Hello all,
Just got my Lumia 800 and it's awesome. However, I've noticed a little problem where the "white" on the screen distorts a bit.
If you go into the Office App, next to the big title font ("Notes", "Documents", "Locations") and slowly slide the screen or scroll the body text. I'm noticing that the white adjacent to the title font distorts a little bit. I'll shoot a video later, but this appears to happen whenever there is a white background.
Does anyone have something similar?
Thanks in advance
hawc1506 said:
Hello all,
Just got my Lumia 800 and it's awesome. However, I've noticed a little problem where the "white" on the screen distorts a bit.
If you go into the Office App, next to the big title font ("Notes", "Documents", "Locations") and slowly slide the screen or scroll the body text. I'm noticing that the white adjacent to the title font distorts a little bit. I'll shoot a video later, but this appears to happen whenever there is a white background.
Does anyone have something similar?
Thanks in advance
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When i first read this post I was skeptical, but then I checked and realized you're right...that's some weird stuff, it may have something to do with the pentile amoled, my gf's 710 (LCD) doesn't seem to do that.
It is indeed inherent to the screen type, my Nexus One did exactly the same, as does the Desire I have here.
Yep, looking at it closely you can actually see some very faint rainbow coloured lines on the sides of the text when it's displayed on a white background. This happens pretty much everywhere, even inside the xda app I'm using right now...
Yeah I guess if we're all having it, it's probably normal. Not ideal, but at least other aspects of the phone makes up for it
It's a little odd because it's not isolated to one part of the screen. It actually moves with the text.
It's normal behaviour and nothing to worry about. Amoled screens works like plasma TV's and it comes with its side effects such as "line bleeding" from text and other stuff.
Same thing Its irritates me very much. I wouldn't buy 800 if knew it. I bet that 900 won't suffer from the distortion
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Same thing Its irritates me very much. I wouldn't buy 800 if knew it. I bet that 900 won't suffer from the distortion
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Heh, at times I wish I bought the Titan: big LCD screen highly enjoyable for games and vids, less artifacts compared to a pentile AMOLED, better battery life, removable battery and possibility of putting on an extended unit. What actually pushed me miles away from it is how big and stupid things looked on an oversized 480x800 display: at the end of the day you don't see more text on the screen, you just see it BIGGER, it looks like a phone for visually impaired people
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Same thing Its irritates me very much. I wouldn't buy 800 if knew it. I bet that 900 won't suffer from the distortion
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It probably won't. The 900 has an AMOLED screen but it doesn't use a pentile matrix. The 800 has a slightly older AMOLED screen with one.
Samsung's Android devices have the same problem, Galaxy S - AMOLED pentile matrix. Galaxy S II - Super AMOLED no pentile.
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Does anyone eleses yellows and Greens look off esp the yellows they seem to be very dull and off and almost orange
I agree, the market icon look Olive-colored on Atrix 4G
A lot of you were looking at the oversaturated SAMOLED screens for a long time... this is way more natural.
No qhd is just not as good as super amloed its facts.
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A lot of you were looking at the oversaturated SAMOLED screens for a long time... this is way more natural.
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But the color does not feel as good as my laptop screen...
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No qhd is just not as good as super amloed its facts.
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Qhd is not a screen technology, its a resolution.
And the problem with the colors isn't that they're dull or unsaturated compared to a super amoled., that's to be expexted. The problem is that the colors are just wrong compared to just about any screen you want to compare it too, load up some websites on the phone and a well calibrated desktop monitor and you'll easily see the difference.
Compared to my captivate im really happy. That thing made skin tones green or orange.
It has to be reiterated. The oled display technology OVERsaturates the colors. As in, the colors are overly vibrant. The atrix will more accurately display colors.
Ok, saying this again. We (at least I) am not saying this in comparison to a samoled screen, the colors on a regular LCD will obviously never look like that, the colors on the amoled are completely wrong. However that doesn't mean the atrix has them right, just look at the screen compared to a well calibrated computer monitor.
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It has to be reiterated. The oled display technology OVERsaturates the colors. As in, the colors are overly vibrant. The atrix will more accurately display colors.
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The problem is that the LCD on Atrix 4G is not accurate compare to other LCD screens...
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The problem is that the LCD on Atrix 4G is not accurate compare to other LCD screens...
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Bumping this to get some attention on this issue.
I'm considering returning my Atrix because of how bad yellows and blues look, compared to OTHER LCDs, not compared to Super AMOLED screens.
I lined up my Captivate, Atrix, iPod Touch 4, and my wife's HTC Evo Shift and fired up Words with Friends on all of them. While it's clear that the Captivate is oversaturated, if you take that out of the equation, the Atrix's colors just look bad compared to the other two LCDs. The yellow tiles look "dirty" like they have a brown or greenish tint to them. The light blues in the tabs on the home screen of Words with Friends look like they have a greenish tint as well.
I've seen a lot of people say that they think it's one of the greatest displays ever, up there on par with the iPhone 4. If that's true, I really hope mine and other people seeing this just have defective models that can be exchanged.
I'm going into my AT&T store sometime tonight or tomorrow in hopes of putting two or more Atrices side by side to compare.
If anyone else seeing this problem could do the same, it would be very helpful. Especially as it seems likely that a random one pulled out in store could have the same defect.
Scott, I have my atrix boxed up ready to go back for the same issues. I went to the at&t store and looked at their 3 demo units, all of them looked the same.
If you go to a verizon store and play with a motorola droid x you'll see that its screen looks the same as well, it's just whatever panel maker motorola is using. People that are saying "It's the greatest screen evar, just as good as the iphone 4" are suffering new gadget love and can't see the flaws. It's not the worst screen ever but it is a definite step down from other manufacturers screens.
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Scott, I have my atrix boxed up ready to go back for the same issues. I went to the at&t store and looked at their 3 demo units, all of them looked the same.
The screens also look just like the motorola droid x's screen, so it's just whatever panel maker motorola is using. People that are saying "It's the greatest screen evar, just as good as the iphone 4" are suffering new gadget love and can't see the flaws. It's not the worst screen ever but it is a definite step down from other manufacturers screens.
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Thanks for the reply, mjgunn, as sad as it makes me
Just compared it to my iPhone 4 - yellow is way way way off. Can they even fix that? iPhone 4 seems to have the best screen by a long shot...
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Just compared it to my iPhone 4 - yellow is way way way off. Can they even fix that? iPhone 4 seems to have the best screen by a long shot...
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I would have to agree, the iphone4 has a pretty good display. It is a bit oversaturated, but does look pleasing to the eye. The iphone is also much smoother when using the pinch to zoom feature. With the Atrix having a dual core processor, I thought it would at least be on par with the iphone, but for some reason it's definitely not as smooth.
Oh well... just my 2 cents.
So I went in to an AT&T store last night and compared my Atrix with their demo unit.
The colors seem a little bit better, but interestingly, the demo unit's display didn't seem as bright as my Atrix, and it may have had slightly higher contrast.
I got one of the associates to look at it and agree that mine had a slight color cast to it. They said they would do a replacement for me if I came back with my paperwork from my online order, so I said I would do that today or Saturday.
I went straight home and compared my Atrix again to my wife's HTC Evo Shift. In doing that, I still felt like the color on her screen was significantly better than on mine, and in seemed better than I remembered the store's demo unit, as well.
So, I think I need to get my phone and her phone both in there, side by side with the demo unit, and see if I could live with the screen if it was exactly the same as the demo unit. I think probably yes, given the other major advantages of this phone (qHD resolution, Tegra 2, 1GB RAM), but as a graphic designer, bad colors are hard for me to take. And colors that are off in the way the Atrix's screen is off are a graver sin to me than oversaturating a la Super AMOLED.
Bottom line, I'm still on the fence. Has anyone else done any other tests?
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I would have to agree, the iphone4 has a pretty good display. It is a bit oversaturated, but does look pleasing to the eye.
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Wait, so now the iPhone's IPS LCD is oversaturated too? Let's face it: Atrix is weak on colors -thanks to the RGBW PenTile display, where they tried to prolong its life by replacing some Blue tiles with White tiles -which makes colors pale.
It does look great with flesh tones though. Ill give it that.
People who complain about wrong colors have been looking at way oversaturated screens... as a semi advanced photographer, I can agree that the atrix screen is very very good color wise ...
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People who complain about wrong colors have been looking at way oversaturated screens... as a semi advanced photographer, I can agree that the atrix screen is very very good color wise ...
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Or they got an Atrix with a defective display, like me. Ony my Atrix, there's no getting around the fact that yellows look dirty and brown, and that certain shades of blue look greenish.
Just noticed on my Lumia that there's a thin fine purple line on the edge of the left side of the screen. I can see more of it the whiter the screen is, can anybody confirm if they have this too or if it's just my device?
Thank you.
I have had two devices and both have shown some purple tint on the left side. My current example more evident than the previous phone.
Only noticable on gray/white backgrounds and not on colored backgrounds really.
It does bother me to some extend. Not enough to replace the phone a second time though (I did not exchange the first one because of this).
Not really like lines though. More like a subtle gradient that goes from far left into the right side.
dannejanne said:
I have had two devices and both have shown some purple tint on the left side. My current example more evident than the previous phone.
Only noticable on gray/white backgrounds and not on colored backgrounds really.
It does bother me to some extend. Not enough to replace the phone a second time though (I did not exchange the first one because of this).
Not really like lines though. More like a subtle gradient that goes from far left into the right side.
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Its only bothered me since I noticed it to be honest, mine starts at the top left, all the way to the bottom. It sticks out more at the top corner, then goes thinner as it goes down.
It's due to pentile amoled screen. And it's normal behavior.
What he said; it's a PenTile thing.
I have my new Lumia 800 with some strange shady lines after every item on the screen to the very right side of it, with white theme and with medium or less brightness. Should i return it for replacement, or every Lumia 800 has this annoying issue? Switching form an iphone 4 I was prepared for worse screen quality, but not this much... youtu.be/g8t_oRDpY70
I exchanged my phone for a second time even though I said I would not. It just bothered me too much. Took me three phones to get one with a screen that had good uniformity across the screen. Only the line bleeding visible at times but it does not bother me at all really.
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I have my new Lumia 800 with some strange shady lines after every item on the screen to the very right side of it, with white theme and with medium or less brightness. Should i return it for replacement, or every Lumia 800 has this annoying issue? Switching form an iphone 4 I was prepared for worse screen quality, but not this much... youtu.be/g8t_oRDpY70
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That's an AMOLED 'feature'. I remember my Nexus One being like that, and when I set full brightness with light background I can make it out on the Lumia too.
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That's an AMOLED 'feature'. I remember my Nexus One being like that, and when I set full brightness with light background I can make it out on the Lumia too.
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I am sad to hear this mate... Am i expecting too much after my iphone? It is not noticeable with black background, but ie9, office and some other application has a bright background anyway, sot it is annoying there. Of course it is not until you realize this issue exists, but after that, you cannot stop paying attention to that...
It's like line bleed on plasma screens... I feel like its imposible to get af perfect screen today don't matter if its on phones or larger screens...
my last two expensive flatscreens had some minor problems, Plasma was linebleed and so on...
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I am sad to hear this mate... Am i expecting too much after my iphone? It is not noticeable with black background, but ie9, office and some other application has a bright background anyway, sot it is annoying there. Of course it is not until you realize this issue exists, but after that, you cannot stop paying attention to that...
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dk_iceman said:
It's like line bleed on plasma screens... I feel like its imposible to get af perfect screen today don't matter if its on phones or larger screens...
my last two expensive flatscreens had some minor problems, Plasma was linebleed and so on...
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I have to disagree with dk_iceman, iPhone 4/4S doesn't have this fault (don't know about 3GS, didn't own one) but fact of the matter is, this should be a fault, when we had such problems with our TV's, which even happen on LCD TV's, you get a replacement, I don't think such screen problems should be acknowledged as normal. Nokia have said for me to return my phone to them, but I'm checking for more problems, so I can give them a whole list of my expectations, I haven't had one problem with the iPhone 4/4S's screen, that's why I'm willing to pay more for a phone, this phone wasn't cheap too, so I think everybody should get what they paid for, ok software, can be solved, but for poor hardware, should be replaced. Agreed?
My girlfriend's Omnia 7 screen looks cleaner, she's had hers for two years now.
Does anyone experience "moire effects" on the display when browsing dark text on a light background - ie. on Internet Explorer on in an Email account -?
The problem is notified on Nokia EU and Nokia USA but no response from nokia; I thinks it's a matter of display technology, the PENtile matrix is so crappy and this is one (bad) behavior.
Does anyone is affected by this problem?
nokia reference threads:
****://discussions.europe.nokia.***/t5/Nokia-with-Windows-Phone/Lumia-800-Moire-effect-when-displaying-dark-text-on-light/td-p/1266269
****://discussions.nokiausa.***/t5/Nokia-with-Windows-Phone/Lumia-800-Moire-effect-when-displaying-dark-text-on-light/td-p/1266269
Yes, it's because of the PenTile matrix, my Nexus One was the same, as is the Desire I have next to me.
ok, thanks for yoir reply. i will force myself to fall in love with pentile display
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You'll never fall in love with it, you just tolerate it.
Yes, specially if, like me, come from an iPhone 4.
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suzughia said:
Yes, specially if, like me, come from an iPhone 4.
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I know what you mean. I came from a 4S to a Nokia N9 (same pentile screen) and had alot of doubt concerning that type of screen. Now i don't notice it and really like the vivid colors it gives. In the beginning it was a bit harsh on my eyes but that is all gone. When i see my wifes 4S screen the colors looks washed out compared to the clear black on my N9.
I don't love the screen (then it should've been an amoled rgb matrix clear black), but it's grown on me and I've come to like it alot and think it looks good.
Regards Dousan...
I can't find any moire effects. Maybe I am not looking closely enough.
I really like the display though.
I guess it's only noticeable if you came from a phone with a better display. My last phone was a SEw995i so the screen looks flawless to me
Coming from an HTC Mozart I really like the display. If I compare this to the HTC Mozart, it's much better, the dark theme now looks really dark, instead of washed out black (more gray).
There's no moire effect on mine at all. Just some line bleeding with black text on white background. But line bleeding and moire are two totally different things and I can tolerate the occasional line bleeding as I hardly ever notice it.
The screen is awesome and I've gotten used to the pentile. Things like the clearblack and the response time of the display is the best I've seen. Things doesn't smudge very easily when they are moving on the display as they often do on RGB displays.
Now I almost prefer a pentile display because of it's positive sides. The colors are very true too. When I compare photos on it right next to my 30" Eizo SX3031 wide gamut display which is a display for graphics/photo editing they look pretty identical to each other.
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Now I almost prefer a pentile display because of it's positive sides.
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There are no positive sides to a PenTile display, other than being cheaper to make.
Hi everyone.
The purple tint problem on the Lumia 900 is of common knowledge and Nokia as already issue a statement confirming an incoming software fix, however, just having bought a Lumia 800 I'm a bit concerned.
My device features a slightly tinted gradient from the left (darker) to the right (lighter) of the screen. This is easily identifiable while using the keyboard, where the greys get a purple hue on the left side, or if you open a new empty tab on internet explorer for instance, where you'll notice the lack of uniformity across the display. It should be all white but it's a pale purplish shade on the left edge and gets whiter as we move to the opposite side.
This is highly visible on the Low brightness setting or if you have it set to auto on a dark room.
As of now, there seems to be no word regarding a fix for the L800. Have any of you guys noticed this problem on your phones?
I would appreciate any feedback on this subject in order to decide what to do. The phone is very recent, so i'm still able to return or exchange it but I'm really liking the Lumia and WP7.5 and would pretty much like to stick with it as long as i can get a fix or a replacement that doesn't have this problems.
Thanks.
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Hi everyone.
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As of now, there seems to be no word regarding a fix for the L800. Have any of you guys noticed this problem on your phones?
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Thanks.
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I have noticed this behaviour several weeks ago, too.
This is normal with amoled screens and nothing to fix with firmware. It's not really the same problem as the purple thing with the 900 since that was extreme and was some software bug somehow and only affected low brightness.
Most amoled screens do get this purple tint. Some more than others and it's only visible on white/gray backgrounds.
I replaced a Lumia 800 because it was very noticable when opening the keyboard (gradient across the whole screen) and it bothered me very much. It slapped me in the face every time I opened the keyboard. The 800 I have now hardly has it at all. I say hardly because no amoled is 100% uniform across the whole screen.
If it bothers you too much. Replace it. It won't/can't be fixed with firmware. It's not the same issue as with the 900.
Thanks for the feedback.
I've returned my first Lumia and got a new.
Even though this new unit doesn't have the same level of tint, the purplish gradient is still there and very noticeable with low brightness.
I must say i'm very surprised with what you said dannejanne. I never came across such an issue on other AMOLED screens like the ones on the Samsungs. I must admit that the Nokia screen goes way beyond the lower level of brightness of the Galaxy's but still, can find an hint that is related to the technology of the display, especially considering the price range of the Lumia 800.
In any case, thanks once more for sharing you experiences.
Well. Personally I have never seen a Amoled screen that is 100% uniform when viewing gray backgrounds. That includes Samsung phones as well.
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Not sure though if it's related to pentile or not.
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I'm thinking about buying the Galaxy S III, but the Pentile screen is really holding me back. I mean, why buy a device with a screen that looks bad and has to be looked at for several hours a week?
I've heard that at high resolution, Pentile screens don't matter. But I want some opinions from all you people out there.
And what would you expect to see looking at a poor quality entitle screen?
My s3 is probably the clearest looking screen I've looked upon
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I've read some of the older device reviews on tech websites and whenever the device had a Pentile screen, the review always criticized it.
I'll trust Samsung on this, since there pretty good at making screens.
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I've read some of the older device reviews on tech websites and whenever the device had a Pentile screen, the review always criticized it.
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Older AMOLED Pentile Display were bad because they have a low ppi (240ppi on the SGS1)
But SGS3 screen has a 306ppi and the "pentile effect" seems to be not there (at least I do not see it on my SGS3
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Older AMOLED Pentile Display were bad because they have a low ppi (240ppi on the SGS1)
But SGS3 screen has a 306ppi and the "pentile effect" seems to be not there (at least I do not see it on my SGS3
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No matter what? Even if you're holding it like a inch away from your phone? I usually use my iPod touch (I have a Blackberry phone, it sucks for web browsing) when in the mornings when I don't feel like getting out of my bed. I usually hold it just 6 inches away from my eyes.
My S3 has to be the clearest screen I have ever seen. Had it for a few days now and still doesn't fail to amaze me whenever I turn the screen on.
You don't have to worry about holding it 6 inches or even 2 inches away from your face.
Its really beautiful...much better then my Nexus...
The best way to solve your problem is to go the nearest store and have a look at the demo unit. Don't believe what you hear or read, believe what you see.
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Arsaw said:
The best way to solve your problem is to go the nearest store and have a look at the demo unit. Don't believe what you hear or read, believe what you see.
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This.
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This.
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I live in a semi-rural area. The closest store to me is a over a hour's drive away. My schedule for the next couple weeks is packed, I will not have enough time to go over to the closest store and look at the phones.
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I'm thinking about buying the Galaxy S III, but the Pentile screen is really holding me back. I mean, why buy a device with a screen that looks bad and has to be looked at for several hours a week?
I've heard that at high resolution, Pentile screens don't matter. But I want some opinions from all you people out there.
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I saw the Motorola Droid Razr before I knew what pentile was and I thought it looked weird and pixellated so it's certainely not placebo. At the ppi of the GS3 it doesn't matter imo. I do still notice it (but not like I can count the pixels.. but it just is a little bit different then normal rgb screens) but the screen is still somehow the best I've seen in a phone.
You shouldn't keep yourself from buying it because of this as it not even really noticable, it's the best screen there is imo and it even spares some battery.
I can notice the pentile effect if I stare hard at the screen from less than 10cm away. I've compared my S3 to the HOX and the HOX does indeed has a finer screen. But still the S3 has one amazing screen. The blacks are much better although the colours seems a little over saturated and slightly on the warm side.
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I live in a semi-rural area. The closest store to me is a over a hour's drive away. My schedule for the next couple weeks is packed, I will not have enough time to go over to the closest store and look at the phones.
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Well then I guess you have two options 1.) Wait two weeks and then go look at the phone 2.) Go with a different phone.
The only time I notice the pentile screen is whilst reading some text. It is barely recognisable but if and when you notice it you'll subconsciously start to look out for it. But it is very minor indeed, and changing the font of text helps to more or less eradicate it.
Aside from that minor quibble re text I have to say that this screen is absolutely awesome. Colours and contrast are absolutely amazing. I tend to set the screen mode to Natural as I think this gives the best colour effect.
I know this screen is awesome because when I switch from it to my iPad 3's retina screen I don't feel any degradation, if anything pictures and videos look better on it than on the iPad 3 - and that's saying something!
Does this screen have the same issues as the Galaxy Nexus screen? Purple tint at low bright setting and whites looking like old yellow newspaper?
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Does this screen have the same issues as the Galaxy Nexus screen? Purple tint at low bright setting and whites looking like old yellow newspaper?
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I didn't own the G Nexus, but there is no purple tint at low brightness. My S2 had a slight yet noticeable yellowing at low brightness - this does not
Yes, if you will use the phone under a magnifying glass
"Super Amoled Plus" will never work with High Resolution. They are not designed for that.
Move up dude
I my opinion It is noticeable, but only at ~3" away and I do have 20/20 vision but in any other situation It's fine, I have even fooled a few friends who own an s2 that it was a 'plus' display but as above you are best going to have a look
Its noticeable, coming from an Xperia S (which I gave to my wife for this phone) and having a G Note which died before the Xperia S, its the same for me as the G Note.
It's mainly around fonts and small icons which is more noticeable, definitely not in pictures unless you have super vision, but most of the time you're looking at fonts or small icons, so yes its there.
But FWIW I wouldn't trade it for the contrast, I've never owned a phone with such contrast (actually the Note was the same), but having said that in sunlight forget using this phone, side by side in sunlight with the Xperia S, the Sony wins hands down.