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Do you think the official netflix app will work on vibrant? Its been reported it will be chip dependant or something like that.
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Only working on snapdragon devices right now.
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What's snapdragon?
dcaples002 said:
What's snapdragon?
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thats the processor
snapdragon ex = nexux one
hummingbird = Galaxy phones
rel500 said:
thats the processor
processor ex = nexux one
hummingbird = Galaxy phones
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Well, almost, galaxy s = a8 cortex, hummingbird is the chip set.
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They should be able to get one for the Galaxy, heck the Ipad is A9 right, so shouldnt be too hard.
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They should be able to get one for the Galaxy, heck the Ipad is A9 right, so shouldnt be too hard.
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Not without some major hackage, it will only work with some drm instructions built into next gen cpu's.
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Im not a tech doctor so please bare with me. What's the difference in processors I mean ****ty phones like the hd7 has netflix. Can someone clear up the smoke?
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erod188 said:
Im not a tech doctor so please bare with me. What's the difference in processors I mean ****ty phones like the hd7 has netflix. Can someone clear up the smoke?
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Its not about performance because the hummingbird processor is superior to the snapdragon, i guess its the next gen qualcomm snapdragon processors. That is the one bad thing about andriod, several processors and andriod versions so longer to make apps compared to ios.
Why are they only developing one for snapdragon processors.... thats BS.... Netflix is a big company and they can afford to make their app available for most if not all devices. I mean it will only work to increase their customer base.
Never really got whey Netflix has been so slow (and continues to be so slow) in developing an android app. Same goes for Hulu.
From what I understand is that netflix will be releasing an app on certain android phones, not all, mainly because they don't want people to hack and find a way to bypass the monthly membership and stream videos for free since android is open source. Not sure how correct that is but that's what I read on an article on android central a while back.
From a purely technical point of view any phone with an ARM Cortex A8 processor should be capable of running Netflix just fine provided it has an adequate data connection (this includes Qualcomm's Snapdragon processors for the Nexus One, EVO, DInc, etc... ; TI's OMAP processors for the Droid X and Droid 2; and Samsung's Hummingbird processors for the Galaxy S and related phones). The problem that is holding them back is incorporating DRM into the devices to suit Netflix's business model. So far, only Qualcomm has struck a deal with Netflix, so right now only phones that use Qualcomm's next generation chipset will be able to use Netflix. This has nothing to do with the performance capabilities of the hardware itself and is nothing more than a business strategy.
This won't be of interest to most of you, but for anyone running PlayOn, they just released an Android app. You can find it here.
The downside for most, is there is a trial for Playon, but after that you have to pay for the PC application. It runs on your home PC and let's you stream Hulu, Netflix, YouTube, etc to Xbox, PS3 (now Android) and others. It's a niche software, but in my case, I use it. You can port forward your router and connect from the outside, but I haven't tried that yet and don't know if I will.
The app itself is in its first release, so it has some downsides that I have seen. It's slow as molasses. It can't find some links sometimes, but when it works and connects, it seems to work well. I consider it to be a beta build. Long story short, if you don't have PlayOn, look if you want, but don't get your hopes up. If you do use PlayOn, try the app, hopefully it will get better.
Note: Allshare will connect and browse PlayOn, but the streams come back in an "unsupported format".
I have used playon outside the home it works fairly well except if you want to FF or rewind.
The Nexus S is the only phone there that does not have the snapdragon, has the humming bird right? So... I am not seeing any hardware difference that would make an effect, if it could play on the Nexus S, should work on Galaxy S devices.
SethHikari said:
The Nexus S is the only phone there that does not have the snapdragon, has the humming bird right? So... I am not seeing any hardware difference that would make an effect, if it could play on the Nexus S, should work on Galaxy S devices.
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I can practically guarantee you that the reason why this works on the Nexus S but not the Galaxy S has nothing to do with hardware compatibility and everything to do with licensing. Whatever is holding back the Netflix app from working on our phones, it's a legal issue and not a technical issue.
It's definitely not a Snapdragon vs. Hummingbird issue because it works on the Nexus S.
Missing Lib Files?...you know the new gtalk has a lib file that goes with it or it doesnt work properly......just a thought.
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Only working on snapdragon devices right now.
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That's not true. It works on Nexus S which has a hummingbird
Well my moms buying me a tablet for my birthday/Christmas present and idk if I should get this one I have it preordered on newegg but idk convince me please
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I say you should wait for Wayne.
What can kal-el+ bring that you missing in Prime?
When it's come to electronic there are always better things around the corner. If you want a tablet now you buy Prime.
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I figured as much!
Yeah then later i will get a new phone as i have an upgrade waiting im just waiting for sprint to release new phones!
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I'd say get the prime and sit on it for 2 years till 2014. That's when the latest ultimate Nvidia chipset will be released called Stark. Even more powerful than Wayne. Nvidia showed there future chart of chips and officially announced the Stark chip. It comes after Wayne. It's said it will be 100x more powerful than Tegra 2. They said that's the equivalent to having 4 Pc cores over clocked to 3.5GHz or faster. Now that's the power I want n will wait for once I get my hands on a prime. I believe in the apple gpu is better thread there is a link someone(jeewong) posted to this info Nvidia revealed. Nvidia has big plans to take over high powered mobile chipsets. Can't wait to see what the future will bring.
There's no real point in waiting for Kal-El+ if you ask me. This time next year, the Cortex A15 processors will drop by, bringing out-of-order execution and ARM's bigLITTLE technology (which uses low power A7 cores much like Nvidia's companion core, but a more sophisticated implementation). After that, processors based on the 64-bit ARMv8 will arrive (my guess is that Stark will be ARMv8, but it's just a guess).
New tech will arrive all the time. If you need a tablet now, buy it now.
i think you should wait
until i get my prime, and then you can order one for yourself.
but as with all tech, there's always something better on the horizon, you need to find something you like, and bite the bullet and enjoy it at some point, and so far the prime looks to be a great tablet.
I dont get it? A ton of EA games = no go; All the gameloft games (now .99) = no go....Its odd
All I can figure is they are not compatible with the HD screen.
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I assume it's due to the higher resolution screen and them not having tested/debugged yet, but that's just my guess.
That was my hunch but they are GNex compatible and the difference isnt that great in terms of pixels....its weird
Hm... I hope I can play Peggle when I open the box with my new Rezound tonight
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That was my hunch but they are GNex compatible and the difference isnt that great in terms of pixels....its weird
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Rezound's 341 ppi vs Gnex's 315 ppi. http://www.slashgear.com/galaxy-nexus-has-curved-pentile-oled-display-21189996/ interesting read.
PowerVR vs Adreno
android fragmentation? :/
i'm sure its easier to port from ipod/ipad since they are powervr gpu's
I doubt it's the kind GPU that is the problem (after all the games are written to an API, not to a particular model of GPU!). I have a feeling they all added support for 1184x720 for the GNex, and never added 1280x720 for the Rezound. Since on the GNex, the software buttons steal 96 pixels.
I agree that it's probably a screen resolution problem. Games that work on the thunderbolt don't work...
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Games that work fine in my Droid Charge don't work either.
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a lot of the new games have cpu architecture requirements. gameloft's support for the galaxy nexus and not the rezound has to do with the fact that it runs on an nvidia processor. the gnex has an older gpu with plenty of proprietary files and source code which makes it easy to develop for.
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a lot of the new games have cpu architecture requirements. gameloft's support for the galaxy nexus and not the rezound has to do with the fact that it runs on an nvidia processor. the gnex has an older gpu with plenty of proprietary files and source code which makes it easy to develop for.
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Nexus has an omap processor.
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So is there anything that we can do to get our phones supported?
It's probably because they're tablet optimized. The Nexus is running ICS, which is for both phones and tablets, so it makes sense that it would get them all.
Edit: I have an ICS rom now, and still can't get these games, so it's not that. Nevermind.
Peggle plays swimmingly!
The EA Scrabble game, on the other hand....
Anyone find a build.prop edit that actually works? I've tried a couple of modifications tonight but none of them worked. I would imagine if there is a workable build.prod we should be able to download and play till our hearts explode. That is not to say the resolution will be spot on, but it should work! But alas, it is not. Ideas?
on my Inc, i did the build prop from the galaxy s 2 and it found gameloft games fine and downloaded and even played them... so i played modern combat 3 on the Inc tonight... yeah it was a little slow, but i bet this phone couldbrock it. either way, I bought it because it was cheap and hopefully soon the rezound will be supported.
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this helps
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1426645
Well for me the Nexus 7 is just too small on the storage and lack of connectivity through HDMI and micro SD so I am probably gonna stick with the Prime which has served me pretty well. Since ASUS made the Nexus 7, is it likely we will see them release JB on the rest of their android lineup?
As the hardware seems to be fairly identical this should be no problem...
I believe it has a mhl port though so there is hdmi
Well I guess, I really just wish though it had a micro SD card and some more storage.
I'm pretty sure it will. I mean... come on, it debuted just six months ago in the US, even later in Europe... And no updates already? It would be crazy.
Since the Nexus 7 is also a Tegra 3 and they had the chance to work with JellyBean for a while now I would expect an update not to far away.
I'm just curious if the UI of the Nexus 7 is a new tablet UI of JB or they just did it to push the Store a bit more into the front on the Nexus 7.
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Since the Nexus 7 is also a Tegra 3 and they had the chance to work with JellyBean for a while now I would expect an update not to far away.
I'm just curious if the UI of the Nexus 7 is a new tablet UI of JB or they just did it to push the Store a bit more into the front on the Nexus 7.
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Yes, it seems a little interesting that they used the phone sort of Android 4 for the 7" tablet. Most 7" tablets I know of use the tablet version of the OS.
I think ASUS will not make jellybean for prime! Way?? Here is 2 new tablets TF300 and TF700..marketing gimmick it is same with Tegra 3 and overclocking prime 1.3GHz, infinity 1.6Ghz
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I think ASUS will not make jellybean for prime! Way?? Here is 2 new tablets TF300 and TF700..marketing gimmick it is same with Tegra 3 and overclocking prime 1.3GHz, infinity 1.6Ghz
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Of course they will. The TF101 got ICS after... a year or so?
They would be CRAZY to dump the 201.
I think they will
I think they will release Jellybean for the Prime and the reason is simple, they seem to not want to dedicate too much time to fix the issues on Prime with ICS, and maybe the experience is smoother with Jellybean, and since hey are already developping for Jellybean it will be more cost effective to work on one OS since the Nexus have about the same hardware as Prime.
i think they will, but im really doubting if asus is ever gonna be able to fix issues with prime
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I think they will release Jellybean for the Prime and the reason is simple, they seem to not want to dedicate too much time to fix the issues on Prime with ICS, and maybe the experience is smoother with Jellybean, and since hey are already developping for Jellybean it will be more cost effective to work on one OS since the Nexus have about the same hardware as Prime.
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Thought about the same. And I bet we are going to get JB before all other Android devices besides Nexus series.
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The Prime will get JB at some point. The real question is whether it will be perform any better than the Prime performs w/ ICS. I doubt it, considering how incompetent Asus has proved to be.
the ICS issues are fixed with androwook
Simple answer - hell yes
Even if not from Asus, which I bet they will, from the dev community for sure. No doubt in my mind.
If I were Asus, I would just bail out on any more ICS efforts... what's the point now that JB is available throw your resources at that and forget ICS for the TF201.
Yes it will come to prime and probably to tf101 too.
Asus actually mentioned this some months ago , they want to be the first again. unfortunally i cant remember where.
Since we have almost the same hardware it will be piece of cake for asus to get it to the prime.
Hopefully a better base!
Didn't had much problems with my prime so far.
We also shouldn't forget that the Google Staff is using the Prime as well for their weekly App & Game review shows. As far as I've read the Nexus 7 doesn't support MHL adapter for HDMI out so they might stay with the Prime for their show and I doubt they want so use old ICS
So far I'm happy with the updates ASUS is giving us. Sure, I had the screen flickering issue for a long time and it took them a while, but at least they give us updates and try to fix the problems which not many companies in the current tablet market do.
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The Prime will get JB at some point. The real question is whether it will be perform any better than the Prime performs w/ ICS. I doubt it, considering how incompetent Asus has proved to be.
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Well, if the current problems are related to software, as in ASUS can't get ICS to work properly on the hardware (T3 SoC), there is now a very good working copy of JB on the same hardware.
One would think it would be far easier for ASUS to take that software, add some ASUS stuff but leave the inner workings the same (and working properly).
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i think they will, but im really doubting if asus is ever gonna be able to fix issues with prime
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Yeah.. It's weird because even that i have a few issues with my Prime i will still say it's the best product i ever touched!
Biggest issue is that sometimes my keyboard dock wont work.. I have to use the tablet without the dock for like 5-10 min. and then connect it to the dock again to get it working
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I think they will release Jellybean for the Prime and the reason is simple, they seem to not want to dedicate too much time to fix the issues on Prime with ICS, and maybe the experience is smoother with Jellybean, and since hey are already developping for Jellybean it will be more cost effective to work on one OS since the Nexus have about the same hardware as Prime.
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Saying that the Nexus 7 has about the same hardware is not that true, the processor, for example, is not the same : our prime has a T30 the nexus a T30L with lower CPU and GPU clock and problably a slower RAM (DDR2) ... http://www.anandtech.com/show/6054/google-nexus-7-mini-review
Whatever the hardware are similar, the prime is not just a 10 inch Nexus 7 : there is a dock, microSD/SD and USB port and probably more we don't know ....
Since our Tegra 3 is better than the nexus 7 one, I think JellyBean will be amazing in our Prime :laugh:
So I stumbled across this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2087129
GPU performance seems to be similar to N10.
Discuss.
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Well, those are great news, if we sort out the throttling problem we should be able to play all of the Tegra 4 games, I thought the difference would be bigger given that we can't decode 4K videos and the T4 can.
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First Tegra 4 GLBenchmark . Discuss.
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What's to discuss? According to Nvidia, Teg4 is now scheduled to appear in a hand-held game console "mid-year." That's six-months later than "Q4 2012" given for “Wayne” when they provided their last update. And they’ve been three to six months late for every SoC they’ve ever released. There's also been no mention of its appearance in tablets or phones. Vizio had a 10" "manufacturing concept" tablet at CES running Teg4 and 4.2 that reporters weren't allowed to use but were shown a 1080P movie playing back. Vizio said they haven’t even committed to building it yet so it’s not a real device.
So by the time Teg4 ships in some form Teg3 will be eighteen months old which in "chip years" is a decade. It has become the go-to SoC for cheap tablets. Exynos 5 Quad and Krait v3 (an enhanced S4 Pro) will both be out in Q1. LG and HTC used Teg3 in one phone each and have both moved on to Qualcomm. Samsung's on record as saying "we have no relationship with Nvidia" so there goes 70% of the Android market. So by the time Teg4 finally arrives will any of the OEM's care? And Nvidia's funky proprietary graphics and low-level power control drivers screwed up the launch of both Asus tablets and the Teg3 One X. Unless it's cheap what problem is it solving for anyone? Nvidia’s so under-resourced and so far behind Qualcomm and Samsung (who now has extra capacity since Apple’s moving to TSMC) that I think they’re bordering on irrelevant in mobile devices.
Here's what the press said about Nvidia's launch event today. They weren't impressed.
http://www.zdnet.com/nvidias-ces-2013-clunker-its-not-easy-going-cloud-7000009470/
Barry, would it be fair to say that the reason nVidia is 'late' may be due to their release cycle being meant for OEMs, not consumers?
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...if we sort out the throttling problem we should be able to play all of the Tegra 4 games
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Unless said Tegra 4 games are THD/Tegra-exclusive, in which case, the N10 won't be able to run them :/
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Unless said Tegra 4 games are THD/Tegra-exclusive, in which case, the N10 won't be able to run them :/
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With a small game files edit all Tegra exclusives run on other chips.
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Barry, would it be fair to say that the reason nVidia is 'late' may be due to their release cycle being meant for OEMs, not consumers?
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Possibly but regardless they are late to the game with tegra as the other chip makers are moving on to their next thing. Nvidia isn't up to speed when it comes to the mobile space which right now is advancing rapidly like desktop space did years ago before things settled down. Mobile space these days if you don't get out first or second then your screwed, the mobile space is making small leaps every 8-12 months not the 12-18 nvidia is use to.
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Considering nVidia's history of hyping their below average GPUs like hell months before it's release, this doesn't really surprise me..
Tegra 2 only lasted for 6-9 months and now Tegra 3 has to hold for like 20 months. What's really bugging me is that they get their chip out 6 or more months after Exynos 5 Dual, yet they are similar on GPU performance. Exynos 5 Quad will absolutely destroy it and maybe even the upcoming Snapdragon 800.
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At least T4 finally has dual-channel memory ^^.
Nvidia is always late to market with their Tegra chips. 2 and 3 were both waaay overhyped, especially 2, being the laggy piece of junk that it is. Can't even decode 720p video properly without skipping frames. I'll stick to my awesome Exynos 5.