Do you guys think well get the s3 apps like the camera and the s talk and eye tracking and all that like would it be possible or is the stuff based on hardware cause in my opinion since the s3 lte is going to probably be the same processor of the note I feel the note with the s3 futures will be either a very good competition or actually be a better phone for those who can use big phones
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Knowing Samsung history its very doubtful.
Would it be possible fir a developer to somehow get the futures from the s3 and put them on the note?
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Do you guys think well get the s3 apps like the camera and the s talk and eye tracking and all that like would it be possible or is the stuff based on hardware cause in my opinion since the s3 lte is going to probably be the same processor of the note I feel the note with the s3 futures will be either a very good competition or actually be a better phone for those who can use big phones
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If anything the GS3 would be using the S4 snapdragon which is the MSM8960 paired with the adreno 225, unlike the Note which uses the S3 snapdragon MSM8660 (IIRC) paired with the adreno 220. So not exactly the same chips...
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Officially? No. Unofficially? Yes.
This is Samsung's way to get people to purchase new phones. In other countries outside the US, 2 year contracts dont exist which frees customers to upgrade phones as often as they wish. Releasing new features for new phones keeps people buying the newest Samsung phones. Here in the states, its a different story.
FOR THE MOST PART, this is one of the few areas where Apple has done it right, firmware updates are generally speaking fast and frequent giving new features and functionality nearly every month or two. Yes, there are exceptions (most recently, Siri) but Apples' business model is based on the US cell model.
HOWEVER, this doesnt mean these features wont be ported by the community, just as Siri is now available unofficially for just about all Apple ipads, iphones and itouches.
Of course, this is my opinion, all speculation.
I wondered the same thing as the OP. And I agree with littlewierdo. I think it may be possible for these new features, which are mostly software, to be ported over to the Note. Only time will tell.
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I doubt Samsung will ever port any of the new software features over from the SGS3 they just sent out ICS and premium suite to the carriers I think thats all the software upgrades we'll see from Samsung to our phones. But I do think we have some really great Devs on here that will port some of the SGS3's software features to our devices in Mods or Roms. As to when this will happen I'd guess not til late fall 2012 after the SGS3 source code is out and the Devs have had enough time to figure out and write those features for our device. But like I said we have some great Devs on here so who knows they keep surprising me perhaps will see those roms/mods earlier.
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... they just sent out ICS and premium suite to the carriers I think thats all the software upgrades we'll see from Samsung to our phones....
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Id really like to know where the notion that Samsung has sent ICS to carriers came from. To my knowledge, there has been nothing officially stated that I know of except that Samsung stated Notes would BEGIN seeing ICS in Q2 of this year, but ICS will likely roll out STARTING in Korea and move to different regions over time, as has been the case with EVERY roll out Samsung has done. The Captivate didnt see Gingerbread until nearly a year AFTER it started rolling out in Korea.
I could very well be wrong here but based on Samsung's track record for releases and the fact that there has not been anything official that I know of besides a vague statement by Samsung about a Q2 update, I dont see anything happening. It might feel like something is coming but we dont even have a ready for prime time leak yet...
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Officially? No. Unofficially? Yes.
This is Samsung's way to get people to purchase new phones. In other countries outside the US, 2 year contracts dont exist which frees customers to upgrade phones as often as they wish. Releasing new features for new phones keeps people buying the newest Samsung phones. Here in the states, its a different story.
FOR THE MOST PART, this is one of the few areas where Apple has done it right, firmware updates are generally speaking fast and frequent giving new features and functionality nearly every month or two. Yes, there are exceptions (most recently, Siri) but Apples' business model is based on the US cell model.
HOWEVER, this doesnt mean these features wont be ported by the community, just as Siri is now available unofficially for just about all Apple ipads, iphones and itouches.
Of course, this is my opinion, all speculation.
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you are right.. Koreans are very trendy people. My cousin and his friends change phone every 6 months or so.
There is that "official" update link that Samsung mobile usa on twitter keeps referring people to, but that only shows one device with official update as of now.
As far as the OP question, it is very likely that we will see someone port these over since most of the new software uses the same base hardware (i.e. NFC in conjunction with wifi direct, or front facing camera for eye tracking, etc). I realize that the cameras may be different or the exact model of the NFC chipset or other hardware may differ, but it is software and can be changed to utilize our device specific hardware. Since these new programs were built on existing technology(that the note shares) it is highly likely to eventually see these incorporated.
It will take talent and time, but it is very likely that in later stages of development we will see potential unlocked... Or unwrapped, lol
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I'm sure someone will be able to port it at some point, but I wouldn't count on it happening anytime soon, and probably not even this year. I'm not basing this on a ton of information, but I've been following the Note forum for awhile since I decided to hold out for the S3 and as far as I know there still isn't a great leak without bugs for ICS, which was pretty much "guaranteed" by all the forum members as soon as the Note released in the US.
I could be wrong, but that's just what I've seen.
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I'm sure someone will be able to port it at some point, but I wouldn't count on it happening anytime soon, and probably not even this year. I'm not basing this on a ton of information, but I've been following the Note forum for awhile since I decided to hold out for the S3 and as far as I know there still isn't a great leak without bugs for ICS, which was pretty much "guaranteed" by all the forum members as soon as the Note released in the US.
I could be wrong, but that's just what I've seen.
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Well once the full official update comes out, we will be golden. Would be nice if CM9 supported our phone and not just the international.
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Hello,
I just want some opinions on how future proof people think the sgs2 is.
The prices have dropped a bit.
but im mainly concerned over the new hardware that is coming in early 2012, as well as the galaxy nexus as an alternative..
Thanks
its one of the fastest smoothest phones available today it can support Ice Cream sandwich and who keeps a phone more than a couple of years anyway the early quad cores are coming soon so it's good for a couple of years reckon I'll get a an sgsIII when my contract runs out next august depending on specs etc
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Hello,
I just want some opinions on how future proof people think the sgs2 is.
The prices have dropped a bit.
but im mainly concerned over the new hardware that is coming in early 2012, as well as the galaxy nexus as an alternative..
Thanks
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The Galaxy S II is pretty future proof, one of the reasons I bought it.
I remember one of the first reviews mentioned it as a 'plus'. Its future proof.
One of the reasons is it contains so many things, like bluetooth 3.0, DNLa, MHL (HDMI), Wifi Direct and a lot of crap of wirless options.
Second it has still one of the best dual core processors. While quad core processors might start showing up in phones in 2012, everything is still being optimized for dual core. At the end of 2012/beginning of 2013 it may be smart to buy a quad core phone. The idea is this dual core processor wil be good for at least another 1,5 year.
The screen is nice, its no HD 720p resolution but that doesnt mean our WVGA res isnt future proof.
Anyways... Ice Cream Sandwich has been officialy confirmed by Samsung. And after that, we have XDA that will put out perfect ROMs with the future Android versions.
Anyways... I would say its future proof. As long as you dont mind not having 'the latest of everytjing'. Because sooner or later better phone's will come out (that doesnt mean the S II will not be excellent anymore!)
Nothing is future proof... Better question is, what will hold its resale value.
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I think that SG2 is best you can buy at the moment and for the next 1 year it will be one of mostly wanted phones......
The only thing it lacks for future proof is an HD screen and a quad core. However, SMAOLED+ is the best looking screen technology out right now and Exynos is the fastest dual core SoC.
Basically, the SGS2 will be good for another year but after that I would consider upgrading.
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I also like to think that A LOT of geeks decided to upgrade to this phone when it was released. It was hyped a lot before release, and it just said BOOM! It is now the best android mobile out there.
-Because of this this exact mobile is going to have an incredible amount of fans out there developing roms, tweaks and whatnot...
It sure will be future software wise, and if you really think about what the hardware specs are good for - I don't think you will disappointed in the next two years or so
Thats my opinion anyway...
This phone is like htc desire in his time, it was relased 14.5.2010 and now year and a half from then is still great phone so i think that SGS2 will be great for next year and more....
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This phone is like htc desire in his time, it was relased 14.5.2010 and now year and a half from then is still great phone so i think that SGS2 will be great for next year and more....
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The desire users have now all run into it's limitations, mainly a huge lack of internal storage space. Only tweakers will start using a2sd+, so most people will just live with the limitations.
Android 2.2 is also one of those limitations, only tweakers will be able to upgrade to anything higher.
And physical buttons that lose functionality as well, not to mention the crappy camera!
So, it's not about what Mr. XDA can do with the phone, it will be whatever Joe/Jane average will be able to do with it 12-18 months from now compared to new smartphones what will determine the value.
I was youst saying about hardweare specs, desire had the best HW spec for his time and he last for quite some time now....
2013, sgs2 still going strong ICS is old news... JB now, lol...
Why resurrect this thread?
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its not future proof at all in fact official software updates will end after 4.2.1/4.2.2
and roms such as cyanogen mod will not upgrade to the next android version since samsung doesn't provide support
Nothing is future proof... We're always looking for and creating something new... This is a good phone, the only thing that can out do it is hardware... Android is running out of things to apply or implement into phones... They didn't even come up with a new name for 4.2.x... I look forward to see what exotic dessert they'll name the next, lol...
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I look forward to see what exotic dessert they'll name the next, lol...
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I thought Key Lime Pie name for the upcoming release was already known, was it not?
It's funny, digging up a thread from 2011 about how future-proof this phone is... By now, I think the time has shown that in 2011 it was quite future-proof indeed. I'd say at the moment it's still very capable device, which in the world of tech and electronics is truly amazing.
it's been 10 months since it was previewed, 5 months since it was first released.
And only 1.5% of the Android market share is ICS.
What is going on?
I think ICS is a product fails, so it was not released. and overcome, they will use the JellyBean.
It's just my opinion.
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What is so compelling about it? I can customize gingerbread to have any features it has. Its not like ios which restricts functionality and appearance to the os level.
The only thing I miss is chrome.
Probably for the same reasons that all Android updates take a while to go out. Manufacturers face several hurdles when they update their phones to a new version of Android. They have to update all drivers to support any changes made to the OS, go through a ton of testing and QA to make sure nothing is broken (remember, not everyone who owns a smartphone can troubleshoot it or go to XDA when something doesn't work, and not every smartphone is fast enough to run new versions of Android). When all that's done, they have to get carrier approval, which means even more testing and other administrative work. Now take all that work and keep in mind that updating phones does not make the manufacturer any kind of profit. These phones have already been sold, and the companies might not be too motivated to rush the creation of an update with no monetary worth.
Now think on a larger scale. The Android ecosystem consists of hundreds of phones released by a ton of manufacturers all over the place, and Google doesn't really have that much control over how the manufacturers run their businesses. The result is the fragmentation we've seen across the platform. Compare that to Apple, which only has to support the last three iPhones, three iPads and two iPod touches, and you can start to understand how iOS updates faster.
Obviously, the manufacturers release updates anyways because otherwise their customers would hate them, their reputation would go way down, and they'd never be able to sell anything to anyone. However, they can still afford to take their time, especially since developers are more than happy to do that work for them.
If Google would let OEMs get in on development earlier they wouldn't be so behind. So the OEMs get the source code late. Instead of just adding drivers and releasing it, the OEMs decide to make their own launchers and bundle bloatware. The whole Android OEM update system is slow and inefficient. I wish we could somehow get updates directly from Google on all devices.
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Maybe it's because the minimum hardware requirements for ICS mandate more ram, faster processor, etc.. That rules out upgrades of the installed base and adds cost to new products, so the device manufacturers are sticking with Gingerbread for a while longer.
If i recall ... there's is only one ICS released device. The G-Nex.
There are 20million + galaxy s2's out there and another 20 million + galaxy s1's. Add in ten million or so assorted HTC devices and another few million LG and Moto and other oems.
Once more devices with ICS are released, you'll see the percentage increased.
All the GS2's will get ICS soon and many OG Galaxy owners will be near upgrading time (GS3 or so). It'll be rising once the real powerhouses come into town.
Russianzilla already answered out but the basic reason is that phone manufacturers are taking too long to release ics to their owners - for a number of reasons. This means overall adoption is limited to G Nexus buyers and custom room flashers worth compatible devices - hence your miniscule adoption rate
Its not about fragmentation and hardware support, this is business and profit. Its about people still buying gingerbread phones!
If there was some exciting new feature on ics that you couldnt get on an older os/device (siri), people would be waiting with their money and oems would be scrambling. Oems are simply responding to market demand and the market is apparently still good on 2.3 with a promise of upgrade. (Deliver on that promise at their leisure)
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If Google would let OEMs get in on development earlier they wouldn't be so behind. So the OEMs get the source code late. Instead of just adding drivers and releasing it, the OEMs decide to make their own launchers and bundle bloatware. The whole Android OEM update system is slow and inefficient. I wish we could somehow get updates directly from Google on all devices.
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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention the bloatware. Wouldn't want people getting ICS without Sense or MOTOBLUR on top. (Although from what I've heard, Sense 4.0 is much better than it used to be.)
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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention the bloatware. Wouldn't want people getting ICS without Sense or MOTOBLUR on top. (Although from what I've heard, Sense 4.0 is much better than it used to be.)
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Sense 4 is beautiful... Plus its lighter and faster than the older versions. We're running a cameraless beta over at the desire s forums, and it looks promising.
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The framework of ICS alone is hell to tamper with, a dev would need at least 100+ GB (yes GIGABYTES) of space on a Linux PC just to set up an environment and create 1, maybe 2 not even fully functional builds of ICS.! And that's for one phone. Imagine HTC trying to build icsandwich or icsense for all of there phones (at least 15), trying to create an evo 3d optimized build to support 3d apps and camera which is near impossible even with the drivers and source code, trying to build for various screen resolutions and hardware (which isn't impossible because the g1, androids FIRST phone, runs a pretty damn stable ICS with few bugs), and on top of that, manufacturers aren't like devs (who will release with bugs and work as they go), it is there goal to release as close to a perfect build as possible, and that just isn't feesable, trying to keep your hardware and software for all of your latest models up to date just isn't something that can be done
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Manufacturers are greedy. So they want to make money by new phones. If they release ics to old phones, people wouldn't upgrade to new phones. Therefore less money for greedy manufacturers if they upgrade old phones to latest version of Android.
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Manufacturers are greedy. So they want to make money by new phones. If they release ics to old phones, people wouldn't upgrade to new phones. Therefore less money for greedy manufacturers if they upgrade old phones to latest version of Android.
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Glad to see I'm not the only one that thinks this way
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If there was some exciting new feature on ics that you couldnt get on an older os/device (siri), people would be waiting with their money and oems would be scrambling. Oems are simply responding to market demand and the market is apparently still good on 2.3 with a promise of upgrade. (Deliver on that promise at their leisure)
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don't think so. Ics is the biggest leap Android ever made, it is the first time you're dealing with something that doesn't feel patched up and thoughtless. Gingerbread sure as heck can do most of the things that ics can but everyone knows that the sum is more than it's parts. user interaction and user experience was never part of the gingerbread equation. What you're getting with ics is a modern os that was conceived for modern devices and if that isn't exciting then I don't know.
Oems are too greedy and too stupid to get the picture, that's why ics hasn't been adopded. they still think they can bull**** their customers as they have done for years with no one except Apple standing up for itself. and they'll bail out on jellybean aswell. Samsung just barfed touchwiz on ics, and still some seriously believe devices like the s3 will be getting jb? never going to happen. In future they'll probably be left behind. New Companies will step up, see the potential, understand that openness and customer care can be profitable, and replace them. Look what happened to Nokia, they ruled the 90s. Same will happen to Samsung and Co.
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they'll bail out on jellybean aswell. Samsung just barfed touchwiz on ics, and still some seriously believe devices like the s3 will be getting jb? never going to happen.
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Dude, it's too early to say that. Do you really hope that Samsung or other manufacturers would bail JB? Because I really hope they don't. You're being a bit too pessimistic here.
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ICS slow or broken
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Probably for the same reasons that all Android updates take a while to go out. Manufacturers face several hurdles when they update their phones to a new version of Android. They have to update all drivers to support any changes made to the OS, go through a ton of testing and QA to make sure nothing is broken (remember, not everyone who owns a smartphone can troubleshoot it or go to XDA when something doesn't work, and not every smartphone is fast enough to run new versions of Android). When all that's done, they have to get carrier approval, which means even more testing and other administrative work. Now take all that work and keep in mind that updating phones does not make the manufacturer any kind of profit. These phones have already been sold, and the companies might not be too motivated to rush the creation of an update with no monetary worth.
Now think on a larger scale. The Android ecosystem consists of hundreds of phones released by a ton of manufacturers all over the place, and Google doesn't really have that much control over how the manufacturers run their businesses. The result is the fragmentation we've seen across the platform. Compare that to Apple, which only has to support the last three iPhones, three iPads and two iPod touches, and you can start to understand how iOS updates faster.
Obviously, the manufacturers release updates anyways because otherwise their customers would hate them, their reputation would go way down, and they'd never be able to sell anything to anyone. However, they can still afford to take their time, especially since developers are more than happy to do that work for them.
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All good points. To address the section I've bolded, I refer to a point Chainfire gave in response to a pocketnow.com article. ICS isn't a broken or a product flop but a bigger OS jump for the phones than the tablets. The Transformer Prime updated first cause it was an easier transition from honeycomb. The phones requiring more work are taking longer.
Now on top of that point, the OEM's are adding their skins like sense, motoblur, touchwiz and the like. A shame in most cases but it is what it is. It also adds to the delay. More so as ICS is a bigger upgrade iteration then Gingerbread or Froyo was.
While no direct financial gain is to be had from OEM's investing in these upgrades, there is reputation. Of course a good upgrade cycle experience would encourage repeat business rather than consumers abandon a certain OEM's phones or android entirely which a portion of people are doing.
This of course leads to other questions, ones that may need their own thread.
Questions like should android OEM's embrace a less is more strategy. Fewer styles phones with more focus and polish. Can Google enforce its android alliance, or is Google even willing to. Or should it focus smashing the patent war?
I think whatever we see put out of Asus and Moto in the next 18 months will address these questions I've asked.
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Dude, it's too early to say that. Do you really hope that Samsung or other manufacturers would bail JB? Because I really hope they don't. You're being a bit too pessimistic here.
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I sure hope they don't but then again that's what they are doing right now. ics is a major iteration, the biggest change Android has ever had, Android reconceived from scratch. And yet they skipped it, or worse, somehow saw the need to disfigure it. what makes you think they wouldn't do the same when jb comes out, which, as many people believe, will probably introduce a smaller margin to ics than ics did to gb.
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I sure hope they don't but then again that's what they are doing right now. ics is a major iteration, the biggest change Android has ever had, Android reconceived from scratch. And yet they skipped it, or worse, somehow saw the need to disfigure it. what makes you think they wouldn't do the same when jb comes out, which, as many people believe, will probably introduce a smaller margin to ics than ics to gb.
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Well no one knows the future. All we can do is cross our fingers and hope that oems would update our device.
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It's a giant clusterfuck of stupidity from all sides.
1. The manufacturers want you to upgrade more frequently. In their eyes, they have no incentive to push timely upgrades because they would make people keep their phones longer.
2. The carriers pressure the manufacturers into skinning Android because they apparently don't a bunch of Android devices that look to be running the same software next to the iPhone. They feel as though they need variety in hardware AND software on their sales floors. This leads to slower adoption as new skins for new versions of Android have to be made by companies that really have no business making software of this kind.
3. Google has basically just been sitting idly by while all of their effort to make what is without a doubt the best mobile OS out there (ICS) is destroyed/ignored by the manufacturers and carriers.
Here's why they're all misguided:
1. The manufacturers are more focused on tricking people into upgrading instead of providing people with the best products available. This is where companies like Apple excel whereas others just don't get it.
2. The carriers don't need a bunch of different skins on their Android devices. This just does not logically follow. Windows machines have been sold on the same sales floor for years without problems. The distinction should be in hardware, not crippling software differences that fragment the user experience.
3. Google needs to do one thing: expand the Nexus line. They can't really impose restrictions on manufacturers like Microsoft can because Android is open source. Three devices in as many years just isn't enough, ESPECIALLY when the current Nexus device is only on one carrier. Imagine two Nexus devices (a larger one and a smaller one) on the four major carriers? That would seriously improve the Android brand. The vast majority of consumers have no idea what ICS even looks like. That is truly a shame at this point.
Gingerbread is a solid OS but it just isn't polished enough to compare to iOS at first glance (and remember, first glance is what sells phones). ICS is essentially a gorgeous version of Gingerbread that blows iOS out of the water. Consumers are getting the shaft by not being able to experience it. Thank god my Captivate has a couple stock ICS ROMs here on XDA. Otherwise, I'd be pretty frustrated with my mobile phone experience at this point.
Do you guys think this phone will have an outstanding developer support like the SGS2 has? Will Samsung release the bootloader stuff and all the good code from the start like the SGS2?
Samsung has recently built up a good reputation with the development community, it would be foolish for them to mess that up with their new flagship device. I'll be picking one up coming from the Evo 3D which hasn't had much going on for it as far as development so I'm excited to see how things play out.
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Samsung has recently built up a good reputation with the development community, it would be foolish for them to mess that up with their new flagship device. I'll be picking one up coming from the Evo 3D which hasn't had much going on for it as far as development so I'm excited to see how things play out.
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This is my same boat. I will be purchasing this device, and will be handing my MyTouch 4g Slide or HTC Doubleshot off to a family member... the phone has almost 0% development! I can only dream of a device that I will own with countless options. We don't even have a official CM7.
I miss having the option to flash pure AOSP, MIUI, CM, CM Supers, Always hated sense but it was nice to have the options that I did on other HTC devices I have owned.
Hopefully we rake in the devs. I really miss a good kernel dev as we have none really ... BUT.. to bigger and better things!
Development will be much much better, exynos is not new anymore for the developers , so we can expect some great things
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Development will be much much better, exynos is not new anymore for the developers , so we can expect some great things
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Plus it will be the most anticipated quad core and Sammies first go at a Quad Core beast. I see soo many epic things for our device!!!!!
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Yeah, I'd be surprised if Samsung locked the bootloader and given the amount of interest with the device so far I would expect a huge community following. (unless of course Samsung releases a dog. ---not gonna happen--- )
From the Samsung Vibrant...
I got burned with my Samsung Vibrant. I'm not sure if it was Samsung or T-Mobile who dropped the ball, but there were no official upgrades past Froyo. Since they never released the source to anything related to GPS, our latest AOSP/MIUI ports have horrible GPS performance and GPS-related wakelock/battery drain problems despite the best efforts of some really talented devs.
I've heard stories about HTC being either better or worse, depending on the day, but I don't have firsthand knowledge, so I'm not making my final S3 vs. OneX decision until there's a good AOSP port.
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I got burned with my Samsung Vibrant. I'm not sure if it was Samsung or T-Mobile who dropped the ball, but there were no official upgrades past Froyo. Since they never released the source to anything related to GPS, our latest AOSP/MIUI ports have horrible GPS performance and GPS-related wakelock/battery drain problems despite the best efforts of some really talented devs.
I've heard stories about HTC being either better or worse, depending on the day, but I don't have firsthand knowledge, so I'm not making my final S3 vs. OneX decision until there's a good AOSP port.
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That was definitely T-Mobile. The (international) Galaxy S was updated to Gingerbread by Samsung, but carriers are idiotic and decide to change everything about the phone and then take forever to update it.
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That was definitely T-Mobile. The (international) Galaxy S was updated to Gingerbread by Samsung, but carriers are idiotic and decide to change everything about the phone and then take forever to update it.
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No. Only T-Mobile is retarded. So bad
Which is adding to my pros about buyin a int. Phone.
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No. Only T-Mobile is retarded. So bad
Which is adding to my pros about buyin a int. Phone.
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Verizon is pretty bad with carrier updates as well (see: almost every US Motorola device)
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Verizon is pretty bad with carrier updates as well (see: almost every US Motorola device)
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Yes both are terrible..
Back on topic
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Samsung has recently built up a good reputation with the development community
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No they haven't, they neglect the dev community, just ask the cm9 dev's.
We need Gokhan on board. Surely
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Development will be much much better, exynos is not new anymore for the developers , so we can expect some great things
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Why do you think so? The platform will still be very different. I don't see what previous developers could be able to take with them from the S2.
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Why do you think so? The platform will still be very different. I don't see what previous developers could be able to take with them from the S2.
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I believe that's a good point - I also think in that point it also brings up the fact that - this is
A) probably the most anticipated phone I've seen in a while.
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B) its the worlds first major quad core beast
So this will be a huge step from dual core kernel/dev work. Just like developers had to get used to the dual core kernels when they were used to single core devices way back when.
When u bring this up I think it means more development will come for the fact that its a major stepping stone as well as those who use the SGSII right now. Do u think this is valid?
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CoNsPiRiSiZe said:
I believe that's a good point - I also think in that point it also brings up the fact that - this is
A) probably the most anticipated phone I've seen in a while.
And
B) its the worlds first major quad core beast
So this will be a huge step from dual core kernel/dev work. Just like developers had to get used to the dual core kernels when they were used to single core devices way back when.
When u bring this up I think it means more development will come for the fact that its a major stepping stone as well as those who use the SGSII right now. Do u think this is valid?
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Yes. The processor will be a quite different beast in terms of kernel functionally; if Samsung goes forward with their governor we can forget about adding any if the traditional ones. Each core will be hotpluggable plus there have been reports that each core will run on its own frequency, making this an symmetrical multi CPU design. I highly doubt there's anything similar at all which could be used, so basically in terms of platform specific things, this has nothing to do with the S2. I don't even understand what most of you understand with development, for me it means low level kernel changes in how the device will function, not silly ROM development or modding.
Initially, I think it also depends on the price of the phone, Samsung have some competition right now, the One X is only $600 at Expansys. I can imagine the SIII will be $800+.
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I got burned with my Samsung Vibrant. I'm not sure if it was Samsung or T-Mobile who dropped the ball, but there were no official upgrades past Froyo.
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If you buy a carrier locked device, or if you device is older than 9months, you should expect that. With that said, I run CM9 on my Vibrant and it was great.
I read Sony provides some of the most firmware updates for their phones.
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I read Sony provides some of the most firmware updates for their phones.
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this might be because they have the most security flaws.... you know Sony
This is why I buy unsubsidized now on.
CoNsPiRiSiZe said:
this might be because they have the most security flaws.... you know Sony
This is why I buy unsubsidized now on.
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Don't count on that either. It took a very long time for Google to even release ICS for the Nexus S, a developer device.
Would the verizon version be left in the dust since it runs a Dualcore s4?
Obviously we don't know that they won't announce that they too are rolling out a final version of Jellybean to their flagship devices, but based on previous trackrecord, it's extremely unlikely.
What baffles me, is Sony have the huge ambitions about being a big mobile supplier (it's top of their strategy), yet constantly mess things up. Sansung have been creating press by leaking Jellybean builds for the GalaxyS3, which clearly has a positive PR, without any of the liabilities of official releasing, and the talk is official arrives next week.
http://www.androidcentral.com/yet-another-galaxy-s3-jelly-bean-build-leaks-unpacked-event-looms
Yet with Sony, just a wall of silence, they havn't even annouced if the Xperia S is going to get it...
Shocking.
Based on previous track record, its unlikely? I don't know what you are talking about.
Sony released ICS for single core 1GHz devices while other companies like Samsung and HTC opted not to. Yes, it took longer for them to update their flagship models but that is because they are updating the others.
The Galaxy S did not get ICS, yet the original Arc did, and Sony released more handsets than Samsung in 2011, so surely Sony did better?
Did you read the post on JBQ's (AOSP technical lead) Google Plus in which he said that Sony were the best OEM for updates? I am sure you didn't.
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First: Samsung is not very developer comunity friendly compared with Sony (Bootloader liberation, HAL sensors, FW open sources)
Second: Sony said JB will be, when? dont know...
Third: K900 said Sony was working on some JB APIs and some other things, so, they are working on it.
Im very happy about this.
I would not have bought a Galaxy S3 under any circumstances, i dont like the design or build and i find the use of a quad core processor dubious for anything other than bragging rights (im not even convinced of the merits of a dual core processor in a phone if im honest)
I wouldn't mind a less buggier version of ICS for my XS but i aint going to lose any sleep cos the S3 is getting JB or any other version of Android.
By the way, forgot to say something.
Ever heard of MMC_CAP_ERASE or something like that? It was present in leaks in the kernel, and it caused corruption of data when wiping. I can't give you the specifics but it was responsible for many bricks.
There's also touchwiz, which is buggy, and slows down the system, and just looks horrible, something a child would find appealing.
So, with Samsung you get buggy kernels and horrible UI, I have not yet had any of these problems with Sony.
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i support keiran on every single post on this to be honest. NO other manufacturer updated their entire 2011 line to ICS(except the xp play for understandable reasons). So it is no wonder that Samsung is fast at updating their ONLY flagship for 2012, please type the following in the command line: adb enable brain.img
oh ye , almost forgot, my girlfriends galaxy S3 is fast yea, but it's buggy as hell, internet dropout for like a whole day(even when rebooting or removing the battery), sometimes really laggy touchwiz launcher and apps.
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and I really want the bugfix update they are preparing for next week(hope so ) so we have a nice, clean and fast ICS on our XPS(like GB was).
I've only experienced good things with Sony (Ericsson.) Back when I had the X10 they said they wont update it to GB and yet they did. This alone should show that they care about their costumers. It's true tho that they are a bit slower with OS updates, yet we receive them a lot more bugfree then Samsung (at least I didnt notice anything bad with the XP ICS update.)
I'm talking about much wider impressions that the people here. Everywhere I look, people have Samsung Android phones. Sony are nowhere. They talk about wanting to be up there, but are slow to update, slow to annouce their plans. Consumers won't wait, if they need a phone, they will get the one with the latest Android, or the one that they PERCEIVE to be updated the most. The company that releases the first non-Nexus device with Jellybean will be what the tech press all talk about, and that's what tech shoppers remember.
I couldn't care less about the GS3 getting Jellybean to be frank. I don't like any Samsung device. So nope, I don't regret and will never regret getting the XS
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I couldn't care less about the GS3 getting Jellybean to be frank. I don't like any Samsung device. So nope, I don't regret and will never regret getting the XS
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I do like the Galaxy S3 very much tbh it's smooth, fast at doing anything I want, the XPS just has the problem of a not that good ICS update till now, as apps are really slow sometimes, and the mutlitasking is literally f***** up. I've had CM9 on here and the difference in speed is just impressive.
Jelly Bean isn't all that special. You lose flash and gain a bit of speed and better notifications. And Google Now (which is sort of useless outside the US/UK). Big deal.
If you want updates, fast, and reliable, get a nexus. Problem solved.
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Jelly Bean isn't all that special. You lose flash and gain a bit of speed and better notifications. And Google Now (which is sort of useless outside the US/UK). Big deal.
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But some of us are in the UK!
ANY update at all will be met with open arms, with hopes that we can delete that email for the LAST TIME!!
Sony? Poor track record? You have gotta look over the stats. In fact, they are still improving ICS performance for the whole 2011 lineup when they weren't supposed to do either of it. Sony is now a company which honors its customers by being open to the developer community and working with them for the best of releases. In fact if it weren't for Sony taking the first move, you would still have restricted dev support for Samsung and HTC (they still have limited support too). I bought my dad an S3 and everyday I look at it, I think it is not going to get Android's next version Key Lime Pie whereas the Xperia S gives me the confidence and the hope that it might get the version after Key Lime Pie too. Its the trust which only Sony can replicate. My brother is using his Ray with ICS and believe me, if its honesty and loyalty you talk about, it is Sony. I would rather wait longer than face backstabbing by buying a flagship now and then see it ditched because a better model came in the market (that is why Samsung is making huge profits, by following an Apple style)
WTF
Man....here is the Xperia`s forum!why the hell do we talk about SGS3 or other s#@it like that???
This forum is meant to post our theaks/mods/roms or other stuff like that that will improve our devices performance!!!
so...why...for the love of got we talk about other things like "samsung sgs3 will get jelly bean next week" or "sold my xperia s and bought a samsung nexus"...good for you that you sold/buy another phone,and good bye!see you at the forum dedicated to the device that you bought!!!
wht are the moderators do???
Why talking S3 here? Fanboy smells
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The S3 has been released by Samsung very close to the presentation of Jelly Bean (June 27). People buying a 699€ phone, i.e. the most expensive phone, would expect at least it has the cutting edge technology in the android scene. But since June 27 the S3 has not been the most updated phone, just considering the sw side. Thus, Samsung had to hurry and realease JB as soon as possible.
People who have bought the XS perfectly know that their phone is an excellent compromise between cost, quality, performance and design. But they do not expect XS to be the best of all.
Out please Sammy Boi..
Also They just update flagships.. did u see ace 2 get ics? no! s advanced? no! s? no!!
You see Sammy Boi?
CrazyPeter said:
Obviously we don't know that they won't announce that they too are rolling out a final version of Jellybean to their flagship devices, but based on previous trackrecord, it's extremely unlikely.
What baffles me, is Sony have the huge ambitions about being a big mobile supplier (it's top of their strategy), yet constantly mess things up. Sansung have been creating press by leaking Jellybean builds for the GalaxyS3, which clearly has a positive PR, without any of the liabilities of official releasing, and the talk is official arrives next week.
http://www.androidcentral.com/yet-another-galaxy-s3-jelly-bean-build-leaks-unpacked-event-looms
Yet with Sony, just a wall of silence, they havn't even annouced if the Xperia S is going to get it...
Shocking.
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Don't repress yourself. Go buy a GSIII.
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Hello..
I have zeroed in on the Samsung Galaxy S2 SGH-i777 phone as my next upgrade and would like to get it off US Ebay. (Basically a mint pre owned piece.)
I am from India and hence i have few queries.
1) Is there any chance the Exynos chipset might not be present in any random Samsung Galaxy S2 SGH-i777 ?
I remember its counterpart phone in India also had an alternate version. Hence want to confirm.
2) What's the scenario regarding the service carrier maligning issue? I heard about it few weeks back.. no idea about current scene.
I am basically looking for the US counterpart of SAMSUNG I9100 GALAXY S II, which was released here in India.
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3621&idPhone2=4130
Pls do excuse me if i missed out on threads regarding above posted question..
spacescreamer said:
Hello..
I have zeroed in on the Samsung Galaxy S2 SGH-i777 phone as my next upgrade and would like to get it off US Ebay. (Basically a mint pre owned piece.)
I am from India and hence i have few queries.
1) Is there any chance the Exynos chipset might not be present in any random Samsung Galaxy S2 SGH-i777 ?
I remember its counterpart phone in India also had an alternate version. Hence want to confirm.
2) What's the scenario regarding the service carrier maligning issue? I heard about it few weeks back.. no idea about current scene.
I am basically looking for the US counterpart of SAMSUNG I9100 GALAXY S II, which was released here in India.
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3621&idPhone2=4130
Pls do excuse me if i missed out on threads regarding above posted question..
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I'm not sure why you want the us version of a phone when you're in India.
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Nick281051 said:
I'm not sure why you want the us version of a phone when you're in India.
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I prefer the i777's Design.
Nick281051 said:
I'm not sure why you want the us version of a phone when you're in India.
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Answer his question or don't respond.
1. If it doesn't have exynos chipset, then it's not an I777
2. Talk to your local carrier, we can't provide you this information
If you find out the other information and decide the I777 will in your area, I'd wait a few weeks. The used prices will probably go lower with the Nexus 4 release.
@jthatch12
Thing is, this phone was never released in my country. So i can only glean as much info possible via user response, regarding the gen scenario on the whole. Hence i asked
I ll try to seek the second query's response by more efficient / diligent searching.
Thanks for the part 1 of the reply.
@Sledutah
Yea, i plan to purchase ~next month. Hence getting all the info by that time.
Maybe the pricing will also come down by a bit. Let's see.
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@Sledutah
Yea, i plan to purchase ~next month. Hence getting all the info by that time.
Maybe the pricing will also come down by a bit. Let's see.
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If you're going to spend ~$250 for a phone, why not just spend a little bit more and get the state-of-the-art Nexus 4?
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mattdm said:
If you're going to spend ~$250 for a phone, why not just spend a little bit more and get the state-of-the-art Nexus 4?
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I honestly did gave it a serious thought.. but:
1) LG brand is holding me back.
2) Limited storage/No mem card slot (something which does irks me)
3) It ll be glass on both sides. More chances of the compulsion to use it in a case.
4) I am not too big a fan of massive screens.. (barely convinced myself to go wee bit beyond the 4inch real estate)
India uses GSM so it'll definitely work with your carrier, I'm from Kenya and I used the phone without any issues, only thing is when you do get the phone you'll have to downgrade it to Gingerbread in order for sim unlock tools downloadable from play store to actually work, as most that are sold are. Also AOSP is full of issues if you plan on flashing CM10/AOKP but Samsung ROMS should perform beautifully and with expected 4.1 its a good buy, though I sold mine for Nexus 4
spacescreamer said:
Hello..
I have zeroed in on the Samsung Galaxy S2 SGH-i777 phone as my next upgrade and would like to get it off US Ebay. (Basically a mint pre owned piece.)
I am from India and hence i have few queries.
1) Is there any chance the Exynos chipset might not be present in any random Samsung Galaxy S2 SGH-i777 ?
I remember its counterpart phone in India also had an alternate version. Hence want to confirm.
2) What's the scenario regarding the service carrier maligning issue? I heard about it few weeks back.. no idea about current scene.
I am basically looking for the US counterpart of SAMSUNG I9100 GALAXY S II, which was released here in India.
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3621&idPhone2=4130
Pls do excuse me if i missed out on threads regarding above posted question..
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You already got many responses from others, I just chip in a bit.
1. If it's legitimated product made for AT&T, then it is, would be, have to be Exynos.
As for the counterfeit part? Seriously, nobody know. We just simply cannot check.
2. Depends on your end, if it has GSM network then it would work, however, depends on the frequency they operate, you might only get 3G speed and not take full advantage of the 4G (H+) one.
@votinh
err.. no counterfeiting thing.. i mentioned counterpart
Thank you for the other valuable info in your post.
We have two versions of S2 floating in India. One has the Exynos chipset, the other ( i9100G) seems to be having a slightly inferior SOC.
While purchasing here, one can be aware of the model no for both G as well as non-G with due diligence and adequate research regarding the stickers on the box mentioning the details. The G model does have a noticeably weaker GPU in the form of SGX 540.
I got concerned after hearing that the model i9100G does not have too much love from the development community simply because it is not available widely & in most territories (it probably is only available in asia pacific countries only)
To ask another query.. and this might be vague..
What's the future of the S2 phone.. both in terms of official and custom ROM releases..?
It surely has the firepower under the hood to go some decent distance i think.. but with all these quad core based phones now making an appearance.. will the official rom be made to order for advanced configurations..??
spacescreamer said:
@votinh
err.. no counterfeiting thing.. i mentioned counterpart
Thank you for the other valuable info in your post.
We have two versions of S2 floating in India. One has the Exynos chipset, the other ( i9100G) seems to be having a slightly inferior SOC.
While purchasing here, one can be aware of the model no for both G as well as non-G with due diligence and adequate research regarding the stickers on the box mentioning the details. The G model does have a noticeably weaker GPU in the form of SGX 540.
I got concerned after hearing that the model i9100G does not have too much love from the development community simply because it is not available widely & in most territories (it probably is only available in asia pacific countries only)
To ask another query.. and this might be vague..
What's the future of the S2 phone.. both in terms of official and custom ROM releases..?
It surely has the firepower under the hood to go some decent distance i think.. but with all these quad core based phones now making an appearance.. will the official rom be made to order for advanced configurations..??
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Seems to me, the S2 is on its way out, if it hasn't already been officially discontinued. If I were buying a new phone, I would get the most recent model possible, because the rate at which new models are introduced.
Also, what is your discomfort with LG?
Honestly the Nexus 4 is a scrub phone compared to the i777
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something worth taking note... is the i777 can take a serious beating. much more than any other phone i have come in contact with. it will scar and mar. the metal band will take on some serious gashes and the screen will stay unharmed. it is the only reason i still have this phone and have not upgraded.
that being said... if speed is what you want, buy something else. this is 2010 tech after all.