I realize this probably depends on geographic location, but i suspect my prime has especially bad gps reception.
Using gps test, here are my results.
Outdoors (on a table, screen up, not touching it):
In view: Usually 0 or 1, max 6
In use: usually 0, max 4
Indoors:
0/0. Always.
This is from Trondheim, Norway.
What are your results?
Sigh....
hey in other news:
Go on youtube, find the benny hill show theme
then in another tab search for fail compilations. Watch people wiping out, crashing, and otherwise failing but the music makes it all the better! Have fun!
Did I see you buying your TP here 63° 25' 47.64" N 10° 23' 35.97" E ?
This is one hostile forum
I'm only asking because I saw a review complaining about bad gps, but it was still way better than what i get, and seemed almost usable. I would have posted a link, but I'm not permitted to.
Most people say the tfp has bad gps, but mine is utterly, completely unusable.
bobbaluba said:
This is one hostile forum
I'm only asking because I saw a review complaining about bad gps, but it was still way better than what i get, and seemed almost usable. I would have posted a link, but I'm not permitted to.
Most people say the tfp has bad gps, but mine is utterly, completely unusable.
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The GPS is unusable. It's been discussed on here every single day for the last 6 months. That's why people are doing this to your thread.
Do a search dude.
Asus are bringing out a dongle you attach to your Prime to get the GPS to work. Again, do a search for that.
Simplest solution is to use your phone for GPS like we all do. Nobody needs a 10" wide sat nav.
they are right op. all you had to do was look at my gps dongle test result thread or jjvega gps video thread and you would see asus has released a gps solution.
I did search. And I ordered the dongle the 16th. But people are not very specific about the "issues", and reading this thread, as well as the review (which i can't link to) I got my hopes up.
As I don't have a smart phone, having at least one device with gps device would have been nice. Guess I'll just have to learn to live with the dongle then.
Feel free to delete the thread if you're a moderator.
there are no issues with the new dongle. it works great. just attach it when you want to use gps and take it off when you done.
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Someone enlighten me on why official reviews of this phone do not include a GPS test. Knowing how all variants of the Galaxy S failed miserably on the GPS, would it not make sense to put peoples minds at ease with a simple mention of GPS? Why official reviewers never mention GPS is kind of strange and especially with this particular branded phone ;(.
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Someone enlighten me on why official reviews of this phone do not include a GPS test. Knowing how all variants of the Galaxy S failed miserably on the GPS, would it not make sense to put peoples minds at ease with a simple mention of GPS? Why official reviewers never mention GPS is kind of strange and especially with this particular branded phone ;(.
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i'm sure i read on a few of those that gps is quick and accurate. What official tests do you need? didn't all the mobilers show you the performance of their units?
Also do we need another thread for this?
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i'm sure i read on a few of those that gps is quick and accurate. What official tests do you need? didn't all the mobilers show you the performance of their units?
Also do we need another thread for this?
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An official review would be from someone like Engadget or Cnet or Android Central. Official reviewers are more meticulous with everything. I just don't understand why they wouldn't do it lol. There's no rational reason not to quickly mention that either "gps is very accurate" and vice versa =/. Strange.
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An official review would be from someone like Engadget or Cnet or Android Central. Official reviewers are more meticulous with everything. I just don't understand why they wouldn't do it lol. There's no rational reason not to quickly mention that either "gps is very accurate" and vice versa =/. Strange.
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engadget is meticulous with their reviews? lol you're kidding right?
you should probably catch up on mobiler's reviews which had gps tracking with diagrams drawn. If that's not enough for you then what is
Engadget goes straight to the main points that matter and give an educated opinion, which is what I look for. It's blog short, meaning very little fluff. If I want to read an exhaustive and robotic detail of every feature, with very little I would call "impressions" because really, almost every phone is good to them, I read a GSMArena review. If I want a poorly translated and very dry review that is so long but says so little, I read a mobile-review.com review. If I want to get my tabloid kicks and whoever is paying them to defecate on some brand or write vilifying troll reviews, I'll go Gizmodo. If I want blind fanboy lust reviews with tons of smooching, I read Androidcentral and Phandroid reviews.
Here's a respectable enough looking and sounding review, saying thte GPS locked in under 5 seconds and the compass seems better than most.
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/samsung-galaxy-s2-930907/review?artc_pg=11
I have found Anandtech have the most thorough reviews...
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Here's a respectable enough looking and sounding review, saying thte GPS locked in under 5 seconds and the compass seems better than most.
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/samsung-galaxy-s2-930907/review?artc_pg=11
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Frome same article:
"Another point we were happy with – the compass on the Samsung Galaxy S2 was more accurate than anything we've seen recently on smartphones, and actually pointed in the right direction most of the time."
This is indeed good news... ^^
GPS Test on engadget:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/29/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-gps-it-works-it-really-works-video/
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/29/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-gps-it-works-it-really-works-video/
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Just saw that as well ...
So in one instance at one location the phone's GPS locks quickly, but they don't say how quickly, if the lock was hot or cold or even how accurate it was. Also, why they turned off wireless network positioning is beyond me. If it works, it should only help, not hinder, the lock. If it doesn't, well, they should have said so. (Disabling A-GPS altogether would make sense if you only wanted to test the chip + antenna setup instead of the whole stack, but they didn't do that.)
I'm assuming there's labs where GPS signals can be simulated and conditions completely controlled. That's really the only way you can meaningfully test GPS functionality for a single device. To expect even a professional publication to run such a lab is unrealistic but they could certainly pay to have a few devices tested.
Aside from that there's the far easier way of comparison. Take a top of the line (civilian) GPS as a reference, 10+ phones including some with known good and known bad GPS, including non-Android ones and run a few tests in different locations.
But no, none of the above. I'm so fed up with people who conclude something works great just because it doesn't fall flat on it's face ... Instead, another video that takes ages to make, ages to watch and is absolutely devoid of any meaningful content. Bloody worthless ...
Yep, pretty hopeless video at Engadget. A quick lock with no real indication of accuracy, and no information about how well it maintains a lock. Face palm.
Jeez!
Nothing is good enough for you guys.. go buy the device and do the test yourself.
There are alot of posts about GPS and it simply works as it should!
techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/samsung-galaxy-s2-930907/review?artc_pg=11
"the Galaxy S2 managed to lock our GPS in less than five seconds, and we were away in no time at all."
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Nothing is good enough for you guys.. go buy the device and do the test yourself.
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That simply isn't practical. Even if I wanted to pay for the SGS2 itself out of pocket just to review it, I still wouldn't have enough phones and/or stand-alone GPS units for a meaningfull comparison. Never mind the equipment needed for the audio, screen and camera quality measurements. A little more technical knowledge would surely be beneficial as well.
But the fact that this is impractical if not impossible for a private layperson to do is the very reason that tech publications exist in the first place! If all I wanted were an (more or less) uneducated impression or opinion I could just order the thing off Amazon and return it after a few day, if I don't like it.
This problem is not specific to mobile phones, of course, but it's especially bad there since a lot of non-overlapping knowledge would be required to do a proper review - basically you'd have to review each device
as a mobile phone (calling & SMS/texts only)
as a portable music player
as a compact camera
as a personal / in-car navigation device
as an e-book reader
as a mobile web-browsing device
as a gaming handheld
as an external storage device / thumb drive
... ... ...
Now, some of those features can be evaluated "at a glance" but a lot simply cannot.
And no, I'm not being perfectionist right now - if I were, I'd be insisting on multiple review copies from different batches ...
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There are alot of posts about GPS and it simply works as it should!
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Not quite. There are a lot of posts about the GPS, yes. But it seems to me that they are by people who don't have much experience with GPS, on mobile phones or otherwise. How could they know if it works as it should if they've nothing to compare it to?
In my very limited personal experience the LG P500 for example is so much better than the SGS1, NS and - by the looks of it the SGS2 as well - that it isn't even funny.
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GPS Test on engadget:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/29/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-gps-it-works-it-really-works-video/
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That must have killed them to say something positive that wasn't iPhone related!...
My contribution to testing the GPS functions, hopefully useful to people (particularly prospective buyers). If you have comments please post them there at the blog, rather than here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VuptfBPIEI&feature=player_embedded
It is a general failing of many reviews that they do not compare but just give an overall impression .
But that is the same across a broad range from inkjets to GPS with all in-between .
Not that i am complain about my SGS2 GPS far from it i have no complaints it works as i want it to .
A minority view possible but 14 million users did not complain about SGS1 GPS some did but not 14 million of them .
jje
Asus USA website no longer shows GPS in specs.
http://usa.asus.com/Eee/Eee_Pad/Eee_Pad_Transformer_Prime_TF201/#specifications
http://eee.asus.com/eeepad/transformer-prime/specification/
It still does here. But that is not a good signal for those who want a GPS.
lol...so who is right?
Oh, I see. The OP provided a link to the USA Asus site.
USA site was changed. I assume they will update the rest to match. Disappointing for me.
global will eventually follow same suite.
Are they going to remove WiFi as well?
lol
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Are they going to remove WiFi as well?
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ha.. that was a good one.
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Are they going to remove WiFi as well?
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No, but Hasbro is going to make them remove the work Prime
Sent from my Photon
As long GPS is on the box we can claim them to fix it
Asus: what box? We shipped all primes in un marked packaging.
Sent from my Photon
Gone from Canadian and Czech sites too.
Google requires all Android devices that want Android Market to have GPS. So they can't just remove the chip, but want probably avoid having to fix it in already shipped Transformers. :|
Seriously?
Wats is this bull**** ?
And for those of us who are supposed to have it ?
The day google realises that ASUS is screwing around their clients because it's removing the GPS spec, they are going to make a tantrum.
If you think about it, the TFP will be the first device running ICS without a GPS, and eventually without the Market.
So we will all be stuck with a useless piece of expensive hardware.
They better correct their way of doing things, because it looks like a Sony copycat. Screw the clients, we decide what happens with our devices.
Companies should stick to their guns and make sure that they actually provide the functionality. Not **** people over afterwards.
i dont know how many times i have to say this WE HAVE GPS SO WE WILL ALWAYS HAVE THE MARKET WE HAVE GPS WE HAVE GPS WE HAVE GPS WE WILL HAVE THE MARKET the only thing is gps doesnt work well it doesnt work well
I looked for GPS a month ago on the site, and didn't find it. I did find it on the spec sheet though. So I have never seen that GPS was specifically listed other than on the spec list. I am wondering if anything has really changed....
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using xda premium
My only question is who the hell 1-starred this thread? In fact, who the hell is going around trying to downvote every thread that at all says something negative about the Prime? This thread is entirely factual and the OP reported something that is from Asus itself. Talk about device insecurity.
On topic: this is a really weird development, so weird in fact that I don't even know what to make of it.
It used to be listed. For me it was a requirement.
The FAQ download on the asus site contains a short section about gps. It was last updated on 12/27, is this section new? For safety, do not use while driving, insulated car windshields may reduce or block signals, and of course connect to the internet to first activate. Retailers still list gps on the primes specifications...at least bestbuy and newegg do.
Edit-Additional info- Asus site Specs list under sensors: e-compass.
So is the a game changer for some of you folks?
It seem like one bad thing after next is coming out with this cluster **** of a tablet launch from ASUS.
"Pure Speculation" WiFi and Bluetooth are getting a makeover. GPS being Removed.
This is pure speculation and I have no hard facts to back it up but I've always said, "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck......it's a duck".
We all know that the Prime is not in any retail stores at this moment and it's debut has not went full swing yet. A couple batches of pre-orders have shipped but that's about it. Some websites now are showing they won't have any in stock until next month.
In my opinion, Asus stopped shipping orders out to retailers due to the WiFi, Bluetooth and GPS problems. Let's face it. This tablet isn't so popular yet that Asus can't keep the orders up. They realized they had to go back to the drawing board and either redesign or replace the antennas used for WiFi and Bluetooth. The next large wave of Primes should be the revised version which will have much better WiFi and Bluetooth performance.
Asus knows that it would cost them a lot less in the beginning if it just kicked it's chop shops into overdrive in order to ship a fully working tablet rather than getting a bunch of returns and a bad name in the process.
Now, when it comes to the GPS, this is more of a conspiracy theory but it makes sense. We all know that Asus removed "GPS" from the spec sheet and the reason they did is because this second revision of the tablet WILL NOT have a GPS chip inside or it will have it's GPS chip disabled. This is much easier and cheaper for them in the long run because they realize it will never work properly or efficiently without a WiFi signal.
Like I said before, this is just a theory but I just can't imagine why this tablet was supposed to be released in full force prior to Christmas and still continues to slowly trickle. Please don't tell me the tablet is so popular and that's the reason it's hard to get your hands on one because the general public doesn't even know about it yet.
If its a theory put it on the thread title.
And write it in capital letters..THEORY...
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If its a theory put it on the thread title.
And write it in capital letters..THEORY...
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+1 I hate threads with so obviously baited titles. Just wrong.
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using xda premium
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If its a theory put it on the thread title.
And write it in capital letters..THEORY...
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I can't think of better words to say...thanks given.
OP...please change the title...if you don't know how then ask.
Thread title changed. Didn't mean for it to be a bate and switch which is why I started off by saying......wait for it......"THIS IS PURE SPECULATION".
Anyone could have easily stopped reading and move on at that point.
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Thread title changed. Didn't mean for it to be a bate and switch which is why I started off by saying......wait for it......"THIS IS PURE SPECULATION".
Anyone could have easily stopped reading and move on at that point.
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Thanks for the change in title. With that said I've got to say that your piece is well written and an interesting theory...we shall see.
Doesn't google require GPS for any device connected to the market? I don't think they could remove GPS entirely . . .
Deletion please
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Doesn't google require GPS for any device connected to the market? I don't think they could remove GPS entirely . . .
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No. Bottom of the page...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1428200&page=13
Actually, this tablet is that popular that they more than likely been having trouble keeping up with orders. look how in the beginning alot of peoples orders got cancel because the online retailers didn't get enough units or Asus cut the numbers down sent to particular retailers. probably to make sure there was at least enough to go around to various outlets.
as far as Asus stopping production and completely redisigning, I highly doubt it. As far as Asus knows there's only a GPS issue. that's a problem across the board. the wifi and BT one isn't. seems to only be affecting some users. they already solved the GPS issue by removing it from spec sheets and anyone who sends Prime in, to get fixed for GPS, will have it removed more than likely. people who still have units with GPS will more than likely still receive updates n such for GPS to make the best of it.
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as far as Asus stopping production and completely redisigning, I highly doubt it.
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I agree with you. If they were going to do that they might as well have changed the back cover. Pulling a chip, taking out an antenna, and making some s/w modifications really isn't a big deal in the greater scheme of things. Certainly not as complex or costly as coming up with a different back cover.
The gps issue really need to be nailed down to its root cause, seems to me there are units out there with good gps performance. If the metal backplate is really the problem then we should not see all units with poor results. i just can't believe that the FCC approved this product without verifying the compliance to specs. To me it's probably a bad batch because of poor quality control, the next shipment around the end of the month could hopefully show a significant improvement and an ICS upgrade.
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Correction: "we should see all units with poor results"
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The gps issue really need to be nailed down to its root cause
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/5285/asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-gps-issue-explained
Excellent write up, so the gps was not tested from the beginning and when they did test it, it was conducted with the alum backplate to demonstrate the problem but I kinda wonder why they didn't test it without the backplate which would be a whole lot more convincing imo. It's just too bad that Asus did not learn from the Ipad mistake so we will just have to live with this deficiency since the fix is too costly. Guess I'll just have to keep my phone gadget handy for gps use. Thanks.
>i just can't believe that the FCC approved this product without verifying the compliance to specs
The FCC is concerned with RF-radiating equipment complying with power and spectrum limitations, for interference reasons. The GPS module/antenna is a passive receiver and thus is not tested.
>I kinda wonder why they [Anandtech] didn't test it without the backplate
That would require a complete disassembly--not just removing the back shell, but all the components attached to it. It's not a feasible option.
Note that there was no bluetooth testing, either. I suppose we'll see another mea culpa about it next.
It's not just Anandtech. All of the tech blogs gave the Prime rosy reviews with nary a complaint. I'm surprised that not more criticisms are directed at these sites.
In a sense, I understand their predicament. The Prime was the only next-gen Android tablet coming out during Xmas. It's got quadcore. It's got iPad-like looks. And it's reasonably priced. Nobody wanted to be a Scrooge and give it bad marks.
I open a new thread even though the content is and will be discussed in others.
It's just getting confused to keep writing, quoting or answering threads of 20 and more sides.
I hope that the mods are not banning me for this
Frustration is grabbing me badly, like for many others on this forum, because even though I can read that ASUS/Gary Key is giving us a hand to solve or improve issues, I think we are getting nowhere.
If the WiFi/BT issue is caused by lousy hardware/software combination, then no fw will solve the issue.
Many of us have still a chance to return the device and get 600€ back, as in my case.
We need an official statement from ASUS telling us in which way they will protect us and their own name from bad publicity, if the issues are not solvable.
ASUS in Denmark knows zero! I have to mention this forum and Gary Key, just to give them an idea of what it is going on.
The only place I managed to get valuable information is in this forum. That's poor for a company like ASUS.
No mention on their support sides in any country, that "they are experiencing" issues with the device.
I bought mine through Amazon DE, and I have 30 days (now only 14) to send it back. It seems that nobody can promise anything, so what do I/we do?
I have no other complaint that poor wifi and BT causing connection break downs or badly signal. The rest is fine!
What are we customers, that were relying on ASUS brand, quality and service, going to do?
Tell me to send it back and I will probably do it, tell me something else, BUT tell us something more that "we are working on XXXXXXXXXXX solution".
Begin to tell us, what is next step either to get a replacement with fixes or money back if the "returm window" is closed.
Thanks in advance and regards.
If you are not happy with your Bluetooth/Wi-Fi the only thing you can do is return it for a refund and wait for another tablet because the design of the Prime is causing every single prime to have a weaker Wi-Fi signal.
... so the thread Gary opened is useless?? I think it does not seem like they gave up yet.
What are they trying to fix then?
Are you saying this because you know more than Asus or "us" do?
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what you said, OP, is perfectly understandable. XDA may have useful info but the company, Asus, needs to address the people more directly or more often. Gary can only do so much at a time. I'm sure he is being bombarded with stuff at the moment. although those who experience BT/wifi combo issues are limited in the way they use the combo, they are those who aren't affected. look at jjvega thread where he made a video showing it wasn't affecting his new tablet. Fixes are in the works. we just tend to be impatient alot of times. if return window is dwindling down, and issue is bothering you that much, then only sensible thing to do is return it. that'll just be Asus loss then. No one should be stuck with a device they unsatisfied with, point blank. good luck on what you decide to do. do what you feel is right. maybe even try to exchange if possible.
plus I don't think you will be banned for your OP. nothing wrong or out of line with what you said. to me, it seems like Gary answers faster to PM than in a thread where people there are even trying to flame or belittle him. I've got some great info or help from Gary. people keep abusing his presence n he will go. then people will out back n will wish he was still around.
Gary mentioned a fix in February, so it will most likely come after your return window. Return it while you can. Purchase it again when you are confident they have fixed this issue.
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If you are not happy with your Bluetooth/Wi-Fi the only thing you can do is return it for a refund and wait for another tablet because the design of the Prime is causing every single prime to have a weaker Wi-Fi signal.
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Except for mine and my friends.
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Except for mine and my friends.
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Just because WI-FI has a slightly weaker range doesn't mean it doesn't work it just doesnt work quite as good as most other Wi-Fi devices but it should be fine for most in home situations. I am not sure exactly what issue OP is talking about though perhaps some Wi-Fi units truly have issues on same Primes I just known the range on the 3 Primes I have had is exactly the same in my home but not quite as good as my 4 other Wi-Fi devices I have tested ( range is not quite as far)
Hate to rub in. But in Singapore.. I am facing an equally lousy service support and they claim that during Singapore launch, they did not mention abt gps. They are trying every bit to say, no GPS. U want location, u use wifi...
And there is no return policy!
$uck big time. Cost me sgd $700...
That's why I pay with Paypal or credit card, you can get a refund.
It's not as if an answer will follow immediately after a bug is reported. It takes time to discover a bug, confirm it, come up with a fix, test it, obtain more samples, test on those samples, and distribute it, not to mention all the logistical corporate and other engineering steps that I skipped over. If you're unsure you want it, return it and buy it later.
As far as non-US issues, I'd bet that SO FAR there just haven't been as many issues in Germany as in the US, so they just haven't acknowledged it's a WW issue.
..so far issues are:
1) WiFi signal is not good as other WiFi devices (not laptops).
2) BT and WiFi issues when both are used at the same time.
3) Flickering of displays primarely on YouTube and after ICS installation.
4) MicroSD Card slot... as mentionned in another thread in this forum.
What a pity! But I wonder who in the h*** controlled this device before sending out on the market.
Nothing can be perfect, but these issues are not small things, and also very easy to troubleshoot and discover.
I test NetGear stuff, and something like this will be caught by "betatesters" 99.9%
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My WiFi range was pretty good, at least acceptable. However when you move away from the router the speed got very slow. Next to the router I could get 20MB/s, 1 floor down (with full WiFi bars) I got 5 MB/s and another floor down around 2MB/s (still 2 WiFi bars).
GPS worked.. but wasn't good enough for navigation at least in populated area's.
I created a poll earlier today to ask whether you were satisfied with your phone and a majority of users stated they were (about 60%), however, for those who have had issues, I'd like to rate exactly what issues you had. I understand most of you had multiple primes, so rate on the one most highest on your priority list.
Lastly the purpose of this is to help keep the consumer informed on issues so they can decide for themselves whether purchasing a prime is worth it.
Please also list the following:
1. First 3-6 digits of your S/N
2. Where you bought it
3. When you bought it
4. Issues with multiple primes if you had them
Issues with 1st Prime from Amazon serial# BCOKA
1. Defective Rear Camera
2. Weak Wifi
Returned to Amazon
Issue with 2nd Prime also from Amazon serial BCOKA
1. Issue when both BT and Wifi are on - Speed degrade by more than half
I'll wait another week and see if Asus can come up with a fix, otherwise I'll return it to Amazon and will stay away from Asus product.
Only Prime:
Serial# in signature
From: Amazon
Ordered: 12/28/2011
Shipped: 1/28/2011
Received: 2/2/2012
My issues:
1. Non-existent GPS. (I know the spec sheet removed it, but I'm pretty sure I ordered right before that announcement)
2. Possible issue with accelerometer/gyroscope. Some motion-based controls feel clunky and unresponsive.
3. Very slight light bleed in a couple areas. Not even noticeable in most conditions.
-- 1 and 3 might be possible to rectify myself per events in http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1474391
Reported...duplicate thread already....u have to use search...doesn't matter if its an old thread...just resurrect it. It'll be different if this was something new you coming up with...but it isnt. this is getting out of hand along with those posting threads on new prime leak...All reported.
What's next another poll on serial numbers? Lol which we already have also. General section getting cluttered up with to much repeat threads of things already discussed or same Ol polls..SMH. to help is by having less clutter to sift thru. Could've easily resurrected the old poll which is exactly the same.
Also to correct your OP, over 80% were satisfied...stop with the fun math..lmfao. add up yes n other poll n over 80% said yes, we satisfied
This is a duplicate poll from all the other discussions, etc.
The FIRST rule of XDA is.....
1. Search before posting.
Use one of our search functions before posting, whether you have a question or something new to share, it's very likely someone already asked that question or shared that news.
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