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I went to my local Best Buy tonight and tried out the device. I wasn't too impressed with the speed of it, but a BB sales rep pointed out that the device is slow because it is on 1.6. So I tried accessing Marvel.com to read a digital comic, which failed due to lack of flash. The rep told me to try it on the Galaxy Tab, which he said was much more powerful than the Streak. I was able to pull up a comic on Marvel.com using the Galaxy browser and when I tried reading the comic, the screen went grey and showed an exclamation point in the middle. The sales rep started downloading an update and then tried it. I was able to open a comic, but again, when moving to the next panel, a greyed out box with an exclamation point. The rep told me that the device probably needed to have Flash 10.1 to be downloaded to make it work. At this point, I just left thinking that Froyo and Flash is useless on Android for Marvel.com. Can anyone please tell me if they are able to read a free digital comic on Marvel.com where the screen does not go grey with exclamation points when navigating? Is the BB rep correct, in stating that it probably just needs Flash 10.1 downloaded to work correctly? If so, then I definitely want to get the Streak.
Also, does Netflix work on the Streak with Froyo and will movies encoded for the iphone/ipad using Handbrake play smoothly on the Streak?
I have 2.2 froyo with 10.1 flash player on my streak. I tried loading a digital comic and it got thru the first 2 pages, but the 3rd page was the gray exclamation point. I was running on att's hsdpa 3g, so idk if it would've performed differently under wifi.
However, idk if its flash player or simply the streak being unable compute all the data from the marvel flash site.
Netflix is currently incompatible with any android versions. But that is netflix's fault for not developing an android app, though i hear they are currently working on it.
Man, I really appreciate you taking the time to check it out for me! You saved me a lot of time, money and frustration! The Streak is a sweet device, but I think I will wait until the hardware catches up to do the things I want. Thanks again for that feedback
No prob. I think its more software related than hardware though. Just wait for the dual core or even quad cores that will spring up the rest of 2011 if hardware perf is top priority.
On my Streak it looks a little small and it gets a little sluggish,I am sure it is software related.I do not think this toy would be your best option.
By the way very cool website.
I'm running Froyo 2.2 v 1.5.3 by DJ Steve. I have had this version installed for over a month now. I have tried 1.6.1 and 1.5.2 but, have found 1.5.3 to be the best for me. I just went to Marvel.com and had no problems reading a comic via wifi. I suspect your problems are AT&T's ****ty 3G service. Run a speed test, as did I, and you will probably find the same or similar sub par up/down streams. As far as hardware, a quick run of quadrant will benchmark your hardware. Mine scores better than any other phone it is compared to. I do, however, have experience with Linux (what Android is based on) and would consider myself an advanced user. Simply installing the ROM is not enough. The device settings must be optimized, similar to a PC when you buy it new, the Streak is set up to keep the most people happy (ironic, I know). What you must do is make it YOUR StreakDroid through custom mods, the first of which is deciding what ROM you are going to use. I was initially pissed at AT&T and Dell (I have come to believe it was AT&T politics) for slow walking the Dell software upgrades and wanted to return the phone. After flashing/rooting my StreakDroid and freaking it my way I couldn't be happier. i~CON
Don't forget kids, every time someone buys an i~Phone, GOD kills a kitten!!
Okay, now you have me thinking again! So, you went through an entire digital comic on froyo 2.2 with no crashes or problems? Do you think it would work smoothly on an unlocked Streak direct from Dell on wifi?
I can't say that I remember the last time my streak crashed while on the internet with either wifi or 3G. I use the internet for many things, any of which could cause a crash but, does not. I view flash, read news papers, watch movies, read e-zines, and even have the kindle app for books (they have comics there too i believe). Marvel.com was no exception. I have an AT&T locked (well, it was at one point) and it all works just fine. I have found most bugs and complaints about DJ Steve's ROMs to be the hardware sitting in front of the screen having unresolved conflics with different programs/apps. It is not enough to say you have the greatest PC on the planet. You must be able to answer the question, when asked : What can you do with it? Bottom line is experiment and learn. Run Linux Ubuntu live on your windows box and learn Linux. Consequently you will learn Android and PC in general. You will become a better user and will be able to do so much more with a lot less. i~CON
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You have me very interested in the Streak. Honestly- if I already have an iPhone 4, how does the Streak fill the gap for an iPad? I used to have the iPad but gave it to my wife. I was thinking about getting the iPad 2 but thought if reading on the Streak 5 was decent, I would probably prefer the Streak because it is more portable and I could swap my sim card to take advantage of my unlimited AT&T data plan. Am I way off base thinking the Streak would keep me happy with a 5" inch screen?
Does the factory unlocked version allow the Streak to be used as a wifi hotspot for tethering?
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You have me very interested in the Streak. Honestly- if I already have an iPhone 4, how does the Streak fill the gap for an iPad? I used to have the iPad but gave it to my wife. I was thinking about getting the iPad 2 but thought if reading on the Streak 5 was decent, I would probably prefer the Streak because it is more portable and I could swap my sim card to take advantage of my unlimited AT&T data plan. Am I way off base thinking the Streak would keep me happy with a 5" inch screen?
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I don't think so at all.....I want a do-it-all device that fits in my pocket....with the biggest screen that can still fit .....and the streak is great at this.....after using this phone for a week now,I can't imagine going back to something smaller,and if I have to carry something because it doesn't fit in my pocket....I'm bringin my 17 inch lappy : )
Honestly if you dont have 2.2, u won't like the device. But froyo makes the streak a VERY pleasurable device.
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Unlocked will have mobile hotspot. But manually putting it on a locked streak will do the same.
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Its kept me very happy. I can access a home network server and interface with 5+ machines...all from my StreakDroid. I imaged the ROM into my network so I can reflash it in minutes if i do something too intense. You can do anything you can think of, thats the beauty of open source. You can take it, preferably share your improvements, and do as you please. Good luck i~CON
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Yes it does.
Thanks all! I am going to be a proud owner of a brand new Dell Streak unlocked directly from Dell for $400 plus they are sending me a $50 Dell gift card! This will be my first foray into Android, so I am pretty excited! I am still keeping my iPhone because I have a lot of games that I am not sure if they are available for my Dell and I also listen to a lot of podcasts that I have to daily download on my Air to sync back to my iPhone. This will be my iPad replacement!
I went and tried the digital comics too. I'm a comics geek from way back. I mean, I bought Wolverine Number 1 new. So, I was interested (but not surprised) to learn that comics were online.
The first few I tried resulted in the grey exclamation mark. Then I went into preferences and changed some settings. Now I've read two complete Spiderman comics on my Streak with no problems.
As for the Streak vs Ipad thing... let's face it, the bigger screen of the iPad is always going to be better for reading on. However, I will say this. I too wanted an iPad. Then I got the Streak. For some reason getting an iPad just isn't on my list anymore. I like that I can use the Streak for a phone. I like it can fit in a pocket, so I can take it everywhere with me. I have also found that since I've had it, I've used my laptop less too.
Thanks for sharing that information. I have been having eye strain lately reading off of my iPhone 4 and carrying around my iPad at work was pretty awkward. I am hoping that the Streak will fit the bill as a tablet/phone for me. I will still keep my iPhone, but will see how much the Streak grows on me. I see that there are a few games that may interest me, particularly the ones from Gameloft. What's confusing to me is where do I buy them, how will I know an update is available, will it run from the SD card and can the Streak gpu handle games like the iPhone?
Also, I would be very interested in knowing what settings you tweaked to get the online digital comics working successfully so I can hopefully do the same when my Dell arrives.
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Thanks for sharing that information. I have been having eye strain lately reading off of my iPhone 4 and carrying around my iPad at work was pretty awkward. I am hoping that the Streak will fit the bill as a tablet/phone for me. I will still keep my iPhone, but will see how much the Streak grows on me. I see that there are a few games that may interest me, particularly the ones from Gameloft. What's confusing to me is where do I buy them, how will I know an update is available, will it run from the SD card and can the Streak gpu handle games like the iPhone?
Also, I would be very interested in knowing what settings you tweaked to get the online digital comics working successfully so I can hopefully do the same when my Dell arrives.
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I changed page transitions to "simple" and changed it so it only displays a single page at a time. These are inside the preferences box in the popup when you launch the comic.
As for buying games, the android market is one place, and there are three other android-centric sites for getting apps. As to the update thing, with most apps you can select auto update. I have chosen not to, however. I check about once a day in the market to see if any of my apps have updates. I manually update apps only after looking at reviews to see if the update broke anything with the app. I'm purposely running a few old apps right now.
Some apps under froyo can be moved to the SD card, some can't. And, as for the gpu vs iPhone, I can't really comment as I've never had an iPhone. I have a few friends with iPhones, however, and after letting them mess with the Streak for awhile, 2 of them have ditched the iPhone for the Streak and the rest are thinking about it. I let them all play Asphalt HD on it, show them google maps with traffic and satellite on, youtube, facebook, and a few other apps I have. I guess it is comparable, or they wouldn't all be so interested in it.
I really can't answer that for you. I was looking for the smallest tablet not the biggest phone. I need the phone to run custom apps, be my calander, my mp3 player, a GPS, an E-book reader, amoung other things. I am a very large guy so although big for a phone it fits me quite well. I like it better than the i~phone, I even joke with apple through my online name. For me, the streak is perfect and I would not change it for anything out there current. i~CON
Don't forget kids, every time someone buys an i~Phone, GOD kills a kitten!!
Thought I'd post a contrary opinion (based on many of the threads here and on other sites).
I REALLY like my NT! I've come up Handsprings, Palms, Pres, and iPads, so this isn't my first visit to the rodeo. Currently, I've got the NT and a Sprint Evo 3D.
Yes, out of the box there's some gaps, but a bit of time here and other forums have offered suggestions on side-loading, sync'ing my Evo apps, and tweaking the KT. It's not the end-all-and-be-all pad,but for the price, it does well.
The biggest issue I had was the lack of offline media, since I spend 12-15 hours a week in the air. However, a bit of cross-syncing and I've got my Amazon MP3 library and a couple of pretty good media players.
Am I missing things? Well, I'd really like bluetooth for my freedom keyboard and being able to see my side loaded apps from the main launcher would be nice, but at this moment, I'm finding the KT to be a fine investment.
Oh, and I have moved my new media purchases over to BN. I figure tossing them some bucks only encourages them to keep Nook development going.
I'm really happy with mine too. Its super snappy, feels much more polished than the nook color did. Plus I love reading and reading is an absolute pleasure on this thing.
I absolutely adore my NT, granted its my first tablet, but its ridiculous how much i can do with it for the price i paid. Not to mention it hasnt even been rooted yet!
Ok, I have to ask because I keep seeing things go back and forth:
If one could get a NC or NT for the same price (hypothetically), which would they choose? The rooted NC? Or the "upgraded" NT?
I currently have the NC and I can get my gf to get me a NT for christmas bc she wants my NC. Is it worth the trade?
Well, since I haven't found too much I couldn't do without a touch of effort, I'm not feeling the pain of not being able to root. Sure, it may come later, but, yeesh, I've only had the NT for 3 days!!
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Ok, I have to ask because I keep seeing things go back and forth:
If one could get a NC or NT for the same price (hypothetically), which would they choose? The rooted NC? Or the "upgraded" NT?
I currently have the NC and I can get my gf to get me a NT for christmas bc she wants my NC. Is it worth the trade?
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The nook tablet. The difference in speed alone is worth it, the nook color felt underpowered to me even rooted.
Ditto.
On paper, the specs are simply hardware upgrade...this much B&N got it right. In reality, it makes the the device more responsive and more enjoyable user experience. The jerky delay in NC drove me nuts.
I have owned the xoom, asus transformer, galaxy tab 10.1, htc flyer and got rid of them all. The one reason? The tegra 2 processor. These devices were hamstrung in the video playback department, a fundemental functional of a media tablet. The NT plays the same hd media files i couldn't on these high end devices FLAWLESSLY. If you ask me this alone makes the nook tablet worth it.
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My tablet history has been:
Viewsonic Gtab (Awful. Just awful. Don't ever even look at one)
Nook Color (1.1ghz OC and still slow to my tastes)
Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 (The designer of the Tegra 2 should be impaled as punishment)
Nook Tablet (It does what I wanted except run Google stuff)
What I had wanted was to watch 720p shows in bed or plane or between classes. NT has been the only thing that could do that except my phone (SGS Fascinate).
Even without a root ever coming to be and having to deal with sideloading I still think this is the best tablet I have ever owned. And it's made by a damn bookstore >.>
There some flaws but I bought it mainly for browsing the internet. It really excels at that! I have mainly been using dolphin, not the stock browser. Overall I am extremely satisfied with my purchase. I was at Best Buy today and checked out the kindle fire. It was cool but I really didnt like size of it. I have big hands and like how now matter how i hold my nook its always comfortable. The only thing I really want to change is the crappy keyboard
About the not seeing sideloaded apps, I installed go launcher. From there I use a combo of widget locker, Wave launcher(right side of the screen), and button savior( left side of the screen). I also learned to fear the nook button. I havnt seen the stock nook launcher in over a day now.
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There some flaws but I bought it mainly for browsing the internet. It really excels at that! I have mainly been using dolphin, not the stock browser. Overall I am extremely satisfied with my purchase. I was at Best Buy today and checked out the kindle fire. It was cool but I really didnt like size of it. I have big hands and like how now matter how i hold my nook its always comfortable. The only thing I really want to change is the crappy keyboard
About the not seeing sideloaded apps, I installed go launcher. From there I use a combo of widget locker, Wave launcher(right side of the screen), and button savior( left side of the screen). I also learned to fear the nook button. I havnt seen the stock nook launcher in over a day now.
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I have noticed that using the n button in certain situations (ex: during video in MX Player, certain games) it acts as a back button. Don't fear the n just treat it like a very "special" friend.
I've driven twice to a B&N store and played with the device. As of right now, I still haven't taken the plunge because of three big reasons:
1) I need a web browser that can let me access an Extranet of my work place, and when I used the NT stock browser, the login page button doesn't even show up as a button, but just a jpeg. I know using the Android stock nameless browser, it isn't a problem at all. So it's a huge issue for me.
2) Even if I can get the web browser issue resolved, I am fearful how B&N has the unilateral ability to update the NT without our consent (unless specifically block B&N incoming traffic), we'll lose the ability to sideload and send us back to stone age. (It wouldn't be an issue if root is accomplished)
3) The 1gb user content space wouldn't an issue if we can root it, but now it seems like a huge deal. (Again, it wouldn't be an issue if root is accomplished)
Are my concerns legitimate? I firmly believe the NT could be huge, but right now, we just need to be patient and let our devs gurus find an exploit, or somehow we can get B&N to loosen up the grip on the bootloader.
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I've driven twice to a B&N store and played with the device. As of right now, I still haven't taken the plunge because of three big reasons:
1) I need a web browser that can let me access an Extranet of my work place, and when I used the NT stock browser, the login page button doesn't even show up as a button, but just a jpeg. I know using the Android stock nameless browser, it isn't a problem at all. So it's a huge issue for me.
2) Even if I can get the web browser issue resolved, I am fearful how B&N has the unilateral ability to update the NT without our consent (unless specifically block B&N incoming traffic), we'll lose the ability to sideload and send us back to stone age. (It wouldn't be an issue if root is accomplished)
3) The 1gb user content space wouldn't an issue if we can root it, but now it seems like a huge deal. (Again, it wouldn't be an issue if root is accomplished)
Are my concerns legitimate? I firmly believe the NT could be huge, but right now, we just need to be patient and let our devs gurus find an exploit, or somehow we can get B&N to loosen up the grip on the bootloader.
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Well, issue 2 is definitely legitimate. Issue 1, just go to the store and install dolphin on one of their nooks, see if you can login to work.
Issue 3, if the rumors are true that they will be able to repartition the space in a week or so then, well, not an issue.
if the nook tablets bootloader is truly locked, then say good bye to ever, ever seeing a beautiful custom kernel on the nook tablet to perform tweaks such as overclocking. This also makes it difficult to create custom roms. cyanogenmod 7 is a possibility with 2nd init. cyanogenmod 9 is also a possibility, but unless official ics is dished out to the nook tablet, then we will get cyanogenmod 9 2nd init with gingerbread libs.. Someone should send a rather nasty note to barnes & noble about this.
Re: 1GB usable - It's a legitimate support issue. You (and everyone concerned) should call support and light a fire.
Front-line grunts won't be able to help you (a good thing), so ask to escalate it to as high as you can go. Your first response will be to get the tech's name. Your last response will be, "I'm sorry you can't help me with this issue. Please refer me to someone who can. If no other tech is available, please let me speak to your manager."
Don't get discouraged if you get blown off or hit a dead-end. Redial and retry. Social engineering is about patience and persistence. Always be polite, but firm.
Once you get to someone who knows his bits and bytes, then soften your tone and get friendly. Talk shop. Use the occasion to ask about other techy things, like, eh, locked bootloader. Get whatever info you can, including the dude's extension number so you can call him back.
The strategy is to leverage a legitimate support issue to get info about the things you really want to know. To do that, you'll have to troll their support services, and have some social engineering skill. It's probably best done in a team, but you can be the Lone Ranger if you're good.
BTW, techsupps have scripts, and you should have one as well. Plan everything you want to say in advance, and type them out.
Anyway, at the very least, you will get the 1GB issue logged and escalated.
I honestly don't think they're going to bother blocking this loophole. There's really nothing in it for them but bad press. Currently they can sell a tablet to regular folks, while at the same time offering a tablet that's also appealing to techie types (but without having to advertise it). There's really no advantage in blocking the loophole.
Also I'm wondering: is there NO way to block updates from Barnes and Noble? No way to tell the device to notify before actually updating? I understand that B&N will push out updates without any warning, but isn't there a way that WE can decide to accept them or not? Or is it really just totally out of our hands?
to whooever it was who thought the HTC flyer was running a tegra 2: it's not. It's a 1.5 ghz single core.
So far, the t2 seems fine in conjunction with mx video player and the software decode on the things I've tried it on. but I'm not mostly using a tablet for video, so the fact that a PAL formatted disc image I have makes trouble is ok by me. I will say, though, that the single core chip in the Samsung media player seems faster than the t2 or the (admittedly brief) run I took at an NT this evening. I didn't walk out of BN needing desperately to replace my NC, though - manual nooter, 1.1 ghz kernel, seemed relatively comparable to what I saw, but I wasn't ready to actually test carefully.
The NT is rooted as of today, via zergrush. This should make it possible to redo the partitioning. The bootloader's another issue; I don't know if anyone has tried looking at putting the little guy into fastboot and seeing if oem unlock is an accepted command. It may be. Unlocking it may turn off Netflix support, but it should open up avenues for complete custom ROMs.
On blocking OTA updates: probably fairly simple. D/l the OTA and look at the build id strings in build.prop. Update build.prop on your device accordingly. I've blocked the 1.3 update this way, and it works great.
It will probably not work cleanly for blocking the 1.4 update, though, if that's a Gingerbread update, since to get the block you probably have to tell the device not just that it's running the current BN build, but that it's also running a Gingerbread vintage OS - but I don't know about that.
There are some sqlite hacks for blocking updates as well - setting an autoupdate flag to "false," basically. I'm not sure how well they work, but blocking the update is always a topic of discussion immediately after one's released and no one's figured out how easy it is to pop yet
My real question on the NT is whether it contains a complete recovery image. Very few Android devices are as idiot-proof as the NC. Most of the "recovery" modes I've seen don't offer the ability to return the device to a true stock state. The NC, at least, is fully recoverable.
To me, that makes the NC one of the most useful Android platforms out there, and if the NT can't do that, then it's not really much of an upgrade for me -- I screw things up. Often. Badly.
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My real question on the NT is whether it contains a complete recovery image. Very few Android devices are as idiot-proof as the NC. Most of the "recovery" modes I've seen don't offer the ability to return the device to a true stock state. The NC, at least, is fully recoverable.
To me, that makes the NC one of the most useful Android platforms out there, and if the NT can't do that, then it's not really much of an upgrade for me -- I screw things up. Often. Badly.
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I'm fairly certain that it does have a full recovery image imbedded somewhere. Yesterday I tried in stalling Chainfire (which apparently messes with the filesystem) in order to get full access to the GPU and fool the market, making all apps show up. After installing it, which required a reboot, my NT went into a boot-loop. I could not power it off and with no recovery available I thought I was toast and out of $260. However, after many (10?) failed boots it automatically went into Factory Reset mode and did a complete wipe.
I'm not sure how deep of a tailspin this recovery can get you out of but there is definitely a safety net there.
I have to agree with the OP. I am very happy with my NT. It is very snappy and with the ability to sideload apps I have been able to fill in what I feel was missing. Battery life on this is very good. I did buy this hoping I could boot off an sd card, but if it ends up not possible I will still be pleased with my investment.
Well, it's lunch time so I thought I would take a minute to update everyone on my thread "I F'ed Up!' thread in Q&A. The Photon is back to purely stock, no root, no unlock, notta. I got most of my app's back (I will explain that later!).
Several months ago, I rooted and unlocked the Photon. Over that time, I have had several issues, off and on, that required reboots, battery removal, freezing, ect. that required me to come here for advice and help. After watching several of QBKINGS videos, I decided to go with CW7 and see what all the hype was about.
Things went terribley wrong!!!! (Thanks to all that helped me fix it, you will hear from me soon!) After 1.5 days without a phone, and knowing every which way exactly HOW to fix it, I was sitting down last night and give this one more go. Looking around, I noticed (as I did the first time?), some of the links don't work, some of the videos I had no clue WHAT page I was actually looking at, just said scroll down (Nice videos, I just did not get it?), some were re-directed to other sites. I work in IT, been doing it since 1983. I'm all for Development and embrace progress. Then it hit me? "Why do you want to root, unlock, flash anyway?" Really?
I started planning on this phone 2 months before it came out. It was, and still is, the best "Business" phone on the market just like it is. I use my phone for too much sh*t as it is (too long to list) and 30 minutes without it, expecially job wise, is a riks I cannot take again. So I choose to leave it stock and get back to the basics (Planning on getting a Samsung Galaxy Note anyway)
As I was putting all my app's back, a few things I noticed that may be of help to some of you. #1 and the biggest of all, some of the apps were no longer support on my phone, which likely caused most of my issues anyway. Putting my Apps back, 85% of that sh*t I used ONCE and forgot I had it. I got it because someone else thought it was cool for THEIR needs.
#2. (and I know I will hear an earfull on this), The phone is perfect just the way it is, functionally wise? You want your phone to look different, get another wallpaper! You want unlocked bootloader, Motorola never promised us one! Everyone wants ICS, They never promised you that either, we purchased it that way. We complain about the camera, 8MP is, more or less, Studio quality unless your a Pro and want to blow it up! If so, get a Digital SLR (hell, I was happy with my 3MP HTC Fuze!)I love the 2 threads where Sprint cancelled their contract over Data, then they admitted downloading Torrants. READ THE CONTRACT!!! 4G? I have used it twice in the 1.5 years its been out, 3G loads my web pages OK, every now and then YouTube sputters, so what, so does my laptop!
Personally, Photon is running better than it has in months! So, I'm going to leave it how it is, and better understand and work the functions it already has! He**, even my BT's are working better with Pandora not dropping and me able to answer calls. The only other money I'm spending (and I really don't need it!) is the SanDisk Mobile Ultra 64Gb Micro SDHC I!
I will still be here with jokes and to get knowledge, but not touching "Neo" until a month after Note comes out, then I will pack him up for good!
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Well, it's lunch time so I thought I would take a minute to update everyone on my thread "I F'ed Up!' thread in Q&A. The Photon is back to purely stock, no root, no unlock, notta. I got most of my app's back (I will explain that later!).
Several months ago, I rooted and unlocked the Photon. Over that time, I have had several issues, off and on, that required reboots, battery removal, freezing, ect. that required me to come here for advice and help. After watching several of QBKINGS videos, I decided to go with CW7 and see what all the hype was about.
Things went terribley wrong!!!! (Thanks to all that helped me fix it, you will hear from me soon!) After 1.5 days without a phone, and knowing every which way exactly HOW to fix it, I was sitting down last night and give this one more go. Looking around, I noticed (as I did the first time?), some of the links don't work, some of the videos I had no clue WHAT page I was actually looking at, just said scroll down (Nice videos, I just did not get it?), some were re-directed to other sites. I work in IT, been doing it since 1983. I'm all for Development and embrace progress. Then it hit me? "Why do you want to root, unlock, flash anyway?" Really?
I started planning on this phone 2 months before it came out. It was, and still is, the best "Business" phone on the market just like it is. I use my phone for too much sh*t as it is (too long to list) and 30 minutes without it, expecially job wise, is a riks I cannot take again. So I choose to leave it stock and get back to the basics (Planning on getting a Samsung Galaxy Note anyway)
As I was putting all my app's back, a few things I noticed that may be of help to some of you. #1 and the biggest of all, some of the apps were no longer support on my phone, which likely caused most of my issues anyway. Putting my Apps back, 85% of that sh*t I used ONCE and forgot I had it. I got it because someone else thought it was cool for THEIR needs.
#2. (and I know I will hear an earfull on this), The phone is perfect just the way it is, functionally wise? You want your phone to look different, get another wallpaper! You want unlocked bootloader, Motorola never promised us one! Everyone wants ICS, They never promised you that either, we purchased it that way. We complain about the camera, 8MP is, more or less, Studio quality unless your a Pro and want to blow it up! If so, get a Digital SLR (hell, I was happy with my 3MP HTC Fuze!)I love the 2 threads where Sprint cancelled their contract over Data, then they admitted downloading Torrants. READ THE CONTRACT!!! 4G? I have used it twice in the 1.5 years its been out, 3G loads my web pages OK, every now and then YouTube sputters, so what, so does my laptop!
Personally, Photon is running better than it has in months! So, I'm going to leave it how it is, and better understand and work the functions it already has! He**, even my BT's are working better with Pandora not dropping and me able to answer calls. The only other money I'm spending (and I really don't need it!) is the SanDisk Mobile Ultra 64Gb Micro SDHC I!
I will still be here with jokes and to get knowledge, but not touching "Neo" until a month after Note comes out, then I will pack him up for good!
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Congrats?
My phone works great with 7.2 put it on the day i got it the next day i was skeptical and went back to stock was there for 2/3 of the day and went back to rocco then 7.2 after last update really havent had any problems except for zumocast for some reason.
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My phone works great with 7.2 put it on the day i got it the next day i was skeptical and went back to stock was there for 2/3 of the day and went back to rocco then 7.2 after last update really havent had any problems except for zumocast for some reason.
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Funny you mention ZumoCast, FIRST thing I went for when I got back. It was offline, went on computer, logged off/on, back to Photon, Online! All my music, movies, documents...........Nice! The only thing bad about ZumoCast, at this time, it only supports music playlist in iTunes (odd to me?) BUT...........Google Music, with its 20,000 limit, does support Playlist! Checked this AM and I had moved 12,000 of the 14,500 I requested. I have well over 130Gb of music and did not want to press my limit, so I picked my fav's and will shuffel them as time goes!.
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The only other money I'm spending (and I really don't need it!) is the SanDisk Mobile Ultra 64Gb Micro SDHC I!
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Don't know what your buying SD card for, assuming a cell phone.. But the Photon(and most others i think) wont support anything over a 32gig. Just a FYI. Glad you got your phone up and running again!
I came from the Evo and the Photon is by far a superior phone. My Photon is rooted, themed, and backed up using bootstrap. I've removed some of the Motorola junk and I experience no force closes or random reboots. I also don't have alot of useless apps running in the background either.
What you do with, and to your phone is directly related to how it works.
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Don't know what your buying SD card for, assuming a cell phone.. But the Photon(and most others i think) wont support anything over a 32gig. Just a FYI. Glad you got your phone up and running again!
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I had my doubts also but link has pictures. You have to format to slower FAT32 (Or NTFS) which is 7Mb compared to exFAT claimed 30.........Check out second link, post #12!
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Mobil...UTF8&coliid=ILKNEJIM6E46D&colid=3EHUWCW36Z6IQ
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1473010&highlight=64gb&page=2
dsims7_2000 said:
I had my doubts also but link has pictures. You have to format to slower FAT32 (Or NTFS) which is 7Mb compared to exFAT claimed 30.........Check out second link, post #12!
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Mobil...UTF8&coliid=ILKNEJIM6E46D&colid=3EHUWCW36Z6IQ
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1473010&highlight=64gb&page=2
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Well i stand corrected, learn new things everyday lol cool find!
w0lf215 said:
Well i stand corrected, learn new things everyday lol cool find!
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You? Do you know how much reading I did only to come back here to get shot down? (Several times at that?)Trust me, I got a lesson!
Hello All,
My first post here - I just got my new Asus TF Prime today... Beautiful tablet
I just have a couple of q's - Is there anything I should do first up, after I open it and charge it?
I have to do the upgrade to android 4.0 and I saw the instructions in the Asus TF Prime support page. Is that the easiest / best way? I saw that there are 10 different firmware versions and they do mention instructions on how to get the correct firmware. But for some reason, I find it confusing. Can someone let me know how to chose the right firmware for upgrade? I am in Helsinki, Finland and I got the TF Prime from Helsinki, Finland.
Is it necessary for me to install a security suite on the tablet?
PS., I have seen the wonderful accessories guide here and I plan to get some soon like the stylus / cover...
Thanks and see you all around.. Cheers.
Step 1: avoid trolls/douchebags that flood this forum nowadays....
anyway once you are charged up go into the settings then about tablet and check for new firmware and upgrade to ICS. Then you need to decide if you want to root the tablet or not.
After you update to ICS, do a factory reset, for silky smooth operating...
Congrats
fonduekid said:
Hello All,
My first post here - I just got my new Asus TF Prime today... Beautiful tablet
I just have a couple of q's - Is there anything I should do first up, after I open it and charge it?
I have to do the upgrade to android 4.0 and I saw the instructions in the Asus TF Prime support page. Is that the easiest / best way? I saw that there are 10 different firmware versions and they do mention instructions on how to get the correct firmware. But for some reason, I find it confusing. Can someone let me know how to chose the right firmware for upgrade? I am in Helsinki, Finland and I got the TF Prime from Helsinki, Finland.
Is it necessary for me to install a security suite on the tablet?
PS., I have seen the wonderful accessories guide here and I plan to get some soon like the stylus / cover...
Thanks and see you all around.. Cheers.
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Congrats with your TF Prime!
You probably have the WW SKU, so I guess that is the one you should look at that one (Version V9.4.2.15(WW)
Check the SW version under "settings", but I guess yours will be World Wide Rom.
Enjoy your TF Prime, mine has been ordered today.
Cheers!!!
bluefoam said:
After you update to ICS, do a factory reset, for silky smooth operating...
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QFT
Verry important, and do it before you install anything, saves a lot of time.
Step 2: post thread comparing it to The new iPad
Hello people,
Thanks a lot and lol on some msgs...
I am charging it up now and I will check the SW version in a while.. but on the box, I see "Android WW"... so I assume its the android ww rom?
Also, on the keyboard dock sticker, it says "Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich" - Does this mean it has already shipped with the Android 4.0 OS? Anyway, I will check in the settings once I turn it on.
PS., how do I do the factory reset? From within the settings like in any other android 4.0 OS?
Thanks again and cheers.
PPS., I don't have no iPad and so, no comparison..
The good things:
Check out a few games, they rock on the Prime. There are a number of "THD" marked games that give the 3D performance a workout and show off the hardware and display very well. Emulators, especially with a bluetooth joystick paired to it, work great. Check out performance of video with some good movies. Check out Splashtop (comes with the tablet) and if you're inclined, check out Splashtop THD (basically Splashtop but makes higher resolutions available, and smooooooth streaming for HD files). Decide whether to root, add things like CIFS support for connecting to your home network. Put a new launcher on it, organize your shortcuts into folders, get a new wallpaper on it using wallpaper wizardrii, chat with some friends using Skype or Talk.
The preventative steps, to do while in your return period, and before you decide to unlock it...some of these issues may require RMA or a return/repurchase or selection of a different unit for some people:
-Verify it has a serial number shown in settings, and that you are able to receive OTA updates.
-Check out the overall performance of wifi, decide if it's good enough for your needs.
-Check the performance of the GPS. It likely doesn't perform very well.
-Try pairing a bluetooth headset and listening to streaming music or watching a movie over wireless, check out internet speeds with and without bluetooth.
-Check for light bleed along edges of the screen
-If you plan on using the keyboard dock, check out the various threads on cracked screens and decide if you want to take preventative steps or get an extended warranty, etc.
bluefoam said:
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Agreed. Update your tablet before you install any apps and then do a factory reset. Some people noted software glitches after they upgrade their device and it is much easier to to a factory reset before you install a lot of apps.
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fonduekid said:
Also, on the keyboard dock sticker, it says "Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich" - Does this mean it has already shipped with the Android 4.0 OS? Anyway, I will check in the settings once I turn it on.
PS., how do I do the factory reset? From within the settings like in any other android 4.0 OS?
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To check for an update go to Settings > About Tablet > System Firmware Update.
Even though your tablet shipped with ICS, it might not have the latest update for this tablet.
To reset your tablet go to Settings > Backup & reset > Factory data reset.
Great ideas for new owners. Got plenty to do looking for problems before downloading any kind of applications.
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Step 3: ????
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Step 3 profit!
Seriously though look for dead pixles, bad light bleed (most seem to have this to some extent) and LCD mura (bright spots seen best on a white background.
then site back and enjoy, go see what recommended apps there are for tablets
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Hi People,
Thanks again for the msgs and info.
I checked and it says Android 4.0.3 in settings (and yes, there is the serial number too).
I am yet to connect to wifi / bluetooth and all that. I will soon. Tablet as such looks great - no defects from the outside..
Btw, I noticed that there is no Swype option as an input method?! Is this true or am I missing something here? If there is no swype, then can I just download the Swype Beta from the official Swype website?
As for the apps., I still haven't installed anything yet.. I will in the coming days There are quiet a few essential apps I need to get in as well as get a micro sd card for 'expanded' memory.. lol (I need the micro sd card, because I'll be working with tons of PDFs and other documents).
Anyway, let me see how it goes Cheers..
fonduekid said:
Hi People,
Thanks again for the msgs and info.
I checked and it says Android 4.0.3 in settings (and yes, there is the serial number too).
I am yet to connect to wifi / bluetooth and all that. I will soon. Tablet as such looks great - no defects from the outside..
Btw, I noticed that there is no Swype option as an input method?! Is this true or am I missing something here? If there is no swype, then can I just download the Swype Beta from the official Swype website?
As for the apps., I still haven't installed anything yet.. I will in the coming days There are quiet a few essential apps I need to get in as well as get a micro sd card for 'expanded' memory.. lol (I need the micro sd card, because I'll be working with tons of PDFs and other documents).
Anyway, let me see how it goes Cheers..
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dropbox is a must!
before u rush off and buy an SD card, just to let you know that it sticks out slight giving a rough edge right where i cold the tablet in landscape mode, was quite annoying. just so you know it doesnt sit in as nicely as the blanker does... if u have an SD card kicking around give it a go and see if its annoying before u splash out...
You cant shave anything off the end of the card, ive tried, the silicone chip is so close to the end
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Hawke84 said:
dropbox is a must!
before u rush off and buy an SD card, just to let you know that it sticks out slight giving a rough edge right where i cold the tablet in landscape mode, was quite annoying. just so you know it doesnt sit in as nicely as the blanker does... if u have an SD card kicking around give it a go and see if its annoying before u splash out...
You cant shave anything off the end of the card, ive tried, the silicone chip is so close to the end
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using XDA Premium HD app
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Of course, yes Dropbox, evernote, Adobe reader (or is there anything better for reading PDFs?), Skype, Opera Mobile etc., are all waiting to get in..
Btw, thanks a lot for the SD Card info. Yes, I do have an SD card lying around - I will check that..
Also, in one of my prev posts., I had asked info about the necessity for a security suite - do I need one? I mean, I don't install apps from outside the google android market in any case... still, do I need a security suite?
And does anyone have any idea for Swype?
Thanks again.
You can download the Swype beta from their website. It works quite nicely on ICS now. There are a few steps required to get Swype up and running, including creating an account on their website, downloading an installer, then the installer downloads and installs the Swype app. But it's worth it, IMO.
I've never used a security suite for my Android devices. Just be judicious in which apps you install.
If you don't mind paying a few bucks for an advanced PDF reader/annotator, consider ezPDF or RepliGo.
Step 4. Determine wherever its faulty or not BEFORE your return to retailer window expires, and never,ever rma it, well obviously unless you are past return window and something fails.
Step 5. Hopefully its all clear, and you can start enjoying it.
Sent through the wormhole from my CoinInserted Sensation OG.
fonduekid said:
Of course, yes Dropbox, evernote, Adobe reader (or is there anything better for reading PDFs?), Skype, Opera Mobile etc., are all waiting to get in..
Btw, thanks a lot for the SD Card info. Yes, I do have an SD card lying around - I will check that..
Also, in one of my prev posts., I had asked info about the necessity for a security suite - do I need one? I mean, I don't install apps from outside the google android market in any case... still, do I need a security suite?
And does anyone have any idea for Swype?
Thanks again.
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The default Asus software keyboard is swype-like, in that you can slide from one letter to the next. Kind of swype-lite.
If you decide to root and unlock, Read this, very important:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1515004
Best thing to do is just stay away from this forum and enjoy your tablet.
Hello again,
Thanks for the msgs (and yes, I'm enjoying this tablet)
Btw, I checked the firmware version: On the TF Prime it says, "IML74K.WW_epad-9.4.2.15-20120221"
and on the Asus website, in the support section for TF Prime, I see "Version V9.4.2.15(WW)" - Is this the one I should be looking at?
Also, As you can see, the version is the same but the dates are different: The one on the Asus website has "2012.02.29 update" where as the system has "20120221"... So should I just leave it as it is or should I update to the new firmware?
I got Swype beta downloaded / installed and its working fine. BT and Wifi are working great as well...
PS., I noticed that, for some reason, when connected to my PC (at work, Win 7 x64, home premium) through USB, it doesn't charge (it charges when I connected to my laptop, Win 7 x86, Ultimate)... Why so?
PPS., Another issue (and yes, I did search and read some threads on a similar issue - notifications do not clear out even after downloading / installing an app!! Is there any way to clear it? For instance, on my SGS2 phone, there is this 'clear' option... but I don't see any such option with the TF Prime. Is there any way to clear those notifications?
Cheers..
Let me start this by saying I LOVE the Nexus 10. It's the most comfortable tablet I've used and the screen is just phenomenal, aside from that, the random reboots are really dragging down the experience. I'm sure there still have to be people having these issues, and what are you doing to combat/keep the tablet from rebooting? I've factory reset my device probably 5 times since my purchase in January, and have installed a few ROMs to try and stop them to no avail. I'm currently running CM10.1 with KTManta and are still having crashes daily, if not every 3-4 hours of heavy use. Location services are disabled, and Chrome is nowhere to be found. How many here are still having these issues? I'm just trying to grab a realistic number here for the community. Would those who are having freezes and reboots like to contribute to a global list where we could possibly list all of the applications that we use to see if there is a common ground amongst us? I just hate that this awesome tablet is being placed on the back burner for now with what would appear like no indication of upcoming fixes. I'm sure IO will bring us a more stable version of Android (4.2.2 is pretty awful) but that's still quite a bit away.
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There are two awesome threads that this is being discussed on, one is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998496 the other is a Google thread referenced in that same discussion.
I may have had a comepletely different problem, but a RMA made my N10 go from bad to good experience
Been running 4.2.2 official AOKP with default kernel for the last couple weeks and haven't had 1 freeze/reboot. Battery great also with around 7-8 hours of screen time.
4.2.2 was a huge improvement
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I am currently on a CM10 base and KTManta kernel and I have no reboots or other problems at all. I had been on AOKP PUB for quite a while before this and it was fine too, and before that I was on a really old build of CM10 (4.2.1) for a long time with only a couple issues due to memory leaks that caused a reboot once every few days.
bigmatty said:
There are two awesome threads that this is being discussed on, one is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998496 the other is a Google thread referenced in that same discussion.
I may have had a comely different problem, but a RMA made my N10 go from bad to good experience
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Your second device isn't rebooting?
Edit: To OP. I gave up combatting it. Nothing seems to work. It could be an app but when it reboots sometimes every few days that would be hard to troubleshoot. I can swap an app list with you if you want although it may be more beneficial to see those the apps of those with no issues so you could have a starting point?
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I own this device for ~4 weeks now and I haven't had a single reboot, freeze or anything.
Of course I understand that not everybody is this lucky, so I feel sad for you guys but it seems to be more hardware reliant than anything with newer devices not experiencing many problems.
I experienced several reboots a day when I first received my Nexus 10. It was frustrating to use at best. Since the 4.2.2 (I'm running stock with root) upgrade and switching to Chrome beta I no longer have any reboot problems with the same device. I am now able to turn on location awareness without lockups or reboots as well. It's a complete 180.
My wife just bought her own Nexus 10 and hers has never locked up or rebooted spontaneously. Hers is stock, unrooted, and she uses non-beta Chrome.
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Your second device isn't rebooting?
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It is not.
I mentioned it in another thread, but I prefer to charge a units battery 100% full, then run the unit unitl it turns its self off from dead battery. The first two "cycles" on my RMA unit I did that, no problems during either cycle, each cycle was three days long. So then I started to charge it when the battery said 1%, and now I'm up to 302 hours of uptime. There have been no shell reboots during this 302 hours, as I've always been sure to leave an app in "recently used" and its always still there. I've also been using things that previously I would not have, such as Maps, apps that run message in status bar such as "Date In Status Bar HD" etc etc.
But full tech-slanted disclaimer because I know the history of this problem:
-My problem on my original unit 99.9% of the time manifested its self as "sleep of death", a bit different than "the masses"
-On my RMA unit, I've never opened Chrome. Not because I am wanting to use it but avoiding it, rather I only ever want to use one browser per device, and since I need to use Boat for Flash, I run Boat instead
-Similarly, I have not done anything "trying to force a crash" on the unit. For example, I've not run that crash app that dude just posted to the Google thread
-Again related to my personality/thought process: My goal has been "just use the tablet as I normally would" so that DOES include things like surfing the web on Boat for 3 hours at a time, running some lame match-3 games, etc etc. I am NOT sitting in a class all day with the unit open for 8 hour stints, nor am I watching YouTube for hours at a time, nor am I taking 1 hour video recordings on the device. So moderate use, but not "stress testing" use.
Still, the summary of my experience says it all (for me) - Could not consider the original unit dependable in anyway, it almost always was "off" if it was sitting on my desk, whereas now the new unit has not had a single event and I'm about one month into it, every day use... Original unit I noticed the problem within the first 3 days of ownership, but I thought there was a setting I had wrong, then I thought it was a problem that 4.2.2 would fix - both those assessments of my original device were wrong.
One more data point on this - My new unit is the D serial number, my original was the C - but another user here described the EXACT same crap I was dealing with, and his was a D - so I don't think there is an exact match for the possible theory of serial numbers (again in the context of sleep-of-death-manifestation.)
:good:
~bm
I've not had one single reboot or freeze with this tablet, I'm on the stock 4.2.2. I have had some apps crash which brings me to my next point... How do your log cats look? They are usually a good starting point when trying to figure out the cause of a crash.
And if you are getting multiple reboots across a spread of roms than it's most likely an app. You need to take the time and figure out which app is causing it. It will be worth it in the long run!
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I mentioned it in another thread, but I prefer to charge a units battery 100% full, then run the unit unitl it turns its self off from dead battery.
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You do that every time? That's not good and definitely not needed with lithium ion batteries.
hlaalu said:
I've not had one single reboot or freeze with this tablet, I'm on the stock 4.2.2. I have had some apps crash which brings me to my next point... How do your log cats look? They are usually a good starting point when trying to figure out the cause of a crash.
And if you are getting multiple reboots across a spread of roms than it's most likely an app....
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I think that is the point for the OP but nobody is doing it. Can you guys with no reboots list the apps on your device? That would give the people with reboots a starting point.
I appreciate the input to the thread but (I'll probably get flamed for this) many of the anecdotal responses are not of much value IMHO. You can't really start any troubleshooting with and not trying to single anyone out, 4.2.2 fixed it, my RMA'd device fixed it, beta-chrome works for me, non-beta for the wife, it's hardware, newer ones are better, turn off location services, etc. I have an RMA'd device so it is newer than the first batch. To that point, there is a guy in the thread bigmatty linked where the device is 8 days old. Is it an app? I hope so but with the infrequency of the reboots or seemingly randomness of it it is hard to troubleshoot. AOKP ran for 2 days 9 hours for me then crashed, then crashed again in 5 hours, and now up for 2 days again so far. The thing is they were all when idle so it is really hard to say what happened. One of my logs suggests gtalk loosing connection and rebooting the tablet. The other says nothing "illegal" or anything like that in the logs. Just the activity manager freaks out like every other log and then watchdog kills everything.
So, you guys with perfect N10s why don't you give us an app list so us poor bastards with reboots have a starting point....please
rxnelson said:
I think that is the point for the OP but nobody is doing it. Can you guys with no reboots list the apps on your device? That would give the people with reboots a starting point.
So, you guys with perfect N10s why don't you give us an app list so us poor bastards with reboots have a starting point....please
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Look, that's not how troubleshooting works. The easiest and most efficient way is to reset your roms, add one or two apps a day, and keep adding apps till you find the problem. Patience is the key. But once you find the problem you'll be very pleased. Me or anyone else listing apps on our devices will not be meaningful to the problem because you're looking for apps that work, you're looking for ones that don't.
Your starting point is a ROM with no apps.
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You do that every time? That's not good and definitely not needed with lithium ion batteries.
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Well, I've personally done a lot of research into this topic, and no one will ever convince me any other method is as good for the batteries as it is. I've seen the battery discussions on both sides drag on for miles, so not worth discussing really. Just IMHO - ALL batteries can still suffer from memory effect. (Again, seen both sides of that discussion.)
I agree w/ the "top-level-general uncertainty" about these devices and thus the inherent frustrating complexities that rxnelson is talking about. My general opinion on the situation, is - if nothing else, there are some truly defective units in the field now, which further complicates the issue/troubleshooting.
hlaalu said:
Look, that's not how troubleshooting works. The easiest and most efficient way is to reset your roms, add one or two apps a day, and keep adding apps till you find the problem. Patience is the key. But once you find the problem you'll be very pleased. Me or anyone else listing apps on our devices will not be meaningful to the problem because you're looking for apps that work, you're looking for ones that don't.
Your starting point is a ROM with no apps.
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Yea...well that is probably not going to happen for most people. Even at 10 apps 2 days per app you are looking at almost a month of troubleshooting. Most people aren't going to do that. There is also nothing to say that your bad app didn't cause an issue in 2 days but 4 instead you will be thinking the wrong app caused the issue. Anyway it was what the OP asked for so also trying to stay on topic.
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Yea...well that is probably not going to happen for most people. Even at 10 apps 2 days per app you are looking at almost a month of troubleshooting. Most people aren't going to do that. There is also nothing to say that your bad app didn't cause an issue in 2 days but 4 instead you will be thinking the wrong app caused the issue. Anyway it was what the OP asked for so also trying to stay on topic.
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Yeah I hear you man. When I was in the cell phone business as much as I love android I hated selling android phones because people go app crazy and install whatever they can find. Then they come back the next day because their phone isn't working properly. Lol.
But honestly, how many different apps do you use on a typical day? And let's put games and other non productive apps aside. So for troubleshooting purposes start with the apps you really, truly, honestly NEED and see if you still get issues.
This really becomes a circular discussion. Its the same as the original links I was referencing. Mods are just humoring us by not merging...
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Well, I've personally done a lot of research into this topic, and no one will ever convince me any other method is as good for the batteries as it is. I've seen the battery discussions on both sides drag on for miles, so not worth discussing really. Just IMHO - ALL batteries can still suffer from memory effect. (Again, seen both sides of that discussion.)
I agree w/ the "top-level-general uncertainty" about these devices and thus the inherent frustrating complexities that rxnelson is talking about. My general opinion on the situation, is - if nothing else, there are some truly defective units in the field now, which further complicates the issue/troubleshooting.
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I'd invite you to do some more research into the topic, check this out: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries It's a great site for real battery information.
hlaalu said:
Yeah I hear you man. When I was in the cell phone business as much as I love android I hated selling android phones because people go app crazy and install whatever they can find. Then they come back the next day because their phone isn't working properly. Lol.
But honestly, how many different apps do you use on a typical day? And let's put games and other non productive apps aside. So for troubleshooting purposes start with the apps you really, truly, honestly NEED and see if you still get issues.
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I hear you as well. To be honest I'm just kind of done with troubleshooting. I've had a rebooting device since November. I'm just looking for a base to start with I guess. Kind of like at work. We have 10-15 core apps we install and test on a PC. When they are tested we make an image and blast that to the other devices. If 19 of 20 of the PCs work then we re-image the one. If that doesn't work it almost isn't worth the trouble shooting as we have 20 more that need imaged. Most of the time they chalk it up to hardware send it to the PC techs and move on. If I get bored I'll reflash....and yes honestly I don't use that many apps but it is still kind of a kick in the balls that you have to baby the device. I still think there is something generally wrong with the I/O of the two devices I've had. If I do a restore all apps and I mess with the tablet while it is downloading and installing all those apps they were both almost guaranteed to reboot.
hlaalu said:
I'd invite you to do some more research into the topic, check this out: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries It's a great site for real battery information.
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:cyclops: I've read it all and done my own tests that span years... Even talked with former battery engineers about the topics and theories. My method always leaves my devices "more charged longer". Like I said, seen this battery topic drag on endlessly...
bigmatty said:
This really becomes a circular discussion. Its the same as the original links I was referencing. Mods are just humoring us by not merging...
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So where is that app list?
rxnelson said:
I hear you as well. To be honest I'm just kind of done with troubleshooting. I've had a rebooting device since November. IAt the very least,'m just looking for a base to start with I guess. Kind of like at work. We have 10-15 core apps we install and test on a PC. When they areexpressly increasingxotically increStillasing the oddse tested we make an image and blast that to the other devices. If 19 of 20 of the PCs work then we re-image the one. If that doesn't work it almost isn't worth the trouble shooting as we have 20 more that need imaged. Most of the time they chalk it up to hardware send it to the PC techs and move on. If I get bored I'll reflash....and yes honestly I don't use that many apps but it is still kind of a kick in the balls that you have to baby the device. I still think there is something generally wrong with the I/O of the two devices I've had. If I do a restore all apps and I mess with the tablet while it is downloading and installing all those apps they were both almost guaranteed to reboot.
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The odds seem so impossible that you personally would have got two defective devices, but clearly you have the tech chops to give a good assessment to the situation - I would love to see your experience with a third device... Just because each different physical device you test would keep exponentially increasing the odds.
A couple of the others who seem real in tune to this issue, I think have a hard or impossible return/RMA path, so I feel like it's an option not being that exhausted yet.
Well, I don't know that I am off much more help on this topic in general. I watched it so intensely for a couple months so its still got my interest. At the very least, guessing all the talks cab start again after klp is released!
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rxnelson said:
So where is that app list?
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I'll do this for you later today. Like I was saying, I think you are Not crazy :highfive: