (and human decency...towards a corporation that has already demonstrated a desire to screw us as much as we will allow?) I'm still considering my stance.
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The simple fact is, they didn't have to do anything. Do you honestly believe we have rights as consumers? I mean really? Do I feel I owed them a thank you?, no. Is it a decent thing to do after the fact?,yes. They gave it to us sooner rather then later, or even at all for that matter. Human decentcy is a funny thing lately in this country, but whatever.
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Lol! I totally thank my mechanic when he fixes my car. You thank people when they do things that you appreciate regardless of whether or not its something you're paying them to do. Its Just plain good taste. But yeah, I agree with the OP. Whenever anyone opens their source its a good tying. It allows endeavors like the XDA community to keep on deving.
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I build ROMs and Skins and can't even get people to hit a simple "Thanks" button so you don't have to preach to me about it. Not that you are your just making a statement. I have no problem giving thanks, but I never *****ed about the source in the first place. I only *****ed about the other thing.
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I appreciate all the work that is done here, and I'm sorry that I cant contribute to that work. I wasn't calling out everybody here, most people didnt hit their page, but those of us that did, I felt a simple thanks would be good in the long term future. You know, maybe the evo3, instead of them being like **** those guys that spammed us last year and never came back, they may be like, hey lets get them the goods again, all the thanks looked good on our fb page. Social networking has given us power, much more than the old 800 number, simply because all complaints and gratitudes are in the public view of the world. Plus as a species thats struggling, again, simple decentcy is refreshing, and whats wrong with that?
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Back down there sparky...I believe I phrased my reply to indicate that I was indeed on the fence with the idea. I'm not laboring over my decision but I want to give it thought. The kernel source is subject to the rules of the GPL. They paid nothing for it and only have to abide by the rules of the license. One of those rules is that the source code must be made available (within a certain amount of time? I keep hearing 30 days but I'm not so sure).
I guess I just used poor analogies. You don't thank someone for not robbing your house...do you?
That said, in the name of fairness (and human decency...towards a corporation that has already demonstrated a desire to screw us as much as we will allow?) I'm still considering my stance.
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Read above post.
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I appreciate all the work that is done here, and I'm sorry that I cant contribute to that work. I wasn't calling out everybody here, most people didnt hit their page, but those of us that did, I felt a simple thanks would be good in the long term future. You know, maybe the evo3, instead of them being like **** those guys that spammed us last year and never came back, they may be like, hey lets get them the goods again, all the thanks looked good on our fb page. Social networking has given us power, much more than the old 800 number, simply because all complaints and gratitudes are in the public view of the world. Plus as a species thats struggling, again, simple decentcy is refreshing, and whats wrong with that?
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When I first read the post I didn't read all the words like I said. I missed the part about the source code.
People just aren't as appreciative as they used to be. Thats what I think mostly America has become. I do get enough thanks for what I do and thats why I keep doing it. I know people like it even though they don't always show it.
I actually talked to HTC this morning and the first words out of my mouth were that I love their phones and what they do.
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That's pretty compelling...in the short run. In the long run I would hope that you are proven correct and it's certainly worth a shot. If they don't learn from this, well, we can always attack them again.
I think I just might give them a thanks. All of that positive PR would surely help convince them to do the same in the future.
Well I stopped by their Facebook to say thanks as soon as they posted it. I hit them up in a polite way every day asking for it, so I felt that I wanted to thank them for doing it in a timely matter. Other companies and phones take much longer. Now, if I still had my OG EVO, I would not have thanked them for releasing today. I mean when did the GB update for the OG EVO come out? And they are just releasing it today? This is my opinion, not that anyone asked for it.
Just wanted to let everybody know that I've tried the VALPHA3 of CM7 with Tiamat's 1.1.0 AOSP kernel and (aside from the known bugs) I've NEVER seen an Android phone run this great. 1 hour of medium-heavy use off the charger, OC'd to 1.6 GHz using SetCPU and the lagfree governor and auto-brightness on connected to WiFi, I'm only down 4% on the stock battery. No issues connecting to a WPA2 WiFi network and this thing is FAST! Benchmarks barely show how sweet this thing is running.
[Insert demoralizing comment]
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Doesnt it worsen multitouch?
Temari x Shikamaru
If the benchmark doesn't beat the GSII then ill pass...
Sent from my double barrel Shooter. BANG!
By the way, it seems like the benchmark scores are fairly low because I'm using a "less-than-ideal" 16GB Kingston class 10 card that only achieves class 4 write speeds. Also, anybody who knows anything about Android knows that benchmarks only show half of the story. Not even sure why I included the screenshot now. Had to be the excitement.
I haven't seen any issues with multi-touch.
Also [insert question about demoralizing comment here]...
Why's that? I mean, benchmarks are pretty useless anyways. Testing in real world applications is what matters. And CM7 is much more responsive than Sense apps in that respect.
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It's responsive but buggy. I thought cm
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I have no clue why the alpha 3 thread was closed as I was pretty excited to get an RC or stable download at some point.
Anybody know the status of CM 7 for the EVO 3D?
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I am on hboot 1.5 -- is it possible to get cm without bring s-off?
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issafram said:
I have no clue why the alpha 3 thread was closed as I was pretty excited to get an RC or stable download at some point.
Anybody know the status of CM 7 for the EVO 3D?
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Maybe they are working on bringing alpha versions of ics?
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Maybe they are working on bringing alpha versions of ics?
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lol?
I already said this..if you guys are expecting any kind of a stable ICS rom before the year's end then you're just setting yourself up to be disappointed. The source isn't gonna be released until middle of November. Then you have a month in half to code a working rom from 100% scratch?
Not to mention 2 major holidays to deal with in that time...no.
The CM7 alpha thread got closed because it was filled with morons going off topic or *****ing each other out. We may not even have nightlies for CM7 before the year's end... development on this particular phone is slow and boring. It is what it is tho..we'll get it eventually.
No 100% working ics until April or May. Im calling it.
Temari x Shikamaru
As an aside: Gingerbread was released in December (SDK was Dec 6th, I couldn't find an actual source date, but I didn't look to hard).
And we had "kang" builds working for the Evo4g by Christmas. I couldn't find when official nightlies began (it looks like mid-January) and the first RC release was in mid-February.
Hopefully this will give people a little perspective into dev times. Granted this is not a timeline that is set in stone. As of right now the 3D doesn't even have CM7 nightlies so it might (read: probably will) take longer.
Just have patience.
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The CM7 alpha thread got closed because it was filled with morons going off topic or *****ing each other out. We may not even have nightlies for CM7 before the year's end... development on this particular phone is slow and boring. It is what it is tho..we'll get it eventually.
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I thought that was why, but that is a awful reason. I remember the thread was locked or cleaned up at one point, but come on. Toast is a great dev and all, but I don't support that decision. The one thing I always complain about (and my peers) in work environments, is lack of communication. Im a dev too and I understand that asking for ETA isn't nice. I'm not asking for that at all. Just give me a status update like I dunno, once a month would be nice. I hope the CM team doesn't look at us like a typical dev/client relationship in the work force, where that relationship is non existent.
And yea I know they do it for free, they have real lives, stop complaining, etc. I'm not complaining....I'm asking for better/more frequent communication.
And its my OPINION. If you disagree, do so politely.
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lol?
I already said this..if you guys are expecting any kind of a stable ICS rom before the year's end then you're just setting yourself up to be disappointed. The source isn't gonna be released until middle of November. Then you have a month in half to code a working rom from 100% scratch?
Not to mention 2 major holidays to deal with in that time...no.
The CM7 alpha thread got closed because it was filled with morons going off topic or *****ing each other out. We may not even have nightlies for CM7 before the year's end... development on this particular phone is slow and boring. It is what it is tho..we'll get it eventually.
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This. And even then people should expect to wait MONTHS for things like 4g support or to do without 3D features. At least thats what I remember with the OG Evo.
Also agree with issafram, its a shame the thread was closed instead of cleaned up and forced to stay on topic. I have only followed a handful of ROM threads so I can't speak for how widespread it is, but it seems the EV0 3D forums has been plagued with these problems compared to the EVO 4G forums. I can pontificate the reasons all day but I think the solution is to crack the whip until the offenders learn or leave.
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...Just give me a status update like I dunno, once a month would be nice...
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Alpha3 was released Sept 25th. It is barely over 1 month since then and there have been a couple "status updates" since then.
This is not directed towards you, just in general: Why do people feel like devs owe them something?
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Alpha3 was released Sept 25th. It is barely over 1 month since then and there have been a couple "status updates" since then.
This is not directed towards you, just in general: Why do people feel like devs owe them something?
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The devs don't owe us anything and I know that 100%. Its just hard for a development forum to stay development related when there is basically no public development being made. I love teamwin and toastcfh and can't wait for another release but by the way things seem we wont see anything until nightlies which are probably another 2-3 weeks out. Once trwp 2.0 is released cm7 development should speed up I think. Just no telling when either will be released.
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I am on hboot 1.5 -- is it possible to get cm without bring s-off?
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Saw this... hope i answers your question...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1306248
rank78 said:
This. And even then people should..... .
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No.
Not "This."
Not that at ALL.
Instead,
THIS:
issafram said:
I thought that was why, but that is a awful reason. I remember the thread was locked or cleaned up at one point, but come on. Toast is a great dev and all, but I don't support that decision. The one thing I always complain about (and my peers) in work environments, is lack of communication. Im a dev too and I understand that asking for ETA isn't nice. I'm not asking for that at all. Just give me a status update like I dunno, once a month would be nice. I hope the CM team doesn't look at us like a typical dev/client relationship in the work force, where that relationship is non existent.
And yea I know they do it for free, they have real lives, stop complaining, etc. I'm not complaining....I'm asking for better/more frequent communication.
And its my OPINION. If you disagree, do so politely.
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Sorry, rank78, but Issafram has it exactly right, here.
If you're going to open a thread, be it in the Dev Forum, in General, in Q&A, or in Themes, there needs to be one thing included in every one, and that's just:
"Common Courtesy".
It shouldn't matter at all how talented the Developer is, or how highly anticipated the ROM is:
If you're going to take the time to open a thread in the first place, the ONE responsibility you should take on is the responsibility of keeping a simple line of communication open to the users who decide to devote their time and interest to that thread.
Sure, you're more than welcome to state right up front "Don't ask for ETAs" and "Keep the thread on-topic!", but the OP has a responsibility then as well:
That's just to take a SMALL bit of time, (even if it's only once a WEEK) to let the users/subscribers know that at least you are 'still working on things', or 'at a roadblock' or 'on hold for now' or even that you're still alive, even.
Apparently, in the CM7 thread, that was too much for even TOAST or Shift to handle, and to insinuate that the closing of the thread was the fault of users going off-topic, (after not a single post in three weeks) , is absolutely asinine.
What kind of topic are users supposed to "stay on" when, by all accounts and measures, the developer has 'jumped ship' on the entire project?
Of course the users in that thread got sidetracked and began making off-topic posts.
Would you expect anything else?
Nope, the CM7 thread WASN'T closed due to the off-TOPIC habits of the users...
Rather, though:
The CM7 thread WAS closed due to the off-THREAD habits of the Developer and the "Maintainer".
Simple as that.
(Not just my two cents, because that's the absolute truth.)
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mazook98 said:
No.
Not "This."
Not that at ALL.
Instead,
THIS:
Sorry, rank78, but Issafram has it exactly right, here.
If you're going to open a thread, be it in the Dev Forum, in General, in Q&A, or in Themes, there needs to be one thing included in every one, and that's just:
"Common Courtesy".
It shouldn't matter at all how talented the Developer is, or how highly anticipated the ROM is:
If you're going to take the time to open a thread in the first place, the ONE responsibility you should take on is the responsibility of keeping a simple line of communication open to the users who decide to devote their time and interest to that thread.
Sure, you're more than welcome to state right up front "Don't ask for ETAs" and "Keep the thread on-topic!", but the OP has a responsibility then as well:
That's just to take a SMALL bit of time, (even if it's only once a WEEK) to let the users/subscribers know that at least you are 'still working on things', or 'at a roadblock' or 'on hold for now' or even that you're still alive, even.
Apparently, in the CM7 thread, that was too much for even TOAST or Shift to handle, and to insinuate that the closing of the thread was the fault of users going off-topic, (after not a single post in three weeks) , is absolutely asinine.
What kind of topic are users supposed to "stay on" when, by all accounts and measures, the developer has 'jumped ship' on the entire project?
Of course the users in that thread got sidetracked and began making off-topic posts.
Would you expect anything else?
Nope, the CM7 thread WASN'T closed due to the off-TOPIC habits of the users...
Rather, though:
The CM7 thread WAS closed due to the off-THREAD habits of the Developer and the "Maintainer".
Simple as that.
(Not just my two cents, because that's the absolute truth.)
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That's exactly what I've been trying to say. But everytime you say anything like you have idiots who's only response is "the devs don't owe you anything" well maybe they don't but if it wasn't for us they would be nobodies.
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I have something to say to all developers:
When you make a ROM, please don't say: "Awesome battery backup" or "Great battery life". It doesn't tell me anything AT ALL. I suggest when making ROMs test their battery life, make them go through browsing, movies, playing games, calling and ALL WHILE STAYING CONNECTED TO 3G/HPRS/EDGE, not WiFi. There are scripts that can help you with that and ways to do it, such as:
http://androidforums.com/incredible-accessories/102353-battery-stress-test-htc-1350mah-stock-battery-vs-dx-tp2-1500mah-battery.html
We all know WiFi takes less battery than a regular OTA data connection. I think all the ROMs here are good, some are great and some are not. But I'd like to see that so I can take more seriously what you're posting on the Features list of the ROM.
That is all.
I believe you posted in the wrong section, this should belong to the general section.But anyway you are partially right, most developers do test the battery life, not as intensive as you said but they tested it anyway, besides none of us do all the things you mentioned at the same time and even if you do thats the minority of us.This is related to the (!!!!!awesome rom ,Blazingly fast!!!!!!!! ) rom titles that are all arround this section
My AOSP doesn't even have 3G for god sake
Ace-ing all tests.
Sure, what I'm trying to convey is professionalism. Devs say: "Awesome battery backup". BACKUP? What the hell is that supposed to mean? As a user and as a programmer, I would like to know how good is a ROM before testing it and then sadly, wasting my time.
Wrong section, but you have a valid point. I don't trust the word of anyone, most of the things here are just placebos. Posting screenshots for battery life would help too. In fact, I think even scripts need to show such things or explain them.
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Sure, what I'm trying to convey is professionalism. Devs say: "Awesome battery backup". BACKUP? What the hell is that supposed to mean? As a user and as a programmer, I would like to know how good is a ROM before testing it and then sadly, wasting my time.
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yeah, i've heard that term many time and still wondering what in the world is it really means. "battery backup". lol
Wrong section. Report it next time. Moving.
Yea lol, and i hate those who claim that their battery life can last for 2-3 days, ***** plz, ur using the phone without normal usage (no internet browsing, gaming etc.) If ur going to live with ur phone with that just go and buy a Nokia 3310
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I'm with you
ROMFlasherAce said:
Yea lol, and i hate those who claim that their battery life can last for 2-3 days, ***** plz, ur using the phone without normal usage (no internet browsing, gaming etc.) If ur going to live with ur phone with that just go and buy a Nokia 3310
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I feel you.....my Defy only lasted 10h when overclocked + heavy browsing + Temple Run lol
EmoBoiix3 said:
I feel you.....my Defy only lasted 10h when overclocked + heavy browsing + Temple Run lol
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THX, btw wtf lol Ace lasted around 3-4 hours for that usage, or even worse, im curious why Defy is in the same price range as Ace in Hong Kong but it is a lot better lol.....not fair!!!!
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THX, btw wtf lol Ace lasted around 3-4 hours for that usage, or even worse, im curious why Defy is in the same price range as Ace in Hong Kong but it is a lot better lol.....not fair!!!!
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The Motorola Defy .
Stuck at Froyo .
Uses .sbf for flashing instead of .tar.md5 .
Once you flash a higher GC version you cannot downgrade , unlike Samsung .
This device has false certs on it being water resistant .
But there is a great dev community and their ICS is almost full-fledged , even Camera and Full H/W works
Ace-ing all tests.
You are posting on the wrong section, as you're not doing any developing at all.
Why don't you do yourself the testing and post the results?
Independent battery life testing under controled conditions would be an interesting idea.
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This device has false certs on it being water resistant .
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so its not actually water resistant?
Well, I don't agree. Actually devs could say their ROM gives you sweet dreams if they wanted to. There's ROM review threads where you can post your experience with each ROM and check what other users say, then make your choice.
Really, how much time can you waste testing a ROM related to the time it takes to cook one?
Don't trust the claims on the ROM thread?
Don't use it.
Didn't like it? Didn't get what was promised? The battery life isn't great?
Then post your experience and let other users know.
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Well, I don't agree. Actually devs could say their ROM gives you sweet dreams if they wanted to. There's ROM review threads where you can post your experience with each ROM and check what other users say, then make your choice.
Really, how much time can you waste testing a ROM related to the time it takes to cook one?
Don't trust the claims on the ROM thread?
Don't use it.
Didn't like it? Didn't get what was promised? The battery life isn't great?
Then post your experience and let other users know.
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err that's just the problem! They say that "this rom has awesome battery" without testing it to the edge! They sometimes test it only with normal usage without wifi, heavy gaming, 3g etc. So of course if they say the battery is good users would really expect something from it but end up getting disappointed because it didn't live up to it's word! So yeah "Don't trust the claims on the ROM thread?
Don't use it."
If that's the case, no one would even be using any rom right right now, not even stock.
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It's able to handle splashes of water , like up to 1m
Ace-ing all tests.
Don't worry, I'm going to start doing the tests myself. And no, I'm not developing anything at all, but, so what? I'm fed up with the "all-high-and-mighty" attitude some devs (some, not all) have around here in XDA. Let this remind us we were all users once.
But, anyhow, I believe adding some quality standards that need to be met in order to release a ROM will not only increase the ROMs quality but also filter bad ROMs with devs that do not update their ROMs or just sh*tty ROMs that make no sense at all and I've seen my share around here...
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I'm fed up with the "all-high-and-mighty" attitude some devs (some, not all) have around here in XDA. Let this remind us we were all users once.
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I love you for saying that.
it doesnt matter if one has no idea of making roms . everyone should be
equal so stop looking at devs like they are all-high-and-mighty as well as devs feeling the same
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Anyway, I'd like to propose that quality standards are enforced here on the forums, so when you download something, you know it has to be good since it meets certain conditions. I have some ideas about it, but a discussion is long overdue. Suggestions, anyone?