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Ok I hope I've finally found the right forum. I was posting in modmymobile and not getting the help I needed. Finally a friend of mine told me about this forum and told me anyone who knew anything about Android posted here. As you can imagine I was on modmymobile because I was a frequent user of modmyi. I am an iPhone guy. An iPhone guy that is DESPERATELY trying to make the jump to Android.
I have my gripes with this phone versus my iPhone 4; for example the iPhone screen makes the Atrix look like a gameboy in my opinion (most notably at off angle viewing) and the build quality is no where near the same. BUT I can already see after 1 day of use why Android is superior. The thing is endless in customization, and for the most part the OS is more functional on every level.
With that said, PLEASE HELP. This fricken phone is supposed to be the fastest thing on the planet and it chugs a long like a snail. For example: If I were to load up a webpage with many pictures, such as phonescoop, and touch the middle of the screen and gently move it in circles, it stutters the entire time. Anytime I am zooming and or scrolling around a page I am constantly seeing stutter. Safari does not do this. I figured it was a browser problem so I tried Opera and Dolphin HD as well. While Dolphin was a bit better, it still does not compare to Safari. Not only that, when I'm scrolling through pictures I've taken its the same thing. Even the settings menu seems to chug!
My only hope is that the bloatware and Moto Blur is what is causing this stutter, so I desperately need help on how to remove any and everything from the phone that is not necessary. Not to mention Moto Blur looks disgusting. Please point me to a tutorial where I can learn how to root (make sure it will allow unroot please) and then please guide me on how to get all this crap off the phone. I think moto Blur is called a "Launcher"? Can you also reccomend the speediest and nicest looking launcher to go with as well.
I really really really want to replace my iPhone with this phone, but if it doesn't make sense I can not make the switch. I am already going to have to deal with the sub-par (in my opinion) screen, but I just can not deal with a laggy phone. What scares me the most is that I had my buddy come over last night that has an Inspire rooted and running at 1300mhz and his browser stutterd just the same. Please don't tell me this is an Android thing, I don't want something so trivial to ruin this for me. I really want to convert. For the record I chose the Atrix not only because of the speed, but because of the webtop and HD dock as well.
Thank you in advance and I hope I can get educated here.
Dolphin browser runs that site very well for me, no stutter as you say.
For a launcher, I'm using Go launcher, and also like ADW, and launcher pro.
Haplodroid said:
Dolphin browser runs that site very well for me, no stutter as you say.
For a launcher, I'm using Go launcher, and also like ADW, and launcher pro.
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Did you remove blur and replace it with that launcher? In doing that does it remove the bloatware and free up system resources? Id like to make the phone as fast as possible
Err...use the built-in task manager to kill apps that are either taking up CPU (though you're not using them) or a lot of RAM or both. Uninstall stuff you don't need.
Also note that this is not an iPhone, so quitting an app in a normal way (using back button / quit icon if available) is a lot better performance-wise than pressing the home button.
In your browser, close windows you do not need. Really. And switch on "on-demand" flash (it's in the browser options somewhere) so that it only loads flash elements when you click on them.
You could also try Firefox as a browser, it comes with its own engine. All other browsers in Android (afaik) use the built-in webkit engine, so are basically the same thing "under the hood".
Hope that helps. The phone is a beast, but that does not mean that you cannot slow it down
I think its moto's ui that is causing all the problem. Motoblur indeed is disgusting. My android is a mere 1 ghz phone but it does not stutter at all. Atrix is indeed a slow phone not utilizing its dual cores. Ive used my brother's optimus 2x which has the same processor as the atrix and it blew me away with its speed.
when I removed Motoblur and added Miren it got fast
I use Go Ex as a launcher although Gingerbread or Launcher Pro is equally fast. Motoblur is the biggest culprit when it comes to slowing the Atrix down. Miren loads quickly as a browser. I also got rid of apps I do not use and installed Swype beta as well as the Gingerbread keyboard form the market. Additionally I am using three screens and a simple, static wallpaper. I have 15 apps on the dock and use gestures for the dialer and to check the battery. I'm rooted and use setCPU. Functionality is great now. I hope they release the Galaxy S II soon. I can't find much else to do with the Atrix.
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I use Go Ex as a launcher although Gingerbread or Launcher Pro is equally fast. Motoblur is the biggest culprit when it comes to slowing the Atrix down. Miren loads quickly as a browser. I also got rid of apps I do not use and installed Swype beta as well as the Gingerbread keyboard form the market. Additionally I am using three screens and a simple, static wallpaper. I have 15 apps on the dock and use gestures for the dialer and to check the battery. I'm rooted and use setCPU. Functionality is great now. I hope they release the Galaxy S II soon. I can't find much else to do with the Atrix.
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^^ this^^............
Does using a launcher like LauncherPro replace MotoBlur or does it just cover it up and I have to use TitaniumBackup to freeze MotoBlur behind LauncherPro?
DON'T download a launcher, it takes up ram and in overall will suck up ur memory.
What you want to do is just install Adeo and get ur phone deoxed, also remove bloatware, and you're phone will be FAST.
I haven't installed any launchers because they slow, i've tested it with LP and ADW and they don't co-operate too well with Atrix....i'm not sure but it might have something to do with the dual core not running right on the launchers.
I've had my phone constantly on for about 2 weeks now and it's still as fast as when i first booted it up. Also, knowing what ur running will help you understand what is sucking up performance if maybe you're running widgets that refresh every 15 min, it will hog ram.
Motoblur is a pretty good launcher...it just needs to be set up properly.
launcher pro scrolls much smoother than motoblur, and has that little spring effect the iphone does when you scroll between pages, it's excellent.Also, browsing as I've seen has been pretty hit, or miss, but on the xoom, which has the same guts as the atrix, website scrolling is much better. The only difference between the xoom and the atrix is froyo vs honeycomb, so that leads me to think this is a software bound problem.
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launcher pro scrolls much smoother than motoblur, and has that little spring effect the iphone does when you scroll between pages, it's excellent.Also, browsing as I've seen has been pretty hit, or miss, but on the xoom, which has the same guts as the atrix, website scrolling is much better. The only difference between the xoom and the atrix is froyo vs honeycomb, so that leads me to think this is a software bound problem.
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well froyo is not designed for dual core...honeycomb is designed for multiple core usage...if you didn't know the motorola xoom was Google's developer tab for designing honeycomb.
This has to do with the way the android browser renders pages. The Safari browser is GPU accelerated thus, is smooth as silk. The android browser is not (unless you have a Galaxy S I9000 international version). So no matter what you do, the android browser will NEVER be as smooth as Safari until they give it GPU acceleration like the Galaxy. There's only one way to currently have a smooth browsing experience, and that is Opera Mobile 11 beta. However, I tried it on an Atrix and it doesn't seem to work, so I guess you're out of luck there. Again, this doesn't particularly have to do with the Atrix as ALL android phones using the android browser aren't GPU accelerated except for the I9000.
It's something a lot of android users even on this forum will not admit: the android browser is laggy. Sure, it may be quick to them, but if you always have an iPhone next to it to compare to Safari, it'll always lose. Except for playing flash, where it always wins. =)
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For example: If I were to load up a webpage with many pictures, such as phonescoop, and touch the middle of the screen and gently move it in circles, it stutters the entire time. Anytime I am zooming and or scrolling around a page I am constantly seeing stutter. Safari does not do this.
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Safari is a very good browser...so its gona be tough. Root your Atrix through "aroot" and "freeze" your blur apps not remove them.
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use ginger blur and miren browser
so much better
I told you the guys here will take care of you Sean.
Ok heres an update.
So I found out that the firefox browser is by far the fastest browser with almost no lag whatsoever. I found this out before I modded the phone at all. I then rooted the phone and did the adeo modified rom on the phone and installed launcher pro. I also took off my live wallpaper. The only thing I haven't does is freeze all the bloatware. I'm kind of concerned that even though I'm using launcher pro, moto blur is still there and making the phone run slow.
Either way, the phone still chugs like a razr. For example, I took a random picture of my room. I then went into the "Gallery" app and looked at the picture. I zoomed in on it a bit and then dragged the picture around to scroll around and look at it; it chugged along like an NES game!!! It does the same thing while zooming in and out. What is going on!?
If I freeze the bloatware including moto blur, WILL my problem be fixed? I'm desperate.
I've found a thread that shows how to freeze the bloatware. I'll freeze everything including blur while I wait for you guys to respond. If I can't get this thing running up to par by the end of the week I'll need to return it. Which SUCKS because the benchmarks show that this is the fastest phone ever made (in stock form).
And really guys, what are the chances that the phone is only using 1 core because of 2.2? What are the chances that 2.3 will make this thing fly and eliminate the lag I am seeing?
You have to remember I am coming from an iPhone 4, which while not faster at all, SEEMS much faster because everything is so smooth. It seems stupid but I need the UI to be fluid, I won't be able to look past it. Thanks again.
**Are you guys with the super modded, OC phones on the newest versions of Android experiencing UI lag like I've mentioned above?**
More updates haha. Went to the market and downloaded "bloat freezer" and found that i cant use it because my device is not rooted. Looks like i rooted it and then when i installed the modded rom it erased my root or something. And since i dont have my usb cable here at work ill have to wait until i get home and re-root and then use bloat freezer.
Which rom did u install.....gingerblur? If so, it should have rooted it for u. Otherwise do the aroot process again. Then download titanium backup and freeze your bloateare through there.
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Which rom did u install.....gingerblur? If so, it should have rooted it for u. Otherwise do the aroot process again. Then download titanium backup and freeze your bloateare through there.
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Adeo v0.2 is what i have, is gingerblur faster? When i get home ill re-root and start freezing
I've had my Sony Tablet S since the 12/12/2011 and so far have been pleased with it.
Recently though, I've been experiancing lag on the homescreen, despite a factory reset and using other launchers and it wasn't until I read someone's rather harsh comments about it's shape and feel on another forum today, it made me think about returning it.
Does anyone else experiance lag at all, I find that on the lockscreen, when you have to move the little circle across to the out circle, my device does this slightly laggi'ly and the homescreen at times can create lag despite not many widgets.
I've always bought Archos products, had many of them and wanted a change from their new G9 range after seeing a few issues, but with the terrible HD play back and lag of built in media codecs (Yes I know about the other players, but it would be nice if it was all on the default video player) that have I made a mistake in buying it?
The gaming performance on the Sony is simply fantastic, I cannot praise that enough and the Tegra support there, something the Archos cannot do.
Any example of lag, would be coming out of an app like Browser, The homescreen for a few seconds, maybe 5 top is very laggy and then goes.
Many thanks.
er, try another launcher?
ADW, Go Launcher, Launcher Pro....
I've had my tablet s for less than a week, and my experience was also a bit horrible (& my first android device), everything was laggy: lockscreen, homescreen, apps, etc... until yesterday when i checked the installed apps and it turns out the tablet came with 2 versions of the market app, ver. 1.x.x and ver 3.x.x (i have no idea why) but i uninstalled the ver 1.x.x and now its f%$# fast, i doesn't lag at any point (i suppose THAT was the problem & solution).
Im still using normal stock apps and launchers, but maybe you can check that and see if it works for you.
Mine is pretty snappy so I'd say you either have a bad unit or an app causing the problems.. Are you using a task killer? If so delete it immediately as they cause far more problems than good.. Android does a great job managing the OS and task killers often stop processes that are needed.
Maybe try another factory reset and add apps one at a time, use for a bit and if no lag issues arrise add the next app on your list.. Keep doing this until you find the bad or problematic app... If you have lag right after the factory reset with no apps added then you probably have a bad Tablet and I'd exchange for another as defective.
My .02
Weird, I have no problems at all, sometimes when it stas to be a bit laggy, I do a normal reboot, at all goes perfectly normal..
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No problems here... I've had the 32GB version since September.
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This phone ticked the minimum requirements i had when looking for a tablet.
Upon testing the display models of several tablets, the sony tablet was blazing fast against all of them. So from my experience, it is the smoothest I've seen or used.
Thanks guys, I'll take a look at several new launchers and task killers today.
Hi u all !
I am one of those that couldn't play any game more than 2 minutes without a crash...
As a last try after months... and before considering a hard reset... I tried something that seems to resolve all my crash problems !
What I did:
- Remove ASUS Task manager widget from launcher
- Remove my normal IMAP mail account
- Remove my work exchange account (Calendar, contacts....)
- Removed Battery Monitor Widget
- Removed System Tuner Pro
- 2 pages totally empty in launcher (the rest with many widgets)
Result (after a reboot):
No crashes at all ! and IU seems way faster (good improvement but not enough for a quad core in my opinion... the IU should fly.... even in economic mode...)
I don't know what of those 3 things did the trick (maybe a mix of them)... anyway no more crashes for me...
Would be nice if more people with crashes (and using any of those things) could try this... Maybe this is the bug so many people have been looking for !
Anyway.... after so many months.... and no way to just be able to use my tablet as it should.... come on ASUS....
Please feedback !
See U !
good observation. ill try one by one. ill start with task manager widget first. don't want to remove my email accounts or my system tuner pro. I have system tuner pro set up to eliminate alot of apps from starting up on boot.
Perfect... Let us know what u find.
I have to say that for my is a complete success !! I am trying one by one all my games (I am even not closing them... just pressing home button) all are working.... no reboot needed.... no crash at all (for now).
I am really happy !
Since I have been playing with the settings in the developer section right from the start and I never experienced any crashes I can not give you any feedback on your finding.
But while using my HTC Tegraphone I discovered what is described in that thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1599214.
Maybe you check it out and find something that helps you, otherwise I hope you get your crashy Asus resolved soon and someone else can give you additional information.
Good luck
For me, the only crashes i got was due to playing some games while on powersaving mode. The autocontrast or autobrightness (not sure which) that tegra3 forces while on powersaving mode conflicts with a few games.
The screen starts flashing (and the game freezes), and even if you quit the game and re-start, it'll simply crash (force close). You need a reboot.
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Hi u all
Would be nice if more people with crashes (and using any of those 3 things) could try this... Maybe this is the bug so many people have been looking for !
Please feedback !
See U !
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Congratulations....I agree with you. I would be nice if people would try to solve issues themselves before "angrily" blaming ASUS. If they did that, we'd have a much cleaner, more useful forum.
Bob
Istarth said:
Hi u all !
I am one of those that couldn't play any game more than 2 minutes without a crash...
As a last try after months... and before considering a hard reset... I tried something that seems to resolve all my crash problems !
What I did:
- Remove ASUS Task manager widget from launcher
- Remove my normal IMAP mail account
- Remove my work exchange account (Calendar, contacts....)
- Removed Battery Monitor Widget
- Removed System Tuner Pro
- 2 pages totally empty in launcher (the rest with many widgets)
Result (after a reboot):
No crashes at all ! and IU seems way faster (good improvement but not enough for a quad core in my opinion... the IU should fly.... even in economic mode...)
I don't know what of those 3 things did the trick (maybe a mix of them)... anyway no more crashes for me...
Would be nice if more people with crashes (and using any of those things) could try this... Maybe this is the bug so many people have been looking for !
Anyway.... after so many months.... and no way to just be able to use my tablet as it should.... come on ASUS....
Please feedback !
See U !
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1. I'm running mostly stock since I bought the device. Yes, not even rooted. Not using any widget either.... And only using 1 page out of 5. Simply using GMAIL app as well with none being sync. Oh, and I manually update all of my apps from Play Store as well...
Since launch, I have installed exactly... 14 apps. Out of those 14, only 3 were added since .21 f/w update (they happen to be games... Dark Meadow, Sonic, Mass Effect). Out of those 14 apps, only 10 are still installed in my tablet (had to delete Google Chrome to increase browser performance).
I rarely play game on my tablet but this is an issue I recently found out as I wanted to play Sonic. Anyways, with this intro out of the way....
Based on my history, when it comes to gaming issue.... I mostly have problems on Tegra 3 optimized games. Games such as Shadowgun, Sonic, Riptide, Dark Meadow........ I actually haven't had any crash/reboot issue while playing Mass Effect.. yet. However, this is only "one" non-tegra 3 graphic intensive non-tegra 3 optimized games. So, it isn't enough of a "data" for me to say.... "hmm, maybe it is just tegra 3 games" yet.
Would be nice if people with no crashes at all could show us this kind of use feedback:
- Using ASUS Task manager widget in launcher --> YES / NO
- Using normal IMAP mail account --> YES / NO
- Using exchange account (Calendar, contacts....) --> YES / NO
- Using Battery Monitor Widget --> YES / NO
- Using System Tuner Pro --> YES / NO
- 2 pages totally empty in launcher (the rest with many widgets) --> How many pages are full for u ?? all ??...
People with crashes could also report the same... and of course please try to do the same and let us know if It fix crashes !
TY for all the feedback !
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1. I'm running mostly stock since I bought the device. Yes, not even rooted. Not using any widget either.... And only using 1 page out of 5. Simply using GMAIL app as well with none being sync. Oh, and I manually update all of my apps from Play Store as well...
Since launch, I have installed exactly... 14 apps. Out of those 14, only 3 were added since .21 f/w update (they happen to be games... Dark Meadow, Sonic, Mass Effect). Out of those 14 apps, only 10 are still installed in my tablet (had to delete Google Chrome to increase browser performance).
I rarely play game on my tablet but this is an issue I recently found out as I wanted to play Sonic. Anyways, with this intro out of the way....
Based on my history, when it comes to gaming issue.... I mostly have problems on Tegra 3 optimized games. Games such as Shadowgun, Sonic, Riptide, Dark Meadow........ I actually haven't had any crash/reboot issue while playing Mass Effect.. yet. However, this is only "one" non-tegra 3 graphic intensive non-tegra 3 optimized games. So, it isn't enough of a "data" for me to say.... "hmm, maybe it is just tegra 3 games" yet.
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TY for the info !
This "solution" is to fix a little different problem. Is for people like me with crashes in ALL games randomly. ALL !
Of course we could find some games with real problems with prime. At this moment I have no crashes in any game ! Raptide, Sonic, Mass Effect, Dead Space, Dark Meadow, Gof 2, Shadowgun THD......
TY again !
The bottom line is a rewrite is in order to free up the bottlenecks in the T3. Something its very wrong when benches are awesome and real life performance is just so so.
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Task killers could easily cause a system crash...
I don't have crashes, but do see Widgets take a long time to refresh occasionally.
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The bottom line is a rewrite is in order to free up the bottlenecks in the T3. Something its very wrong when benches are awesome and real life performance is just so so.
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the bottom line is not a blanket fix but rather a "if you have this, then do (or do not do) this." Sorry if you do not agree but my prime works great and yours "just so so" points to you using a software combination that proves unworkable.
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Task killers could easily cause a system crash...
I don't have crashes, but do see Widgets take a long time to refresh occasionally.
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as on every android rom i have ever run i agree widgets are the devil.
Mine is like that already, and I still get crashes with many apps and games.
Pretty much anything that uses a bit more memory and graphics.
Update: Even Market is crashing now... rebooted last night, did not use tablet at all till checking Market just now.
Sorry if this doesn't help for my is working incredible good !
Maybe the reason is a combination of SW... (for me was something of those things).
Anyway It is sad that after a lot of months ROMs are not stable enough... even stock one...
UI is also slow... at least slow considering we are speaking about a high end tablet.
Anyway I am happy... now and after various months... I can use my tablet !
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Mine is like that already, and I still get crashes with many apps and games.
Pretty much anything that uses a bit more memory and graphics.
Update: Even Market is crashing now... rebooted last night, did not use tablet at all till checking Market just now.
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Sounds like it's definitely a software issue, try going into settings/apps and clearing market data.
A lot of these sound like typical Android problems that any Android device sees along its lifespan.
OP, this thread was a great idea. I haven't had any crashes but I'm not a big gamer. I would be glad to use your example thread and do trial and error to see what useful data I can contribute to your thread.
Is this only for stock roms, or are custom roms allowed?
well removing the task manager didn't resolve games crashes. I went back to .21(I was previously on new firmware test build) to test this theory out. I'm not going to remove my email accounts. I really love the Asus battery widget but, I will remove it to try out also.
Removing task manager did seem to make things more stable aside from games though. I don't get that stupid message anymore saying task manager has stopped. plus I'm not busy killing stuff on the task manager that pops up. Actually ICS handles the memory manage very well. seems like I have more memory left vs. before when I had task manager up. ill just let android handle the tasks, which it seems to do a great job of.
ill remove battery widget now and see if that helps the gaming issue.
I WILL NOT REMOVE SYSTEM TUNER PRO THOUGH. lol. that app is too valuable and useful. I know that's not the reason. games crashed before I even got it.
All those widgets....
Sorry to disappoint, and please don't flame me but....
I'm running all those widgets with emails and doing heavy gaming and I have no crashes at all. I'm only reporting this cuz you asked someone who has no crashing to post their findings.
I run several Tegra 3 games and have actually never had a crash in 2 months I've had it, other than the obvious "Asus Task Manager quit unexpectidly..."
I've also hopped roms quite a bit. Ran Virtuous a lot simply for the full functionality during school. Then for the last two months, CM9 and AOKP are fully optimized for the most part and I've been back and forth.
And why you say no stable ROMS???? Completely incorrect. I can think of at least five.....
I have no idea of the hell you people are talking about,
First of all I on stock and not rooted, second I run all that stock crap(widgets, managers) + I have over 150 apps installed acording to the play store and I never had a crash unless it was the apps foult. From time to time when I check the memory usage with system panel it gets quite full, but I always seem to have atleast 100-200mb free ram left.I somehow don't play games much, but for example GTA runs like a charm for me. The only way I can make something crash is when I start switching apps like crazy(GTA,Skype,Chrome,Skype,Gta,Teamviewer ect.)
But talking off topic, is there anyway to say repair the glass? I have a nasty scrach on it that I just cant get my eyes off when the screen is off
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Sorry to disappoint, and please don't flame me but....
I'm running all those widgets with emails and doing heavy gaming and I have no crashes at all. I'm only reporting this cuz you asked someone who has no crashing to post their findings.
I run several Tegra 3 games and have actually never had a crash in 2 months I've had it, other than the obvious "Asus Task Manager quit unexpectidly..."
I've also hopped roms quite a bit. Ran Virtuous a lot simply for the full functionality during school. Then for the last two months, CM9 and AOKP are fully optimized for the most part and I've been back and forth.
And why you say no stable ROMS???? Completely incorrect. I can think of at least five.....
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My prime is not unlocked... I am speaking about ASUS ROMS.
I know there are many people with no problems but at the same time there are many people with problems... Now I am happy because for any reason my ROM is stable... But.... What a nightmare till this moment.... I was getting crashes with ICS all of the time since the first day (prime release in Spain)...
I don't use GPS, Wifi cannot be improved...so I just don't think about it... And I have no browser problems since I use dolphin (the best !) So... The only thing I miss now is a fluid launcher....I am just using 3 pages for widgets, and ui is so slow (more knowing this is a quad core...)... My Sensation moves ui far better... And a are speaking about a sense launcher !
TY all four the info.
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TechSavvy2 said:
Sorry to disappoint, and please don't flame me but....
I'm running all those widgets with emails and doing heavy gaming and I have no crashes at all. I'm only reporting this cuz you asked someone who has no crashing to post their findings.
I run several Tegra 3 games and have actually never had a crash in 2 months I've had it, other than the obvious "Asus Task Manager quit unexpectidly..."
I've also hopped roms quite a bit. Ran Virtuous a lot simply for the full functionality during school. Then for the last two months, CM9 and AOKP are fully optimized for the most part and I've been back and forth.
And why you say no stable ROMS???? Completely incorrect. I can think of at least five.....
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Sorry to hear that... Seems each user (with problems) will need to discover it's own solution.
TY
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Is it possible to make Android NEVER automatically kills running apps, to have true multitasking like on Maemo and webOS?
I am really sick of it killing apps that I use.
I tried V6 supercharger, but that didn't help... I looked everywhere for an answer, but I never found one.
Surely there is a way to make Android multitask like a proper PC, where it's the user who manages apps?
(And please don't tell me that I should leave it to Android, that it knows better, and etc.)
Now, before you start defending Android:
Ever had your browser refresh the page by itself after switching to it?
Ever lost something you were writing when you switched to another app?
Ever had a video pause because you switched from the player?
That shows that Android does NOT have true multitasking.
Now, I see why Google did that - battery life. However there is a new class of devices, where battery life is not such a problem. Tablets.
And yet they still suffer from same issues.
Now, here's an example: the browser. Very often I'd come back to my browser, only to find that it is reloading the page I was on, wasting traffic, and losing whatever text I typed.
That's stupid, right?
I can even track back to what device did this first - the iPhone.
iPhone 1 had 8 times less RAM than your average high end device, yet they still have a similar problem.
So yeah. Not true multitasking. Even in the app switcher, notice that it never says "running apps", only "recent apps" - because it isn't a true multitasking app switcher, just a history of all recent apps you launched.
Go on, scroll to the very top, launch the oldest app on the list. I'm 99% sure that it has restarted. This would've never happened if Android had TRUE multitasking.
Now, there has to be a way to get that. Desktop Linux does it, so Android probably can too.
If you ever notice that the app restarts, it's the app that is badly implemented. All apps must be able to handle a restart by Android transparently to the user by saving its state. If not, tell the app developer to fix it.
Chrome, Dolphin, Boat, Maxthon, AOSP, ICS Browser+, Opera, Firefox.
That's a list of browsers that have this problem.
Do you really think that they all implemented multitasking wrong?
Again, it's a problem with Android - I don't want apps to save their state so that Android can kill them - I want them to never leave RAM at all.
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Now, here's an example: the browser. Very often I'd come back to my browser, only to find that it is reloading the page I was on, wasting traffic, and losing whatever text I typed.
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Maybe dont answer all ur questions:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/...lication-is-that-frowned-upon/2034238#2034238
Apps who properly implement onSaveInstanceState() can come back, in case of web browsers is more complex to use it properly, texts or images are simple to imagine how to OS save on "disk" to retrieve later, what about sockets or open files (can be deleted while in background).
Android keep on background until the resources are needed for another task (and maybe a time limit, but dunno for sure), if happen very often w/ u means ur OS r using more resources than what need to keep on background.
Android has true multitasking, but... eh here's a link. Read yourself.
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/04/multitasking-android-way.html?m=1
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But is it possible to make it so that apps do not get killed at all, just like in Maemo or a normal PC?
What you showed me is exactly why Android does not have true multitasking: it uses stuff like services to actually have less things running - and I don't want that. I want all apps to truly stay in the background - so a YouTube video would continue playing, just like when I minimize the browser on my PC, and etc.
I understand why that isn't the default behavior on phones, but it could be really useful on a tablet.
I don't want to be at mercy of app developers - since even Google messes up: every time I switch out of Google Talk, I lose what I was typing.
I'd much rather have a limited amount of apps that I can launch at a time, and be able to manage what I want to keep open myself.
What you are asking for is basically to completely change core Android behavior.
Sorry, but its just not possible
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It is possible, because it's been done. There was a guy who did it over on the V6 supercharger thread, but I don't think the how he did it was ever released. Instead it was developed into a "kill apps only when ram is REALLY needed" method, which could run up to 20 apps at a time on some phones apparently
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I get what you are talking about but I'd say is what device your using. My eVo 4g lte's was written screwed up by HTC. Maybe yours is like that too. My rom maker and other devs have done many fixes for it. It has got better but my eVo and eVo 3d still multitask better, and it is true multitasking. It doesn't work like I'm talking about on all devices, but for u to say it's all of Android.......... It's not.
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The mulittasking in Android has some limits which are quite annoying. On my Droid 3 apps that I haven't used will start in the background and waste RAM so there isn't enough RAM to multitask and the device is laggy. I tried rooting and freezing bloatware, but other apps have just filled the void by automatically running in the background. I really wish the user had more control over multitasking. Unless I open an app I don't want it to start in the background, even if there is enough free RAM. But Motorola makes some pretty bad software so this could be the issue.
On my Touchpad with CM9 multitasking is quite a bit better. Not sure if its having 1GB of RAM, improvements in ICS, or just CM but you can actually run several programs at once without them closing, so my browser pages stay loaded.
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Android has true multitasking, but... eh here's a link. Read yourself.
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/04/multitasking-android-way.html?m=1
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gagdude said:
What you are asking for is basically to completely change core Android behavior.
Sorry, but its just not possible
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Then how come this was possible on iOS?
My iPad 1 was a multitasking beast with just 2 tweaks - Swap and Backgrounder.
Everything was smooth. And yet I can't get the same on devices with 4 times more RAM?
gagdude said:
What you are asking for is basically to completely change core Android behavior.
Sorry, but its just not possible
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Did it weeks ago. Maximum Overdrive to bypass Maximum hidden app limit.
Just grab the Ultimate Jar PowerTools script or the windows exe version.
http://goo.gl/1JPl8
Also read Post 2 of the thread for a link to the windows.exe
Currently hacking Sense 4+ which seems to be working well.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1900626
Tried V6 - but apps I bulletproofed still get killed.
So yeah. Looks like the only thing I can do is wait until webOS gets ported to my tablet...
SilverHedgehog said:
Tried V6 - but apps I bulletproofed still get killed.
So yeah. Looks like the only thing I can do is wait until webOS gets ported to my tablet...
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Did you patch services.jar with the multitasking mods?
Yes, with "Jelly ISCream Automatic Patcher".
V6 script showed me that I'm 100% supercharged.
well...I didn't experienced these kind of problem before. android indeed has good multitasking stuff. the number of app running on background depend on the ram size. you can't expect to run such heavy app with huge ram consumption on such device with low ram. anyway, you can try to play with minfree stuff. try to minimilize the value
The Note 10.1 can have side by side applications, is this what you kinda mean?
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Yes, with "Jelly ISCream Automatic Patcher".
V6 script showed me that I'm 100% supercharged.
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Well the latest one is actually called Ultimate Jar Power Tools so if you ran that, and enable Maximum Multitasking Mods, then you should be getting better multitasking/app reloads.
The windows exe would do the same thing of course and is up to date.... well until I update it later cause I'm adding the Sense 4 mod.
Any idea about how many apps you can run before vs after?
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According to the boys over at Androidpolice (who do a great job tearing through code) Google apparently has big plans going forward.
One of users biggest issues with Android has always been updates, getting manufactures to issue updates is hard enough but when you add carriers on top of that (mankind's closest approximation to pure evil) it becomes an incredible headache to get ANY update.
Google solution: cut them both out of the loop. Here's how... Several years ago they began decoupling the core pieces of Android so they could be updated outside of interference from the Playstore. Apps such as Calendar, YouTube, Gmail, Google+, etc. What this does is it allows Google to update and iterate much faster. There have been several major updates to Google+ and YouTube for example in just the last 9 MONTHS. It looks like that trend will continue as even more pieces will be decoupled in a few weeks (Dialer, messaging, Camera, and gallery) but that Android itself will be decoupled as LAUNCHER.
GAME. CHANGER.
Now understand there is still underlying base code that if Google wanted to change would either have to be submitted or just rolled out with new phones but Google has positioned themselves to make that irrelevant. What people care about is the front facing, user EXPERIENCE. What we see when we are using the phone itself. THIS is what Android is to most people.
If this can now be changed independent of interference, if user interface changes can be tweaked and modified on Google's timetable now instead of someone else's, if users will have the ability to run "Stock" Android on any phone then this is not hyperbole it really is a game changer.
Thoughts?
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/1...re-some-things-we-are-expecting-to-see-in-it/
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interesting , thanks:good:
so according to my understanding, 4.4 will have 2 operating layers..
the first layer is for pure google enviroment for google updates and google apps, while the second layer is for 3rd party apps or OEM skins..
am i right?
Sort of. There will be a base code which underlies everything as it does now. On this you can build Touchwiz, LGs Optimus skin or whatever.
The core Google Apps will be updated, as they are now, from the Google playstore.
In addition Androids interface itself, the part you see and touch, will be able to be updated in the Google playstore. Think a launcher like Nova or apex but with deeper integration and smoother running.
Now Google will be able to tweak and modify without interference multiple times a year if it so chooses.
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Sort of. There will be a base code which underlies everything as it does now. On this you can build Touchwiz, LGs Optimus skin or whatever.
The core Google Apps will be updated, as they are now, from the Google playstore.
In addition Androids interface itself, the part you see and touch, will be able to be updated in the Google playstore. Think a launcher like Nova or apex but with deeper integration and smoother running.
Now Google will be able to tweak and modify without interference multiple times a year if it so chooses.
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finally less hardware dependance
I'm glad to see all the core apps starting to be independently released through the play store for faster updates. One way to by pass slow OEM update processes.
Some misinformation here. This is not Android, as a whole, going to the playstore - its just the launcher. Not to mention this is purely speculation anyways. The launcher is simply the home screen. Its just another apk that sits in /system/app just like the core gapps all do. This does NOT affect anything more than the home screen and app drawer. This definitely would not streamline Google updates either. The main chunks of Android still sit in the framework .jars and other key system packages that can't just be decoupled and packaged for download in the Play Store. Sure, if they wanted to update how the home screen or app drawer looks or works they can just push an update to the Play Store. Anything more than that, though, and they still have to go through the same current process for updating.
Yeah I see how you could read it that way. My intent was that the interface itself will be in the launcher.
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Yea there is no way that would work, too many different phones and manufacturers, if it was that simple we could flash any rom from any phone. Unfortunately there will never be a speed up on the manufacturer level not until there was massive protest and or loss of sales for them, and the carriers plane and simple dont care about the end users at all, thats why we have the awesome developers here to do what the carriers and manufacturers refuse to do. But yes its pretty sad when we as a community are using a fully working rom months hell sometimes almost a year before an actual update comes out. Sucks even more if your a Verizon customer and they can push an exploit patch out within days of a phones release yet want to sit on a full os update for months on end and AT&T just plain dont care if your junk gets an update or not.
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Yea there is no way that would work, too many different phones and manufacturers, if it was that simple we could flash any rom from any phone. Unfortunately there will never be a speed up on the manufacturer level not until there was massive protest and or loss of sales for them, and the carriers plane and simple dont care about the end users at all, thats why we have the awesome developers here to do what the carriers and manufacturers refuse to do. But yes its pretty sad when we as a community are using a fully working rom months hell sometimes almost a year before an actual update comes out. Sucks even more if your a Verizon customer and they can push an exploit patch out within days of a phones release yet want to sit on a full os update for months on end and AT&T just plain dont care if your junk gets an update or not.
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Some misinformation here. This is not Android, as a whole, going to the playstore - its just the launcher. Not to mention this is purely speculation anyways. The launcher is simply the home screen. Its just another apk that sits in /system/app just like the core gapps all do. This does NOT affect anything more than the home screen and app drawer. This definitely would not streamline Google updates either. The main chunks of Android still sit in the framework .jars and other key system packages that can't just be decoupled and packaged for download in the Play Store. Sure, if they wanted to update how the home screen or app drawer looks or works they can just push an update to the Play Store. Anything more than that, though, and they still have to go through the same current process for updating.
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Both of you are right. But also..parts of your comments are wrong. You can hide other stuff in a launcher. Just because it's labeled as a launcher, doesn't mean OTHER apps can be integrated. Look at G+ it used to have the messenger and the G+app. (SAME app, just a short cut) and launchers from 3rd party developers sit in data/app(doesn't matter just trying not to confuse people) and lastly the" main chunks" Are not necessarily ALL framework changes. A lot of the big updates, really are JUST apps. EVEN as a developer you can see about half of the big features are apps. And now..sorry, I don't mean to be rude, DaT Franchise. But the first sentence in your comment is...well completely,COMPLETELY wrong as far as apps go, one app can work on *ALL* phones if it is developed properly. Notice,you can take any gmail.apk and install it on any phone..any screen size...any hardware that runs android. Nova launcher,one app that works on all (4.0 and up) devices. Sure. The "android launcher" May only be available on 4.0 and up. If I'm wrong let me know. If I offended. Anyone let me know. I do not mean to offend
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I know the difference between an apk and the os itself and not to be rude myself but if your statement is correct then i should be able to pull the lockscreen apk and jar mod them and use it on my HTC one or vice versa but it doesn't work that way because of the system ui itself as a whole, and depending oh how deeply it is integrated into the system as in i can push and run the optimus g launcher on my HTC and Note2 but i cant push and use the HTC launcher on my G or my note2. And i am no developer but im pretty sure cooking a good rom is a lot more then updating a few apks, and again if it was that simple we would all be enjoying a fully 100% working CM 10.2 rom right now.
What Google is doing is making the launcher itself available like gmail and YouTube. So they will simply recode the launcher (which will be launcher 3) so it can be its own app.
As it stands now, any Google system apps see their update go to data/app anyway so that the update can be uninstalled if the update causes issues. (If you're rooted, delete the system app for say, hangouts, and it will still be usable and in your app drawer because you didn't delete the update that sits in data/app. Plus hangouts relies on no framework files to run)
I believe this is the route Google is going with the launcher since it doesn't rely on framework jars to run now
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I know the difference between an apk and the os itself and not to be rude myself but if your statement is correct then i should be able to pull the lockscreen apk and jar mod them and use it on my HTC one or vice versa but it doesn't work that way because of the system ui itself as a whole, and depending oh how deeply it is integrated into the system as in i can push and run the optimus g launcher on my HTC and Note2 but i cant push and use the HTC launcher on my G or my note2. And i am no developer but im pretty sure cooking a good rom is a lot more then updating a few apks, and again if it was that simple we would all be enjoying a fully 100% working CM 10.2 rom right now.
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That is different though, you CAN use the stock aosp launcher on any phone, htc,lg Samsung and the rest don't like other phones looking like theirs...so they integrate literally EVERYTHING into their framework. And I completely understand where you're coming from. And as far as roms go, I (as a beginning developer...I've built a couple roms..nothing groundbreaking) know it's more than that. Like I said in my comment, I said SOME of the features are apps. In NO WAY can you completely update android through apps. There are changes in framework And system files.
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I would rather they decoupled the OS from the hardware layer altogether. Just a launcher wont bring in the goodies.
have manufacturers only provide hardware driver updates will solve almost all vomplaining about slow update cycles.
There is another, rather nefarious set of effects that result from those changes.
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...ntrolling-open-source-by-any-means-necessary/
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About google decoupling apps from android, read this: arstechnica DOT com/gadgets/2013/10/googles-iron-grip-on-android-controlling-open-source-by-any-means-necessary/
make sure to replace DOT with . - can't post links
Thoughts = um.............AWESOME!!!! That is all.