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I have been thinking recently about moving on to a newer Android device for a phone, and converting my Eris into a general purpose, WiFi-only Android device, for things like Media center remote control, Portable MP3 player, etc.
My question, basically, is whether or not its possible to completely disable the cellular radio and any other associated phone/mms/3G/2G drivers and utilities. Stripping out all the miscellaneous apks and apps i dont want is the easy part. Removing drivers, disabling devices, and modifying config files is the part i'm not comfortable with yet. Any tips, pointers or links would be awesome.
Is anybody else interested in having a ROM like this distributed on this forum? I can start posting my progress builds on here if there is interest. Otherwise, if something like this already exists, please let me know!
as far as using it as a wi-fi only device you can simply put the phone into airplane mode and then urn on the wi-fi.
Unwanted programs I have used this program (link below)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=628138
If your phone is rooted you can use the application manager to erase any app you want and hopefully thats good enough for what your looking for. I
It sounds like your looking to do more that I have knowledge in so hopefully this will help till you get the setup your looking for
When you setup your device on first boot after flashing a rom doesn't it have an option for wifi only connection on setup? Granted you may still have to airplane mode afterwards like said above, not really sure but worth a try.... hope this helps.
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I'd be interested, I wouldn't mind letting a youngin use it for mp3 player or something but always worried about an accidental 911 call or something dumb like that
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I think you could take an existing ROM and prune it from them and be happy. Removing drivers or disabling devices ? Not really necessary.... I think if you removed "phone.apk", there'd be no accidental 911 calls made, at least. My first thought was, don't activate it, but you can always make 911 calls as alluded to.
I realize removing the non-used stuff is likely in effort to trim it down to just the necessary stuff, but as I said, it might be overkill.
I've actually been thinking something like this would be awesome for when I retire this thing I say +1
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dragon1018 said:
as far as using it as a wi-fi only device you can simply put the phone into airplane mode and then urn on the wi-fi.
Unwanted programs I have used this program (link below)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=628138
If your phone is rooted you can use the application manager to erase any app you want and hopefully thats good enough for what your looking for. I
It sounds like your looking to do more that I have knowledge in so hopefully this will help till you get the setup your looking for
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Airplane mode turns off the WIFI, too. It turns off any and ALL wireless signals, 2G, 3G, Wifi, any.
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Airplane mode turns off the WIFI, too. It turns off any and ALL wireless signals, 2G, 3G, Wifi, any.
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You can re-enable WiFi after you enable airplane mode.
You could always go into the test call mode or whatever the field programming thing is and disable the radio from there. I forget exactly what the number is to call but it's the one that brings up all the field test tools and stuff...there's an option to completely disable the cellular radio.
Sounds like your basically looking for a honeycomb rom. Pretty sure if we just wait a bit we could possibly see something like that soon. I have faith in our devs.
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I am looking for something like this too. I just bought a bluetooth odb2 adapter so I can use my old eris to monitor my vehicle and do gps and music. I'll probably even make a sweet case for it so basically only the screen shows and it could be installed in the dash. It could sync music whenever I am home in range of wifi. Plus with the new google maps "offline" feature, I could cache frequently used areas.
I think you should go ahead and start something of a tutorial. Just start from a good lean stable 2.2 rom and document what you remove/add etc. and what apps work best for something like that.
If you remove /system/bin/rild, (the "Radio Interface Layer Daemon") there is no longer a possibility of dialing any calls, getting any voice or data service, SMS, MMS et cetera.
This is not the same thing as turning off power to the radio, however. I think you would want to do that for reasons of power conservation alone.
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If you remove /system/bin/rild, (the "Radio Interface Layer Daemon") there is no longer a possibility of dialing any calls, getting any voice or data service, SMS, MMS et cetera.
This is not the same thing as turning off power to the radio, however. I think you would want to do that for reasons of power conservation alone.
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If you do that doesn't it also disable GPS except if wifi is on? I noticed that some still want to use GPS and I know that if you disable network GPS only works through wifi
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This is an great concept for a ROM. I have also been thinking about this, because shortly I will be retiring this little guy. I was going to give it to my wife because she refuses to get a smartphone and has an mp3 player from like 8 years ago that she refuses to upgrade! The Eris keeps my kids busy when we are out also. This way I wouldn't have to worry about my kids (or my wife) doing something stupid!
dpiddy14 said:
This is an great concept for a ROM. I have also been thinking about this, because shortly I will be retiring this little guy. I was going to give it to my wife because she refuses to get a smartphone and has an mp3 player from like 8 years ago that she refuses to upgrade! The Eris keeps my kids busy when we are out also. This way I wouldn't have to worry about my kids (or my wife) doing something stupid!
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True.
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bftb0 said:
If you remove /system/bin/rild, (the "Radio Interface Layer Daemon") there is no longer a possibility of dialing any calls, getting any voice or data service, SMS, MMS et cetera.
This is not the same thing as turning off power to the radio, however. I think you would want to do that for reasons of power conservation alone.
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Does it work better to remove the line from init.d or whatever? Or do errors finding files not matter?
There is a project underway to do this very thing, keep an eye on these forums and they'll be posting it when its ready for the world.
that sounds awesome can't wait to put it on my eris when i get the Thunderbolt!
and my next phone will have mobile hotspot so whenever I am in my car and away from my home wifi, my "carputer" will have internet access for maps. sweet
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There is a project underway to do this very thing, keep an eye on these forums and they'll be posting it when its ready for the world.
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Do you know who is going to post it?
It seems that Samsung Dive only works on my sgs2 when either the wifi or the network data mode is enabled on the device. What's worse is that if the "Wireless Networks / View Location in Maps" option is disabled, it will ask to be enabled while tracking the device.
Practically making Samsung Dive uesless.
Is there a fix for this? I've flashed a few ROMs but I'm back on stock, I never had this problem before flashing ROMs. Thanks.
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It seems that Samsung Dive only works on my sgs2 when either the wifi or the network data mode is enabled on the device. What's worse is that if the "Wireless Networks / View Location in Maps" option is disabled, it will ask to be enabled while tracking the device.
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I'm curious how you expect it to work without some kind of data connection.
Regarding your point about being asked for permission, if on KK5 at least, if you freeze the Network Location apk (com.google.android.location), the prompt does not appear and it does not seem to inhibit your ability to use GPS correctly.
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I'm curious how you expect it to work without some kind of data connection.
Regarding your point about being asked for permission, if on KK5 at least, if you freeze the Network Location apk (com.google.android.location), the prompt does not appear and it does not seem to inhibit your ability to use GPS correctly.
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Sorry if I made myself unclear, what I mean is that the user has to manually enable wifi or 3g to be able to use SD. So if the phone is lost, there's nobody there to enable 3g/wifi, so SD won't work.
You weren't unclear. How would you like it to communicate with the phone with no data connection?
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You weren't unclear. How would you like it to communicate with the phone with no data connection?
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Before I flashed ROMs SD would activate my 3g (when it was already off), then activate my wireless networks / location option, ten activate my GPS, then find my device. But now all it does is sits there, trying to connect, until i manually enable wifi or 3g, which it will then ask me to enable my wireless netoworks / location, and then it doesn't do anyting.
OP, you make no sense. You didn't answer to oinkylicious's question: how can SD reach your phone if it can't connect to it? It's almost impossible, so yes, someone has to be there to enable data or wifi. It was always like this and it will always be like this with the current technology .
About manually activating the tracking system, I also have my doubts. I only tried this several months ago, but then it showed my location without asking me to enable tracking. I'm on CM7 now, so I can't test it.
Alternatives: theft aware can do the same thing (now quite good, but it works) via SMS. You just send the code to your phone, and it gives you the location.
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OP, you make no sense. You didn't answer to oinkylicious's question: how can SD reach your phone if it can't connect to it? It's almost impossible, so yes, someone has to be there to enable data or wifi. It was always like this and it will always be like this with the current technology .
About manually activating the tracking system, I also have my doubts. I only tried this several months ago, but then it showed my location without asking me to enable tracking. I'm on CM7 now, so I can't test it.
Alternatives: theft aware can do the same thing (now quite good, but it works) via SMS. You just send the code to your phone, and it gives you the location.
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Well it's just that on my sister's sgs2, she doesn't need to manually activate 3g.
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Why would you have your data connection switched off anyway?
GlenH said:
Why would you have your data connection switched off anyway?
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Because 3g wastes a tonne of battery.
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I am curious to this actually. What happens if your phone is stolen and the person who stole it is smart enough to turn off data and gps?
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I am curious to this actually. What happens if your phone is stolen and the person who stole it is smart enough to turn off data and gps?
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Exactly my point, my sister doesn't have this problem (unrooted, never flashed roms), but I do .
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I am curious to this actually. What happens if your phone is stolen and the person who stole it is smart enough to turn off data and gps?
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What would the person use the phone for then? I actually don't think that a thief would have the slighest idea that he/she should turn data off.
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What would the person use the phone for then? I actually don't think that a thief would have the slighest idea that he/she should turn data off.
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That isn't the point. The point is that it's ****ed up and I need help. /getting pissed off.
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That isn't the point. The point is that it's ****ed up and I need help. /getting pissed off.
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You still haven't answered my question. Also, could you provide some proof that this works on the other phone with all forms of data turned off, as it intuiges me.
If it works on an older ROM, revert until "fixed". If it doesn't, use an app controlled via SMS.
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You still haven't answered my question. Also, could you provide some proof that this works on the other phone with all forms of data turned off, as it intuiges me.
If it works on an older ROM, revert until "fixed". If it doesn't, use an app controlled via SMS.
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Already reverted to stock, problem still exists. Will upload video as soon as my sister gets home.
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What would the person use the phone for then? I actually don't think that a thief would have the slighest idea that he/she should turn data off.
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Knowing people who live on a council estate talking about disabling the internet on a phone or turning it off and flogging it on ebay leads me to believe different. That aware theft thing that works via SMS sounds a lot better
OK my sister's being stupid and won't give me her samsung dive password, burning swear to God you don't need. A connection.
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Hy, did you find a solution, i was thinking to register to samsung dive but found out about this problem. Does somebody really neads to turn on data manually for it to work? Thats just plain useless. If i lost it somewhere who will enable it, or if somebody took it i have to pray for them to enable data, lol.
P.S. Im also on custom rom.
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Hy, did you find a solution, i was thinking to register to samsung dive but found out about this problem. Does somebody really neads to turn on data manually for it to work? Thats just plain useless. If i lost it somewhere who will enable it, or if somebody took it i have to pray for them to enable data, lol.
P.S. Im also on custom rom.
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Yeah I use theft aware, but you can get it free with the avast antivirus app. It's controlled by texts, and it has a lot more features than dive, wipe protection, etc.
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Avast anti-theft is really nice. I'm using it also, but it's still beta, and has some serious bugs sometimes.
So back to your original question, I think we can call it BUSTED. There's no way for Samsung to activate data connection on your phone if it's turned off manually
Alright everyone, I'm getting annoyed and I'm hoping someone more talented than me can come here to save the day. I'm attempting to use a conditional init.d script that runs if it finds the file of my choosing (in this case, radio.sh in /system/bin) and then if it finds it, it will disable radio. What I'm having problems with is that it keeps giving me connection refused on boot when disabling radio. So, any idea?
Have you mounted your system as read/write at the beginning of the script?
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I'm using radio options I shouldn't have to but I guess I'll try that
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What command do you use to disable radio?
I tried a setprop command, that didnt work and I also tried "radiooptions 1"
edit: This was using both adb and init.d
Code:
stop ril-daemon
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stop ril-daemon
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Hey globatron,
If you remove phone.apk and telephoneyproviders.apk you no longer get cell stand by in battery usage but it breaks GPS. If I leave the files and issue the stop ril-daemon command. It turns off the radio and GPS still works but cell standby appears in battery usage. Is there a way to disable the radios completely, still have GPS work and not have cell standby in battery usage?
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You have to have cell standby for GPS to work, I think they are in the same chip.
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I don't get what you're trying to accomplish, if youre trying to disable the CDMA radio and use wifi only like me, but want GPS, just turn on airplane mode, turn on wifi and GPS and you're set. If I'm mistaken about what you're trying to do then never mind.
Side note, leaving the CDMA radio on didn't bother me because I don't have service with my view, but it still takes from the battery of course.
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Gordon, this is for a ROM. I'm looking into several options to kill it on boot simply. That's it.
I see, I I think I came across some lads in the Flyer forums either here or AC that had it working.
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Here is something odd.. gps does work if you remove the stuff for cell standby. I thought it was broken (everytime I tried in my house it never locked on a signal) but it's not. I fired up navigation just now and while it did take longer to lock a signal then with the radio stuff in, it did lock and start giving me directions.. I guess the cell radios assist the gps(considerably) but are not fully responsible for it.
This is an important functionality to disable the cell radio!
I've been trying for days now - can't understand why Android doesn't simply provide a checkbox in the settings for this (like for Bluetooth or Wifi).
When people suggest airplane mode, they don't realize that this blocks the stock dialer from placing any calls.
This is really poor design on the part of the Android team: they include a sip stack (thank you!) , then force users to resort to airplane mode to disable the cell, and then block the dialer (when all a user wants is simply to use sip over wifi)...
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This is an important functionality to disable the cell radio!
I've been trying for days now - can't understand why Android doesn't simply provide a checkbox in the settings for this (like for Bluetooth or Wifi).
When people suggest airplane mode, they don't realize that this blocks the stock dialer from placing any calls.
This is really poor design on the part of the Android team: they include a sip stack (thank you!) , then force users to resort to airplane mode to disable the cell, and then block the dialer (when all a user wants is simply to use sip over wifi)...
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Why would you care about the stock dialer for placing call if you turned off your radio? You ain't making any calls without the radio anyway.... I'm confused
immjg said:
Why would you care about the stock dialer for placing call if you turned off your radio? You ain't making any calls without the radio anyway.... I'm confused
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He is using sip over WiFi, but he needs a dialer. That doesn't use the mobile radio.
Indirect said:
What I'm having problems with is that it keeps giving me connection refused on boot when disabling radio. So, any idea?
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sounds like it sends the command before ril is ready.
The only way I got it to work was by having "sleep 60" before the radiooptions command.
Maybe there is some trigger for ril, so the command can run once its ready. I had done a loop to check if ril-daemon is running first, but that doesn't seem to be enough (probably takes more time to load the vender RIL next)
It seems radiooptions just disables the radio, but it still uses power.
Did anybody have success in disabling the radio? I'm also looking for the way how to use View 4G abroad without Sprint.
May be it's possible to modify the firmware to make it "wifi only" - exactly as it made for the HTC Flyer?
mar1boro said:
Did anybody have success in disabling the radio? I'm also looking for the way how to use View 4G abroad without Sprint.
May be it's possible to modify the firmware to make it "wifi only" - exactly as it made for the HTC Flyer?
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Download a WiFi only Rom
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Download a WiFi only Rom
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Is there any for HTC Evo View 4G? The one for the HTC Flyer is not compatible with the View 4G, is it?
I would like a GB, not the HC version.
So since I've been using tablets since the xoom came out I always wanted to be able to send texts through my tablet but have them send with my phone's number. At first there was syncSMS, which was pretty good but required drop box to sync up messages. Then I started using Text tab which would pair the devices with BT. The app was ok, the interface wasnt that great but it did the job. I just bought Tablet Talk from the market and I have to say I LOVE this app, not only does it give you the option to connect via BT or Wifi(must be on same wifi network) but the interface is much better than text tab. Plus you can control your mobile phone. Meaning, if you want to call someone it has a dialer and when you dial from your tab it will place the call on your handset, you can even activate speakerphone on your mobile phone. Granted you need to have your phone close for the calling stuff and I am wondering if you connect the two via BT if you can actually use your tab to talk(I havent tested on BT yet) but I think it's still pretty neat. And when you get a call it displays the caller id number on your tab so no more having to pull the phone out of your pocket to see who's calling.
I have been using it over wifi since last night and havent even seen it eat much battery at all and I left it running all night. Anyway, I would HIGHLY recommend this app... It's the best Tab/Phone SMS app I've seen so far
ok so no audio routing when connected via BT, but it's still a pretty cool feature
When I get a call it shows me who is calling on my tab, and also rings on the tab. You can answer the call from the tab but it activates the handset, but as I said in the OP from the tab you can also activate the speakerphone on your phone
Try...
Tablet Talk
Routes calls and texts.
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RED ZMAN said:
Try...
Tablet Talk
Routes calls and texts.
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it routes the audio as well?
edit: My bad... that's the app I have.. lol I dont know why I thought it was Tablet Text. I dont see a way to route the audio though. It just activates the call on the phone
Is there a way for it to recognize the hotspot app on your phone as the wifi network? I have the hotspot on my phone enabled..but it still ask me to connect to a wifi network.
Have you tried the Sidecar app? It is available in the Play market.
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Is there a way for it to recognize the hotspot app on your phone as the wifi network? I have the hotspot on my phone enabled..but it still ask me to connect to a wifi network.
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hmm not sure.. I havent tried.. but why not just connect via bluetooth?
I haven't tested it extensively, but it definitely looks like a good app. I will be testing it more once I start making progress on installing the tablet in the car.
I bought it the other day and wished I did the trial first. It does work well, but my phone seems to disconnect often from Bluetooth. So then I have to manually turn the screen on and reconnect.
Guess I need to fool with the settings on my phone some more. It's very useful, except for this little quirk I'm having.
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I bought it the other day and wished I did the trial first. It does work well, but my phone seems to disconnect often from Bluetooth. So then I have to manually turn the screen on and reconnect.
Guess I need to fool with the settings on my phone some more. It's very useful, except for this little quirk I'm having.
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hmm that's odd. Email the dev, I emailed him a couple of questions and he replied pretty quickly. The first time within hours of my email, the 2nd one a day or two after.
It seems to be an ics issue on the Evo 3D leaks. All of them have this issue for me. That's why I think I need to play around in my wifi settings a bit. Thanks for the suggestion though
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i bought the app but i cant install it on my phone with over 300mb free i need help keeps sayin i need to free up space
edit- i fixed it by jus pushing it to the phone via adb
Have a unlocked Rezound that I'd like to use as a media device.
Why? Because the device continues to work well. I have a spare battery and chargers, holster and case. It can do wireless (802.11). Plus memory space as well as SD card capabilities.
I think if it was possible to disable the cell modem within the phone, battery life would be increased. Would love to find a ROM that minimizes the bloatware, allows you to disable the cell portion of the phone but maintain the device's other functionality.
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Have a unlocked Rezound that I'd like to use as a media device.
Why? Because the device continues to work well. I have a spare battery and chargers, holster and case. It can do wireless (802.11). Plus memory space as well as SD card capabilities.
I think if it was possible to disable the cell modem within the phone, battery life would be increased. Would love to find a ROM that minimizes the bloatware, allows you to disable the cell portion of the phone but maintain the device's other functionality.
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I haven't seen a rom that lets you kill the cell radio all together and still keep wifi on. You can kill mobile data or put it in airplane mode when you don't need wifi either.
Install LTE on/off and turn off radio, WiFi can still be used, done.
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Put it in airplane mode, turn on WiFi. Done
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Install LTE on/off and turn off radio, WiFi can still be used, done.
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That doesn't turn off the cell radio, just LTE...
Are you serious??? Ok then I have no idea what I am talking about. Wait on second thought no it's you that has no idea what your talking about. Oh and try things before you speak.....Good luck and don't listing to that guy I've used that program since the Thunderbolt
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@rjh20136 I'm partial to Sense ROMs and recommend Ineffable Deus for Sense 3.6, EclipticRez v9 (MHL fix included) for Sense 4. I use EclipticRez with either Sense 4 Car Mode display or XBMC app as a media device. I also use Poweramp and Google Music with ViPER4Android sound mod for car audio. Snuzzo's Funky kernel 3.7 version can underclock to 96 MHz to save battery more, try it out.
mjones73 said:
I haven't seen a rom that lets you kill the cell radio all together and still keep wifi on. You can kill mobile data or put it in airplane mode when you don't need wifi either.
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As Pmania said, toggle Airplane Mode first and then toggle WiFi back on by itself. I do this myself.
You can also access the Phone Info hidden settings on some ROMs by punching in "*#*#4636#*#*" on the stock dialer.
This panel controls global radio settings and can toggle the cell radio on or off independent of Airplane Mode. Do be careful not to select anything you're unsure of like changing regional frequencies.
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Install LTE on/off and turn off radio, WiFi can still be used, done.
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Grnlantern79 said:
Are you serious??? Ok then I have no idea what I am talking about. Wait on second thought no it's you that has no idea what your talking about. Oh and try things before you speak.....Good luck and don't listing to that guy I've used that program since the Thunderbolt
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To be fair, the grammar and lack of uppercase letters in the first post did not make it 100% clear you meant a specific app title rather than a generic toggle just for the LTE band. Mjones and likely others misunderstand at a glance.
I'm guessing the app is "LTE OnOFF - HTC Thunderbolt" by Cunning Logic. This app accesses that same hidden Phone Info panel accessed by the code I previously mentioned. Would recommend for the OP if the Airplane Mode trick is not preferable and the dialer code doesn't work on their particular ROM.
Other useful apps like Battery Monitor Widget can access the hidden settings too (BMW does it under the main menu > Tests button > Phone Information)
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That doesn't turn off the cell radio, just LTE...
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Actually it does.
I'll be trying this. Will back phone up just in case I ever have to press back into service but I see an S4 in my near future...
I second the *#*#4636#*#* method. There is a button in there to do exactly what you want.
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