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I have been a member of XDA some time now. In the time that I have been a member I have used various forums from the Wizard thru the Raphael. I am seeing a transformation in the forum that I think we need to correct. When I first joined, the board was very different from the way it is today. The posts were more technical in nature, with people offering suggestions and posting not only the bugs they found with the ROM’s, but sometimes the fix as well. I feel that the Raphael forum has strayed far from that, to the point where people are just posting and waiting for the chefs to fix everything. I am not saying everyone does that, but it is the majority. There are two things I am concerned about. One, chefs are leaving from being burned out or simply not having the time to keep up with all the requests, Second, the quality of the ROMs. See, if we help the chefs by either resolving our own issues or helping them with bug resolution they will have more time for improvements and refinement. This will lead to the fastest most stable ROMs possible. I think the community needs to go back to the times when people were a little hesitant to just post anything, and actually do research and troubleshooting before bugging the chefs. Any and all comments would be appreciated, either agreeing or disagreeing with me.
-McMex
Amen to that! could not agree with you more....
the problem is that flashing ROMs are too easy now, the tools are too useful, and these VERY powerful tools are now in the hands of kids too immature to research for themselves
I agree with you McMexican. Just had an issue in the Blackstone forum over this exact issue you mention here.
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Here's the issue with XDA lately and it's not just this thread that it's happening. The problem is that everyone reports a bug but noone tries to assist in fixing it. Everyone expects the cook to be all-knowing and be able to fix himself. However, these people have lives as well. They have families and jobs and don't have 24 hours in a day to just sit here on the thread and wait for people to report bugs so they have something to do. So, everyone complains, cries and whines about their issues and never once says what apps they have installed, uninstalled, what regs they have changed or files they have added or deleted and then wonder why the chef doesn't have the issue and why he can't fix it. Then when the chef gets upset. Then, when they do get upset then the "Thank You's" come. Did it ever occur to anyone to thank the chef when the rom worked? No, when it works you don't post and when it doesn't work you post complaints. I wonder why the chef's get upset . Just think about it.
What should happen is if it works, thank the chef or contribute. Damn, even a Thank You goes a long way. If you are having issues, maybe just maybe, report the issue, what you have tried, whatt apps you have installed and what you have uninstalled. Ususally when a chef cooks a rom, they don't install apps to the rom because everything they use is cooked in. Believe it or not, some apps will absolutely kill a rom.
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This is what I posted in that thread but it seems as though it is worth mentioning here as this discusses the exact same issue we seem to be having all over XDA lately.
Agree
I agree with this partly although I'm not sure this is the right place to post it.
Its a free forum and in its nature you will nearly always get this type of thing.
Yes it does burn out alot of the chef's but they also have lives that take on different directions as time moves on and so they come and go.
The bug reporting with no solution must be really pissing our chefs off and it is not just for roms.. I'm seeing it with software enhancements too.
At its core this is still by far the best forum for our devices. I believe XDA has always developed the best ROMS & enhancements for our devices and often take them to places the original manufacturers would never have dreamed of.
I just don't know how something like this can be policed. Nearly all the guys post in their first post something about not asking dumb questions but yet they still get them.
The ones that really piss me off are something like "Just flashed and now blah won't work" with absolutely no details at all.
What I do is leave the 'dumb questions' to the other users of my ROM to answer.. I find the userbase to be generally savvy enough to answer its own questions
The ones that I feel the userbase will not be able to answer easily or in a timely fashion, I post an answer for
It's not that I wouldn't like to have the time to sit there and answer all the 'dumb questions', but my time is better spent doing other things.. and the users don't seem to mind helping each other generally, when it's within their knowledge..
Then again my ROM is a little more hands-on than others, so i've already eliminated a good amount of the 'newbies' by it not being quite so easy to flash
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I have been a member of XDA some time now. In the time that I have been a member I have used various forums from the Wizard thru the Raphael. I am seeing a transformation in the forum that I think we need to correct. When I first joined, the board was very different from the way it is today. The posts were more technical in nature, with people offering suggestions and posting not only the bugs they found with the ROM’s, but sometimes the fix as well. I feel that the Raphael forum has strayed far from that, to the point where people are just posting and waiting for the chefs to fix everything. I am not saying everyone does that, but it is the majority. There are two things I am concerned about. One, chefs are leaving from being burned out or simply not having the time to keep up with all the requests, Second, the quality of the ROMs. See, if we help the chefs by either resolving our own issues or helping them with bug resolution they will have more time for improvements and refinement. This will lead to the fastest most stable ROMs possible. I think the community needs to go back to the times when people were a little hesitant to just post anything, and actually do research and troubleshooting before bugging the chefs. Any and all comments would be appreciated, either agreeing or disagreeing with me.
-McMex
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I agree with you McMexican. Just had an issue in the Blackstone forum over this exact issue you mention here.
Originally Posted by P1Tater
Here's the issue with XDA lately and it's not just this thread that it's happening. The problem is that everyone reports a bug but noone tries to assist in fixing it. Everyone expects the cook to be all-knowing and be able to fix himself. However, these people have lives as well. They have families and jobs and don't have 24 hours in a day to just sit here on the thread and wait for people to report bugs so they have something to do. So, everyone complains, cries and whines about their issues and never once says what apps they have installed, uninstalled, what regs they have changed or files they have added or deleted and then wonder why the chef doesn't have the issue and why he can't fix it. Then when the chef gets upset. Then, when they do get upset then the "Thank You's" come. Did it ever occur to anyone to thank the chef when the rom worked? No, when it works you don't post and when it doesn't work you post complaints. I wonder why the chef's get upset . Just think about it.
What should happen is if it works, thank the chef or contribute. Damn, even a Thank You goes a long way. If you are having issues, maybe just maybe, report the issue, what you have tried, whatt apps you have installed and what you have uninstalled. Ususally when a chef cooks a rom, they don't install apps to the rom because everything they use is cooked in. Believe it or not, some apps will absolutely kill a rom.
This is what I posted in that thread but it seems as though it is worth mentioning here as this discusses the exact same issue we seem to be having all over XDA lately.
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I absolutely agree. Both of these posts describe the reality of the situation. Back in the wizard days for the most part only people pushing the edge of technology bought the windows mobile PDA phones. The same appled to the hermes for the most part. When I moved to the tilt the tides began to turn. Prices of this type of phone began to be more reasonable based upon the technology. More and more companies bagan pushing mail. The internet became more of a requirement than a novelty. Less and less tech savy users began to purchase. These buyers soon learned winmo had a ton of flaws and came to xda. Some spent the time to learn and have become valuable members of the forum. Many did not. They pop in and want us to be the fix all for thier issues. One prime example is GSleon3. How many tilts did he unbrick for people carelessly flashing tilts. When the Fuze arrived the problem only grew. Ive seen more new members in the last 3 months than my entire time on xda. A few of the new members have really taken the time to learn and contribute. MANY have not. I get at least 15 posts a day in my thread asking questions that are answered multiple times in the thread. I get at least 30 posts per day that could easily be answered in at least 1 thread on xda if not dozens.
Most of the chefs in this forum are pushing the limits with cutting edge builds. Da_G has more or less led the way. It amazes me how many users think everything should work perfectly. With all the easy kitchens and premade OEMs so many people think making a good stable rom is easy.
I commend Da_G on pushing the cooking aspect. Hopefully more will realize its not as easy as they think. Ive been at this for years and I learn something new every day.
Over the past month I have grown more and more discouraged. If rom users would spend that extra few minutes to find a fix I could do so much more.
I do however want to thank all of those that have searched, that have, helped,that have answered questions and have done so much to make mine and other chefs roms better
While I do agree with all of what has been stated, and myself to be considered a "NOOB", I really think it comes down to the individual user. I may have asked a question or two (or 30) that may have been answered already before, but I personally try to search and I do try to find the answers myself when I can. I do try and figure the answers myself, but I just don't have the expertise to do so quite often. But myself, I try to make up for my lack of capabilities by way of PayPal to our grear chefs. Others don't truly understand the amount of work that goes into the cooking of ROMS, I am BARELY tapping into that now. I have been visiting XDA for quite some time now and have seen it grow. Unfortunately the user base has grown very large, and it is hard to manage the forums. With there being so many places to find information in this website, it takes time just to locate the information you need. Sadly, I don't see much change unless you start locking down the members capabilities to post, which would defeat the whole purpose of a community forum. As far as it is for the ROM Chefs, a suggestion for you would to not publicly post your ROMs (except in the case of the kitchens, don't do that, I'm addicted!) right away. Maybe put a password on them upon download and have some filtering system or something and maybe only release the password selectively or something. And have a guideline for posters, like your post must contain this: and if the post doesn't have that, then don't even bother responding. Let's face it, we techies with out the tech knowledge are at the mercy of the chefs!
Site is free but maybe some type of short ban on posting for spammer and those who bug chef after three strikes or so by senior member. A chef doesnt cook for just one person he cooks to what you may like. If you dont like a chef rom try another or just go back to dead stock rom bug your carrier. But my idea might be to much work.
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and these VERY powerful tools are now in the hands of kids too immature to research for themselves
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Wow, really? Maybe you were a dumb kid, but I'd like to avoid this stereotype.
The users on threads need to stop asking dumb questions, though. I think a rating system should be implemented like on Engadget. That way every time someone makes a dumb post we can demote them and limit their post count per day
The reason why there is so many nOObs posting is that the Raphael has had such a tremendous success at the carrier level. Almost all of the US carriers have picked up the Touch Pro. So it is very reasonable to surmize that the majority of new users are new to windows mobile and completely blown away by the amazing amount of tweaks available for it.
Maybe the best idea is create special forums designed for Senior Members only to comment in. They would be locked to all others to comment on, but visible for all to see. Then create another set of forums for general discussion. I see absolutely no reason a development forum should be open to all anyway. I often think if I read one more "Downloading now!" post I will scream! So again, I would lock just the development and hacking forums to approved members, or at least make all posts be moderated first before they are posted. That will keep the development threads clean.
I would then load up the non development discussion forums and threads with adwords and advertising and give that money back to the real developers. LEt the nOObs pay for development indirectly through advertising.
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Wow, really? Maybe you were a dumb kid, but I'd like to avoid this stereotype.
The users on threads need to stop asking dumb questions, though. I think a rating system should be implemented like on Engadget. That way every time someone makes a dumb post we can demote them and limit their post count per day
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Is this post really necessary?
Anyway,
I agree with McMex about the types of post but part of the problem is the organization of the information. Idea for you, Subdivide the forum so that the Cooked ROMs could have their own POST that was a sticky and only limited to the Chef for editing (containing information about updates and revisions etc,...). Then maybe create another post for ISSUES ONLY with the Cooked ROM. And then one more for the nonsense that burdens the Chef or other users like me who try and shift through the countless meaningless post by the "can you fix..." crew. This might help keep the organization of the VALUABLE information contained in this forum.
I use XDA to help me stay up on the latest stuff so I can impress the boss and his co-horts into believing that I am a technical wiz (ha!).
Anyway, this is a bit disorganized and polluted but if you take the time to search, read, search some more and read some more you can find a lot of great help here. But it does need some organizing. Maybe if some people would use discretion in posting it might help cut down on the smog, if you know what I mean.
DSmithZ28, I think that we are on the same idea.
Many people here started out as noobs, used what they read, and then became developers. I'm trying to do just that. It would not be helpful to limit what I can see as I would not be able to learn the development process as easily. This wave just has to be ridden out and the community will pick up some more help along the way.
Just thought of this from systematic approach and put it in numbers (guessed at the numbers):
Forum pre-influx:
60% Experienced Members
30% Moderate
9% Noobs
1% Don't know where they are
Forum post-influx
45% Experienced Members
24% Moderate
30% Noobs
1% Still celebrating Obama's election
-What this means is that there aren't enough mid level people ATM to handle all of the tedious questions that the developers shouldn't have to answer. As more noob's gain knowledge, there should be a shift in the paradigm, this will even itself out and lead to another great period for XDA!
One thought, what if there were some type of Pledge or Credo thread that would echo the sentiments of this thread. Make it so the new member cannot post until they've responded "Read and Understood" to that thread.
Whatever happens, I pledge to help people find their answers, as it helps me learn along the way.
I know this probably sounds retarded, but back in the Kasier days, there was a couple of users (Scotchua, McMexican, Mfrazzz, taiser999, crispyj, HDStreetglide, JimmyMcGee, Daveshaw, & rzanolgy just to name a few) who floated around all of the rom threads and answered questions along with giving links and subtle prodding of the search function. Maybe if there were more users who did this, things wouldn't be the way they are today. But it will take more than just a couple of users. It will take the work of everyone. Also, we need more users helping edit the wiki's. These are just a couple of suggestions.
Never a truer word spoken, guys
Definitely agree that the culture's changed around here over the past few years.
I dallied a little with cooking a year ago. I was lucky - I had several people helping me by providing solutions to the problems I had (I'm looking at you McMex there, among others!). Back on the Kaiser, every chef helped each other and there was a hardcore group of users who knew what they were talking about and offered solutions. On the Raphael, we've got an excellent group of chefs co-operating, and there are a few of the hardcore, helpful users but I think they're getting lost in the huge amount of other users who seem to think this is an HTC support forum - they've spent money on their phones and think we owe them!
Have the users changed here, or is it just we've got so many more (unconstructive) users in here that they're being too diluted to see?
My time in the kitchen taught me I was out of my depth, and eternal respect for those people who deserve to be in there!
Maybe a read/search count of couple hundred before you can post in the dev forum? Just a thought. Seems like an easiest solution to implement for now.
@ overjjrk
Lol at the 1% celebrating Obama's election
And back on topic, I vote for a Question and Answers section for every device!
Agreed "at least 100%" to post one.
I started - as everybody did - as a NOOB and somehow I learned fairly good (*cough cough*) how to deal with these devices. I do also try to pick up threads now and then surfing the forum and trying to help (enough praise) but it trips me off BIG TIME that it seems meanwhile that NOOB's barely use the search, have no idea how google is spelled and give up after the first try or EVEN WORSE bump their own threads if the don't receive a quick answer. Good that I can keep my temper but sometimes I'd really like to answer "@@#$%%^&"....
I do like what pages like "blownfuze" or "fuzemobilty" provide for NOOBs because with that information stickies would take at least the first three pages of a subject.
Not sure if it can/will work out but fine tuning the Wiki (without breaking it) may help a bit since we all live from the contributions of each other.
An approach could be a Readme 1st section where either only mods or users willing to take this task, can contribute (guess mods will be overwhelmed since they too have a daytime job) and no replies are allowed.
One of the biggest issues and posts I do see recently is "setup the device to a certain provider". I'm not a cab or software guy but could one of these great people here perhaps come up with an idea to have a CAB which will simply set up the connection setting the that particular provider? There aren't more than 2 dozen major ones world wide so that could bring freedom to the chefs to deal with provider specific settings and keep concentrated on fine tuning a ROM still being open for the whole world.... just one of the ideas.
Let's see how this thread evolves.
how about i just start banning people that don't live in new york?
i think this is a good way to go about things.
How come when a new rom is released a new thread is not always started?
Am I missing something? It's easier at least for myself if your new to a rom to start at the beginning when is about the same rom. When you have multiple roms mixed into one thread how do you know where to start and how do you know peoples questions are about which rom?
Where are these 2 different roms in a thread?
I've noticed it in the development section or it appears that way. Someone will start a thread for Rom 1.0 then add 1.1 into the original post several days later and change the subject to updated on xx. When you look into the post your see several pages prior to the update date.
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I've noticed it in the development section or it appears that way. Someone will start a thread for Rom 1.0 then add 1.1 into the original post several days later and change the subject to updated on xx. When you look into the post your see several pages prior to the update date.
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It HAS to be done that way... the DEV section would be so cluttered with multiples that nobody would be able to find anything. Some switches from 1.0 to 1.1 are as simple as a couple bug fixes. I posted a new thread for each update..... I would have the first 10 pages. Lol.
Its just not logical. That is why there are Change Logs. You know what Build number has what changes.
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As DroidTh3ory said...version increases from 1.0 to 1.1 != new rom release. It's a new version of the same rom with some improvements. So there is really no reason to have a separate thread for that. Not only would it make things messy but some problems and their associated fixes for version 1.0 will probably work on 1.1 which would lead to people asking the same questions in each thread (yes, I know...this already happens on xda as it is but why make it worse?).
The only justification for different threads of the same named ROM would be a 2.2 based rom and a 2.3 based rom (or any major change as such). But in general, devs come up with different names for major changes/releases which warrant new threads.
DroidTh3ory,
I didn't mean to offend if I did I know all developers sometimes create new threads and sometimes they don't. As much time I spend reading the threads I never truly understood why. I've seen some threads go as high as 500 pages and I usually just skip to the posts with the same date as the listed update.
Thanks for the clarification both of you!
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DroidTh3ory,
I didn't mean to offend if I did I know all developers sometimes create new threads and sometimes they don't. As much time I spend reading the threads I never truly understood why. I've seen some threads go as high as 500 pages and I usually just skip to the posts with the same date as the listed update.
Thanks for the clarification both of you!
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Not like that at all... No offense taken. It would be easier on people looking for answers for sure... when a thread gets that long, I think the term "skim" is even used very lighty.
When the bugs and fixes become long extinct ... I think a new thread is justified, at that point it just confuses people.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2035106
I may be tardy to the party but did not see anything about this in the development threads yet. 2swizzle has this posted in the general section so in case anyone was looking for newer source code then what we had before. Snooped around it a bit and dates show 11/15/2012 as last date modified.Have at it devs in case you haven't gotten it already. Here's the link to Samsung if you don't feel like viewing the post
http://opensource.samsung.com/
First, this is not a post to bash the mods, keep that BS elseware as I would like this to be actually read and taken seriously.
Second, to the mods, I understand this could have been sent as a PM but I am not willing to speak for everyone else so I am hoping this gives us an open mature forum to discuss this.
On to my point.
I just read a thread that was closed as "useless banter" because people should "read the threads" about roms before they install them. While I agree with the sentiment I can tell you I nearly always read these threads as they are sources of information that only someone who has read the whole thread, and or run a certain rom may know. This is how I narrow my search for a rom that is good for me. Once I have a feel for what is out there, then I pick a few roms, read about them, and finally try them.
When I first bought my galaxy S3 the first thing I did was to search for "best rom" threads, and from there narrowed down what I wanted. I quickly learned which roms were AoSP and which were stock etc. From there I was able to narrow it down to a couple roms, I wanted stock so I lost no functionality and stability. Over and over "cleanrom" was very clearly what I wanted, so I read about it in the original thread, and checked a couple roms, eventually I did in fact go with cleanrom.
When I bought my note 2 I did the exact same thing, even though Cleanrom was already established I found Beans was pretty similar and read about it.
Later I installed Beans and it just was not for me, so to this day I am still on cleanrom, however I have been "shopping" for a new rom for a while (Scott is no longer developing for the Note 2 after all) and to my dismay I find these threads being closed.
My point is this, there is no way I was going to read more than a couple rom threads with over 3 thousand bloody replies. I have owned the Note 2 long enough that now and then I get around to reading about some of the other roms, but I still have only scratched the serface. As I quoted before the "best rom" threads have been noted as "useless" however one of the first things I look for in a rom is one that is actually based on Verizon's firmware. I do this because not one international rom is fully functional. This is not a dig on them, it is just fact. No one has gotten MMS or signal extenders to work right. You can go through any thread and this question is asked on so many roms so many times it is ridiculous. Personally I much prefer to come to a "best rom" thread and find out what kind of roms are based on stock VZW than have to search through 10 roms looking for the answer... this does not even take into account that half the time I come to XDA lately the search box is missing (does that happen to anyone else?)
Again, I would really like this to be a flame free thread, if you agree with me, well state your reasons nicely, if you don't, please do the same. And on a side note, If the mods feel this thread is inappropriate they will let me know and or close the thread they really don't need your help telling me so
Well Said. While agreeing to show full respect for the Mods and their way of doing things, I could not agree more with you. I find "best rom" threads to be incredibly helpful and have never tried a rom that I didn't get pointed to from one.
They don't have them because it's not a ROM competition nor a site for users. It's for developers. If you've been around the Android game, you have to know how minor group MMS and network extender bugs are, almost not worth mentioning compared to even trying to run CyanogenMod on some phones (including ours!). If you want to be a user on this site, you're expected to do the research. The ROM's built on our SCH-I605VRAMC3 base make it clear they're built on it. Even if the base isn't clear, this stuff is all open-source! Dive into the github and figure it out. If that isn't something you feel you should be expected to do, don't use a development site.
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They don't have them because it's not a ROM competition nor a site for users. It's for developers. If you've been around the Android game, you have to know how minor group MMS and network extender bugs are, almost not worth mentioning compared to even trying to run CyanogenMod on some phones (including ours!). If you want to be a user on this site, you're expected to do the research. The ROM's built on our SCH-I605VRAMC3 base make it clear they're built on it. Even if the base isn't clear, this stuff is all open-source! Dive into the github and figure it out. If that isn't something you feel you should be expected to do, don't use a development site.[/QUOT
While you make a couple good points, I think to box this site (XDA) in as only a "developers" web sight is stupid. There is so much more in these forums. I've been part of XDA since 2009, and I see you've been a member for a few months now. While I am sure you have contributed a truck load in your time and I have just really been on the outside looking in, I have been reading these forums far longer then you have and the majority of posts in these forums are people like me looking for help from people like you. And I will continue to say, that while I respect the decision to ban these types of posts, I think it's a mistake, when you can simply say "what kind of rom are you guys using" and all of sudden it's ok. IT's the same thing. I guess we'll just agree to disagree in the usefullness of these types of posts.
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You can tell by my low post count im a search button junkie. I too enjoy some of those best rom threads.
The biggest problem I guess I had with that threads closing was the reason.
Yes this is a Dev website, but thats a General discussion section. And thats about as general a topic as you can get. I guess if its worded like "I really like ROMxxxx" and a discussion starts comparing or recommendations for other roms is okay. But blatantly asking what rom is your fav isnt acceptable?
Also.. if those thread's are killed, ill be reading about how great v1 of beans is and nothing about v21.
Love the site.. mods will run it how they see fit.. just wanted to chime in, back to lurking.
Cheers
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They don't have them because it's not a ROM competition nor a site for users. It's for developers. If you've been around the Android game, you have to know how minor group MMS and network extender bugs are, almost not worth mentioning compared to even trying to run CyanogenMod on some phones (including ours!). If you want to be a user on this site, you're expected to do the research. The ROM's built on our SCH-I605VRAMC3 base make it clear they're built on it. Even if the base isn't clear, this stuff is all open-source! Dive into the github and figure it out. If that isn't something you feel you should be expected to do, don't use a development site.[/QUOT
While you make a couple good points, I think to box this site (XDA) in as only a "developers" web sight is stupid. There is so much more in these forums. I've been part of XDA since 2009, and I see you've been a member for a few months now. While I am sure you have contributed a truck load in your time and I have just really been on the outside looking in, I have been reading these forums far longer then you have and the majority of posts in these forums are people like me looking for help from people like you. And I will continue to say, that while I respect the decision to ban these types of posts, I think it's a mistake, when you can simply say "what kind of rom are you guys using" and all of sudden it's ok. IT's the same thing. I guess we'll just agree to disagree in the usefullness of these types of posts.
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I've been doing this since the OG Droid, I didn't feel I knew enough to have input until a few months ago. I could really care less if there is best ROM threads or not, but I'm not going to complain about it because they are absolutely not needed. They only serve to reveal subjective opinions and limit new users from using ROM's that might not be as popular or are from newer developers. For example, MIUI-TW is a great great ROM but requires APN edits and more set-up to work compared to something easy like Beans, so it will never be as popular. Now for a new user to come in and never even bother to look at it because of this limits the appreciation that that developer deserves for even getting MIUI ported to our model. It also limits the learning on the side of the new user because they won't try that ROM assuming it sucks rather than it's simply not as easy to set-up as an aroma rom is. All I'm saying is that it's called XDA developers for a reason, it's a great source of information for everyone, but don't expect it to be catered to anyone outside of the development community or complain when it isn't. I'm more than happy it's public, the devs make their work public & free, and then most of the time go out of their way to help the rest of us. I don't need to ask for anything else.
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joshm.1219 said:
vballrkc said:
I've been doing this since the OG Droid, I didn't feel I knew enough to have input until a few months ago. I could really care less if there is best ROM threads or not, but I'm not going to complain about it because they are absolutely not needed. They only serve to reveal subjective opinions and limit new users from using ROM's that might not be as popular or are from newer developers. For example, MIUI-TW is a great great ROM but requires APN edits and more set-up to work compared to something easy like Beans, so it will never be as popular. Now for a new user to come in and never even bother to look at it because of this limits the appreciation that that developer deserves for even getting MIUI ported to our model. It also limits the learning on the side of the new user because they won't try that ROM assuming it sucks rather than it's simply not as easy to set-up as an aroma rom is. All I'm saying is that it's called XDA developers for a reason, it's a great source of information for everyone, but don't expect it to be catered to anyone outside of the development community or complain when it isn't. I'm more than happy it's public, the devs make their work public & free, and then most of the time go out of their way to help the rest of us. I don't need to ask for anything else.
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Your reason is also a good reason to have such threads. A new person not very experienced probably wouldnt want to start with an advanced rom install. However reading about it in a new thread might also help that person decide to try it because someone posted how easy or worthwhile it was to go through the editing or additional steps to install.
And by posting questions of this nature here, in the general section allows us.. the users of those roms, these forums, to answer those questions for devs, and moderators.
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boomerbsg said:
Your reason is also a good reason to have such threads. A new person not very experienced probably wouldnt want to start with an advanced rom install. However reading about it in a new thread might also help that person decide to try it because someone posted how easy or worthwhile it was to go through the editing or additional steps to install.
And by posting questions of this nature here, in the general section allows us.. the users of those roms, these forums, to answer those questions for devs, and moderators.
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That's what the threads are for lol. I mean you just listed exactly what they are. There's an OP with installation instructions. then a bunch of users praising or criticizing the ROM along with answering questions for the devs.
How would jumbling up all of that into one thread be better than separating it into a thread for each ROM?
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joshm.1219 said:
That's what the threads are for lol. I mean you just listed exactly what they are. There's an OP with installation instructions. then a bunch of users praising or criticizing the ROM along with answering questions for the devs.
How would jumbling up all of that into one thread be better than separating it into a thread for each ROM?
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check this thread out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2382148
Its someone talking about how much they like the stock rom, but want features from other roms on the stock rom. in the first page theres 2 rom makers pimping their roms.. and for good reason, their good roms. And do what the OP wants.
Then I actually learned something I didnt know about Beans and Xposed from that brief thread (that is nearly identical to what goes on in "Best rom" threads.
I didnt know about the Xposed framework, and that there are modules for it, theres no link nor real info on Beans main forum post here and Beans thread is 1900 pages deep.
So I got some good info from a small thread that by the very standard that killed off Best Rom threads, I probably would have gone much longer without knowing had it too been closed.
I get the need to maintain the standard on a forum, but thats the heart of any forum.. discussion, and much like life it gets repetitive in nature but its out of those that people new and old can learn things they didn't before. Someone may not be as experienced in Google-fu like us.
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boomerbsg said:
check this thread out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2382148
Its someone talking about how much they like the stock rom, but want features from other roms on the stock rom. in the first page theres 2 rom makers pimping their roms.. and for good reason, their good roms. And do what the OP wants.
Then I actually learned something I didnt know about Beans and Xposed from that brief thread (that is nearly identical to what goes on in "Best rom" threads.
I didnt know about the Xposed framework, and that there are modules for it, theres no link nor real info on Beans main forum post here and Beans thread is 1900 pages deep.
So I got some good info from a small thread that by the very standard that killed off Best Rom threads, I probably would have gone much longer without knowing had it too been closed.
I get the need to maintain the standard on a forum, but thats the heart of any forum.. discussion, and much like life it gets repetitive in nature but its out of those that people new and old can learn things they didn't before. Someone may not be as experienced in Google-fu like us.
cheers
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Xposed is talked about all the time in beans thread. it's a long thread but it just repeats itself over and over. Search is your friend. idk how you expect a best ROM thread to be able to give you more detailed definition about a single ROM. you're assuming that because you happened to catch something basic (Xposed has been on the front page of this site for months and is one of the biggest things to happen in the rooting community this year) in a small thread rather than a big one that it would be easier for you to gather information from a best ROM thread that instead of containing info for one ROM, contains info for all of them and would be a hell of a lot longer than beans ROM thread.
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All users need to familiarize themselves with the links in my signature below.
But more importantly, see this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16682226&postcount=2441
We do appreciate all the wonderful users here in XDA - but! ... This site IS about development, developers, and the journey of said development. Users accepted these rules when they accepted MEMBERSHIP. XDA did not ask you to join, you asked XDA to join and we allowed you to come in.
This is not a support site, nor is this a social media site where people want to know about your feelings and all that stuff. Thus, folks asking about best roms lends toward the site being about support, if XDA allowed it, the site would be full of individual posts asking and no one would ever read or search, which are expectations of members here.
We do, however, allow some off -topic banter so users form alliances and hopefully that better serves development. Other than that, users are expected ALWAYS to follow posting rules.
I would like to clarify first that I am in no way a developer, but rather just an Android tester like many of you. The person to receive credit for this is @zachariahpope for doing this.
He was just gone for a while and I was willing to share for many of your anxious, yet bored users of one of the greatest phones Verizon has had.
Without further ado: http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3/xperia-z3v-android-development/camera-2-0-ported-t3299322
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