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So currently I have a Droid, Droid 2, Droid X, and Droid Incredible... I have been flipping the coin as to if I go back to the iphone 4 for a bit or get the HTC Thunderbolt since I love the incredible and it by far is the smoothest device compared to the iphone.
Today I went to play with the TB and it was kinda laggy, I even rebooted it and closed up all the crap that was running. I know that with roms this will change, however what concerned me the most was...
The UI is HUGE. We have that large screen and the UI is just jumbo, like it was made big for people with poor eye sight.
What I want to know is if there are any DPI mods like I have on my X that makes everything smaller.
I am not going to buy this phone if with all that screen I have to deal with jumbo UI. I did look thru settings and didn't find anything to adjust this.
I need help fellow members! I can't make my decision of TB vs iPhone 4 without your help!
Once we have root, the dpi will be the first thing I change. I'm used to 209. This phone is awesome, BTW.
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Well basically I have until the 24th to decide. I keep getting stuck on how smooth the iphone always runs. However I am getting there on my incredible and this is faster than that.
I think this is substantially better than the iPhone. You will be happy to own one of the best devices ever made instead of a device that is falling behind.
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I also cannot wait to change the DPI. Hopefully custom ROMs will automatically have this set to something more reasonable!
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set to 5 rows and adjust app drawer size and its perfect
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not laggy.. believe me i had almost all the phones lol the tb its a fast device...
might have been because it was a display phone. I have the incredible now with CM 7 on it and it is as smooth as i have seen a droid to date.
I know about the launcher pro thing, but that doesnt change the rest of the UI.
I like to have everything small, so I can use up all that awesome screen.
I just don't know if this is worth while to hop from the droid x/incredible to...
esp no 4g in my area.
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Yeah. Launcher pro is Faster than stock Launcher (IMO) and Lets you customize how many rows and columns you want. Ima just Use LP and Beautiful widgets like I always have. Im not to big of a fan of Sense, although im Curious to what the new Sense has to offer. Cant wait until My TBolt Arrives (ordered online)
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Yeah. Launcher pro is Faster than stock Launcher (IMO) and Lets you customize how many rows and columns you want. Ima just Use LP and Beautiful widgets like I always have. Im not to big of a fan of Sense, although im Curious to what the new Sense has to offer. Cant wait until My TBolt Arrives (ordered online)
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I had the sense from the Z and it wasn't much better. It's better than moto blur, but I still think its crowding.
I need this DPI thing to happen or else I may be tempted to go back to iphone 4
Haven't had a chance to play around with, but heard really good things from my VZW Rep. I get my hands on one tomorrow, so we will see what I think.
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Hey Folks,
I actually own a two years old HTC Hero. I am lovin it, but it is getting old and I have to order a new plan. My first idea was to move to a HTC Sensation, because of HTCs great improvements with HTC Sense and because of the full plastic cover of a Galaxy S2.
But now - I checked some phone reviews and I am not more sure about a Sensation. Sound quality, battery life, display quality....
Is any one moved from a SENSE Phone to a Samsung?
Are u miss Sense or a function?
What's about contacts integration?
Is it similar with a Samsung Phone? Or even better?
Do you ever want Sense back?
Will Samsung provide updates to egg. Sandwich?
What is about the full plastic design - I have my phone in my pants pocket - is there a problem with scratches?
I am very thankfull for any answer...
Greets,
Chr1s
Mhm... I guess I will miss this search hardware button....
Hi
I still have a hero, and then moved to HTC HD 7 and also wanted to move to the sensation, but decided to give samsung a try and I must say I am very happy.
1.. You can update samsung firmwares as soon as they are released by a software called ODIN which is brilliant .. no rooting reqd.
2... If you miss sense you can always use launcherpro plus you can install 'agile lock' from market which is similiar to the sense 3 lockscreen.
3. I for one am happy and would highly recommend it to you.
4. If you check both forums (sensation and SGS2) they both have they pros and cons, so its ultimately your choice
good luck
PS: THanks to ODIN I am already on 2.3.4 when the official is 2.3.3 and not even rooted
I came from the Desire Z and was also considering the Sensation.
No regrets with the S2. The build is fine and I really like how light the phone is.
Can't comment on Sense as I have always run Cyanogenmod7.
As far as flashing goes, it's a whole new game so you will have to read a lot. Imo Htc devices were easier to work with.
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Hey Folks,
I actually own a two years old HTC Hero. I am lovin it, but it is getting old and I have to order a new plan. My first idea was to move to a HTC Sensation, because of HTCs great improvements with HTC Sense and because of the full plastic cover of a Galaxy S2.
But now - I checked some phone reviews and I am not more sure about a Sensation. Sound quality, battery life, display quality....
Is any one moved from a SENSE Phone to a Samsung?
Are u miss Sense or a function?
What's about contacts integration?
Is it similar with a Samsung Phone? Or even better?
Do you ever want Sense back?
Will Samsung provide updates to egg. Sandwich?
What is about the full plastic design - I have my phone in my pants pocket - is there a problem with scratches?
I am very thankfull for any answer...
Greets,
Chr1s
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I bought my HTC Hero way back in Aug of 2009 and I had it for close to two years when I switched over to the beast phone that is the Samsung Galaxy S2. I was sick and tired of Sense and I wanted something that was closer to the look of vanilla android. I really like Touchwiz 3.0, obviously it isn't as user friendly as the Sense ui, but I love the simple look. I always thought this new Sense ui for the Sensation was overkill.
Seriously, people going crazy over the weather app...full screen weather effects with lifelike sound and visuals...are you kidding me? What a fcking waste of ram. I really want to know if people actually sit there and watch the rain and thunder effects...
Two things I miss, the notification LED on the Hero and the HTC keyboard. Not a fan of the Samsung keyboard.
Concerning the phsycal appearance of the phone, I love the sleek, no nonsense design. The back piece is flimsy but overall the phone does not feel cheap at all. The phone, imo feels like its steep price tag. Its just a sleek, stealthy mofo.
The Galaxy S2 is just an amazing piece of hardware, and its certainly money well spent. No buyers remorse whatsoever. Now lets just get this android 2.3.4 update and we'll be good to go.
I upgraded to a sensation. Just under 2 months later I was onto my third which also had problems, so spoke to voda and they gave me an sgs2. I have no regrets. I have used both and imo the sgs2 is way better. Mite not look or feel better but id rather have a good phone than a good looking phone.
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Is any one moved from a SENSE Phone to a Samsung?
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Yes a HTC HD2 running Android
Are u miss Sense or a function?
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Not 100% what you mean here if it's "do i miss sense" then the answer is no.
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similar with syncing with GMail,etc as far as i can see
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Not particularly, HTC Sense is vastly overated and im at a loss as to understand why some people are so obsessed with it, it can be too laggy at the best of times.
Will Samsung provide updates to egg. Sandwich?
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You mean Ice Cream Sandwich (egg sandwich)i don't know but i would assume they will when the times comes.
What is about the full plastic design - I have my phone in my pants pocket - is there a problem with scratches?
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The GS2 has gorilla glass and does not scratch easy,however after spending a small fortune on a phone it makes sense to look after it,i have a screen protector on mine and a protective case,you don't have to get these but your taking a risk,just my opinion anyway.
If you need any more info let me know.
I miss sense a lot, the contacts, friendstream widget, flashlight, dialer, sms, notification pulldown menu, usb connect menu, gallery, keyboard and a lot more they are all a lot better in sense. To be honest now that the htc bootloader is going to be unlocked I feel a bit sorry I didn't get the sensation because the sgs2, even in spite of the superior hardware (in daily use the sgs2 isn't really much faster than the desire anyway) feels like a step back from my desire
Thanks a lot for ur answers.... I will order a Galaxy S2 today....
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I miss sense a lot, the contacts, friendstream widget, flashlight, dialer, sms, notification pulldown menu, usb connect menu, gallery, keyboard and a lot more they are all a lot better in sense. To be honest now that the htc bootloader is going to be unlocked I feel a bit sorry I didn't get the sensation because the sgs2, even in spite of the superior hardware (in daily use the sgs2 isn't really much faster than the desire anyway) feels like a step back from my desire
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Yep mee too..
I really liked sense. You get the phone out of the box switch it on and everything is there and neatly integrated.
true you could have the same experience with a Samsung but that will cost you about 30 euro's on widget's / launcher in the market..
And I had to wiped my phone three times this month.. Never had to wipe the desire...
To get the same functionality that sense gave me I really had to root the phone (never even bothered to root the desire).
The screen of the SGSII is great, the hardware is great, but missing Sense is not so great. Also the volume of the Desire when on headset was way better....
But i really do like the smoothness of everything on my sammy.... (overkill of power) it's way smoother than my desiore, but hey, that phone was an uberphone one and a half year ago.....
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There _is_ a hardware search button on S II. Just long-press the menu button.
I know it is 90%impossible to port Sense 3.0 for SII, but Sense 3.5 is designed to meet requirements of previous HTC phones, so wouldn't it be easier to port?
I just hate TW4.0 but also love the hardware of SII and it would be great if I could have best launcher and best phone.
Zero interest in this myself,coming from a HD2 when i had a sense ROM more often than not there was always lag,only non sense based ROM's had no lag so i cant imagine this would be any different having sense on the GS2,at least with Touchwiz there is zero lag and it's fast!
SII is much more powerfull than HD2. TW4.0 is smooth but I don't like interface that want to be iOS but is not. I love sense widgets and all kind of eyecandy staff from HTC, and I would like to see it on my SII.
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SII is much more powerfull than HD2. TW4.0 is smooth but I don't like interface that want to be iOS but is not. I love sense widgets and all kind of eyecandy staff from HTC, and I would like to see it on my SII.
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Totally agreed. my friend keep showing off his HTC Sense. make me jealous.
"Devs" are currently trying to port it, even though they haven't gotten far. Hopefully DG will be able to help them
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"Devs" are currently trying to port it, even though they haven't gotten far. Hopefully DG will be able to help them
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I hope so. It would be awesome to see my SII with Sense.
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"Devs" are currently trying to port it, even though they haven't gotten far. Hopefully DG will be able to help them
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I really wish they would step up their game. It feels like they are a bunch of unorganised people (esp. the beta testers). The repetitive posting of rules doesn't help get interest in the project either..
why not just try GoLauncher or Launcher Pro...many widgets and themes for both launchers especially GoLauncher... i would like to see sense as well but from what i have been reading thats a dead case not gonna happen..But you never know if a serious dev goes in like DG then hopefully it might work
I think devs should rather focus on the now very soon here Android 4.0. Hopefully the Nexus Prime is a SGS2 with different software, and Google should open source it. From my experience with Sense, it's 80% eye candy. On the HD2 is was much slower than CM7 and brought little additional functionality for the extra lag. Sure the Galaxy S2 is much more powerful, but it doesn't eliminate the problems of Sense. The lag may go away, but the higher battery drain will sure be noticeable. Just try and use a launcher for the widgets, there are lots on the market.
I have a Desire HD and I want get something new, and I don't know if I should buy a new HTC flagship device or the SGS II. I run a Sense 3.5 ROM and ... It is so so function rich. I love the panorama mode in the camera, made some very nice pic already. I love those 3D widgets. But there is the screen of the SGS II... and the battery life.
If it would be possible to run Sense 3.5 on SGS II, I would buy it without a question. HTC is far ahead of any other android device manufacturer in software, and a lil bit behind Samsung in hardware performance.
... and you can't compare a SGS II to a HD2, they're not the same weight
Define what do you mean by good software software? Now as a computer science student a good software has the following features: usability, dependability, efficiency and maintainability, and some other minor but important features.
Now for sense, dependability? Heck no, seeing as I keep on reading these security issues related to their roms where user private information gets leaked to marketing websites. Efficiency? From my point of view, having half of your resources used on just the interface is simply a waste and bad coding. Usability, they sure do pass with that as they have designed a brilliant and intuitive GUI. Maintainability? Well I'd say they're doing a good job in the sense that they are keeping up with the times but I can't really make a sure judgment.
Now for TW. Dependability? I haven't heard or remember any security issue relating to TW except for the Pin code lockscreen workaround/bug for At&t's SGS2. Efficiency? Well considering only a near 1/3 of my resources are taken up, then yes? Usability, as you said it is similar to iOS UI, and iOS UI is pretty damn simple and intuitive itself, so TW is already passing. Maintainability? It is the same with HTC, I am not competent enough to make a sure judgment.
All in all i am simply countering your statement of HTC making software miles ahead of the other manufacturers, which simply isn't true. Note this done not only apply for Samsung, this applies for Nokia/Meego, Apple, Microsoft, etc.
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If it would be possible to run Sense 3.5 on SGS II, I would buy it without a question. HTC is far ahead of any other android device manufacturer in software, and a lil bit behind Samsung in hardware performance.
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If by 'far ahead' you mean 'Fire out phones as if there is no tomorrow and stop supporting handsets after 6months' then yeah...I agree...
I used to have the HTC Hero. My mate had the HTC Desire, Another mate currently has the HTC HD.
The hero stopped getting updates after 6 months (it was stuck on android 1.5 for 5months...thats right, 1.5....).
My mate with the Desire stopped getting updates after around the same time.
HTC spend far too much time splooging out phones every few months and 0.5% percent of their time offering support.
It took 3weeks for me to get a reply from them via email asking if they planned on releasing 2.1 update for my Hero. And even then they didnt answer it, just sent me a generic copy and paste.
The batteries seem to become fried with HTCs really quickly also. When I first got my phone it would last 3 days, after 12 months it lasted a day and a half (after having returned it to a clean slate again, just like when I first got it).
Mates desire lost a day of use time after 9months.
and the HTC HD is getting on a bit also...(mind you, he is running all stock not rooted).
Obviously I dont know how my SGS2 battery will hold up, but at the moment I get a day and a half with all settings on/auto (wifi, 3g, autosync etc), I could stretch it to 2 easy, not bad for a dualcore 1.2ghz compared to my 518mhz hero...
Samsung make a higher capacity battery though, so at least they seem pro-active compared to HTC (when my battery deteriorates I can can get a oem replacement upgrade, HTC Id be stuck with a oem stock replacement which would be crap again after 8-12 months)
That's the reason I have swapped to Samsung.
Interfaces can be changed easily enough (home replacements, rom swaps), hardware and customer service your stuck with.
Agree with the security problems with sense though. and the lag...oh the lag...although i was only running at 518mhz...
I dont see the point in dragging sense over the SGS2 other than to be like "wooo look what we've done!", But I know some people want it so whatever lol.
Rant over.
Hurry up Devs!
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I really wish they would step up their game. It feels like they are a bunch of unorganised people (esp. the beta testers). The repetitive posting of rules doesn't help get interest in the project either..
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You're totally right! These people, the Devs, who are doing this for fun (not money) should totally step up their game! I mean, why shouldn't we get upset at normal people with normal lives taking the time out of their busy days to build a product/software that we otherwise would NEVER get to try?
I totally agree with your statement! Come on Devs, why don't you please "step up your game" so we can ***** some more when we finally do get it and expect it to be the bee's knees . . . .
(Lots of sarcasm in there if you didn't catch that)
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I think devs should rather focus on the now very soon here Android 4.0. Hopefully the Nexus Prime is a SGS2 with different software, and Google should open source it. From my experience with Sense, it's 80% eye candy. On the HD2 is was much slower than CM7 and brought little additional functionality for the extra lag. Sure the Galaxy S2 is much more powerful, but it doesn't eliminate the problems of Sense. The lag may go away, but the higher battery drain will sure be noticeable. Just try and use a launcher for the widgets, there are lots on the market.
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i was running a virtuous sense rom on my G2 and didn't experience any lag.
sense on SGII would be amazing.
Seems to me that for every non-HTC user that wants HTC Sense on their phone, there's an HTC user that wants HTC Sense off their phone...
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If by 'far ahead' you mean 'Fire out phones as if there is no tomorrow and stop supporting handsets after 6months' then yeah...I agree...
I used to have the HTC Hero. My mate had the HTC Desire, Another mate currently has the HTC HD.
The hero stopped getting updates after 6 months (it was stuck on android 1.5 for 5months...thats right, 1.5....).
My mate with the Desire stopped getting updates after around the same time.
HTC spend far too much time splooging out phones every few months and 0.5% percent of their time offering support.
It took 3weeks for me to get a reply from them via email asking if they planned on releasing 2.1 update for my Hero. And even then they didnt answer it, just sent me a generic copy and paste.
The batteries seem to become fried with HTCs really quickly also. When I first got my phone it would last 3 days, after 12 months it lasted a day and a half (after having returned it to a clean slate again, just like when I first got it).
Mates desire lost a day of use time after 9months.
and the HTC HD is getting on a bit also...(mind you, he is running all stock not rooted).
Obviously I dont know how my SGS2 battery will hold up, but at the moment I get a day and a half with all settings on/auto (wifi, 3g, autosync etc), I could stretch it to 2 easy, not bad for a dualcore 1.2ghz compared to my 518mhz hero...
Samsung make a higher capacity battery though, so at least they seem pro-active compared to HTC (when my battery deteriorates I can can get a oem replacement upgrade, HTC Id be stuck with a oem stock replacement which would be crap again after 8-12 months)
That's the reason I have swapped to Samsung.
Interfaces can be changed easily enough (home replacements, rom swaps), hardware and customer service your stuck with.
Agree with the security problems with sense though. and the lag...oh the lag...although i was only running at 518mhz...
I dont see the point in dragging sense over the SGS2 other than to be like "wooo look what we've done!", But I know some people want it so whatever lol.
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Hi all!
first of all, how could you compare a Hero to SGS2??
I had one for a year and was very happy with it! even if HTC didn't push the update to 2.1 very quickly I had it 3 month before with the XDA dev !!! and was working like a charm!, no lag, no massive battery drain...
secondly : "HTC spend far too much time splooging out phones every few months and 0.5% percent of their time offering support." and what about Samsung???
their phones looks like Iphones!!! the plastics are craps !!! and the support is no very good to (I have 3 friends that had some problems with their Galaxy and had to wait 3 weeks before getting it back!)
each time i solicited them i get an answer in less than 2 days!
I'm on a DHD since a year now, with the runny ROM from RCteam, without this security crap, working like a charm! no lag, no battery drain, a full sense experience!
I hope for you guys to get it on your SGS2
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I know it is 90%impossible to port Sense 3.0 for SII, but Sense 3.5 is designed to meet requirements of previous HTC phones, so wouldn't it be easier to port?
I just hate TW4.0 but also love the hardware of SII and it would be great if I could have best launcher and best phone.
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+1 Urgently agree
i would like to try a sense rom on my sgs2 too. just to get the extra dropbox space XD. anyway to do it without sense 3.5?
I have hd2 with 3.5 sense and I liked. I would like to see on sgs2. My be in one day a dev will do this.
Looking forward to getting this, what are my options in terms of rooting, I've got the white model ordered.
I absolutely hate Touchwiz UI and was hoping to stick on ICS CM or Sense, what are my options
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Looking forward to getting this, what are my options in terms of rooting, I've got the white model ordered.
I absolutely hate Touchwiz UI and was hoping to stick on ICS CM or Sense, what are my options
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Ull have plethora of options when it comes to flashing custom roms and customizing the way u like, much more than the hox, just follow the development section.
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mox123 said:
Looking forward to getting this, what are my options in terms of rooting, I've got the white model ordered.
I absolutely hate Touchwiz UI and was hoping to stick on ICS CM or Sense, what are my options
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If you want to follow a root tutorial then I recommend the videos by zedomax on http://galaxys3root.com his videos are really good and he has couple videos of the best roms available for the S3. They are really helpful.
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Have you tried the new touchwiz? Give it a try. It actually works great and doesn't require a lot of resources like other UI, it's not as huge of a memory hog as sense is and quite frankly it gets the job done better than Sense did IMO. I'm a former HOX owner.
True sense is a memory resource hog but compared to Touchwiz UI its beautiful and does the job,
I like the concepts of Touchwiz UI and the "smart" things it can do, but really I want something nice to look at at the same time.
I love Sense 4 and I also love stock ICS, either of those 2 will get the job done, the one X is my fav phone at the moment due to Tegra Zone, S3 will be my second phone of choice. Nothing will change this as this is how I feel about HTC which have tried to do something different whereas Samsung just copy n paste from iOS which I don't really like (apple vs samsung lawsuits come to mind)
Yep I just pre ordered an s3, had the evo lte in my hands about two weeks. I feel like a real asshole for doing this cause I've been with HTC a long time... And I know I'm gonna hate the display comparatively but that being said at least I can take the damn battery out, I think this was the biggest selling point for me... I hate being tethered to a damn cord all the time... So I'm biting the bullet... I don't really know where to start as there are posts all over the place for the 3 gazillion varients of this phone, I can't seem to find a sprint s3 section only as I doubt any of these other roms will play... Root method should be the same though at least for American models??? Little help? Lol, TIF...
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All north American models will be the same. Only difference for the sprint one should be the radio
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True sense is a memory resource hog but compared to Touchwiz UI its beautiful and does the job,
I like the concepts of Touchwiz UI and the "smart" things it can do, but really I want something nice to look at at the same time.
I love Sense 4 and I also love stock ICS, either of those 2 will get the job done, the one X is my fav phone at the moment due to Tegra Zone, S3 will be my second phone of choice. Nothing will change this as this is how I feel about HTC which have tried to do something different whereas Samsung just copy n paste from iOS which I don't really like (apple vs samsung lawsuits come to mind)
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Everyone uses APEX I believer which gives you a stock ICS feel.
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I can live with apex so I suppose it wont be all that bad, but stock menus must go!
I wish there was a sense 4 launcher lol
I don't get all the love Sense gets, it was ugly and outdated 3 years ago, and it's just as bad now, and still ugly as sin, just don't get it, TW or stock are 1000% better
It's not all about sense, it's the developers and build quality. Half the time I run non-sense roms, hell they even have touch whiz running on the lte:-\ that being said, lol, just waiting for the phone in the mail...
What are you navy airborne???
Just joking... 173/101st abnbde here...
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I didn't like the TouchWiz either, had 5 HTC phones before this S3, so I made used ADW EX to make it a whole lot better
Ive had four phones wkth sense. It feels outdated.
Yawn. Touchwiz.
Sense4 is nicer than touchwiz and unlike touchwiz, never reloads or stalls!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1694291
And I do have both phones both stock...Personal preference though. I had gs1 and gs2 and could not wait to replace launchers.
To op. Don't hold your breath on sense for gs3 anytime soon.
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Oh man... I may have to hold off on my plan to upgrade to an N7...biggest question is price... Will they charge another $500+ (that's what I paid for my Flyer), or compete with the N7 & Fire on that level too?
I chose the red pill... Now I'm in the mAtrix and I know Kung Fu... in HD!
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Price points closer to Nexus 7 and Kindle Fire seems like a more feasible marketing tact than taking the "high road" which clearly did not work for the "original" Flyer.
I'm willing to pay more for a higher quality product. But the "race to the bottom" on Android tablet price seems to be the popular business model these days. Low price has resulted in big sales, and popularity has its perks, as more popular devices get better development, and also better support from accessory manufacturers.
I'm not quite ready to upgrade from the Flyer. But if I were, the Nexus 7 would be the lead candidate, and like the OP a new tablet from HTC would possibly be worth considering.
We'll find out on 19th of September
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I have a feeling the 7" Flyer 2 announcement will come at a later date (like next year)... We may hear something about their rumored 10.1", though...
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IP IHI II IL said:
I have a feeling the 7" Flyer 2 announcement will come at a later date (like next year)... We may hear something about their rumored 10.1", though...
I chose the red pill... Now I'm in the mAtrix and I know Kung Fu... in HD!
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If one of the new HTC products is a 7" tablet - I'm in. Nexus 7 ATM has WAY too many downsides compared to Flyer, such as lack of 3G, no SD-card, no rear camera (as stupid as it sounds), no pen, and no Sense UI thanks to which I can use HTC Notes app for my studies when I type the lectures on it. No Android app (besides Evernote itself) can provide such functionality. And, as strange as it would sound, pure Jelly Bean UI just doesn't get me.. as well as the race for the latest technologies (I mean Android 4.1.1).
So, if there is to be a Flyer 2 (or, as HTC usually calls next-gen models, Flyer S or smth like that) - then I could just start saving money up right now.
If HTC is only going to target 10" segment - then I'd be very sad about it, because only Google and Samsung are interested in the 7" tablets
Fatal1ty_18_RUS said:
If one of the new HTC products is a 7" tablet - I'm in. Nexus 7 ATM has WAY too many downsides compared to Flyer, such as lack of 3G, no SD-card, no rear camera (as stupid as it sounds), no pen, and no Sense UI thanks to which I can use HTC Notes app for my studies when I type the lectures on it. No Android app (besides Evernote itself) can provide such functionality. And, as strange as it would sound, pure Jelly Bean UI just doesn't get me.. as well as the race for the latest technologies (I mean Android 4.1.1).
So, if there is to be a Flyer 2 (or, as HTC usually calls next-gen models, Flyer S or smth like that) - then I could just start saving money up right now.
If HTC is only going to target 10" segment - then I'd be very sad about it, because only Google and Samsung are interested in the 7" tablets
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^^Couldn't agree more with alluh that^^
I chose the red pill... Now I'm in the mAtrix and I know Kung Fu... in HD!
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IP IHI II IL said:
^^Couldn't agree more with alluh that^^
I chose the red pill... Now I'm in the mAtrix and I know Kung Fu... in HD!
http://android-gz.com
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Good to know I'm not alone in that opinion
If they'd release it with Scribe and Sense for tablets, it would be great for us as well. Should it get momentum, we could maybe receive an update a-la Galaxy Note 1 users. They just got an update to make the Note 1 UI look more like the Note 2.
I for one have learned the lesson and will never buy a non nexus branded device again. I think that manufacturers need to rethink their strategies and make sure that the devices they offer are easy to upgrade.
If they find no profit in upgrading their existing devices to the latest version of android they should offer an offline image to be downloaded (from e.g htc-dev.com) for a smaller fee. If ICS or JB was available for purchase from HTC I would seriously consider buying it.
The smartphone market is still relarively young but I don´t think it will take long before the market settles and becomes more like pc´s. People don´t want to buy a $500 device that is outdated, software wise, in less than a year.
Nexus is the way to go and I´m sure that Google will prove it soon enough.
HTC's sales are down again, -4% month to month. They are hurting and clearly have not yet learned the lessons.
1. Dump Sense or completely revamp it so that it doesn't hide Android innovation in ICS and JB.
2. Streamline your GUI so that it does NOT hamper your ability to provide Android updates on time and for phones your customers actually own.
3. Remember most customers are stuck with a phone / tablet for 1.5 to 2 years ,not just 4 months.
4. Stop spending millions on PR gimmicks ($300 million on beats audio and you don;t even get a headset with a new phone) and spend a little on updating your current customers.
5. Provide innovation and stop being cheap and screwing your customers and maybe, just maybe they will come back.
I"m betting HTC learned nothing and will price the next tablet with stylus in the range of the Samsung 10.1 Note. ($499) , not the N7 ($199). Let's see.
Killerskincanoe posted this in the "Flyer 2 pics" thread. I thought I'd share here as well... Hopefully they're listening!
http://m.facebook.com/questions/253251231444306/
I chose the red pill... Now I'm in the mAtrix and I know Kung Fu... in HD!
http://android-gz.com
DigitalMD said:
1. Dump Sense or completely revamp it so that it doesn't hide Android innovation in ICS and JB.
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What ICS innovations are hidden by Sense in say, the One X?
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What ICS innovations are hidden by Sense in say, the One X?
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Well for starters HTC seems to think every phone should look like Gingerbread even if its running Jellybean. They haven;t made a major change to Sense in 2 years. The messaging app is not as good as stock ICS , the HTC browser is much worse, slow and crashes occasionally and when Google updates the Chrome browser in month or so, what will HTC do? Nothing as usual. As Android updates components, HTC will again fall behind because they are stuck with Sense components that have replaced the stock versions.
DigitalMD said:
Well for starters HTC seems to think every phone should look like Gingerbread even if its running Jellybean. They haven;t made a major change to Sense in 2 years. The messaging app is not as good as stock ICS , the HTC browser is much worse, slow and crashes occasionally and when Google updates the Chrome browser in month or so, what will HTC do? Nothing as usual. As Android updates components, HTC will again fall behind because they are stuck with Sense components that have replaced the stock versions.
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You compltely dodged the question. It doesnt look like gingerbread, thats how sense is suppose to look. Messaging,browser, is completely irrelevant. Google chrome is installable from ics/jellybean.
I recommend a class of philosophy because all your points are invalid. Lol wow.
I think ics/jellybean on HTC devices strips everything appearance wise that was appealing about ics/jellybean. Sense is very stail. Personally I feel the new HTC devices feel behind the counterparts in the market. Just a personal opinion though
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You compltely dodged the question. It doesnt look like gingerbread, thats how sense is suppose to look. Messaging,browser, is completely irrelevant. Google chrome is installable from ics/jellybean.
I recommend a class of philosophy because all your points are invalid. Lol wow.
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They are completely relevant. You could say google innovated a better UI in ICS, and HTC is holding the messaging and browser apps back. I recommend a class of manners, because all of your points are rude. Lol wow.
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They are completely relevant. You could say google innovated a better UI in ICS, and HTC is holding the messaging and browser apps back. I recommend a class of manners, because all of your points are rude. Lol wow.
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Agree with this. Having recently ditched my flyer for a Nexus 7 and ditched sense on my HOX for cyanogenmod I have to say that the ICS/JB interface is so much fresher than sense, simpler and probably more intuitive. Sense kind of misses the point of android for me by sticking in a load of apps that few people will want or use (sure the weather app is pretty but how about letting me chose if I want it or not?). If it's sense thats responsible for HTC's naff update policy then it should be ditched, or stripped back even further. Frankly the only things I liked about it were the flip clock which is easily replaced, and HTCs contacts app which always handled integration with other apps so well. HTC should look at customer service, build quality and style if they want to differentiate themselves from other manufacturers rather than relying on sense. The HOX for example is (in my opinion, and those of many reviewers) the best looking phone on the market. That differentiates it enough for me, and with "stock" JB on there it flies and feels like a very current device.
DigitalMD said:
Well for starters HTC seems to think every phone should look like Gingerbread even if its running Jellybean. They haven;t made a major change to Sense in 2 years. The messaging app is not as good as stock ICS, the HTC browser is much worse, slow and crashes occasionally
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Have you spent much time on Sense 4 or the One X? To each his own, of course. But I find the opinion that Sense hasn't changed in 2 years, impossible to believe. Sense 4 behaves nothing like the previous version of Sense, much less versions from 2 years ago. And while some of the core aesthetics have been maintained (HTC wants Sense to look a certain way, obviously) many things are overhauled and in significant ways. Much more so than AOSP JB and ICS, in my opinion.
I've never had a single browser crash that I can recall (although the browser is a bit slow), having owned the One X since release in May. And I think the AOSP messaging app is ugly as hell compared to the HTC client (completely subjective, of course). This is coming from someone that has spent a good amount of time on AOSP ROMs on past HTC devices, as well as almost always used 3rd party SMS apps and launchers while on Sense ROMs in order to dodge the HTC versions. But on the One X, for the first time on an HTC device, Sense has really come around and provided a completely fluid, nice looking, and very usable interface. Whether its "better" than AOSP or not is completely subjective. But to say it hasn't changed in 2 years is nuts to me.
You guys are probably already aware, but speaking of the "race to the bottom" on Android tablet pricing: http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/06/amazon-kindle-fire-2012/
With Amazon and Google continually "lowering the bar" on price, its less and less likely that HTC will be able to take the high road and stay competitive. They might not be able to match prices like $159 and offer the quality of hardware they are known for. But they might have to try to stake some territory in the "middle ground" as the number of people willing to spend $500 on a tablet that is not an iPad grows slimmer and slimmer.
Being totally honest.. the only thing I hope from a Flyer 2 is a stable JB rom for my regular Flyer.
My flyer makes me happy in a lot of ways.. the one "depressing" thing about my flyer is the god awful honeycomb task manager.
I don't need the absolute latest and greatest hardware when my flyer can do everything I want it to do barring, google chrome and having a decent task manager.