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Anyone know if the the HTC Wizard needs the 4-pin or the 5-pin USB Mini-B cable for syncing & charging from a PC?
I'm using my SONY camera's USB cable, and it has 5 pins visible inside. Dunno if it's using all 5, but there you go
ZeBoxx said:
I'm using my SONY camera's USB cable, and it has 5 pins visible inside. Dunno if it's using all 5, but there you go
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Thank you very much. That's what I needed to know before I went out and bought some cables.
Yeah, it got 5 pins inside, for sure!
I have my original cable attached to my computer at work where I am right now, so it was easy to check
You can get a retractable USB-A to USB Mini 5-pin (the cable the Wizard needs) here:
http://www.pcmall.com/pcmall/shop/detail~dpno~141388.asp
http://www.boxwave.com/products/com...-a-to-mini-usb-5-pin-hi-speed-usb-2-0_579.htm
I had one for my Treo and I still have all the attachments (wall plug and cigarette plug) so they will fit right into that.
I am not sure if the phone can take advantage of USB 2 so the second link might not be worth the money.
I think its possible to use the same carcharger from the HTCTyTN (Hermes) and HTCTyTNII for the HTC Touch HD. I read somewhere its possible. Somebody any experience with that!
luckyuser said:
I think its possible to use the same carcharger from the HTCTyTN (Hermes) and HTCTyTNII for the HTC Touch HD. I read somewhere its possible. Somebody any experience with that!
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Should, my car charger for my Tilt works fine with the Fuze. It's the same connector. I do believe all HTC products have the same connector.
beachboyde said:
Should, my car charger for my Tilt works fine with the Fuze. It's the same connector. I do believe all HTC products have the same connector.
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Actually, its just a simple mini usb connector. My Mitac Mio A701 has the same. I am using the same car charger for Mio A701 and HTC touch HD. I use a Kensington USB charger, for 6.99 euros its yours. Then use any normal usb to mini usb cable...
david-v said:
Actually, its just a simple mini usb connector.
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Unfortunately, it's NOT a standard mini usb connector. HTC has a different connector that very much looks like but isn't mini usb. You can't use a mini usb cable with HTC devices.
Here's a picture of HTC connector: http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/index.php/2006/09/10/htc_hermes_usb_connector_pin_config , as opposed to the mini usb connector (http://www.accesscomms.com.au/reference/usb.htm)
What's true, though, is that all newer HTC devices use the same connector, so you are able to use the cable from any other HTC device you might have.
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Unfortunately, it's NOT a standard mini usb connector. HTC has a different connector that very much looks like but isn't mini usb. You can't use a mini usb cable with HTC devices.
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You are wrong. With the Touch HD comes an ordinary Mini USB cable.
Charging is done by the pins for normal USB. The ExtUSB additional pins are for a headset only.
this is the one I use and it works no problem .....
http://www.uxcell.com/car-charger-for-motorola-razr-black-p-3590.html
it charged my TYTNII as well, it's one I had from a previous phone
cgdams said:
Unfortunately, it's NOT a standard mini usb connector. HTC has a different connector that very much looks like but isn't mini usb. You can't use a mini usb cable with HTC devices.
Here's a picture of HTC connector: http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/index.php/2006/09/10/htc_hermes_usb_connector_pin_config , as opposed to the mini usb connector (http://www.accesscomms.com.au/reference/usb.htm)
What's true, though, is that all newer HTC devices use the same connector, so you are able to use the cable from any other HTC device you might have.
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The connector is compatible with mini usb. It looks different, but you can still use a normal mini usb connector, trust me, it works
I tried the same carcharger on my Touch that I used for my HTCTyTn, it works during navigation and it works good. But at the same time the battery needed a recharge to. The only thing that regonized was that the device was warmingup, but not extremly.
In the past, sometimes, but not always the TyTn get the same warmingup. But never had an real problem with that.
Is that a normal behavior
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Could one of you please advice me, whether I can use the same car charger, (not the usb to mini 11 pin USB cable) which I had for my XDA II, for my Touch HD? I am concerned about the output from the charger for XDA II as I don't know whether it is a 5.0V one, as required for Touch HD. Thank you.
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Could one of you please advice me, whether I can use the same car charger, (not the usb to mini 11 pin USB cable) which I had for my XDA II, for my Touch HD? I am concerned about the output from the charger for XDA II as I don't know whether it is a 5.0V one, as required for Touch HD. Thank you.
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As we said before that Touch HD has a USB connector, and USB is ALWAYS 5.0V!
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As we said before that Touch HD has a USB connector, and USB is ALWAYS 5.0V!
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Will that mean that I can use the XDA II's car charger for this,as that has an usb slot, to which I can plug my HD's USB sync cable? Sorry, if I sound stupid. I am a newbie. Thank you very much for your help.
Hi all,
I ordered an original HTC car charger. Because it had an mini usb which looks differently, I called HTC.
They assured me that this charger was ment for the HTC touch HD and could be used without a problem.
The car charger comes with an mini usb plug.
car charger CC C100 HTC
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Will that mean that I can use the XDA II's car charger for this,as that has an usb slot, to which I can plug my HD's USB sync cable? Sorry, if I sound stupid. I am a newbie. Thank you very much for your help.
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yes, it means you can...and you can use any (mini) usb cable you want too...easy, isn't it? I use a retractable USB cable.
david-v said:
yes, it means you can...and you can use any (mini) usb cable you want too...easy, isn't it? I use a retractable USB cable.
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Thank you very much.
cgdams said:
Unfortunately, it's NOT a standard mini usb connector. HTC has a different connector that very much looks like but isn't mini usb. You can't use a mini usb cable with HTC devices.
Here's a picture of HTC connector: http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/index.php/2006/09/10/htc_hermes_usb_connector_pin_config , as opposed to the mini usb connector (http://www.accesscomms.com.au/reference/usb.htm)
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I'm not sure how you guys use even "official" car charger for HTC HD
Look at those pictures ... this link
http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/index.php/2006/09/10/htc_hermes_usb_connector_pin_config
shows you HTC Touch HD socket ... it is straight on one end and bevelled on other end. It is extUSB
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=31649&d=1164664052
But standard USB socket (even on official car charger listed on expansys site) is bevelled on BOTH ends
http://www.expansys-usa.com/zoompic.aspx?type=item&i=174221
How you guys charge your HD with "standard" USB ? Do you just force standard USB plug into extUSB socket on HD ?
bogdatov said:
I'm not sure how you guys use even "official" car charger for HTC HD
Look at those pictures ... this link
http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/index.php/2006/09/10/htc_hermes_usb_connector_pin_config
shows you HTC Touch HD socket ... it is straight on one end and bevelled on other end. It is extUSB
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=31649&d=1164664052
But standard USB socket (even on official car charger listed on expansys site) is bevelled on BOTH ends
http://www.expansys-usa.com/zoompic.aspx?type=item&i=174221
How you guys charge your HD with "standard" USB ? Do you just force standard USB plug into extUSB socket on HD ?
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The HD plug is compatible with mini USB. Yes, on the HD it is flat on one side. Don't worry. You can use a regular mini USB charger. There is no forcing there, just look at the pictures...the connection showed there can take "more" than just mini USB, not less. A normal mini USB is bevelled at both sides. on HD it is bevelled on only one side, meaning you can fit there a "bigger" plug (read extmini USB), not a "smaller" plug
Oh, maybe I forgot to mention. I have a HD, and for the last time, you can use all your mini usb connectors on the HD (I use 4 different ones, at work, in car, at home for charging and at home for sync). They all fit, it is compatible...no forcing!!! End of thread....please....?
I made a video for those who do not believe that a miniUSB can plug into extUSB socket -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n05lUtReubU
I use a genuine htc charger which charges quicker than a generic one from the lighter socket. I believe this is because generic charger is at the standard usb 500mah where as the genuine charges at 1000mah and therefore a quicker charge. Note your power supply (the one which plugs into the wall) supplies 1000mah.
By the way, I've used various cables with my phone and although the connectors always fit no problem, that doesn't mean they actually have worked!
For example, I've tried a power supply for an older Orange SPV and was surprised when it refused to charge my TyTnII!?
I've also had other issues with usb connection to my PC where it will charge from the usb port but will not connect to Windows until I change the cable. The cable that didn't work, works perfectly well with other mini usb devices. This was actually from a Belkin 16-in-1 card reader thing... never had much faith in belkin!!
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You are wrong. With the Touch HD comes an ordinary Mini USB cable.
Charging is done by the pins for normal USB. The ExtUSB additional pins are for a headset only.
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can you take a picture of your mini USB (assuming you have HD)?
My HTC HD has the special connetor. the regular mini USB does not fit into the HD jack.
The only option I see is to get a generic lighter plug with standard usb jack and connect the proprietary cable and stick it in the plug.
But you still beed another cable (one at home and one in your car)
I had the KJAM and it has a standard mini usb - It does not fit in the HD.
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can you take a picture of your mini USB (assuming you have HD)?
My HTC HD has the special connetor. the regular mini USB does not fit into the HD jack.
The only option I see is to get a generic lighter plug with standard usb jack and connect the proprietary cable and stick it in the plug.
But you still beed another cable (one at home and one in your car)
I had the KJAM and it has a standard mini usb - It does not fit in the HD.
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I think it would be better if you show us a picture of your mini usb plug, the one that does not fit. That makes more sense than us showing a "regular" mini-usb plug that fits in the htc extusb, which is backwards compatible with mini-usb.
btw, did you watch the video from salcho? that says more than pictures I guess. Please, make a picture of your mini-usb cable and show it to us here.
David
The Rezound has a very interesting Micro-USB port that seems to have the outer shape similar to Mini-USB, but with the Micro-USB guts. The cable that comes with the phone has a rectangular plug that seems a bit longer and fits perfectly into the phone's jack. In fact, its amazing... to get the phone connected to it, you have to push the connector in until it 'clicks' into place - very solid.
My wife's DINC suffers from a slutted-out socket that now barely works anymore due to the standard Micro-USB design that seems pretty fragile. Even though a standard Micro-USB fits into the Rezound's unique socket, it doesn't have the solid feel that the OEM version has.
Does anyone know what this newer style connector is called? I would like to find a couple more cables that are longer and feel that by using this type of connector, the Rezound's port should last the life of the phone.
Thanks in advance!!!
-M
It's an MHL plug and there is more info in this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1356346
Thanks dude...
A normal microUSB cable will still get the job done. It's just put in the reverse as it is on the Incredible. The tabs need to be facing up. I got 3 OEM HTC microUSB cables off ebay for like $7 bucks shipped. And the odd shaped end is probably some proprietary HTC connector, same as they had with the HeroCDMA with the miniUSB.
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It's an MHL plug and there is more info in this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1356346
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No, it's a micro-A USB receptacle that supports MHL. There's a difference.
I would rather have the MHL cable... Feels more secure when plugged in..
Has anyone been able to find one on the internet or in store?
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yeah the security of the MHL cable is worth not using a standard micro USB. for instance when you're using a car charger w/ a standard micro USB, the cable can tug a bit on the connector(depending on length of cable, placement of phone) and cause it to come loose & stop charging... but with the micro A USB(MHL) it's nice & secure and you don't have to worry about that happening.
Anybody have a part number for the OEM cable or best case know where to order it
The really annoying thing about the cable that comes with the phone is that you can't use it with any other micro-A/B USB ports. They seem to have intentionally shipped a cable that you can only use with this device, even though the device itself will take any micro USB plug. Thanks, HTC!
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The really annoying thing about the cable that comes with the phone is that you can't use it with any other micro-A/B USB ports. They seem to have intentionally shipped a cable that you can only use with this device, even though the device itself will take any micro USB plug. Thanks, HTC!
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The incredible will charge with the shipped Rezound charger, granted it's got the same port. I've been using my Thunderbolt charger, kindle charger and now BB charger while at work. All get the job done.
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The incredible will charge with the shipped Rezound charger, granted it's got the same port. I've been using my Thunderbolt charger, kindle charger and now BB charger while at work. All get the job done.
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I did say that any other micro USB cable would work on the phone. I have a charger from every blackberry I ever owned, the Inc charger, and a couple miscellaneous cables lying around. It's just that the one that comes with the Rezound now has to go in its own special pile of cables (all by itself) because I can't use it with any other devices. Did not try with the old phone, though. Interesting that you say HTC's physical mods to the micro USB port are the same on the Inc and Rezound, yet the Rezound ships with a proprietary cable and my Inc came with a standard micro USB plug. I'll check when I get home.
it does seem at least that yes, any microUSB cable will work with the Rezound for both charging it and connecting it to your PC.
for the most part, you really only need the MHL support if you plan on going through HDMI out, which you'd then need an MHL/HDMI adapter cable anyway.
the only benefit to the cable that comes with the Rezound is the "snug fit" bit. whereas, it'd be nice if they had a car charger with the exact same micro A USB end to it as i find that all standard micro USB car chargers aren't as snug and depending on phone placement/movement, the connection can get a bit 'loose' and sometime stop charging.
i used to use this motorola car charger but because of how the cable pulled, the connection would constantly come loose unless i used tape to hold it in place.
It's not an MHL port. It's HTC's proprietary ExtMicro-USB port first seen with the HTC Flyer. An MHL port is a standard 5pin Micro-USB A/B port that detects when an MHL adapter is used, and uses those same 5 pins to support HDMI output. If you look at MHL ports on phones like the Evo 4G and Galaxy S II, they are indistinguishable physically from standard Micro-USB B ports. HTC's ExtMicro-USB is compatible with 5pin Micro-USB cables and 5pin MHL adapters. In fact, if you look at the HTC MHL adapter, it's shaped like a standard Micro-USB plug and only has 5 pins. What's different about ExtMicro-USB is that it has some extra pins compared to standard Micro-USB and MHL. I believe it has 6 extra pins, for a total of 11 pins. Those 6 extra pins are not used for MHL, for the reasons stated above. I'm not certain what those pins are used for, but if it's the same as the older ExtUSB (which is compatible with Mini-USB), then those extra pins are used for analog audio output, for use with stereo headsets, etc.
Why would they send you a cable for anything other then the phone #dumb.
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Why would they send you a cable for anything other then the phone #dumb.
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The cable IS for the phone. You can use it to charge and sync. But the PORT can also be used to hookup an MHL adapter for HDMI output. That is IN ADDITION to charging or syncing via USB. The cable that comes with the phone just has a different connector yet is backwards compatable with any regular micro-USB cable.
I'm not sure why this is so confusing to people.
That being said...
Has anyone found a part number or where to buy cables with the non-standard connector?
I have plenty of micro-usb cables, and yes, they do work fine, but I am not confortable with how loose they are. WAY too much play. This especially worries me in the car.
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That being said...
Has anyone found a part number or where to buy cables with the non-standard connector?
I have plenty of micro-usb cables, and yes, they do work fine, but I am not confortable with how loose they are. WAY too much play. This especially worries me in the car.
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Yea I have been trying to find this too. I was sent the Rezound as a CLNR for my Charge so I didn't even get the original USB cable that comes with the phone when you buy it. Sure the micro-usb cables work, but they feel pretty loose compared to other phones that are designed for micro-usb specifically.
ok guys this is NOT an MHL cable. as said before there is nothing special at all about it besides that it is a snugger fit. any micro usb will work with MHL and you still need the converter.
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Anybody have a part number for the OEM cable or best case know where to order it
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It took some digging but here it is http://www.wirelessground.com/htcm400.html
dabomb697 said:
It took some digging but here it is http://www.wirelessground.com/htcm400.html
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thanks. I will have to check this one it out but HTC is kind of jerking our chain with the part number. Turns out they used to same part number on all their later model cables. I ordered 3 different HTC OEM cables and they do work for charging and data but none of them had the snug snap-in feel as the one that came with the phone.
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thanks. I will have to check this one it out but HTC is kind of jerking our chain with the part number. Turns out they used to same part number on all their later model cables. I ordered 3 different HTC OEM cables and they do work for charging and data but none of them had the snug snap-in feel as the one that came with the phone.
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I know what you mean. I put the part number in and the one that came with the Inc kept coming up. This one looks like it has the same shape as the one that comes with the Rezound.
it seems that some people on the forum say they have a standard micro USB connector on the Flyer??? and most of the ebay sellers list standard micro usb products for the HTC Flyer
MY connection is a proprietary one - it looks like a micro usb but has a 'step' in it
like this one...zoom in on the picture
http://www.expansys.com.au/htc-flyer-data-cable-dc-t500-extmicro-usb-12pin-white-209995/
wtf is going on?
Try it, you will like it, except for charging.............
try what? what will i like? what about the charging?
off the shelf micro usb works fine.
The proprietary style is only for charging
If u have a micro usb cable then u have to put it in the opposite way. Like this
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It's a generic micro USB connection. The extra's is just that, extra. And not mandatory. I read somewhere (could be here, could be somewhere else) that they made the different connector so you wouldn't use the charger on a device that can't handle the power. But you can use any micro USB cable to connect the device to your PC. And you can even use any micro USB charger, but you'll need a lot of patience as it'll take a long, long time!
While you can use a standard micro USB cable, I have heard it would be better to use the HTC one because it will stay in better. I have used a standard one just fine, but the HTC one does hold in better IMO.
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If u have a micro usb cable then u have to put it in the opposite way. Like this
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Its both proprietary AND standard. As vj092887 said, you insert the micro-USB male plug "upside-down" from how you would on most HTC devices. And it plugs into the "bottom half" of the jack. All this is in respect to the tablet laying flat, with the screen facing up.
If you use the included charger or sync cable, it takes up the "whole" jack. Sync doesn't really make a difference. But the included charger is much faster than standard HTC Micro-USB chargers.
jeebus on a swizzle stick, only after reading this did i actually shove a standard micro usb into it and i'll be damned.....
thanks guys
n7of9 said:
jeebus on a swizzle stick, only after reading this did i actually shove a standard micro usb into it and i'll be damned.....
thanks guys
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Shortly after I got my Flyer, I was at work and wanted to connect it to my laptop. And realized I had left my (HTC) cable at home, sticking in my PC there. I was also kind of disappointed as I had bought the flyer specifically because you could use a micro USB cable!
So, I thought, well, why not try it and see if it fits. And as I generally always first try to stick a cable in upside down (don't ask me why, even if I think about it, I'll try it upside down first ), I got lucky this time and found it fitted
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Shortly after I got my Flyer, I was at work and wanted to connect it to my laptop. And realized I had left my (HTC) cable at home, sticking in my PC there. I was also kind of disappointed as I had bought the flyer specifically because you could use a micro USB cable!
So, I thought, well, why not try it and see if it fits. And as I generally always first try to stick a cable in upside down (don't ask me why, even if I think about it, I'll try it upside down first ), I got lucky this time and found it fitted
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USB cables tend to go in the right way on the third try!
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And as I generally always first try to stick a cable in upside down (don't ask me why, even if I think about it, I'll try it upside down first ),
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i NEVER put in cables upside down (because i always put a little dot on the top side of the connector using nail polish...you can use liquid paper for a more 'manly' experience)
Is there a source for an innexpensive extra cable? I've been using a standard micro USB and it works but feels very loose compared to the official HTC cable that came with my flyer.
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If you mean with a HTC style power connector, no, that's for charging only. For data cables Ebay or Amazon has them for about $1 each.
DigitalMD said:
If you mean with a HTC style power connector, no, that's for charging only. For data cables Ebay or Amazon has them for about $1 each.
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I wouldnt buy those generic cables from ebay/amazon etc they are poorly made and can either break off in your device, break off the connector on the device, or short out.. I highly recommend getting either Motorola or HTC OEM cables. They cost $2 - $5 but its worth it.
http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-SKN5...1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1323629211&sr=1-1
Does this mean that the MHL adapter with 5 pins will work (standard Micro USB), and I don't need the 12 pin MHL version (extMicro USB)?
galfert said:
Does this mean that the MHL adapter with 5 pins will work (standard Micro USB), and I don't need the 12 pin MHL version (extMicro USB)?
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yes! but apparently it charges really slowly so microUSB is best left to data transfer only
str8upx said:
I wouldnt buy those generic cables from ebay/amazon etc they are poorly made and can either break off in your device, break off the connector on the device, or short out.. I highly recommend getting either Motorola or HTC OEM cables. They cost $2 - $5 but its worth it.
http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-SKN5...1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1323629211&sr=1-1
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Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. Although a standard micro USB connector works for me when transferring data I don't like how loose it seems in the Flyer's socket. So I want another cable just like the one that came with my Flyer, a micro ExtUSB cable. I've only found mini ExtUSB cables not micro ones, hence my request for an inexpensive cable source.
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bsoplinger said:
Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. Although a standard micro USB connector works for me when transferring data I don't like how loose it seems in the Flyer's socket. So I want another cable just like the one that came with my Flyer, a micro ExtUSB cable. I've only found mini ExtUSB cables not micro ones, hence my request for an inexpensive cable source.
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there are no inexpensive extUSB cables...i don't know where you are but try expansys or amazon in your country...they're all upwards of $20
There is no 3rd party source for the non-standard HTC proprietary connector.
HTC manufactured Windows Mobile and Android-based devices have a proprietary connector called HTC Micro ExtUSB (Extended USB). ExtUSB combines Micro-USB (with which it is backwards-compatible) with audio input as well as audio and video output in an 11-pin connector. The extra pins also allow for higher charging currents.
If you really want to spend on a high quality cable, here you go, the best, most expensive per foot USB micro cable in the world . For ~$25 this should keep your Flyer and small pets from bursting into flame............
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4256657&CatId=77
By the way, all the generic or other brand MHL adapters work fine with the HTC for connection to HDMI.
Some kernels for the Evo 3D on XDA now have On-The-Go (OTG) USB host support built-in so it's very easy to support USB peripherals such as keyboards, mice, flash drives and portable hard drives from your phone regardless of the ROM installed. If you would like more information about OTG, here's a very good thread in the XDA Sensation forum that covers it pretty well.
The commands to mount and unmount USB storage devices manually are covered in that thread, but I've found the easiest way to mount and dismount my flash drive is to use an app called [root]StickMount from Chainfire, the developer of SuperSU. Depending on the ROM installed, it may not be considered compatible and won't show in the Play Store, so I've attached the .apk in case that happens.
I haven't used devices other than flash drives so far on my phone, but other users have indicated that keyboards, mice and other USB devices also work. If you are using OTG to attach any type of USB devices, please share your experiences and any tips you might have. Also, please use this thread for any questions you might have about OTG support and devices, even if you haven't gotten around to trying it yourself yet.
Other XDA threads about OTG related stuff:
Solar powered USB hub (kinda cool)
usb otg cradle
Nitty gritty OTG hardware discussion
Post with diagram of OTG connections
Thanks to mpgrimm2 for suggesting that we share this information from another site (there's actually more over there ).
ramjet73
I want to thank Markmx6 for his guide on another site that was easy for me to follow to make my own OTG cable and Ramjet73 for digging up and posting his links here. Maybe Markmx6 will add his info over here now too since all this works with the Buttered Toast Kernel (bigwillyg).
I got to looking around and wondering with the parts I have if I am setup for OTG and just need to plug everything together without hacking up a power supply which I'd prefer not to do.
Here's what I have on hand:
I ohmed out the " CrazyOnDigital 2 port charger's" data pins:
Port1-pin3 & port2-pin3 = 0.1 ohms (and about 30k to gnd/shld)
Port1-pin2 & port2-pin2 = 0.1 ohms (and about 30k to gnd/shld)
(I also reversed the leads in case I was reading through a diode)
So it looks like the data pins on this aren't shorted together and that it will function as a Powered USB "y" cable/pass through between ports 1 & 2.
Part 2
I realize that my purchased USB OTG cable won't plug in between the charger & my phone so I may use a USB extension Cable and USB A to A adapter that I have (not pictured) or I may just hack a spare USB A to Micro USB (5pin) cable that I have into another OTG Cable.
Q: My understanding is that an OTG cable has the ID pin (pin 4 of the 5pin Micro) tied to Gnd, like Markmx6 did in his original cable; correct? So, that's why the micro USB end gets cut open a bit.
A: Yes.
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My Additional References:
Zoom [DIY] MicroUSB Host Cable
So in a normal micro/mini USB cable, there are 4 wires, 5 pins.
1. Red - V+
2. White - Data -
3. Green - Data +
4. Empty
5. Black - Ground
That micro male to mini female cable above has the 4th (5th?) wire, brown. This is the ID wire. Shorted to ground, it makes the cable a host cable.
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Wikipedia's: USB On-The-Go page
The OTG cable has a micro-A plug on one side, and a micro-B plug on the other (it cannot have two plugs of the same type). OTG adds a fifth pin to the standard USB connector, called the ID-pin; the micro-A plug has the ID pin grounded, while the ID in the micro-B plug is floating. The device that has a micro-A plugged in becomes an OTG A-device, and the one that has micro-B plugged becomes a B-device. The type of the plug inserted is detected by the state of the pin ID .
Three additional ID pin states are defined[4] at the nominal resistance values of 124 kΩ, 68 kΩ, and 36.5 kΩ, with respect to the ground pin. These permit the device to work with a USB Accessory Charger Adapter which allows the OTG device to be attached to both a charger and another device simultaneously.[6]
These three states are used in the cases of:
- A charger and either no device or an A-device that is not asserting VBUS (not providing power) are attached. The OTG device is allowed to charge and initiate SRP but not connect.[6]
- A charger and an A-device that is asserting VBUS (is providing power) are attached. The OTG device is allowed to charge and connect but not initiate SRP.[6]
- A charger and a B-device are attached. The OTG device is allowed to charge and enter host mode.[6]
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Micro-USB connector pinout
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Part3: SUCCESS! (with Otg Enabled kernel)
I went ahead and modified a spare USB A to Micro B cable for OTG without power. Plugged everything up with my Logitech Wireless USB mouse and it works! Cool as can be! See new pics. (Yellow wire is the Jumper).
Still have a few questions:
Q: Would the "purchased" OTG Cable already have pin 4 & 5 Shorted?
A: YES it should, but one of the cables I bought was defective.
Q: Does your OTG setup from the op charge the phone at the same time (and/or keep it charged)?
A: Yes
Edit: Apparently I broke the +5v wire during reassembling the cable. See next post.
(SEE UPDATED POSTS FARTHER DOWN)
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In Relation to my Following Posts, I have patched together the following cable schematics as a reference to the cables I have either made or purchased.
If you have the ability & willingness to find out what the ID pin resistance is in your "Accessory" device as mentioned below please let me know. I am trying to correlate the info from the Wikipedia/USB OTG reference to all the available ID pin states.
Mpgrimm2; I have a small update from some of my testing regarding the USB OTG 4 ID pin states (pin 4 to pin 5 "gnd" ).
Ininity (Open) = Standard USB data/charge
0 Ω (shorted) = USB OTG host
36.5K Ω = desktop cradle/dock
(my seidio actually has a 47k Ω resistor said:
Anyone want to open their car dock and check the resistor?
Anyone want to open their MHL adapter & check the resistor on that too?[/COLOR]
Wikipedia's: USB On-The-Go page
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Here's what I've found out or verified:
- I'm still not sure about the 3 different USB OTG ID modes that were mentioned. In the test rig (pictured) for different values of resistance between pin 4 (ID) and pin 5 (gnd):
0 ohm (Short) = USB OTG host
36.5k ohm (47k in use) = Dock Mode
68K ohm (74k in use) = Dock Mode
124k Ohm (127k in use) = No discernible effect
I also determined that my first homemade USB OTG cable wouldn't allow the phone to charge because of a broken +5v wire during reassembly (new one works correctly, but so far I preferred the simplicity of the original setup & charger over the new cable I made, but time will tell.
Here's the Ebay link to the OTG cable RamJet73 recommended (same as the last one I made b/c I didn't want to wait) so that I can keep it linked in one place.
Here are the pictures of the 2nd cable that I made that is "very similar" to the one Ramjet73 mentioned at eBay but 2ft longer (See Schematic #4 in later post).
Keep in mind that the OTG function will be disabled if an OTG cable is plugged into a USB charger that has the data pins shorted internally (AC charging), but this doesn't appear to happen with a powered hub (isolated)
Markmx6's "Homemade Powered OTG Cable" Part 1
I got permission from Markmx6 to repost this here:
Markmx6; said:
First off, I am not responsible for you screwing up your phone, shorting your house out, frying your SD card, burning down your home, or anything else that may or may not occur from you building this...
Tools you will need: Razor blade, Soldering iron, Solder, Super glue.
Optional tools: Dremel with cut-off wheel.
I started with components I imagine you will all have, since they came with the phone. The HTC charging cable and outlet adapter.
First, cut around the base of the outlet adapter. This is around 3/16" thick, and the cut is better off to be made on the "shiny" plastic than the "dull" portion. I used a Dremel, but any type of blade will do, it just may take more time.
Make a cut along the white line on the board (Shown in red here) Otherwise this will not work. On typical chargers they short out the Data+ and the Data- connections (mpg2 edit: it forces "AC Charging" mode). Not sure why... Digging a razor blade across this several times should do the trick, but if you want to make sure with a continuity tester that will always give piece of mind.
Now you need to cut your cable, I recommend leaving around 2" or more from the standard usb side. (A little of this wire will come in handy for later in this project)
Cut and then strip your wires, there will be a braided shielding wire just under the insulation. Then it will be helpful to "Tin" the ends of your wires.
The shielding can be completely removed, or you can ground it out, but I haven't found this to be needed.
You will now need to solder the wires to the circuit board. This will obviously need to be in the correct order.
From the top will be:
RED = 5V+
WHITE = Data +
GREEN = Data -
BLACK = 5V-
Now you can re-assemble the Outlet adapter if you choose.
Now you need to cut up the other (phone) end of your cable to enable the OTG function.
Post 2 will outline this.
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Markmx6's "Homemade Powered OTG Cable" Part 2
Markmx6; said:
Carefully cut down the sides of the connector, if you can do this in one clean cut it will be helpful when you re-attach then after your modifications.
Carefully cut away the plastic, and what looks like hot glue. You need to expose the side that has a blank terminal. and the one on the other side that has a black wire.
Pins 4 and 5 need to be attached, so a small piece of wire (from the leftover ends of the cable comes in handy) works really well.
It doesn't really show up in the pictures though
Now re-glue the pieces from the end of the cable back onto the connector
That is all.
I am using 3.2.8otg for a kernel and negalite2.9 and otg helper and everything works as it should.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1588979
For usb storage you need to have all of the cables hooked up before you insert the SD card.
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NOTE: Bigwillig's [Kernel] ButteredToasT ICS RLS 04 | Linux 3.0.46 | linaro 4.7 -o3 | otg | HTC beats also supports OTG with any rom that will boot the kernel.
Sent from my "Up all night, Sleep all day" EVO3D!
Ebay/Applecable Purchased OTG Cable & USB Hub
I just verified that if you get the Micro USB Host OTG Cable With USB power ($6 from AppleCable on Ebay) that Ramjet73 mentioned (or this one), it will work with any standard USB charger (ie the 1 Amp HTC or 2 Amp HP Touchpad Charger) because the USB Power Connector is Isolated. I also picked up Applecable's USB 2.0 3 Port Hub with data Sync Charger cable for $7
(I may try to modify it to be a USB OTG powered hub with this OTG Adapter and this USB to 3.5mm/1.3mm Adapter to power the hub directly from "ANY" USB charger.
EDIT: It works fine, but modified it anyway).
Here's some updated AppleCable Ebay Store links (4-18-14):
Micro USB Host OTG Cable With USB power
USB 2.0 3 Port Hub with data Sync Charger cable (not OTG, but a cheap hub that works. can be modified for OTG)
Micro USB Host OTG Cable w/micro USB power
Left Angled Micro USB Host OTG Cable w/USB power
Right Angled Micro USB Host OTG Cable w/USB power
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been looking for something like this!! post back on your progress
mpgrimm2 said:
I just verified that if you get the Micro USB Host OTG Cable With USB power ($6 from AppleCable on Ebay) that Ramjet73 mentioned (or this one), it will work with any standard USB charger (ie the 1 Amp HTC or 2 Amp HP Touchpad Charger) because the USB Power Connector is Isolated. I also picked up Applecable's USB 2.0 3 Port Hub with data Sync Charger cable for $7 (I may try to modify it to be a USB OTG powered hub with this).
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I just found out that the version of the OTG cable with the female microUSB connector doesn't charge the phone when power is applied to that connector. The eBay listing at your link above doesn't say one way or the other, but this link was posted on another site and that listing specifically says it doesn't. I'm not sure why that is, but it looks like the same brand (Chen Yang) in both listings.
The version with the male USB A connector for power can definitely charge the phone when in use. I've tested that myself.
ramjet73
Now that I've made a few on my own and bought the one you recommended, I can say it likely has to do with the way that it's wired up. I would bet that the Applecable one with the M & F microUSB allows charging.
Note: I also updated my previous post with a new USB to 3.5mm adapter for the hub. I ordered both adapters (so I don't have to cut/solder mods to the hub) and will report back once I get it. (also picked up a 2nd 3d for my son's b-day coming up so I don't waste an upgrade just yet).
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I just don't get it... Found many usb hubs with internal rechargeable batteries, but all are old posts, not available for sell anymore . Why is it so complicated for Evo 3D to connect usb to it? I really want to connect my Razer Banshees to it, but all this running around to find a usb hub with internal battery is killing me, and having one that works on charger is ilogical, from my point of view. If i want to do this, I want it to be portable, otherwise I'd just connect it to my pc/laptop. I connected them to a Galaxy S3 and they worked instantly. I use Coolexe's ROM and Kernel (v4.0), and it says that it has usb support and usb headset support
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I just don't get it... Found many usb hubs with internal rechargeable batteries, but all are old posts, not available for sell anymore . Why is it so complicated for Evo 3D to connect usb to it? I really want to connect my Razer Banshees to it, but all this running around to find a usb hub with internal battery is killing me, and having one that works on charger is ilogical, from my point of view. If i want to do this, I want it to be portable, otherwise I'd just connect it to my pc/laptop. I connected them to a Galaxy S3 and they worked instantly. I use Coolexe's ROM and Kernel (v4.0), and it says that it has usb support and usb headset support
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Unlike Samsung, HTC hasn't officially supported OTG so we are lucky to have some ROM's and kernels that do support it. Even the utilities like stickmount don't download from the Play Store because the Evo 3D is not considered a compatible device.
USB mice and keyboards can work without external power, but many other devices need power and would drain the phone battery very quickly even if they could use it. I have no experience with USB headphones on a phone, but it would make more sense to me to have batteries in the headphones and not depend on the phone for power. Another possibilty may be to use an external battery like this one connected to an OTG adapter that includes a connector for external power, but I haven't test that.
I use rechargeable stereo bluetooth headphones so I don't have to mess with cables at all, but if you prefer the USB headphones the options may be more limited with the Evo 3D than the SGS3.
ramjet73
Between the items Ramjet73 and I have mentioned in previous posts (edited below), you should be able to piece together the functionality you are looking for, but still not ideal as far as portability. Markmx6 has mentioned making his own "D" battery powered usb hub (I think) that he may post here sometime. Hope this helps.
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I also picked up
this USB 2.0 3 Port Hub with data Sync Charger cable for $7
this OTG Adapter
this USB to 3.5mm/1.3mm Adapter to power the hub directly from a USB port/charger).
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ramjet73 said:
Another possibilty may be to use an external battery
like Rechargeable USB Universal Battery connected to an OTG adapter that includes a connector for external power, but I haven't tested that.
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Good find Ramjet73! Got me thinking about options again, just waiting on my parts to get here. Mind if I paste this into the other sites thread?
Saw this app posted in the Buttered Toast thread and may give it a try for NTFS support:
mnomaanw said:
You can mount NTFS drives with this App ----> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.paragon.mounter&hl=en
I think it can mount exFAT also.
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posedatull said:
I just don't get it... Found many usb hubs with internal rechargeable batteries, but all are old posts, not available for sell anymore . Why is it so complicated for Evo 3D to connect usb to it? I really want to connect my Razer Banshees to it, but all this running around to find a usb hub with internal battery is killing me, and having one that works on charger is ilogical, from my point of view. If i want to do this, I want it to be portable, otherwise I'd just connect it to my pc/laptop. I connected them to a Galaxy S3 and they worked instantly. I use Coolexe's ROM and Kernel (v4.0), and it says that it has usb support and usb headset support
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I built a 4 port charger using four "D" batteries for a trip I took to Disney world (five kids on a six hour flight.... required someway to recharge Nooks, cell phones, and etc)
To break it down simply I used a four battery holder. (Apparently I don't have enough posts to post links, pull up radioshacks website and search for "D" battery holder)
You don't need "D" batteries as these are bulky, I used them because size wasn't really a factor. "AA" or "AAA" batteries should be fine. Remember Alkaline batteries provide 1.5 volts each NiCad (Older rechargeable) 1.2 volts There are newer voltages to my knowledge...
I used four batteries because it produces 6 volts in series. MAY POSSIBLY DAMAGE YOUR PHONE
Ideally you would provide 5 volts which is what USB provides, I find 6 volts worked fine for me.
For my charger I shorted the DATA +/- terminals together to fool the phone into believing it was using AC power for a faster charge.
All you really need to do to continue to use the hub as a Data transfer device would be to solder the red and black wires to their respective terminals on the hub, it shouldn't matter which port you use as they should all be linked, other hubs may vary.
You may also be able to just wire a female USB port onto the battery holder and use a hub plugged into that...
My CrazyOnDigital 2 port charger doesn't have the data pins shorted (D+ and D-) like the stock HTC unit. This causes any "Android" phone to charge at the lower 500ma Max "Charging USB" rate vs "AC Charging" (explains my slow charging when travelling), but a bonus is that it allows me to pass data b/w the 2 ports like a simple hub.
- If the D+ and D- pins are shorted when an OTG USB cable is plugged in, the phone will go into "AC Charging" mode, but not allow OTG devices to work, but if the phone is still connected and the data pins opened back up, you retain "AC Charging" mode and have USB OTG functions.
(I'm thinking that a simple on/off switch installed across the data pins of my charger will give me a dual mode charger).
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AC CHARGING / USB CHARGING (Data Pass Through) MOD 12-1-12
- I got tired of having a 2 port 2 Amp charger that only allowed 500ma "USB Charging" with Android & OTG. See pix:
mpgrimm2 said:
I just verified that if you get the Micro USB Host OTG Cable With USB power ($6 from AppleCable on Ebay) that Ramjet73 mentioned (or this one), it will work with any standard USB charger (ie the 1 Amp HTC or 2 Amp HP Touchpad Charger) because the USB Power Connector is Isolated. I also picked up Applecable's USB 2.0 3 Port Hub with data Sync Charger cable for $7
(I may try to modify it to be a USB OTG powered hub with this OTG Adapter and this USB to 3.5mm/1.3mm Adapter to power the hub directly from "ANY" USB charger).
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And here is my new OTG setup with the modified charger (no need to modify the charger with this) and modified hub:
Also works well with [MOD] Self Powered USB OTG on the HP Touchpad! (v2 Full Size) 11-30-12
Just out of curiousity, will a sixaxis controller be supported by otg? Could anybody confirm this for me.
Jsparta26 said:
Just out of curiousity, will a sixaxis controller be supported by otg? Could anybody confirm this for me.
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I saw someone taking about it in the HP Touchpad CM9 thread, I will see if I can find the post & report back.
update: post was here
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Separately, I saw this (couldn't find the u12000 solar hub mentioned previously)
Opteka BP-SC4000 Ultra Thin Solar Powered High Capacity (4000mAh) Backup Battery and Charger
I know some have mentioned an interest in an all in one OTG enabled solar powered charger with battery backup. Sounds easy enough with the correct parts.
Sent from my "Up all night, sleep all day" HP CM9 Touchpad