Hi all,
Have any of you bought the 2011 Mini or are thinking about it? The price has really dropped where I'm living, I can get it on Pay as you go for 130Euro.
I know for those of us who bought the 2010 Mini got screwed over with updates etc. The bottom line is I have the phone about a year and a half and I'd like to get a new one soon. I don't want or need a giant phone that's very expensive.
The 2011 Mini (I haven't heard of any Minis for 2012) has a 1Ghz CPU and 512 ROM and I think 512 RAM, that's great for a 3 inch screen. That's a lot of power for a small-ish screen. It's also future-proof, isn't it? Those specs will last some time. Would I be right in saying it's bigger 3 inch screen is MDPI, instead of our current LDPI? There would be much, much more compatibility for wallpapers and lockscreens etc.
I like the other stuff like better camera features and specs (HD)
Bad points are no front camera and even a bigger 3 inch screen is not great for internet or wifi, but it might be ok. I also think (I could be wrong, tell me if so) that support on here is not so great for it so modding would be harder.
Any thoughts?
phoneyericsson said:
Hi all,
Have any of you bought the 2011 Mini or are thinking about it? The price has really dropped where I'm living, I can get it on Pay as you go for 130Euro.
.....
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
my advice wait for 2012 mini's
there iz some rumor going on in gsmarena about some sony dualcore phones which look like a mini ver of xperia s;
I looked for info on that and couldn't find anything. I did find that list of SE's 2012 roadmap I can't see a phone before August that could match a price I'd expect for that.
phoneyericsson said:
I looked for info on that and couldn't find anything. I did find that list of SE's 2012 roadmap I can't see a phone before August that could match a price I'd expect for that.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think better u wait for the sony 2012 phones out..maybe got new model will replaced xperia mini..or u can get xperia mini at cheaper price
Hi buddy, check out the list of Sony phones for 2012.
I cannot read anything about a new Mini...and I thought I read someone from Sony saying the trend of small phones is nearly over...
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/01/18/sonys-2012-smartphone-roadmap-leaks-out/
I had x10 Mini and now Xperia Mini. The Mini is fast enough and will receive Android 4.
2011 over 2010 has bigger display, better screen resolution ,processor ,RAM, internal storage, latest android, wireless N, Wi-fi tethering, HD camera (not great quality), better battery capacity. It has everything except front camera and hdmi output and is fast.
The biggest worst thing compared to older X10 mini is the speaker witch is not so great sound quality, and auto brightness/light sensor sometimes it makes screen brightness go like disco lights. (I disabled light sensor on rooted phone)
The mini series should remain at maximum 3.2'" screen. The rumored Mini 2 (3) was St25 but that 2012 model has 3.5 display and is way ugly and bigger for my tastes.(smaller xperia S )
Now that's a pretty useful reply!
Thank you!
Yes, I have inspected the specs and reviews...I always do that before a new phone purchase and I'm very interested in the specs of that new edition. I cannot find anything on the 2012 Mini...I don't know what you guys google search but I only find the older Minis...
My bro got the X8 and I didn't realise it was 'only' 3 inches in screen, which is the same as the 2011 Mini. It's actually pretty good...you really benefit from that extra space, but SE makes it small and light enough and still pretty. The phone networks over here subsidised the Mini a lot...it's €129 Euro now...how can I say no?
All the specs you mentioned interest me, I'm sure I'd appreciate them. What I most like is the definite upgrade to 4.0. I've tried the beta version of the two 4.0 roms here and the audio is SUPERB in 4.0 and the devs say the graphic performance for games is way better than Ginger. Whether by official upgrade or modded roms for you Mini...wait for the superb sound! Also, the 2011 Mini is relatively 'future proof' in my view...those specs will last a while...especially for a budget phone, a screen that small with good power behind it and ICS has slightly less requirements than Ginger but with better performance (like Vista and Windows 7)
i want to add that the new mini pro has front camera, mini hasnt. check it
Sent from my E10i using xda premium
Aaaah I didn't know that...hmm.
I have to admit I never liked/needed the fold out keypad on the PRO though. I think I'll compare the spec sheet of both models just to see is there anything else...
Im waiting for the new Sony phones that are gonna be released this year. whats the point of buying the (going to be) obsolete models (SE) and suffer after buying?
It's better to wait for the new ones to arrive with the Sony badge on them.
Im gonna get 'em!
Well the 2011 models have excellent specs - they will not go out of date tomorrow, like the 2010 models. At this time, the 2011 models also have their maximum (or near) subsidy - the networks are paying most of the price, we simply pay a smaller portion.
When the new 2012 models come out, you will pay a much higher price because they're new. I would be shocked if they upgraded the specs of these 'budget phones' to 1.5ghz...if they do upgrade the specs, you will be paying for them...they can't be that high and you pay a cheap price. The Mini is €129 where I am...you will not get the next phone for anywhere near that for months...
It also depends on your money supply, if someone has unlimited money, then cost won't matter...
phoneyericsson said:
Well the 2011 models have excellent specs - they will not go out of date tomorrow, like the 2010 models. At this time, the 2011 models also have their maximum (or near) subsidy - the networks are paying most of the price, we simply pay a smaller portion.
When the new 2012 models come out, you will pay a much higher price because they're new. I would be shocked if they upgraded the specs of these 'budget phones' to 1.5ghz...if they do upgrade the specs, you will be paying for them...they can't be that high and you pay a cheap price. The Mini is €129 where I am...you will not get the next phone for anywhere near that for months...
It also depends on your money supply, if someone has unlimited money, then cost won't matter...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Surprisingly i will be getting the new mini pro.
^^^ The 2011 Mini Pro? The price is good where you're living?
Yeah, my 2012 Mini was €250 when I bought it. The 2011 Mini (with way better specs as you know) is €129...how can I say no...
the x10 mini cost me 999 $ pesos (argentinian money) and the new mini Pro is 799 $ pesos, amazing pize but no stock at all :?
Sent from my E10i using xda premium
You mean they have none in stock in the shops?
phoneyericsson said:
You mean they have none in stock in the shops?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I don't see SE devices anywhere in my country anymore.
phoneyericsson said:
It also depends on your money supply, if someone has unlimited money, then cost won't matter...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah, you are right. but im not looking for the high end or something.... but look at it this way, the most battery drainers are the small devices by SE. that is the reason i am now fed up of my mimmi phone too. after a long conversation over gsm network it goes down rapidly. i sometimes wonder if i could go back to my trusty W705 phone by SE. it was very good to use.
Since i am like addicted to android, im thinking of the newer ones that are gonna come. that is the reason i mentioned i have to go for the Sony phones. will be later in the end of this year i might get one i suppose.
Thanks!
I should update and say I finally bought the new Mini yesterday!
It has been dropped in price again...I paid €99 for it! Wow! I paid €250 for the 2010 Mini...The ARC is on sale now for €250 PREPAY....I couldn't believe my eyes...
I'm pleased to say that I love the phone. I was afraid that the differences might be so small that I think it was wasted money. For such a cheap price, nope and wow things like the screen are amazing. When I look at my old Mini there is really a huge difference...I can almost see the blocky pixels bouncing off the screen on the older one...kind of ugly now! The UI is quite slick and SE phones like Apple devices 'just work' in my opinion, everything is properly connected and works.
P.s. if any of you are big into music/video/podcasts on your Xperia, try Media Go or Songbird. I've tried both before and they're both excellent.
I really think, now, buying a device with one core processor, less than 1.2-1.4GHz is not a good idea. The new mini's specs are still average [they were impressive when they were launched] and in comparison they will only deplete with quadcores just around the corner.
The best thing to do now, for all of us, would be to wait for about a mounth till Sony finally reveals the 3rd gen minis, or still wait and buy an affordable dual core.
Prices will eventually come down, and hey, with nAa's kernel and MCM7 and Paul's ICS betas, the wait can be tolerated and it will be worth it.
I think Sony Ericsson Live with Walkman is the best choice between the Mini, Mini Pro and Ray. It offers a great audio quality and has secondary camera.
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_live_with_walkman-4111.php
infact I'm thinking of buying one myself !
Sony's 2012 line up doesn't seem to offer a 150 eur priced mobile with a cpu like the Sony Ericsson 2011 phones
Related
Well, what the hell is going on? Why do these two phones depreciate SO quickly?
X10 was supposed to be one of the best super phones. Although the reality didn't quite turn out that way, the hardware is still very good. But less than £200 for an unused second hand one? That seems... really strange. It is (on paper) a far superior phone than Hero, yet the market says otherwise...
As for the X10 Mini, it is a very unique phone, which I am interested in acquiring one for the girlfriend as I think it is perfect for those light-smartphone-usage ladies, especially with the pink cover But it is less than £200 brand new! Have I missed something?
Either we (or just me) have been brainwashed by HTC/Apple/etc into thinking that smartphones cost a lot of money, or the market really doesn't like the SE X10 series phones.
Not that I am complaining about the price of course, seeing as I want to but yet to buy one. It is just really weird to see them depreciate even faster than Samsung phones.
http://top10.com/mobilephones/
X10 is still the 2nd best selling phone in the Uk right now, recently toppled by the iphone 4.
You should be happy it cost less now.
-------------------------------------
Sent via the XDA Tapatalk App
It wouldn't surprise me at all if we start seeing higher second-hand prices now that it's been rooted. All of a sudden we have a powerful device on our hands.
Yea it's true, especially if 2.1 update is really on the card.
Even I myself am waiting for root and custom roms, before buying an X10 Mini.
I am quite happy with the prices right now, but would be even happier if the prices were lower
wywywywy said:
I am quite happy with the prices right now, but would be even happier if the prices were lower
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Captain Obvious strikes.
wywywywy said:
Well, what the hell is going on? Why do these two phones depreciate SO quickly?
X10 was supposed to be one of the best super phones. Although the reality didn't quite turn out that way, the hardware is still very good. But less than £200 for an unused second hand one? That seems... really strange. It is (on paper) a far superior phone than Hero, yet the market says otherwise...
As for the X10 Mini, it is a very unique phone, which I am interested in acquiring one for the girlfriend as I think it is perfect for those light-smartphone-usage ladies, especially with the pink cover But it is less than £200 brand new! Have I missed something?
Either we (or just me) have been brainwashed by HTC/Apple/etc into thinking that smartphones cost a lot of money, or the market really doesn't like the SE X10 series phones.
Not that I am complaining about the price of course, seeing as I want to but yet to buy one. It is just really weird to see them depreciate even faster than Samsung phones.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I know what you mean, I was shocked to find that I have just been on ebay and managed to buy a brand new Orange branded Mini X10 for £160 delivered next day! Either my gf is going to love my initiative taking or lambast me for costing her money - Im 85% sure its going to be the first thankfully! I got fed up of her umming and ahhing the last couple of weeks over it!
In Slovakia I buy My xPeria X10 Mini for 1€ in 1,5 year contract with Orange.Full price is X10 Mini 259€
...that the Xperia X10 is officialy the flagship smartphone of sony ericsson.
How many of you are planning to keep it, at least until the end of this year?
Also, is it just me, or do I like the looks of the X10 better. Although it's a bit 'fat', I like the layout of the buttons and how it's less curved than the Arc. I also do like them a bit chubby
Anyway, long live the X10! Hopefully there will be some devs who stick with this phone and keep it getting better, but it's now the end of quite a crazy era for probably the most controversial android smartphone ever made.
going to stick with it for a while but doubt to have it till the end of the year
I will have to keep it till the end of the year Im 15 and bought a stupid phone... I readed many reviews that said this phone is great and WOULD GET MULTi tOUcH. It's Dual Touch, and that sucks. Afterall we didn't get any upgrades. But since the x10 gets gingerbread i'm going to bay end this year/begin next year another S.E.
S.E. her phones are just fully functional. All apps work, great functions, calling is really good. They make phones + services that make a phone something you can call a ''phone''.
Im gonna stay with it till next year, thx to the devs of xda that made that phone a good android phone that will be able to keep up with other androids such as desire, galaxys and nexus, hope sony will really keep their promise for gingerbread on x10, i doubt it but hey long live the x10
staying with it till it drops dead! can't find a reason why i shouldn't...does what it has to do till know..
I'm sure that I'll stick with X10 at least until 2013 lol.
The design is just beautiful and I don't splash cash every one or two year to "update" my phone
Same with many posts above.
I will use this phone for a long long time. I may even keep it as an antique 20 years from now as this phone had a meaning for me.
I had doubts with this phone before, but the devs made this phone great.
Like they made it less sluggish and just much more brilliant than when I first got it on 1.6. I got this phone the first day it came out and sticked with it until now because I was a big sony fan. (i'm not sure if i still am, as it was a wild ride from the first day)
Honestly, I don't see the point of owning the latest phone out anymore. I mean they purposely make these phone less than perfect so you will buy another phone every year or so. It's called planned obsolescence.
The X10 looks great, the camera is good and it has decent capabilities. I don't have an incentive to buy another new phone for another couple years.
Ive got my arc today! ;-)
i think we will really have everything we need in a phone with the X10 after the ginger upgrade
i don't see a need to "upgrade" and pay for a newer phone just because it's newer
reasons:
the camera is not that much better, if better at all
bigger screen (and bigger phone) than 4" is a CON for me...
i think the X10 has a very good screen even with 65K colors (and that may change with GB update)
full multitouch - hm...i don't even use the dual touch and when i do, i use it on games and that works just fine
512mb of ram over 384mb - doesn't really make a difference, at least not on gingerbread
WiFi hotspot - barnacle works just fine and i think with GB it'll be native
front camera - not usable where i live so thanks...
Faster cpu/gpu - OK, MAYBE this will be one noticeable difference but still, i think when our devs polish SE's GB it'll be within 5% speed difference in real usability, maybe not in benchmarks, but i don't play benchmarks
i don't really use HDMI (nor do i have a TV for that matter)
i don't care about built in radio
we will also have flash on x10 with GB update
i don't know if i missed anything but that about sums it up that FOR ME, the new features are not needed so for now i'll stay on x10
I voted for option #2, but I'm getting the Galaxy s2 after summer, depending on how good the 2.3 upgrade is really
I was thinking of going to the Incredible S or Optimus 3d but with the X10 getting gingerbread and SE offering a version with an unlocked bootloader, I'll be getting neither the S or 3D and sticking with SE.
With that said, the Arc and Neo don't offer enough for me to replace the X10 (only considered the S because of its 768 mb ram, front cam, and rear cam that comes close to the X10 but not enough of an upgrade either).
I'll wait for SE to bring out a dual core scorpion or a single core Krait (with adreno 3xx series).
What makes this even more difficult for me is the whole AT&T and TMO-USA status. Are they going to share 3g towers (tmo users able to use ATT's 3g bands?). It would be hard to justify 5-600$ for a phone just for it to be useless on 3g the following year. The only pentaband devices I know so far are Nokia's S^3.
I will keep my x10 until my region gets covered with LTE, then i will change phone.
Sent from my X10a using Tapatalk
No reason to upgrade, the phone does what I need it to do, except be able to make calls in loud places!
I really don't see any reason to upgrade.
Granted, if I had money to spare, I'd certainly be tempted.
But if you combine my current unemployment with the upcoming GB update...
my X10 still has a long life ahead!
Getting the latest Google version officially from SE is plain AWESOME.
I do appreciate the effort put in custom ROMs and I have tried a handful of them,
but I believe that my device is at its full potential only on official firmwares
(at least until the bootloader gets cracked/bypassed).
i choose option 3!!
i'm actually looking to pass the x10 on to my wife, and get myself a Desire HD. there is just something about that 4.3" screen that is tempting me
kantk20111 said:
How many of you are planning to keep it, at least until the end of this year?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I definitely won't have X10 till end of year as too many great toys will explode before then.
Somehow, I seem to have preference for SE designs but only Arc looks good of the 4 new SE phones that are announced. Arc has very little to offer in terms of hardware improvements over X10. That to me is a big let down by SE. Maybe, they are not targeting these new phones for current X10 user base. These new models might be more to attract new customers towards SE by keeping the phone price low.
I wish Arc had the specs of Galaxy S2. I might still end up falling for Arc when I get to see it in person but that is only because of larger screen and sleek design. Or I might go low and buy Galaxy S2.
Did anyone try Samsung Focus? I thought the 5MP camera on it actually takes much better pictures than our X10. I am hoping Galaxy S2 might also be having a camera as good as Arc if not better.
Guys, the BOOTLOADER HAS BEEN CRACKED
This means that the X10 CAN AND WILL be as smooth and as functional as the Xperia Arc! This is AMAZING!
I WILL be sticking with my X10 until 2013-2014, or until there's a major update that will revolutionize phones. The X10 is as good as any 2011 single core phone, and is cheaper, and still has a great fanbase.
Long live the X10!
kantk20111 said:
Guys, the BOOTLOADER HAS BEEN CRACKED
This means that the X10 CAN AND WILL be as smooth and as functional as the Xperia Arc! This is AMAZING!
I WILL be sticking with my X10 until 2013-2014, or until there's a major update that will revolutionize phones. The X10 is as good as any 2011 single core phone, and is cheaper, and still has a great fanbase.
Long live the X10!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
the bootloader hasn't been cracked, it's been bypassed...
kantk20111 said:
Guys, the BOOTLOADER HAS BEEN CRACKED
This means that the X10 CAN AND WILL be as smooth and as functional as the Xperia Arc! This is AMAZING!
I WILL be sticking with my X10 until 2013-2014, or until there's a major update that will revolutionize phones. The X10 is as good as any 2011 single core phone, and is cheaper, and still has a great fanbase.
Long live the X10!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
yesterday my provider gave me a great deal on Iphone 4 - 32 gb, extent my contract for another 2 years and get Iphone for free + usb moderm + 5gb data for just 49$. I decided sell it to my wife's friend for 850$ and stick with X10 cuz it has all what I need and want for my work and study. there're only thing I miss that wifi tethering and hopefuly it'll be fixed on upcoming GB.
fiscidtox said:
the bootloader hasn't been cracked, it's been bypassed...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
What is the difference, in terms of what can be implemented ? (I really don't know, I'm hoping you do)
Hi all,
I did not see a thread on this when posting, if there is, it's labelled as something very different...
I've the 2010 Mini and want to buy the 2011 Mini - the one you guys have. It's useful to ask around for problems/happy features about the phone first...
So what do you really like/not like? Your phone is getting upgrade to ICS as well...with decent specs like that you might make the next update, Jellybean too. But how's your phone going?
Thanks
phoneyericsson said:
Hi all,
I did not see a thread on this when posting, if there is, it's labelled as something very different...
I've the 2010 Mini and want to buy the 2011 Mini - the one you guys have. It's useful to ask around for problems/happy features about the phone first...
So what do you really like/not like? Your phone is getting upgrade to ICS as well...with decent specs like that you might make the next update, Jellybean too. But how's your phone going?
Thanks
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If you want to buy xperia mini then go ahead buy it..it's a great device for a price..you are coming from smaller display..so you are not going to have any problem with 3 inch display..display is awesome..so do other things are..keep in mind that some minis were defective so get new stock they are not defective..if you get defective model then go to service center they will fix it..now there are plenty of roms to try..so if you get boar to stock rom then there are plenty of Roms to try..in my opinion you should buy xperia mini....
Sent from my ST15i using xda premium
ya the problems that mini had were fixed by the calibration fix Sony brought out promptly. and it's much better than the competition, you know that from your research!
That's great to hear...that's exactly the kind of stuff I've been hoping to hear!
Yeah it's a 3 inch screen and my bro has the Xperia X8 which also has 3 inch. but it's so much more compact in the Mini...and the Mini is so hot! Nevermind the upgraded features and good specs for future updates...
http://www.ptcrb.com/vendor/complete/view_complete_request_guest.cfm?modelid=19513
i don't know whether you realize it or not, the mini comes without the front facing camera.. first i thought it was a standard spec of all 2011 xperias, luckily someone point it to me just before i decided to go with cheaper mini. i use skype a lot.
Yeah it is a shame it doesn't have the front camera. The Xperia Ray does, and when ICS comes out for these devices, we can use that face-unlock. The thing is, that is really a gimmick. As fun as it is, as much as we want to show everyone the face-unlock, I don't really need it, though it is cool.
Good point about Skype though. I use it on my laptop but not on my phone. I'm interested in the extra camera etc. on the bigger Xperias but some of them are a bit pricey here and all of them have the same core features e.g. the CPU, GvPU, RAM etc. and I like that about the Mini, a lot of power in a decent 3 inch screen!
I wonder if it is a good idea to wait for Xperia P than to buy huge Xperia S.
Used Galaxy Ace for over 7 months and now I sold it. Thought to buy an S2 but I just hate that shape. No more samsung!!!
Always wanted to get my hands on Xperia Arc but many other good phones are out there now in the market. Like HTC Sensation XE, Galaxy S2, etc. People will laugh if I buy an arc now. But still arc is taking over my mind because its cost is very low now compared to other phones.
I already have 630$ in my amazon.com account (as gift card balance), but I have to add some $ 80 to it to buy Xperia S and ship it to India.
I prefer Xperia P over Xperia S coz:
Smaller in size (just 4.5mm width difference but I think it matters)
8MP is enough for me
HD screen is not a must (540X960 pixels is fine)
I don't want a HD front Camera (I don't want a front camera at all for another one or two years).
But S is better over P because of 32GB storage, 1.5GHz. Well at least I have to say myself that P costs less.
What I want to do now is buy an arc, use it for 4 or 5 months, then sell it and buy the Xperia P. By the end of april sure P will be released. And after another 2 months its price will also be reduced much, like all sony phones does.
What say, friends? Now should I buy Xperia S or Arc?
The S supports USB OTG as well, it's in another thread
it's your money, I like the S because of the speed, camera, size, and looks.
Ultimately it's what you think about the two, the P has the looks, but the rest isn't doing it for me
Jazz Like That said:
I wonder if it is a good idea to wait for Xperia P than to buy huge Xperia S.
Used Galaxy Ace for over 7 months and now I sold it. Thought to buy an S2 but I just hate that shape. No more samsung!!!
Always wanted to get my hands on Xperia Arc but many other good phones are out there now in the market. Like HTC Sensation XE, Galaxy S2, etc. People will laugh if I buy an arc now. But still arc is taking over my mind because its cost is very low now compared to other phones.
I already have 630$ in my amazon.com account (as gift card balance), but I have to add some $ 80 to it to buy Xperia S and ship it to India.
I prefer Xperia P over Xperia S coz:
Smaller in size (just 4.5mm width difference but I think it matters)
8MP is enough for me
HD screen is not a must (540X960 pixels is fine)
I don't want a HD front Camera (I don't want a front camera at all for another one or two years).
But S is better over P because of 32GB storage, 1.5GHz. Well at least I have to say myself that P costs less.
What I want to do now is buy an arc, use it for 4 or 5 months, then sell it and buy the Xperia P. By the end of april sure P will be released. And after another 2 months its price will also be reduced much, like all sony phones does.
What say, friends? Now should I buy Xperia S or Arc?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
IMO it will be stupid to buy a Arc now only to sell it again in a few months. But that just me. If you have S2 now you have big screen. And after my experince once you got a big screen you never go back. Same with televisions. And besides the arc has nearly the same size screen as the S. So i don't see your logic? Games and pictures and video is so much better on a high resolution big screen. And if you wait for the P alot other mobiles will be released by then, and then you can't decide again.
Your argument about front faced camera, well i don't realy undestand it. I doubt i'll ever use my front faced camera other than taking pictures of my self. So nobody says you have to use it and you barley notice it on the S.
Buy the S. It's a great phone just like the Arc was. The Arc was also the flagship and the followers was Neo, Pro and play. The Sony Xperia S is also the flagship the U and P are just limited editions followers.
Buy the flagship.
Jazz Like That said:
I don't want a HD front Camera (I don't want a front camera at all for another one or two years).
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Face unlock in ice cream sandwich only works with front facing camera.
So you think the Xperia S is too big but you are thinking of an S II?
I like handsets that i can operate with 1 hand. Its the main reason i walked away from the Galaxy Nexus Prime.
I had the X10 and the Xperia S is 5-10mm taller and a couple of mm wider.
I have no problem driving this animal with 1 hand.
Sony's policy (until now it seems) was to release a flagship model 2010 was the X10, 2011 was the Arc and this year is the 'S' until August anyway. Then they released a mid and lower range handset.
I know that if i got the lesser models i would always wishing i got the flagship instead.
Just my personal feelings and obviously you do as you please.
Just don't make a decision on what you think.
Get down to a mobile phone shop and get your choices in your hands. Your choice would be at least then justified and not on guess work.
Sent from my SGH T100 from xda premium app
I posted some early impression of the Xperia S HERE with some pics of Xperia S against arc.
- If you had any screen bigger than 4.0, Xperia P will be small
- Dual Core 1GHz should be enough but 1.5GHz could help you with some apps later
-There are differences between the two and Xperia S tops it out. I felt in love with Xperia P aluminum unibody and the fact doesn't have flaps for USB connection but once I got the Xperia S I forgot all of those fact.
Xperia S is good built quality phone to the extends that Xperia ARC feels like a little toy in front of it. Flap doesn't bother me at all and made the whole phone experience even better (as far as look)
You could always buy the Xperia S and then sell it whenever you want.
Good luck mate,
Nimche said:
I posted some early impression of the Xperia S HERE with some pics of Xperia S against arc.
- If you had any screen bigger than 4.0, Xperia P will be small
- Dual Core 1GHz should be enough but 1.5GHz could help you with some apps later
-There are differences between the two and Xperia S tops it out. I felt in love with Xperia P aluminum unibody and the fact doesn't have flaps for USB connection but once I got the Xperia S I forgot all of those fact.
Xperia S is good built quality phone to the extends that Xperia ARC feels like a little toy in front of it. Flap doesn't bother me at all and made the whole phone experience even better (as far as look)
You could always buy the Xperia S and then sell it whenever you want.
Good luck mate,
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Flaps don't bother me also, when I'm thinking about using them.
What really bothers me is that, because the Xperia S has these flaps, this probably means that the Smart Dock Acessory that's available for both Xperia P and Xperia Ion does not work or is not supposed to work on Xperia S, which is supposed to be the company's flagship...
ErichSan said:
Flaps don't bother me also, when I'm thinking about using them.
What really bothers me is that, because the Xperia S has these flaps, this probably means that the Smart Dock Acessory that's available for both Xperia P and Xperia Ion does not work or is not supposed to work on Xperia S, which is supposed to be the company's flagship...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah i'm slightly confused that Sony haven't made a dock for the S either. What with Ubuntu coming to Android this would have been an awesome accessory. Come home from work, dock the phone in and fire up a full fledged OS and carry on with work on a bigger screen. Obviously we can still do this with the HDMI out and the USB but seems a missed oppertunity.
i read somewhere that xperia s would work with livedock.. which is a lot better deal considering it won't go irrelevant once u upgrade your phone..
darth5zaft said:
i read somewhere that xperia s would work with livedock.. which is a lot better deal considering it won't go irrelevant once u upgrade your phone..
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It does work.. I bought it for Arc long ago and now using it for Xperia S..
Sent from my LT26i using xda premium
have you checked out the sony sola.
kms108 said:
have you checked out the sony sola.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The sola is a whole other device with the floating touch thing and not really in the same ballpark even as the S and the P.
It's got only a 5MP camera
1Ghz Dual Core
3.7"
512MB RAM
No secondary camera
Apparently from what i'm reading: No Bravia engine
It does have the Novathor u8500 chipset though?
Sola vs S specs: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4408&idPhone2=4369
Sola vs P specs: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4408&idPhone2=4436
I think it's just meant to be a sort of a flagship floating touch phone with that being the main focus.
S is the mobile at the moment.
I have ordered it already and may get it in my hands by tomorrow.
Thank you guys for the suggestions.
Sola white paper http://www-support-downloads.sonymobile.com/mt27/whitepaper_EN_mt27_xperia_sola.pdf
p white paper http://www-support-downloads.sonymobile.com/lt22/whitepaper_EN_lt22_xperia_p.pdf
RiotRick said:
Face unlock in ice cream sandwich only works with front facing camera.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Another Siri style featires -_-
Who really need this?
---------- Post added at 11:19 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:17 AM ----------
shmoejoe said:
The sola is a whole other device with the floating touch thing and not really in the same ballpark even as the S and the P.
It's got only a 5MP camera
1Ghz Dual Core
3.7"
512MB RAM
No secondary camera
Apparently from what i'm reading: No Bravia engine
It does have the Novathor u8500 chipset though?
Sola vs S specs: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4408&idPhone2=4369
Sola vs P specs: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4408&idPhone2=4436
I think it's just meant to be a sort of a flagship floating touch phone with that being the main focus.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
On Smartphone sensor probably 5MP make better photo then 8+
I just don't know what to get. Help me!
Hello!
What's up? *insert ceiling joke here*
I'm going to tell you a funny story.
In January, I ordered the Sony Ericsson Xperia Arc S but it took so long to arrive and I fell in love with the SXS, so I cancelled!
I was sure to get the SXS but then I saw the P and asked myself 'do I really need a high-end model? As long as it has 1Gb ram it's cool for me. Right?' I got no answer.
The SXP looks very appealing... Not only for the dock, but for it's built and size...and in red is just stunning
I'm getting tired of waiting...and being confuse. I really want to try android... So many cool stuff to do.
I want to hear your opinions.
Neriah said:
Hello!
What's up? *insert ceiling joke here*
I'm going to tell you a funny story.
In January, I ordered the Sony Ericsson Xperia Arc S but it took so long to arrive and I fell in love with the SXS, so I cancelled!
I was sure to get the SXS but then I saw the P and asked myself 'do I really need a high-end model? As long as it has 1Gb ram it's cool for me. Right?' I got no answer.
The SXP looks very appealing... Not only for the dock, but for it's built and size...and in red is just stunning
I'm getting tired of waiting...and being confuse. I really want to try android... So many cool stuff to do.
I want to hear your opinions.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Dude.. Its not at all funny. It completely makes sense.
Frankly I felt the same thing as you. Arc S is a great phone and I always wanted to get it in my hands. But when SXS and SXP were announced I felt it is worth waiting for them.
Also I felt like 'Do I really need a high-end mobile?' (just like you felt). That is why I opened this thread.
SXP is a good one but its not yet launched.
Now if you can't wait to get an android mobile and if you can afford to buy a high end mobile then it is completely worth buying an SXS. Previously I used 'Galaxy Ace' and now am having a great time after getting the SXS. The mobile is simply amazing.
Also do check 'HTC One X'. It is also a high end model and it comes with ICS. But personally I love Sony. Also One X is longer and wider compared to SXS. Hence I went for SXS.
Jazz Like That said:
Dude.. Its not at all funny. It completely makes sense.
Frankly I felt the same thing as you. Arc S is a great phone and I always wanted to get it in my hands. But when SXS and SXP were announced I felt it is worth waiting for them.
Also I felt like 'Do I really need a high-end mobile?' (just like you felt). That is why I opened this thread.
SXP is a good one but its not yet launched.
Now if you can't wait to get an android mobile and if you can afford to buy a high end mobile then it is completely worth buying an SXS. Previously I used 'Galaxy Ace' and now am having a great time after getting the SXS. The mobile is simply amazing.
Also do check 'HTC One X'. It is also a high end model and it comes with ICS. But personally I love Sony. Also One X is longer and wider compared to SXS. Hence I went for SXS.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Lol in this case it's dudette.
I checked out the HTC One X and the One S but, HTC fans please forgive, it's not as beautiful as the SXS. Sony adds that mojo that makes you fall in love. Plus, I know SenseUI is pretty and has lots of tweaks however Sony's simplicity is pure win.
I'm going to wait a bit for the P, to hear about it from people who use it daily. Then I'll decide which to buy. I have to choose wisely, I'll be with one of them for 2 years
Neriah said:
I checked out the HTC One X and the One S but, HTC fans please forgive, it's not as beautiful as the SXS. Sony adds that mojo that makes you fall in love. Plus, I know SenseUI is pretty and has lots of tweaks however Sony's simplicity is pure win.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
+1 to your opinion about HTC and Sony
Neriah said:
I'm going to wait a bit for the P, to hear about it from people who use it daily. Then I'll decide which to buy. I have to choose wisely, I'll be with one of them for 2 years
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hey! If you are going to wait for P to launch then there is nothing big to decide. Like I said previously, if you can afford to buy a high end mobile then SXS would be ideal option to choose. If you feel like high end mobile is not necessary then surely SXP would be the one for you. The point is both are quality mobiles in their range.
Even after the launch of P you cannot get proper opinions comparing them. Both come under different range. I am sure both users will say S is good (its sony's flagship afterall, isn't it?). Like I said, it all comes down to whether you can afford for it or not.
And it would be silly if you buy the S after the release of P because you like S more. I mean the wait would be meaningless, right?
Keep reading the reviews of SXS. I am sure you are doing it now. Also what do you feel about SGSIII?
I would say that the Xperia P is the smallest brother to Xperia S.
I was also thinking about Xperia P, but I wanted a little bit bigger screen, but with bigger screen, it means bigger phone. It's not very comfy to control the Xperia S with only one hand. I'm a teenager so I don't have big man hands.
And Xperia P was not available in my country at that time, and I desperatly needed a phone, so there was no other choice then Xperia S.
But I think I get used to this big Xperia S phone. It would be even more perfect if it wasn't that tall (tricky to control the phone with only the thumb over the big area of screen).
But if I went for the Xperia P, it would be like my old Xperia X10, with 1GHz processor, 8MP and same screen size, so upgrading wouldnt be that big of a deal, so I just went for something good when I already was buying a new phone in 2012!
Good luck chosing your phone!
Samsung Galaxy S III is a mighty beast? Agreed. Does it have the meanest specs? It does. Can it be upgraded to Android's latest when it comes? Might not be.
S III reviews are coming out and here's a quote from The Verge's review-
"One thing that goes consistently overlooked with respect to Samsung’s phones is the company’s ignominious track record with Android software updates. There may be worse offenders out there, but Samsung’s chronic failure to update its devices on time (or at all) is a significant black mark for a brand looking to lead the way in almost every other respect. Thus, as much as I may enjoy the Galaxy S III today, I have to temper that enthusiasm with the knowledge that its long-term future may not be as rosy as that of a stock Android device"
http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/25/3042640/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-review
The Galaxy S II ICS update hasn't come to India yet where Sony is almost ready to release ICS updates for their low-end range in a week, despite S II being a flagship. People in this forum are constantly doubting Sony's commitment to their customers. I don't know why but they should never. For a company which is willing to support the developer community for the greater good, nothing speaks more trust than that. So if you worried about the ICS update or future updates about your XPERIA S, never worry. Just wait for a couple of weeks more and you will get it.
So will you trust Sony?
i owned an xperia x10->ray and now xperia s.
the xps is a very good phone i can say is fantastic, i played some howers a go a game made by qualcomm it self (snapdragon) the game is Desert wind still in very very alpha and not even completed and i can say that game completly destroys all tegra 3 games i ever seen!
but lets be honest the galaxy s3 is a better phone in many aspects, is a newer high end phone is normal to be better, not only for the futures he comes with but for the hardware to, if i should buy a new phone right now i'll wait for the galaxy s 3!
No i'll never trust FONY again!
It is absolutly a fatal error that FONY decided to update tre 2011 line before the new XPERIA S "flagship"...
AND...
The S/E update track record is also really not something they can be proud of...
Xperia X10 with 1.6 on launch, ages and deadlines went by before we finally got 2.1...
And then they said that X10 would not recive 2.3... Just after a huge pressure they finally decided to put together a 2.3, but without the features the phone had in 2.1 smileshutter and so on... Again we had to wait for ages...
They use excuses like hardware limitations, but really, even the X10 run ICS... Thank god for XDA!!!
And dont get me started on the whole single/dual touch issue... That was also really not something they should be proud of...
Sent from my FONY Xperia S using XDA premium!
pshdo said:
No i'll never trust FONY again!
It is absolutly a fatal error that FONY decided to update tre 2011 line before the new XPERIA S "flagship"...
AND...
The S/E update track record is also really not something they can be proud of...
Xperia X10 with 1.6 on launch, ages and deadlines went by before we finally got 2.1...
And then they said that X10 would not recive 2.3... Just after a huge pressure they finally decided to put together a 2.3, but without the features the phone had in 2.1 smileshutter and so on... Again we had to wait for ages...
They use excuses like hardware limitations, but really, even the X10 run ICS... Thank god for XDA!!!
And dont get me started on the whole single/dual touch issue... That was also really not something they should be proud of...
Sent from my FONY Xperia S using XDA premium!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Even my X10 MP could run ICS. But that's marketing. It has been like that and always will be.
Xperia for life..
Sony simply love the aftermarket developers, users need.
They are social company, not some kind of competitor like apple or samsung, they aiming only for money..
Sony aim also on money, but taking in mind care of users, satisfaction of user, being reliable, accepting if they mistake in something (arc case, xperia s screen) and wiling to repair it for free...
what do you need more?
great phone poor support
i cant think of many reasons, and i have the xperia s,
it has a better screen (ppi) and i prefer the look of the xperia s, when ics comes to the xperia s i might be able to find more however with the s3 having a much larger battery, current reviews(benchmarks) say it has twice the standby time of the htc one x,
although samsung have fallen in the update area, sony have been far from good with theres with something as small as firmware and ics, three, tmobile and orange have all released there version of the .73 firmware to fix the battery drain issue and there is no generic version released as yet and wont be for some weeks, i developed the yellow tint on my first xperia s and had to wait 6 weeks for my phone to be returned, not sure what samsung are like at this but from my point of view i paid £400 for as phone that went dead after 42 days !!!! i should have had a replacement set to me not a repair
then there is ics which has a big stamp on the box saying its upgradable, the one x comes out with it, the 2011 range get it and still another month or two wait for there so called flagship to recieve the update when samsung s2 recieved the upgrade before sony got it to the 2011 range aswell,
sony were once the best in the market but now there one of the worst for it,
as much as i love the phone to pieces and wouldnt swap it for anything else on the market at the moment the support from sony and the timely updates are appalling,
i even had a chat with sony support and asked when the 73 firmware update will be released for generic uk users and his response was "do you mean ics" further training needed too i think,
plus on the xperia s
screen
camera
playstation certified
panorama 3d photos,
hdmi support
styling (see thru cap at bottom is a very good touch esp in a dark room/club)
plus on the samsung
processor
lte version to be released
additional micro sd slot ( i know 32gb is enough but what about when you want to print photos direct from the phone in store) micro sd does come in handy
ics already pre installed,
better browsing due to ics
better multitaksing due to ics the list can go on
when xperia s gets ics i still think the xperia s will be the better phone as you dont need a quad core nowadays but it has to be listed as a pro for the s3, i doubt you will get the use of it for another year or so until some advanced apps come out,
pshdo said:
No i'll never trust FONY again!
It is absolutly a fatal error that FONY decided to update tre 2011 line before the new XPERIA S "flagship"...
AND...
The S/E update track record is also really not something they can be proud of...
Xperia X10 with 1.6 on launch, ages and deadlines went by before we finally got 2.1...
And then they said that X10 would not recive 2.3... Just after a huge pressure they finally decided to put together a 2.3, but without the features the phone had in 2.1 smileshutter and so on... Again we had to wait for ages...
They use excuses like hardware limitations, but really, even the X10 run ICS... Thank god for XDA!!!
And dont get me started on the whole single/dual touch issue... That was also really not something they should be proud of...
Sent from my FONY Xperia S using XDA premium!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The Samasung track record for updating is much much worse than Sony. Sony is one of the best when it comes to updating for Android. Also I would rather have them wait and release an almost perfect version than push out a crummy one. Go test the HTC One series which have lag issues in ICS and you will see what I mean.
pshdo said:
No i'll never trust FONY again!
It is absolutly a fatal error that FONY decided to update tre 2011 line before the new XPERIA S "flagship"...
AND...
The S/E update track record is also really not something they can be proud of...
Xperia X10 with 1.6 on launch, ages and deadlines went by before we finally got 2.1...
And then they said that X10 would not recive 2.3... Just after a huge pressure they finally decided to put together a 2.3, but without the features the phone had in 2.1 smileshutter and so on... Again we had to wait for ages...
They use excuses like hardware limitations, but really, even the X10 run ICS... Thank god for XDA!!!
And dont get me started on the whole single/dual touch issue... That was also really not something they should be proud of...
Sent from my FONY Xperia S using XDA premium!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You should try owning a Motorola if you think Sony have done you a disservice.
Fanboi threads are fail. Sony lost alot of good will with the fiasco that was the x10. Samsung ran rings around them and to be fair, and speaking as an S user, they still do. Updates? Sony vs Samsung? It's a no brainer. The S2 didn't get to where it is by shoddy after market support, quite the contrary. If it wasn't for the vast number of pissed off customers the x10 would still be running 2.1. Sony lovers devs? The lols just keep coming. All the aftermarket devs have done has been to show just how incompetent Sony are, how they try to hoodwink their less tech savvy customers by spinning utter bull**** about hardware limitations etc... And the list goes on. 3 months down the line im still waiting to be able to have some fun with my S. Silly me, should have held on to my brilliant S2 and waited for a proper phone by a manufacturer that knows how to please the masses.
Well, I would never, ever consider the Xperia S over the S3. Never. Xperia S in my opinion is a competitor of the GNex. S3? No.
The Hayabusa will be that phone.
And about the updates, remember that Carriers are the biggest problem, specially in these cases of "not in my country!"
And didn't Sony just said they won't update the Xperia Play? I mean, seriously?
lol where is the update for the original flagship arc? They updated the mid end neo V and ray but not the arc how wonderful!! And did you hear they cancelled the update for the xperia play despite "promising" it?
Wait wait where is the update for the xperia S for that matter? Are you even serious making this topic? So what if the S2 update hasnt reached india yet? It's pretty simple to put another country firmware, you really dont need indian firmware just because one lives in india. There is hardly any difference.
Samsung has bad support for their mid end and low end phones yes thats true but it doesnt apply in the slightest bit to their flagship. The galaxy S was one of the first phones after nexus S to get gingerbread. Galaxy S wasnt updated to ICS but neither was any other phone from it's time.
It's unfortunate that the Xperia PLAY won't get ICS, but it's down to issues with the gamepad and changes in ICS - which would ultimately require most Xperia PLAY optimised games to be modified.
I think Sony realised that this was not practical and had to make a tough decision. Yes, it does mean they can no longer claim to be upgrading every single 2011 model - but one exception is still pretty good compared to all of those HTC, Samsung, LG and Motorola models released in 2011 that won't get updates (contrary to popular belief, Samsung did release more than the Note and Galaxy S II last year!).
jonmorris said:
It's unfortunate that the Xperia PLAY won't get ICS, but it's down to issues with the gamepad and changes in ICS - which would ultimately require most Xperia PLAY optimised games to be modified.
I think Sony realised that this was not practical and had to make a tough decision. Yes, it does mean they can no longer claim to be upgrading every single 2011 model - but one exception is still pretty good compared to all of those HTC, Samsung, LG and Motorola models released in 2011 that won't get updates (contrary to popular belief, Samsung did release more than the Note and Galaxy S II last year!).
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If you cut down the SGSII variants that are a problem of the carriers, the number of devices goes down.
Plus, they should be working in the update of the Xperia S even before it's release. I dunno why they did this the way they did. They screwed up big time IMO.
jonmorris said:
It's unfortunate that the Xperia PLAY won't get ICS, but it's down to issues with the gamepad and changes in ICS - which would ultimately require most Xperia PLAY optimised games to be modified.
I think Sony realised that this was not practical and had to make a tough decision. Yes, it does mean they can no longer claim to be upgrading every single 2011 model - but one exception is still pretty good compared to all of those HTC, Samsung, LG and Motorola models released in 2011 that won't get updates (contrary to popular belief, Samsung did release more than the Note and Galaxy S II last year!).
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
HTC is updating most of it's phones as well, even the desire HD which was launched in 2010!! You cant expect them to update something like the wildfire S with a 600mhz CPU and 512MB ROM. The minimum xperia phone getting updated is 1Ghz CPU and 1GB ROM.
Samsung did mess up yes but not on their flagship, do you even know the S2 has started shipping with ICS out of the box? The verge reviewer has no idea what he is talking about.
I never recommend the cheaper samsung phones to anyone but to try to put the S3 in a negative spot because of how samsung treats it's cheaper phones is ridiculous.
http://www.gsmarena.com/galaxy_s_ii_in_india_is_now_shipping_with_android_40_ics-news-4273.php
The reviewer of The Verge is the guy who got his heart broken by Samsung in the release of the S3.
I'm just pleased to see that he did gave a 0 to the phone.
Another plus for the S3, the dev support it will have will likely be unprecedent. It's already the most preordered gadget in history (sure, the number is much higher than the real purchases because some people have pre ordered different collors and memory amount just to be safe).
Motorola sucks. I hope that with it's new CEO things will change there and they get back on the right track of producing great phones. My Motorola Milestone (2009) is able to run CM9 with it's OMAP3 550mhz (overclocked at 1ghz) and 256mb of RAM, pretty impressive for a device with a locked bootloader, IMO.
I agree with you that Xperia S is better, but your reason isn't right. The thing is everyone's impressed with the s3's specs like qead-core processor although it is something you definitely don't need these days. You will never get to a point when a dual-core will not be enough for ANY kind of software. Moreover, xperia S' camera is better and has faster processor.
Long story short, Samsung is putting a lot of effort on over mighty specifications you don't need, maybe just for the once who compare it to the S by specs only. The ICS delay is annoying I must say, but it is not that terrible.. Another month is not THAT much.
Xperia S is sexy, awesome display and camera, and very fast. Sony is my choice.
Sent from my Xperia S with KA5.2
MasterLinuxer said:
You will never get to a point when a dual-core will not be enough for ANY kind of software. Moreover, xperia S' camera is better and has faster processor.
Sent from my Xperia S with KA5.2
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
They said the same thing about 1Ghz single core CPU's, they always say xyz will always be enough forever but it is never the case. The biggest limitation of xperia S is actually the GPU which really could have been better for 720p resolution. 1.5Ghz dual core CPU and 1GB ram would not cause any issues for a long time.
Xperia S camera is not better just because it has more megapixels. I would think the camera is just about equal on both, the great feature the xperia S has is camera button.
And xperia has faster processor? lol wut?
pshdo said:
No i'll never trust FONY again!
It is absolutly a fatal error that FONY decided to update tre 2011 line before the new XPERIA S "flagship"...
AND...
The S/E update track record is also really not something they can be proud of...
Xperia X10 with 1.6 on launch, ages and deadlines went by before we finally got 2.1...
And then they said that X10 would not recive 2.3... Just after a huge pressure they finally decided to put together a 2.3, but without the features the phone had in 2.1 smileshutter and so on... Again we had to wait for ages...
They use excuses like hardware limitations, but really, even the X10 run ICS... Thank god for XDA!!!
And dont get me started on the whole single/dual touch issue... That was also really not something they should be proud of...
Sent from my FONY Xperia S using XDA premium!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Did Samsung Galaxy S get ICS? And mind u, Samsung sold a butt load of those.
Sent from my Sony Tablet S using XDA Premium HD app
To a few people here, easy guys. Let's have a constructive discussion and not a bashing one. I for one am not a Sony representative and am quite an objective gadget lover - have many devices including an iPod touch (because I love Apple's OS fluidoty), a Galaxy S2, the Xperia S and the Ray. It makes sense to love everything
Now to the point I wanted to make. Companies should sometimes care about customers too. The fact that X10 got 2.3 is huge. Do you remember Samsung's first galaxy having anything more than 1.6? Do you remember the HTC Hero with more than 2.1? Sony never left these customers in the lurch. Asking for ICS when you bought the X10 is like wishing for lifetime ice-cream supply.
I will tell you another case which I think everybody should know. Samsung quietly replaced the S2 I9100 with I9100G a couple of months ago in the Indian market. What do you say is all the fuss eh? The chipset inside is not a dual-core Exynos or Mali GFX chipset. It's replaced by Cortex A9 and PowerVR SGX540. The processor was underclocked. The GPU was inferior. Asked Samsung on Twitter and they said that chipsets have been replaced but they have similar performance. Benchmarks around the world suggested otherwise. So is Samsung being very clever? Would you like to buy something that is a lie and a false promise in the first place? They just released this model in developing markets because there was a Exynos shortage for European markets so they realised why not fool the mindless buyers of lowly markets!
And I have one question at the end of this - WOULD YOU HAVE ACCEPTED SUCH MANIPULATIVE MARKET PRACTICES?
Sent from my wonderful Xperia S
Hardware debate again. The only valid argument for GSIII is its hardware.
Sent from my LT26i using xda premium