Me and my mother are switching to At&t soon, and I'm kinda stuck. I have an Epic on Sprint now and development is top notch. Miui,cm7,cm9, sense ports are being worked on, its just great. What my issue is, is I can't figure out what phone to get. I'm stuck mostly between the HTC Vivid and the OG SGSII. Development is huge for me, I'm a terrible flashaholic. I NEED good stuff to flash such as cm, miui, and stuff like that. Benchmarks don't matter to me.. but development does.. what do you guys think I should do?
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What answer do you expect from this forum? You think people here would tell you to go to the vivid? Not very likely
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What answer do you expect from this forum? You think people here would tell you to go to the vivid? Not very likely
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Well, someone in vivid told me to get sgsii, so, anything is possible.
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nbunn said:
Me and my mother are switching to At&t soon, and I'm kinda stuck. I have an Epic on Sprint now and development is top notch. Miui,cm7,cm9, sense ports are being worked on, its just great. What my issue is, is I can't figure out what phone to get. I'm stuck mostly between the HTC Vivid and the OG SGSII. Development is huge for me, I'm a terrible flashaholic. I NEED good stuff to flash such as cm, miui, and stuff like that. Benchmarks don't matter to me.. but development does.. what do you guys think I should do?
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I don't think anyone here would tell you to not get our device...
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The HTC Vivid is more comparable to the Skyrocket really. It's huge.
I've only had the HTC Inspire 4G but that phone was worlds harder to mod than the SGS2. HTC seems more adamant about people not rooting their devices, and for that reason I'd say go for the SGS2. Plus this phone basically shares the i9100 community since the Hellraiser by Entropy. I don't know much about the Vivid community so I cant comment there. The only appealing thing to me about HTC is its Sense UI. I personally like it better than TouchWiz.
Honestly if Dev support is what you're looking for then this is the phone for your, vivid can't even compare.
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Vivid - Locked bootloader, enough said...
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Vivid - Locked bootloader, enough said...
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Thought the updated HTC tool took care of that?
Anyway. Get the i777 OG SGSII. Nuff said.
Any Galaxy S variant will be the best option for development, mainly because the international versions get ported over relatively quickly and have huge dev support.
Go with the vivid, faster data, better ui, better hardware and will probably have ICS before the SG2, ohh and yes you can unlock the bootloader with developer tool.
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Go with the vivid, faster data, better ui, better hardware and will probably have ICS before the SG2, ohh and yes you can unlock the bootloader with developer tool.
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Better UI is subjective, i find sense to be a little too over the top with animations and it slows the phone down with its bloat. We have better hardware no question thoug, the vivid may have better build quality, but its hardware is definitely not better (Exynos>>>>>>>> Snapdragon). The S II never had a locked bootloader to begin with either so we didn't have to wait months for that. Also, what the hell makes you think we'll get ICS after the vivid? we are waiting for two things that will be solved when source is released for the international Galaxy S II i9100, which has a huge developer following unlike the vivid.
Tough call. I love my gs2. I'm always looking at flashing too. Since the hellraiser package from the great entropy it opened the doors to almost all the roms at the I9100 section. Now we have a flashaholic tool also. Only downfall for the time being is us waiting for kernel source for ics. Which should hopefully be real soon. Most all the devs in the I9100 are now doing ics roms and unfortunately we can't run it properly. But when that day comes when we can watch out, the flood gates will be wide open to tons of roms.
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Thought the updated HTC tool took care of that?
Anyway. Get the i777 OG SGSII. Nuff said.
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They still have s-on. They can flash roms, but not radios, or rooted ruu's.
But anyways get whatever you like, the vivid is a great device in my opinion. (I'm a sense lover). Touchwiz 4 l love also, I picked this phone because of the processor, its a Samsung
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Not fully locked yet not fully unlocked either. Its perfectly usable.
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HTC is known for small batteries and the Vivid is in that category.
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Not fully locked yet not fully unlocked either. Its perfectly usable.
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HTC is known for small batteries and the Vivid is in that category.
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battery life is definitely worse on my vivid.
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Don't you have both Pirateghost? If you had to get rid of one, which would it be and why?
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Whoa. Don't make me pick one of my children!
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HTC is known for small batteries and the Vivid is in that category.
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Any LTE device will deliver poor battery life - just like UMTS (3G) was bad for battery in the first 1-2 years of its existence.
After a year or two, LTE will hopefully no longer have the power penalty it currently has, but right now, LTE = battery hogging fatty. Just look at how awful all of Verizon's phones have been in the weight/battery life arena since they moved to LTE. Supposedly the radios in AT&T's LTE phones are better, but all reports I've heard indicate otherwise.
The Vivid boot unlocker is a HTC site, once you use it your phone's warranty is null and void. Really nice HTC.
GS2 has CM7, MIUI, numerous hellraised roms, and Samsung touchwiz roms. Development in the Vivid is much more limited. Maybe that will change in the future but who can say.
Good point - technically the flash counter on GS2 voids your warranty, but it's REALLY easy to bypass that currently.
Voiding warranty due to custom binaries is lame - If a manufacturer is concerned with custom firmware causing problems, they simply need to make it easy to return-to-stock. None of this bull**** with putting minefields in the path of those who want custom firmware that make it easier to brick.
Samsung already has this capability, but they only enable it from the factory on the Galaxy Player. With a full return-to-stock image, the Galaxy Player 5.0 cannot be hardbricked by any means - if the bootloaders are corrupted, it falls back to a built-in bootloader mode within the CPU hardware. All Hummingbird and Exynos devices have this capability but Samsung usually disables it.
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Motorola really needs to hurry up and release the source for the Photon!!! The lack of kernel/ROM development is really frustrating and I really want to put my rooted Photon through the paces!
Yes honda i know exactly what you mean. I'm hoping they release the source very soon I'm suffering from not being able to flash anything, I blame it on my og Evo
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I think it is happening some time this week. The first time I have ever hoped that a guy would show me his packages!
http://sourceforge.net/motorola/discussion/general_comments/thread/0162c299/
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Same here. My 3D is still sitting on my desk, it is calling me but I am fighting the urge to go back!
It's tough, guys, especially with the beast of a phone that Sprint will be getting soon (SGSII), which you know will have mad support here in XDA. I will probably end up giving the Photon to my son and getting the SGSII instead.
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It's tough, guys, especially with the beast of a phone that Sprint will be getting soon (SGSII), which you know will have mad support here in XDA. I will probably end up giving the Photon to my son and getting the SGSII instead.
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I don't know man, I looked at that thing, I don't think I would trade it up to be honest. We will have kernel love here really soon, I can feel it. That SGSII doesn't seem very cool looking to me and I don't think I can go back to Samsung. I used to have the Eternity, the almost a smartphone but not quite. If I go to anything it won't be until 2012 when we get the HTC Kingdom or something of that nature. Can't see myself going to the SGSII, but who knows, if it has mad support and the hardware is comparable to the Photon, meaning performance and real numbers wise then its a possibility.
But I'm still not giving up on the Photon.
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I am feeling the itch too but then I step back and think about it, what is wrong with the current function of my phone then I draw a big blank. Granted I would love to push more performance to future proof but really can't see a whole lot of need to go beyond root for the immediate future.
If you are comparing the development scene to the original EVO I don't think that anything will ever compare. It was so far ahead of its time people swarmed to it. The GS2 looks great on paper (he'll it looks good in the leaked photos) but samsung has let me down with firmware (example EPIC). I can totally relate though I would love to see some CM7/MIUI on here.
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As far as performance, the Exynos runs circles around the Photon... As for firmware updates, that's what we have XDA for. I am going to wait till it's released and see how it feels. I'm loving my Photon, don't get me wrong, but I've always been a tinkerer and I sort of go with the flow sort of speak. I guess I was spoiled with how the OG EVO development took off... Let's see how it goes with the Photon while we wait for the SGS2 to be released.
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As far as performance, the Exynos runs circles around the Photon... As for firmware updates, that's what we have XDA for. I am going to wait till it's released and see how it feels. I'm loving my Photon, don't get me wrong, but I've always been a tinkerer and I sort of go with the flow sort of speak. I guess I was spoiled with how the OG EVO development took off... Let's see how it goes with the Photon while we wait for the SGS2 to be released.
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I am going to try and get a theme up and running... thats the only thing I can help with thusfar lol
I'm thinking of getting the sgs 2 but Samsung kills me with updates. I don't know if it would be worth it.
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I'm thinking of getting the sgs 2 but Samsung kills me with updates. I don't know if it would be worth it.
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Ya the Epic is still waiting for gingerbread release.
I know, that's why I got rid of it after a month. Went to the evo and got spoiled.
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As far as performance, the Exynos runs circles around the Photon... As for firmware updates, that's what we have XDA for. I am going to wait till it's released and see how it feels. I'm loving my Photon, don't get me wrong, but I've always been a tinkerer and I sort of go with the flow sort of speak. I guess I was spoiled with how the OG EVO development took off... Let's see how it goes with the Photon while we wait for the SGS2 to be released.
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I don't think anything runs circles around the Photon, I think the Photon is the one running circles. As far as real numbers, that is true. If not please link me some information. That SGS2 will not beat the Photon, sorry but I am an avid overclocker with PC's and I know that if this phone out of the box out performs any phone on the market right now, its just going to get severely better with custom kernels. I personally can't wait now that we have release.
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The exynos processor of the sgs2 is leaps and bounds better. Hands down. Sammy support is balls though. And terrible radios.
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The exynos processor of the sgs2 is leaps and bounds better. Hands down. Sammy support is balls though. And terrible radios.
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+1 samsung epic ex-owner here, phone had great specs and potential, lack of support shunned me away
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The exynos processor of the sgs2 is leaps and bounds better. Hands down. Sammy support is balls though. And terrible radios.
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+1 samsung epic ex-owner here, phone had great specs and potential, lack of support shunned me away
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But to be honest, if you are a member of XDA, it means that you very well know how XDA devs support dozens of phones and we don't depend on updates from the manufacturers as long as they release the source code. As long as XDA devs support the SGS2, I couldn't care less if Samsung updates it or not.
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But to be honest, if you are a member of XDA, it means that you very well know how XDA devs support dozens of phones and we don't depend on updates from the manufacturers as long as they release the source code. As long as XDA devs support the SGS2, I couldn't care less if Samsung updates it or not.
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Thank you!
I don't understand why people are so concerned with sammys support when we're all going to flash ROMs as soon as possible...
As far as benchmarks:
anandtech.com/show/4179/ti-omap4-and-lg-optimus-3d-tested
They seem to be pretty evenly matched. I would side with tegra because its more well established with greater dev support but I've not really seen that to be the case... yet. Outside of Tegrazone anyway
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Thank you!
I don't understand why people are so concerned with sammys support when we're all going to flash ROMs as soon as possible...
As far as benchmarks:
anandtech.com/show/4179/ti-omap4-and-lg-optimus-3d-tested
They seem to be pretty evenly matched. I would side with tegra because its more well established with greater dev support but I've not really seen that to be the case... yet. Outside of Tegrazone anyway
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Sammy updates are still kind of important. Look at the epic with the gps issues. That phone had a crippled gps until it was updated. Not saying that the sg2 will have those issues, just stating that there are some things that not even our devs can fix.
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But to be honest, if you are a member of XDA, it means that you very well know how XDA devs support dozens of phones and we don't depend on updates from the manufacturers as long as they release the source code. As long as XDA devs support the SGS2, I couldn't care less if Samsung updates it or not.
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Because with the samsung epic, gb was never officially released so no kernel source code. So devs can't do much other than tweaks. No cm6 no cm7, just leaks after leaks.
Just wondering if were gonna be getting more devs to cook up some roms for this phone.. I use to have a sensation and that forum is full of devs. Anyone devs cooking roms?... I would like cyanogen, I love me some aosp.
The development is picking up and we already have three devs and someone making a theme. Not to mention faux is putting together a custom kernel. Be patient It's only been a month.
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Working on aosp Ics not a overnight project sorry
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Quality > quantity
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Quality > quantity
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Sure is. Better safe than sorry.
I've been wanting to get into development for a while, but since I've had a Vibrant since before it was popular, and they have fallen out of style, it wasn't the device I wanted to really work with.
That said, I hope to be buying an Amaze today, and if I can figure out a good starting point(after I get comfortable with the differences in the flashing process), I'd be interested in learning.
The biggest appeal of the Amaze is that it is a BEAST. Hardware wise this thing will hold its own for a long time to come, should be fully capable of running whatever the future throws at it. I noticed a big part of development is the popularity of the device, this phone is new, and it is obviously popular.. it will get plenty of development I'm sure, just be patient!
Edit: One of the most important things I see about the amaze(development wise), developers won't have to work around a lack of features like they did the Vibrant. Color-fixes, enabling a notification light, getting gps to work-- there were tons of things they had to try to overcome rather than just make a solid, stable, feature filled rom. The amaze doesn't sound like it will have these issues.
Patience my friend. We just built the Dojo, and we're now filling it with some wicked devs. The only thing X isn't working on is a froyo ROM... which I am not above requesting just to see if anything can rattle the guy
Everything is good, we have Revolution.
Lacking S-OFF doesn't help bring devs into a device.
X has made some awesome roms. very very thankful
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Everything is good, we have Revolution.
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Lacking S-OFF doesn't help bring devs into a device.
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But we could still flash roms... unless developers like to make their own radios and bootloaders... doubt it.
I am holding off because I would prefer to get full s-off rather than leave myself stuck with just HTC unlock.
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I am holding off because I would prefer to get full s-off rather than leave myself stuck with just HTC unlock.
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I have a NS4G, and am switching from Sprint so I'll need a new phone. I'm looking into either the Amaze 4G, Sensation, or Galaxy S II. I want a phone that has a good developer community, as the two previous phones I had were fairly active in that regard.
I saw that the Amaze 4G Dev forum is looking like all the roms are Sense based. Is this an temporary thing or is the dev support just not there? (Or is the phone locked down enough to make it difficult?)
Anyway I would greatly appreciate some I put on this!
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Go for the sensation. I have a galaxy s two and the amaze and the dev community is almost non existent. Had a sensation and they got lots of stuff over there.
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Hello, I am new to the forum but do have the HTC Amaze 4G. While HTC does provide the tools for unlocking the bootloader, they do not allow for S-OFF (Security OFF). And it is because of this (for the most part) that developing for the HTC Amaze is limited ATM.
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I have a NS4G, and am switching from Sprint so I'll need a new phone. I'm looking into either the Amaze 4G, Sensation, or Galaxy S II. I want a phone that has a good developer community, as the two previous phones I had were fairly active in that regard.
I saw that the Amaze 4G Dev forum is looking like all the roms are Sense based. Is this an temporary thing or is the dev support just not there? (Or is the phone locked down enough to make it difficult?)
Anyway I would greatly appreciate some I put on this!
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the amaze is not for u then.
mrmylanman said:
I have a NS4G, and am switching from Sprint so I'll need a new phone. I'm looking into either the Amaze 4G, Sensation, or Galaxy S II. I want a phone that has a good developer community, as the two previous phones I had were fairly active in that regard.
I saw that the Amaze 4G Dev forum is looking like all the roms are Sense based. Is this an temporary thing or is the dev support just not there? (Or is the phone locked down enough to make it difficult?)
Anyway I would greatly appreciate some I put on this!
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Temp - hopefully.
Dev support - we only have one developer that actually has the phone. To top it off he's only 16 and still in high school.
We have the source but not the entire kernel source (thanks to HTC and their technicalities)
Still don't have s-off so we can't flash kernels via recovery thus makes flashing roms that much more difficult.
So if you want a good phone to use as a daily driver and don't care about tweaking and boosting... this is the phone for you!
If you immediately want fully working ICS, Sense 3.5, CM9, AOSP, etc then go with another device.
Do we see this happening in the future? If more developers were to pickup the device then maybe. But not anytime soon.
Bottom line if you want a device that has a HUGE selection of roms that you can do pretty much anything with... this isn't the phone for you. Not yet anyway.
Anyone know if there's any word on whether S-Off is coming? I thought I heard HTC announcing the days of S-On being forced are over.
I'd rather get the better phone. Hope that dev support comes.
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Agreed with Binary.
From what you've posted this doesn't sound like the phone that will suit you. However, in the long-run it could suit you better maybe?
I doubt this forum will ever pick up. Most people who wanted a phone like this bought the sensation, and this phone is not a big enough of an upgrade from that. So most will just wait till the next gen.
Thanks for the responses. I think I am going to go with the Amaze after all, and deal with Sense. Apparently it'll get ICS at some point regardless, which will be nice. I am pretty good with Linux so I might work on my own development if I get some free time (going back to college to finish up my bachelors degree so I'm not so sure about that part).
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I doubt this forum will ever pick up. Most people who wanted a phone like this bought the sensation, and this phone is not a big enough of an upgrade from that. So most will just wait till the next gen.
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I definitely agree. Everyone that I know that bought this phone after having the Sensation ended up having buyers remorse. The phones seem very similiar to eachother and we all expected them to be pretty much the same. However we later found out that they are nothing alike on the inside. Different partitions, different software, different securities, etc. This phone is actually kind of a PITA for developers despite how HTC claims to be "developer friendly" and all that other nonsense.
If you stick with the Amaze then try beast, its pretty damn close to AOSP, or at least as close as we can have for now
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I definitely agree. Everyone that I know that bought this phone after having the Sensation ended up having buyers remorse. The phones seem very similiar to eachother and we all expected them to be pretty much the same. However we later found out that they are nothing alike on the inside. Different partitions, different software, different securities, etc. This phone is actually kind of a PITA for developers despite how HTC claims to be "developer friendly" and all that other nonsense.
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This is the first phone where I had to use the htc unlocking method and am SHOCKED that is not as open as they made it out to be. Keeping s on? What the hell was the point then? I can see where it would benefit developers, but as far as supporting xda type communities, its an epic fail while giving us false hope in all those press releases how they "heard" the enthusiast community and wanted to be more open.
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i hated always have 150mb of RAM or lower, but your ns4g has 2xxmb less so you are probably used to it.
Yeah I have been less of an enthusiast lately since the dev community sorta dried up on the NS4G the past couple weeks.
Its fine. I have less free time now than I used to anyway
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well i think we will be getting aosp ics with the team of people im working with its just a matter of when
xboarder56 said:
well i think we will be getting aosp ics with the team of people im working with its just a matter of when
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as borat would say:
high five!!!! i like!!!
xboarder56 said:
well i think we will be getting aosp ics with the team of people im working with its just a matter of when
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqf1BmN4Dag&feature=related
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqf1BmN4Dag&feature=related
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hahaha
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xboarder56 said:
well i think we will be getting aosp ics with the team of people im working with its just a matter of when
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Excellent news! I saw that almost all the active development threads are by you, you're keeping mighty busy it seems! Looks like a lot of work, that's really cool of you.
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Excellent news! I saw that almost all the active development threads are by you, you're keeping mighty busy it seems! Looks like a lot of work, that's really cool of you.
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That would be because he's the only developer that has the phone.
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I know we don't have any ICS kernel sources yet but do you think we will get ICS before this August?
I thought I read somewhere that we were getting it in the next month or two. I would assume we would have a good working ICS port at the least in the next month or two. Can't speak for the devs here, but I thought that's what we were looking at. As for when ATT will push it out, that could be forever...I hate how long they take, but oh well.
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I know we don't have any ICS kernel sources yet but do you think we will get ICS before this August?
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do you think the cubs will win the world series this year? not likely but how will we know the answer either of these questions without official word...
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I thought I read somewhere that we were getting it in the next month or two. I would assume we would have a good working ICS port at the least in the next month or two. Can't speak for the devs here, but I thought that's what we were looking at. As for when ATT will push it out, that could be forever...I hate how long they take, but oh well.
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No, you're thinking about the i9100, not the i777
I'm sorry but just go and get a galaxy nexus ...no matter how good those roms are for all the other phones....there's no full ics google experience guaranteed on them other phones.....that's in my opinion
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I'm sorry but just go and get a galaxy nexus ...no matter how good those roms are for all the other phones....there's no full ics google experience guaranteed on them other phones.....that's in my opinion
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The only thing you're gaining by going to the Galaxy Nexus is a better screen and NFC. I dont understand why people switch phones over Android versions.
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i'm a noob, but
Didn't I just read that if you remove the AT&T logo, you get ics automatically?
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The only thing you're gaining by going to the Galaxy Nexus is a better screen and NFC. I dont understand why people switch phones over Android versions.
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Having used ICS on the captivate, it truly is an update worth switching devices for. However, I'm pretty happy with the I777 so I will just wait. Android updates that were actually really good: Froyo, Honeycomb, and ICS. The rest were just hyped too damn much and gingerbread is the worst of all of them (imho).
Wow. Use the sticky thread.
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The only thing you're gaining by going to the Galaxy Nexus is a better screen and NFC. I dont understand why people switch phones over Android versions.
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For one, it's not just ICS when Jellybean comes out, you're going to get it much quicker than anyone else. And also, it's the purest form of the Android version minus any bloatware each manufacturer puts on the phone, which can be either a pro or a con, but overall, the bloatware has been a con in the past.
IMO, Gingerbread was a very good update, Froyo didn't seem that special when I finally got it for my S7. The biggest improvement was non-broken radio firmware, which had nothing to do with Android version.
Gingerbread had significant power management improvements.
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Didn't I just read that if you remove the AT&T logo, you get ics automatically?
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Im still trying to rub it off!
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Tired of waiting!!!!
I love and appreciate all the work that the Devs have done for our phone, but if we don't get ICS soon I will be leaving this phone. A lot of my friends have phones with ICS roms and it is such a improvement over GB. I don't understand how one and two year old phones have ICS and Samsung won't allow us to have it. It is ridiculous.
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I love and appreciate all the work that the Devs have done for our phone, but if we don't get ICS soon I will be leaving this phone. A lot of my friends have phones with ICS roms and it is such a improvement over GB. I don't understand how one and two year old phones have ICS and Samsung won't allow us to have it. It is ridiculous.
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I mean I understand sorta, but it doesn't help to threaten the devs that if they don't do what you want you will leave. Tbh, I don't think any dev really cares.
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I mean I understand sorta, but it doesn't help to threaten the devs that if they don't do what you want you will leave. Tbh, I don't think any dev really cares.
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I am not threatening the devs at all. I am sick of Samsung not the devs. Read a little more careful next time.
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I love and appreciate all the work that the Devs have done for our phone, but if we don't get ICS soon I will be leaving this phone. A lot of my friends have phones with ICS roms and it is such a improvement over GB. I don't understand how one and two year old phones have ICS and Samsung won't allow us to have it. It is ridiculous.
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I keep hearing about source being released within the next month, just wait it out
Nick281051 said:
I keep hearing about source being released within the next month, just wait it out
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I am really trying!!!
chadrick.7 said:
I love and appreciate all the work that the Devs have done for our phone, but if we don't get ICS soon I will be leaving this phone. A lot of my friends have phones with ICS roms and it is such a improvement over GB. I don't understand how one and two year old phones have ICS and Samsung won't allow us to have it. It is ridiculous.
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What the hell is your problem? Name one phone other than the Nexus line that has received ICS officially.
HTC hasn't released any updates yet.
Motorola hasn't released any updates yet.
Sony has only released betas (I applaud them for putting out prereleases)
Asus has only pushed it to one tablet (easier to port HC tablets due to HC being a newer codebase and not having to deal with the RIL) and that was an utter disaster
So far, my experience with ICS is that it's not an improvement over Gingerbread. I haven't been able to see any significant positive improvement - some parts of the UI are a bit shinier, but the gapps user interface is clunker than it was in GB. ICS has some good improvements on tablets, but for phones - not so nice.
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What the hell is your problem? Name one phone other than the Nexus line that has received ICS officially.
HTC hasn't released any updates yet.
Motorola hasn't released any updates yet.
Sony has only released betas (I applaud them for putting out prereleases)
Asus has only pushed it to one tablet (easier to port HC tablets due to HC being a newer codebase and not having to deal with the RIL) and that was an utter disaster
So far, my experience with ICS is that it's not an improvement over Gingerbread. I haven't been able to see any significant positive improvement - some parts of the UI are a bit shinier, but the gapps user interface is clunker than it was in GB. ICS has some good improvements on tablets, but for phones - not so nice.
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First of all I said that I APPRECIATE the devs!!!! And I never said that the roms were official. Almost all HTC and LG phones have ICS roms. I left t-mobile with the htc sensation and believe me that phone runs 300% better now that it is running ICS. And by the way Entropy it is no disrespect to any dev by what I said, I am rocking your Kernel right now (Excellent job). I am pissed at Samsung and them only. Our phone is supposed to be a flagship phone so what the hell is the holdup?
If you can't wait then just go get the G Nexus. These questions have been brought up and beaten to death. Just don't be surprised when Ics finally drops for our device and our Roms are superior than most. GS2 surely has the hardware to run prety much anything smoothly and dev community is strong here
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This thread is useless. Now on to something more important. When will we get jelly bean? I can't wait.
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I was just curious, 3.6 looks pretty much the same as 3.0. Little disappointed, I feel that 4.0.3 can't shine through the sense theme. I installed CM9 on my buddy's Sensation and it looks fantastic.
We will only see it if a developer falls from the sky and shines us with it.
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We will only see it if a developer falls from the sky and shines us with it.
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I start praying to the dev gods now!
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Claims that they (HTC, T-Mobile, anyone) don't want to "disrupt" our user experience with 3.0 on the Amaze are BS, IMHO. Problems with Sense 3.0 do NOT need to be continued ... and the enhancements due with Sense 4.0 are, I think, owed us. I bought this phone specifically because an ICS update in 2012 had already been promised.
I want landscape home screens. I want Car Mode restored. I want a better Dock Mode.
If ICS arrives with same ol' Sense overlay, and the problems I've had with three handsets not fixed, I may not even update.
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Claims that they (HTC, T-Mobile, anyone) don't want to "disrupt" our user experience with 3.0 on the Amaze are BS, IMHO. Problems with Sense 3.0 do NOT need to be continued ... and the enhancements due with Sense 4.0 are, I think, owed us. I bought this phone specifically because an ICS update in 2012 had already been promised.
I want landscape home screens. I want Car Mode restored. I want a better Dock Mode.
If ICS arrives with same ol' Sense overlay, and the problems I've had with three handsets not fixed, I may not even update.
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HTC said sense 4 was built for s4/tegra 3.
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Drzfr3shboialex said:
HTC said sense 4 was built for s4/tegra 3.
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Everything in the Sensation Forums is possible in our phone
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Everything in the Sensation Forums is possible in our phone
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Yeah but it doesn't seem like we have anybody driven to port Sense 4.0. Tis a shame because it seems like it really improved on a lot of weak points that exist in all current Sense UI versions prior to 4.0.
dharvey4651 said:
Yeah but it doesn't seem like we have anybody driven to port Sense 4.0. Tis a shame because it seems like it really improved on a lot of weak points that exist in all current Sense UI versions prior to 4.0.
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I'm gonna take a crack at it possibly... I just want to get my phone activation straight first. (Tmobile sent me a invalid activation code with my sim card)
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Drzfr3shboialex said:
HTC said sense 4 was built for s4/tegra 3.
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hmmm what about the one v, its sporting an s2 and seems to run sense 4.0 fluidly.
then again it doesn't include almost any of the animations but still something to be considered.
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HTC said sense 4 was built for s4/tegra 3.
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That's even more bull****, industrial strength. The Snapdragon processor in the Amaze is certainly up to to the job. You've probably heard that the AT&T One X will have an S4, which isn't too different from the S3 in the Amaze.
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That's even more bull****, industrial strength. The Snapdragon processor in the Amaze is certainly up to to the job. You've probably heard that the AT&T One X will have an S4, which isn't too different from the S3 in the Amaze.
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S4 not different from s3??????? I'd Google that. It has very significant improvements! Even at the same core # and clock speed.