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There's a chance of me purchasing an Atrix 4G and would like to ask some question beforehand.
1) Why do people say not suitable for Bell device on ROM? Is this the worldwide version? And not AT ver.?
2) How smooth is the screen, I mean when swiping, since I came from a iPhone 4 to HTC HD2 and I didn't like the screen as much.
3) Framerates in games? Any much difference compared to LG 2X (Seem some benchmark like 10fps-15fps average lost etc)
4) Does every or most games work? I mean support the resolution?
5) How would the quality be in 1080p in the future update since its a 5MP camera?
6) How many RAM in bootup? 750ish?
7) Battery life? Heavy & Average
8) I've heard the Atrix can get quite hot like the 1st gen snapdragon? Or is it the battery?
Regards, I'm sure a few have already asked this or looking for the same answers.
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1) Why do people say not suitable for Bell device on ROM? Is this the worldwide version? And not AT ver.?
Ans: ATnT version released first and got i think two updates (mostly bugs fixed) and due to this reason developers started working on ATnT and developing it mostly, but as soon as Global Generic version will release bye bye ATnT.
P.S:Root is available for all devices (bell and ATnT.
2) How smooth is the screen, I mean when swiping, since I came from a iPhone 4 to HTC HD2 and I didn't like the screen as much.
Ans:After a fresh reboot choppy for 5 min max after that no lag at all.
3) Framerates in games? Any much difference compared to LG 2X (Seem some benchmark like 10fps-15fps average lost etc)
Ans:Most of the games are now optimized for Tergra2 so no more FPS problems.
4) Does every or most games work? I mean support the resolution?
Ans:Yeah.
5) How would the quality be in 1080p in the future update since its a 5MP camera?
Ans:I think 1080p recording will be ok. after all it is a mobile phone what u expect a 60fps video ???
6) How many RAM in bootup? 750ish?
Ans:With the help of Android System Information i am able to check that 818mb of ram is showed (must be reserved by GPU and DOC ****) and out of 818 570mb ram is available for user and after usage of 2-3 days i am still having 400+ available ram for usage and no slowing down or lag any ware ever.
7) Battery life? Heavy & Average
Ans:My friend play lots of Fruit ninja on my mobile (1-2 hours straight) and that wont even budge battery. And i use internet via Wifi quite a lot. so Heavy usage 1 day and if u use aveerage (sms calls and email then 1.5-2 days max)
8) I've heard the Atrix can get quite hot like the 1st gen snapdragon? Or is it the battery?
Ans:1Ghz Dual core phone (processor with 6-8 cores {audio,GPU.etc}) little hotness is there not burning hand and stuff.
P.S:heavy usage can even make iPhone warm (personal experience).
Hope this answers ur concerns.
What do you think about this review? GSII won in all of the tests
http://pocketnow.com/android/htc-evo-3d-vs-samsung-galaxy-s-2-video
Personal preference is what it comes down to for every phone and person in the world. There is no such thing as the best phone, just the best phone for each person.
That said, who cares about this review? I like my EVO3D, period. Might another phone be slightly better in some areas, sure. Does it matter, no.
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It won by like one milla second in real world you will not know the difference
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I'll admit that the processor in the sgs2 is better in benchmarks but man he sounded really bias.
What I love about all these Galaxy S II comparisons is the fact that the phone IS NOT YET AVAILABLE IN THE US!!! Carrier variants are known to have differences (HW & SW wise, especially in the US) so the small edge the test unit may have on Evo 3D can easily disappear once the REAL choice is available... just my $0.02
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I'll admit that the processor in the sgs2 is better in benchmarks but man he sounded really bias.
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Is this due to synchronous vs asynchronous dual cores?
Does the "comparison" mention that the Samsungs build quality is the lowest of it's kind?
That the screens have these "weak spots" where it you press it too much they'll go black/dimmer?
They the charger port goes bad VERY quick and need to be replaced probably within the first 6 months.
That the speaker phone ALWAYS sounds like there's plastic film stuck in it?
I've had many Samsung phones, the only one I liked was the VERY first one I ever had back in 2002.
I'm no HTC nuthugger(because fk HTC for not releasing the unlocked bootloader) but HTC builds better phones. Simple.
Will have to revisit the test once the phone is actually available on the Sprint network, with the Sprint bloatware loaded on the Sammy. The GS2 is obviously a good phone, but this test isn't apples to apples.
Sammy sure knows how to make a gorgeous screen though
that superamoled + blows the superlcd on the evo3d away
the person who mentioned carriers will nerf **** too is correct
T-Mobile's Sensation has 7 something mb of ram, the evo's same hardware/phone almost but has 1 gb
Carriers lower the amount of ram to save money all the time, among other things, could result in a worse phone
I don't understand why Samsung insists on not making a good qHD screen tho with it....
Yes, the difference in benchmark scores is due to the differences between how the processors run. (synchronous vs. asynchronous)
on every day use, you cant see a difference between a really good single core vs dual core. Yes when you bench it, you see a difference. I mean we use our phones to use them everyday and bench them every day.
I really doubt you would see the difference between sgs2 and evo3d processor on everyday use.
This is like having a dual chip graphics card and running it on a 17inch monitor and not even use all the power. That is what android is right now, it is just not that demanding. I still highly doubt on every day use you will be able to see a difference between snapdragon dual core or samsung's new processor even with ICS.
I always though the benchmarks where due to the way the cores are set up/different. But I clocked my evo 3d to 1.8Ghz and ran quadrant on the performance governor. The highest I got was 2985. Now if I am correct, both cores should be maxed out due to the governor set by setcpu. If this is the case, the gs2 still beats the evo3d easily, even with the evo3d clocked to 1.8ghz.
I don't feel like this can be correct, but maybe it is? Maybe the exynos are that much better?
Or could it really be that sense 3.0 is a hog? I mean, with the hero, once it is on asop, you see a near 100% increase in scores.
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Is this due to synchronous vs asynchronous dual cores?
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Doubtful since benchmarks that utilize one or both cores still favor the sgs2
hydrogenman said:
Sammy sure knows how to make a gorgeous screen though
that superamoled + blows the superlcd on the evo3d away
the person who mentioned carriers will nerf **** too is correct
T-Mobile's Sensation has 7 something mb of ram, the evo's same hardware/phone almost but has 1 gb
Carriers lower the amount of ram to save money all the time, among other things, could result in a worse phone
I don't understand why Samsung insists on not making a good qHD screen tho with it....
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depends on the person. I personally think that super amoled screens are over saturated, I looked at the droid charge at verizon store and I really didn't like how the colors were on the icons. Yes its a beautiful screen but I myself prefer slcd better, just because it seems like the colors are more naturals on it.
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I always though the benchmarks where due to the way the cores are set up/different. But I clocked my evo 3d to 1.8Ghz and ran quadrant on the performance governor. The highest I got was 2985. Now if I am correct, both cores should be maxed out due to the governor set by setcpu. If this is the case, the gs2 still beats the evo3d easily, even with the evo3d clocked to 1.8ghz.
I don't feel like this can be correct, but maybe it is? Maybe the exynos are that much better?
Or could it really be that sense 3.0 is a hog? I mean, with the hero, once it is on asop, you see a near 100% increase in scores.
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sense probably has something to do with it. It is a resource hog, although it runs smooth, it does eat up a lot of resources.
BlueGoldAce said:
I always though the benchmarks where due to the way the cores are set up/different. But I clocked my evo 3d to 1.8Ghz and ran quadrant on the performance governor. The highest I got was 2985. Now if I am correct, both cores should be maxed out due to the governor set by setcpu. If this is the case, the gs2 still beats the evo3d easily, even with the evo3d clocked to 1.8ghz.
I don't feel like this can be correct, but maybe it is? Maybe the exynos are that much better?
Or could it really be that sense 3.0 is a hog? I mean, with the hero, once it is on asop, you see a near 100% increase in scores.
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I had the SGS2 for 3 weeks and the benchmarks do NOT reflect real world performance. The SGS2 did download web pages faster...by like maybe 3-4 seconds.
The build btw, feels way better than the current ones out...stronger plastic, matted back.
Even the gorilla glass website says our device does not have Gorilla Glass on it.
Love the review.
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on every day use, you cant see a difference between a really good single core vs dual core.
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let me stop you there, and just say you're full of it
This phone has a dual core 1.2 ghz, just came from the Infuse on AT&T with a 1.2 ghz single core. it's fine most of the time, but has annoying lags when it's doing things (installing apps comes to mind, among some others)
The evo's really yet to ever stutter or lag like the Infuse did.
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I had the SGS2 for 3 weeks and the benchmarks do NOT reflect real world performance. The SGS2 did download web pages faster...by like maybe 3-4 seconds.
The build btw, feels way better than the current ones out...stronger plastic, matted back.
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Do you have the evo3d now? How would you compare/rate both phones?
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Do you have the evo3d now? How would you compare/rate both phones?
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It really is preference. I am looking for camera quality and SGS2 is better there so I might be moving there. The speaker quality is really good on S2 also.
But some like the heavier/build quality of HTC better. Many don't like the super amoled Samsung screens. If you love Sense its Htc. (I use launcherPro). The dev community will be stronger undoubtedly for Evo...(although SG2 was rooted immediately.)
But...it is megalight, powerful and yep, sexy.
All that said...might not see it released for a while...some release issues were reported yesterday. Google around.
I am trying to decide between the samsung infuse and the motorola atrix. I'm wondering if the atrix's dual core is an improvement over the infuse's single core.
thanks
I haven't seen anything noticble over other phones, I think at this point it's all about optimizing the os to the hardware. That way most phones run smooth and don't need to be that powerful. Poker even now the atrix I get lags when using the browser or watching some videos. Normal phone usage is comparable to phones with just 1ghz processor like the galaxy s or nexus one.
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I am trying to decide between the samsung infuse and the motorola atrix. I'm wondering if the atrix's dual core is an improvement over the infuse's single core.
thanks
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Well, run a Linpack test and see if the Infuse scores in the 70s. The results to that are the technical answer. Day to day use, I would say it helps, as I have some SetCPU profiles set up to max out at 750 MHz if the CPU temp gets too hot with overclocking (only 1100 MHz at this point), and it is noticeably slower- I would approximate, in my novice opinion, 750 MHz dual core is approximately equal to 1200 MHz single core, if all other things are equal.
i think i am going to go with the atrix. even though the screen is smaller, i feel that it has a lot more room for improvement then the infuse. Knowing how great the community is here, I have no doubt that the duel core and 1gb of ram will be put to good use
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i think i am going to go with the atrix. even though the screen is smaller, i feel that it has a lot more room for improvement then the infuse. Knowing how great the community is here, I have no doubt that the duel core and 1gb of ram will be put to good use
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Good Choice. Honestly, as of right now the dual core is kinda useless, but when you buy any technology you always have to try to be future proof. It does not matter not, but it could matter later.
I would pick the atrix over the infuse, for other reasons. Such as Webtop (through HDMI), Bigger battery, Size (Opinion). The dual core vs single core should not be the central reason.
EDIT: Also the Infuse can currently be overclocked to 1.8 ghz.
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Good Choice. Honestly, as of right now the dual core is kinda useless, but when you buy any technology you always have to try to be future proof. It does not matter not, but it could matter later.
I would pick the atrix over the infuse, for other reasons. Such as Webtop (through HDMI), Bigger battery, Size (Opinion). The dual core vs single core should not be the central reason.
EDIT: Also the Infuse can currently be overclocked to 1.8 ghz.
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are there any custom roms out for the atrix yet? and is there a way to remove motoblur? From what I have read that seems to cause most of the problems.
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are there any custom roms out for the atrix yet? and is there a way to remove motoblur? From what I have read that seems to cause most of the problems.
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look in the dev section....
short answer - yes there are roms
moto blur? sorta... its being worked on
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are there any custom roms out for the atrix yet? and is there a way to remove motoblur? From what I have read that seems to cause most of the problems.
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Yes there are. Right now there around 4+ roms for Gingerbread, expect more when gingerbread officially launches. With CM7 on the horizon.
There are roms that reduce motoblur if not completely eliminate. I am still using froyo with GingerBlur P-ROM have been completely happy with it. It reduces moto blur to almost nothing.
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Yes there are. Right now there around 4+ roms for Gingerbread, expect more when gingerbread officially launches. With CM7 on the horizon.
There are roms that reduce motoblur if not completely eliminate. I am still using froyo with GingerBlur P-ROM have been completely happy with it. It reduces moto blur to almost nothing.
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Same here, battery on 2.3.4 is ****, well for me at least
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Javi97100 said:
Same here, battery on 2.3.4 is ****, well for me at least
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+1
im on ORFR 2.3.4 & battery life is so poor!
hope moto fixed this for the final release!
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i think i am going to go with the atrix. even though the screen is smaller, i feel that it has a lot more room for improvement then the infuse. Knowing how great the community is here, I have no doubt that the duel core and 1gb of ram will be put to good use
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screen size is perfect imo. i had the HD7 and i loved the big sceen the first few weeks, then got tired of it. cool for videos, but thats what my laptop is for lol. its almost imposible to use with one hand, which gets annyoing. thats just a personal preference though.
just wait till they optimize software with our hardware completely, will run smooth as butter. also when/if we get CM7 or other complete ROM.
I had a Samsung Captivate and was able to upgrade, so I looked long and hard at the Moto Atrix, HTC Inspire or the Samsung Infuse. Here are some of my concerns that I weighed:
1) Internal memory - 8GB, 16GB, 16GB (Inspire, Infuse, Atrix) - tie between Atrix and Inspire
2) Program RAM - 512MB, 512MB, 1GB (Inspire, Infuse, Atrix) - Atrix wins this one - less need for a task killer as lot more memory to pre-load without bogging down the phone.
3) Screen resolution - 800x480, 800x480, 960x540 (Inspire, Infuse, Atrix) - Atrix wins this one - I was a little concerned how pixallated the 800x480 might look on the larger screens.
4) Screen size - 4.3, 4.5, 4.0 (Inspire, Infuse, Atrix) - Infuse - if you want the biggest screen
5) Processor cores - Atrix wins this one with 2 cores over 1 core in the other phones.
Also, I saw how long of a delay it was for Samsung to get Froyo out for the Captivate and there was very little info coming from them.
Updates to the Captivate were through the PC program Kies which was a joke - if you are interested in that.
Samsung had no real way to transfer files, etc. between the PC and phone other than USB drive mode.
On the Captivate, the update to Froyo meant that your programs and their data were wiped out. So you had to have something like Titanium, which means you have to root, which means that you void your phone's warranty.
I have been a long time supporter of Samsung phones, who has sold a lot of phones, but I think they have disgruntled a lot of customers and I just wanted to give someone eles a try.
I chose the Motorola Atrix, which I have had for the past week.
Moto provides several ways to transfer files and settings between phone and PC (Moto Phone Portal and Moto Media Link).
The 2 minor updates that have been OTA were effortless and Gingerbread is said to be right around the corner.
I think the features on the Atrix make it a wise choice to have a phone that won't be as outdated at the end of 2 years as the other 3 phones mentioned above (including the Captivate).
Hope this wasn't too long and hope it helps you decide.
Just wondering, I always liked the Espresso Rosie Ports on the OG EVO and perfered the setup of the My touch 4g UI rather than the Sense on the EVO series. I know theyre both sense ui, but if any developer have seen the preview from the Amaze 4g its sick. I've seen posts on XDA on changing the 5MP camera to 8 MP in a flashable mod, and have personal overclocked (well flashed a kernel not developed myself) to 2.0 GHZ, the Amaze is rocking a 1.5 GHZ. So in theory if we had a kernel that was at 1.5 and had a camera that was modded to 8MP, remapped the search button to the Genius overlay and ported the Espresso UI from the AMAZE then we would inturn have an Amaze 3d 4g hybrid. If anyone can look into making this happen I would be more than happy to donate to them. I will be willing to throw 50 bucks to them and beta test as much as they would like. It's sad that I flash several roms (current being MYN's ) everyday and am never happy. Let me know if this can happen, I know our processors are just 3rd Gen Dual Core snapdragons and the Amaze is rocking a s3 1.5 GHZ snapdragon but i can't see the architecture or actual technology be anything more than just a higher clock frequency. Then again I've got dual degrees in Computer Information Systems, not mobile electronics engineering so I might be talking out my ass, who knows! Let me know if this is possible and we can make this happen.
hi,
i know some of you wont bother looking at this "another comparison" thread and most of you will think "this is Xperia S forum, what do you expect us to say" but i have opened the same thread to the sensation Q&A section too..
so my last phones were; HTC sensation XE and One X..
and my criterias are, in the using time order;
1) most of the time i ll be listening music,
2) checking my e-mail.
3) using GPS (i travel a lot and alos live on of the most cunfusing citys in the world)
4) web browsing
5) camera using for the places i travel
6) games when i sm not traveling with my car ..
7) messing with the phone, trying to OC (sometimes to get better everyday experience but to be honest most of the time just to feel the power for ego satisfaction and its not like buying the most powerful phone, its more like watching and making the phone grow stronger in your hands)
the 7 is very little time, ones the occupation occurs i am not playing with my phone anymore, i want it to remain as a good assistant and a journey-mate for me.
according to my needings i crossed out SG Note from the list due to its eMMC bug and screen burn problems.. a phone which is famous with its screen should not suffer from screen problems. and also crossed out nexus for not having FM radio and limited storage option (only 16 in my country), and i also crossed the SGS3 and the HTC One X for one being so ugly and having screen burns, and the other for having lots of problems to get over.. i have waited enough android to get mature and i wasnt willing to wait for a phone to do the same and catch up with its software on the quality side, not in 2012..
so let me get to the quick advantages and disadvantages comparison, this is where i want your help about what i list under and add your opinions..
This is %100 my opinions and please change them and advise me if you think any (or all) of them are wrong
Sensaiton XE over Xperia s
- expendable storage option
- good headphones comes with it
- since its the cuisin of the sensation, it has very big development out there and with the way we can S-off and S-on there is no risk of losing the warranty
- since adreno is not designed for fill rate like mali-400 but its good for effects and balancing the load it gives superp performance on the games with a qHD screen
- and the GPU is also OCable when i feel like the performance is not enough (it was alwasy enough, to be honest but still... you know)
- about the development, i am not talking about having lots of kernels and roms out. i have only used CM9 and ARHD so far. what i am talking about is having s-off and not losing the warranty, and having camera mods to have 1080p videos at 30 FPS/40Mbps and photos like 5 MB, and having bravia engine with ARHD etc..
Xperia S over XE
- XEs screen is almost unusable under sunlight and gets dust collected under, but sony has a perfect screen there is no doubt to that.. (but i am afraid of yellow spots, some people says its coused by heat and the S3 Soc is heating on average usage
- GLONASS GPS support. i never used it so dont know about the real life performance but it must be a good thing to have 2 different satelite type instead of one?
- 12 mp camera is better on the stock comparison but i dont know if it can race with the modded sensation camera (please say yes, because my main choice is Xperia S and i just want to make sure i wont look back once i buy it)
- the UI seems smoother overall and litgher then the sense but still i wonder; how is adrenoa 220 doing with that 720p screen? and will there be OC chance in the future?
- 1 Gb of RAM is sure going to be better than the 768MB one especially when it comes to the multitasking
so to sum up, my main concerns are about the camera and the GPU and the screen.. i feel like "ok sensations screen is not good but it will always be that bad in the future too but what happens if my sony's screen loses its quality everyday just because of regular heating of the device? i have given up from all amoled screens because of that thought.
and the camera, since the memory is constant i can understand sony wanting to reduce the image and size but i want less compressed video and photos, especially at night
and the GPU.. will i feel like i need stop one day admit that my device is not enough for playing the newest games just beause it can not handle the georgeus screen in a year? this really scares me. with the development support of sensation it gets 52-53 FPS on the nenamark 2 without OC with the last drivers but the sony is stock in only 37 (i know it will do every game unless it gets under galaxy nexus since it is the referance device for now but still...)
thanks to everyone who is bothered to read this.. and thank you for help..
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- expendable storage option
- good headphones comes with it
- since its the cuisin of the sensation, it has very big development out there and with the way we can S-off and S-on there is no risk of losing the warranty
- since adreno is not designed for fill rate like mali-400 but its good for effects and balancing the load it gives superp performance on the games with a qHD screen
- and the GPU is also OCable when i feel like the performance is not enough (it was alwasy enough, to be honest but still... you know)
- about the development, i am not talking about having lots of kernels and roms out. i have only used CM9 and ARHD so far. what i am talking about is having s-off and not losing the warranty, and having camera mods to have 1080p videos at 30 FPS/40Mbps and photos like 5 MB, and having bravia engine with ARHD etc..
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1) Do you really need it?
2) urBeats - The worst. ****ing. Headphones. Ever.
3) There is no risk of losing warranty on an unlockable device in most countries (i.e. not India).
4) They XPS and the XE both run MSM8260, since you're likely to root it, the clocks are not an issue.
5) And same GPU too.
6) There's a bunch of camera mods (even though stock camera software is quite nice), Bravia Engine doesn't work on anything that's not Sony stock, just adding those files is NOT enough.
thanks for quick reply. i just got a reply from sensation forum too and it says the games are butter smooth with a little bit of OCing. i have seen only one kernel to OC GPU and then the dev has given up on it due to the reporters say it was cousing porblems..
1) i guess not. 26 Gb with USB OTG will be more than enough i guess
2) why are people saying that? i have been using my phones with their own headphones and it believe the beats auido ones are better than the stock iphone ones?
3) thats very good to know thanks, i hope its same in Turkey too
and 6) i ll check them again never noticed any in a few days,
thank you again
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thanks for quick reply. i just got a reply from sensation forum too and it says the games are butter smooth with a little bit of OCing. i have seen only one kernel to OC GPU and then the dev has given up on it due to the reporters say it was cousing porblems..
1) i guess not. 26 Gb with USB OTG will be more than enough i guess
2) why are people saying that? i have been using my phones with their own headphones and it believe the beats auido ones are better than the stock iphone ones?
3) thats very good to know thanks, i hope its same in Turkey too
and 6) i ll check them again never noticed any in a few days,
thank you again
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2) They might be better than the iPhone stock, but much worse than any actually good ones.