Is the a compatible Bluetooth Controller - AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717

Wondering if there is a Bluetooth Controller out there that will work with the Note? Since it is a nice big screen, wanted to try out some emulators with it.
From what I have read, the Wiimote Controller app won't work with newer Samsung devices... So that one is out.

The Wiimote controller not working is a damned shame. I just bought one last month for my rooted Nook Color (which I don't use nearly as much anymore with this baby).
The other options (I know of) that you can explorer would be finding a PS3 Dualshock controller like this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0015AARJI/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&m=A302LUH0HSUQW7
However, you must be rooted to use a Dualshock controller. You could try using the OnLive controller, but that only works with the OnLive app.

tjw345 said:
The Wiimote controller not working is a damned shame. I just bought one last month for my rooted Nook Color (which I don't use nearly as much anymore with this baby).
The other options (I know of) that you can explorer would be finding a PS3 Dualshock controller like this:
However, you must be rooted to use a Dualshock controller. You could try using the OnLive controller, but that only works with the OnLive app.
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Is there a link to get the dual shock controller working? Everything I've found is outdated.
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I have the ps3 controller working all you need is the sixaxis controller app from the play store (Market) in the description there is also a program you need to download to your computer to reprogram the controller so i syncs with your phone and not your ps3. It's pretty easy took me about 5 mins. Only downside is there is no free version of the app so you have to pay or *cough*acquire it*cough*.

With the PS3 Sixaxis app and controller... you have to be rooted. Or so that is what I have read.
Not sure if I want to root just yet. I am afraid it will somehow pose problems when ICS is released.

moviecouple said:
With the PS3 Sixaxis app and controller... you have to be rooted. Or so that is what I have read.
Not sure if I want to root just yet. I am afraid it will somehow pose problems when ICS is released.
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Rooting itself won't hurt the update, but removing any system apps, or freezing, will cause an update to fail.

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game Controler

I bought a PS3 controller to hookup to my Prime but realized that I need a USB port. Since the adapters are back ordered from Asus and Amazon does not carry it I tried to use a USB hub and plugging in the PS3 Controler and ASUS USB into it. That did not work. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get a Gaming controler to work with the Prime without a USB adapter.
WOW Guess I am not the only one looking for them since EBAY is able to sell them for 45$ each.
Download the SixAxis Compatibility checker to see if the Prime works with the PS3 controller.
Then Download SixAxis.
xAnimal5 said:
Download the SixAxis Compatibility checker to see if the Prime works with the PS3 controller.
Then Download SixAxis.
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That app requires root access though.
As fas as I know, there are only two ways. The dock or rooting the TP.
xAnimal5 said:
Download the SixAxis Compatibility checker to see if the Prime works with the PS3 controller.
Then Download SixAxis.
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Root is needed for sixaxis so not possible
tylermaciaszek said:
Root is needed for sixaxis so not possible
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Ah, my bad...
my understanding is the bluetooth PS3 should work regardless of the dock. I know you bought a wired but maybe you could take it back and get one of the wireless ones?
I intend to root and install SixAxis to connect my PS3 controller.
ModestMuse23 said:
I intend to root and install SixAxis to connect my PS3 controller.
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You can't root razorclaw only works on the first firmware version tablet shipped with and you are forced to update
I have the wireless PS3 Controler but other then having root access I cannot find a way to sync without having a USB connection.
I miss my Zoom. It was great having all standard inputs.
I can't believe Asus is turning into the next Apple...
Why would they block Root access? If anything, it only encourages more sales. They're telling us what we can and can't do on our devices that we paid for.
xAnimal5 said:
I can't believe Asus is turning into the next Apple...
Why would they block Root access? If anything, it only encourages more sales. They're telling us what we can and can't do on our devices that we paid for.
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I'm sure Asus is not aiming to block root access it will get rooted no doubt
Because people do crazy things after they rooted their device, and unroot it and return to aus asking them to fix it under warranty. Im guessing they'll do it the HTC way where you give up on warranty when you root.
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Because people do crazy things after they rooted their device, and unroot it and return to aus asking them to fix it under warranty. Im guessing they'll do it the HTC way where you give up on warranty when you root.
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That's the way it should be. If you brick it, you buy it. haha
I also bought a PS3 controller after hearing all the hype about how the prime supports most console controller.
It will not work at all unless you use a usb cable and connect it to the dock (or have an adaptor). Once ICS comes out it is suppose to support the ps3 controller (lets just hope they mean bluetooth support).
The gamestop bluetooth controller that came bundled with my prime is a joke and a total POS.
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I also bought a PS3 controller after hearing all the hype about how the prime supports most console controller.
It will not work at all unless you use a usb cable and connect it to the dock (or have an adaptor). Once ICS comes out it is suppose to support the ps3 controller (lets just hope they mean bluetooth support).
The gamestop bluetooth controller that came bundled with my prime is a joke and a total POS.
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Why is that? I just ordered one
I agree on the controller. For the most part its OK but for snes emu its a hair behind in sync. It's also very light plastic and would prefer a wireless controller from a company that makes consoles and gamepads for a living. I can get a sale on the ps3 controller for about the same if not less (40$ with bundle)
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Per Mark who runs the Asus Facebook page in response to my question on this:
"As far as I know at this point, wireless in the works, and wired is working for sure. Will keep you posted if I get any new info. -Mark, ASUS"
Link:
Well... I am apparently not yet to link to another page. PM me for link of conversation.

Adding console controllers?

Just received my transformer prime, and currently updating it to ICS - so far everything's great ^_^ I'm really keen to try using my PS3/Xbox/Wii controller with the tablet, but can't find instructions on how to pair any of them anywhere - anyone got any ideas?
I wasted money on a PS3 controller to do just that. Then found out that its not compatible (via bluetooth) with the prime.
I have ICS and had to finally root it to be able to use my PS3 controller with bluetooth, using a third party app, but its a pain to setup each game for it.
Wiimotecontroller on the Market allows you to pair a Wiimote to the Prime via Wi-Fi. It's free but can be a pain to set up every time you want to use it. Also, as above there is an app called Sixaxiscontroller (Paid) which allows you to pair your PS3 controller to the Prime but it does require you to root. There are also some third part controllers out there such as Gamestop's own tablet controller.
Cheers but I thought it was meant to have out-the-box compatibility with these controllers?
I believe the compatibility was only wired (USB)... not wireless
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/24/ice-cream-sandwich-supports-usb-game-controllers-and-hdmi-turns/
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Cheers but I thought it was meant to have out-the-box compatibility with these controllers?
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You have to connect it via the USB in the dock for it to work out-the-box.
There are some wireless USB dongles that work with some controllers.
Needing root for wireless PS3 controller support is across all of Android. I don't have the technical explanation, I just know that you have to be rooted for the pairing applications to work.
Just get this. It's for the Trasnformer, but I would assume it would work on the Prime. Same connector.
I put the wrong link. But there is an adapter that provides a USB port. I just can't find it. lol
For example, what sort of game controller would you need to make this work. I'm guessing you can't use the PS3 one over USB? Does the cable just transmit power but still connects via bluetooth to the PS3?
TheNostaw said:
Just get this. It's for the Trasnformer, but I would assume it would work on the Prime. Same connector.
http://www.amazon.com/Asus-90-XB2UO...Q350/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1326380879&sr=8-1
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Unless I am missing something...that is a SD card adapter. Not sure what it has to do with game controllers? Wrong link?
Is there any way to make a wired Xbox360 controller work?
tomrobbo26 said:
For example, what sort of game controller would you need to make this work. I'm guessing you can't use the PS3 one over USB? Does the cable just transmit power but still connects via bluetooth to the PS3?
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Pretty sure the PS3 Controller works perfectly fine when you pair it with the Prime via USB, it's just via Bluetooth i.e no dock/adapter that you have to root it.
Here it is.
http://www.excaliberpc.com/607966/asus-external-usb-adapter-for.html
Moothead2 said:
Pretty sure the PS3 Controller works perfectly fine when you pair it with the Prime via USB, it's just via Bluetooth i.e no dock/adapter that you have to root it.
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Awesome. If I'm not let down by a third merchant tomorrow and actually receive my Prime I will give it a go!
I played riptide and used my PS3 controller wired to the dock and it worked great. I want to use it to play other games as well though. I haven't found any other ones just yet though. Any one have any suggestions?
doeboy1984 said:
I played riptide and used my PS3 controller wired to the dock and it worked great. I want to use it to play other games as well though. I haven't found any other ones just yet though. Any one have any suggestions?
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I'd suggest getting a few emulators on your Prime, FF7-9, Crash Bandicoot 1-3 and Resident Evil 3 all work near flawlessly on my Prime other than a few audio issues. I'm waiting for a fully tested root before I go ahead a root my Prime so no PS3 controller for me yet and a Wiimote to play PS1 games sucks
TheNostaw said:
Here it is.
http://www.excaliberpc.com/607966/asus-external-usb-adapter-for.html
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That price is a bit too hefty in my opinion, especially when I can get a compatible controller for ~$10 more which is all I'd be using the adapter for.
Moothead2 said:
I'd suggest getting a few emulators on your Prime, FF7-9, Crash Bandicoot 1-3 and Resident Evil 3 all work near flawlessly on my Prime other than a few audio issues. I'm waiting for a fully tested root before I go ahead a root my Prime so no PS3 controller for me yet and a Wiimote to play PS1 games sucks
That price is a bit too hefty in my opinion, especially when I can get a compatible controller for ~$10 more which is all I'd be using the adapter for.
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Well, I like my PS3 controller. I would rather just grab the adapter and use a controller I'm familiar with. Just personal preference.
TheNostaw said:
Well, I like my PS3 controller. I would rather just grab the adapter and use a controller I'm familiar with. Just personal preference.
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Just realised there's a very easy to use Root for the ICS Prime in the Development section. Rooted and installed Sixaxiscontroller and my PS3 controller is working perfectly. Definately recommend doing this than buying the adapter but I can understand why people wouldn't want to root .
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Just realised there's a very easy to use Root for the ICS Prime in the Development section. Rooted and installed Sixaxiscontroller and my PS3 controller is working perfectly. Definately recommend doing this than buying the adapter but I can understand why people wouldn't want to root .
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does that allow you to use the PS3 controller via bluetooth.
doeboy1984 said:
does that allow you to use the PS3 controller via bluetooth.
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Yup . Don't forget to read the instructions though.
Moothead2 said:
I'd suggest getting a few emulators on your Prime, FF7-9, Crash Bandicoot 1-3 and Resident Evil 3 all work near flawlessly on my Prime other than a few audio issues. I'm waiting for a fully tested root before I go ahead a root my Prime so no PS3 controller for me yet and a Wiimote to play PS1 games sucks
That price is a bit too hefty in my opinion, especially when I can get a compatible controller for ~$10 more which is all I'd be using the adapter for.
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A little OT, but are your final fantasy's really pixelated and blocky with your emulator?
GatorsUF said:
Is there any way to make a wired Xbox360 controller work?
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I have not tried the ASUS USB adapter, but it should work with the wired xbox360 controller.
I have tried using the wireless controller, with the charge-n-play kit plugged into the TF201-DOCK, which is supposed to make it equal to a wired controller, and that does not work. I do not have an actual 360 wired controller.
On the recommendation of others, I even bought the USB/BT JoyCenter app from the Market, and that did not work, though I suspect that I could use one of my Wiimotes now (I don't like that controller though).

Working controller?

I'm looking for a controller to use with my att
note. What are my options? I used to use the Wii mote with classic controller on my old iPad. It didn't work the same here. I see these female usb adapters do they work using a ps3 and or xbox controller? They all say Android 3.0 or higher. Or how bout the Gamestop wireless controller. I have all the consoles so i rather use a controller i already have if possible. Btw I'm looking to play gta3 and emulators snes nes gba.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1547994
Section 10. Controllers
Connect Xbox360 Wireless Controller to Android Devices --- Receiver --- XBox360 Controller
Connect WiiMote to Android --- WiiMote --- Android App for WiiMote
Connect PS3 to Android --- MicroUSB Host --- Sixaxis controller app
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I havn't tried any yet, but it's a start. You may want to try one or two then post a controller specific thread to catch the attention of those who already have tried and done what you are working on. Hope that helps.
Well i read wii mote doesn't work with touchwiz our something. i just figured there had to be someone who has had some progress. I don't wanna be buying things if it doesn't work right now. They all say honeycomb 3.0 our higher for usb host.
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h3r3tic said:
Well i read wii mote doesn't work with touchwiz our something. i just figured there had to be someone who has had some progress. I don't wanna be buying things if it doesn't work right now. They all say honeycomb 3.0 our higher for usb host.
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I've seen it work, but that has always been on custom ROMs, not sure if the use of a wiimote is restricted to custom ROMs due to proper BT drivers being cooked into them or not. I never really had any desire to try it, but you're making me curious now as I have a Wii with all the toys and add ons that no one touches anymore.
Well there isn't many roms yet. I did try saurom with the wiimote and it wouldn't fully sync. The remote was found but kept blinking and just shut off. Is there a usb host on the g note? Does the female adapter work. Cause i have seen the gs2 with that working on stock ROM and this phone isn't far from that. It would be awesome to use the xbox wireless receiver.
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h3r3tic said:
Well there isn't many roms yet. I did try saurom with the wiimote and it wouldn't fully sync. The remote was found but kept blinking and just shut off. Is there a usb host on the g note? Does the female adapter work. Cause i have seen the gs2 with that working on stock ROM and this phone isn't far from that. It would be awesome to use the xbox wireless receiver.
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I havn't read anything about it, but it sounds like your the perfect guinea...err i mean beta tester!
Ha ha real nice. I was certain someone else has wanted this and tried this besides me. Without games my phone is a.... Ew phone lol. I don't wanna talk to people i wanna play. I'll have to try it i suppose.
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Have you tried Bluez IME?
I had wonderful luck with that, but then again I was running CM7. It becomes a keyboard input, and the android thinks you have a bluetooth keyboard.
Give that a shot.
I no longer have a wii to try it out on :/
Im using sixaxis to connect to a ps3 controller with bluetooth.
Running stock rooted.
Edit-to connect the ps3 controller you need the sixaxis app and you need to go to their website and get software for your windows pc(you will also need ps3 controller drivers), then connect the controller to your pc and use the software to edit the mac address to our phones bluetooth, the sixaxis app will show what your mac is.
They may have the same software for linux or macs, I do not remember.
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Cool! I'll try tomorrow
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hiddenforce said:
Im using sixaxis to connect to a ps3 controller with bluetooth.
Running stock rooted.
Edit-to connect the ps3 controller you need the sixaxis app and you need to go to their website and get software for your windows pc(you will also need ps3 controller drivers), then connect the controller to your pc and use the software to edit the mac address to our phones bluetooth, the sixaxis app will show what your mac is.
They may have the same software for linux or macs, I do not remember.
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Is it wireless? That'd be pretty funky to have to hook your ps3 controller into a pc in order to play on your phone.
I suggest a 6ft. Mini-USB cable attached to your laptop pc with a USB extension cable and placed on your favorite coffee table or flat surface. Add to that the HDMI cable for the note, and you have a pretty cool setup. Would it be practical? No. But would you earn major geek cred points?
You betcha.
Wait this is only to set it up at first right? After that i can use the ps3 controller at will? Without the pc.
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On the atrix I could use the Wiimote perfectly fine. Unfortunately I believe it's a problem with newer galaxy s phones. I tried almost every app but no go so far.
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keilbaca said:
Have you tried Bluez IME?
I had wonderful luck with that, but then again I was running CM7. It becomes a keyboard input, and the android thinks you have a bluetooth keyboard.
Give that a shot.
I no longer have a wii to try it out on :/
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Downloaded this, just haven't tried it yet.
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Ok so the ps3 controller works flawlessly.wiimote won't work with touch wiz devices on stock ROM. Bluez ime don't work as far as i know unless i just don't have a supported controller. I couldn't get it to sync anything but for the ps3 remote just download sixaxis from the play store and the sixaxis pair tool from dancing pixels website on pc and connect the controller through usb cable, change the Bluetooth mac address on the controller and it will sync right up. This works for all games and emulators with on screen touch pads. I can now play all n64 snes nes games with a ps3 controller and gta3 sonic cd reckless racing all work amazing. Its the most useful controller app I've seen yet. Best part combine this with mhl hdmi out and you have a portable console in your pocket. Still haven't figured out multi player though.
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most usb controllers should work as long as USB HID drivers work correctly. the issue would be button assigning. now that you've mentioned this ill give it a try with my old gamepad.
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Deafcyclist said:
I am currently planning to purchase a lapdock for my atrix this Aug 7 when I will hopefully get enough birthday money for this (just can't spend outside of budget right now). I am trying to find out whether it is possible to use an usb based controller for emulators. The reason why I want the USB based one is to save on cost and be able to use the same controller on my bluetooth-less laptop for the PS2 emulations.
to clarify, I do NOT have any usb controller right now so I am looking for two things,
Do usb controller works with lapdock?
if so, which controller comes recommended?
Bonus point if the controller is tiny and have all of the controls that a playstation controller have.
P.S.
If this is just impossible, I'll just go with the bluetooth Nyko Playpad,
http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/05/nykos-playpad-and-playpad-pro-android-tablet-controllers-hands/
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PS2 Emulation? On an Atrix with lapdock?
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Deafcyclist said:
no, PS2 emulation on my Toshiba Laptop. PS1 emulation on my atrix/lapdock. This is why I want a controller that I can switch between the two anytime I need to. Unfortunately, my toshiba laptop do not have bluetooth :crying:
If PS2 emulation on an atrix ever come to pass, I would love it! but I honestly doubt it. In the meantime, I want to be able to play basically everything from Playstation 1 and earlier games.
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Wow, this is kind of eerie, and lucky for you at the same time. I just recently decided to buy a PS3 controller for me to use for FPSE on my Atrix using Sixaxis Controller app. It works perfectly, and it's connected using bluetooth. I use the PS3 controller even when my Atrix is mounted on my Lapdock, still using Sixaxis Controller. So, to answer your question, Get a PS3 controller, 'cause it'll work on your Atrix while using Lapdock. As a bonus, you can charge the PS3 controller via USB on the lapdock (which is what I do.) The best part is, it also works perfectly on a Windows PC using the DS3 tool. I use the same PS3 controller to play PS2 games on my PC. I can even help you out in setting it up if you go through with it. Hope this helps. And sorry if what I said is a little confusing. I just got excited 'cause I was wondering the same thing as you, just a few weeks back.
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my logitech gamepad did not work, no sign of it on android, but i only tested it with hd dock and neutrino rom. im not on blur for now but maybe on the weekend ill test it with blur.
for those who have ps3 controller, is it OEM or third party? i was thinking of getting one but i have a wii and got classic pro which works great on n64oid, much better joystick sensitivity than wii64 with gamecube controller.
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So the PS3 controller can connect to my laptop via usb?
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The PS3 controller connects to your phone via bluetooth. It's more convenient in my opinion, compared to hooking it up to your lapdock's USB port. I know it's not exactly what you're looking for, but i think it's a better solution. Your thoughts?
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el_venga said:
my logitech gamepad did not work, no sign of it on android, but i only tested it with hd dock and neutrino rom. im not on blur for now but maybe on the weekend ill test it with blur.
for those who have ps3 controller, is it OEM or third party? i was thinking of getting one but i have a wii and got classic pro which works great on n64oid, much better joystick sensitivity than wii64 with gamecube controller.
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For the PS3 controller, it has to be a Genuine Sony Dualshock 3 or Sixaxis. Otherwise, you'll have a problem connecting it to Sixaxis controller, the app used to pair the controller to your phone. I haven't tried using a Wii controller, or any other controller for that matter. I decided to try the PS3 controller, and it works excellently for me.
I know the wiimote works just fine, i even have the gamepad connected with it, and use it for my snes games and whatnot. look up Wii Controller IME by Ryan Frawley in the store. =]
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that was my concern all along, not being compatible with sixaxis. ill just wait until i really want one. not very much of a cellphone gamer. i have dslite and 3ds.
@Deafcyclist
it is possible ics has even more drivers, so i might test it later. as i recall to pair ps3 controller with sixaxis a PC is required, its through usb. i suppose it can be used like you want it.
edit: testing new jellybean alpha and my logitech gamepad works, both joystick and dpad. i have not tested any game yet but its good news native usb gamepad support.
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I am okay with connecting to the atrix/lapdock with bluetooth, my main concern is whether I can connect a PS3 controller directly to my TOSHIBA LAPTOP (not the lapdock) via usb. I know that a PS3 controller have a mini-USB port for charging, but I'm not sure if this can be used to get the PS3 to connect via USB. If this is the case, then this controller may be perfect for me in pretty much every way except for it's size (I wanted some really tiny controller, heh)
el_venga, I wonder if CM9 have better USB support in general? I'm using Jokersax's CM9.
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I'm pretty sure it'll connect to your laptop. I'm using mine on my MacBook Pro running Windows 7 via USB to play PS2 games and such. As long as you have the correct programs to run it, I'm confident that it'll work.

Gaming on my TV

What apps/equipment etc do I need to play games on my Note on my TV and use the PS3 controller as the controller?
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You need an MHL Adapter and an HDMI cable to view your device on your TV. The MHL Adapter needs to be compatible with your device. You can get one cheap on Ebay but add the name of your device in the search kind of like this MHL ADAPTER GALAXY NOTE. To use the PS3 controller you will need a real Sixaxis controller not a knockoff and you will need an app called Sixaxis Controller from the market. Install the app and follow the directions or you can do a google search to get the directions on how to setup the PS3 controller cause u have to hook the PS3 controller to your PC and change the bluetooth mac address before it will work.
Since it looks like you have BOTH the PS3 and the TV, why not play with the PS3 instead?
Just a heads up. I've only had luck getting this to work on ICS ROMS(or gingerbread). I haven't been able to get the MHL adapters to work with Jellybean ROMs. I might be the only one here.
Now if they could only get Vice City to work for us......
fbauto1 said:
Since it looks like you have BOTH the PS3 and the TV, why not play with the PS3 instead?
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For the novelty of being able to do it
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For the novelty of being able to do it
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That lasts about ten seconds.
fbauto1 said:
Since it looks like you have BOTH the PS3 and the TV, why not play with the PS3 instead?
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He might not have a PS3 and/or isn't trying to play PS3 games on the Note (I don't even think that's possible).
I say that b/c I am guilty of both myself. I bought a PS3 controller just to play games on my phone. The adapter is laggy for games though, only good for movies IMO.

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