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Hi to all,
Ever since the release of the Sensation line of devices, there have been a lot of paradigm shifts at HTC, one of which is their willingness to open up to the people who made them what they are today.... us.
With that in mind, if you had questions regarding everything that has been going on at HTC lately (online unlockers, HTCDev.com, OpenSense SDK, etc), what would you ask?
Think of questions and doubts like:
- why is the EVO 3D still S-On even after completing the unlock process?
- why are devices still locked out of the box and require the user to unlock them?
- what's the deal with unlocking and warranties?
- why is HTC slower than Revolutionary?
- what cool stuff can devs do with the new OpenSense SDK and APIs?
Quick note: development related questions are highly encouraged as well!
Please post all your questions in here. I will be making an article in the Portal with the best questions (and hopefully with answers straight from HTC!)
So, fire away.... I will only keep this thread open for about a week or so as I am also posting this in the Sensation forums. Once I gather enough material, I will send off the questions to HTC and will write an article about it shortly.
Happy asking!
egzthunder1 said:
Hi to all,
Ever since the release of the Sensation line of devices, there have been a lot of paradigm shifts at HTC, one of which is their willingness to open up to the people who made them what they are today.... us.
With that in mind, if you had questions regarding everything that has been going on at HTC lately (online unlockers, HTCDev.com, OpenSense SDK, etc), what would you ask?
Think of questions and doubts like:
- why is the EVO 3D still S-On even after completing the unlock process?
- why are devices still locked out of the box and require the user to unlock them?
- what's the deal with unlocking and warranties?
- why is HTC slower than Revolutionary?
- what cool stuff can devs do with the new OpenSense SDK and APIs?
Quick note: development related questions are highly encouraged as well!
Please post all your questions in here. I will be making an article in the Portal with the best questions (and hopefully with answers straight from HTC!)
So, fire away.... I will only keep this thread open for about a week or so as I am also posting this in the Sensation forums. Once I gather enough material, I will send off the questions to HTC and will write an article about it shortly.
Happy asking!
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I think phones will still be locked out of the box just to keep things safe from users that dont know what they are doing. I also think the reason they were slower than revolutionary is a mute point too as it doesn't matter and they likely had more indepth one and had to figure a way to track users that do so to protect themselves from having to service warranty phones b/c people borked them doing stupid stuff.
The MAIN ? That everyone should be asking is WHY the device is Still S-ON and we are NOT allowed to flash anything past a rom. NO custom kernels, no splash screens, no radios too i assume.
I actually asked this to a few HTC reps and got answers that were all over the place. One time the rep responded saying if you do their unlock method you should in fact have S-OFF. BUT that they also offer ZERO support for those unlocking so if you dont show it then they can't help. This was while I was just trying to report that it didn't show S-OFF and wanted to know if this was on purpose or a fix was coming later in an OTA or if this was staying like this.
The same rep later said that unlock process may be full or part, and that he can not tell why or if it will be full in the future.
It clearly states not all devices are supported, not that some will be half unlocked and some will be full unlocked.
He then went on to say again they can't offer any support for the unlock stuff even though that was NOT what i was trying to get at all.
so to end it HTC really needs to be hounded about this issue and needs to issue a release stating WHY the 3D is only getting partial unlock, and when they plan on fixing that. There is little point in being able to tweak the rom if you can't do kernel and the lower level stuff.
The only reason this isn't being brought into a bigger issue is b/c most/all the devs and people that care got the phone before the OTA came out so they are clear of the issues. BUT all the others have to suffer at the moment.
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I think phones will still be locked out of the box just to keep things safe from users that dont know what they are doing. I also think the reason they were slower than revolutionary is a mute point too as it doesn't matter and they likely had more indepth one and had to figure a way to track users that do so to protect themselves from having to service warranty phones b/c people borked them doing stupid stuff.
The MAIN ? That everyone should be asking is WHY the device is Still S-ON and we are NOT allowed to flash anything past a rom. NO custom kernels, no splash screens, no radios too i assume.
I actually asked this to a few HTC reps and got answers that were all over the place. One time the rep responded saying if you do their unlock method you should in fact have S-OFF. BUT that they also offer ZERO support for those unlocking so if you dont show it then they can't help. This was while I was just trying to report that it didn't show S-OFF and wanted to know if this was on purpose or a fix was coming later in an OTA or if this was staying like this.
The same rep later said that unlock process may be full or part, and that he can not tell why or if it will be full in the future.
It clearly states not all devices are supported, not that some will be half unlocked and some will be full unlocked.
He then went on to say again they can't offer any support for the unlock stuff even though that was NOT what i was trying to get at all.
so to end it HTC really needs to be hounded about this issue and needs to issue a release stating WHY the 3D is only getting partial unlock, and when they plan on fixing that. There is little point in being able to tweak the rom if you can't do kernel and the lower level stuff.
The only reason this isn't being brought into a bigger issue is b/c most/all the devs and people that care got the phone before the OTA came out so they are clear of the issues. BUT all the others have to suffer at the moment.
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Interesting points... however, I think you missed the objective of this thread
The questions that you answered are only examples of things to ask HTC, and are not questions from me. I am in contact with someone at HTC and they want to try and get closer to devs, which is why I am posting this here. They would like to know what are our concerns, questions, and comments regarding their doings as of recently.
I will bring your post up with them as I think it was good as well.
Thanks...
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Interesting points... however, I think you missed the objective of this thread
The questions that you answered are only examples of things to ask HTC, and are not questions from me. I am in contact with someone at HTC and they want to try and get closer to devs, which is why I am posting this here. They would like to know what are our concerns, questions, and comments regarding their doings as of recently.
I will bring your post up with them as I think it was good as well.
Thanks...
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Yeah well then limit what I said to the S-ON point and please find out if thats going to be fixed or if its something we will have to live with in regards to the unlock method. I think its rediculous to provide a half unlock that doesn't allow flashing of custom kernels, radios, and splash screens.
the more I think about it i dont think I missed the point of your thread really though. As what I stated is a "...concern, question, and comments..." toward them.
I do think I would like some more examples laid out for opensense and things it opens up like you stated originally.
Also would be nice to have a forum on their developer portion of their site where devs could get with HTC devs/tech support/ along with other sense devs and run things by them in there that are specifically geared toward the things on the dev site.
So if they wish to get closer to the Devs, Then how about this....
When they do a OTA like they did when they went from 2.3.3 to 2.3.4 and changed the kernel why do they not also at the same time release that new kernel/source to the Dev community instead of sitting on it or never releasing it? It would seem as if they truely want to get close to the Dev community they should reach out and participate..
And I to would like to know WHY there is NO S-Off?
Like what Sgt. said....having it unlocked with no S-off makes no sense. Cause you cant tweak the rom if you can't do kernel and the lower level stuff. (and no kernel source)
I think if HTC works with the Dev community as you say they want to... Then they might be able to help reduce those warranty issues by doing so..
So my questions are Why no S-off?
If doing S-Off WHEN?
Why do you get multiple answers depending on who you talk to about this stuff at HTC?
Shouldnt all the Tech help have the same info?
How about releasing Kernel and such when an OTA is done so Dev's can use it? It might just save alot of issues/warranty as well...
Maybe im way off base and im fairly new here but.. Those be my questions.
Why did they release the incomplete source for their kernels?
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Why did they release the incomplete source for their kernels?
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This +1
And I want to know if they will release the kernel sources in a better timeframe than they have been doing?
I also want to know how we can participate with getting HTCSense.com out of beta?
LG is about to release an update that will convert 2D Games to 3D in their 3D phone (optimus 3d), are you going to do this for us too?
What about more 3D content in your Watch app? (The movies one, so far only the green hornet), in short, more 3D content for us!
I would like to ask them why I can't ever hear my speaker... at all. It's so quiet that I can have it all the way up and if there is any background noise I have to put the phone up to my ear to see if it's playing. My ears aren't at fault either because I have much better hearing than just about everyone I know.
Also, why do they refuse to release their source code in a timely manner and when are they going to rectify that?
I think the biggest problem we now have with HTC is a lack of trust . I would tell your friend and HTC to tell the PR people not to post or promise anything at all until your 100% it will be delivered on time. Also we need transparency.... Saying you'll unlock the bootloader is taken to mean the whole things not part. Explain things better and then explain why. Also as part of AOSP release the WORKING source BEFORE the update hits OTA. LG is a shinning example of this...
Thank you all for your questions. I believe I have what I need for the time being. I will submit the questions to HTC and will post an article in the Portal as soon as they are answered. Thank you all again for your time
I will reopen this thread soon.
So I'm new to the whole Android scene and rooting and such. So what are the most common things to do when you root it? And also since HTC is releasing the ICS update soon should I wait until after it comes out to root it? I'm coming from an iPhone so I'm still have limited knowledge in this but do have experience modding a bunch of devices.
Thanks.
Dr.Strangelove. said:
So I'm new to the whole Android scene and rooting and such. So what are the most common things to do when you root it? And also since HTC is releasing the ICS update soon should I wait until after it comes out to root it? I'm coming from an iPhone so I'm still have limited knowledge in this but do have experience modding a bunch of devices.
Thanks.
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As of now the only real advantage of rooting is is removing the bloatware.
You can also backup, restore and experiment with custom roms (very limited number to date however) that give you a few other minor options such as the wifi calling that HTC pulled right after the release of the device.
So far we are not able to overclock or anything like that because HTC hasn't released the kernel source yet.
Be aware that you void your warranty by rooting according to the htcdev site. You'll get the notice when you unlock your bootloader.
By the way... odds are that we'll have ICS way before HTC releases the update to our phones. So if you do decide to root you will probably have ICS months before the official update is released. You can literally go around and show everyone the new update weeks before they get it themselves. Kind of a cool feeling.
Binary100100 said:
As of now the only real advantage of rooting is is removing the bloatware.
You can also backup, restore and experiment with custom roms (very limited number to date however) that give you a few other minor options such as the wifi calling that HTC pulled right after the release of the device.
So far we are not able to overclock or anything like that because HTC hasn't released the kernel source yet.
Be aware that you void your warranty by rooting according to the htcdev site. You'll get the notice when you unlock your bootloader.
By the way... odds are that we'll have ICS way before HTC releases the update to our phones. So if you do decide to root you will probably have ICS months before the official update is released. You can literally go around and show everyone the new update weeks before they get it themselves. Kind of a cool feeling.
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Thanks for all that info. It's good to know that I can backup and restore and experiment with custom roms. I heard about bricking your phone and was afraid to mess around with it because of that. I liked on the iPhone how if you messed up you could just restore it and start over. And just to clarify rooting unlocks the bootloader right? Or is that something different?
Thanks.
there is no way to brick your phone right now becuase htc only allows you certian access that wont brick it you can restore if things go bad
I am no expert, I simply enjoy rooting pretty much everything I have relating to technology. Now, the Razr is an amazing phone, and BECAUSE its an amazing phone, I decided NOT to root it until a way to Unbrick became available. Well, that day came (A droidrzr dot come link), so of course, I rooted my Razr and installed the only rom I saw available for the VZW version. Here's the dilemma:
I am in no way making demands or trying to offend anyone, I simply have a question: Are there more ROMS coming out for the RAZR? I have seen all of the mods in these forums, I just have no need for them. I ask because the day my Evo 3D became 'rootable', about 4 or 5 ROMS rolled out right pretty much within hours, and while we DO have a custom ROM for the RAZR, umm...that's it. I appreciate the ROM, I have it installed, but supposedly the big deal was that there was no way to recover from an unbricked RAZR, and now there is, yet there's really no activity in the DEV section aside from people arguing about the locked bootloader.
Maybe I'm just ignorant and the fastboot files don't provide any help at all. I'll attribute that to what I said at the beginning, that I'm not an expert. I was just hoping someone could clarify because I literally check this forum twice a day hoping to see [ROM] at the beginning of a post and [CDMA] right next to it.
Thank you beforehand for any help or clarification!
invikto said:
I am no expert, I simply enjoy rooting pretty much everything I have relating to technology. Now, the Razr is an amazing phone, and BECAUSE its an amazing phone, I decided NOT to root it until a way to Unbrick became available. Well, that day came (A droidrzr dot come link), so of course, I rooted my Razr and installed the only rom I saw available for the VZW version. Here's the dilemma:
I am in no way making demands or trying to offend anyone, I simply have a question: Are there more ROMS coming out for the RAZR? I have seen all of the mods in these forums, I just have no need for them. I ask because the day my Evo 3D became 'rootable', about 4 or 5 ROMS rolled out right pretty much within hours, and while we DO have a custom ROM for the RAZR, umm...that's it. I appreciate the ROM, I have it installed, but supposedly the big deal was that there was no way to recover from an unbricked RAZR, and now there is, yet there's really no activity in the DEV section aside from people arguing about the locked bootloader.
Maybe I'm just ignorant and the fastboot files don't provide any help at all. I'll attribute that to what I said at the beginning, that I'm not an expert. I was just hoping someone could clarify because I literally check this forum twice a day hoping to see [ROM] at the beginning of a post and [CDMA] right next to it.
Thank you beforehand for any help or clarification!
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easy answer
there's no real need of completely modded roms, and roms wich went out, are more optimization roms...
and... ics is on the way, think is a little useless, start thinking of making entire projects on gingerbread, knowing in a month we are going on a really different android version
True, true...but wasn't the ICS source/code already released? Or does it depend from device to device?
Hello All,
I want to start off with a very big thank you to everyone in this community, everyone here has been very helpful to someone who is a general noob to HTC-Android devices (last HTC I owned was a TPII).
With that out of the way, I've had my Rezound for about a week and I love this phone. It feels great in the hand, has a gorgeous screen that is second to none, and an amazing camera that I'm happy to walk around with in case I need to grab a quick picture of something. Truly, this is a top notch device.
The problem I'm having is that after a week of owning this phone, I'm ready to leave stock. I was settled on CleanROM ICS for the time being until CM9 came out, but then I did some reading looking into CM9 which brought up a few questions.
1) What is S-Off and why is it important? Coming from a Droid X, I thought the important thing was an unlocked Bootloader. Why are other HTC Phones "S-Offed" and this one isn't? How does this affect ROM Development? Does this hurt the chances of CM9 making it to the Rezond (very hard to tell because they have not announced CM9 device support other than the G-Nex)?
2) What is the RIL and why is it important? This seems to be a problem amongst developers.
The main reason I bought this phone over the G-Nex was the SD-Card slot, the camera, and the screen. If development of an AOSP or AOKP is going to be lackluster because of the issues above, I still have one week to return the device and go back to my X for the time being. I will admit, I'm loving 4G, but I'm going to have this device for 2 years; I need to make sure I can get as much as I can out of this device.
Thank you as always for your answers!
EtherBoo said:
1) What is S-Off and why is it important? Coming from a Droid X, I thought the important thing was an unlocked Bootloader. Why are other HTC Phones "S-Offed" and this one isn't? How does this affect ROM Development? Does this hurt the chances of CM9 making it to the Rezond (very hard to tell because they have not announced CM9 device support other than the G-Nex)?
2) What is the RIL and why is it important? This seems to be a problem amongst developers.
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The 2 questions you have are very related. What it means, from what I understand, is custom radio developments. Also referring to your first question and your concern, that's what we are waiting on. To not rely on a leak for custom roms and to get an official OTA to base the roms off of, which refers back to your 2nd question if this device can't get s-off capability. We already have a way to flash custom kernels & roms, so at this time, s-off would just add the functionality of creating a custom radio.
Snuzzo said:
The 2 questions you have are very related. What it means, from what I understand, is custom radio developments. Also referring to your first question and your concern, that's what we are waiting on. To not rely on a leak for custom roms and to get an official OTA to base the roms off of, which refers back to your 2nd question if this device can't get s-off capability. We already have a way to flash custom kernels & roms, so at this time, s-off would just add the functionality of creating a custom radio.
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So what makes custom radios important?
EtherBoo said:
So what makes custom radios important?
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it's more of nodding radios and not creating them. the only advantage is possibly better signal(depending on location,prl and tower) which leads to better voice quality but since this is high end as it is it might not even make a better difference even with possible data speed increases.
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it's more of nodding radios and not creating them. the only advantage is possibly better signal(depending on location,prl and tower) which leads to better voice quality but since this is high end as it is it might not even make a better difference even with possible data speed increases.
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It sounds to me like an excuse not to develop on this device if this is really something stopping us from a solid AOSP or AOKP build.
I'm really torn. I want a Sense-less ICS ROM, but I really love this phone. I have a week left before I can return it. I suppose worst case I could steal my wife's upgrade in May and give her this phone if we don't see development start picking up.
Unrelated, I'm starting to think this device will never see a solid 5.0 build. CM9 isn't even out of beta and official device support is still showing CM7 devices.
I guess it's a tough decision. At least my wife is willing to take this phone.
The radio isn't the issue. The RIL in android is. I don't know of any android devices that have needed modded radios in order to get AOSP working. There is a working build of MIUI with 4G working... but it seems like the dev wants to get it perfect before he releases it. Once that is done we should be able to get CM9.
But by all means though, if you don't like sense, get a nexus. It is possible nothing will ever be released though so don't hinge your plans on it.
con247 said:
The radio isn't the issue. The RIL in android is. I don't know of any android devices that have needed modded radios in order to get AOSP working. There is a working build of MIUI with 4G working... but it seems like the dev wants to get it perfect before he releases it. Once that is done we should be able to get CM9.
But by all means though, if you don't like sense, get a nexus. It is possible nothing will ever be released though so don't hinge your plans on it.
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So con247- Do you think there is a chance that an ASOP ril will never be developed?
I guess my question is- how is the rezound>RIL>sense different than rezound>RIL>ASOP? If that makes sense?
It is possible it won't ever happen, but I have 99% faith it will be completed soonish.
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It sounds to me like an excuse not to develop on this device if this is really something stopping us from a solid AOSP or AOKP build.
I'm really torn. I want a Sense-less ICS ROM, but I really love this phone. I have a week left before I can return it. I suppose worst case I could steal my wife's upgrade in May and give her this phone if we don't see development start picking up.
Unrelated, I'm starting to think this device will never see a solid 5.0 build. CM9 isn't even out of beta and official device support is still showing CM7 devices.
I guess it's a tough decision. At least my wife is willing to take this phone.
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Seems like an odd thing to buy a phone on the expectation of AOSP. I'm pretty sure we will see a solid AOSP ROM before long though. Not sure how development is going to pick up much more than it is. We have a ton of great ROMs that these awesome devs have been working on tirelessly since before the unlock was even announced. It's only been four months since the phone came out. The development has been moving at breakneck speed! The lack of flashing unsigned radios has no bearing on ROM developing. Con is dead on. Patience folks.
well a couple of weeks ago i asked this question and i was comparing things between some devices and thank you guys you helped me figure a lot of things out and i finally decided that iam getting the atrix 4g no doubt it's an awesome super powerful phone but how bad is it to buy an outdated phone " almost 1.5 years old " ? and i also wanted to know if there is any chance that Motorola will abandon releasing the ics update ? !! beacuse as bad as i wanna wait for the update to come out before i buy the device i can't soo if you told me that it's 100% sure the the update is coming out iam buying the phone next week ... and some thing ealse i wanted to clarify i read on the motorolla website that the update coming in Q3 2012 is just for at&t and i live in egypt so obviously there is no at&t here and from what i understand i won't be able to update OTA and i just wanted to know what will be the availlable options for me then to update rather than waitng for the international update which has no specified date yet ? !!! and something more does the Atrix 4g has any common hardware problems as i'll be bootloader unlocking my phone maybe 2 weeks after i get it ( i mean because of voiding the warranty and this stuff ) ?
and thank i guys again in advance u rock :good:
You need to search around a bit more next time. These answers are relatively easy to find:
-I think the general consensus is that people here are happy with their phones but if you can spend more to get a phone with better specs, not potentially have a problem buying an Atrix with a locked bootloader, not have to deal with a company like nvidia, etc. then you might want to look elsewhere.
-There is NO proof that Motorola WON'T release ICS. There are still several other phones that fall in the Q3 schedule that also haven't been updated and we're still in Q3. Even if there's a small chance it won't be released, there's still the chance that drivers from other phones can be used to stabilize an Atrix rom.
-If you're already talking about unlocking the bootloader then you should know by now that OTA is completely irrelevant. You can flash the update as you would any other rom.
-Digitizer and wifi/bluetooth issues seem to be the biggest hardware problems. Unlocking a bootloader on any phone will void the warranty, but it's been the experience of many people that Motorola will still repair phones under warranty anyway. Every you decision you make, from buying a phone to crossing the street, is at your own risk.
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You need to search around a bit more next time. These answers are relatively easy to find:
-I think the general consensus is that people here are happy with their phones but if you can spend more to get a phone with better specs, not potentially have a problem buying an Atrix with a locked bootloader, not have to deal with a company like nvidia, etc. then you might want to look elsewhere.
-There is NO proof that Motorola WON'T release ICS. There are still several other phones that fall in the Q3 schedule that also haven't been updated and we're still in Q3. Even if there's a small chance it won't be released, there's still the chance that drivers from other phones can be used to stabilize an Atrix rom.
-If you're already talking about unlocking the bootloader then you should know by now that OTA is completely irrelevant. You can flash the update as you would any other rom.
-Digitizer and wifi/bluetooth issues seem to be the biggest hardware problems. Unlocking a bootloader on any phone will void the warranty, but it's been the experience of many people that Motorola will still repair phones under warranty anyway. Every you decision you make, from buying a phone to crossing the street, is at your own risk.
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Firstly thank you and i agree with you "You need to search around a bit more next time. These answers are relatively easy to find"
you are right most of my previous questions could be solved be googling it but the reason why i ask these questions is because i want an experience based answers because most of the times there is an indirect ways to do things .
- can u please explain what do u mean by " u don't have to deal with a company like nvidia " does nvidia suck this much ? !! and excuse me if i asked u to tell me what is the things that u hate the most or u see this phone lacks ? " hardware,software,community stuff,even support" and thank you so much :good:
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well a couple of weeks ago i asked this question and i was comparing things between some devices and thank you guys you helped me figure a lot of things out and i finally decided that iam getting the atrix 4g no doubt it's an awesome super powerful phone but how bad is it to buy an outdated phone " almost 1.5 years old " ? and i also wanted to know if there is any chance that Motorola will abandon releasing the ics update ? !! beacuse as bad as i wanna wait for the update to come out before i buy the device i can't soo if you told me that it's 100% sure the the update is coming out iam buying the phone next week ... and some thing ealse i wanted to clarify i read on the motorolla website that the update coming in Q3 2012 is just for at&t and i live in egypt so obviously there is no at&t here and from what i understand i won't be able to update OTA and i just wanted to know what will be the availlable options for me then to update rather than waitng for the international update which has no specified date yet ? !!! and something more does the Atrix 4g has any common hardware problems as i'll be bootloader unlocking my phone maybe 2 weeks after i get it ( i mean because of voiding the warranty and this stuff ) ?
and thank i guys again in advance u rock :good:
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If you still not buy the Atrix yet, then you still have a good choice to buy Galaxy Nexus, S2, Notes for your work smoothly.
ROM update is the most important part of Android OS. Try to google more and you can find out the real fact behind smile face of people here.:silly:
iximedaixi said:
- can u please explain what do u mean by " u don't have to deal with a company like nvidia " does nvidia suck this much ? !! and excuse me if i asked u to tell me what is the things that u hate the most or u see this phone lacks ? " hardware,software,community stuff,even support" and thank you so much :good:
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The common belief is that nvidia is the one holding up the drivers for Moto to use for ICS.
You'll probably find a few other threads (in fact, there's another one right on this page) where people will compare phone XYZ to the Atrix so you can see the benefits and disadvantages. It all depends on which specific phone you're comparing, as well as what exactly you need from your phone. Like anything else, this phone has several things few or no other phones have but also might fall short (screen, processor speed, etc.) in others. It's up to you to figure out what you need.
The good thing is that this community is surprisingly active, even for a phone that came out last year.
I'm not gonna quote all of that, but once AT&T releases ICS then EVERYONE will have it on CM9/10.
We only want ICS for the drivers to put into CM, and other custom ROMS. Trust me nobody here wants stock bloat...
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ccrows said:
I'm not gonna quote all of that, but once AT&T releases ICS then EVERYONE will have it on CM9/10.
We only want ICS for the drivers to put into CM, and other custom ROMS. Trust me nobody here wants stock bloat...
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I have Epinter's unofficial CM10 running on my Atrix 4G, the only reason I'm still anticipating the official ICS update is for the driver developers can use to get hardware acceleration working on CM10 :crying: