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Let me first state that I AM NOT decrying the needs of Athena owners, nor am I suggesting they shouldn't own one. Everyone has different devices to fit different needs, HOWEVER in the course of heated debate on these forums people have frequently stated that their Athena is MORE THAN CAPABLE of playing video, without optimisation which neither skips, jumps or loses sync. I owned two and over the course of nearly nine months NEVER managed to get a high quality, non-optimised video to display solidly without losing sync.
What I ask is for people to describe a high quality (700mb+) Divx or Xvid file that their Athena can play fluidly and without losing sync, and for the sake of credibility upload a video of this in action. When I get chance later today I will upload a video of an N95 playing a full-size divx movie - I will demonstrate the video size and specifics, show the device playing it whilst multitasking and demonstrate fast-forwarding, pausing and playing and how this affects lip-sync and general playback quality.
Let me re-iterate that I understand that the N95 is not a competitor to the Athena and that for the most part it is unsuited to the needs of people on these forums; but if you're going to state that your video performance is good I'd appreciate if you could prove it! It is after all a powerful machine with loads more RAM and processing power than the humble N95.
Just a bit of fun.
EDIT: DISREGARD THE 'BUT DISAPPOINTING' ASPECT OF THE 3RD QUESTION WHEN VOTING AS I WILL ADMIT IT SOUNDS BIASED
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Here we go again and this time i didnt start it
Voted for second option, "can play most things well". I'll try and demonstrate that tonight, hopefully.
hey i think i've been very fair with my questions
Well... Didn't want to point it out, but in all fairness, the "but disappointing" should be removed or brought to the option below.
For one can find the Athena's video performance average and NOT be disappointed...
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Well... Didn't want to point it out, but in all fairness, the "but disappointing" should be removed or brought to the option below.
For one can find the Athena's video performance average and NOT be disappointed...
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Fair point. If you can tell me how to remove the 'but disappointing' bit from the poll I will, otherwise we'll imagine the 'but disappointing' bit doesn't exist for the purposes of the poll...
Here's my video. If it's out of sync please report as I've had this problem before and didn't have chance to check the upload before I left the house. Cheers.
I can't say that I'm impressed by the video performance of the athena because it's my largest problem eversince I got it last week especially in 128 dpi settings. I'm neither in the position to say that I'm disappointed also because I really haven't had the chance to play with it that long. I would have to vote later. I appreciate though these types of threads because it forces people to look for ways to either extend their capabilities in trying to know and teach what they can do with their athena to prove that it's a really good machine or to simply shoot down the opinion of others. Suffice it to say that it may bring out the best of the athena or bring it down to te gutter. The best part is that people get to choose base on their best judgement who to believe and which opinion to discard.
Any performance videos yet?
I genuinely would like to know if the claims about video performance being good are true, I'm not trying to catch anyone out
Sorry, I did'nt see the word UNCONVERTED and picked A. I guess it should have been a B. But why would anybody play it unconverted? The files are just far too big unconverted, isn't it? Also, it would carry so much useless information designed for home theatre systems at least, that it would literally chock any small device movie player to dealth. What I do play include a 900MB movie which is crystal clear, does not skip at all, and never have any out of sync problem. But I'm not sure if it has gone through conversion, as I downloaded it from the net.
If I want a home theatre movie quality experience, I'd not use Athena to do it. I'll use my home theatre system.
Would you play movies unconverted on say a viewty or N95?
Midget, could you transfer my vote from A to B?
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If I want a home theatre movie quality experience, I'd not use Athena to do it. I'll use my home theatre system.
Would you play movies unconverted on say a viewty or N95?
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quite to the point ha?
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Sorry, I did'nt see the word UNCONVERTED and picked A. I guess it should have been a B. But why would anybody play it unconverted? The files are just far too big unconverted, isn't it? Also, it would carry so much useless information designed for home theatre systems at least, that it would literally chock any small device movie player to dealth. What I do play include a 900MB movie which is crystal clear, does not skip at all, and never have any out of sync problem. But I'm not sure if it has gone through conversion, as I downloaded it from the net.
If I want a home theatre movie quality experience, I'd not use Athena to do it. I'll use my home theatre system.
Would you play movies unconverted on say a viewty or N95?
Midget, could you transfer my vote from A to B?
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My wording is a little off-kilter. When I say 'unconverted' I mean 'not specifically optimised for the device' I.E. the sort of file you'd download/play on your desktop. Sorry for the equivocal wordage peeps!
I never convert any movies that I download, so that qualifies as unconverted then?
I hav to jump in here. The resolution or aspect ratio of your movie file along with the audio coding was low. If I had those settings on a movie and played on the Athena, it would be no problem. I convert almost all my movies using DVD Catalyst and I ensure it is at 30 fps, audio is at 192, the max I can get it and the picture adjustment is at 1100. I have very few problems when I play those on my athena. If I could get the file you have I would love to cross compare, because that video shouldn't choke the Athena at all. At least in my experience using core player.
Then again, this is just my two cents.
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I never convert any movies that I download, so that qualifies as unconverted then?
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yes it does! when you get chance to upload a video showing the quality please do. I'm suprised if your Athena can handle them without either displaying linear patterns during fast scenes, losing sync or stopping and starting. If it can then I will capitulate and say you are a lucky so-and-so!
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I hav to jump in here. The resolution or aspect ratio of your movie file along with the audio coding was low. If I had those settings on a movie and played on the Athena, it would be no problem. I convert almost all my movies using DVD Catalyst and I ensure it is at 30 fps, audio is at 192, the max I can get it and the picture adjustment is at 1100. I have very few problems when I play those on my athena. If I could get the file you have I would love to cross compare, because that video shouldn't choke the Athena at all. At least in my experience using core player.
Then again, this is just my two cents.
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i chose that video because it is one i had problems with on my athena.
EVERYONE TRY THIS SHORT VIDEO AND REPORT BACK ON THE PLAYBACK QUALITY. I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BEST TO HAVE A STANDARD FILE TO TEST OUT THAT'S SMALL ENOUGH TO UPLOAD. It's just a video of my dog recorded on my N95 at tv quality. It is a 640 by 480 resolution video which should be a good ratio for the Athena. I haven't modified it in any way. Let me know what results you all get.
Cheers
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yes it does! when you get chance to upload a video showing the quality please do. I'm suprised if your Athena can handle them without either displaying linear patterns during fast scenes, losing sync or stopping and starting. If it can then I will capitulate and say you are a lucky so-and-so!
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In that case, I'd keep my A rating for the time being because until now I still don't understnad the issue.
I'd test your sample file and provide feedback. There must be something that I've missed I guess. Yes, perhaps I have been real lucky.
I've downloaded it to my desktop runing Vista and want to try it here first. But could'nt play it media player. Do you need to convert it before it can play there too? What program do you use to play it on desktop?
On my device, it says "MPEC4 AAC Audio Decoder not included! It was removed from the official install package because of intellectual property considerations." (strange. I never had this error before)
Is this the kind of problem you're referring to Leoni?
Oh wait, although it has the above error message, the video plays perfectly! I get very sharp image. The camera itself jerks a bit I think during shooting but the playback is smooth.
No sound though. Is there supposed to be sound?
Cute little doggy! Is that your dog?
So, to sum up, for me. It works without conversion on my Athena but not on my Vista desktop.
The issue is that Video playback is an issue with the Athena (and other devices) yet some people insist theirs work fine. If there is no problem then I wonder why threads like this this this this and this among many others exist? (oh, and this!)
Many moons ago I thought I'd solved the problem bu it must've been a lucky video file as a couple of days later I tried a different downloaded movie and back I was to the 'flickery' pictures and loss of sync.
I just wish there was an answer that worked for everyone.
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I've downloaded it to my desktop runing Vista and want to try it here first. But could'nt play it media player. Do you need to convert it before it can play there too? What program do you use to play it on desktop?
On my device, it says "MPEC4 AAC Audio Decoder not included! It was removed from the official install package because of intellectual property considerations."
Is this the kind of problem you're referring to Leoni?
Oh wait, although it has the above error message, the video plays perfectly! I get very sharp image. The camera itself jerks a bit I think during shooting but the playout is smooth.
No sound though. Is there supposed to be sound?
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Yes it's my doggywoggy. I use VLC. It's freeware - try it on that to give you an idea of how it should look. The TCPMP extras you need for playback of that file are in PK's extras package just in case you want to get em.
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Hi,
Thinking of buying a hero...
Is it possible to play full size movie AVIs (700Mb, etc) without lag, without having to resize them to a smaller resolution?
I find that resizing them is such a hassle. Currently using a touch dual, and when that was initially released I couldnt play it unless resized. Felt pretty ripped off. Only when upgrade to wm6.5 came out, I could play em. My old HTC Magician handled them much better.
Anyway... just wanted to ask if anyone has tried it... before I buy another dud phone.
Thanks!
Surely I can't be the only person who cares about watching movies on my phone while travelling?
I am sure you are not, but most people resize them.....
not tried anything on the hero yet, as i only got mine yesterday, and wasn't goping to buy any apps for the one i borrowed from work!
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Is it possible to play full size movie AVIs (700Mb, etc)
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AVI is a container and not a codec.
Like all mobile devices (correct me if I'm wrong), there is no h264 b-frame support. Transcoding is your friend. How hard is it to transcode all movies in a directory; Thats just one command line away, geez.
yeah its just one more thing needed to do.
each to their own i guess... but I'm the sort of person who likes to take as little steps / effort as possible to do something. ie searching for a contact and calling them... i'd like to know that I can call them with a few keypresses and done... rather than having to search through a whole list of names and finding the contact.
Also, I prefer to be able to keep files in the format I got them so I can transfer them to another machine if I need to, rather than have a resized file that is only of use to the phone.
Not too sure about the terminology (h264 b frame support) you used, but I had no trouble playing full sized rips on my HTC Magician from 5 years ago. But had trouble with the HTC Nike initially until one year later when I upgraded it to WM6.1.
Anyway, if anyone has had the chance to try it out... let me know thanks =)
I have resized and played on the hero with no issues. I have seen that in a review that it could skip if not resized. I would resize to the heros resolution
It might work better if the aspect ratio is the same, but by the time you do that you could be resizing.
What player are you using?
Thanks
I had some issues getting it to recognise some media formats, but got around by using ImTOO encoding software and used one of the preset profiles which recoded and resized to 320x480.
use handbrake, its so easy.
Second for handbrake. As far as I can tell from my testing, it doesn't like DivX files. It does like MP4 files, with meridian especially. A two hour file took about 20 minutes to transcode straight to the Hero, on my not-particularly amazing tri-core 3ghz phenom. Quality was excellent.
I'd say queue up a list in Handbrake and leave it running overnight.
I used to use fullsize avi's on my diamond but as yet I've not found a decent player on android so I've made the switch to converting to avi's at a fairly large picture size (I forget the exact ratio) & it plays fine in the native video player.
A bit bummed that I have to convert them but it works I guess
Anyone heard if Corecodec are planning to make an android version of Coreplayer? If that's on it's way, it would likely be the first thing i buy from the market....!
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Anyone heard if Corecodec are planning to make an android version of Coreplayer? If that's on it's way, it would likely be the first thing i buy from the market....!
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I'm with you on that
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Anyone heard if Corecodec are planning to make an android version of Coreplayer? If that's on it's way, it would likely be the first thing i buy from the market....!
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Been looking into that too...
Seems like they intend to, but are hindered by things out of their control (lack of Qualcomm drivers from HTC). Sounds like the same issue with my HTC Touch Dual when I initially got it.
From their forum...
http://forum.corecodec.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1327&hilit=android
Hopefully wont be too long before
Anyone happen to know what the bitrate/settings are of the preloaded Avatar movie? I'm trying to convert my bluray 720p down to a 480x800 friendly size, but it keeps looking like crap. Or, it'll look great, but end up being about 3.5gbs. I played with a Vibrant at the T-Mobile store and the copy of Avatar was crystal clear.
I gave up and ordered a 16gb class 6 micro sd card. Problem solved!
Though, if anyone does happen to find out the details, I'd still love to know.
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Anyone happen to know what the bitrate/settings are of the preloaded Avatar movie? I'm trying to convert my bluray 720p down to a 480x800 friendly size, but it keeps looking like crap. Or, it'll look great, but end up being about 3.5gbs. I played with a Vibrant at the T-Mobile store and the copy of Avatar was crystal clear.
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What are you using to encode? I personally use RipBot with a variable bitrate. I set the encoder to mp4/avc (h.264), res to 800x480,and the average bitrate to 1500. These videos have looked excellent for me and should be more than enough.
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What are you using to encode? I personally use RipBot with a variable bitrate. I set the encoder to mp4/avc (h.264), res to 800x480,and the average bitrate to 1500. These videos have looked excellent for me and should be more than enough.
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Awesome, I'll try it out. I'm using Any Video Converter free.
Xilisoft Video Converter has been good to me over the past two or three years. It converted from DVD to a format my iPhone would read. Now all the movies I buy mostly have a digital copy so I don't use the software as much any more. My Vibrant plays back everything (MP4/DivX/WMV/H.264/H.263)that plays on the iPhone so no need to convert either.
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Xilisoft Video Converter has been good to me over the past two or three years. It converted from DVD to a format my iPhone would read. Now all the movies I buy mostly have a digital copy so I don't use the software as much any more. My Vibrant plays back everything (MP4/DivX/WMV/H.264/H.263)that plays on the iPhone so no need to convert either.
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How did you put a digital copy on your phone? I bought cop out on blu ray and it came with a digital copy and I just drag it onto my sd card then i try to play it and it says there is a license error or something like that.
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Xilisoft Video Converter has been good to me over the past two or three years. It converted from DVD to a format my iPhone would read. Now all the movies I buy mostly have a digital copy so I don't use the software as much any more. My Vibrant plays back everything (MP4/DivX/WMV/H.264/H.263)that plays on the iPhone so no need to convert either.
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I'm still using an N1, at the moment, so it forces me to convert my vids.
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How did you put a digital copy on your phone? I bought cop out on blu ray and it came with a digital copy and I just drag it onto my sd card then i try to play it and it says there is a license error or something like that.
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You can't use the digital that comes with it. Its meant for iDevices or Windows media devices. I just use Handbreak to convert my videos and use a custom preset with the resolution of the phone and an average bitrate of 1200 and its good.
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You can use the digital that comes with it. Its meant for iDevices or Windows media devices. I just use Handbreak to convert my videos and use a custom preset with the resolution of the phone and an average bitrate of 1200 and its good.
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I hope when you say resolution of the phone you mean 1280X720, because there is no reason to go any lower unless the original file was not HD.
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I hope when you say resolution of the phone you mean 1280X720, because there is no reason to go any lower unless the original file was not HD.
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When I say the resolution of the phone, I meant 480 x 800. Unless your gonna output to the TV via DLNA or a Micro USB to HDMI cable, there is no point to have a 720p.
As of right now I found no way to look at the stats for the avatar movie since its a protected file...except that it is around 1gb in size, so by that I'm assuming the bitrate is anywhere from 1500-2000 if that helps...and the size must just be the size of the phone 800x480
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As of right now I found no way to look at the stats for the avatar movie since its a protected file...except that it is around 1gb in size, so by that I'm assuming the bitrate is anywhere from 1500-2000 if that helps...and the size must just be the size of the phone 800x480
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I recoded a 4.13gb HD movie down to 2200 bitrate and it turned out 1.52gb... that was 1280x720 though. Avatar is (or should be) 800x480 so it may have a slightly higher bitrate... avatar.dcf is 1.40gb.
The included trailer is encoded at 1300ish kbits so its safe to assume that Avatar is also encoded at this rate.
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The included trailer is encoded at 1300ish kbits so its safe to assume that Avatar is also encoded at this rate.
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Then Samsung or whoever must've used a nice compression program, cause all the 1.5GB and under conversions of Avtar I've made look terrible.
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Then Samsung or whoever must've used a nice compression program, cause all the 1.5GB and under conversions of Avtar I've made look terrible.
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Are you using the h264 codec? Because mine look fine.
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Are you using the h264 codec? Because mine look fine.
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I agree. I can drop the bitrate to well under 1000 for a basic DVD rip and it still looks great.
Hm, that could be it. I'll double check.
Update: Yeah, I setup RipBot correctly this time and it came out perfect. Bitrate's about 1350kbps @23fps. 800x450. 1.6gb. I don't think I had the h264 mp4 option selected at the bottom the first time.
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Hm, that could be it. I'll double check.
Update: Yeah, I setup RipBot correctly this time and it came out perfect. Bitrate's about 1350kbps @23fps. 800x450. 1.6gb. I don't think I had the h264 mp4 option selected at the bottom the first time.
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Hello fellow Android Bros/ Sis!
I was searching through google and XDA and found myself here. I was really interested in the outcome of your video. My question is:
1) Was this video a conversion from a Blu Ray movie or a regular HD movie/ file?
2) What were your Audio Output settings?
Short History: I have both the Captivate and the Vibrant, and wanted to see if i could just use my Blu Ray Movie of Avatar to Rip and Convert for the Captivate since my Vibrant already has it. Plus i also wanted to be more familiar with Handbrake myself (have converted dozens of HD movies so far), but Blu Ray is an issue for me. As far as video, i can transcode no problem. Audio on the other hand, is either slow-distorted-muffled or no sound at all. Regardless of which audio codec i tried.
Thoughts?
WHAT UP, NICE avtar, HOW DID U PUT G.O.W IN YOUR PROFILE?
Avc is a horrible encoder. I had a crystal clear 1.5gig avatar file in aweird format that avc'ed and it came out with 200 megs in the ****tiest quality ever.
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I'm looking for advice on media players for the evo 3D - since I originally hoped it'd be a portable player to match the format compatibility of my HTPC. It looks like I was a little optimistic in that regard, primarily because I knew the chip was 1080P capable. My primary issue with blu-ray rips is that when using MoboPlayer and mVideoPlayer - I can usually get my 720P rips to play back video, but I lose the audio. I'm fairly certain that I'm using the unconverted blu-ray audio - and neither of these apps can handle the codec. Is there another app that can do this without having to convert?
I know how to convert the audio easily - but I was hoping for a drag and drop solution. I don't want to end up with large files for my HTPC and different ones for on-the-go use.
Besides that, 1080P videos would be hampered by Android's (or should I say FAT32's) inability to handle files above 4GB. I'd previously heard rumors that in the future Android would be able to able to access XFAT partitions and that might eliminate the file limitation - but I've heard nothing concrete. Anybody have any useful info on this topic?
I know that a certain amount of readers will ask why this is necessary in a portable device, but a lot of us look at these phones as a digital swiss army knife. To me, there's definitely the allure of potentially bringing just the phone and an HDMI cable to my girlfriend's house in order to share a bluray as opposed to bringing the bluray player, disc, cables, etc.
Well - the only partial solution I've found is the arcMedia media player. It supports a52 (AC3) audio, but unfortunately - the 720P video I threw at it played remarkably choppy. Totally unwatchable.
Doh - I guess I'm talking to myself. But in case someone else is reading this in hopes of a solution, I think I've figured out that MoboPlayer and one other media player I just found - can play the audio if I switch to software decoding. Unfortunately, if I do so - 720P video becomes unwatchable. HTC didn't give us surround sound codecs, which is disappointing.
The only possible solution or workaround would be if the video decoding could be handled separately from audio in one of these media players. But I'm not going to get my hopes up.
In the meantime, I guess I better get used to converting AC3 audio in my MKV's - and making sure none of my portable files are above 4 gigs.
Diceplayer!!!!!!!!!! Try it!!!!
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Diceplayer!!!!!!!!!! Try it!!!!
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OK - I tried IMPlayer+ and Vitalplayer based on recommendations I found elsewhere and neither worked as I'd hoped. Diceplayer however, appears to have done the trick! It's a $5 app, but I'm going to try it for 3 days and test it out first. Thank you very much for the recommendation.
The dev who wrote that software claims the Galaxy S2 is capable of 1080P MKV playback with AC3 audio. I'm going to see if I can track down a similar sample under 4 gigs to test on the Evo 3D. As of now - 720P is working beautifully.
Now there's just two more things that I'm hoping will happen to make this the perfect mobile HD video player:
1) Android somehow allowing a format that accepts files above 4gigs.
2) Actually being able to output 1080P to an external screen via HDMI. I'm sure we'll be able to HDMI mirror the screen, but the file's resolution will be lost in that case. Hopefully Diceplayer or another app will enable HD out.
I'm not holding my breath for either, but I can hope.
Just a couple thoughts. I encode all my videos to .mp4, at their native resolution (1080p for bd, or eve res for dvds). Using a bitrate between 1500-2000 will get u under 2GB for an entire movie and maintain video quality to near original.
As much as I'd like 5.1 surround sound, that really only matters if u can output it via hdmi. In ur case I understand the desire bc u have other media players.
I agree, HTC/android should include support for 5.1 audio, and additionally I feel .Mkv support
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Thanks for the comments! I just figured I'd chime in because I tried a Conan the Barbarian Trailer that was a 1080P MKV with AC3 audio.
Unfortunately, it didn't play smooth even with Diceplayer. Every 3 seconds, there was a little stutter. Which was disappointing, but understandable. I wonder if the Galaxy S2 can really play it better?
Otherwise, the E3D might get to that capability by a little overclocking and/or improved software in the future.
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Thanks for the comments! I just figured I'd chime in because I tried a Conan the Barbarian Trailer that was a 1080P MKV with AC3 audio.
Unfortunately, it didn't play smooth even with Diceplayer. Every 3 seconds, there was a little stutter. Which was disappointing, but understandable. I wonder if the Galaxy S2 can really play it better?
Otherwise, the E3D might get to that capability by a little overclocking and/or improved software in the future.
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update your diceplayer 1.4.2
Try QQ Player..
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QQ player doesn't play the file well at all - it appears not to use any hardware acceleration.
Unfortunately - the Diceplayer Trial Update (1.4.2) doesn't appear to improve things.
Someone who'd overclocked his E3D to 1.5ghz tested this file and STILL found it lagging on Diceplayer. Which is very disappointing. If anyone's curious, this is the sample I'm talking about:
http://www.movie-list.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27232
I was just hoping to get 1080P AC3 MKV playback.
I was just told on another thread that this 1080P file may not play well - only because of the speed of my card. This user claims that his phone with a class 10 microsdhc plays the Conan clip without lag. Apparently my phone (with the stock class 4) must not be able to create enough of a buffer to make up for the memory card's speed. I've got a class 10 memory card arriving tomorrow - and I'll report back then.
This is potentially great news.
I'm not sure if the new memory card played a role - but the latest version of Diceplayer 1.4.4 plays that 1080P MKV with AC3 audio with NO lag on the Evo 3D. I'm pretty happy right now. The only thing I'm hoping for in the future is that somehow we can play files over 4gb so we can actually take advantage of the 1080P capability of this phone.
Hello! I will be updating this thread on video playback capabilities of the Nexus 10, particularly on high-end resolution. The new software update is out and under testing at many sites, as well is it is shipping worldwide, so I'll try to share as many information about the multimedia capabilities of the Nexus 10 as possible, you can help out too. Discussion should cover
- full HD video playback performance, formats, framerates
- stock vs. 3rd party media player apps
- youtube and streaming at fullHD
- tweaks to optimize performance
Video performance test by italia0101
please visit his XDA thread for other excellent videos!
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Download this file and follow instructions here (thx olis4)
YouTube 2600k sample:
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HI10P 720p sample file: http://hotfile.com/dl/148950242/e652ee9/
HI10P 1080p sample file: http://android.tnonline.net/Software/Video/Hi10P Software/hotd-op-1080p-hi10p.mkv
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Still on pre-release, but AndroidCentral points out that background tasks and fullHD video cause some lags, killing those tasks makes it smooth. For me to be able to play properly coded videos water tight on a $500 device is essential, if it fails to do so I have little reason to prefer this over the Nexus7. We shall see results soon.
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Still on pre-release, but AndroidCentral points out that background tasks and fullHD video cause some lags, killing those tasks makes it smooth. For me to be able to play properly coded videos water tight on a $500 device is essential, if it fails to do so I have little reason to prefer this over the Nexus7. We shall see results soon.
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Yeah this kinda does worry me, as a big part of why i'm looking at this is to play movies while a travel, he does say its only with HD rips of blue rays, but would be nice to see if it does it with HD movies downloaded via the playstore etc.
might have to wait to see what happens when people get it in their hands.
Of course there are some 2600k videos too to get the maximum out of the Nexus 10, mostly gaming. Anyone with hands on the device should check this out:
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Of course there are some 2600k videos too to get the maximum out of the Nexus 10, mostly gaming. Anyone with hands on the device should check this out:
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well hopefully this isn't going to be a result of google having to beat the retina, if thats the case then i'd much more want a screen of the 1920x1080 res that is really good, and that the processor isn't running at 100% trying to run.
I'll post some 2560x1440 (not upscaled) clips shortly for folks to check out their new toys, along with same clips in 1080p BD bitrates (35Mbps) for comparison testing.
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I'll post some 2560x1440 (not upscaled) clips shortly for folks to check out their new toys, along with same clips in 1080p BD bitrates (35Mbps) for comparison testing.
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The reviewer said he was trying it on ripped blue rays, does that mean it would be playing a video on 1920x1080 and stretching the image? standard blue ray def is 1920x1080 right?
BoneXDA said:
Still on pre-release, but AndroidCentral points out that background tasks and fullHD video cause some lags, killing those tasks makes it smooth. For me to be able to play properly coded videos water tight on a $500 device is essential, if it fails to do so I have little reason to prefer this over the Nexus7. We shall see results soon.
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He said he was downloading things in the back. I think a lot of devices lag when you're downloading things.
>The reviewer said he was trying it on ripped blue rays, does that mean it would be playing a video on 1920x1080 and stretching the image? standard blue ray def is 1920x1080 right?
Original BD is 1920x1080 with avg bitrates of 30-35Mbps. Rips can keep the 1080p res or be downscaled, but bitrates are inevitably lower (for smaller size) as they're intended to be downloaded.
Many devices now can handle 1080p of the "rip" (lowered bitrate) variety, but fewer can smoothly play "remuxed" (original BD bitrate) 1080p content. So to say that a device can playback 1080p is relatively meaningless unless the bitrate is specified. Anything from Youtube would not be a good test, since YT stuff are highly compressed (very low bitrate relative to resolution), and fidelity is substantially compromised.
My expectation is that N10 should handle "normal" 1080p rips (10Mbps), given it's the latest-gen SoC, and that video playback is a staple use. I'm more curious about performance with BD-bitrate content, and 1440p content, hence the pending clip uploads. Admittedly, these would be more for curiosity's sake than for practical use--there is no 1440p content, and BD ISOs won't fit through wifi pipes, HT40 or no.
Subscribing as videos are the #1 thing I use tablets for. There was one video posted in the general section last week that takes advantage of the N10's resolution. A quick browse back a few pages and you'll find it in one of the threads talking about the screen
Playing back laggy HD video is a major concern. Not that I would watch movies on it myself but the last thing Google and Samsung needs is more ammo against them. This being the only somewhat major issue though, unlike the fake issues like no SD, plastic construction, and tablet specific apps(the ipad ones really are not that much better than the iphone ones, except games with HD in the title).
That said, my core 2 duo chugs during some streams so i am guessing if it chugs on the PC, Nexus 7, ipad 4, tf700, it will chug on the Nexus 10 and everything else that isn't an i7.
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Playing back laggy HD video is a major concern. Not that I would watch movies on it myself but the last thing Google and Samsung needs is more ammo against them. This being the only somewhat major issue though, unlike the fake issues like no SD, plastic construction, and tablet specific apps(the ipad ones really are not that much better than the iphone ones, except games with HD in the title).
That said, my core 2 duo chugs during some streams so i am guessing if it chugs on the PC, Nexus 7, ipad 4, tf700, it will chug on the Nexus 10 and everything else that isn't an i7.
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What kind of streams are you running against your C2D? I find it hard to believe it's choking on even 1080p 24+ bit-rate streams. Are you on some ancient video card that doesn't have acceleration, thereby forcing your CPU to brute-force the decode?
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What kind of streams are you running against your C2D? I find it hard to believe it's choking on even 1080p 24+ bit-rate streams. Are you on some ancient video card that doesn't have acceleration, thereby forcing your CPU to brute-force the decode?
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My guess it has something to do with my home group connection or wifi connection in general. Playback through a USB drive or internal storage never chugs though. Although some files still have artifacting.
I would be interested in knowing if this can play 10bit MKV files.
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I would be interested in knowing if this can play 10bit MKV files.
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Good lord. So do I.
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Still on pre-release, but AndroidCentral points out that background tasks and fullHD video cause some lags, killing those tasks makes it smooth. For me to be able to play properly coded videos water tight on a $500 device is essential, if it fails to do so I have little reason to prefer this over the Nexus7. We shall see results soon.
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There are many tweaks that can be used to slim down a loaded system, but regarding games & videos, I would set the heapsize to 512m, to start. The next place I would look is swappiness. Usually when running one big app and not task switching, you'd want to increase this so that other processes are cached to virtual memory, freeing ram for your main process. With 2gb ram, though, the opposite might be better, as some apps will periodically wake to check for email, news, chats, etc. In this case I think it would be better to keep those processes in ram so that they don't cause a hit to disk to wake from virtual memory.
In other words, I would definitely try tweaking swappiness, but I don't know which way would be better. I'm going to sub this thread; please post whatever results you experience.
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I would be interested in knowing if this can play 10bit MKV files.
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I'd never heard of a 10bit MKV until you brought it up. So I downloaded a sample to see it.
For what it's worth, I just tried it on my Galaxy Note 2.
The gallery player didn't play it (audio only) but it worked OK with MX Player in software decoding mode.
Since this resolution is so high on this device, is the Nexus 10 the 1st. "ULTRA" high resolution mobile device/tablet? Doesn't ultra start around this resolution or so?
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I'd never heard of a 10bit MKV until you brought it up. So I downloaded a sample to see it.
For what it's worth, I just tried it on my Galaxy Note 2.
The gallery player didn't play it (audio only) but it worked OK with MX Player in software decoding mode.
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Bsplayer is slightly better. Mxplayer will lose audio. But it can get pretty bad even with my note 10.1. Audio n video gets way out of sync.
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Bsplayer is slightly better. Mxplayer will lose audio. But it can get pretty bad even with my note 10.1. Audio n video gets way out of sync.
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I've not had any issues previously using MXplayer. However since this video was animated and in Japanese, it might have been completely out of sync, I have no idea