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Hey guys :]
So a lot of you probably don't know who I am because I am a Droid and Droid 2 rom developer for the rom Epic or Epic Unleashed. I wanna bring my rom Epic Unleashed to the Fascinate but I dont have the funds to afford one. I am asking if you, the Fascinate community can you please donate so I will be able to but a Fascinate and develop custom roms for all of you. I would refund all the money not used to the people who donated it. If you would like to donate please click here and donate as much as you would like. Mods and/or admins please do not take this thread down because I want to get a Fascinate to make all your phones better :]
Thanks!
Matt4542
Here are some links to my work:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=784917
http://www.droidforums.net/forum/epic/76232-epic-3-5-august-30th-download-cookie.html (download links need to be updated)
Matt4542 said:
Hey guys :]
So a lot of you probably don't know who I am because I am a Droid and Droid 2 rom developer for the rom Epic or Epic Unleashed. I wanna bring my rom Epic Unleashed to the Fascinate but I dont have the funds to afford one. I am asking if you, the Fascinate community can you please donate so I will be able to but a Fascinate and develop custom roms for all of you. I would refund all the money not used to the people who donated it. If you would like to donate please click here and donate as much as you would like. Mods and/or admins please do not take this thread down because I want to get a Fascinate to make all your phones better :]
Thanks!
Matt4542
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Just a little knowledge to the users that are out there. Right now we don't have a real ability of installing custom roms anyways, just hold on until we get a working kernel source so that we have a custom recovery. Then do what you want with your money.
I agree. Far be it from me to tell people how to use their money, but at this point we can't even get the compiled kernel from Samsung's source to boot.
If anyone out there is confident in their ability to release a product, I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest purchasing the device up front (credit card?), and asking for donations after releasing the product. Just my opinion.
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I agree. Far be it from me to tell people how to use their money, but at this point we can't even get the compiled kernel from Samsung's source to boot.
If anyone out there is confident in their ability to release a product, I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest purchasing the device up front (credit card?), and asking for donations after releasing the product. Just my opinion.
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Gotta agree 100%.
I'm also a little gun shy after I donated to help buy a Droid for the guy on another forum who then got distracted by other projects.
On the other hand, I'm sure Koush and Cyanogenmod get donations they haven't even asked for.
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Gotta agree 100%.
I'm also a little gun shy after I donated to help buy a Droid for the guy on another forum who then got distracted by other projects.
On the other hand, I'm sure Koush and Cyanogenmod get donations they haven't even asked for.
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Lol, yeah, don't want to get Jaked.
LOL get Jaked. That's funny as hell. I remember when I first got my DINC that tool had a ton of people following him and was basically full of **** and made a million claims he didn't back up. I wad one of the ones who donated and supported his BS so getting jaked is real.;-)
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Actually I am a developer on the D2 and D1, I dont promise things that I would not be able to do. If you can or want to please dontate, a recovery will be out soon and I know there isn't one but just wait.
Thanks
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I agree. Far be it from me to tell people how to use their money, but at this point we can't even get the compiled kernel from Samsung's source to boot.
If anyone out there is confident in their ability to release a product, I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest purchasing the device up front (credit card?), and asking for donations after releasing the product. Just my opinion.
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I would buy it up front but I dont have the money to spend right now, that is why I need the donations to be able to afford the device.
Matt is a cool guy, I used to test his roms on my Droid! Once a recovery is made I will most likely make a donation to ya Matt
je2345 said:
Matt is a cool guy, I used to test his roms on my Droid! Once a recovery is made I will most likely make a donation to ya Matt
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Haha when did you get a Fascinate? Gtalk haah
do you mind if you post some links to your d1 and d2 roms? just so we can see ur work?
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do you mind if you post some links to your d1 and d2 roms? just so we can see ur work?
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Just posted the links on the original post :]
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I would buy it up front but I dont have the money to spend right now, that is why I need the donations to be able to afford the device.
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Actually I am a developer on the D2 and D1, I dont promise things that I would not be able to do. If you can or want to please dontate, a recovery will be out soon and I know there isn't one but just wait.
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Asking someone to buy you a phone so you can develop on it is pretty shady at best, even when you dont seem that willing to help with the actual code. The work you have done seems good, but from what i can tell, you're more of a chef than a dev. I am more a chef as well, i dont know code very well, but am learning. At the moment, our efforts on getting a recovery are turning up at nothing, so asking for people to make a donation to get you a phone that you wont be able to push roms out for yet is just not the way to go. Advertise again when we have a working recovery, if we do get to that point.
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Asking someone to buy you a phone so you can develop on it is pretty shady at best, even when you dont seem that willing to help with the actual code. The work you have done seems good, but from what i can tell, you're more of a chef than a dev. I am more a chef as well, i dont know code very well, but am learning. At the moment, our efforts on getting a recovery are turning up at nothing, so asking for people to make a donation to get you a phone that you wont be able to push roms out for yet is just not the way to go. Advertise again when we have a working recovery, if we do get to that point.
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Actually I am not a chef. I build from AOSP and other things. I know a lot of Java and some C++. I was not able to build from AOSP on the D2 because of several things Motorola has left out. I tried over and over. I am asking to donate so I will be able to get AOSP roms and source build things on this device. If you do not wish to donate do not. I am just asking so I can make roms better for the device when the recovery is booted and released. That is all.
Umm... get donations from the d1 and d2 work that you've already done, buy a Fascinate, create ROMs for that, and THEN (if it's a halfway decent job) people will donate without you even needing to ask them. Why ask people to pay for something that you haven't even done yet but then reassure them it'll happen because of your other work? If what you did with the d1/2 is good then shouldn't you be able to get donations from that? I'm not accusing you of trying to scam people I'm just telling you what seems to make the most sense.
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Umm... get donations from the d1 and d2 work that you've already done, buy a Fascinate, create ROMs for that, and THEN (if it's a halfway decent job) people will donate without you even needing to ask them. Why ask people to pay for something that you haven't even done yet but then reassure them it'll happen because of your other work? If what you did with the d1/2 is good then shouldn't you be able to get donations from that? I'm not accusing you of trying to scam people I'm just telling you what seems to make the most sense.
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Actually I am not getting many donations towards my D1/D2 development :/ I just need some money so I could develop of this device when there is a recovery but people needed to make a big deal out of it :/
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Actually I am not getting many donations towards my D1/D2 development :/ I just need some money so I could develop of this device when there is a recovery but people needed to make a big deal out of it :/
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Well, once again, I'm not accusing you of trying to scam. But you do have to look at this from everyone else's view and realize people are not going to be too quick to jump on this. If there's not much coming in from work you have actually already done then it really doesn't seem like there's going to be much turnout for something that, at this point, is just based on your word.
So what's the exact problem with the recovery? Some threads say that you guys are able to get into the recovery anyway?
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So what's the exact problem with the recovery? Some threads say that you guys are able to get into the recovery anyway?
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the problem right now with the recovery is that we cannot even get a custom kernel to boot, which is the starting point for a working recovery.
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the problem right now with the recovery is that we cannot even get a custom kernel to boot, which is the starting point for a working recovery.
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I probably will be able to help with the kernel. Is there a place I will be able to contact you?
Wondering if someone want's to throw up a complete listing of kernels, roms, etc. like all the other Galaxy S variant forums have.
wait.
damn.
nvm.
I really, really miss my Nexus, but at least I have service now.
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Wondering if someone want's to throw up a complete listing of kernels, roms, etc. like all the other Galaxy S variant forums have.
wait.
damn.
nvm.
I really, really miss my Nexus, but at least I have service now.
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im not the flaming type....but this is really unnecessary.
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im not the flaming type....but this is really unnecessary.
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Isn't that like saying "I'm not the racist type, but...."
Of course it's unnecessary. But there's nothing else to do at the moment on here. It's a little frustrating to see the work in the other variant forums, and to hear crickets and hopes in here.
I KNOW incredible people are hard at work right this minute to fix it, but....
It's looking like we will be last to see Voodoo, last to see Froyo, and last to see CM.
I'm not the whining type, but.....
I'm growing restless. lol.
If you're (the general you, not calling anyone out) interested in development, I suggest joining the IRC channel #samsung-fascinate on freenode. This is where you'll get the most up to date information. (For example, we were testing CWM recovery with Koush long before the first post showed up here).
If you'd like a small project to get you in the swing of things, and you're slightly familiar with linux and can get a VM up and running, you could always download the source from Samsung and learn how to compile your own kernel. I've seen a few people in the channel go from knowing pretty much nothing to getting their kernels compiled. Even if you can't get a linux VM up and running, maybe someone in the channel could help you with that.
Obviously thanks to Samsung, the kernel won't boot, but going through the process will help broaden your knowledge and give you some insight into Android and Linux in general. There's plenty to learn, and there's a wide range of people there with varying levels of expertise.
There are a number of us who have been at this since day 1, and since we "know" each other a little better, we often communicate directly between ourselves. If you pop in the IRC channel and don't see anything, don't take that to mean that no work is being done.
There are some major obstacles to be overcome here, and Samsung didn't do us any favors. We're working a number of things right now, getting the kernel source fixed, AOSP, voodoo, etc.. It will take time, but we're getting there.
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Isn't that like saying "I'm not the racist type, but...."
Of course it's unnecessary. But there's nothing else to do at the moment on here. It's a little frustrating to see the work in the other variant forums, and to hear crickets and hopes in here.
I KNOW incredible people are hard at work right this minute to fix it, but....
It's looking like we will be last to see Voodoo, last to see Froyo, and last to see CM.
I'm not the whining type, but.....
I'm growing restless. lol.
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if you notice i did not flame you... I could have, but i respect you as a xda member... I just said this was unnecessary, because it is. Like namebrandon said, join the irc channel, but starting a topic like that, then just saying some nonsense, really doesnt need to be done... Your a senior member, we need to be a good influence for the new people. Like i said, i've seen you help out and i respect that; but lets try to keep the Android Development to Android Development. If it's something like this atleast file it in general.
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If you're (the general you, not calling anyone out) interested in development, I suggest joining the IRC channel #samsung-fascinate on freenode. This is where you'll get the most up to date information. (For example, we were testing CWM recovery with Koush long before the first post showed up here).
If you'd like a small project to get you in the swing of things, and you're slightly familiar with linux and can get a VM up and running, you could always download the source from Samsung and learn how to compile your own kernel. I've seen a few people in the channel go from knowing pretty much nothing to getting their kernels compiled. Even if you can't get a linux VM up and running, maybe someone in the channel could help you with that.
Obviously thanks to Samsung, the kernel won't boot, but going through the process will help broaden your knowledge and give you some insight into Android and Linux in general. There's plenty to learn, and there's a wide range of people there with varying levels of expertise.
There are a number of us who have been at this since day 1, and since we "know" each other a little better, we often communicate directly between ourselves. If you pop in the IRC channel and don't see anything, don't take that to mean that no work is being done.
There are some major obstacles to be overcome here, and Samsung didn't do us any favors. We're working a number of things right now, getting the kernel source fixed, AOSP, voodoo, etc.. It will take time, but we're getting there.
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I'm one of those people... First kernel i've ever compiled.
and/or you could harass samsung for the kernel signing keys, no coding ability required.
Jesus people. I'll post a ROM if it'll stop all these nonsense threads.
Voodoo kernel is the works also. Coding helps development, not complaining and being sarcastic.
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Jesus people. I'll post a ROM if it'll stop all these nonsense threads.
Voodoo kernel is the works also. Coding helps development, not complaining and being sarcastic.
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really?
you have the signing key for the kernel?
signing key? don't need no stinking signing key. bootloader'll boot any (working) kernel I've tried
HUMAN!!!! YEAH!!! U R EVERYWHERE I LOVE IT!!!
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All fair enough. I know the work is being done, and my lack of dev skills makes it unfair for me to complain. My due apologies for the thread, I think I'm just going through flash withdrawals.
I'll make up for it in feedback, assisting, and donation when we get rolling.
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signing key? don't need no stinking signing key. bootloader'll boot any (working) kernel I've tried
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my bad.
I was misinformed.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=796171
ksizzle9 said:
HUMAN!!!! YEAH!!! U R EVERYWHERE I LOVE IT!!!
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it's wasup_with_u_man....DAMNIT!!!
Yes jt1134, but as your post says, no customer kernel.
Sent from your mom's house via my fascinate.
Not to jack this thread but,....
I LIKE COOKIES!!!
(Will probably make my way onto IRC at some point)
While I suck at Java I debug like kirwoodd's mother in a flea bath.
Daswolven said:
All fair enough. I know the work is being done, and my lack of dev skills makes it unfair for me to complain. My due apologies for the thread, I think I'm just going through flash withdrawals.
I'll make up for it in feedback, assisting, and donation when we get rolling.
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I know what you mean about flashing withdrawls...my Droid 1 i would seriously flash on a weekly base...
Terror_1 said:
Not to jack this thread but,....
I LIKE COOKIES!!!
(Will probably make my way onto IRC at some point)
While I suck at Java I debug like kirwoodd's mother in a flea bath.
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See, now THATS funny.
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I know what you mean about flashing withdrawls...my Droid 1 i would seriously flash on a weekly base...
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Lol, I had it so bad on my N1 I would test every fourth nightly CM release with four different kernels for performance and battery. I think I had about 200 advanced quadrant screenshots to delete.
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Dear Community,
I decided to not continue developing for the x-mini pro for now.
Which basically means I will not release any new ROMs and will not provide any more support regarding the old ones.
The decision has been hard but I just can't put up with it anymore. There is a group of people who are very ungrateful and even send cuss at me to release updates or giving support and so on. I am not a slave and I am doing all of this besides my work, university and life. I am doing this in my freetime and I don't need to put up with this.
This doesn' mean everybody in the forums is like that the most people appreciate the work and thank me so let me return the thank you and thank you guys for your support.
Another reason for me leaving is the fact that my work is being used and modified, which is perfectly fine but using the same and calling it faster or better or tweaked or whatever else and later turns out nothing is changed and no credits annoys me.
Besides that I have been working on basically all the core functionality of RomManager and I feel like the project was taken from me while I had my exams and this makes me sad. However this is the only project I will keep working on as it is MY Baby.
As for all the people who supported me, I want to thank you for the great time I had.
As for my Donators I will provide you with links whenever (I don't know when or if) I make a new version for my personal use. Whatever you do with the link is your free decision. So all Donators thank you very much for your support!! I honestly appreciate it!
If I feel like working on ROM's again I'll let you know but for now I need a break from this.
for me your roms have been a pleasure and ive appreciated everything you have done,,i hope your happy in whatever life brings and wish you all the success in the world,take care
slade87 said:
Dear Community,
I decided to not continue developing for the x-mini pro for now.
Which basically means I will not release any new ROMs and will not provide any more support regarding the old ones.
The decision has been hard but I just can't put up with it anymore. There is a group of people who are very ungrateful and even send cuss at me to release updates or giving support and so on. I am not a slave and I am doing all of this besides my work, university and life. I am doing this in my freetime and I don't need to put up with this.
This doesn' mean everybody in the forums is like that the most people appreciate the work and thank me so let me return the thank you and thank you guys for your support.
Another reason for me leaving is the fact that my work is being used and modified, which is perfectly fine but using the same and calling it faster or better or tweaked or whatever else and later turns out nothing is changed and no credits annoys me.
Besides that I have been working on basically all the core functionality of RomManager and I feel like the project was taken from me while I had my exams and this makes me sad. However this is the only project I will keep working on as it is MY Baby.
As for all the people who supported me, I want to thank you for the great time I had.
As for my Donators I will provide you with links whenever (I don't know when or if) I make a new version for my personal use. Whatever you do with the link is your free decision. So all Donators thank you very much for your support!! I honestly appreciate it!
If I feel like working on ROM's again I'll let you know but for now I need a break from this.
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you're one of the best of this community. I understand how you feel. I hope you change your idea as soon as possible,
Regards
It's sad to see developers leave such a small community but I totally understand your reasons. Good bye and good luck in your future projects
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Besides that I have been working on basically all the core functionality of RomManager and I feel like the project was taken from me while I had my exams and this makes me sad. However this is the only project I will keep working on as it is MY Baby.
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Ok bro no prob with that, if that annoys you, ill just stop working on it, but have this clear, my idea was improving it all i can, helping you, not stealing your idea, seems like it's a sin, so good luck and good bye.
Im gonna commit last changes, and then delete sources, you can delete my svn account
If that made feel you sad, think on all the time I put on rom manager, and now i feel like i lost my fkn time on some that wasn't even mine, and you say was taken from you?
I won't never get my time back again
At least i learned some android programming, and thank you for that.
It is sad that you stop you project6 that we all loved, but I understand that.
Life must go on and that is more important than this.
I have really love your work and will wait and hope that you continue whit it.
I wish you all luck.
Danke.
It has been a great time with you here
Hope to see you back some day
Thanks!
Your contribution has been invaluable Slade, as you well know. Churs for all the awesome, bra.
No man! Why! Plz no! Your the greatest developer! Mini pro development forum without you is you bull****! Your roms are the best! CM6 by slade is the best rom i've used! If people copy your project, edit them and upload u shudnt give a ****! Coz whats original will always be original! Plz man no dont leave, ur the best and most helpful dev! Dont leave :'( :'( :'(
Ok bro no prob with that, if that annoys you, ill just stop working on it, but have this clear, my idea was improving it all i can, helping you, not stealing your idea, seems like it's a sin, so good luck and good bye. Im gonna commit last changes, and then delete sources, you can delete my svn account If that made feel you sad, think on all the time I put on rom manager, and now i feel like i lost my fkn time on some that wasn't even mine, and you say was taken from you? I won't never get my time back again At least i learned some android programming, and thank you for that.
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Another reason for me leaving is the fact that my work is being used and modified, which is perfectly fine but using the same and calling it faster or better or tweaked or whatever else and later turns out nothing is changed and no credits annoys me.
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This also includes froyocomb n cyanocomb
I'm quite new to the posting part of these forums, but I've been running your roms for a while now and really liked em a lot, so would like to say thanks for all the effort you've put in
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This also includes froyocomb n cyanocomb
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Cyanocomb it's not based on cyano or slade's cm6 it's directly based on nAa work, anyway, i give credits to slade for anything from him on my roms, also my rom's have a Real improvement, it's not just text without sense, and froyocomb has been discontinued,can you read before talk?. I don't really know if slade it's talking about my roms, but i dont take him work, and no credits, on all my roms he was part of credits. Also for avoid all this, ill directly use nAa sources, like i did on CyaNoComb.
Also watch the way you write, sometimes people can get it offensive or annoy
thanks.
Thanks Slade for all great work you made!
Life continue, and I hope other devs will continue making mini pro roms...
Slade... thankyou for all your hard work. Those who keep plaguing you for updates aren't worth their salt. I started as a novice and managed perfectly fine with your ROMs, every update was a pleasure worth waiting for.
Good luck with your exams and your future!
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Thx Slade for all the nice times,
You learn me how a theme is working and how you can change it, you give me the spirit to do it !
Again Thx for the great roms what i can use for daily .
I hope your exams results are perfect because that is a important base for life.
Good luck and happy life !
Mika
( when you see a fault in my english fix it for your self)
Oh **** ! There goes another one. I can't for the love of everything that's holy understand why some people can't follow a handful of basic, common sense i might add, rules. The worst part is that everyone must now pay for a bunch of idiots who couldn't keep their mouths shut.
Really nice work Slade, u made a difference. Good luck in school and if u have a change of heart u know where to find us. All the best to you mate !
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Thanks for all the good roms n everything.
Hope you have a great life n I hope to see you again.
Thanks!!!
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Holysh*t I'm not gonna let you retire, man.
Just enjoy your vacation and come back after that! I will have some gifts for you at that time
Slade: All the best with whatever you do. You have some serious skills at this, and I hope one day you can find your way back to our humble device.
**** the haters. They're not even worth your time.
Enjoy your vaction/retirement/whatever-you-want-to-call-it.
All the best.
Thank you for all the hard work slade, and good luck in whatever you decide to do next! It makes me genuinley sad that you're leaving, but as I browse around in these fora, I do understand that you feel unappreciated...
Remember though, that some of us read alot more than we write in here, and therefore go quite unnoticed, as opposed to the fellas that post before they think. But we exist and appreciate your work alot! Take care mate.
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The poll is multiple choice
This thread was prompted by a post that I read in another thread. It seems as if some members feel that development hasn't really taken off and another member suggested that it would be cool if some of the devs that are currently working on things (in their own time) would at least check in and let the community know that they still have some love
Please only vote if you're currently working on something and in your post, please let us know what you're currently working on and the status of your project (no ETA's).. for example:
A kick ass dev said:
Working on porting MIUI.
Status: my wife smashed my laptop cuz I didnt take out the trash so progress is on hold
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Members, please do not ask for ETA's... Devs despise this... Remember, the devs that are working on projects do so for the love of the hobby and on their spare time. Make sure you're hitting that thanks button. sometimes its the only 'payment' that they really want.
Please keep this civil
Thanks for checking in
methinks your going to get a lot of trolls clicking vote
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methinks your going to get a lot of trolls clicking vote
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well I have the best of intentions..
Good to see Rob is working on a ROM and we got another dev working on CM7..
Was hoping this would be a sticky and the devs working on their own projects would at least post w/ what they're working on (no ETA's though LOL)
still cool that we have some participation .
and if trolls screw this up, they can go outside and play a friendly game of hide and screw themselves
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and if trolls screw this up, they can go outside and play a friendly game of hide and screw themselves
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LOL
I'm working on feature set expansion providing I can get some coders behind it. I intend to do all the projects that I had planned for the Evo that fell through. Enhanced dock, tablet, carpc and a couple others are on the list but we will see.
im hoping with cm7 ported i can bug dreamsforgotten to show me how to make team brissen's mod, it has the sgs toggles in it and its all aosp
This is a great thread. It helps alot knowing that things are in the works. Maybe the natives won't be so restless.
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thanks for posting this and devs thanks for your efforts on making a great phone better.
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This is a great thread. It helps alot knowing that things are in the works. Maybe the natives won't be so restless.
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This was the reason why I created this thread.. to give those that believe all hope is lost, a peek behind the scenes so they realize that there IS still some love for this Mo-Pho'kin device hahaha
Thanks for this thread, it is just what we needed.
Just a few questions I have for you guys over the last couple months I've seen alot of Miui threads openend and ICS opened?
Are you really considered a developer if you just switch a few files from a rom that a actual developer build from source and made it boot on our phone?
Reason I ask because I've talked to a few developers and they tell me that it sucks how porting a miui, ICS rom has become so easy when it took them hours to build from source?
Just want get your guys insight
Not taking shots at no one so don't start crying about it and tell me it took you hours when there are threads everywhere on how to port these.
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None of my work counts as development so copypasta porting doesn't count. If it does, then what I did with the deblur/debloat script should count as a universal ROM for moto android devices.
I've heard people complain about copy and paste devs for a long time. Had alot of drama over it when I had the epic. Bottom line is it still takes know how. You have to know what and where to copy. And it still takes a lot of time. And some of the best roms I've used were from so called copy and paste devs. As long as they give credit to where it came from. Most devs learn from looking at what someone else has done anyway. Bottom line the more roms and devs the better. I appreciate your work here, but I see nothing good coming from a thread like this. No affense.My 2 cents.
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now I'm in no way crying but,.....what's the deal bud.....we do alot more than copy paste my friend every rom I do gets smali edits, I have to decompile/recompile several jars in different builds **** in gummy I have to edit the entire framework.jar just to get market working.....is it built from source, no, do I work hard on it without a doubt yes, i can't understand why you needed to open a thread to try to debunk my work..... reason I say my work .... I worked on miui, bill does it now, and does a pretty damn good job of it too..and you think its only copy paste getting miui working.....lol....that one is a beast of its own...takes several several changes to get our to just freaking boot.....I'm working on 4 ics based on the photon and 4 for the atrix.......and for both phones requires several edits ..... i mean seriously all we're doing is allowing more choices more options more roms..... I think you have a very wrong idea of what actually is done on these roms.....**** if it were only as easy as copy paste ....don't ya think we'd have had more of these roms sooner and made by different people, only reason miui got here is yepitsme gave up I picked up slack and took of with it then handed her off to bill.....so again I say whats the deal bud....should be happy our aging phone is seeing so much activity....now I do apologize if I have went out of line here but I couldn't help but feel a, little attacked here directly....and by two of the guys I freaking looked up to on here....all I can say is wow I guess I should just close my threads then since porting doesn't count..... and to say don't cry and tell you it took hours cause there are guides............who made the thread in the first place and the purpose of it is?? I'm in no way crying but not going to be called out like this and not respond, which your a very smart guy so I know that you knew exactly what would happen in opening a thread like this....sometimes it does take hours copy/paste you have no clue.....every new cm9 joker puts out we have to flash each lib one at a time to se e which one isn't playing nice,.but thats just copy pasting isn't it, edits to the build prop, updater script.....smali edits to numerous files, jars,apks....but thats just copy paste too I guess.....or maybe its how at times we flash each rom several times and troubleshoot each issue everyone has not just release and say nothing....but thats just pasting too....you really have no clue maybe should read a couple of those guides you are reffering to cause even in them they tell you this isn't all you have to do...**** some of them even say I can only point to what might work not that this guide works for every phone no matter what...
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I see points for either side of the coin but a discussion like this will not be good for the Photon forum. To have developers/contributors against themselves is exactly what has happened in other threads and it never ends up a positive for anyone. I feel there is a place for all kinds of work as long as no work is being stolen and credit is being given. It allows for more options and benefits us all. We could all debate this further but I think we know where this would be heading.
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Just a few questions I have for you guys over the last couple months I've seen alot of Miui threads openend and ICS opened?
Are you really considered a developer if you just switch a few files from a rom that a actual developer build from source and made it boot on our phone?
Reason I ask because I've talked to a few developers and they tell me that it sucks how porting a miui, ICS rom has become so easy when it took them hours to build from source?
Just want get your guys insight
Not taking shots at no one so don't start crying about it and tell me it took you hours when there are threads everywhere on how to port these.
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Are you really considered a developer is you forget sh and root in a rom?
remember, we arent taking shots.. just wanna know how it took hours and yet forget stuff like that. dont be willing to start a fire if you cant handle the heat.
bottom line is this as far as im concerned, i could give two craps less about miui, or any of the other cm clones. however i think (most of them) they bring something to the table. and give people choices, if the users really thought it was crap they wouldnt use it..
after working with so many prepaid devices and telling the users that if they want stuff done for roms/kernels then they need to find a dev to get the phone, or one of them needs to step up. so to see more and more people on the photon jump up to help is really nice and reminds me of why i loved this community so much (yes even you willysp ;P ).
if someone isnt making the roms then youd have threads of people complaining cuz they wanted them, so more people are happy in the end because they are made as well as offering choices.
i could go into more but as it is this thread is gunna turn enough into a blood bath so ill try to at least keep my part in it as civil as possible
So I can learn?.... Ok. I really do wanna learn but I think they def need to give credit to the originals. But if they don't like something of one ROM and decide they wanna change it and then let others take it for a spin, whose to stop em?
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RockoDev said:
Just a few questions I have for you guys over the last couple months I've seen alot of Miui threads openend and ICS opened?
Are you really considered a developer if you just switch a few files from a rom that a actual developer build from source and made it boot on our phone?
Reason I ask because I've talked to a few developers and they tell me that it sucks how porting a miui, ICS rom has become so easy when it took them hours to build from source?
Just want get your guys insight
Not taking shots at no one so don't start crying about it and tell me it took you hours when there are threads everywhere on how to port these.
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Let me set the record straight:
FIRST AND FOREMOST: I DO NOT CLAIM TO BE A DEVELOPER.
SECOND: MIUI is NOT just cut and paste. If I had SOURCE for it, I would BUILD it SOURCE. As MIUI has NOT released it, I CANNOT do that. I DO PORT it, and I label it as such. But, to act like all I do is cut and paste, you're way off base.
1) I have to edit the framework files just to get it to fully boot with service/data, and the options that the users of my build have grown accustomed to. I have to test libs each time that Joker releases a new CM9, as not all are compatible.
2) I have to test libs with each MIUI release, as they often build with ARM7b, which is NOT compatible with our beloved Tegra 2 processor.
3) I then make 2 versions (Aroma based and CWM flash).
4) I credit everyone whose work I used to do what I do. That being said, if I port something, you're darn right I should get credit for the work I do.
5) The reson SO MANY (2) MIUI threads have popped up is that Spleef initially started the ports. At a point in late March, I took over doing the ports and he took to other roms. I have been asked recently by MIUI.us to start a separate thread so that I can keep the OP up to date and standardize it to the format that they wanted.
Now, on to my other CONTRIBUTIONS:
1) Fixes thread-yes, may be slightly out of date, but it's helped a LOT of people
2) How-tos thread-sure...I need to add more to it and plan to when I get the time.
3) Anyone here like Kitchen Sink? I ask as Joker and I have spent HOURS working together on that rom getting it to where it is. Not to mention if you use version 2.11, then you're using something I assembled, as it was done while Joker was on away on Vacation.
4) I am usually found on ALL the Photon/Atrix threads helping people with their issues ranging from flashing issues to data issues, etc.
5) Check out how many ROMs I've helped on.
Another thing, I don't have the title Developer...and didn't apply for it. I am a Contributor. I CAREFULLY examined the criteria for each and decided that I would apply for being a Contributor as I DON'T at this time do SOURCE work.
Funny how someone who isn't doing source either would put "dev" in their name when they don't seem to have a single source-built item to their credit, then have a problem with what I do.
Funny that I count there are 3 Rocko-rom variants 2.3.5 posted. See me starting a thread to ask why you have so many Blur based roms?
I would personally LOVE to have the opportunity to talk to ANY of the DEVS you cite as having an issue with the fact that I port MIUI.
moparfreak426 said:
So I can learn?.... Ok. I really do wanna learn but I think they def need to give credit to the originals. But if they don't like something of one ROM and decide they wanna change it and then let others take it for a spin, whose to stop em?
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your absolutely right anyone can do this it just takes some patience and a little knowledge....we give credit, thanks, and links to every rom we port over..... I'm guilty of forgetting things in roms. I know I am, sometimes things get forgotten or ill use the wrong damn file...lol.....I'm not taking shots or trying to start no crap but I woke up this morning to this thread and couldn't believe what I was reading.... I mean hell rocko rom was jokers originally and look at it now, we all start some where, true I don't do source right now.......but thats not to say I never will I've had joker trying to teach me for a while now but we live our lives so time is short
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shabbypenguin said:
Are you really considered a developer is you forget sh and root in a rom?
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Not sure who did that...we had an issue with SU in MIUI on one build due to incompatibility with MIUI and the 0.6.whatever SU xbin
Th3Bill; said:
Funny how someone who isn't doing source either would put "dev" in their name when they don't seem to have a single source-built item to their credit, then have a problem with what I do.
Funny that I count there are 3 Rocko-rom variants 2.3.5 posted. See me starting a thread to ask why you have so many Blur based roms?
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I'm not trying to pick any sides in this because I like both of your work, but damn he got you.
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shabbypenguin said:
......reminds me of why i loved this community so much (yes even you willysp ;P )........
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Why in the world are you taking a shot at me in this thread?
I think, this thread is something, that shouldn't be here. It's all about choices. I don't like the ROMs of all devs here, so I made my own. But I am still glad they are here. And I appreciate their work.
Think I saw in the new evo thread that Rocko is heading there. Maybe triing to stir the pot before he leaves? Personaly I would like to see this thread closed.
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bricky23 said:
Think I saw in the new evo thread that Rocko is heading there. Maybe triing to stir the pot before he leaves? Personaly I would like to see this thread closed.
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AMEN!
A developer is anyone who developed something for Android. Themes, roms, hacks, root methods, modifications, even scripts. Just because someone doesn't build from source doesn't mean they don't bring something to the community.
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willysp said:
Why in the world are you taking a shot at me in this thread?
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lol was just poking fun at ya man hence the
jokersax11 said:
A developer is anyone who developed something for Android. Themes, roms, hacks, root methods, modifications, even scripts. Just because someone doesn't build from source doesn't mean they don't bring something to the community.
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Can I get an AMEN
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shabbypenguin said:
Are you really considered a developer is you forget sh and root in a rom?
remember, we arent taking shots.. just wanna know how it took hours and yet forget stuff like that. dont be willing to start a fire if you cant handle the heat.
bottom line is this as far as im concerned, i could give two craps less about miui, or any of the other cm clones. however i think (most of them) they bring something to the table. and give people choices, if the users really thought it was crap they wouldnt use it..
after working with so many prepaid devices and telling the users that if they want stuff done for roms/kernels then they need to find a dev to get the phone, or one of them needs to step up. so to see more and more people on the photon jump up to help is really nice and reminds me of why i loved this community so much (yes even you willysp ;P ).
if someone isnt making the roms then youd have threads of people complaining cuz they wanted them, so more people are happy in the end because they are made as well as offering choices.
i could go into more but as it is this thread is gunna turn enough into a blood bath so ill try to at least keep my part in it as civil as possible
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No!!!!! I am not have never claimed to be.....
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To those that may be offended by my position let me clarify. I was on the Evo for the first price drop. A ton of ROMs suddenly appeared that were no more than a font or color change by folks claiming to be devs. To me, simple edits like that are not development or ROMs. I've seen the same with themes, swap a font and call yourself a dev. There are script releases by "devs" that all that was done was change the device name or partition location. To me none of that stuff counts as honest development.
Another example is ROMs from the JoyOS port guides. Copypasta and a couple build.prop edits and look you have JoyOS. That in itself is not development to me. Now if you have to go through and do framework/smali edits to get it to work, that's a whole different story. That requires know how, skill and time.
spleef, Th3Bill and others, I'm sorry if you took my previous post personally. I consider you guys a dev and your work is well beyond anything I have released. Digging around in the code to get things to work is not easy. There are many with contributor titles really should read developer. (again, in thinking about it I really am not one of them). I was also speaking about android as a whole and not specifically the photon forum.
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A developer is anyone who developed something for Android. Themes, roms, hacks, root methods, modifications, even scripts. Just because someone doesn't build from source doesn't mean they don't bring something to the community.
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I can't speak for others but I agree with you on this only to a point. It goes back to the first paragraph in this post. To me, a font change or other very minor changes isn't development. I'm speaking in general however. When it comes to the Photon specifically, there's a lot of actual deving being done and folks that are very deserving of dev status (again, I am not placing myself in that category).
To All,
A lot of crap has happened to me personally over the past couple months. My attitude is lousy at best and I think it time I walk away for awhile. If I have offended I am sorry. Feel free to grab any of my work and run with it. I also have the following unfinished projects up for grabs;
2.3.5 sudo-Blur ROM with root ODEXed and De-ODEXed built straight from the 2.3.5 leak. (USB is intermittent but not sure if its the phone or the ROM)
webtop+ 2.3.5 leak (missing apps)
Copypasta JoyOS port (never connects to service)