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I recently acquired both an X and an X2. Have to keep one and sell the other. I just moved from the Incredible, which has awesome development, so I'm a little spoiled.
Seems that the X is a little further along the development cycle (makes sense), but I REALLY like the screen, CPU, and GPU of the X2.
Do I keep the X2 and hope for more development (really wanting CM7 or MIUI), or do I keep the X, which already has some pretty stable ROMs? I worry that many of the Devs are just going to bypass the X2 and move on to a more dev-friendly device or on to the Bionic or something.
Please help me decide which to hold on to!! Incidently, I don't have to sell one off for another week or two, so there is a little more time to see if CM7 can come out for the X2 I guess.
I don't see much happening with the x2 honestly. I'll be selling my x2 once the galaxy s2 arrives unless we get a break in development on this phone.
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I don't see much happening with the x2 honestly. I'll be selling my x2 once the galaxy s2 arrives
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Good im pretty sure the devs hate ungrateful people. There is alot happening on this phone. Only thing we are missing is the bootloader.
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EvilTim said:
Good im pretty sure the devs hate ungrateful people. There is alot happening on this phone. Only thing we are missing is the bootloader.
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I Hate Ungrateful People, I Am So Happy And Appreciative For Everything Anyone Does ForThis Phone. I Try To Help Out By Either Providing New Information Or Helping Someone Figure Things Out So They Hold Onto The X2. This Device Definitely Needs Support To Sway Developers To Wanna Put Their Time In. Once Again Thank You To Everyone Who Has/Is Working On This To Make It Better For All.
its funny to me everyone keeps talking about switching from a new device to something even newer as if support for that will be any better every device takes time I'm sticking with x2 at least for another 5-6 months.
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Guys, I'm completely new to both the X and the X2. I have no prior experience with either device, nor do I have a bias. I have read enough on all the various forums to see the hatred for one or both phones. Point is, I can only keep one of these bad boys. Like them both. Just hoping someone with more inside knowledge than myself can give me a better indication on future development potential.
From my fresh perspective on both of these phones, it is clear that the X has already had significant development (I love CM7 and MIUI Roms from my Incredible), and it seems like a gamble to hold onto the X2 because it may OR may not get to that point. Does this sound about right?? Again, not hating on either phone or community. This wasn't intended to be an "I'm moving on" thread. It's a "help me choose" thread. Thanks.
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Guys, I'm completely new to both the X and the X2. I have no prior experience with either device, nor do I have a bias. I have read enough on all the various forums to see the hatred for one or both phones. Point is, I can only keep one of these bad boys. Like them both. Just hoping someone with more inside knowledge than myself can give me a better indication on future development potential.
From my fresh perspective on both of these phones, it is clear that the X has already had significant development (I love CM7 and MIUI Roms from my Incredible), and it seems like a gamble to hold onto the X2 because it may OR may not get to that point. Does this sound about right?? Again, not hating on either phone or community. This wasn't intended to be an "I'm moving on" thread. It's a "help me choose" thread. Thanks.
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CM7 And BAMF Are Coming To The X2 "Soon"
It's Gonna Be A Couple More Weeks At LEAST Before We Are To See Either A Beta Or Stable Rom. I Hope That Clarifies What You Want To Know.
MikeJ92YJ said:
CM7 And BAMF Are Coming To The X2 "Soon"
It's Gonna Be A Couple More Weeks At LEAST Before We Are To See Either A Beta Or Stable Rom. I Hope That Clarifies What You Want To Know.
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It does help some. It seems that one dev working on CM7 is needing some help though, and not getting it. That's what I'm reading into the posts anyway. No disrespect to the dev who's working on it. I just know that these things seem to require multiple devs working on teams. So if you can tell me definitively that CM7 will come, I'm a happy camper.
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It does help some. It seems that one dev working on CM7 is needing some help though, and not getting it. That's what I'm reading into the posts anyway. No disrespect to the dev who's working on it. I just know that these things seem to require multiple devs working on teams. So if you can tell me definitively that CM7 will come, I'm a happy camper.
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One Thing You Really Need To Understand There Is Nothing Definite With Developing. It Can Take Numerous Trial And Errors Before Done Or It May Never Happen At All.
we should all be happy that moto surprisingly did an awesome job with the GB update, it added so much polish that was lacking in previous builds and helped speed up our phones greatly. If you want MIUI so bad, there is a launcher that mimics MIUI ROM This phone has only been popular for like 2 months, that is NOT enough time for any development to happen lol so just get Rooted GB, Freeze Bloat, Supercharge this bad boy and if you want to run the MIUI Launcher and have one of the fastest phones on the market
It's really a no-brainer. The X2 is way above the X in performance. IMHO, it's the best phone that Verizon sells, unless you really must have 4G service. Both phones have the lousy Blur interface, but you can customize them, as you know, with aftermarket launchers and programs. Both phones have locked bootloaders, so not a lot of development.
There has recently been some increased development interest in the X2, however. Gingerbread (2.3.3) is the most recent OS, and there is now a pre-rooted version of Gingerbread readily available. As for ROMs, "Eclipse" is well liked and seems to be extremely well thought out. Most recent edition has done away with most of the Blur interface. More details here.
If you need to ask other peoples opinion on which phone you want.... don't pick the x2. Im tired of everyone whining. Don't buy just released gadgets if you can't handle bugs and lack of support. Wait! I have a great idea... sell both and buy an even newer phone that may or may not even be rooted yet. Yep that's a good plan.
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colonel187 said:
If you need to ask other peoples opinion on which phone you want.... don't pick the x2. Im tired of everyone whining. Don't buy just released gadgets if you can't handle bugs and lack of support. Wait! I have a great idea... sell both and buy an even newer phone that may or may not even be rooted yet. Yep that's a good plan.
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Well that was rather immature and "toolish" ... just don't post if your feelings are that negative
On another note, I would say to keep the X2. It is a more powerful in all aspects.
X2 is one badass piece of hardware. Period.
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colonel187 said:
If you need to ask other peoples opinion on which phone you want.... don't pick the x2. Im tired of everyone whining. Don't buy just released gadgets if you can't handle bugs and lack of support. Wait! I have a great idea... sell both and buy an even newer phone that may or may not even be rooted yet. Yep that's a good plan.
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If the clown can find time to reprimand me for being helpful and using another word for excrement, where is he when all this guy posts is Flamebait?
On topic, if you want cm7, stay with the x. If you can wait, keep your x2
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colonel187 said:
If you need to ask other peoples opinion on which phone you want.... don't pick the x2. Im tired of everyone whining. Don't buy just released gadgets if you can't handle bugs and lack of support. Wait! I have a great idea... sell both and buy an even newer phone that may or may not even be rooted yet. Yep that's a good plan.
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Oh come on guys, this was by FAR the most useful reply I got
Seriously though, thanks for the input for those who actually took time to post something meaningful. I know the X2 is a great piece of hardware, but my rooted Incredible running AOSP was actually faster and more responsive than this thing is right now, so I guess I'm suffering from some withdrawl. I'll root, debloat, supercharge, etc and see how it goes. I'll probably hold on to the X2 and hope for the best because I'd hate to be kicking myself a month from now when CM7 and then MIUI get unleashed. Surely those two ROMs running on this hardware will perform better than my Incredible, not to mention better than the original X.
Of course, if development completely halts in a month then I'll probably just beat my head and cry for what might have been, had I kept the original X. Time will tell. I.....must.......be.........patient.............
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Oh come on guys, this was by FAR the most useful reply I got
Seriously though, thanks for the input for those who actually took time to post something meaningful. I know the X2 is a great piece of hardware, but my rooted Incredible running AOSP was actually faster and more responsive than this thing is right now, so I guess I'm suffering from some withdrawl. I'll root, debloat, supercharge, etc and see how it goes. I'll probably hold on to the X2 and hope for the best because I'd hate to be kicking myself a month from now when CM7 and then MIUI get unleashed. Surely those two ROMs running on this hardware will perform better than my Incredible, not to mention better than the original X.
Of course, if development completely halts in a month then I'll probably just beat my head and cry for what might have been, had I kept the original X. Time will tell. I.....must.......be.........patient.............
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I'm stuck with the phone for the next 18 months, so I won't let it die! How many possble character combinations could there be for the unlock code?
WOW, well the people who are complaining and moaning about not seeing much happening are welcome to leave, nitroglycerine is doing great things with what hes got and CM7 will be a gateway, I'd stick with the X2, it's got tons of potential and is definitely a top of the line device but everything that needs to be done won't just happen overnight, I would suggest hanging in there.
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WOW, well the people who are complaining and moaning about not seeing much happening are welcome to leave, nitroglycerine is doing great things with what hes got and CM7 will be a gateway, I'd stick with the X2, it's got tons of potential and is definitely a top of the line device but everything that needs to be done won't just happen overnight, I would suggest hanging in there.
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Agreed. As more development gets done more developers will get onboard, hopefully. And sooner or later, the bootloader will get cracked & then the fun starts. You'd kick yourself for missing that...& don't forget navendrob, thatdudebutch(team bamf ) & dragonzkiller are working on good things for us too.
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Before i begin my rant, a precursor..This is not a post about the Devs not getting us unlocked BL or whatever may be... Far far from that.. My thanks and Enormous respect and gratitude go out to every single Dev and User who has helped not only myself, but every other user on XDA and other boards with the Droid X2.
The party seems to be over. I think the bulk of us knew, getting the X2 was more of a bridge in the gap til our next big phone, which I believed would be a 2nd Gen 4G LTE device. The droid Bionic hit today and yes, its obviously a much more robust product, kinda the same kinda different, then our beloved X/X2.
Where I live (Long Island) 4G is pretty prevelant.. I have used the Pantech 4G modem on a macbook and it got me 35 Meg down over air (6 meg up), which almost made me faint. This isnt about speed tho and the x2's lack of 4g..
The facts are the Devs are all killing themselves, trying so hard to come up with a way to make teh x2 better.. Untapped and unrealized potential we have in this device. Unfortunatley i dont see a light at the end of this tunnel.
Perhaps Ice Cream will save us end of the year, or Q1 of 2012, but thats doubtful. I came to the X2 on the sheer hope and belif that NVidia's Tegra 2 was gonna reign the supreme King of all processors on the mobile market.. Yet new phones are using TI more now. Why? Dunno.. Motorola has been hush as to why they didnt use the Tegra in the Bionic..
When i got the x2, as im sure most of you had, it was $199.. 4 weeks later its $99. Now its buy one get one free. Every since i have used smartphones (Since the old samsung SCH-i600 Win Mo 2002 phone), I have never seen the life of a phone come and go so fast..
Maybe thats my most annoying thins. It may not be true that the phone is Dead, or that dev will cease, but it sure as hell feels like it, don't it? Look at the facts:
-Hardly Any new topics across 6 different forums (XDA, DroidForums, Motorola, AndroidForums Etc).
-Buy one Get one Free (aka verizon saying PLEASE TAKE THIS OFF OUR HANDS)
I just wanted to get this off my mind.. I love my x2, it has been by far the best phone i ever had, not even CLOSE.. The surely untapped potential of this device, and its dual core capability + Nvidida 3d backing just leaves me craving oh so much more.
A few points in response....
1, I feel you pain a little bit. Im not terribly concerned about the phone itself because, I do like it (except for the damn music skipping..thats pretty annoying).
I also do not enjoy the lack of "chit chat" so to speak on the different forum boards. On the D1, I could make a comment (or a theme) and 20 minutes later the thread was on the 2nd page. I enjoy the communication.
As a themer, I enjoy making them but you are right here somewhat. It takes a lot of hours to make a theme and probably even more over the long run to maintain it. My D1 themes were downloaded 1000's of times. So far, as of last night anyway, my X2 theme has been downloaded 42 times. That makes it real tough to convince myself to keep doing it. Not a slam in anyway, just a limitation of the amount of X2 users.
I bought my D1 as a BOGO and it was over a year before anything came out that made people abondon ship en masse.
The Bionic and probably every 4G phone to come has a price point of $299. Tough pill to swallow when thinking about bailing on the X2.
Eclipse is pretty much the only ROM I use and Nitro seems to be banging it out left and right. I don't think hes going anywhere anytime soon.
Thanks for such a fast response honestly.. It's good to clear the cobwebs around here every once in a while..
You make fantastic points on all fronts.
I can only imagine the time and effort put into your themes and roms etc.. One for which i would never have the time nor patience to get involved in.
As with all technology, and myself being in the IT industry for over 20 years knows, that You get the best, but as soon as you get it, its not the best anymore.. I think what hurt most of all in this entire process, was after the fight and aching to get GB on the X2, its like that was the end of the fight.. Nothing left to look forward too.
The phone works. Every android device has software issues. We all know this. I think the thing every user here wants, is to know just how far and what this X2 can really do.. What happens if we put the pedal to the floor, will this thing burn rubber? Or have we hit the ceiling? Is this all the x2 has and should we months from now when our contracts start dwindling down, start looking at the future alternatives?
My comparison (to laugh), the X2 is like the old Commodore 128. Built on top of the Commodore 64, best selling computer ever, the 128 had promise.. Was faster, more robust, etc.. It never reached its potential because 95% of the time, it was being used in Commodore 64 Mode. Then we all went out and got an IBM.
i dont see the phone being dropped any time soon. it has the new dual core and gpu chipsets and its 100$. not everyone can afford a bionic. also 4g isnt in that many places. i still see people with droid2s. im sure there are people in the boat i was in. pretty much i didnt want a non smart phone for 2 years and verizon had this at 100$ why would you pass that up if you are tight on money
I hear ya, but its not really about not wanting one because of lack of 4g in your area or like that. Obviously the $99 price tag is amazing for what it is, but what i'm saying is that in the what, 4 months the phone has been out it is already shelved, being dismissed, and honestly slowed to a crawl any and all wonderful enhancements we were all waiting and anticipating.
Its the nature of the beast.. Every phone or electronic device goes thru this, i just can not remember one happening tho THIS FAST?
I was an Avid HTC Touch Pro 2 user on verizon.. That thing was honestly DOG SH*T slow since day 1, yet the community kept that alive for me for almost 3 Years of use, as painstaking as it was.. Roms, apps etc that just kept me wanting more and more...
I feel (and i don't think im the only one) like with the Lack of chatter, as a previous post said, the lack of push from motorola, now motogoogle, the locked device etc.. we are at an impasse. Its not anyones fault. It is what it is..
Maybe some of us thouhgt for the initial $199 (more like $320 after all the docs, extra batteries etc that some of us, like me, bought) and we would honestly have a solid year + of things to look forward too.. Instead, (and again this is just my perception, i may be 100% wrong, and or you can see it different) I feel like the development cycle has slowed down because no one can crack this sucker. There pushing us out the door like an after thought..
Hell Verizon ran that Father's Day X2 commercial, for what, 3 weeks maybe.. Not even 1 commercial about the X2 since (Except for 1 buy one get one free offer i saw about a week ago). Aka, Dismissed. Now i didnt expect Verizon to push the thing for 6 months, obviously.. but hey i thought this thing was a special peice of hardware.. C'mon, its NVIDIA ffs. The King of 3D Graphics.. I was (and still am) convinced that if anyone out there was to make a 3d capable device that could have an interface that wipes the iphone off the map, it would be via NVIDIA.
It could be me overthinking things, or just the fact that i Love this hardware... After years upon years of windows mobile bashing my brains to puree (i havent played with win phone 7, its suppose to be SALTY with the Mango update).. To have a device that WORKS is amazing to me still.. I just want more, and i want the users who share the experience with me to have the best possible usage out of a decice that deserved better then it has gotten.
I agree with subdivision. I have and am still having buyers remorse with my x2. The devs for this phone have been great and worked very hard to make this a great phone, but lets face it 4g is where everyone is going now. Not to mention making huge leaps in custom deving a phone truly takes a large dev pool, something that we just don't have.
We recently switched our family plan over to my brothers Wells Fargo corporate account, with that comes one year contracts and no charge for extra lines.
I look forward to next June when I can change this thing in for the next phone.
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honestly a week or 2 ago verizon had nothing that was better than the x2 in my book with maybe the exception of the droid 3 but i hated the keyboard. now they have the bionic if you want to pay for it. i guess verizon just has ****ty phones
Ok I just got my DX2 Friday and I moved from the Droid Eris we spent 8mo to get a full working root for everyone s-on and leaked 2.1 users. Someone knows someone just like in our case who gave up an answer to what we were missing on vulnerability.
Has anyone gone outside of this forum to find Devs bftb0, TopazArron, JCase, Darchstar, rigmarts, tazzpatriot, punkaos,and zifnab06 these are all Super intelligent Devs/Hackers that I was in on the IRC with researching for months exploits.
Who do we have dev wise that has rooted a phone from a 0day? Are we setting up them an IRC server and letting only thoes members in? I see a lot of prommised money and that is all good but no traffic for a Dev to root a device is present. I am not aware of who found the current workarounds or if other exploits worked so if there are Devs active sorry didn't know just got the phone.
The Droid Eris had no commercial time at all I just found it cause it was cheaper than the Droid 1. Once an root was found the aboved mentioned move on to other devices but the Themers and ROM Devs steped in and are still going, all for a phone that isn't even sold anymore.
So instead of being all upset about it spend that time getting to know other devs from other forums and finding out exploits or befriending them to possibly work on our phone. I just tweeted Jcase to see what he is up to.
A good Dev will enjoy the challenge this Ef'n bootloader and Communist Motorola has created. And with the recent purchase of Motorola by Google could be a good thing, most of the Season Rooters have contacts in Google and could get info.
I just went to PM Jcase and he is currently active looking at the bounty page. Now since it is a bunch of people just offering money I would think if the second pot for a DX2 for the Dev to use has to be legit. They are going to have to have one or two if they do work on it.
I think our best hacker for x2 is navenedrob and he doesn't even own an x2 lol
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Once again, i don't mean to be repetitive, but please do not take this thread as a "OMG THE DEVS ARENT DOING ANYTHING JUMP SHIP" post.. Totally not my intent.
Voicing my frustration at Verizon, Motorola.. and to a lesser extent NVidia and Google. No phone is perfect, again we all know that. This device COULD be one of if not a TOP Tier phone for the next 2 years if the proper people and channels got together and did something about it.
First off Verizon could have really pushed the Dual Core Phone as the future, and heads above the rest, since it out benchmarked every phone they had almost 5 fold.
Motorola could have been seen as a savior, instead of a villain, by giving us that true open source Option.. Unlocked Phone, Choice to remove Blur etc..
Google could have gotten off its pile of huge money and stock and said "Hey, we don't like how you are using our OS on this device, that has to change Pronto"..
NVidia could have said "Hey why are you not taking proper advantage of Our Tegra 2 chipset to show really what this bad boy can do?".
What IF's.. Thats all we have had with this phone.. What iF it was unlocked.. What IF both cores were truly being used correctly.. what if.. what if.. what if..
Our phone is a Very Very good phone. I Love it.. I have tailored it to suit me SO well that i honestly wouldn't change it for any device short of maybe the Galaxy S 2 only cause that seems to be the phone thats making everyone go gaga.. but i will say the Simple reason i didn't get a thunderbolt or wait for the bionic was the scary 4G battery life issue.
My upgrade was available in MARCH. I waited until JUNE to get the X2 to research and make a proper educated decision, along with my friend Ringo was was an AVID X User, and how much he loved it. I said OMG X + Nvidia = JESUS REINCARNATED AS A PHONE!
Maybe if anything, maybe my post can somehow get a snowball rolling down a hill. Maybe it will or can motivate that bunch of people to come out of the woodworks and say, u know what, this thing really deserves to show what it can do.
If in any way i could help this community, hardware, software, money whatever was to my ability, i would in a heartbeat.. only because i believe in every single user who visits XDA and these forums as users who truly are INTO their devices and only wants the best for the user base.
I prey a year from now, we are all on some great custom rome, running ice Ice Cream Sandwich and saying my god how this almost 2 year old device is still one of the best phones on the market.
I'm with ya Sub, we were probably shopping phones about the same time. When it became clear that the bionic was a ways out I plunked down my cash for the X2. It was a big jump coming from my trusty TP2. I would have to say that my TP2 was the best phone I've had. It was FAR more stable than this thing. My wife is about ready to throw it out the window when it crashes and reboots at night and makes the famous "drooiiid" sound and wakes her up. Coming from winmo it seemed like android was the way to go since WP7 was going to be completely locked down. I have been disappointed to see how weak android is out of the box, and to see that I can't even do a wifi hotspot with this phone (at least without paying).
I do think that there's some light at the end of the tunnel though. I've seen a LOT more marketing for the X2 in the last couple weeks. Yes, they're selling them cheap, and they're doing BOGO, but they're doing the same thing with the Droid3. So I don't think its dumping excess hardware. Hopefully its building user base and with more users they'll fix some of the phones problems. Verizon sent me a trade-in notice offering $100 or more trade in for a bionic, so if I pitched a fit maybe they'd let me in on one of those. I considered it for a short time, but 4G is pointless for me for probably years. And I really do like the docks for the X2, I just wish they weren't so buggy.
I think I'm going to try to hang in there for a while, and hopefully we see some progress. Maybe somebody will even figure out how to get the thing to play an mp3 track without skipping.
Thanks man..
There are 2 people here in the boat with us.. Those that are under contract who HAVE to wait for something new, and those who aren't but love the X2 to stay with it...
I for one wouldn't change it right now as i love the phone, i just want it to succeed where others have failed, and truly take advantage of the hardware we were given.
I still want to know why motorola only put 512M (or 414 whatever) in this thing, which just made ZERO sense to me... With ram being so available, and So cheap, why not toss at least 1GB, or 2GB.. Set it apart.
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I said OMG X + Nvidia = JESUS REINCARNATED AS A PHONE!
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Lol right, the bootloader killed it, and everyone's busy with the 4g's thats what going on, vzw pushing 4g the "thunderbolt" No one cares about a dual core... I mean the d3 is deadish too, Bionic might save it, cuz it has same processor, but moto's dead atm, sh-t battery etc
I have PM jt1134 from the Fascinate forum. An effort to try and get another dev possibly interested in joining minds with others here. He's well respected there but I'm not sure of his interest here, if any. It's worth a shot!
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Lol right, the bootloader killed it, and everyone's busy with the 4g's thats what going on, vzw pushing 4g the "thunderbolt" No one cares about a dual core... I mean the d3 is deadish too, Bionic might save it, cuz it has same processor, but moto's dead atm, sh-t battery etc
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I don't think bionic has Tehran. I believe it is TI omap
And moto is mum on why they didn't use tegra. Is it possible that ia where our buggy music problem resides? Since they don't seem to wanna admit that either
I'm pretty sure the tegra 2 didn't get along with 4g. That's why it was scrapped 9 mos ago.
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I don't think bionic has Tehran. I believe it is TI omap
And moto is mum on why they didn't use tegra. Is it possible that ia where our buggy music problem resides? Since they don't seem to wanna admit that either
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Yeah, d3 has a ti
Honestly I wouldn't worry about this phone fading away man it has a lot going for it. I mean we have Nitro w/ Eclipse and Naven whom is going to uploaded all atrix ports which I am looking forward to (esp alien rom). I know someone is working on getting CM7! We have 2nd init going for us now, and if moto keeps true to it's word an unlocked bootloader soon? As for the switch to TI I think it has something to do w/ the partnership w/ Google. Yes the Bionic has a tad more power under it's belt, but nothing earth shattering imo. The newer blur probably coded better, but I want a full AOSP experience anyways so I'm not too worried about that.
X2 pretty much carries the specs of the Bionic concept I think? The Tegra 2, 512 MB of DDR2, qHD, it just lacks 4G which I could care less about since I have a 100 mbps connection at home. FFC I could care less about either, the 1GB of RAM woulda been nice though. I still love the X2 though it's GREAT as a phone, best in call quality I've experienced in awhile. So don't worry the X2 will have development and will be around for awhile.
I think the responses in this thread give us all reason for future hope, granted its not blowing up XDA, but it still shows i think some true and viable interest here.. It was and is a downer to see lack of new threads, and just overall activity for our beloved X2, hence why i think i created this tread..
Stirr the pot.. Kick the tires.. See if the motor is still runnin or are we about to get sent to the junk pile.
Here is what i would love to happen in a perfect world:
Unlocked Bootloader (DUH)
A myrad of custom roms of all walks and versions of Android
Customization like the old Win Mobile devices
True dual core coding and usage of apps and the os
Freedom to truly take this thing to a new level.
Freedom is the key.. How is it were on an open source device, that is basically closed thx to Motorola.. How can google not be really P.O'd about that?
I believe in this user base, especially those here @ XDA, where honestly the true and best mobile programmers, coders, and customizers seem to come when things are happenin the way it should.
For all the trash people talk about this device, if someone ever cracks the bootloader you know for a fact were gonna have 50 devs and 5000 people jump on this phone overnight
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So im still debating of getting a razor since the maxx came out however i still havent found something that the razor is better in from the nexus. As right now i just know the razor has better signal and sound/call quality (call quality i could careless about as i dont call that much). The very very main thing thats keeping me away from the razor is the locked bootloader and the possibility of a dev-dead device. ICS, not a big deal razor will get it eventually. So back to the main thing, what is there about the razor that is "WOW OMFG" over the nexus? CPU? GPU? Im super frustrated over this as verizon has only 1 exchange and i do not wanna screw it up.
Build Quality.
The droid RAZR has one of the best hardware specifications in the market, however there are some phones which got better hardware like Galaxy Note for example.
But the WOW about the droid RAZR which I couldn't find in any other android phone is it's build quality and it's solid feel. It's so sexy. Kelvar fabrics on the back, gorilla glass on the front, coating around the hardware which protects it from water, amazingly thin. I love my RAZR
Along with it's smart acessories, just check the look on your friends when you attach you're phone to the laptop dock and start using it as your laptop.
When I used to compare my previous android phones with iPhone I used to feel that my phone is cheaper.
With the RAZR you wont get that feeling.
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So im still debating of getting a razor since the maxx came out however i still havent found something that the razor is better in from the nexus. As right now i just know the razor has better signal and sound/call quality (call quality i could careless about as i dont call that much). The very very main thing thats keeping me away from the razor is the locked bootloader and the possibility of a dev-dead device. ICS, not a big deal razor will get it eventually. So back to the main thing, what is there about the razor that is "WOW OMFG" over the nexus? CPU? GPU? Im super frustrated over this as verizon has only 1 exchange and i do not wanna screw it up.
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It's comments like this that kill the internet, if you have an opinion share it. If not, bugger off. I'm pretty sure people know how to google, they got here, right?
ANYWAY, back on the topic:
Hardware wise - the only thing the Gnex has that the RAZR doesn't is NFC and a slightly curved screen. The Gnex's camera is only 5mp I belive, whereas the RAZR's is 8 - So hardwarewise, I'd go with the RAZR
Feeling - like stated, the RAZR feels solid and amazing in your hands. It's a little big (some people's thumbs cant reach all the way across), but for most that isn't a deal breaker. The curve of the Gnex literally does nothing for me. and the Gnex kinda has that plasticy feel that does make it seem cheap.
Software - yes Gnex has ICS, and as everyone knows, the RAZR is poised toget it. BUT Gingerbread right now isn't too shabby on it. The RAZR has the best stock OS I've seen. I actually have turned down ROMs because the stock is sexy, sleek and works very well with the device.
Hackability - This is the sad part for me.
The Gnex has an unlocked bootloader and some pretty amazing ROMs already.
Moto seems hellbent on not unlocking the bootloader, so ROM development has to get creative on the RAZR, there's some great ROMs, but they're "fun" to build and implement.
Hope that helps a little.
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i can bet 50$ right on the table that 80% if not all your 128 post are like this, pointless and useless. I am looking for a user experience, opinion not **** google provides. So please get a life and quit posting dumb things around and clutter the forums. Im surprised you still haven't gotten banned.
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It's comments like this that kill the internet, if you have an opinion share it. If not, bugger off. I'm pretty sure people know how to google, they got here, right?
ANYWAY, back on the topic:
Hardware wise - the only thing the Gnex has that the RAZR doesn't is NFC and a slightly curved screen. The Gnex's camera is only 5mp I belive, whereas the RAZR's is 8 - So hardwarewise, I'd go with the RAZR
Feeling - like stated, the RAZR feels solid and amazing in your hands. It's a little big (some people's thumbs cant reach all the way across), but for most that isn't a deal breaker. The curve of the Gnex literally does nothing for me. and the Gnex kinda has that plasticy feel that does make it seem cheap.
Software - yes Gnex has ICS, and as everyone knows, the RAZR is poised toget it. BUT Gingerbread right now isn't too shabby on it. The RAZR has the best stock OS I've seen. I actually have turned down ROMs because the stock is sexy, sleek and works very well with the device.
Hackability - This is the sad part for me.
The Gnex has an unlocked bootloader and some pretty amazing ROMs already.
Moto seems hellbent on not unlocking the bootloader, so ROM development has to get creative on the RAZR, there's some great ROMs, but they're "fun" to build and implement.
Hope that helps a little.
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thank you for the neat rightup. got me leaning now towards the razr maxx. I release now how cheap the nexus is.
I originally purchased the RAZR on release day, and really liked it. But the inner hacker in me was let down. Until recently there was no SBF file, and only one ROM for it (for the Verizon RAZR), and no unlocked bootloader. So I gave it to the wife and bought myself a Galaxy Nexus. And it pacifies the inner hacker, being VERY difficult to brick. I truly like both. If you want a phone that is aesthetically pleasing, feels like granite, but you arent too in to messing with it, then the RAZR is for you. If you want to overclock it until it bleeds electrons and try out ROM after ROM after ROM, then the GNex is for you.
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i can bet 50$ right on the table that 80% if not all your 128 post are like this, pointless and useless. I am looking for a user experience, opinion not **** google provides. So please get a life and quit posting dumb things around and clutter the forums. Im surprised you still haven't gotten banned.
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Calm down, sport. You owe me $50.
The RAZR overall has better specs. So in the long run, when it get ICS, it'll be better than Nexus. Hope that helps; dry up those tears.
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There is at least 8 different roms for the RAZR over at droidrzr.com they have alot of exclusive content... there is now an alpha build of cm9 that kicks @ss! So if the locked bootloader is stopping you, it isn't stopping our devoted developers
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I run a group on Yahoo. We have archives going back to 1996. But when someone asks a question that has been asked many times before, we answer it. Because we are a community, and we help and support one another, and the answer may be different now than it was then. This is in part a social place, so let's be sociable and help one another. It will pay dividends in the long run.
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There is at least 8 different roms for the RAZR over at droidrzr.com they have alot of exclusive content... there is now an alpha build of cm9 that kicks @ss! So if the locked bootloader is stopping you, it isn't stopping our devoted developers
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If there is a alpha build of cm9 for the razr, I'm sold. Picking one up the maxx first thing tmr. Thank you guys.
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Why did you even bother to post this? I never understand how people can be so *****y. Did you just get out of bed this morning and say to yourself, "gee, i'm going to go get on my computer and read the RAZR XDA forums and see if i can find a posts where i can seem like a smartass" I hate myself for even replying to this, but hopefully the flaming you get will make you think again before doing so.
As for the question at hand...
Having had both, i like the RAZR better. ICS seems buggy and nexus is going to be a vanilla phone. I for one hate AOSP and that's what you get, no bells and whistles. It feels bigger, wierd and looks ugly to me. Webtop is something that i use daily and 3 co-workers have bought a razr because of just seeing my phone. nobody even game my Nexus a second look.
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Why did you even bother to post this? I never understand how people can be so *****y. Did you just get out of bed this morning and say to yourself, "gee, i'm going to go get on my computer and read the RAZR XDA forums and see if i can find a posts where i can seem like a smartass" I hate myself for even replying to this, but hopefully the flaming you get will make you think again before doing so.
As for the question at hand...
Having had both, i like the RAZR better. ICS seems buggy and nexus is going to be a vanilla phone. I for one hate AOSP and that's what you get, no bells and whistles. It feels bigger, wierd and looks ugly to me. Webtop is something that i use daily and 3 co-workers have bought a razr because of just seeing my phone. nobody even game my Nexus a second look.
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I oversee and manage programmers for a living. So it must be my "look it up" views kicking in. Sorry. I think.
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I oversee and manage programmers for a living. So it must be my "look it up" views kicking in. Sorry. I think.
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an apology goes a long way here. We appreciate that.
Just a note to that. I'm a senior programmer and what makes me that is not just how awesome my skills are, but how well I teach it to others. I'm bombarded by novice questions all the time and many times i have to repeat myself in the same answer. But its more than just being nice, it grows the company for me to share even if it pains me. A prosperous company will circle back to prosper me. I could answer "didn't i tell you that last week, or Check your email, it was emailed a month ago to the group" but that will just make them not to want to ask, learn, and eventually I will be the only one that knows how to do it. Which is not good for anyone.
If people who ask novice questions here are put off, they will leave. If they learn, perhaps they can learn enough to become developers and perhaps give you the next greatest ROM here. At least that's how i think of it.
I apologize myself for elaborating, but on the surface it appears as two wrongs. Thought it was worth the explanation as to why we came down on you too. Good to see we all see the bigger picture here.
No one has mentioned the web top yet. That is a big feature for me.
There are also some awesome devs working on this phone at droidrzr and they have been cranking out the ROMs over the last month. There is a pretty good variety including ICS
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Intesting Question.
There is no doubt that the Razr has a superior build quality. I have the Samsung Galaxy SII Skyrocket and judging from the build of the SII the Razr if far superior, as far as design the SII is a bit generic since this design is starting to be dated. The Razr has an interesting design somewhat staying away from the rectangle that Apple is trying to lay claim to. The Razr seems very solid in feel and I notice no creaks, or loose fitting parts. Trust me I've had 2 Razrs both was returned to Rogers and the Third I'm using as a spare at the moment. All three had a really good build quality, aside from that OS has somewhat of an issue. What I did notice is that I believe the software has something to do with the Random shutdowns and the second one just dieing. The Third one has been sent to repair and has been reflashed, having the phone on for 2 days I had no random reboot or shutdown so far. It looks as thought build is great but os or firmware has issues.
And here i am. Didnt feel like waiting till tmr so i went out and go it today. I dont know what i was thinking picking up the nexus. Well i have some studing to do on how to root, flash. Thank you guys for convincing me to go with the razr. Its one great device, i already love it like i did my atrix 4g.
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Aside from what i read so far.
*Smart actions - auto turn on vibrate when i get to work, church etc. Reminx me to charge battery, save battery etc.
*motocast - i access or stream files from my home server like they were on my phone. Personal cloud!
Loud speakerphone - pretty important to me.
And moto accessories can't be beat.
I couldn't go back to a normal car dock. The built in car software that is triggered by the dock is amazing.
Webtop laptop option and more
The Gnex has non of the above.
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No one has mentioned the web top yet. That is a big feature for me.
There are also some awesome devs working on this phone at droidrzr and they have been cranking out the ROMs over the last month. There is a pretty good variety including ICS
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Very Good point as well. Although I don't use the webtop - that is certainly a selling point for the RAZR.
Maybe this sheds more hope on the X2 getting ICS? The main difference between the phones are the X2 has a dual-core processor while the Incredible 2 has a single-core, but the Incredible 2 has 768MB of RAM while the X2 has 512MB. They both came out at around the same time period as well. Wouldn't the dual-core/single-core processor make a bigger difference on performance with ICS versus the 256MB extra of RAM?
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/02/1...nd-rhyme-will-all-receive-ice-cream-sandwich/
If the Incredible 2 gets it and the X2 doesn't I'm going to be slightly frustrated on the matter.
Hmm, unlocked bootloaders on older phones as well as ICS?
HTC is where I'm headed next when it's time to upgrade this summer...
Well, unless memory management is a real mess on Android, I don't see why 512MBs of ram isn't enough. I ran WinXP for something like 2 years with 512 for 2 years and it ran smooth and fast. Then I added another 512 and to be honest, I couldn't tell the difference. The two OS's don't even compare when it comes to size and what needs to be loaded into ram.
Granted, the processor on the computer was twice as fast as the one on the X2, but I know people who ran XP just fine on the same amount of ram and a 1GHz single core processor. A bit slower than mine, but it ran fine. Perhaps I'm missing something. Don't know but it doesn't make sense to me.
its simple
Motorola has released so many freaking phones lately that they do not have the time/manpower to keep up with updating them so they are gonna pick their biggest sellers and update them.
the x2 was simply a flop seller for them.
between the D3 coming out close to it, and the buzz around the bionic at the time, along with all the returned devices because the damn phone can't even play music smoothly consistently, it just seems like they aren't to worried about the relatively "small" percentage of customers they will piss off either by taking WAY to long to update us, or just altogether snuffing us on the update...
rant rant rant bla bla bla and all that nonsensical banter
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ashclepdia said:
its simple
Motorola has released so many freaking phones lately that they do not have the time/manpower to keep up with updating them so they are gonna pick their biggest sellers and update them.
the x2 was simply a flop seller for them.
between the D3 coming out close to it, and the buzz around the bionic at the time, along with all the returned devices because the damn phone can't even play music smoothly consistently, it just seems like they aren't to worried about the relatively "small" percentage of customers they will piss off either by taking WAY to long to update us, or just altogether snuffing us on the update...
rant rant rant bla bla bla and all that nonsensical banter
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You, sir, get a gold star and go to the head of the class. In other word, right on the money.
hell even the HTC thunderbolt is getting ICS
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ztotherad said:
hell even the HTC thunderbolt is getting ICS
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Hence, that's why I'm going HTC for my next phone. They at least seem to give a crap about their customers whereas Motorola wants to saturate the market with as many new phones as possible, going completely against their promise not to do so.
Oh well, this is the same company that promised to unlock their bootloaders by the 4th quarter of 2011 and we all now how smooth and wonderful that went.
I know someone posted that he despised HTC because they didn't seem to last long , going bad in a few months due to hardware failures. Has anyone else noticed that before or even now? Just curious.
iBolski said:
Hence, that's why I'm going HTC for my next phone. They at least seem to give a crap about their customers whereas Motorola wants to saturate the market with as many new phones as possible, going completely against their promise not to do so.
Oh well, this is the same company that promised to unlock their bootloaders by the 4th quarter of 2011 and we all now how smooth and wonderful that went.
I know someone posted that he despised HTC because they didn't seem to last long , going bad in a few months due to hardware failures. Has anyone else noticed that before or even now? Just curious.
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The HTC phone owners I know absolutely rave about their phones. I haven't heard about any hardware failures from them, and we talk about our phones frequently. So far, I've heard the best reviews on the Rezound. Which HTC are you considering?
ashclepdia said:
its simple
Motorola has released so many freaking phones lately that they do not have the time/manpower to keep up with updating them so they are gonna pick their biggest sellers and update them.
the x2 was simply a flop seller for them.
between the D3 coming out close to it, and the buzz around the bionic at the time, along with all the returned devices because the damn phone can't even play music smoothly consistently, it just seems like they aren't to worried about the relatively "small" percentage of customers they will piss off either by taking WAY to long to update us, or just altogether snuffing us on the update...
rant rant rant bla bla bla and all that nonsensical banter
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+1 , indeed.
Think that the massive amounts of phones being created and released will decrease now that Google has acquired Motorola? That maybe, just maybe, they'll focus on quality over quantity?
iBolski said:
Hence, that's why I'm going HTC for my next phone. They at least seem to give a crap about their customers whereas Motorola wants to saturate the market with as many new phones as possible, going completely against their promise not to do so.
Oh well, this is the same company that promised to unlock their bootloaders by the 4th quarter of 2011 and we all now how smooth and wonderful that went.
I know someone posted that he despised HTC because they didn't seem to last long , going bad in a few months due to hardware failures. Has anyone else noticed that before or even now? Just curious.
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I had a tmobile htc g1 for like 3 years. That thing was indestructible, and i even had gingerbread on it when it finally died. It fell into water no less, not even a hardware failure. Since then iv had an Incredible, which was a tough cookie as well, and a thunderbolt after that. Any talk of failures bar the software bugs the Tbolt had in its release IMO are pretty few and far between. i know i had great luck with them, and had i not loved my droidx so much in the time i had it, i probably wouldnt have a dx2. i do miss my unlocked bootloaders, and 1.8ghz OC on my tbolt too bad the battery life was atrocious. Id say go for an htc next
I also have to think that HTC has hit upon something with their recent commentary about shifting from producing a lot of models of smartphone to producing a few very GOOD models of smartphone. I'm all for this, I don't see any reason why there should be 10 varieties of phone from a single vendor on a couple of carriers, you're just creating problems like what we're seeing from Motorola here.
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Hence, that's why I'm going HTC for my next phone. They at least seem to give a crap about their customers whereas Motorola wants to saturate the market with as many new phones as possible, going completely against their promise not to do so.
Oh well, this is the same company that promised to unlock their bootloaders by the 4th quarter of 2011 and we all now how smooth and wonderful that went.
I know someone posted that he despised HTC because they didn't seem to last long , going bad in a few months due to hardware failures. Has anyone else noticed that before or even now? Just curious.
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In my past experience with HTC phones they didn't last long at all. I had a few crap out on me with hardware failure. But, that was a few years ago they may have better hardware now. Or I would really hope so anyways.
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Every phone I've ever bought turned out to be crap and loose support within months. Next Time its either HTC or Samsung. I vowed not to get Motorola before I bought the X2 but bought it anyway. I love the phone but once again feel shafted.
Our company went with the origional incredible (10-15 phones) and didn't have many hardware issues that I'm aware of. Coverage was typical far as I could tell.
Me, I took a X back then and loved it till they killed it with GB. They offered me a few choices as a free replacement and I took the X2 thinking I had the docks etc for it.
At this point I'm not hesitating to jump ship from Moto, like alot have already said, to many phones pushed onto the market spreading the support for them way way to thin.
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i wasn't impressed with my samsung. my fascinate seemed like it was forgotten the moment it was released. nice screen, though. my inc2 is three times the phone that was, and is currently running ICS with very few bugs, save for buggy camera. the biggest issue and gripe about htc is the audio. on the inc2, at least, the audio levels are low on custom roms unless tweaked in the kernel, due to the weird way they did the audio on this phone. i do like the phone, but for pure modding, i don't think you can beat a nexus. that may be my next device. i'd LOVE to see an HTC nexus.
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i'd LOVE to see an HTC nexus.
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Yep, the N1 (and its twin, the original Desire) is one of the best Android phones of all time.
I don't understand why you guys are complaining that X2 isn't getting ICS. I mean this phone came out in April or May11... There has only been 1 phone to even release with ICS since then and the next is still about a month out. By the time a ICS update would even hit for this phone, you would probably be a couple months from a upgrade anyway and a waaay better phone.
btw I had a HTC Incredible. Amazing phone and I abused the heck out of it on a physical and software level. Id go back to HTC in a heartbeat when their tegra 3 phone comes out.
I'mma be honest. I personally don't care if this phone gets ICS or not. I've toyed around with a nexus before and I still don't see what the big fuss over ICS is about. Sure ICS would be cool, but I wouldnt cry if I didn't get it lol.
754boy said:
I'mma be honest. I personally don't care if this phone gets ICS or not. I've toyed around with a nexus before and I still don't see what the big fuss over ICS is about. Sure ICS would be cool, but I wouldnt cry if I didn't get it lol.
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but the fact remains
Motorola publicly stated/promised to give updates and support devices for 18 MONTHS AFTER RELEASE. our x2 is perfectly capable of handling ics, we SHOULD get it. if we don't I for one will chalk it up to Motorola being lazy, not trying hard enough,.and being greedy (many people WANT ics and by not updating x2 many people will go buy a new device)
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All this talk about HTC and Sami phones being better and all. But put aside cool features and even usability cuz of an unlocked bootloader. Do they sound as good as a phone?
I thought the D3 was a better sounding but had to choose ours cuz of the Bluetooth tone that is forced on D3 users. Yet I never heard a phone sound as good as the original Droid.
Rant off.
754boy said:
I'mma be honest. I personally don't care if this phone gets ICS or not. I've toyed around with a nexus before and I still don't see what the big fuss over ICS is about. Sure ICS would be cool, but I wouldnt cry if I didn't get it lol.
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Because of hardware acceleration. It offloads graphical processing from the CPU and places it where it belongs: on the GPU.
Better multitasking via a kernel rewrite to make the system smoother.
Those are the two biggies for me.
And, unless the X2 gets an ICS kernel, you won't see those two things.
....that some people don't like this phone.
Well i started to hate motorola after buying this phone (even though i consider it a great phone) so i don't think that is strange that other people who previusly had a motorola know ar not buying it anymore
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Well i started to hate motorola after buying this phone (even though i consider it a great phone) so i don't think that is strange that other people who previusly had a motorola know ar not buying it anymore
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Why did you hate Motorola after buying this phone?
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Why did you hate Motorola after buying this phone?
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For not caring a shi*t of they costumers and for locking the bootlaoder on an open source os like android
Android should be open and free to all of us to play with. Bootloader
Battery life => 2 Days RazrMaxx
I want to complain about having a fully functional phone that exceeds my expectations every day. I would also like to complain about not having a completely free update to my phone the exact second someone on the internet told me it would be avaliable. You know what? Stop fixing bugs Motorola. I want my software now otherwise a couple weeks down the road, I'll have nothing to complain about. And as a consumer, I always need something to complain about! Nothing is good enough for me! Rabble rabble rabble!
There you go, I just summarized this forum over the past couple weeks.
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I want to complain about having a fully functional phone that exceeds my expectations every day. I would also like to complain about not having a completely free update to my phone the exact second someone on the internet told me it would be avaliable. You know what? Stop fixing bugs Motorola. I want my software now otherwise a couple weeks down the road, I'll have nothing to complain about. And as a consumer, I always need something to complain about! Nothing is good enough for me! Rabble rabble rabble!
There you go, I just summarized this forum over the past couple weeks.
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This made my day hahahahahahaa xD
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I'll see you in hell.. where the devil knows my name...
I have a Razr Maxx side by side with a Galaxy Nexus, and taking out all the politics and love/hate to their manufacturers, here is my evaluation of them as PHONES (ya know, thingies that make calls):
- Gnex - early ICS, tried more than 10 different ROMs until I settled for one that is just blazing fast. Battery - barely a day. Insufficient battery life, for my needs.
- Razr - Good hardware. Lots of trolling on forums, caused by Motorola's delays. Amazing battery, but without several ROMs to test, the only usable thing is an ICS leak that underperforms - sluggish, and no native SIP (no, I don't want it through 3rd party apps - Gnex's ICS has it. Period.).
I do have a 3200mAh battery for the Gnex. Lasts more than a day with it, but looks like a telephone with a disease. Or a very healthy brick.
At the end of the day, I like them both, but I just wish I had a Gnex with the Razr's battery.
I want to complain about ics leak 211 running great on my RAZR Maxx. ..but then I woke up and realised its as good as it selling. I read something today stating the RAZR/Maxx line gas outsold Verizon's iPhone 4s finally. Might not be much but that's a good foothold.
I like my razr, really much, he's like a son for me, the perfect son.
I just hate motorola, really hate..
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Other than the data issue with this phone. Its perfectly fine.
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For not caring a shi*t of they costumers and for locking the bootlaoder on an open source os like android
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Android should be open and free to all of us to play with. Bootloader
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None of your gripes happened after you bought your phones. Why would you buy a phone that did not meet your needs? And Android IS open source... to the manufacturers. You DO understand that Motorola is a business, right? They're not a non-profit organization serving some altruistic higher calling. They have one obligation- to sell phones, tablets, and accessories at a price that will generate a profit for the stockholders. That's it. They never promised an unlocked bootloader. They have, historically, given free updates to the folk who buy their phones.
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None of your gripes happened after you bought your phones. Why would you buy a phone that did not meet your needs? And Android IS open source... to the manufacturers. You DO understand that Motorola is a business, right? They're not a non-profit organization serving some altruistic higher calling. They have one obligation- to sell phones, tablets, and accessories at a price that will generate a profit for the stockholders. That's it. They never promised an unlocked bootloader. They have, historically, given free updates to the folk who buy their phones.
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They never put on they commercial that they have a locked bootloader and also i bought my phone when it was on sale so i took the offer and i didn't tought that it will have a locked bootloader (my naive thought, coming from a n1, was oh nice is an android i can do whather i want)
Also is true that a company doesn't have ony obbligation to give some nice support to their customers, but do you really think that people knowing that will ever buy something from them? I'm pretty sure that everyone here that are whining about the bootloader will NEVER suggest a motorola to their friend,parents etc.
They can make us happy without too much hassle, yet they still continue this way and i'm pretty sure that this thing influence the sales( last motorola quarter was not too good even though the razr and the droid 4 are awesome smartphones)
p.s they promised the bootloader unlock: http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ockable-in-late-2011-where-carriers-allow-it/
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Android should be open and free to all of us to play with. Bootloader
Battery life => 2 Days RazrMaxx
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i must be doing something wrong on my maxx because i don't even get a day and 1/2.
Seeing how long it takes to develop ics,, which I suspect started even before the product is launched.. I wonder how long it would take for us to get jelly beans..
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vash_h said:
Seeing how long it takes to develop ics,, which I suspect started even before the product is launched.. I wonder how long it would take for us to get jelly beans..
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were not going to get jellybean.
BakaPhoenix said:
They never put on they commercial that they have a locked bootloader and also i bought my phone when it was on sale so i took the offer and i didn't tought that it will have a locked bootloader (my naive thought, coming from a n1, was oh nice is an android i can do whather i want)
Also is true that a company doesn't have ony obbligation to give some nice support to their customers, but do you really think that people knowing that will ever buy something from them? I'm pretty sure that everyone here that are whining about the bootloader will NEVER suggest a motorola to their friend,parents etc.
They can make us happy without too much hassle, yet they still continue this way and i'm pretty sure that this thing influence the sales( last motorola quarter was not too good even though the razr and the droid 4 are awesome smartphones)
p.s they promised the bootloader unlock: http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ockable-in-late-2011-where-carriers-allow-it/
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Oh, where to begin...
Some guy on the internet says Motorola says they'll unlock the bootloader? Sorry... not official word, not corroborated, blah blah blah. About as believable as that guy who was posting bogus ICS pictures here for the last couple weeks.
Maybe you need to check your info... The Razr is the #1 selling smartphone at Verizon... even surpassing the iPhone.
I've had great support on all my Motorola phones (my Razr Maxx is my 4th). On this phone alone, I've had 2 updates, and ICS should be here shortly. On my last phone, it started on Eclair, was updated to Froyo, and then to Gingerbread. And in between and after, it's had other maintenance updates, too. What more do you want... a valet to charge it for you when it gets low?
I'm sorry that you didn't properly research your phone before you bought it. But whose fault is that? It's certainly not Motorola's.
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fix-this! said:
were not going to get jellybean.
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*Citation needed
sRDennyCrane said:
Oh, where to begin...
*Citation needed
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not really.
fix-this! said:
not really.
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Again, my last phone was updated from Eclair to Froyo to Gingerbread. You have no basis in claiming the Razr will not get Jellybean. Unless you have some proof... which I doubt.