Hello Folks...
I was wondering if there was any way for USB Tablet Pen to work with prime as note taking/sketching alternative...considering the touch screen sensitivity and other issues with prime that keep us from making the most of our prime with stylus...
I found out that by just connecting the two devices via usb or bluetooth does not make the USB Tablet an Input device for the Prime...
I really want to the inputs on the screen to be precise and pressure sensitive which atm doesnt seem possible with prime...
Do we need to have some drivers included in the kernel or maybe some genius app would help convert usb pen tablet to a successful precise input device for the prime...
Well unfortunately there is no support for wacom like pen tablets. Pressure sensitivity is not currently available on Android tablets and it may never be. It may be possible somehow to connect a wacom tablet to an android tablet and draw on the wacom one but th would likely not possible without the support of wacom. The pen itself from what I gather is nothing electronic, only the tablet. Anyways if I'm wrong please correct me as I would love a wacom like stylus with my tablet, I have tried many different styluses on my tablet and they all sucked.
yeah...the pressure sensitivity and accuracy of the wacom usb tablet makes it stand apart...so sad that we can connect so many devices to prime via usb but not usb pen tablets...
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Well unfortunately there is no support for wacom like pen tablets. Pressure sensitivity is not currently available on Android tablets and it may never be. It may be possible somehow to connect a wacom tablet to an android tablet and draw on the wacom one but th would likely not possible without the support of wacom. The pen itself from what I gather is nothing electronic, only the tablet. Anyways if I'm wrong please correct me as I would love a wacom like stylus with my tablet, I have tried many different styluses on my tablet and they all sucked.
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Actually there are tabs with active digitizers built in and a few with Wacom tech. All are pressure sensitive.
Galaxy Note has Wacom
HTC Flyer 7" has N-trig
HTC Jetstream has N-trig
HTC Evo View 7" has N-trig
Motorola Xyboard 10.1 has something
There might be others too, but this is what I found. But this means that the Android drivers are there for it, but they are not configured for USB use. Like was said before, Wacom would have to tweak the drivers or release open source drivers that we could work on. Pie in the sky dream, I know...
The Linux kernel includes drivers for Wacom hardware, and Android's input subsystem shouldn't have problems interpreting the events it emits (especially under ICS). I've actually used Android on a tablet PC with Wacom hardware in the past thanks to the Android x86 project.
I can only guess as to what's wrong, but I'd imagine that its one of the following:
The Prime has issues at the USB or Bluetooth layer with Wacom hardware
The driver ('wacom' for USB, 'hid-wacom' for Bluetooth) driver wasn't compiled into the kernel
The driver wasn't loaded into the kernel (if built as a module)
A device node for the tablet under /dev/input/ was never created
Android's input subsystem ignored the device
Android's input subsystem is dropping events from the tablet
JigPu
I was under the impression that the TFP does not utilize a WACOM digitizer but rather an atmel digitizer so i dont see why the TFP's kernel would have been compiled with WACOM drivers.
Thinkpad Tablet
The Android Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet uses wacom technology and pen, I think it has 256 pressure levels or maybe more, but it's the best thing for drawing on android at the moment in my opinion. And there will be a better one launched this year, the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1
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The Android Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet uses wacom technology and pen, I think it has 256 pressure levels or maybe more, but it's the best thing for drawing on android at the moment in my opinion. And there will be a better one launched this year, the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1
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The Thinkpad actually uses an N-trig digitizer from what I can tell, though the Galaxy Note 10.1 should be Wacom if the 5" model was any indication. There are a few other tablets using Wacom pens, but you can only find them in China from what I can tell.
Still, it'd be nice if somebody could figure out how to get a Bamboo or Intuos working with Android. In theory the only real roadblock should be getting the driver compiled and loaded onto a device...
EDIT: Almost forgot... On ICS (and apparently Honeycomb too) you'll also need an .idc file describing the tablet to prevent Android from ignoring it. See this post for an idea of what was needed for a Waltop tablet.
JigPu
hoping for acer a500 can use wacom bamboo tablet
I am hoping for my acer a500 android can use wacom bamoo tablet.
I've found some article http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1447905
and plurch said that it worked on Nexus 7.
So new android machine can use wacom tablet or... ?
Anyway, thank you for the interesting insight about linux driver.
i'd like an active pen too, isn't there any way to do this?
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It appears that the Atmel maXStylus will be compatible with the touchscreen controller of the TFP. maXStylus claims to be able to sense a 1mm stylus tip.
"Atmel has announced an active stylus chip that delivers "accuracy and linearity of +/-0.25mm" on a capacitive touch screen from a 1mm diameter stylus tip, claimed the firm. The chip is installed in the stylus and works with touch screens using any of the firm's maXTouch E series touch controllers." - Electronics Weekly
The Prime uses the Atmel MXT768E controller, which should be compatible. It just needs the appropriate software to implement the functionality. "Devices with suitable screens require only a software update and no hardware changes." - Electronics Weekly
It also appears that ICS will have native support for their stylus. "As a co-engineering partner to Microsoft, the mXTS100 supports Windows 8 and the recently launched Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich. " - EE Times
I'm a noob, so can't post links, but one can go to Atmel's site and easily find the info.
Now we just need a manufacturer to build them for a reasonable price.
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maXStylus mXTS100 for Handsets and Tablets
The maXStylus mXTS100 provides advanced active stylus capability for touchscreen controllers based on Atmel's maXTouch® E Series and future maXTouch technologies. This union simplifies touch system hardware and software while providing a state-of-the-art, inexpensive touch and stylus solution
Here you go. found a good article discussing it and provides a video of how well it works.
www.gizmag.com/atmel-maxstylus/20470/
I want this soo bad. I could totally replace my aging hp tc4200 tablet pc and my old wacom pad with this lil baby. Fingers crossed it makes it to the market!
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Its really interesting, I'd love to know from Asus if this Stylus willl be supported.
I'd buy that in a heartbeat.
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they say its as simple as adding the software support for it. no hardware changes needed. Of enough people showed interest, it could happen. As it would add another functionality to the Prime.
wow this would be amazing! The only reason I bought a tablet is because the primes keyboard dock gives it that added functionality for productive uses. This would make it even better in that regard.
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they say its as simple as adding the software support for it. no hardware changes needed. Of enough people showed interest, it could happen. As it would add another functionality to the Prime.
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So would this mean each app would need its own support for the stylus?
Also I am guessing this isn't useable as a regular capacitive stylus?
Wow this is pretty huge news...it certainly looks like the specs are designed to be comparable with Wacom. It's a great size for a handwriting slate...and maybe if one day we could Shallot windows and onenote...lol getting way ahead of myself... I'm not sure from the write up if it will requires a manufacturer firmware update, or the required software can be included in an app and installed...but very cool.
Let's not let this thread fade too quickly...
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Well, ASUS made the Supernote app. Maybe they have that stylus in mind already.
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Holy...crap. I hope this sees the light of day! This would make the TFP the best tablet by far. I've always been jealous of HTC's implementation. I'll definitely be keeping up with this and hope we get it! This made my night. Thanks for the post.
My understanding is that the stylus will work throughout the ICS operating system as a capacitive stylus.
It's funny though, Atmel says that the MXT768E should be very accurate with even a 2mm stylus. I haven't had very good luck on my Prime with the three 6mm styli I've tried. It's my first tablet, so maybe my expectations were too high.
Perhaps the existing software can't handle the additional sensor points on the screen properly. Writepad Stylus shows a refresh rate of 30-50 Hz in debug mode, but Atmel's spec states a refresh of 150Hz.
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My understanding is that the stylus will work throughout the ICS operating system as a capacitive stylus.
It's funny though, Atmel says that the MXT768E should be very accurate with even a 2mm stylus. I haven't had very good luck on my Prime with the three 6mm styli I've tried. It's my first tablet, so maybe my expectations were too high.
Perhaps the existing software can't handle the additional sensor points on the screen properly. Writepad Stylus shows a refresh rate of 30-50 Hz in debug mode, but Atmel's spec states a refresh of 150Hz.
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I think until we see ICS and thus fully supported drivers, we won't see what this thing is capable of. It also sounds like it's not something that ASUS specifically has to support--the stylus should just be supported once ICS hits. Now, as far as compatible software, I have no idea--will any notetaking/drawing app just automagically support the additional precision?
Can't wait to find out more. As someone mentioned earlier, with both a keyboard and a high(enough)-resolution stylus, this thing could be a notetaking beast.
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A pressure-sensitive stylus that could work on the Prime's display?
Sounds like a mini-sized Wacom Cintiq on a budget...
Some apps already support pressure sensitive stylus.
Autodesk Sketchbook Pro, Adobe photoshop Touch / idea , Picsay Pro and others are said to support it.
Just thoses 4 ones are more than enough to justify buying a pressure sensitive stylus.
When does this come out?
So I've been trying to find out when this stylus is going to come out and I can't find the answer anywhere. I've tried contacting Amtel, but there's no way to do that and there's nothing online about the release date. I've got the Transformer Prime along with the keyboard attachment and this was going to be my final piece for it. I want to use the photoshop touch app with it because it would be freakin amazing. So how do we get these guys to release it? I'm willing to pay $100 for it if need be.
Motorola Xoom2 Stylus any good for Prime?
Hi guys
while waitiing for my to be finished repairing Prime I was surfing the web and came across the Motorola Xoom2 Stylus.
Don't you think that would be something for the Prime too?
A link to an unboxing of the stylus:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_XKBNxK3EQ
To me it looks as if the Stylus was soft and pointed, so everything I need to take notes with the Prime.
What do you know about this?
So I'm sniffing around at the Wacom tablets for Photoshop/Corel Draw and they for the most part just seem like yet another Android-ish type of tablet, maybe with it's own software/firmware as the only real difference, so I was wondering if anyone's ever heard of (or done) using a tablet like the Nook Tab, with a pen/stylus within Photoshop and having it behave just like a regular Wacom tablet? It'd save me a handful of cash if it was possible.
Not even close. Yes, you can draw with a stylus but graphics tablets such as the wacom products have 1000-2000 levels of pressure sensitivity depending on the specific model. Pressure sensitivity is a crucial component of digital art because you need to be able to control brush size and opacity.
Here is a quick read for you I pulled up on the googles.
newtabletreviews.com/tablet-101/capacitive-vs-resistive-touchscreens/
I was very curious about this, it looks like it works great on the galaxy note particularly because it has a fine tip rather than the thick ones
I was curious to see if anyone has tried it on their prime or on another tablet and if it works well or not cuz im really interested in getting one if it does?
i dont know about samsung s-pen, but htc ST C400 almost dosn't work on prime ^(
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I was very curious about this, it looks like it works great on the galaxy note particularly because it has a fine tip rather than the thick ones
I was curious to see if anyone has tried it on their prime or on another tablet and if it works well or not cuz im really interested in getting one if it does?
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Of course it doesn't work. Different technologies, the galaxy note uses a wacom digitizer which is pressure sensitive and compactive thus it can us a fine point stylus. While the TFP uses a now standard compactive digitizer it can only use those fat point stylus. But since the TFP's digitizer is made by atmel, Atmel themselves said they were going to release a stylus called maxstylus which is a fine point stylus and is compatible with atmels digitizer.
I was wondering if the "wacom technology" is a software thing or real hardware parts (like on the wacom tablets)
as far as i know the wacom pens send the info to the surface, the surface itself doesn't recognise pressure. If "just" software reads out the capacative infos shouldn't it be possible to get the drivers and drawing software from the note onto the prime?
I'm just thinking out loud here, i have no hard information. but I am very interested, if a port would somehow be possible ^^
Just to address some stuff here...
A Wacom digitizer is a combination of hardware and software technology that exists both in the tablet and the stylus. The sensors in the tablet screens are sensitive to the nibs of digitizer pens.
The Amtel MaxStylus has already been confirmed to not work on the TF201. The chip that is in the TF201 would only support the pen on a 7" screen or smaller.
Wow, that's disappointing.
Will the Prime ever get some stylus love?
BUYMECAR said:
Wow, that's disappointing.
Will the Prime ever get some stylus love?
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Take a look at the accessories forum for the TF201...there are recommendations for capacitive styli that may work for you.
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Take a look at the accessories forum for the TF201...there are recommendations for capacitive styli that may work for you.
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I use a Amazon capacitive, less accuracy but works, Samsung isn't a normal stylus that's why they named it "S Pen"
A mate at work was asking about pens/stylus for use on capacitive screen android devices and I pointed him towards the pen that comes with the TPT.
I looked it up on the Lenovo webshop site and had a look at the tech specs.
In the specs I find....
Pointing Device Connector Type Bluetooth (2.0) Connection
Pointing Device Type Digitizer Pen
Technology Name Bluetooth Tablet Pen
URL to the source: http://shopap.lenovo.com/SEUILibrar...8E9E32BFFFB5BFC0&hide_menu_area=yes#learnMore
Am I just a stupid gimp who didn't realise the pen is bluetooth or are the tech specs just incorrect?
If I am a naive gimp, how do I connect it and if I can what advantages will it provide?
Specs are incorrect in a lot of places, AFAIK.
Yeah, its definitely not Bluetooth...
On a lark yesterday, I tried using an HP Synaptics stylus with the 7840. It works. I might assume that the Dell Synaptics stylus works as well. Doesn't work with WACOM or N-trig or S-pen. Works with Synaptics.
Downloaded Google Handwriting from the Play Store. It works.
I can draw, navigate, write, browse all with a stylus.
Unadvertised, but thank you Dell.
7840, Lollipop 5.0.1, Rooted.
This is exactly what I need to know . . .
yet I'm not sure I understand.
Just got this Venue 8 7000/7480 tablet as a Father's Day gift, have spent hours trying to figure out if there's a stylus/app that would work for handwriting that saves the notes as a text file. It is still in the box actually, didn't want to open it as this function is a deal breaker for me since I'd like to use it in meetings at work.
My confusion comes from frankly not knowing the difference between types of stylus inputs and the only one the Dell website lists under accessories wouldn't seem to work for writing, it has the larger mesh bulb that appears to be a replacement for a finger.
Dell Chat wasn't worth a chit, they only gave me a link to tech that was dead.
I did see that Dell lists "Active Stylus 750-AAGN" but that doesn't show as compatible with this tablet - is this HP stylus in your post the same thing and is that why you suggest it would work?
Any advice would be appreciated here as I decide if I should keep this or return it.
Thx
The HP active stylus (Synaptics-based) is here: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-active-stylus-silver/1169103.p?id=1219473261320&skuId=1169103
The Dell active stylus you mention utilizes the same Synaptics technology as the HP and as does another active stylus from Acer (I think). You are correct in that the Dell stylus is not listed as being compatible. That being the case, Dell might in the future remove the functionality in a firmware update.
One thing noticed is that there is no indication on the screen if the stylus is hovering just above the surface (a small dot or arrow, for example).
After playing around with this stylus and the 7840 for a couple of days, I'm pretty happy with how well it works. I haven't found a calibration routine or app, but haven't found a need to use one yet, either, so that is good.
As for the experience, I'm just getting started. The Synaptics technology is in its infancy and is not as flexible as WACOM or N-trig -- fewer levels of pressure sensitivity (important for artists), for example. The handwriting recognition and accuracy is a function of the Google handwriting app and it seems to work pretty well and quickly in recognizing my mediocre penmanship.
Much obliged. Maybe I should put my 15y/o tech consultant on it to investigate further since he was responsible for selecting this model in the first place. Otherwise he'll just fight with his little brother all day while not mowing the lawn.
And again, pardon my ignorance, but since you have rooted your device would that have anything to do with "unlocking" this feature? He could root mine if needed.
You're very welcome. I don't know if rooting affected the implementation of the stylus. I wish I had tested before upgrading from KitKat or rooting.
We'll see how it goes.
As far as I know, any 'active' stylus should work e.g. stylus with a battery. I've been using the joyfactory x1 recharchable (cant post link, not enough msgs) through a anti glare screen protector for about a month with no issues, only downside is that unless you get a blue tooth stylus there is no auto palm recognition so you cant be lazy and put your hand down.
Incorrect. Active stylus such as those based on N-trig technology (Surface 3 (Pro), Sony Vaio, older Fujitsu) do not work. The joyfactory x1 is another technology that generates an electro-magnetic field that simulates a finger, thus would work on almost any tablet with a touchscreen.
Oops, thanks for the clarification!
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Incorrect. Active stylus such as those based on N-trig technology (Surface 3 (Pro), Sony Vaio, older Fujitsu) do not work. The joyfactory x1 is another technology that generates an electro-magnetic field that simulates a finger, thus would work on almost any tablet with a touchscreen.
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I have been using my Dell Stylus from my Venue 8 Pro and it works great. It supports palm rejection and the second button works as an eraser in apps like sketchbook pro.
That is correct, the Dell stylus used for the Venue 8 Pro (and certain other Dell) is Synaptics-based.
thanx OP I was looking all over the internet for someone who had tested stylus on Venue Android and never found anything.. I ordered the Dell one 750-AAGN and it works a lot better than I expected, not as good as my Ntrig surface pro 3 but pretty close and that is perfect for an active stylus that according to their costumer support was not compatible with my device.
I am currently using Papyrus for note taking I use Microsoft Onenote on all my other devices but for some reason I get like 2 seconds delay from pen and finger on onenote. Its been a problem I have been having since I bought the tablet maybe is a hardware compatibility issue. App works great on my other tablets without delays... I wish I could get it to work on the 7840.
In case anyone else is looking for active stylus for Dell Venue 7840 Android the Dell 750-AAGN works great!
The secret still works with 5.1, rooted!
Not working with European version?
I've bought the Dell Venue Active Stylus 750-AAHC, which should be the same pen as the 750-AAGN one except that it is sold in the EU. Unfortunately it does not work with my Dell Venue 8 7840 at all. Do you guys have any clue if there might be a (also secret) difference between the two versions? Or might my tablet be incompatible to Synaptics stylus at all? Any hint or idea would be appreciated.
Nobody got a clue? I contacted the Dell Support which claims that there isn't any technical difference between the EU and the US model of the stylus. Also there is no difference between single devices having the same model number. Anyway they also say that they do not have any information about the used technology or at least they do not want to support any unofficial feature. So all in all nothing really new that could solve my problem.
Is the stylus actually working (test stylus on another Synaptics device)? Battery polarity correct?
Also, I don't see any on-screen identification (pointer, dot) that the stylus is detected. It just works.
Ok, so I got myself an active stylus, the 750-AAHC, the european model. It works, perfectly. I contacted the Dell support and they confirmed it´s officially supported. No clue why they don´t advertise that. I mean seriously, a 4K! display and handwriting? That is amazing. And not only that, it even supports palm rejection - you can use it like actual paper.
Meaning: That tablet just got even better.
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Ok, so I got myself an active stylus, the 750-AAHC, the european model. It works, perfectly. I contacted the Dell support and they confirmed it´s officially supported. No clue why they don´t advertise that. I mean seriously, a 4K! display and handwriting? That is amazing. And not only that, it even supports palm rejection - you can use it like actual paper.
Meaning: That tablet just got even better.
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Interesting information, thanks. So I guess either my pen or my tablet is broken. Will test it with another pen asap.
The Dell support really confirmed it as an official feature? That's really strange as they denied it before.
By the way, the tablet has a high resolution display, but it isn't 4K.
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I've bought another 750-AAHC stylus, but it isn't working, either. So I guess either my tablet is broken (since the very first day) or the stylus feature isn't supported by all 7840 devices. The second option would explain why it isn't advertised by Dell.
Venue 10 7040 works too!!
Just recieved my venue 10 7040 tablet. On a hunch (due to this thread) I preordered a 750-AAGN stylus hoping it would work....well surprise surprise it works perfectly. No hover pointer but it swipes, selects, scrolls and seems to have the palm rejection everyone else is talking about while I'm drawing. Totally impressed. This is getting pretty close to my dream device, 2-in-1, OLED, digitizer stylus...only wish it was 12" and Windows 10, but for now this is awesome.
Thanks OP. To those having issue with the 750-AAHC I'd suggest trying the 750-AAGN if possible since I thought the AAHC was for wacom devices not synaptics.
Works for me, too, on a new Dell Venue 10 7000 (7040) with 750-AAGN stylus. I sweat for an hour or so and was disappointed that it didn't work at first. After the Android 5.1 update everything worked like a charm.
Responsiveness and functionality varies tremendously between applications:
Autodesk Sketchbook is by far the most responsive. Recognizes the 3rd button as an eraser. No pressure sensitivity.
OneNote and Evernote have considerable lag. This can be improved by reducing the pen size (drawing fewer pixels?). No eraser. Some challenges with registering palm presses as finger input.
Squid slightly worse than OneNote and Evernote, in my experience.
LectureNotes (Trial Version) seems very responsive. After configuring a few options it maps buttons 2 and 3 to erase. Seems very nice.
Google Handwriting Keyboard is a bit of a disappointment. Not so responsive, but thick pen.
Keep in mind that I am left handed, so palm rejection is likely more critical for me as I almost always have a hand on the screen when writing.