Just bought my tab 10.1 like a week ago, but as soon as I turned it on, I could noticeably see it run much slower than my Desire..
By slow, I mean the homepages take so long to rotate, bringing widgets or apps to homescreen or relocating them takes a few long seconds etc
the actual running of apps is not a problem
dunno.. dualcore, 1GB RAM.. thought it would make me wanna throw my phone away but it's completely the opposite atm..
Stock with all the apps loaded and the system not cleaned up, yes the tablet will be a lot slower, the displays anywhere will almost never give you the real experience because its soo overwhelmed with crap to show how fast it is. If you keep tasks killed via the Samsung task killer and don't just leave the tablet to fend for itself then it will be just as fast as your phone, for a faster than phone experiance, root, and install task 14 or overcome and your tablet will cruise and do so much more and fastern than your phone
At least we couldn't brick our cell phones back in the 80s ... they were already bricks
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My galaxy s2 feels like it's on par with my tablet on task ROM. Plays games and videos just as good
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Just bought my tab 10.1 like a week ago, but as soon as I turned it on, I could noticeably see it run much slower than my Desire..
By slow, I mean the homepages take so long to rotate, bringing widgets or apps to homescreen or relocating them takes a few long seconds etc
the actual running of apps is not a problem
dunno.. dualcore, 1GB RAM.. thought it would make me wanna throw my phone away but it's completely the opposite atm..
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I feel you dude, the tab is seriously slow on touch widz 3.1. Since its using the slowest dual core, the tegra 2.
My sgs2 is much faster in every way. Even apps are smoother.
Flash overcome rom made it much better since its upgraded to 3.2.
But still slower than a phone.
Finally the kang ics rom made it on par in terms on UI smoothness.
Sorry you receive so much bad comments here. Most people don't feel the pain.
After spending so much money, naturally we expect the best experience out of the box.
Sgs2 is great, superbly smooth without the need of any mod or custom roms.
But the tab out of the box experience is just bad.
Don't be a whiner, you already bought the tab, learn the flash custom rom and you'll be happy,
Despite being slower than sgs2, I still prefer using the tab as bigger screen is really much comfortable for browsing.
@Ray1, It isn't the whole idea of raging at someone over a touch device, Hell even the first Glofish/Windows based touch phones were slow as HELL, I just feel that people have forgotten what it's like to have, I don't know, patience?
Sure it's a smart device, but also realize that the loading is based on how much information it has to process, Compare a 4" screen to something that is 10" it's like comparing Windows 95 and Windows XP, In a 4" device you would have everything served asap only because the DPI is lesser compared to the tablet, I feel that your comparison of the fastest smartphone in the market at the moment versus the tablet which was supposed to be an upgrade of the 7" tablet is somewhat unfair. I guess some people can't learn to appreciate, and it's all about bringing up the "car theory" of what is the fastest.
Just so you know, no offence in any of this, but the tablet was built to handle ICS. If the Google Nexus was running HC or Gingerbread, you would even rage at how horribly slow it is. Don't blame the system for being slow, blame the OS, just a minor update, Smartphones had the evolution of smoothness from Eclair>Froyo>Gingerbread where as tablet's are still in their first era of figuring out its era of smoothness, however ICS is the perfection of what HC had failed to provide and they just didn't care about pushing it out onto the next HC update because it would be pointless to try and fix something that was way past it's testing phase, better example would be trying to upgrade a Windows XP when you have an i7, you wouldn't touch the XP now that you have an i7 now would you?
@Benzo I completely agree with you on your POV
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@xcly - Yes you are right it seems. Many smartphones are faster than tablets.
My wife's Droid (something) I can't remember the model, I just tested switched screens instantly while my tablet takes a second to render the graphics and move to a different screen. Sorry you're disappointed with your purchase.
My starting post:
Is this where that rant was?
Must have got reported and deleted.
So we can complain, but not complain about the complaining? Now that makes my day. LOL
What a double standard. But, still makes me laugh.
EDIT: Looks like this "is" where several posts got deleted, not just my own, because we "complained" with reason based explanations about posts complaining about bananas not being as red as apples. 'nuff said.
@ The Mod who removed my post(s) I send a thank you because it showed how old people get grumpy and vocal sometimes when they disagree with what's being stated.
@Misledz - It appears your latest post doesn't agree with the OP and gives reasoning. So I might expect it to be gone soon too. As will this one probably will be also. I'm off to bed.
get cm9
You should definitely try out the cm9 pre alpha build, my tablet was equally as slow, almost unbearably, to the point where there was lag when using the keyboard. But cm9 is quick and speedy and if you don't mind losing the camera on ur tab for awhile definitely worth the update.
ah well at least i know i'm not alone in this tablet slowness :/
you know.. i would've rooted it the first second i got it out of the box but it's not just for my own use so really don't have a choice on flashing a better ROM
will probably have to get meself a new phone instead lol
Tablets are also pushing more pixels than a phone with the same processor hence the UI lag
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Compare a 4" screen to something that is 10" it's like comparing Windows 95 and Windows XP, In a 4" device you would have everything served asap only because the DPI is lesser compared to the tablet, I feel that your comparison of the fastest smartphone in the market at the moment versus the tablet which was supposed to be an upgrade of the 7" tablet is somewhat unfair.
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its been awhile since i check this thread.
seems that some post were deleted. lol...
seeing how long post gets deleted, i shall keep my opinions as brief as possible.
excuse for tab10 being slow due to big screen resolution is invalid.
galaxy note and tab 7.7 similar resolution, but they are very smooth with no lag.
great experience out of the box.
reason: they use the exynos chipset similar to sgs2.
the performance is great. such as loading apps, actually running them, scrolling, rotating. there is virtually no lag.
My hate here, and rant, is mainly towards NVIDEA and their hopelessly weak procerssor and GPU. tegra2 is failure, tarnish android image. so sad that all first gen tablet uses it. makes majority average users feel android is slow.
lets make playing field fair and compare base on category.
tablet: tab7.7 powns tab10.1 and every other tegra2 tab out there. benchmark and real life usage.
phones: sgs2 powns lg optimus 2x and motorola atrix(use tegra2 as well). if want to be more fair, just compare optimus 2x, since atric has qhd screen.
i always knew tab10.1 use tegra2, but i still bought it thinking there isn much difference(i was so naive at that time). but its really really bad. HC makes it even worst. as the thread starter mention, its really a shame tab slower than phone.
look at the competition. i'm not apple fan, but i admit it, ipad2 is just soooo smooth and fast. (of cos it has its limitation and weakness), but over all user experience is smooth. the tab10.1 in the out of the box state is just.....sad.(dont want to elaborate).
i'm not a whiner. since i spend so much $$ for it.
i force myself to learn about rooting, and flashing rom. now on kang ICS, the performance is in the acceptable range.
tegra2, the first dual core, also the weakest and slowest.
tegra3, first quad core. but i'm not interested, will wait and see what TI and samsung offer.
take a look how tegra 3 get powned by TI's dual core.
being the first does not guarantee good performance.
http://blog.gsmarena.com/watch-a-pa...thrash-the-tegra-3-in-a-lenghty-browser-test/
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its been awhile since i check this thread.
seems that some post were deleted. lol...
seeing how long post gets deleted, i shall keep my opinions as brief as possible.
excuse for tab10 being slow due to big screen resolution is invalid.
galaxy note and tab 7.7 similar resolution, but they are very smooth with no lag.
great experience out of the box.
reason: they use the exynos chipset similar to sgs2.
the performance is great. such as loading apps, actually running them, scrolling, rotating. there is virtually no lag.
My hate here, and rant, is mainly towards NVIDEA and their hopelessly weak procerssor and GPU. tegra2 is failure, tarnish android image. so sad that all first gen tablet uses it. makes majority average users feel android is slow.
lets make playing field fair and compare base on category.
tablet: tab7.7 powns tab10.1 and every other tegra2 tab out there. benchmark and real life usage.
phones: sgs2 powns lg optimus 2x and motorola atrix(use tegra2 as well). if want to be more fair, just compare optimus 2x, since atric has qhd screen.
i always knew tab10.1 use tegra2, but i still bought it thinking there isn much difference(i was so naive at that time). but its really really bad. HC makes it even worst. as the thread starter mention, its really a shame tab slower than phone.
look at the competition. i'm not apple fan, but i admit it, ipad2 is just soooo smooth and fast. (of cos it has its limitation and weakness), but over all user experience is smooth. the tab10.1 in the out of the box state is just.....sad.(dont want to elaborate).
i'm not a whiner. since i spend so much $$ for it.
i force myself to learn about rooting, and flashing rom. now on kang ICS, the performance is in the acceptable range.
tegra2, the first dual core, also the weakest and slowest.
tegra3, first quad core. but i'm not interested, will wait and see what TI and samsung offer.
take a look how tegra 3 get powned by TI's dual core.
being the first does not guarantee good performance.
http://blog.gsmarena.com/watch-a-pa...thrash-the-tegra-3-in-a-lenghty-browser-test/
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Completely agree. Nvidia is the main problem with HC tablets. Remove tegra 2 and instantly awsome tablet
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I have a Samsung Galaxy S2 with MIUI.
I have a P7500 3G with CM9 KANG ICS.
I have used both for web browsing and I did see my phone as faster until I set my CPU of my tablet to 1.4ghz.
It really has made a difference and my tablet browsing is awesome and quick.
I would also try using the Google Chrome Beta Browser. It makes web browsing a dream
Is there any way of speeding up the scrolling between homescreens? I prefer not to root.
Also for me the speed is disappointing. Used to the Ipad and Galaxy S2.
Without widgets it is somewhat faster but widgets is the nr. 1 reason to go for Android.
Huib
Wow this thread is over a year old now lol. You can't do much without rooting I'm afraid..
Disable all system apps you don't use and see if that makes any difference. Otherwise, it's root and freeze more apps or flash custom roms.
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Hey Fellas,
I'm currently an iPad 2 user. I have a Galaxy S phone (which I love) and won't give it up for an iPhone. I was considering buying a Tab... but I didn't have much of a choice when the iPad 2 came out.
Today I ran into a Galaxy Tab 10.1 (it was AMAZING) and I'm thinking about returning my iPad 2.
Would anyone recommend this?
I love the Android OS. I chose the iOS because of the amount of useful school/work apps it has. [IT field].
Another question is... does anyone here own both [or tried both the iPad 2 AND the G Tab]? I have to say that the iPad 2 keyboard was much smoother than the Galaxy Tab.
I tried it quick.. I didn't have much time to play with it. I thought the keyboard wasn't as fast.
How about school/IT apps?
Thanks in advance!
My mom have the iPad 2 and I love Honeycomb but when compared to iOS its missing a whole lot, especially on apps.
Honeycomb is a new OS for tablets and I see it growing in the future and apps are slowly being ported and optimized for Honeycomb tablets. iOS has been in the market for a while and honeycomb has got some catching up to do.
Buy a tablet for what it is now instead of expecting something out of it and just getting frustrated waiting for an app. I bout a zune HD thinking it will go toe to toe with the iPod touch but was just disappointed and ended up selling it and buying the iPod touch.
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Other than the infamous lag when typing in forums, keyboard speed is fine in every application I've used so far. For some the forum thing is a big deal, and I've worked around it for now by using a remote desktop app if I really feel the need to post an essay using the tab, but obviously that isn't ideal.
As for the keyboard itself, there are plenty to choose from. Swiftkey, Thumb Keyboard and Swype are all excellent alternatives if you don't like the stock HC keyboard or the Samsung one.
The tab comes with Quick Office pre-installed and that will do the job if you want to take notes and read documents. There are about a half dozen office suites and each have their pro's and con's, if you want to learn more about them there is a good comparison thread over at the Asus Transformer forums. They all have a ways to go though before they're suitable for real work with documents however.
For IT, I imagine apps like LogMeIn, Wyse Pocket Cloud, Overlook Fing, andSMB, SharesFinder, ASProxy, Connect Bot, etc would be useful.
to give you an honest answer stick with the Ipad. Everyone on here will try to give you a reach around about why the TAB is so great. But quite frankly in its current state its not. I'm typing this on my tab right now and am getting pissed that my words are showing up well after I press the keys. There are NO USEFULL ANDROID TABLET APPS available at this time. You want proof. Go to the marketplace and see if you van even tell the difference between what is a table app and what isn't. Some tablet apps even have disclaimers stating they aren't even compatible with the GT yet. I purchased my tab because I'm believing in the Modding community will one day provide me with the goodies I crave for use on what is a very (hardware) capable device. But if you want somethingthat just works right now... get an IPAD.
I am still so much on the fence about the GT 10.1 I have a hard time even trying to formulate a reply to this. As I think I go back and forth every 5 minutes.
GT 10.1
+ Android is open, open file system, third party app stores/markets.
+ Wide screen display, higher resolution, and stereo speakers great for videos.
+ Highly customizable with widgets.
+ XDA community usually does great job with custom ROMs.
+ Google apps and Amazon CloudDrive and App Store are great.
- Android 3 is a rush job, screen response not great (not bad either), keyboard lag.
- App crashes and random reboots rare, but happen more than they should.
- Tablet app select still small, and Android app versions sometimes inferior to iOS.
- Uncertainty when Samsung might push the Android 4.0 update, they've been ver slow in the past.
- No Netflix
iPad 2 (I own an iPad 1, so this is mostly about iOS)
+ Over a year head start in tablets, lots of quality apps.
+ iOS versions of some apps are better, Tweetdeck, Tune In Radio, Taptu, etc.
+ Netflix, Hulu Plus (don't care for Hulu, but really miss Netflix on my GT 10.1)
+ iOS very responsive and smooth.
+ Square screen ratio nice for browsing, ebooks.
+ Apple makes software and hardware, so dependable updates.
- No file system access, must use iTunes (usually) to transfer files.
- Google, YouTube apps sucks on iOS.
- No third party application markets (no good Jailbreak for iPad 2, so no Cydia).
- Lower res display, 512MB of RAM.
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Hey Fellas,
I'm currently an iPad 2 user. I have a Galaxy S phone (which I love) and won't give it up for an iPhone. I was considering buying a Tab... but I didn't have much of a choice when the iPad 2 came out.
Today I ran into a Galaxy Tab 10.1 (it was AMAZING) and I'm thinking about returning my iPad 2.
Would anyone recommend this?
I love the Android OS. I chose the iOS because of the amount of useful school/work apps it has. [IT field].
Another question is... does anyone here own both [or tried both the iPad 2 AND the G Tab]? I have to say that the iPad 2 keyboard was much smoother than the Galaxy Tab.
I tried it quick.. I didn't have much time to play with it. I thought the keyboard wasn't as fast.
How about school/IT apps?
Thanks in advance!
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Hello!
My friend owns the iPad/iPad 2 and I use them regularly when I'm at his house as he has multiple. I own a Galaxy Tab 7" and 10.1 myself. Here's my personal opinion:
The iPad had a significant build quality difference between it and the 7" Tab. The Galaxy Tab 10.1 corrects this, but it's still very difficult to beat a uniform metal structure versus a plastic one. This will boil down to whether you prefer a higher build quality, or a lighter device. The 10.1 is way lighter, the iPad 2's build quality is better.
As far as applications go... iOS tablet-centric apps blows Android out of the water. There is no denying this. You can still get any application you need on both platforms, but the higher resolution ones on the iPad are way more numerous. Here's to hoping this changes soon for Honeycomb.
As far as operating systems go... Honeycomb is ages beyond iOS in terms of a more desktop-like feel on a Tablet and less of a phone-like feel. iOS 5 does little to correct this. You will find the OS itself much more pleasant on a Honeycomb tablet.
Hardware: The processor in the iPad 2 is fast. The processor in the Galaxy Tab 10.1 is fast. I don't see any speed differences between the two, except for the browser. The lead Google put in Android 2.2 shows heavily with the UI optimized for Tablets. Also, the Tegra 2 processor is the first processor I can say having Flash is a definitive advantage. I can stream HD videos from Flash sources on the web (ABC, Crunchyroll, etc) with very little to no stuttering. Props to NVidia here. I could probably do a video for you, if you were interested.
The back camera on the Galaxy Tab 10.1 is far superior, though I don't think you'll be using it very often when cameras on phones are smaller and easier to use. Just my opinion.
Last but not least: I really dislike the iPad (iOS 4) and Google's default keyboard on Tablets. They are extremely hard to use while handling the device. I use Swiftkey Tablet X on my 7" and 10.1" Tab and LOVE it. If you keep your iPad 2 I really suggest you get iOS 5 on it to take advantage of the split keyboard effect. It makes typing far easier. If you do go back and get a Google-based Tab, drop their crappy keyboard and get Swiftkey X. It's in beta - I can send you the apk if you do end up going that route. Just PM me.
[Edit] Quick edit after reading Ravynmagi's post - not having Netflix is a HUGE HUGE bummer. There's no word on it coming to Honeycomb either, so don't hold your breath[/Edit]
I've had both. the iTampon 2 is riddled with screen problems. I wouldn't pay 500 bucks for it. It does have more apps... but let's be honest..... how many apps do you really need?
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I've had both. the iTampon 2 is riddled with screen problems. I wouldn't pay 500 bucks for it. It does have more apps... but let's be honest..... how many apps do you really need?
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That was the earlier batches though. I'm of the impression that has been resolved, hasn't it?
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That was the earlier batches though. I'm of the impression that has been resolved, hasn't it?
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Check the support forums at the Apple site. Sure hasn't.
I don't like Ipads. It feels like you are stuck into the app drawer forever.
Sure, there are tons of apps for tablets but everything else is below 10.1 standards.
It starts with the homescreen, over to multitasking abilities and ends in hardware.
And a 4:3 screen is a no go. Every media is made for 16:9 or 16:10, have fun watching movies on that. Ipad2 feels like an ancient TV.
And web without flash? Seriously? That also means no browser games which all are high resolution and made for PC !
Ipads are just for the fancy glamour aspect. The apps look better, for example ebook readers are nicer animated. But I am a purist, I don't want animations around my text, I want a nice and huge display. Why buy 10.1 if half of your screen is used up by showing virutal pages?
The fact that Honeycomb doesn't have many good apps and Tegra 2 seems pretty poor overall (poor video/codec playing, maybe be an OS issue though) I would get an iPad. It will just be a smoother/better experience.
When people say that the IPad has more apps, I kind of laugh at this.....
Its the quality of the apps, not the number of them. If Android has the apps that I want and are of good quality, than I am happy.
I was debating between these 2 devices and in the end I chose the IPAD2. I really wanted to go with Android, but right now its just not ready for "primetime" just yet. I may revisit this when ICS comes out and the Android Tablets and Apps have become more mature. Much like when Android came out, you are goign to ahve to do a lot fo work to get it to do what you want to do. I think the GTAB has great potential, its the OS that holds it back. App conversion\creation has been very slow so far, which is another drawback.
As others have said though, take account of what you want to do with the tablet and what apps you will use. Then go through both tablets and see what will suit your needs. You cant go wrong with either as both have their negative and positive attributes. Whichever is going to fit your needs the best is the one to get, everyone has different needs and wants, so everyone will have a differing opinion.
I can say though that I have not been disappointed with my decision. I still come here and lurk to see what the current state of the GTAB is though as it still sparks my interest and I want it to succeed.
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When people say that the IPad has more apps, I kind of laugh at this.....
Its the quality of the apps, not the number of them. If Android has the apps that I want and are of good quality, than I am happy.
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My experience is quality has usually been lower on the Android side. Either the Android version has fewer features or is less stable or not even compatible with your device. Fragmentation is a real ***** on Android right now and quality is suffering because of it.
I really don't see an argument for Android having an advantage on the app side. That's going to be the iPad's strong point for quite some time.
But I do agree, plenty of people can find good quality apps that suit their needs and be completely happy.
honeycomb really suck balls! i have to have 3 different browsers installed to do what a normal browser does
firefox to download stuff (if u disagree, try using some other browser to download from filesonic/hotfiles)
skyfire to view flash sites
and the ever temperamental stock browser
why am i able to do the above with any browser froyo/gingerbread but not honeycomb?
typing in username/password is a nightmare, tap a key --> wait for the character to appear --> type the next key.. honestly if u want to try out android, get yourself an android phone, avoid honeycomb tablets for the time being
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When people say that the IPad has more apps, I kind of laugh at this.....
Its the quality of the apps, not the number of them. If Android has the apps that I want and are of good quality, than I am happy.
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ipad has a lot of useful and quality apps compared to the less than a hundred apps that honeycomb offer.
I'm not talking about games because the tablet optimized games that honeycomb/tegra have are awesome but when it comes to apps for specific tasks they have very limited selection and not a lot of them are comparable to the ipad app counterpart.
I'm talking about finance apps like iReconcile for iPad and portfolio apps for photographers.
I have not seen one portfolio app for honeycomb and ipad have a color calibration app made by datacolor called SpyderGallery but non existent on the honeycomb.
I'm just saying that honeycomb might be good for someone that want to do basic stuff on their tablet but if you want a task specific app, the ipad has them and honeycomb desn't have them but doesn't mean they're not going to have them in the future.
I think that we're going to see a lot of apps ported to honeycomb by the end of the year.
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I've played with the ipad & currently own a GT 10.1. For me (& I think Rayvnmagi summed it all up nicely), the two greatest advantages of Honeycomb are media (ability to play Flash & higher resolution video) and the mod-ability (I just bought an Epic 4G -- $30 on Amazon! -- and I haven't stopped playing with ROMs since; something I could never do with my iphone 3GS).
Yes, the apps are decidedly not there. Yes, the keyboard lag is awful when typing in forums, etc. I'm willing to put up with that for now because I know two things: 1) the fellas here at xda are awesome & will most likely come out with a fix in the near future & 2) Google handed out GT 10.1 developer editions to everyone at its developer conference. That can only be a good thing in terms of app development for the GT 10.1.
All that being said, I actually recommended my dad (NOT a techie) get an ipad 2. He's not as tech-savvy, and he's of the mindset that things should just work. The ipad has established itself as a very stable platform that works (usually) without a hitch & I have a feeling if he'd gotten a GT 10.1, he would have had several headaches & never used it.
So, I feel like in the end, it really depends on your usage preference--do you want an established tech with a little bit lower specs or do you want the newer tech with more bugs but better specs?
My problem with the tab right now has nothing to do with apps etc etc. That stuff will eventually come, just a little time.
My problem is with lag, video playback issues, and the fact that samsung does not like to update their products to push you to buy new ones. Even if google fixes all the issues currently with the tablets, there is no guarantee samsung will give us that update.
Samsung's flagship phone (galaxy s) has yet to get the ota froyo update. If you send your phone back in for a warranty repair, yes you will receive a refurbed one with froyo or you can get it through kies if you are aware of it's existence. Yet the new $70 samsung exhibit is just a replay of the vibrant but with gingerbread!
I don't know about the other manufacturers, but I don't expect the tab to improve much more than it has now. There will most likely be a new tablet from samsung in the fall to winter season sporting icecream sandwich...if that happens, forget updates!
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SR45 said:
When people say that the IPad has more apps, I kind of laugh at this.....
Its the quality of the apps, not the number of them. If Android has the apps that I want and are of good quality, than I am happy.
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I laugh at this comment because androids tablets apps are lacking in BOTH QUALITY and QUANTITY. Seriously dude you set ursrlf up for that.
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The problem with the iPad is that once you buy into the Apple infrastructure if you buy a decent quality of apps you're locked into them forever unless you want to start over again. Personally I love the flexibility of Android and will never go back to having an iPhone (which I used to have).
When Exchange didn't work with my corporate server with my iPhone I was out of luck. With my Droid X I had the same problem but was able to download Touchdown which works fine. To me, that flexibility makes it more worthwhile to stay with Android and lose out on the over abundance of "fart apps" in the Apple app store.
Currently, I have the iPad 2. I do, however, miss android and its customizable aspect. So I was offered by someone to swap my iPad 2 for his Galaxy Tab 10.1
Before swapping, I did went to the nearest Bestbuy to see what the hype was all about. I am pretty disappointed with the browser and the onscreen keyboard. Typing was a pain, and in conjunction with Google's autocomplete feature, it was a nightmare.
By running Quadrant Standard twice, I got scores ranging from 1550-1700. Which was pretty horrid for a dual core processor. I noticed that the fps on each test (2d-3d) range from 15fps-30fps. I have the Samsung Fascinate as my smartphone, and it goes up to 56fps during the graphic tests.
The model that I played around with was not running TouchWiz or maybe it is not updated.
I am mostly concerned on how the device runs after third-party launchers, root, themes, etc. are installed.
Is the interface still sluggish? is the onscreen keyboard still horrid?
I'm currently running stock Touchwiz and yeah it has its glitches, but it's not horrid. I also own the iPad 2 and it has its glitches once in a while too! I like both devices! I could do more on my GTab of course, but I get more smoothness on my iPad 2. They each have pros and cons! Lol
If you don't like the stock keyboard on the GTab you can always change it! I like to use Swiftkey on mine.
Quadrant doesn't get along with stock HC 3.1, so the score is pretty meaningless. On literally every other rom (HC 3.0, TouchWiz etc) normal Quadrant scores should be in the mid 2k's.
The typing lag and wonky cursor that was a problem when typing in web forms has been fixed in the TouchWiz update.
While I've seen some people complain about lag with the launcher, I've never experienced it myself. Regardless, there are optimized launchers available if you flash a deodexed TW rom, and launchers like ADW also work fine on the tablet.
Thanks for the response guys.
I wish I can have both. Since playing around with it from a display model was really pointless since I can't do much about it in regards to flashing rom/updates/etc.
If you were on my shoes, trade or not to trade.
Hey, if you miss customization, then go for the tab, I say. When I used the ipad1 before, staring at those generic iOS homescreen with its sterile grid, indistinguishable icons, horrid folders, lack of widgets was pretty depressing, to me at least.
Yes, you'll run into some glitches. But custom kernels, roms, apps can remedy many of them, while Honeycomb and Touchwiz has already been getting better over time. That GT10.1 seems to have attracted some awesome devs is a plus too.
Yes, you may miss some favorite apps. But most likely there will be similar ones for android, or they will some make there appearance as tablets gain market share. There are yet no ipad-only killer apps that make it too much of a pain to cross over to the tab.
And on top of having your very own customized tab, with docks, apps, widgets individualized and optimized for your own self, imho, the tab even outshines the ipad in terms of
Better for watching or streaming movies (16:9 ratio, play more codex, a gorgeous screen),
Better web-browsing (flash of course, as well as higher pixel count to take in the whole website),
and arguably better e-reading (TW ebook app is quite versatile and easy on the eye, and I enjoy the landscape two-page mode reading which utilizes the widescreen)
as well as better sound (you can get voodoo control with pershoots kernel and bluetooth is amazing)
All which I think are the mainstays of a tablet experience.
Maybe note taking is another, in which the HTC Flyer may be better, but then with swype or thumbkeyboard, or an optional bluetooth keyboard, note taking is at least just as good as the ipad2.
And you won't be sacrificing the sleek form factor (GT10.1 is lighter and thinner, marginally, than ipad2) as you would have to if you went for a different android tab (at least until the Sony S1 comes out, which we'll have to see to be sure).
So, that's my take on why if I was in your shoes, I'd go for the Galaxy Tab 10.1
I should add, to me, whereas the ipad was mainly a portrait mode experience, the Galaxy Tab 10.1 is mainly a landscape mode experience. Should consider and be comfortable of that too - especially in terms of customizing your tablet homescreens. It's one thing that makes it quite different and more exciting than customizing a smartphone.
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Thanks for the response guys.
I wish I can have both. Since playing around with it from a display model was really pointless since I can't do much about it in regards to flashing rom/updates/etc.
If you were on my shoes, trade or not to trade.
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As with any android vs apple comparison, I think it kind of comes down to how much you like tweaking and customizing, while having to occasionally find workarounds and deal with a still developing ecosystem. If you'd rather not bother with any of that then stick with the iPad.
GTab 10.1 with Honeycomb has a lot of potential. I will probably keep my iPad 2 and snag one off office depot with a 100$ coupon for any tablet.
I've decided to keep the iPad 2 due to the fact that, unfortunately, bought a ton of productivity apps from the app store already. Furthermore, by keeping it and getting GTab 10.1, I can enjoy both worlds. Just need to feed the hungry android inside me.
Love android os. Hope that ice cream sandwich is as tasty as it looks.
Thanks a lot guys for the info. Really helped me decide wether I should get one or not.
I have both. Bought the Galaxy Tab and got the iPad 2 through my school. One thing the iPad has going for itself is that it's a really smooth experience. What it does, it does well. Unfortunately, that's all it does though. There's just nothing else to do with it besides running apps and browsing the internet. If you need something to satisfy your inner geek I would definitely go with the Tab.
From your post I take that you already know all this and are mainly wondering how the Tab holds up performance wise. It's great! I'm running the latest Starburst with pershoots kernel overclocked to 1.4 and the sucker flies. It beats the iPad on almost every webpage rendering test I've put the two to. Google maps is light years ahead of the iPad version and the browsing experience is great since the TouchWiz update.
In the end it's a personal decision. Lets just say that MY iPad is collecting dust on the shelf.
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I'm not to much of a tech head and i know the quad cores help things run faster and smoother... but without ICS, it seems like the quad cores are not being used. What proof is there that ICS will even make full use of the quad cores? Does this
tablet use the quad cores to there full potential with anything? or are the cores just a marketing tool? As far as i can tell, the ipad has faster internet surfing and better a better gpu.
im not here to bad talk the asus or anything, I just want some... reassuring.
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I'm not to much of a tech head and i know the quad cores help things run faster and smoother... but without ICS, it seems like the quad cores are not being used. What proof is there that ICS will even make full use of the quad cores? Does this
tablet use the quad cores to there full potential with anything? or are the cores just a marketing tool? As far as i can tell, the ipad has faster internet surfing and better a better gpu.
im not here to bad talk the asus or anything, I just want some... reassuring.
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Your right but when ICS roles out with NATIVE HARDWARE acceleration it will kick even the ipad 3's butt!
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From what I've heard, ICS fixes a lot of issues. The SunSpider tests (browser test) on the Galaxy Nexus running ICS was faster than the iPhone 4S.
But there is really no comparison between the Prime or any Android Tablet to the iPad. Assuming that you have the money, if you want an iOS tab, get the iPad. If you want an Android tab get the Prime.
This was discussed in a couple of earlier threads (here's one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1377519). ICS doesn't really improve on Honeycomb when it comes to hardware acceleration or multi-core support. It will, however, likely be more optimized and a better overall experience.
I think most folks are hoping for a better browser experience, mostly. Otherwise, I think performance will be similar.
Here's a great video that shows how the five cores work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1qKdBX4-jc&feature=player_embedded
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From what I've heard, ICS fixes a lot of issues. The SunSpider tests (browser test) on the Galaxy Nexus running ICS was faster than the iPhone 4S.
But there is really no comparison between the Prime or any Android Tablet to the iPad. Assuming that you have the money, if you want an iOS tab, get the iPad. If you want an Android tab get the Prime.
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People need to stop quoting sunspider benchmarks they are extremely unreliable and you never get the same results!
Also those benchmarks where preformed with the stock ics browser! And who uses stock! If they used another browser it would been way faster!
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What is a better browser?
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Your right but when ICS roles out with NATIVE HARDWARE acceleration it will kick even the ipad 3's butt!
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While I enjoy a little Apple bashing as much as the next guy, lets not lose touch with reality:
Dianne Hackborn - How about some Android graphics true facts?
https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s
It woNt even matter. The extra cores will help regardless of optimized for it or not. There's been a few videos showing how the extra cores kick in to iniate actions faster, or make apps or games run a lot better. Who cares if the GPU not the most powerful out of all tablets. It's the most powerful in Android at the moment. Plus ipad2 is only slightly better. nOW, the CPU in tegra3 blows away any other CPU in the mobile tech market today, as far as tablets like iOS or Amdroid goes. The extra power in CPU can make up for any shortcomings on the already powerful gpu. Several reviewers said the best graphics ever seen on a mobile device was shown powered by tegra3 Prime, not ipad2. Browsing experience is subjective to the user. 3rd party apps are always better than native ones. Opera mobile will more than likely be best for prime, as it's the best for Android at the moment. Dolphin HD is great also.
Stop feeding into the so called negative hype so much. iPad browser not so fast n I have one. Safari sux but I have ICab and atomic browser which are much better than IOS stock safari browser.
Not to sound funny but this thread is another rehash of jeiwongs or others. You don't need no reassuring, unless you a child. I thought I saw one of your other posts saying you was an adult. Stop trying to compare everything to iPad. iPad so simple anyways so it should run fast as he'll. There is a lot more going on in Android OS like widgets n so on. For android to have all the extras and have the The Prime perform just as fast is an amazing feat. Ipad2 Only won a couple categories, Tegra3 blew all the other categories away.
As other more knowledgeable members have stated here before, don't be so fixated on spec numbers, like gpu. Nvidia and tegra3 has tricks up their sleeve to produce amazing results. Just like cars, just because you have more. Horsepower, doesn't automatically mean you will be faster or win. Other factors come into play. Weight, efficiency , etc...don't focus on gpu so much as it's the most powerful out for android anyways. Be amazed how more powerful the CPU is than any other tablet out now. The CPU will push anything extra needed the gpu can't handle on it's own. That's why Prime has all the extra capabilities like micro SD card support, USB host functions, game controllers, etc..
Apple, even though they make great tech devices, fool people. They could of easily implemented everything in ipad2 into ipad1. But no, they want to add a few extra features and make you want newer device. Especially with iPhones and all the different versions. Each upgrade could've easily been implemented into the last/previous one. At least with tegra3 is will have more longevity than any apple device. I have an iPad n love it but tired of having to hack ot just to do the simple tasks most others do out the box. Like people said before, iPad is for someone who loves simplicity and not too keen on technology. Android is a nerds dream and the customizations are very numerous. T the point of personalizing it. iPad, all you do is change wallpaper. Wow..lol. Even jail broken n adding themes, it still the same look really. Although I do have honey pad on iPad which changes it up to honeycomb UI. Completely makes iPad feel like a new device with widgets n everything. But ipad1 only has 256mb of RAM so I run out of ram quick when adding several widgets. Even ipad2 only has 512. Most Android devices now run 1GB of Ram. Newer ones will have even 2GB. The future lies with Android. The Prime will be the beginning of the new Android Revolution. 2012 will he tegra3 year, year of The Android. Once ipad3 announced, it will be cool n get lot of hype but now for the first time, us Android owners have devices to truly compete with Apple on all fronts. So the hype for Apple won't be as strong as before. People know now they have more choices of great products out there. Not just Apple.
Apple can optimize iOS in a way that Android cannot be optimized because Apple controls every aspect of their devices--hardware and software. Hell, I'd be shocked if an iPad 2 wasn't more optimized than any given Android device. And even then, it should be noted that Apple achieves their vaunted fluidity because iOS does far less than Android--lesser multitasking, no widgets, etc.
I'm more than willing to accept a little worse performance because I can do so much more with my Android devices, at least as far as the OS itself is concerned. Just the ability to stock up my Transformer's (and soon to be Prime's) home screens with functional elements like widgets means that I get far more overall functionality out of my Android tablet than I'd get from an iPad 2.
The apps situation is different, of course, but that will change. Already, I can't think of a single task I'd like to do with my tablet that I can't because of a missing app. So, the fact that the iPad 2 might be a little smoother in some things is pretty much irrelevant to me.
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Apple can optimize iOS in a way that Android cannot be optimized because Apple controls every aspect of their devices--hardware and software. Hell, I'd be shocked if an iPad 2 wasn't more optimized than any given Android device. And even then, it should be noted that Apple achieves their vaunted fluidity because iOS does far less than Android--lesser multitasking, no widgets, etc.
I'm more than willing to accept a little worse performance because I can do so much more with my Android devices, at least as far as the OS itself is concerned. Just the ability to stock up my Transformer's (and soon to be Prime's) home screens with functional elements like widgets means that I get far more overall functionality out of my Android tablet than I'd get from an iPad 2.
The apps situation is different, of course, but that will change. Already, I can't think of a single task I'd like to do with my tablet that I can't because of a missing app. So, the fact that the iPad 2 might be a little smoother in some things is pretty much irrelevant to me.
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Yes... all of those words.
Ectoplasmic said:
While I enjoy a little Apple bashing as much as the next guy, lets not lose touch with reality:
Dianne Hackborn - How about some Android graphics true facts?
https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s
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I edited/deleted what I originally wrote. I'm sure he saw what I wrote. Regardless of how I feel, everyone entitled to their own opinions. If everyone thought the same this world would be a boring place. Just because I don't agree with opinion doesn't mean i need to counter and rag on the person.
That link does show some very interesting facts n details on how Android operates. This has been posted before but still good info.
I believe Android is more a focus on strengths than on shortcomings. android is getting better n better with every release. I know iOS structure and environment very well but I see the future potential in Android. iOS will always be locked down.
Cool story bro...
I used to take sides on the android vs. iOS debate, till the day I took an Arrow in the Knee.
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Cool story bro...
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blaziner18 said:
I'm not to much of a tech head and i know the quad cores help things run faster and smoother... but without ICS, it seems like the quad cores are not being used. What proof is there that ICS will even make full use of the quad cores? Does this
tablet use the quad cores to there full potential with anything? or are the cores just a marketing tool? As far as i can tell, the ipad has faster internet surfing and better a better gpu.
im not here to bad talk the asus or anything, I just want some... reassuring.
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Theory says: A processor (a core) can only run one thing at a given time. OSs use priority systems and give each running process a short time to do something before passing to the next process in a cycle. Having more cores would mean that each app would go in a specific core, so if you have 4 apps running at the same time, the 4 cores would be used. If you have more than 4 apps, each app would be assigned to a different core so they are distributed instead of acumulating them into just one.
And this should happen even if they aren't prepared for multicore, the system will send each app to a different core so they can run at the same time and be smoother. If an app is ready for multicore, then it can use the different cores to get the same result 4x faster. And even in games, as the GPU only fills textures. Yes, the iPad2 will fill the textures faster, but everything else will be faster on the tegra3 because of the 4 cores loading the game itself and each level faster, calculating each movement faster, and so on.
As browsing goes... read the link given by Ectoplasmic and try what is said there (i beliave it was that article) on your iPad. While loading a complex webpage, if you try to do anything with the tablet, the loading will stop until you release it. There, if it was at least dual core, one core could handle the user interaction and the other the browsing. Being a multitask system, android also has the problem of browsing with possible background apps using the connection (that only has one channel) limiting your speed and performance. Having more cores would soften this effect (because of what i stated first) but never eliminate it. On the other hand, your Twitter, fb, g+ could be getting updates while you load a webpage (it would take 1.1 secs instead of 1.0) but it wouldn't happen on the iPad.
Another day another Ipad (iOS) vs Prime (android) discussion.
So eat this, trollz!
If you ever thought about getting or did get an iPad you're not worthy of the Transformer Prime man.
I'd say if you cant decide between the two: ipad2&prime, get the iPad. Why? Because if you dont have an ipad, you dont have an ipad.
If for some reason after reading this post you're under the impression that I suggested to you to get the iPad. Get the iPad. Or read it again.
And dont take me too seriously i'm a friendly guy. And i just had some yummie beers and some red stuff out of a strange bottle^^
[Looking forward to the moment when "Sent from my TransformerPrime" is written in this spot]
demandarin said:
Stop feeding into the so called negative hype so much. iPad browser not so fast n I have one. Safari sux but I have ICab and atomic browser which are much better than IOS stock safari browser.
Not to sound funny but this thread is another rehash of jeiwongs or others. You don't need no reassuring, unless you a child. I thought I saw one of your other posts saying you was an adult. Stop trying to compare everything to iPad. iPad so simple anyways so it should run fast as he'll. There is a lot more going on in Android OS like widgets n so on. For android to have all the extras and have the The Prime perform just as fast is an amazing feat. Ipad2 Only won a couple categories, Tegra3 blew all the other categories away.
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me the child? I see all of your posts, and if anyone says anything negative about your god of a device you turn into a sad little fanboy. I don't feed into negative hype, I know what i see and i know that the apples internet browsing is faster. I was simply wondering what the cores do.
Android fanboys don't own iPads. I have an iPad and Android devices. So I can say I have experience comparing the two browsing experiences. Like I said before, in a sense, it was already stated before what the cores can and cannot do. This nothing more than a rehash of old thread that got closed. Grow some $&@@- and learn to research first, as your question been answered in several other threads here. XDA is not here to hold your hand n tell you everything OK. Get a grip, use search function, don't take everything so seriously . If you want to be seen as posting meaningful/informational stuff, then take it easy on the fluff filled threads..lol mr. hype man
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.. If you want to be seen as posting meaningful/informational stuff..
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I've never seen you post anything meaningful.
I would like to start off by saying I tried a search and did not find conclusive results to my question so apologies if I missed a thread on this.
I would also like to say I am not a Apple fan by nature. I was a preorder on the Andoid G1 if that serves any background on me.
So my dilemma.. What sold me on the iPad 2 was trying out a iPad 1 early last year and took to the speed, performance, form etc. So learning the ipad 2 was down the road I waited a few months and walked into the store on launch day and picked one up.
My dilemma - I have not been very happy with Apple in general for many reasons which I won't get into but seeking real feedback if the Prime would compare to the iPad 2 for owners of both.
In desperation to have an Andriod device I recently purchased the Galaxy Tab 10.1 only to be disappointed and returned it. It is nice, don't get me wrong but pales in comparison to the speed in which I am used to. At least out of the box. I am not looking to mod my tablet (already do that with my Evo and Photon).
So, is there anyone here that can provide real feedback to owning both units? I really want to go Android but don't want to feel like I am sacrificing on anything. The browser tests I did with the Galaxy vs the iPad were significant enough for me to be a deal breaker. I know I am giving up flash on the iPad but in reality most of what I do doesn't require it. I would just prefer a Android device that has similar speed in browsing and responsiveness, screen etc..
Thanks in advance and sorry for the long post..
my prime should be here tomorrow so ill post up my results for you. also keep in mind that the ipad 3 should be coming out sometime this year. but you said you wanted an android device so that may not matter.
Thanks.. I did hear the iPad 3 is coming out but it seems like a rumor at the moment? Like you mentioned though I am really looking to get away from the limitations Apple has which is my drive. The IOS 5 update took away my direct print function from email and Safari from an app I paid for which i was told from the developer was intentional and there is nothing they can do about it. I am not unhappy enough with the iPad to just make a change for the sake of change as it does work nice for most of what I do. I wish this was in store to try it out first but I can be patient.
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Thanks.. I did hear the iPad 3 is coming out but it seems like a rumor at the moment? Like you mentioned though I am really looking to get away from the limitations Apple has which is my drive. The IOS 5 update took away my direct print function from email and Safari from an app I paid for which i was told from the developer was intentional and there is nothing they can do about it. I am not unhappy enough with the iPad to just make a change for the sake of change as it does work nice for most of what I do. I wish this was in store to try it out first but I can be patient.
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Ya thats the way i feel, if the prime doesnt preform well ill send it back and wait to see if the ics update fixes it. but have you looked at the galaxy tab 7.7? i heard thats supposed to be pretty nice and if you already have an ipad 2 maybe the smaller size would be good for you. Either way i think you have to wait for the ics update to get a real comparison.
I did see something about the 7.7 but thought it was only avail through Verizon with LTE? The size is actually probably not bad and doable.
I recently picked up an ipad 2 while I wait for a replacement Prime to come in. I am by no means an apple guy, in fact I don't like a lot of things they do and have been an android user for years. That being said, I am very quite impressed with it so far. Very fluid ui and browser (great flash support using Photon browser). Games, are significantly ahead of android in quantity and quality. Software in general is polished and compatibility is excellent.
Now, unlike prime with storage and hdmi... With ipad you pay for everything. Hdmi, eternal storage etc. External output is Meh, requires google tv for most things. Peripherals in general are expensive, but will be compatible with most if not all apple things.
That's all I can think of right now... Plus typing on a phone sucks.
Let me know if you have specific questions.
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I would like to start off by saying I tried a search and did not find conclusive results to my question so apologies if I missed a thread on this.
I would also like to say I am not a Apple fan by nature. I was a preorder on the Andoid G1 if that serves any background on me.
So my dilemma.. What sold me on the iPad 2 was trying out a iPad 1 early last year and took to the speed, performance, form etc. So learning the ipad 2 was down the road I waited a few months and walked into the store on launch day and picked one up.
My dilemma - I have not been very happy with Apple in general for many reasons which I won't get into but seeking real feedback if the Prime would compare to the iPad 2 for owners of both.
In desperation to have an Andriod device I recently purchased the Galaxy Tab 10.1 only to be disappointed and returned it. It is nice, don't get me wrong but pales in comparison to the speed in which I am used to. At least out of the box. I am not looking to mod my tablet (already do that with my Evo and Photon).
So, is there anyone here that can provide real feedback to owning both units? I really want to go Android but don't want to feel like I am sacrificing on anything. The browser tests I did with the Galaxy vs the iPad were significant enough for me to be a deal breaker. I know I am giving up flash on the iPad but in reality most of what I do doesn't require it. I would just prefer a Android device that has similar speed in browsing and responsiveness, screen etc..
Thanks in advance and sorry for the long post..
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This is not specific to the TF Prime, but rather all Honeycomb devices (And I guess Gingerbread too). Don't bother with the stock browsers until Chrome is finally introduced to Android, the stock browser is overall much clunkier and less responsive than other solutions that you can find on the market.
I personally use Opera Mobile on both Atrix 4G and Honeycomb Tablet, and I found a HUGE difference in responsiveness and ease of use.
EDIT: The thing about android is that only some stock apps are good (the others are barely adequate at best), however you can find excellent replacements on the market for whatever you need.
littleemp said:
This is not specific to the TF Prime, but rather all Honeycomb devices (And I guess Gingerbread too). Don't bother with the stock browsers until Chrome is finally introduced to Android, the stock browser is overall much clunkier and less responsive than other solutions that you can find on the market.
I personally use Opera Mobile on both Atrix 4G and Honeycomb Tablet, and I found a HUGE difference in responsiveness and ease of use.
EDIT: The thing about android is that only some stock apps are good (the others are barely adequate at best), however you can find excellent replacements on the market for whatever you need.
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I couldn't agree more. The Honeycomb browser is horrible and I can't even believe it still has not been improved. Opera Mobile is a million times better! The feature to change the user agent to "desktop" alone makes it worth it.
No Honeycomb tablet can compare to the iPad 2 in terms of fluidity and smoothness. I can tell you from personal experience that Ice Cream Sandwich is the first version of Android that can compare to iOS devices in terms of smoothness and fluidity of the UI (yes, it's still not as fast as iOS, but for me it has finally reached the threshold of what I would consider to be smooth). I've used iPads and iPhones before and I know what you're talking about when it comes to responsiveness and smoothness. It's IMO the best part of iOS, and I'm willing to admit that even though I prefer Android. I've also used Android tablets, and nothing running Honeycomb can compare, point blank. Including the Transformer Prime. Anyone who tells you their Transformer Prime has as much UI fluidity, smoothness, and responsiveness right now is either lying, has low standards, or has never used an iPad before.
Wait until ICS to decide for yourself if the Prime is speedy enough. I have a HTC Sensation, and for me my phone has never been up to my standard of what reasonably smooth is until I installed a beta AOSP ICS ROM. Now, I'm not referring to anything other than speed when I say wait for ICS. I'm not going to tell you that ICS will magically fix certain problems the Prime is having like Wifi and GPS issues.
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No Honeycomb tablet can compare to the iPad 2 in terms of fluidity and smoothness. I can tell you from personal experience that Ice Cream Sandwich is the first version of Android that can compare to iOS devices in terms of smoothness and fluidity of the UI (yes, it's still not as fast as iOS, but for me it has finally reached the threshold of what I would consider to be smooth). I've used iPads and iPhones before and I know what you're talking about when it comes to responsiveness and smoothness. It's IMO the best part of iOS, and I'm willing to admit that even though I prefer Android. I've also used Android tablets, and nothing running Honeycomb can compare, point blank. Including the Transformer Prime. Anyone who tells you their Transformer Prime has as much UI fluidity, smoothness, and responsiveness right now is either lying, has low standards, or has never used an iPad before.
Wait until ICS to decide for yourself if the Prime is speedy enough. I have a HTC Sensation, and for me my phone has never been up to my standard of what reasonably smooth is until I installed a beta AOSP ICS ROM. Now, I'm not referring to anything other than speed when I say wait for ICS. I'm not going to tell you that ICS will magically fix certain problems the Prime is having like Wifi and GPS issues.
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I understand that Honeycomb does not take advantage of multiple cores where ICS does. That would explain the difference if correct.
keitht said:
I understand that Honeycomb does not take advantage of multiple cores where ICS does. That would explain the difference if correct.
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That's an extremely simplified explanation, and one that's not necessarily true.
For a while, a popular topic of discussion going around about ICS was that ICS incorporates hardware acceleration and multi-core support, whereas Honeycomb and Gingerbread don't. That was all pretty much dispelled by a well-known post from a Google engineer who explained that that was just a popular misconception, because Honeycomb already offers hardware acceleration and multi-core support.
If you asked me why ICS is faster, I think it boils down to 2 things: 1) it's just an overall cleaned up OS, and 2) it makes better use of the hardware available. It's not that it makes use of hardware which previous versions of Android didn't do at all (as pointed out, Honeycomb did have hardware acceleration and multi-core support), it's that I believe it will make better use of hardware. I'm not a Google engineer and so this is just a conjecture, but I'm fairly sure that you can be confident ICS makes better use of multi-cores. I think it's entirely reasonable to suggest that because Google knows one of the primary advantages of iOS is speed, and also because essentially all high end Android devices today are multi-core. If Google went into the development of ICS with the goal of making it a faster OS in order to close the gap with iOS, and they went into the development with the knowledge that essentially all devices that would use it would be multi-core, then they certainly put some effort into making better use of such hardware.
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That's an extremely simplified explanation, and one that's not necessarily true.
For a while, a popular topic of discussion going around about ICS was that ICS incorporates hardware acceleration and multi-core support, whereas Honeycomb and Gingerbread don't. That was all pretty much dispelled by a well-known post from a Google engineer who explained that that was just a popular misconception, because Honeycomb already offers hardware acceleration and multi-core support.
If you asked me why ICS is faster, I think it boils down to 2 things: 1) it's just an overall cleaned up OS, and 2) it makes better use of the hardware available. It's not that it makes use of hardware which previous versions of Android didn't do at all (as pointed out, Honeycomb did have hardware acceleration and multi-core support), it's that I believe it will make better use of hardware. I'm not a Google engineer and so this is just a conjecture, but I'm fairly sure that you can be confident ICS makes better use of multi-cores. I think it's entirely reasonable to suggest that because Google knows one of the primary advantages of iOS is speed, and also because essentially all high end Android devices today are multi-core. If Google went into the development of ICS with the goal of making it a faster OS, and they went into the development with the knowledge that essentially all devices that would use it would be multi-core, then they certainly put some effort into making better use of such hardware.
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Sounds close to the same thing I said except in a paragraph instead of a sentence!
The prime in its current honeycomb state, especially after this most recent update, is right on par with the UI fluidity of ipad1 or 2. as I own one also. I stayed with ipad1 because ipad2 wasn't a big enough jump all around to jusitfy dishing out for a new one. I have used the new ones extensively also though. I am constantly using my devices day n and day out so I have a good scope of how they compare. If you decide to get the Prime, it would be a great choice. there have been some issues that has arised for some people but overall doesn't affect everyone. going from ipad2 to a Prime would be a huge upgrade all around the board. definitely check out the various threads, good ones and bad one, and be the judge. you have my vote for getting the prime though. as an Ipad owner also, ipad1 or 2 can't compare because of the larger number of things and customizations that comes with Prime and Android. Apple puts out some great products but you have to live by their rules in their closed ecosystem. with Android, there is alot more freedom. you have to jail break I devices just to do half the things Android does right out the box. that's what sold me on Android. what sold me on the Prime was its Superior Display, best out of any tablet period, the great battery life, best out of any Android tab and on par with ipad2 battery life, superior specs-more powerful by far than anything out now and more than likely next few months down the road. then you have the perfectly integrated keyboard dock option which even has built in battery and extends battery life eveb further. no other manufacturer has been able to replicate that as good. plus Asus has a proven track record of putting out firmwares the fastest and keeps supporting devices.
good luck on deciding.
I just can't thank everyone enough for their kind and genuine responses..
This type of feedback is exactly what I was looking for.. I hate to admit it but I was not aware of the Opera browser. I tried Dolphin on the G-Tab which is very fast on my Photon and thought maybe it was related to the G-Tab. Now I know..
What I take from the responses is that ICS will certainly be something that will take advantage of the Primes true capabalitites. I am willing to give and take.. not one sided and understand that some things will be better and some not so much but the majority of my use is really plain browsing and e-mail. I don't do gaming at the moment so the real thing I want to maintain is a snappy browser and UI.
Sounds like I need to keep the Prime on the list for sure.. thanks again.. really could not ask for more than the true feedback here and not some bias article on the net.
Cheers & Happy New Year to ALL!!
Stan
ok so my prime came yesterday and I haven't had much time to use it yet so don't take this as a real comparison.
So far the only thing worse about it is that hineycomb has a few hiccups sometimes. It hasn't annoyed me but then again maybe it will down the road. Also I pad 2 has a slightly faster browser but its really not a deal breaker. With opening and closing apps they are pretty much the same.
I'll update as time goes on and when ics comes out.
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ok so my prime came yesterday and I haven't had much time to use it yet so don't take this as a real comparison.
So far the only thing worse about it is that hineycomb has a few hiccups sometimes. It hasn't annoyed me but then again maybe it will down the road. Also I pad 2 has a slightly faster browser but its really not a deal breaker. With opening and closing apps they are pretty much the same.
I'll update as time goes on and when ics comes out.
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make sure to update device to latest system firmware. 33. it speeds things up and fixes alot of bugs.
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That's an extremely simplified explanation, and one that's not necessarily true.
For a while, a popular topic of discussion going around about ICS was that ICS incorporates hardware acceleration and multi-core support, whereas Honeycomb and Gingerbread don't. That was all pretty much dispelled by a well-known post from a Google engineer who explained that that was just a popular misconception, because Honeycomb already offers hardware acceleration and multi-core support.
If you asked me why ICS is faster, I think it boils down to 2 things: 1) it's just an overall cleaned up OS, and 2) it makes better use of the hardware available. It's not that it makes use of hardware which previous versions of Android didn't do at all (as pointed out, Honeycomb did have hardware acceleration and multi-core support), it's that I believe it will make better use of hardware. I'm not a Google engineer and so this is just a conjecture, but I'm fairly sure that you can be confident ICS makes better use of multi-cores. I think it's entirely reasonable to suggest that because Google knows one of the primary advantages of iOS is speed, and also because essentially all high end Android devices today are multi-core. If Google went into the development of ICS with the goal of making it a faster OS in order to close the gap with iOS, and they went into the development with the knowledge that essentially all devices that would use it would be multi-core, then they certainly put some effort into making better use of such hardware.
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optimization is the name of the game. so far with most devices that have early builds of ICS on them, everything seems faster, so theoretically the prime should scream.
just a couple weeks and we'll see.
as to the OP's question, i've played with an ipad2 and owned an ipad1, i feel like with a few tweaks (change the launcher, use a different browser) the prime is just as fast if not faster than the ipad2 for most things even on HC.
iOS def has android beat when it comes to the amount of tablet optimized apps and games though, hopefully android will pick up the pace after ICS helps to unify the phone/tablet fragments. i am quite impressed with the tegra3 optimized games quality and fluidity though.
just was given a hp tp. i currently own a ipad 1. i want to sell one of the... the ipad will sell for more. How does a hp tp on cm9 compare? iIuse the ipaf for web browsing and YouTube only.. sometimes hulu and a couple games.
The best thing I like is the battery. iI charge it onceevery few weeks. It just never dies. how does the tp compare?
keep whichever you are happier with
touch pad for the win. tp with cm9 blows the doors off a first gen ipad hands down. there isnt even room for argument. i can go into all the specifics and details but just do the right thing and sell the icrap.
Agreed!
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if battery life is a big deal and you don't do much with a tablet.. keep the ipad.. you will not be happy with battery of the hptp
I can't stand Apple products because of their restrictions and how the company is run (patent trolls), so I'd probably take a TP over an iPad 4 (if I had to use them and couldn't sell). But from a neutral point of view here is my opinion.
The 1st iPad is not receiving updates anymore, its stuck on iOS 5. But there is a vast library of apps that will run on it but I'm not sure how the Apple ecosystem works with unsupported devices. Meaning if an app gets a new version that requires iOS6 is the iOS5 version still available or does it get pulled, on Android its up to the dev. Officially the Touchpad is also done receiving updates and WebOS has a lot fewer apps than iOS. Its great for Youtube and web surfing as both WebOS and Android have Adobe Flash. Flash Android and you'll get many more apps but it won't be as stable of an OS so you may have to deal with some random reboots and battery drain, but its not that bad.
For pure hardware, the Touchpad is much better than the 1st iPad. It has much more RAM, a camera, and a dual core processor. If you want something with a stable OS and a lot of apps keep the iPad. If you want something that runs a stable OS with limited apps plus the ability to boot other ROMs with more apps and customizability, go for the Touchpad. For me, half the fun of the Touchpad/Android is the ability to tinker and customize.
Stick with the ipad, it'll feel faster. While the hardware in the TP is better than the ipad 1, Apple really has the 60fps-everything-drawn-by-GPU thing going for it, which makes everything else feel dirt slow in comparison. Better specs don't mean much when the experience is subpar.
I think the iPad 1s have had statistically better scores on graphics benchmarks compared to many of the top performing android tablets, probably because of it's software and anti-multitask (don't quote me on that). If you don't want to think too much or love the 3rd party support keep the iPad. But the touchpad does wonders for the price since it has better hardware besides graphics. Plus with camera almost fully functional on cm9 you can oovoo and stuff
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Stick with the ipad, it'll feel faster. While the hardware in the TP is better than the ipad 1, Apple really has the 60fps-everything-drawn-by-GPU thing going for it, which makes everything else feel dirt slow in comparison. Better specs don't mean much when the experience is subpar.
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I'd disagree. The Touchpad is very quick and smooth. I wouldn't say it feels like dirt compared to an iPad 1. Far from it.
If you want a 100% "no thought no effort" experience, stick with the iPad. The TouchPad still has some "quirks" though it is 99% there.
If you prefer more free apps and Google's services, then you're a Droidhead and you'll put up with that 1% of "issues" and keep the TouchPad.
The big advantage to the touchpad is dual booting, webos and Android.
You won't get good battery life in android, but you will in webos.
There are still cm9 nightlies being put out for the touch pad, even though now they are more like weeklies. Dorregaray has put out a camera patch that works with the official nightlies, so now you have a camera available for Android.
If all you'll be using it for is emails, websurfing and video watching, I would recommend the touchpad. You can do all that perfectly well in webos and have a great battery life. If you want a better selection of apps, then use android, even though the battery life won't be as good.
You need to know more techie stuff with the touch pad, whereas the iPad just works, as the apple adds say. But I enjoy the touch pad much more than the iPad. I have access to 2 touch pads and 2 iPads, so I have compared them before.
Whatever decision you make you'll be fine. They're both good tablets.
Good luck.
the dual boot webos/droid is a big advantage, as previously stated.
when im home i use droid for all features.. networking, printers etc..but battery life is bad..
if i take hptp out, i use webos to use the internet, email internet radio etc..
plus, i have kalemsoft player to let me access my home pc media to watch movies etc... and still get good battery life..i can video skype ..
I tried to keep up with WebOS but after a year or so I just gave up. I haven't booted to WebOS in some time now. I own an iPhone 4 and two Android Tablets. I've come to prefer the flexibility that Android give you and have been able to do anything I do on my iPhone on my tablets. If all the OP is doing is what they described, it doesn't really matter what tablet they keep but it's nice to know that there is still custom ROM development going on with the HP Touchpad and I personally think it is a lot more fun to own a tablet that keeps me interested in development, flashing new ROM's and keeping up with the forums.
Stick with iPad 1 and just jailbreak for added functions
I say get sell the ipad ... iOS has become so basic if u happen to be under 13 stick with the basics that apple gives you with their cheap hardware but I got to give it to them they know how to make a lot out of their products... I personally will sell both and get a galaxy note 10 or a Asus transformer
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sell both of them, acquire ipad2 or an asus tf300 lol. I'm an android guy, but I do recognize that the ipad is very smooth and really good for people who don't like to tinker, or aren't very tech savvy. My parents have an ipad2 and it's still a very good tablet, and its buttery smooth.
The asus tf300 prices are dropping fast, and a really good bargain for what you get (micro SD slot, quad-core tegra 3, fast updates from asus, good screen). If you like to tinker a bit, you'll like the tf300.
CM9 has gotten so mature on the Touchpad I sold my iPad3 for it.
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iIuse the ipaf for web browsing and YouTube only.. sometimes hulu and a couple games.
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Pretty basic needs-
1) iOS Safari will feel pretty smooth and is quite fast- the stock AOSP browser for CM9/10 is also quite good (nice features like incognito / auto-login / request desktop site). You also have other options on Android (Dolphin is fastest, has nice gestures. Chrome has nice sync features, seems a little buggy though (may have been fixed in yesterday's update).
2) The Android Youtube app is phenomenal far superior to anything available on iOS (Protube doesn't come close).
3) Games run surprisingly well on the Touchpad. Check out Dead Trigger- you will be impressed!
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The best thing I like is the battery. iI charge it onceevery few weeks. It just never dies. how does the tp compare?
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Battery isn't bad. I would say its definitely not the iPad's equal, but its reasonable and the Touchstone is very nice.
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So to answer your question, based on your needs and my experience I would sell the iPad. Install -SGA-'s custom ROMs or try out Jelly Bean. The community's dedication to the HP Touchpad has really won me over to Android. Very impressed to say the least.
If optimized (supercharged, 1.5ghz, 30-40% up threshold in setcpu) the Touchpad with CM10 will completely outperform the 1st iPad in general web browsing, it is much closer to (even surpassing) the iPad 2. Not to mention it has 4x the amount of ram of the iPad 1 and 2x the amount of the iPad2, that means more tabs and apps open without reloading when switching from app to app.
The app store is an advantage for the iPad as there are still a lot more apps compared to the Play store. Also, the battery on the Touchpad is not going to come close to any iPad.
I know that benchmarks don't usually mean much but here are a few anyway..
1.7ghz PA 2.99
And to compare with a recent some recent tests by Toms Hardware and AnandTech
The Touchpad has really improved over the last few months.
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Stick with the ipad, it'll feel faster. While the hardware in the TP is better than the ipad 1, Apple really has the 60fps-everything-drawn-by-GPU thing going for it, which makes everything else feel dirt slow in comparison. Better specs don't mean much when the experience is subpar.
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This has been almost completely fixed with JellyBean.
twentythreemx said:
just was given a hp tp. i currently own a ipad 1. i want to sell one of the... the ipad will sell for more. How does a hp tp on cm9 compare? iIuse the ipaf for web browsing and YouTube only.. sometimes hulu and a couple games.
The best thing I like is the battery. iI charge it onceevery few weeks. It just never dies. how does the tp compare?
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I like my touchpad as I have an android phone so I can use all the same google apps on both abd don't mind putting the tp on the charger every other day. My brother and his wife both have macbooks and iphones so they took their touchpads back and purchased ipads.