Just got the Skyrocket.. questions? - AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777

Just picked up my Skyrocket about an hour ago. LTE here so far seems pretty sweet. Getting around 15-20mbps download AND upload with 3 bars.
Any questions? I'll probably be making a video comparison between the International GS2 and the Skyrocket soon.

How do you hold a 4 and a half inch phone in your hand? Does it make you feel dirty?

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1334524
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defnow said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1334524
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Taking questions for the VIDEO REVIEW

What processor is it running? Think roms can be easily ported?
The AT&T store by me has the Skyrocket for $149 and Vivid for $99. SGSII isn't being sold anymore (but $199 on the website).

qwertyaas said:
What processor is it running? Think roms can be easily ported?
The AT&T store by me has the Skyrocket for $149 and Vivid for $99. SGSII isn't being sold anymore (but $199 on the website).
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The Skyrocket has a different than that of the International, and AT&T Galaxy S II (Exynos), thus porting is not an easy task.
How is the text sharpness on the Skyrocket, and can you control it with one hand?

hows battery life? Does the phone switch from 3G to LTE like the GS2 switches from UMTS to HSPA when data is needed to save battery life?

jbsg02 said:
hows battery life? Does the phone switch from 3G to LTE like the GS2 switches from UMTS to HSPA when data is needed to save battery life?
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I'm going to do a battery life comparison after a few cycles to give the battery a chance to break in
But to answer your question, it stays on LTE data.. unless there's no signal. No switching between UMTS and HSPA

i got my sky rocket at 12 it is now 7pm and i still have 80% left and i have been running test and downloading and using netflix i dont see this phone as a battery hog AT ALL.
i have not seen it switch out of 4glte at all so far.
even when i have one bar, i get 9mbps when i have 3 plus bars its easily gets 20 plus mbps. and i have seen it hit 44 mbps maybe a fluke who knows though.
this thing flips through the web and runs streaming movies with ease.....sometimes i dont even see the loading bar.

im sorry, so its been confirmed that the skyrocket is snapdragon processor? Also how noticable is the display/pixels compared to the i777?

the2rrell said:
i got my sky rocket at 12 it is now 7pm and i still have 80% left and i have been running test and downloading and using netflix i dont see this phone as a battery hog AT ALL.
i have not seen it switch out of 4glte at all so far.
even when i have one bar, i get 9mbps when i have 3 plus bars its easily gets 20 plus mbps. and i have seen it hit 44 mbps maybe a fluke who knows though.
this thing flips through the web and runs streaming movies with ease.....sometimes i dont even see the loading bar.
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Location?
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cwc3 said:
How do you hold a 4 and a half inch phone in your hand? Does it make you feel dirty?
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I had the Infuse and it wasn't so bad.

Simba501 said:
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Houston TX

I would like to see a comparison of web browsing full html sites with flash enabled. Just curious to see how the two processors compare in a real world situation.

qwertyaas said:
What processor is it running? Think roms can be easily ported?
The AT&T store by me has the Skyrocket for $149 and Vivid for $99. SGSII isn't being sold anymore (but $199 on the website).
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Hold on, are they ALREADY nuking a brand new flagship phone in favor of a slightly uglier brother?

kind of an odd-ball question, and I'm not sure it will help you with your review, but what happens if you put your LTE sim in an older 3g phone? Do you still get data? I am wondering if my backup phones will be useless after I upgrade.

sklinger said:
kind of an odd-ball question, and I'm not sure it will help you with your review, but what happens if you put your LTE sim in an older 3g phone? Do you still get data? I am wondering if my backup phones will be useless after I upgrade.
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Popped it into my SGS2.. works fine

sklinger said:
kind of an odd-ball question, and I'm not sure it will help you with your review, but what happens if you put your LTE sim in an older 3g phone? Do you still get data? I am wondering if my backup phones will be useless after I upgrade.
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There is no new sim. The new sims they released with the first hspa+ phones are lte ready.
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jsntrenkler said:
I would like to see a comparison of web browsing full html sites with flash enabled. Just curious to see how the two processors compare in a real world situation.
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Exactly like the T-Mobile SGS2. The Skyrocket's the same phone with an LTE radio vs. DC HSPA. If you read their forum, the UI isn't as fluid and neither is the browser. There's also some issues with the display because it's the same DPI as the OSGS2 stretched over a larger screen. It also benchmarks lower than Exynos. I'm sure all the happy new Skyrocket owners will disagree. Check out the TSGS2 forum, they've had the phone longer and aren't blinded by love. The online reviews of the TSGS2 frequently compare it to the ISGS2 so you may want to check a few of those out also as they've noted the performance difference.

BarryH_GEG said:
Exactly like the T-Mobile SGS2. The Skyrocket's the same phone with an LTE radio vs. DC HSPA. If you read their forum, the UI isn't as fluid and neither is the browser. There's also some issues with the display because it's the same DPI as the OSGS2 stretched over a larger screen. It also benchmarks lower than Exynos. I'm sure all the happy new Skyrocket owners will disagree. Check out the TSGS2 forum, they've had the phone longer and aren't blinded by love. The online reviews of the TSGS2 frequently compare it to the ISGS2 so you may want to check a few of those out also as they've noted the performance difference.
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I wont disagree but I will say I couldn't care less if it doesn't bench as high. This device is well beyond anything else I've used and still exceeds 90% of what's out there imo. I'm fine with that and I love the larger size.
I've yet to see any lag or sluggish-ness in any app so it all appears equal to me.
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[Q] Samsung 4G

How do you think the Samsung Charge will stack up to the competition? Not that exciting next to other Verizon upcoming LTE enabled devices? Or better than the rest?
Its a galaxy s with a better screen. It has the same internals. The thunderbolt has a better processor and a decent screen. The bionic is going to be a dual core monster and the sgs2 will be out later with the best of all worlds. The charge is a last generation smart phone with a new screen. I wouldnt put my money on it winning any contests.
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Do we know if SGS2 will have LTE modem in it? I hope it does, but the only confirmed model of SGS2 is for AT&T currently. SGS2 4G will make my year.
pcpark87 said:
Do we know if SGS2 will have LTE modem in it? I hope it does, but the only confirmed model of SGS2 is for AT&T currently. SGS2 4G will make my year.
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Well there is a screen shot somewhere showing SGS2 coming to VZW but thats not a lot to go on. Still, I can't imagine they would ignore the VZW market. Likely they will just be months behind, the way the fascinate was to the captivate
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The SGSII will probably on every carrier, seeing as how well that went for the original Galaxy S.
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Am curious whether the SGS II will have Qi (wireless charging) or not
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The SGSII will probably on every carrier, seeing as how well that went for the original Galaxy S.
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This generation is different, though. Verizon, and only Verizon, is pursuing LTE for its next-gen data -- since EVDO sucks and is deeply limited. And since Voice over LTE (VoLTE, which is why I guess all the Verizon 4G phones have the lightning motif) doesn't exist yet and you need 1x and 3G data for full coverage anyway, this means that Verizon models will need two separate radios instead of just being able to swap the GSM chip for the CDMA chip. LTE is even bulkier than WiMax, because it requires a SIM card and MIMO as well.
So while AT&T and T-Mo (if the latter continues to exist) will get something basically equivalent to the SGS2, Verizon and Sprint will end up with a bigger form factor -- like the Epic or Charge. And we'll have to wait a while this time too.
AT&T is going to HSPA+ short term for "4G" and LTE is their long term plan, so they'll need the same LTE radio as VZW phones when they decide to start up their LTE network and phones/devices.
I'm waiting.
If I go 4G, I want more than just 4G. I want dual core, good battery, front camera, better screen, hdmi out, etc.
Since LTE is so new, I may wait a year anyways. I may pick up the Sony Xperia Play so I can have the latest Android with all the above except 4G while adding real game controls.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/02/droid-charge-review/?m=false
They did an ok review. Seems like a Fascinate with 4G.
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superchunkwii said:
I'm waiting.
If I go 4G, I want more than just 4G. I want dual core, good battery, front camera, better screen, hdmi out, etc.
Since LTE is so new, I may wait a year anyways. I may pick up the Sony Xperia Play so I can have the latest Android with all the above except 4G while adding real game controls.
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It is my understanding that 1st year LTE phones will be like 1st year 3G phones; horrible battery life. Reference the Thunderbolt lol
AuroEdge said:
It is my understanding that 1st year LTE phones will be like 1st year 3G phones; horrible battery life. Reference the Thunderbolt lol
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The reviews say the Charge actually has good battery and kills the TB on that.
So why no Charge section at XDA again?
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So why no Charge section at XDA again?
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Its probably because it hasn't officially started selling in stores.
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[Q] Really no LTE or does AT&T not know how to advertise?

I have an Infuse and plan to stay with it until it comes off contract, but I looked at the SGSII page on AT&T's website and it says 4G HSPA+... Really? Is it really only HSPA+? Or does AT&T want to repel all customers by advertising a Ferrari as having a 20HP Ford engine?
LTE is on a different model and comes out later. This one is HSPA+ only.
I'm glad it doesn't have LTE. I like having a reasonably sized phone with good battery life.
Haven't you noticed that Verizon customers are screwed? They get a choice of outdated underpowered phones, or battery-hogging fatties that provide no speed benefits for a significant portion of the population. In fact, apparently many of Verizon's LTE phones don't work well at all in non-LTE service areas.
I won't see LTE anywhere near where I live for years (probably not until my next upgrade cycle at least) so I'm glad this doesn't have LTE.
strychninetwitch said:
I have an Infuse and plan to stay with it until it comes off contract, but I looked at the SGSII page on AT&T's website and it says 4G HSPA+... Really? Is it really only HSPA+? Or does AT&T want to repel all customers by advertising a Ferrari as having a 20HP Ford engine?
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No, it does not have LTE. LTE on AT&T is only available in a very small amount of cities. However, AT&T is not good at advertising just as you are not good at researching....
Entropy512 said:
I'm glad it doesn't have LTE. I like having a reasonably sized phone with good battery life.
Haven't you noticed that Verizon customers are screwed? They get a choice of outdated underpowered phones, or battery-hogging fatties that provide no speed benefits for a significant portion of the population. In fact, apparently many of Verizon's LTE phones don't work well at all in non-LTE service areas.
I won't see LTE anywhere near where I live for years (probably not until my next upgrade cycle at least) so I'm glad this doesn't have LTE.
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+1 10char.
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The guy at the store said that the phone is let capable and can be upgraded by an ota update later on. People have also found out that they have an lte icon in the system too. So its definitely on this phone.
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shadowskorch said:
The guy at the store said that the phone is let capable and can be upgraded by an ota update later on. People have also found out that they have an lte icon in the system too. So its definitely on this phone.
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Your ****ing kidding me right? You can't be that dumb. It's not software related. There is NO LTE modem in the device. Are people seriously this gullible?
They use the same systemUI.apk where all your 3G, H, and H+ icons are located and just change xml's for different devices.
If the guy at the store said you can run iPhone apps, you going to believe him too?
Call me a jerk, asshole, whatever some people just need to be treated like they have no intelligence.
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shadowskorch said:
The guy at the store said that the phone is let capable and can be upgraded by an ota update later on. People have also found out that they have an lte icon in the system too. So its definitely on this phone.
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yep.
SALESMEN NEVER LIE TO MAKE A SALE
shadowskorch said:
The guy at the store said that the phone is let capable and can be upgraded by an ota update later on. People have also found out that they have an lte icon in the system too. So its definitely on this phone.
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Store reps can NEVER be trusted for information like this.
And the presence of icons means nothing. A lot of frameworks are designed in a generic manner to ease software maintenance. We've got bootsplashes for Korean devices in our param.lfs for example.
Woah. Slow down there bud. This isn't my first android phone. I knew i wanted this weeks in advance so i didn't really care whether it had 4g. Now that i see reports of it being a possibility you go ape sh*t on me. You have to chill out.
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Because by marketing regulations, AT&T can call their HSPA+ network 4G.
I'm surprised no one's complaining about TMO's less competent HSPA+ network.
Its just how oil companies can market their stuff as full synthetic as long as they have an X% of synthetic oil in overall volume.
shadowskorch said:
Woah. Slow down there bud. This isn't my first android phone. I knew i wanted this weeks in advance so i didn't really care whether it had 4g. Now that i see reports of it being a possibility you go ape sh*t on me. You have to chill out.
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You didn't "see reports of it being a possibility" - you said it was definitely on this phone.
It is definitely NOT on this phone.
Entropy512 said:
You didn't "see reports of it being a possibility" - you said it was definitely on this phone.
It is definitely NOT on this phone.
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+1 and ill chill out when you educate yourself.
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In the "post your stock firmware " thread most, but not all were identical. Could odd balls possibly have different hardware? I can early upgrade on 10/16 from Infuse. If LTE version comes out wouldn't one be able to disable LTE radio/network like other bands? Would think it also would have hsdpa+ as a fallback??
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shadowskorch said:
Woah. Slow down there bud. This isn't my first android phone. I knew i wanted this weeks in advance so i didn't really care whether it had 4g. Now that i see reports of it being a possibility you go ape sh*t on me. You have to chill out.
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In your post you said it was "definitely" on this phone "because the guy in the store told you" and you wonder why you got skewered?
At$t also has not finished the backhaul on its Hspa+ network, so most places do not even get that.
But the nice thing about hspa+ once it is done everyone will have access to a 21mbps network, that is pretty damn fast.
The no lte does not bother me a bit considering At$t hasn't even completed their +hspa.
smitty1 said:
At$t also has not finished the backhaul on its Hspa+ network, so most places do not even get that.
But the nice thing about hspa+ once it is done everyone will have access to a 21mbps network, that is pretty damn fast.
The no lte does not bother me a bit considering At$t hasn't even completed their +hspa.
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+1 - Couldn't agree more.
bluetoothless said:
In the "post your stock firmware " thread most, but not all were identical. Could odd balls possibly have different hardware? I can early upgrade on 10/16 from Infuse. If LTE version comes out wouldn't one be able to disable LTE radio/network like other bands? Would think it also would have hsdpa+ as a fallback??
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No, the LTE version just entered field testing. It is different sized phone and uses a different CPU (1.5Ghz Qualcomm vs 1.2GHz Exynos) as well. So, there will not be a mix up.
I guess the way AT&T advertises is they write 4G in bold letters with a star which says 4G speeds by HSPA Network.
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At$t also has not finished the backhaul on its Hspa+ network, so most places do not even get that.
But the nice thing about hspa+ once it is done everyone will have access to a 21mbps network, that is pretty damn fast.
The no lte does not bother me a bit considering At$t hasn't even completed their +hspa.
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Is LTE even that much faster than H+'s 21mbps? I don't see the point of getting an LTE phone for that extra speed while it drains your battery. How much speed do you really need to play Words with Friends? I'll stick with H+ phones

[POLL] Are You Guys Switching to the Skyrocket?

Title says it all . Just thought I would set a poll to see where everyone is headed now that the specs have leaked and there are hands on videos surfacing the web.
omg, another post about this?? (although I did vote 'no')
How can I vote using XDA app?
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Menu > Browser
That will take you to the thread you are looking at, but in the browser.
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I hate to admit it as I was very much against switching, but I will be trying the new phone. 4 of my friends are also getting it and we geek out a good bit with our phones so I'm gonna test the waters. Luckily I know that if it's not exactly as I want it to be, I'll now have another 30 days to go back and get my beloved GSII.
No LTE in my city so why change?
No. Really don't see a reason to.
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That phone is too dang big for my dainty hands!
tboooe said:
That phone is too dang big for my dainty hands!
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This is funny reading it on a note!
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Just a heads up to everyone. AT&T Direct Corp stores will have the Skyrocket on sale for $149.99 starting Sunday. This price is good only at their stores, dealers will be the standard $249.99 pricing on a 2yr contract. Verified by 3 sources (2 prev managers I worked with) and 1 random local store.
Kadin said:
Just a heads up to everyone. AT&T Direct Corp stores will have the Skyrocket on sale for $149.99 starting Sunday. This price is good only at their stores, dealers will be the standard $249.99 pricing on a 2yr contract. Verified by 3 sources (2 prev managers I worked with) and 1 random local store.
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Thanks for this, though it seems odd that they would have a sale on a new release like that.
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Thanks for this, though it seems odd that they would have a sale on a new release like that.
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Agreed. They used the verbiage, 'initial launch window' which leads me to believe they're doing this to lure people directly into their stores initially. Not sure how long but it definitely won't be the permanent price. If I can get any more solid info or source material, I'll update - but no promises.
Is that in all markets, or just LTE markets?
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Is that in all markets, or just LTE markets?
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The last rep I talked with said nationwide. The info I got from my local stores and contacts are all close by and not in a current or soon-to-be LTE market.
I am suprised that after the official specs came out that everyone is still going to switch......I wasn't going to anyway, but now I feel even better about my decision.....well bon voyage fellas....and good luck with your new phone.
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tboooe said:
That phone is too dang big for my dainty hands!
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That's my issues with it.
1. I just got the sga2 and the size of it is perfect. When I hold it in my right hand I can very easily swipe down the notifications or if I am typing with it is my ritgh hand and using my thumb I can do it easily and fairly accurately. With a bigger screen I don't know it will fit as nicely, in fact I am pretty sure it wont. I have the bionic and it drives me crazy because it so big and the thunderbolt is the same way.
2. Rom development learning curve. When the lye came out for Verizon there was a tremendous amount of issues ans bugs with data switching from 4g to 3g and half the time you were left without any data. It will not be as easy for the devs to make Roms or even port them because for some it will be a new concept. Right now we have a few great roms to choose from. When the sga2 is out it will be a while until there is a any Roms. If anything I will wait until the last couple of days of my return period which is about 22 days from now, to see the progress of development, before I think of switching. Like I said the screen size is an issue for me. If it doesn't fit as nice as this phone then I definitely wont switch.
3. Battery life- even though the skyrkt has a bigger battery the battery life will be significantly less than what we got. All lte devices have shirty battery life, bionic, thunderbolt etc. I know this because I own them and as you can see which phone I favor because I am writing this post frlm it. The sga2 is by far the best phone out there, tried them all. Any deviation from this phone could possibly make it no longer "the perfect phone". I have not tried the phone yet so at this point I am just assuming, or speculating.
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That's my issues with it.
1. I just got the sga2 and the size of it is perfect. When I hold it in my right hand I can very easily swipe down the notifications or if I am typing with it is my ritgh hand and using my thumb I can do it easily and fairly accurately. With a bigger screen I don't know it will fit as nicely, in fact I am pretty sure it wont. I have the bionic and it drives me crazy because it so big and the thunderbolt is the same way.
2. Rom development learning curve. When the lye came out for Verizon there was a tremendous amount of issues ans bugs with data switching from 4g to 3g and half the time you were left without any data. It will not be as easy for the devs to make Roms or even port them because for some it will be a new concept. Right now we have a few great roms to choose from. When the sga2 is out it will be a while until there is a any Roms. If anything I will wait until the last couple of days of my return period which is about 22 days from now, to see the progress of development, before I think of switching. Like I said the screen size is an issue for me. If it doesn't fit as nice as this phone then I definitely wont switch.
3. Battery life- even though the skyrkt has a bigger battery the battery life will be significantly less than what we got. All lte devices have shirty battery life, bionic, thunderbolt etc. I know this because I own them and as you can see which phone I favor because I am writing this post frlm it. The sga2 is by far the best phone out there, tried them all. Any deviation from this phone could possibly make it no longer "the perfect phone". I have not tried the phone yet so at this point I am just assuming, or speculating.
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Comparing Verizon's LTE phones to att lte phones is that both are different in terms the phones. To my understanding that Verizon's phones has 2 radios one for their cdma aka 3G network and the other for lte where Att will only have one except their lte is going to be more then likely a different band but since lte is gsm, should not need another radio. So trying to compare verizon's lte to 3g switch off is not going to be the same as att lte which from what I have been reading about will be running on 700 and 1700 mhz bands which is probably why att will not have as many problems as verizon since att currently uses for their Hspa *3G* and Hspa+ *4G as marketed* runs off 850 and 1900 mhz bands, so building an lte radio to run quad band should not be an issue and then running a quad band for 2G should not be an issue in the same radio where Verizon's 3G network as they call it is cdma and their lte network should be running off of 700 mhz and 1700 mhz as well as falls back to cdma. The issue I can see happening with att is the 3G/4G/LTE back to Edge aka 2G will cause dropped calls and slow data or no data, like it does from hspa/hspa+ back to Edge. My sgs2 has been proven otherwise but it still can happen because the handoff is not perfect.
I am not sure if battery life is going to take a serious hit as I do not have lte in my area at the moment with att but what would have been nice to test the skyrocket compared to the og sgs2 if both were running the same cpu, that would be the true test. A good test would be the T-mobile sgs2 versus the skyrocket, that would be a way to see if the battery life takes a hit since both phones are similar in specs.
HTH,
Charlie
I had a snapdragon in my Sony Xperia. It was a good starter phone. I am very happy with my Galaxy S II. No need yo upgrade to something less.
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dmnall said:
Comparing Verizon's LTE phones to att lte phones is that both are different in terms the phones. To my understanding that Verizon's phones has 2 radios one for their cdma aka 3G network and the other for lte where Att will only have one except their lte is going to be more then likely a different band but since lte is gsm, should not need another radio. So trying to compare verizon's lte to 3g switch off is not going to be the same as att lte which from what I have been reading about will be running on 700 and 1700 mhz bands which is probably why att will not have as many problems as verizon since att currently uses for their Hspa *3G* and Hspa+ *4G as marketed* runs off 850 and 1900 mhz bands, so building an lte radio to run quad band should not be an issue and then running a quad band for 2G should not be an issue in the same radio where Verizon's 3G network as they call it is cdma and their lte network should be running off of 700 mhz and 1700 mhz as well as falls back to cdma. The issue I can see happening with att is the 3G/4G/LTE back to Edge aka 2G will cause dropped calls and slow data or no data, like it does from hspa/hspa+ back to Edge. My sgs2 has been proven otherwise but it still can happen because the handoff is not perfect.
I am not sure if battery life is going to take a serious hit as I do not have lte in my area at the moment with att but what would have been nice to test the skyrocket compared to the og sgs2 if both were running the same cpu, that would be the true test. A good test would be the T-mobile sgs2 versus the skyrocket, that would be a way to see if the battery life takes a hit since both phones are similar in specs.
HTH,
Charlie
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I did not know that about the radios. Good to know
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I think skyrocket is running a Qualcomm SoC, not good choice compared to Exynos.

T-Mobile 4G LTE ????

I searched the forums and didn't see a post like this......
So I have talked to a couple representatives from T-Mobile and it has been confirmed that T-Mobile will be acquiring LTE service sometime next year. One rep told me next spring, the other one told me they don't know.
So I'm just going to wait until the day T-Mobile gets LTE then use my upgrade on an LTE phone.
I honestly can't wait!
Have you ever heard of the concept of diminishing returns? At some point increasing the speed of data will give an increase of experience that is so tiny that you won't notice it.. the biggest bottleneck in our data speed is the app that we use to access that data, and the system itself.
With a few build.prop tweaks I consistently get over 18mbs download and 3mbs upload - how much faster can it get? Will a page loading .03 a second faster at higher speeds be worth the battery drain of TRUE lte? Unless the browsing app and the system itself get better, faster data speeds won't do anything you're gonna notice - it is 99.9999999% hype to sell you a new phone or service.
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Have you ever heard of the concept of diminishing returns? At some point increasing the speed of data will give an increase of experience that is so tiny that you won't notice it.. the biggest bottleneck in our data speed is the app that we use to access that data, and the system itself.
With a few build.prop tweaks I consistently get over 18mbs download and 3mbs upload - how much faster can it get? Will a page loading .03 a second faster at higher speeds be worth the battery drain of TRUE lte? Unless the browsing app and the system itself get better, faster data speeds won't do anything you're gonna notice - it is 99.9999999% hype to sell you a new phone or service.
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I understand what you mean, but if the speeds are higher, then theoretically, they would be able to support more users.
Look at it this way. You have a water hose that is 1 inch in diameter, and you have a splitter that splits the hose 4 ways. On the 4 ends, the rate of flow would be lower than if it was just 1 end. This is our current 4G service.
And now, the LTE. A hose that is 3 inches in diameter. Now, it can split it 4 ways, and get about 3x more performance in each hose (Which as you mentioned, is probably unnecessary, since we probably wouldn't notice the difference)... OR you could split it 12 ways and you would get the same performance with 1 inch hose that was only split 4 ways. It now can support 3x more hoses, while delivering the same amount of throughput.
It's not always about speed
At this point I really don't care for LTE specially if it drains my battery faster then what my current juice sucking Amaze does. I do think it's all hype at this point. Also I've been wondering weather I really need a juice sucking tripe/quad CPU on my cell.
There is only so much you can do on a cell phone before its over kill. At the moment I have to carefully manage my 4G, Cell phone signal, WIFI, Bluetooth, Air Plane mode, and have a few well placed chargers at home, car and work just to get through the day with my cell.
I'm not sure what I'm going to doing with a Quad Core or Tegra processor cell phone if I got one. Unless I was playing games on my cell phone which is not that great since it doesn't have a physical keyboard a la Xperia play or Droid 2.
I guess that if you watch a lot of videos online the extra speed might be a plus but then again the screen is kind of small and it would kill the battery quick. Right now even a quick game of angry birds or Zombies vs plants zaps the battery life. I guess that if you tether your cell phone and watch videos on a laptop or a tablet then maybe I can see the positive of having LTE.
I wish T-mobile would instead expand their coverage. At my job they have internal antennas throughout the whole campus for Verizon and AT&T, Metro PCS, Sprint. I asked one of the IT project managers if T-mobile would ever get in on the game and add their hardware so that we could have a better T-mobile signal. He laughed at me and said that T-Mobile doesn't play nice and there was no chance. Good thing we have WIFI at work and I use grooveIP and Google voice as my main communication tools.
At this time I'm more then happy with my Amaze 4G speeds. It seems to be about as fast as my home WIFI. It's definitely faster then work WIFI.
I would much rather see improved battery technology and a better screen. I guess I would have to try out LTE just to see if it was worth it but I highly doubt it. Heck right now seeing full bars on my cell is a big plus and cause for celebration.
A note from a AT&T user:
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Lte reminds me of another acronym: cai which stands for cold air intake.
Yes while lte (and somewhat I have read it's not even true lte???) May be faster on paper, I can tell you its barely noticeable.
Just like a cai, you may be technically gaining a few horses but you won't notice it. I honestly see very little difference between lte and hspa . If any thing else the speed is very inconsistent which attributes to minimal notability in speed.
And after reading how it's not even true lte I am convinced it's just b.s.
Has anyone noticed how call quality has stayed the same for the past 5 years or so?
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rustyxj6 said:
At this point I really don't care for LTE specially if it drains my battery faster then what my current juice sucking Amaze does. I do think it's all hype at this point. Also I've been wondering weather I really need a juice sucking tripe/quad CPU on my cell.
There is only so much you can do on a cell phone before its over kill. At the moment I have to carefully manage my 4G, Cell phone signal, WIFI, Bluetooth, Air Plane mode, and have a few well placed chargers at home, car and work just to get through the day with my cell.
I'm not sure what I'm going to doing with a Quad Core or Tegra processor cell phone if I got one. Unless I was playing games on my cell phone which is not that great since it doesn't have a physical keyboard a la Xperia play or Droid 2.
I guess that if you watch a lot of videos online the extra speed might be a plus but then again the screen is kind of small and it would kill the battery quick. Right now even a quick game of angry birds or Zombies vs plants zaps the battery life. I guess that if you tether your cell phone and watch videos on a laptop or a tablet then maybe I can see the positive of having LTE.
I wish T-mobile would instead expand their coverage. At my job they have internal antennas throughout the whole campus for Verizon and AT&T, Metro PCS, Sprint. I asked one of the IT project managers if T-mobile would ever get in on the game and add their hardware so that we could have a better T-mobile signal. He laughed at me and said that T-Mobile doesn't play nice and there was no chance. Good thing we have WIFI at work and I use grooveIP and Google voice as my main communication tools.
At this time I'm more then happy with my Amaze 4G speeds. It seems to be about as fast as my home WIFI. It's definitely faster then work WIFI.
I would much rather see improved battery technology and a better screen. I guess I would have to try out LTE just to see if it was worth it but I highly doubt it. Heck right now seeing full bars on my cell is a big plus and cause for celebration.
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Ah, but with quad core, you can be in control, and the way it handles processes is more efficient anyways.. and technically there are five cores, and that fifth smaller core can really help make things more efficient.
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LTE sounds nice and I thought the same about 4G neither which are running where I live. I still have to rely on Edge(2G) for my data. AT&T, Sprint, nor Verizon have their LTE/4G services where I live. So T-mobile can say all they want about their network but that won't be selling me any phones anytime soon.
I think T-mobile should focus on strengthening their signal and offering better speeds in all areas before going LTE. In my recent trip to Florida I basically had to stand in one corner of one room of the house I was staying at to get one bar. I ended up just using my BIL's WIFI the entire time. My MIL has an AT&T old school phone and had fine signal everywhere in the house. It was the same way in the parks.... service going in and out constantly while I saw other ppl on their phones just fine. Not to mention that while I am at work I get 2G at best whilst my AT&T coworkers get 4G. One co-worker just switched from T-mobile to AT&T and said he cannot believe the speed difference. I love T-mobile's customer care, and I have had a great experience with them so I hate to leave but if the signal doesn't improve soon I'm going to be forced to make the switch.
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I think T-mobile should focus on strengthening their signal and offering better speeds in all areas before going LTE. In my recent trip to Florida I basically had to stand in one corner of one room of the house I was staying at to get one bar. I ended up just using my BIL's WIFI the entire time. My MIL has an AT&T old school phone and had fine signal everywhere in the house. It was the same way in the parks.... service going in and out constantly while I saw other ppl on their phones just fine. Not to mention that while I am at work I get 2G at best whilst my AT&T coworkers get 4G. One co-worker just switched from T-mobile to AT&T and said he cannot believe the speed difference. I love T-mobile's customer care, and I have had a great experience with them so I hate to leave but if the signal doesn't improve soon I'm going to be forced to make the switch.
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Yeah I also am more concerned with consistent service. Where I live I can get anywhere from 10kbs, yes kbs down, and pretty much nothing up. To about 5mbs down. But about 7 miles from here I get consistent speeds of 28mbs down I'd much prefer that being the norm since that's plenty fast. I'm told the technology that everyone is hoping to move to is more economically sound and should save the user money theoretically. Now whether the companies will pass that savings to us... Who knows. But I'd much rather get service where I currently don't. And data where I only have service like when I camp certain areas
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Also rather see them increase signal with Hspa+ rather than make the LTE switch. I am already getting craptastic battery life and my service is so spotty! I currently have 4G where I work at outside, but I walk 50 yards rather outside or inside the building I get full bars of EDGE. Always a good signal, just completely different speeds.
Have a friend on Verizon and he has an LTE phone and his speeds off the network are crazy fast, but it isn't like off the wall crazy different when I am in a strong 4G area. I have hit mid 20's download and almost 4 upload.
Marketing at its finest IMO.
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I searched the forums and didn't see a post like this......
So I have talked to a couple representatives from T-Mobile and it has been confirmed that T-Mobile will be acquiring LTE service sometime next year. One rep told me next spring, the other one told me they don't know.
So I'm just going to wait until the day T-Mobile gets LTE then use my upgrade on an LTE phone.
I honestly can't wait!
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While lte will eventually take over hspa+ is more than sufficient and in my case here in San Diego it's faster.
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Keylogger_0 said:
I understand what you mean, but if the speeds are higher, then theoretically, they would be able to support more users.
Look at it this way. You have a water hose that is 1 inch in diameter, and you have a splitter that splits the hose 4 ways. On the 4 ends, the rate of flow would be lower than if it was just 1 end. This is our current 4G service.
And now, the LTE. A hose that is 3 inches in diameter. Now, it can split it 4 ways, and get about 3x more performance in each hose (Which as you mentioned, is probably unnecessary, since we probably wouldn't notice the difference)... OR you could split it 12 ways and you would get the same performance with 1 inch hose that was only split 4 ways. It now can support 3x more hoses, while delivering the same amount of throughput.
It's not always about speed
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That analogy is actually kind of weak. Firstly, not all phones will be LTE. Second, just like other spectrums, the more people use it, the slower it will be. I'm all for LTE however, as more use it, the faster 4g signal will be. But if you do aa cost benefit analysis(yes, a science-y term), the amount of extra battery consumption for the negligable amount of increased performance would be bad. Until we have things that require those speeds(maybe torrents), you simply wont notice gains worth the extra consumption.
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I think T-mobile should focus on strengthening their signal and offering better speeds in all areas before going LTE. In my recent trip to Florida I basically had to stand in one corner of one room of the house I was staying at to get one bar. I ended up just using my BIL's WIFI the entire time. My MIL has an AT&T old school phone and had fine signal everywhere in the house. It was the same way in the parks.... service going in and out constantly while I saw other ppl on their phones just fine. Not to mention that while I am at work I get 2G at best whilst my AT&T coworkers get 4G. One co-worker just switched from T-mobile to AT&T and said he cannot believe the speed difference. I love T-mobile's customer care, and I have had a great experience with them so I hate to leave but if the signal doesn't improve soon I'm going to be forced to make the switch.
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I live in Florida, used to be Daytona(central florida area), and now jacksonville.. there are a few miles in between that I lose 4g, but I can testify that the east coast down to Miami actually has pretty great coverage. Jacksonvilles signal strength has been amazing everywhere(biggest city in the u.s. by square miles) except for where I just moved, which is the ffirst time I've Ever experienced drops in signal from 4g to 2g to no signal in a few feet.. but that likely has to do witg the interferance from the very close power grid.
While LTE is a great technology with a lot of potential, and it will lessen the burden on other bandwidth spectrums.. the usefulness at the moment is comparable tto the concept of anything more than a quad core(which isn't fully realized) or more than a gig of ram.. diminishing returns. At this point they need new, bigger, and faster features to sell us new phones, just like rom develpers need new features to make new roms worth downloading. I say if it isn't broke, don't fix it. If you like hype.. buy buy buy. At some point it is like buying a new phone that the only difference is that it has siri(I had to throw that in, lol. All hype )
Edit: software is one of the biggest upgrades at the moment. Upgrading from gingerbread to ics will give a bigger performance boost that a faster processor, more cores, or more ram. Everything from the browser on up will be faster than an upgrade to data speed. Or the hardware specs that are neglected on mobile phones that matter just like a computer. How many threads can the processor handle? What's the NM rate of the processor? What is the sspeed of the ram rather than the total? Or how about upgrades to the gpu rather than Number of cores or the amount of ram?
Specs we see are expressed so simple for the consumer to think it matters. Oh, this phone has a 1.7ghz quad core, it must be better than the 1.5ghz. Oh, two gigs of ram, twice as much as the last one! While the smaller harder to understand specs are completely forgotten.
LTE! Bah!
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Silentbtdeadly said:
Have you ever heard of the concept of diminishing returns? At some point increasing the speed of data will give an increase of experience that is so tiny that you won't notice it.. the biggest bottleneck in our data speed is the app that we use to access that data, and the system itself.
With a few build.prop tweaks I consistently get over 18mbs download and 3mbs upload - how much faster can it get? Will a page loading .03 a second faster at higher speeds be worth the battery drain of TRUE lte? Unless the browsing app and the system itself get better, faster data speeds won't do anything you're gonna notice - it is 99.9999999% hype to sell you a new phone or service.
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I am admittedly a bit of a noob. But I would be interested in learning some about build.prop and what lines can be edited. I guess there is always trial and error, but if someone could point me on the right direction that would be cool.
Edit: nm had time to do a bit of searching
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jaytee20 said:
I am admittedly a bit of a noob. But I would be interested in learning some about build.prop and what lines can be edited. I guess there is always trial and error, but if someone could point me on the right direction that would be cool.
Edit: nm had time to do a bit of searching
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Well, I can save you a bit of searching.. no rom in our development section uses the max speeds(except maybe speedrom), but all of these lines exist in any rom and the stock rom's build.prop - if you have different settings, you are getting lower speeds(higher speeds may be possible, these are just the highest I've tested without reducing battery life that I know work):
ro.ril.hsxpa=5
ro.ril.gprsclass=14
ro.ril.enable.dtm=1
ro.ril.hsdpa.category=32
ro.ril.hsupa.category=7
There are tons and tons of lines you can edit or add to the build.prop.. here are some recent ones from the s3 forums that explain what they actually do http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1769458
There are also some lines in most of our roms that have #comments before them explaining what they do, like disabling checkin services to htc and google, etc.. definitely worth learning tho
The day that data speeds over 5 mbs is "that" important to me is the day i beat myself to death with my own phone
No tweaks and I get average 28 megabits in Austin Texas
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I'm confused about our phone a bit. I thought I had seen that our phone says something about lte in the kernel or somewhere. Why? And I remember faux saying he had disabled it I think
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I'm confused about our phone a bit. I thought I had seen that our phone says something about lte in the kernel or somewhere. Why? And I remember faux saying he had disabled it I think
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It does have LTE listed, you can even find it in the APN settings, but it's completely pointless without the hardware, which our device doesn't have, reason being why faux disabled it.
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It does have LTE listed, you can even find it in the APN settings, but it's completely pointless without the hardware, which our device doesn't have, reason being why faux disabled it.
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So why would we even have it on the software level?
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LG G2 officially revealed today, confirmed for Sprint.

Well the LG G2 is officially announced and LG has announced that the G2 is coming to Sprint.
Sprint Launch Confirmation press release: http://newsroom.sprint.com/news-releases/sprint-to-bring-unlimited-data-experience-to-lg-g2.htm
Official G2 specs: http://www.engadget.com/2013/08/07/lg-g2-officially-announced/
The new device, which runs Android 4.2.2 Jelly Bean, comes with a larger display than its predecessor, packing a 5.2-inch 1080p IPS panel. It also offers a 2.26GHz quad-core Snapdragon 800 SoC. Additionally, you can expect to find a 13-megapixel camera with optical image stabilization (as well as a 2.1MP front-facing cam), 24 bit/192kHz HiFi playback, a non-removable 3,000mAh battery, 2GB of RAM and your choice of 16GB or 32GB internal storage. It'll come in white and black, and LG tells us that the G2 will be rolling out to markets around the world over the next eight weeks, and we have confirmation that all four major US carriers have committed to adding the device to their lineup.
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The specs sounds quite amazing for the follow up to the Optimus G and I'm glad Sprint will be selling the G2.
I've been checking this out on youtube ...and yes she's a beast
I have a question for LG Optimus G owners.
How are the radios in the LG phones? Its seems everyone agrees that Motorola are the best. my HD gets a lot better reception than my Samsung's got. How would you guys rate LG's reception?
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rebretz000 said:
I have a question for LG Optimus G owners.
How are the radios in the LG phones? Its seems everyone agrees that Motorola are the best. my HD gets a lot better reception than my Samsung's got. How would you guys rate LG's reception?
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You will get no useful data by asking that question here. Instead, look for reviews directly comparing the reception of devices in a controlled environment using a Femtocell.
aero449 said:
You will get no useful data by asking that question here. Instead, look for reviews directly comparing the reception of devices in a controlled environment using a Femtocell.
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Really, people can't give their own assessment of the signal strength they get? I'd find that more useful, getting input from people's everyday use then a test. It's like benchmarks. Actual day to day use is much more relevan than a test.
Just got this phone last week because my s3 died. The s3 always stayed on 4g lte everywhere i went in town. This phone goes from 3g to 4g if i go from room to room in my house. It's. Very annoying but i have 14 days to trade this phone back in. I really like this phone over the s3 but the reception it's not on point like the s3. That's just my experience so far.
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bonebeatz1234 said:
Just got this phone last week because my s3 died. The s3 always stayed on 4g lte everywhere i went in town. This phone goes from 3g to 4g if i go from room to room in my house. It's. Very annoying but i have 14 days to trade this phone back in. I really like this phone over the s3 but the reception it's not on point like the s3. That's just my experience so far.
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Yup, that's true. I've noticed that as well. I have the LGOG while there's 3 GS3 in the family. The GS3 holds onto the 4G LTE connection much better while LGOG drops it. It also doesn't reconnect quickly; I've had to toggle airplane mode so that I can reconnect to 4G LTE. I shouldn't have to do that. If the service it available, it should stay connected.
My LGOG doesn't connect to the 4G towers that are in Baltimore City (yes, I do have it set for 4G/3G), I have updated the profile and PRL multiple times, toggled airplane mode on and off multiple times and it stays on a 3G data connection, sometimes the 3G connection is so slow downloads and uploads take a long time. I'm hoping under SoftBank's ownership, SoftBank can vastly improve Sprint's 3G and 4G networks before the G2 comes out. I would love to switch from the OG to the G2 and have better 3G and 4G network performance than what Sprint currently has.
I'm happy with Sprint's new Unlimited Guarantee for Life but would like to see faster and more reliable data speeds on the 3G and 4G networks.
Thanks for the replies. If GS3 have better data connection than LGOG then I may steer clear of it and possibly get the Moto X Developer Edition on VZW.
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Good luck with the x man.
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rebretz000 said:
Really, people can't give their own assessment of the signal strength they get? I'd find that more useful, getting input from people's everyday use then a test. It's like benchmarks. Actual day to day use is much more relevan than a test.
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People can, and have, but at best you're getting limited sample size in unrelated markets to your own with wiggle room for signal attenuation depending on the person's grip, weather conditions, or the structure they're residing in. In short: just about as useful as testimonials for homeopathic remedies.
At worst, you're dealing with different phones reporting different bars for the same signal strength with the potential for different carriers, different protocols (Wimax/LTE/HSPA+), different modem drivers, faulty 3G/4G handoffs in addition to everything I listed previously.
I really hope they decide to throw the G the 4.2 rom thats running on the G2, the features looks pretty nice. The phone itself looks pretty sweet, I like the idea of having the volume buttons on the back. I wonder if LG has improved the camera on the G2?
bonebeatz1234 said:
Just got this phone last week because my s3 died. The s3 always stayed on 4g lte everywhere i went in town. This phone goes from 3g to 4g if i go from room to room in my house. It's. Very annoying but i have 14 days to trade this phone back in. I really like this phone over the s3 but the reception it's not on point like the s3. That's just my experience so far.
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How did you get it so early, international version?
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rebretz000 said:
I'd find that more useful, getting input from people's everyday use then a test. It's like benchmarks. Actual day to day use is much more relevan than a test.
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No, me thinks. Some people live under the cell and have upper quality signal 100% of time and can't tell and difference and could care less if its Moto or Coolpad
Others live in sorts of suburbs, farms, countryside and their signal is poor no matter if it Moto or LG or Nokia.
aero449 said:
reviews directly comparing the reception of devices in a controlled environment using a Femtocell
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Can't find ones. Could point me to test of Moto Atrix HD vs LG Optimus G?
ksweeley said:
Well the LG G2 is officially announced and LG has announced that the G2 is coming to Sprint.
Sprint Launch Confirmation press release: http://newsroom.sprint.com/news-releases/sprint-to-bring-unlimited-data-experience-to-lg-g2.htm
Official G2 specs: http://www.engadget.com/2013/08/07/lg-g2-officially-announced/
The specs sounds quite amazing for the follow up to the Optimus G and I'm glad Sprint will be selling the G2.
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All 4 major US carriers will be carrying the G2 when it hits the States though i don't know if anyone has listed a specific date. (most seem to think early September so that it is top of the heap for a while being king fish with the Snapdragon 800)
My only concern so far is this: I like to run occasionally and I wear my phone in one of those sports arm bands... if the combo power/volume buttons are on the back, won't they be pressed against my arm and therefor prone to accidental presses? They aren't exactly flush with the back of the phone.
ReggieSmith said:
All 4 major US carriers will be carrying the G2 when it hits the States though i don't know if anyone has listed a specific date. (most seem to think early September so that it is top of the heap for a while being king fish with the Snapdragon 800)
My only concern so far is this: I like to run occasionally and I wear my phone in one of those sports arm bands... if the combo power/volume buttons are on the back, won't they be pressed against my arm and therefor prone to accidental presses? They aren't exactly flush with the back of the phone.
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The volume buttons need to be pressed pretty firmly as I understood it, and the Power button is surrounded on the sides, thats how it will not be pushed down on a table etc. Even so, I bet it would be easier to accidently push the buttons when they are on the sides of the phone.
rebretz000 said:
I have a question for LG Optimus G owners.
How are the radios in the LG phones? Its seems everyone agrees that Motorola are the best. my HD gets a lot better reception than my Samsung's got. How would you guys rate LG's reception?
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The radio wasn't -bad-, but Motorola is certainly far better. The trick was to disable scanning for LTE (CDMA only mode), really gave a good boost to the OG's signal and battery,might I add. Since I don't currently live in a 4g area, I had no use for LTE
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Well, Verizon and At&t are getting theirs Sept 12th & 13th. Let's hope Sprint's and T-Mobiles version isn't too far behind.
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toastyc12 said:
The radio wasn't -bad-, but Motorola is certainly far better. The trick was to disable scanning for LTE (CDMA only mode), really gave a good boost to the OG's signal and battery,might I add. Since I don't currently live in a 4g area, I had no use for LTE
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From what I hear the original LG Optimus G had a great radio. 3G performance was of the top devices on Sprint while the 4G ranked just a bit behind GS3. We'll see how this device goes. Motorola is really good with EvDo technology and owned a lot of Sprints legacy equipment on the cell towers. I still haven't seen any device out perform Motorola's Photon in terms of network performance.

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