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In March 2008, the International Telecommunications Union-Radio communications sector (ITU-R) specified a set of requirements for 4G standards, named the International Mobile Telecommunications Advanced (IMT-Advanced) specification, setting peak speed requirements for 4G service at 100 megabits per second (Mbit/s) for high mobility communication (such as from trains and cars) and 1 gigabit per second (Gbit/s) for low mobility communication (such as pedestrians and stationary users).[1]
Since the above mentioned first-release versions of Mobile WiMAX and LTE support much less than 1 Gbit/s peak bit rate, they are not fully IMT-Advanced compliant, but are often branded 4G by service providers. On December 6, 2010, ITU-R recognized that these two technologies, as well as other beyond-3G technologies that do not fulfill the IMT-Advanced requirements, could nevertheless be considered "4G", provided they represent forerunners to IMT-Advanced compliant versions and "a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed".[2]
Mobile WiMAX Release 2 (also known as WirelessMAN-Advanced or IEEE 802.16m') and LTE Advanced (LTE-A) are IMT-Advanced compliant backwards compatible versions of the above two systems, standardized during the spring 2011,[citation needed] and promising peak bit rates in the order of 1 Gbit/s. Services are expected in 2013.[3]
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Basically the real definition of 4G is 100mb/s in trains/cars and 1gb/s standing still. LTE Advanced, which promises these speeds, will probably be advertised as 4.5G just like CDMA was advertised as 3.5G.
If services are expected in 2013, however, Sprint services are expected in 2300.
Yeah this was known already.
DarkManX4lf said:
Yeah this was known already.
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Oops, my bad, looks like I'm late to the party.
Yeah, and I have strange feeling that my "3G" isn't really 3G either...lol.
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flonker said:
Yeah, and I have strange feeling that my "3G" isn't really 3G either...lol.
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yep...at times its not even 56k.
DarkManX4lf said:
yep...at times its not even 56k.
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i was gonna help people calibrate their 3G to always get a minimum of 500+ kbps...always, not far from 1Mbps (i peak @ 2.2Mbps at 3:30am when no one is on lol)... but thanks to the flamewars and ignorance at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1673047 ... im never helping anyone with ****.. so thank them
mmm leech
Tilde88 said:
i was gonna help people calibrate their 3G to always get a minimum of 500+ kbps...always, not far from 1Mbps (i peak @ 2.2Mbps at 3:30am when no one is on lol)... but thanks to the flamewars and ignorance at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1673047 ... im never helping anyone with ****.. so thank them
mmm leech
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Thank yourself duschebag. No one needs a cry baby like you. If you don't want to contribute, leave xda. We obviously don't respect you here anymore, due to your childish acting...
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Thank yourself duschebag. No one needs a cry baby like you. If you don't want to contribute, leave xda. We obviously don't respect you here anymore, due to your childish acting...
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fralala more troll... people like you ruin this community.
Tilde88 said:
i was gonna help people calibrate their 3G to always get a minimum of 500+ kbps...always, not far from 1Mbps (i peak @ 2.2Mbps at 3:30am when no one is on lol)... but thanks to the flamewars and ignorance at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1673047 ... im never helping anyone with ****.. so thank them
mmm leech
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fralala more troll... people like you ruin this community.
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actually it is people like you that are ruining XDA.
Tilde88 said:
fralala more troll... people like you ruin this community.
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Uhm, you should slow your roll. You definitely posted the most useless reply. You said you can help someone but your not going to because someone proved a point in another thread and it made you look stupid? Grow up, its time to drop the bottle. Oh, if you're a little angry or tense...unclench and let the stick fall out.
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Didn't Tilde say he was going to leave XDA? Whatever happened to that?
EDIT: Mods please lock this thread before it gets out of hand
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yep...at times its not even 56k.
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lol
Let's not derail this thread guys, because of actions of others in other threads. Just ignore the trolls.
As for the whole "not 4G thing" Well... LOL at least it's faster? It sucks that carriers won't wait for a standard to be made but whatever as long as sprint does its part in the rollout its still going to be hell of a lot faster than 3G. Even wimax is beauty compared
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isn't this common knowledge?
I'd assume thats the same all around the world where they have "4G" available.
So why are carriers and manufacturers advertising it as 4G when the standard doesn't exist so far?
ace9988 said:
I'd assume thats the same all around the world where they have "4G" available.
So why are carriers and manufacturers advertising it as 4G when the standard doesn't exist so far?
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Two words money grab
ace9988 said:
I'd assume thats the same all around the world where they have "4G" available.
So why are carriers and manufacturers advertising it as 4G when the standard doesn't exist so far?
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The reason they did it, sprint specifically, is because their was no standard. And since their was none they had nothing stopping them from advertising it as 4G. They might have even been hoping to set the standard before clearwires debt got in the way.
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I think they messed up when specifying what the 4g standard speeds should be. We won't see 1 gigabit download speeds for YEARS, like most us will probably be dead before that happens. I think LTE should be labeled as 4g as it is a next generation of technology and speed as compared to cdma and gsm so I don't blaim carriers for doing that.
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I think they messed up when specifying what the 4g standard speeds should be. We won't see 1 gigabit download speeds for YEARS, like most us will probably be dead before that happens. I think LTE should be labeled as 4g as it is a next generation of technology and speed as compared to cdma and gsm so I don't blaim carriers for doing that.
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While it won't be 1 gigabit, it will still be a whopping amount depending on what frequency carriers use. Maybe around 500-700 mbs or lower?
And since other people will be sharing the connection, you'll end up with around 100-300 mbs which is still insane.
To put it in to relativity, LTE is supposed to be 75mb/s but the end user receives 10-20mb/s.
If 3G to LTE was a 10x higher difference, LTE to LTE Advanced was a 10x higher jump, I think we can guess that 5g will be 10x higher than 4g LTE. This means 5G should be 1GB/s to the end user. I'm pretty sure 5G will be out in our lifetimes.
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While it won't be 1 gigabit, it will still be a whopping amount depending on what frequency carriers use. Maybe around 500-700 mbs or lower?
And since other people will be sharing the connection, you'll end up with around 100-300 mbs which is still insane.
To put it in to relativity, LTE is supposed to be 75mb/s but the end user receives 10-20mb/s.
If 3G to LTE was a 10x higher difference, LTE to LTE Advanced was a 10x higher jump, I think we can guess that 5g will be 10x higher than 4g LTE. This means 5G should be 1GB/s to the end user. I'm pretty sure 5G will be out in our lifetimes.
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While the technology can support that, I don't see any carriers backhaul being able to support that kind of bandwidth. They would need to do a monumental overhaul to get those kind of speeds to every customer. Sprint ran into this issue with their network and now they ate redoing their entire network. And while it will be a huge upgrade, even that won't be able to handle delivering "true" 4G speeds to everyone.
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One hour I'm at 800kbps. The next I'm at 2200. Then 200. Then 600. What the hell is going on? Its been like this for weeks. Are they messing with the towers? Where do you guys get your sprint news to know when this stuff is happening. It just seems so eratic. Thoughts?
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Are they messing with the towers?
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It's likely they are for your area:
http://newsroom.sprint.com/press_kits.cfm?presskit_id=19
Gotchya ok. Well that's nice to hear. Hopefully it will all settle down soon. It's been like a month with this crazyness. But I could see that it could take that long to do the many towers in this area, causing congestion and such. Thanks for the info
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Gotchya ok. Well that's nice to hear. Hopefully it will all settle down soon. It's been like a month with this crazyness. But I could see that it could take that long to do the many towers in this area, causing congestion and such. Thanks for the info
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Hopefully you're lucky and that's exactly what's going on in your area.
your lucky. I can't even think about getting those speeds here ever. The MAX i see is about 1.13Mbps and thats at 6am here when no one else is on the tower. During normal hours of the day its 0.16Mbps avg. Just thankful I'm always around wifi connection for the most part.
can't wait till they get to my area and get things rocking.
Seems like once the evo got cheaper **** is slow around here now. I think its just to many users and to much data for one tower to handle.
My 3g was alright on my evo, since i've got my evo3d its almost useless in most locations
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It's likely they are for your area:
http://newsroom.sprint.com/press_kits.cfm?presskit_id=19
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I knew a small amount about their network upgrade, specifically via my interest in 4g (mainly LTE), because I was lied to when I opened my sprint account about 4g availability. Here in Arizona there is next to no 4g [both indoor and outdoor] coverage, and none in my city despite it being the 5 th fastest growing city in the us. Their current Wimax roll out is/was despicable, and an absolute failure. LTE has more potential than Wimax, from the way I hear it the evo 3D should be capable of either frequency spectrum with just a software update (can't verify the accuracy of that fact), but some indoor Wimax would be a huge upgrade for me!
The detail in the article you posted made it an exciting read, thanks for doing the dirty work and finding and posting this little glimmer of hope!
Data on sprint sucks right now...I'm getting a whopping 55k down during the day, and 600k during the evening...I'm not looking forward to iPhone hitting...its going to get much worse
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I knew a small amount about their network upgrade, specifically via my interest in 4g (mainly LTE), because I was lied to when I opened my sprint account about 4g availability. Here in Arizona there is next to no 4g [both indoor and outdoor] coverage, and none in my city despite it being the 5 th fastest growing city in the us. Their current Wimax roll out is/was despicable, and an absolute failure. LTE has more potential than Wimax, from the way I hear it the evo 3D should be capable of either frequency spectrum with just a software update (can't verify the accuracy of that fact), but some indoor Wimax would be a huge upgrade for me!
The detail in the article you posted made it an exciting read, thanks for doing the dirty work and finding and posting this little glimmer of hope!
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Just so you know the general argument LTE > WiMax is the most bogus miss informed crap out there. your comparing standards, and as far as speed is concerned they both offer the same roughly. The reason WiMax gets a bad rap is b/c of the freq spectrum it is rolled out on being 2.5GHz doesn't get much building penetration hence the low coverage areas. If they were to put LTE on the same band WiMax is currently on we all would get identical results.
The only reason this rollout is going to be better and will give LTE a better coverage than WiMax is b/c of the freq they are rolling it out on is much lower, so much better building penetration.
The reason they dont do that with WiMax, is b/c now at this point LTE has been adopted by VZ and in turn has gained a lot of steem form suppliers making the costs to rollout LTE equipment much less than it was when they initially rolled WiMax with Clearwire.
Thanks for your reply, I am educated in physics and had forgotten about your frequency point. However I had read that LTE has the potential for up to 80mbit, where Wimax is much lower. Do you know whether that information is false or not?
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Thanks for your reply, I am educated in physics and had forgotten about your frequency point. However I had read that LTE has the potential for up to 80mbit, where Wimax is much lower. Do you know whether that information is false or not?
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If they were to use more spectrum speeds could be much higher but right now Clearwire is only using 10MHz channels. LTE Advanced/WiMAX 2 are also supposed to speed it up significantly but I'm not even sure if they've finished writing the standards for it yet.
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One hour I'm at 800kbps. The next I'm at 2200. Then 200. Then 600. What the hell is going on? Its been like this for weeks. Are they messing with the towers? Where do you guys get your sprint news to know when this stuff is happening. It just seems so eratic. Thoughts?
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When the speeds are so low, its because all the Hipsters are on break from/at starbucks
Sad Panda said:
I knew a small amount about their network upgrade, specifically via my interest in 4g (mainly LTE), because I was lied to when I opened my sprint account about 4g availability. Here in Arizona there is next to no 4g [both indoor and outdoor] coverage, and none in my city despite it being the 5 th fastest growing city in the us. Their current Wimax roll out is/was despicable, and an absolute failure. LTE has more potential than Wimax, from the way I hear it the evo 3D should be capable of either frequency spectrum with just a software update (can't verify the accuracy of that fact), but some indoor Wimax would be a huge upgrade for me!
The detail in the article you posted made it an exciting read, thanks for doing the dirty work and finding and posting this little glimmer of hope!
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I assure being one the fastest growing cities means nothing to them at this time... It's when you hit the top of the largest cities it matters to them... Cape coral is close to me, used to be the number 1 fastest growing city in America for awhile...
4g is pretty close to me about an 1hr-1.5hr drive to get a connection to 4g, they just can't get the work done to these towers fast enough lol, even in the huge cities the 4g coverage sucks.
Hopefully we will see some speed boosts soon...
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Towers around Depew, NY (3G Speeds)
Download: 950 to 1600 kbps
Upload: 600 to 800 kbps
The one right up the street from me that they "fixed"
Download: 114 to 360 kbps
Upload 550 to 700 kbps
Also apparently i'm now covered by LTE (shakes fist at WiMAX)
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When the speeds are so low, its because all the Hipsters are on break from/at starbucks
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LOL!!
My Home in Aston feels like it has full support as the WiMax & 3G are extremely high (2.5Mbps 3G & 12-15Mbps 4G) In the city of Philadelphia its wonky as hell during the peak hours.
Extremely jealous of you fellas with not only 4g, but fast as balls 3G. My 3G speed is horrible. Tmobile was so much better and faster. They at least had fast 4g.
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Just saw this on twitter from android police.
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That is good news! I'm due to call back a higher up in sprint about my horrible so called premium data that is 1X standards.
I get 913 down and 514 up on 3G
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I just got 1mb down, and 1.5mb up on 3g. Not home right now but that's about double my normal home speed.
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Highly considering taking back my LTE and picking up a One X on ATT. I just can't handle 200kbs speeds when ATT has HSPA+ in my area running 8000kbs. Hell most of the time my data won't even function. Compared to my OG and 3D Evo, that actually worked decently.
What would I sacrifice? Battery life? Obviously the camera button, kickstand, and SD card..
You'd be sacrificing the chances of being a part of Network Vision. Wait til it hits your area and try out the LTE and new 3G updates, then make your decision.
don't forget you also have to worry about the locked bootloader issue. Although there's a workaround available already, it looks very high-risk:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1671396
if you think the things you listed above is a good trade-off for 3/5gb of fast data, then go for it.
Who knows when so-called Network Vision goes live in unannounced markets. If you're not part of the 1st or 2nd wave and/or paying $50 or less/mo as part of some SERO plan, I'd return and go with a more mature data network.
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atlgator said:
Who knows when so-called Network Vision goes live in unannounced markets. If you're not part of the 1st or 2nd wave and/or paying $50 or less/mo as part of some SERO plan, I'd return and go with a more mature data network.
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i agree 100%. While I'm sure sprint is doing their best to revamp their network it wouldn't be wise to sign into another 2 year contract with them if your data speeds are that terrible and you don't know when the network vision upgrade will hit you...Also everybody is assuming that network vision is going to be the second coming of Jesus for sprint, but until they actually prove themselves you have no reason to believe that their network is going to get any better.
Wimax was absolutely useless for the large majority of sprint customers because of how unreliable it was. I'm sure LTE is going to be better, but i'm not going to take sprints word for it until it proves itself.
To each their own. I don't' mind the 3G so much, because everywhere I go has either open wifi, or there's wifi at work and at home. Problem solved - at least for me.
Most importantly, you're going to miss out on the true unlimited plan. Goodluck with that limit data.
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Most importantly, you're going to miss out on the true unlimited plan. Goodluck with that limit data.
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right, no unlimited data, and if there is a "unlimied" it slows down over time, aside from that...its hell expensive..but if you dont mind paying alot of extra for higher speeds...why not.. and from what i read i dont recomend the att one for the reason that it does not have external storage.
3 GB is plenty of data, I bet you don't even use half that per month on sprint. I'm not torrenting on my phone or anything, most apps are less than 20mb, and I'm not streaming full hd movies on a tiny screen.
Do yourself a favor, remember the best speed that you have ever had on sprint (hell even WiMax, I'll be lenient, 6Mbps). Now go into a Verizon or AT&T store and watch their 3g speed absolutely destroy that.
I;m in Dallas, so the city is an LTE firebed, I went into a AT&T store and ran a speed test on their network. I was getting anywhere from 32Mbps to 52 Mbps, yes, you read that correctly, approximately 8x the best speed of sprint.
Stop crippling your phones.
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3 GB is plenty of data, I bet you don't even use half that per month on sprint. I'm not torrenting on my phone or anything, most apps are less than 20mb, and I'm not streaming full hd movies on a tiny screen.
Do yourself a favor, remember the best speed that you have ever had on sprint (hell even WiMax, I'll be lenient, 6Mbps). Now go into a Verizon or AT&T store and watch their 3g speed absolutely destroy that.
I;m in Dallas, so the city is an LTE firebed, I went into a AT&T store and ran a speed test on their network. I was getting anywhere from 32Mbps to 52 Mbps, yes, you read that correctly, approximately 8x the best speed of sprint.
Stop crippling your phones.
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If your not doing ne thing like streaming or torrenting what do you need faster data for?
Id rather have slow data, and have it be unlimited...than have it fast and worry about going over. I dont argue that VZ or ATT dont have better networks...they do...but they also charge twice as much for it while giving you less.
Sprints 3g is fast enough for 99% of what i do on my phone (light browsing, email, fb, etc), and the other 1% im usually on wifi for or lte when it comes out in my area.
Would i like Sprint to be faster...sure...do i need it bad enough that id be willing to spend 2 times what i pay now..not a chance.
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3 GB is plenty of data, I bet you don't even use half that per month on sprint.
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3GB is plenty? Yeah its plenty if you don't ever used Pandora, iheart or any other streaming radio app and you could forget about if you ever plan to use netflix or youtube. What's the point of all that speed if you can't hardly utilize it. Sorry but I'll take my change on getting locked in a unlimited LTE plan like Sprint then a teasing and expensive plan like AT&T.
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Do yourself a favor, remember the best speed that you have ever had on sprint (hell even WiMax, I'll be lenient, 6Mbps). Now go into a Verizon or AT&T store and watch their 3g speed absolutely destroy that.
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I hate to nit-pick, but EVDO Rev. A caps out at roughly 3000 kbps. I'm not sure where you're going to find a Verizon 3G device that will "destroy" 6 mbps considering that's what they're running on 3G devices.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution-Data_Optimized
While you can also argue that HSPA+ isn't truly 4G, and actually a modified 3G network, and based on the 3GPP standard. AT&T loves to tout this as part of their 4G network, and have fooled most non-technical people. These networks can provide a theoretical 160+ mbps, so yes, any network that can truly take advantage of newer HSPA+ hardware (phone and tower) can pull down incredible speeds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSPA+
We all know it's not fair to judge these figures against LTE networks, but as an example, my iPhone 4S will pull down about 1.3-1.6 mbps depending on the time of day. I'm excited that they're upgrading my phone after some hardware issues, and will be joining the Android fold once again with either a GNex or EVO LTE.
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i agree 100%. While I'm sure sprint is doing their best to revamp their network it wouldn't be wise to sign into another 2 year contract with them if your data speeds are that terrible and you don't know when the network vision upgrade will hit you...Also everybody is assuming that network vision is going to be the second coming of Jesus for sprint, but until they actually prove themselves you have no reason to believe that their network is going to get any better.
Wimax was absolutely useless for the large majority of sprint customers because of how unreliable it was. I'm sure LTE is going to be better, but i'm not going to take sprints word for it until it proves itself.
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I totally agree. Sprint has yet to prove their network can stand up to what the other carriers offer so ill believe it when I see it....
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shook187 said:
3GB is plenty? Yeah its plenty if you don't ever used Pandora, iheart or any other streaming radio app and you could forget about if you ever plan to use netflix or youtube. What's the point of all that speed if you can't hardly utilize it. Sorry but I'll take my change on getting locked in a unlimited LTE plan like Sprint then a teasing and expensive plan like AT&T.
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What good is unlimited data for music streaming apps in the car when the frigging phone keeps buffering?
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mastarifla said:
3 GB is plenty of data, I bet you don't even use half that per month on sprint.
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I use my 4G tablet as a wifi hotspot for my laptop at work. I typically burn through 500mb of data a night 4 nights a week. 1 work week = maxed out data.
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3GB of data is NOTHING.
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What good is unlimited data for music streaming apps in the car when the frigging phone keeps buffering?
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Yep this is what I hate the most.... Trying to stream music and it's always buffering..... Trying to stream low quality videos on YouTube and it's buffering....Like every two seconds...
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Yep this is what I hate the most.... Trying to stream music and it's always buffering..... Trying to stream low quality videos on YouTube and it's buffering....Like every two seconds...
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That's odd. I play Pandora and iheartradio with my phone all the time over Bluetooth to my helmet when I'm riding my motorcycle. I've never had a problem with either of them they both play flawlessly with no noticeable buffering.
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That's odd. I play Pandora and iheartradio with my phone all the time over Bluetooth to my helmet when I'm riding my motorcycle. I've never had a problem with either of them they both play flawlessly with no noticeable buffering.
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Not really all about how outdated their towers are in that area by my house speeds suck literally, five minutes down The road one way they are great go down Five minutes the other way they are worse lol
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Not really all about how outdated their towers are in that area by my house speeds suck literally, five minutes down The road one way they are great go down Five minutes the other way they are worse lol
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Well then, the only logical solution is to move. LTEvo > House.
According to PC Mag.com Sprint has the worst...at times where Metro PCS and Sprint has coverage in the same area...Metro PCS has faster data speeds....This is pretty pathetic...
http://www.pcmag.com/fastest-mobile-networks
I undertstand network vision is supposed to make Sprint service and data speeds better...but at times I have my doubts....
If this has been posted before....my bad...and delete thread...
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According to PC Mag.com Sprint has the worst...at times where Metro PCS and Sprint has coverage in the same area...Metro PCS has faster data speeds....This is pretty pathetic...
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2405617,00.asp
I undertstand network vision is supposed to make Sprint service and data speeds better...but at times I have my doubts....
If this has been posted before....my bad...and delete thread...
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Those are all lies! Sprints 3G Speeds work great at 3am and nobody is on it!
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Those are all lies! Sprints 3G Speeds work great at 3am and nobody is on it!
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Its sad, but true.
Not only does Sprint's speeds suck; but also like to charge every customer an extra $10 amonth for a 4g service that is only in a handful of areas. I live in Rancho Cordova (Sacramento Co.), CA and we've never had 4g. Sprint also had no intentions of updated my area with 4g, but still more then happy to charge all of us for it.
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Not only does Sprint's speeds suck; but also like to charge every customer an extra $10 amonth for a 4g service that is only in a handful of areas. I live in Rancho Cordova (Sacramento Co.), CA and we've never had 4g. Sprint also had no intentions of updated my area with 4g, but still more then happy to charge all of us for it.
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The $10 fee isnt for 4G. Its for "premium data"...having the worst speeds must be the "premium data".
I didn't read the whole article but it seems like those results are for memphis :-\ I think we all know speeds are different depending on the area you're in. Sprint definitely isn't the fastest in my area, but it works for me. And if sprint was really that bad why in hell did you guys renewed your contracts anyways?
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According to PC Mag.com Sprint has the worst...at times where Metro PCS and Sprint has coverage in the same area...Metro PCS has faster data speeds....This is pretty pathetic...
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2405617,00.asp
I undertstand network vision is supposed to make Sprint service and data speeds better...but at times I have my doubts....
If this has been posted before....my bad...and delete thread...
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ZERO reason to have any doubts about speeds improving once NetworkVision is deployed in your area....Solves 99% of the issues, which the main one is capacity on the backhaul of the sites....that upgrade alone yields most problems fixed for the capacity troubled areas.....which id venture to say is most....
can't expect much from using bundled T1 lines for backhaul now a days....the equipment being deployed at the cell site's and also switch centers is state of the art stuff...watch the videos fromt he ALU presentation if you want. some BIG changes coming...
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I didn't read the whole article but it seems like those results are for memphis :-\ I think we all know speeds are different depending on the area you're in. Sprint definitely isn't the fastest in my area, but it works for me. And if sprint was really that bad why in hell did you guys renewed your contracts anyways?
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Yes yes, well said. People act so surprise when they see something like this, old freaking news about sprint. Sprint might be garbage now but it work in my area well and same goes with other carrier, good in some area and not so great in others. My main thing about sprint is not about their current speed of data but the unlimited plan which save us a lot of money.
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According to PC Mag.com Sprint has the worst...at times where Metro PCS and Sprint has coverage in the same area...Metro PCS has faster data speeds....This is pretty pathetic...
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2405617,00.asp
I undertstand network vision is supposed to make Sprint service and data speeds better...but at times I have my doubts....
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You use........ Too many........... Periods.........
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You use........ Too many........... Periods.........
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Yah I do that often
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ZERO reason to have any doubts about speeds improving once NetworkVision is deployed in your area....Solves 99% of the issues, which the main one is capacity on the backhaul of the sites....that upgrade alone yields most problems fixed for the capacity troubled areas.....which id venture to say is most....
can't expect much from using bundled T1 lines for backhaul now a days....the equipment being deployed at the cell site's and also switch centers is state of the art stuff...watch the videos fromt he ALU presentation if you want. some BIG changes coming...
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I hope so.
shook187 said:
I didn't read the whole article but it seems like those results are for memphis :-\ I think we all know speeds are different depending on the area you're in. Sprint definitely isn't the fastest in my area, but it works for me. And if sprint was really that bad why in hell did you guys renewed your contracts anyways?
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The results are for multiple areas....
Edit: I see what you are talking about. I posted the correct link in the op. The article has multiple cities tested.
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Yah I do that often
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Whenever someone does that, I can't help but feel like they're all gloomy and dark and depressing. Haha
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i don't know about you guys but i pull a steady 2 mpbs on my 3g just about anywhere in my town. and my town hasn't even gotten the network vision yet
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i don't know about you guys but i pull a steady 2 mpbs on my 3g just about anywhere in my town. and my town hasn't even gotten the network vision yet
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Thats nice. I hope I had that in my area...
Looks pretty fast to me
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And for mr.slaughter.....
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Looks pretty fast to me
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Yea...but even with Sprint LTE its slower than ATT or Verizon LTE...
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2405608,00.asp
I didn't need an article to know sprint's 3g is awful.... I just am dealing with it for now in the hopes LTE actually pans out. I also hope it functions a whole lot better than 4G wimax did (i.e. if you were on the move you could never keep a 4g wimax signal).
Consistantly I get around .8-1.6 here and sometimes even around 2.2 which is definitely nice IMO but either way I am happy with sprint personally and dont have any reason to complain. I am tired of seeing "My Carrier Sucks" all by itself when it SHOULD read, "My Carrier Sucks For ME In MY Area". Sprint isn't a big carrier because they suck, the have obviously done certain things right and made SOME people happy like me. Not meant to be mean but it all boils down to your experience and area to be honest.
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I haven't found them to be any slower than my friends Verizon 3G speeds.
http://m.gizmodo.com/5919387/sprints-upcoming-4g-lte-networkat-least-its-faster-than-wimax
Sprint plans to debut the new LTE system by the end of the year, rolling it out to Atlanta, Baltimore, Dallas, Houston, Kansas City, and San Antonio. The rest of the country will be reportedly covered by the end of 2014, though company spokespeople have yet to confirm when and where it will launch until then.
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As long as its 800mhz I could care less whether its lte or wimax.
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I'm not sure a speed test with no one else on it really means anything. It's the same as when everyone is drooling over the fact they can see a lte signal is available in their neighborhood but they can't connect to it. But they promise it will be live soon. Gosh, isn't there something they promised us that others can see but we can't get? What was that......Hmmm?
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As long as its 800mhz I could care less whether its lte or wimax.
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QFT!
Had WiMax used 800mhz it would've done so much better! I've said that for a while. I don't think there is anything wrong with WiMax aside from the frequency Sprint and Clear uses.
LTE will be launched on the 1900 and eventually get to the 800. It will be on both depending on how far away you are from the tower. WiMAX will still have its own seperate tower and will still be 2.4Ghz
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May I once again say that SPRINT DOES NOT HAVE A 4G NETWORK. They never have and they never will. If you want a 4G network... Go with Verizon wireless. 50+M down 12+M up.
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May I once again say that SPRINT DOES NOT HAVE A 4G NETWORK. They never have and they never will. If you want a 4G network... Go with Verizon wireless. 50+M down 12+M up.
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Lol except now that there are many users on it that 50 down is more like 10. Similar to sprint
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May I once again say that SPRINT DOES NOT HAVE A 4G NETWORK. They never have and they never will. If you want a 4G network... Go with Verizon wireless. 50+M down 12+M up.
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If you want to get technical, no one has a true 4G network. 4G standards are set at 100 mpbs while mobile and 1 gbps while stationary. Also, 50 mb down? Yea dude, in your dreams. My friends galaxy nexus normally gets around 10 mbps, and not much higher peak. Sprints new network will be very competitive with what Verizon and ATT offers, especially once they roll out LTE on the 800 mhz channel that iDEN is sucking up and when they partner it with clearwire's TDD-LTE network on 2500 mhz. Combined, they own more spectrum than any other carrier.
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May I once again say that SPRINT DOES NOT HAVE A 4G NETWORK. They never have and they never will. If you want a 4G network... Go with Verizon wireless. 50+M down 12+M up.
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By that logic, Sprint LTE is 40+M down and 10+M up. Once you get people on the network, it turns to 12down/4up on both networks. I doubt we'll see any major difference between Verizon's and sprint's speeds.
Don't believe me? Switch to Verizon and run a speedtest on their LTE. If it goes faster than 15mbps down, I'll eat my nuts.
And as another user also said, nobody has a real 4G network yet. LTE-Advanced will reach real 4G speeds of 1GB down/100mb up.
I must say that no carrier has a true by the definition 4g network by definition a 4g network has 100 mbps still down speed and only train cars really have that and some private networks but no cell carriers not even Verizon has that
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Id be happy with 500k down right now damn. I consistently run 60k to 200k and I'm in a large metro area. Was rocking a 40k down for 6 months until recently. With that plus this ics wait sprint has lost me as a future customer. I'm rooting for sprint as a competitor, but I can't wait till Verizon gets a decent phone. Id rather have a consistent 1m+ down and pay more for it than this spotty crap.
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faster than rogers
I'm patiently waiting for network vision to come to Raleigh NC, but I can't say that a bad ass Nexus device on Verizon later this year wouldn't make me switch. I'm loving unlimited data but I just might switch for being able to have the latest and greatest Nexus device when Sprint usually gets it months later. With a 2 GB plan, Verizon is the same price as Sprint for me but I would probably end up having to get a 4 GB plan since I use a bit more than 2 a month, but I would be willing to pay an extra 10 a month for an awesome phone and the incredible verizon 4G we have around here. I mean after all, I switched to Sprint because of the OG Evo.
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Id be happy with 500k down right now damn. I consistently run 60k to 200k and I'm in a large metro area. Was rocking a 40k down for 6 months until recently. With that plus this ics wait sprint has lost me as a future customer. I'm rooting for sprint as a competitor, but I can't wait till Verizon gets a decent phone. Id rather have a consistent 1m+ down and pay more for it than this spotty crap.
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3G was never a problem for me:
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I'm happy with wimax, more so since it started to work in my whole place. I just ran a few speed tests in my bedroom and speeds were very good.
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I sure do wish that I had some 4g wimax sometimes. This phone was suppose to have awesome 3g speeds but mostly it just sucks ass. What do ya'll think. Im in Plano Texas north of Dallas Texas. Really pissing me off. I think Sprint should go take out a loan and get LTE GOING.
3g sucks ass down here mostly but LTE is great, only going to get better as network vision continues. ive yet to read anything on this phone that said it was supposed to have awesome 3g speeds. a phone cant magically make sprints under capacitied 3g network suddenly great.
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3g sucks ass down here mostly but LTE is great, only going to get better as network vision continues. ive yet to read anything on this phone that said it was supposed to have awesome 3g speeds. a phone cant magically make sprints under capacitied 3g network suddenly great.
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Before the phone came out they said that LTE 3g speeds would be faster than the 3g speeds we had before.
What would make this phones 3g speeds on this device any different from any other device? I mean a crappy network is a crappy network. If anything I think it has worse speed and reception than my photon. But that phones radios where awesome.
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Before the phone came out they said that LTE 3g speeds would be faster than the 3g speeds we had before.
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That my friend, is a Marketing tactic called False Advertising.
Sprint is working on upgrading their network. 3G speeds and coverage will get better as they continue their "Operation Leapfrog" aka "Network Vision" rollout. The EVO LTE cannot connect to WiMAX. LTE and WiMAX are two different 4G technologies.
Mines an EVO WiFi phone! I got the special edition with broken radios. I'm trading it in for a normal 4G LTE on Wednesday when they get a shipment in. Until then, I'm rocking a Samsung Exclaim!
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Before the phone came out they said that LTE 3g speeds would be faster than the 3g speeds we had before.
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They didn't say the phone would cause that, they said that their Network Vision upgrades would. Which they are still working on.
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there's verizon 4g lte out in my area at I really wish I could roam onto -_-
sadly i dont think sprint will put wimax or LTE in my area for years to come
Let's just change the General section to Complaints.
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Let's just change the General section to Complaints.
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Haha right! I Mena LTE just started to roll out a couple of weeks ago. Dude you in Texas. I'm sure you have e a good chance of seeing it first over most in the country. Just chill. GIve it some time. Sooner or later things will work out.
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I sure do wish that I had some 4g wimax sometimes. This phone was suppose to have awesome 3g speeds but mostly it just sucks ass. What do ya'll think. Im in Plano Texas north of Dallas Texas. Really pissing me off. I think Sprint should go take out a loan and get LTE GOING.
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What part of Plano. I got brief spots of coverage at independence and Plano parkway and from coit up to Parker but that was all I was able to test.
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Let's just change the General section to Complaints.
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Lol
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cswtexas9 said:
Before the phone came out they said that LTE 3g speeds would be faster than the 3g speeds we had before.
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That my friend, is a Marketing tactic called False Advertising.
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Absolutely NOT a marketing tactic...sorry but if you paid attention to only the part you wanted to, then that is your own fault....they never said the 3G speed of this particular device would be faster than other devices 3G speeds....
They said they are in the middle of rolling out nationwide network overhaul that in turn will vastly increase the 3G speeds in the troubled areas where capacity is an issue...
Change is coming and coming soon...ppl need to just quit complaining about the speeds and data issues at this point or just move onto another carrier...If they somehow dont hit their projected completion of NV rollouts of end of next year(which initially was set to 2015!!) then I can understand hearing complaints then...till then though.....nothing has changed in years so why complain now?...suck it up and deal with what we all already knew, or move on and enjoy your tiered data plan....
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Absolutely NOT a marketing tactic...sorry but if you paid attention to only the part you wanted to, then that is your own fault....they never said the 3G speed of this particular device would be faster than other devices 3G speeds....
They said they are in the middle of rolling out nationwide network overhaul that in turn will vastly increase the 3G speeds in the troubled areas where capacity is an issue...
Change is coming and coming soon...ppl need to just quit complaining about the speeds and data issues at this point or just move onto another carrier...If they somehow dont hit their projected completion of NV rollouts of end of next year(which initially was set to 2015!!) then I can understand hearing complaints then...till then though.....nothing has changed in years so why complain now?...suck it up and deal with what we all already knew, or move on and enjoy your tiered data plan....
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+1 Burn.
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Absolutely NOT a marketing tactic...sorry but if you paid attention to only the part you wanted to, then that is your own fault....they never said the 3G speed of this particular device would be faster than other devices 3G speeds....
They said they are in the middle of rolling out nationwide network overhaul that in turn will vastly increase the 3G speeds in the troubled areas where capacity is an issue...
Change is coming and coming soon...ppl need to just quit complaining about the speeds and data issues at this point or just move onto another carrier...If they somehow dont hit their projected completion of NV rollouts of end of next year(which initially was set to 2015!!) then I can understand hearing complaints then...till then though.....nothing has changed in years so why complain now?...suck it up and deal with what we all already knew, or move on and enjoy your tiered data plan....
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I dunno, It seems like 3G on my LTEVO sucks worse than normal. I just came from the GNEX and was getting respectable speeds (as respectable as sprint can get I guess) but right now I'm getting nothing above 20 Kilobytes/ps... I'm in Orlando, Fl so I'm hoping maybe they are working on showing us some LTE love right now to explain the recent drought in data.
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I dunno, It seems like 3G on my LTEVO sucks worse than normal. I just came from the GNEX and was getting respectable speeds (as respectable as sprint can get I guess) but right now I'm getting nothing above 20 Kilobytes/ps... I'm in Orlando, Fl so I'm hoping maybe they are working on showing us some LTE love right now to explain the recent drought in data.
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3g speeds have been the same in the last two years.... Actually longer than that.. . It's been pretty crappy.