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I realize that this is the Vibrant forum, but it is the general section... so dont get too pissed about me posting a thread not really vibrant related.
So just thinking about processors (that may come come in the Nexus Prime), the two being rumored are Samsungs Exynos and the TI OMAP, from what i can tell.
How do these processors compare? In general the Exynos is generally regarded as better then the snapdragon (not trying to argue either way), but there are plenty of comparisons and topics on this comparison, but how does the Exynos compare to the OMAP? I can really find too many topics on it..
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Doesn't really matter how it compares right now, because Google can optimize ICS to run fast on Ti-OMAP 4460 while slow on other processors.
The same way when Froyo came out, the Snapdragon processors were able to gain a huge boost in CPU intensive tasks because they took full advantage of the Dalvik optimizations in Froyo. Hummingbird although newer than Snapdragon was not taking full advantage of Dalvik optimizations, thus it ran slower despite being a newer processor.
Nexus Prime running a Ti-Omap 4460 will be faster than any xynos because Google will make sure ICS is perfectly tuned to Ti-OMAP 4460.
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This is assuming nexus prime has a Ti-OMAP 4460.
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Doesn't really matter how it compares right now, because Google can optimize ICS to run fast on Ti-OMAP 4460 while slow on other processors.
The same way when Froyo came out, the Snapdragon processors were able to gain a huge boost in CPU intensive tasks because they took full advantage of the Dalvik optimizations in Froyo. Hummingbird although newer than Snapdragon was not taking full advantage of Dalvik optimizations, thus it ran slower despite being a newer processor.
Nexus Prime running a Ti-Omap 4460 will be faster than any xynos because Google will make sure ICS is perfectly tuned to Ti-OMAP 4460.
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thanks for the response. anyone else have any ideas on the two processors?
So, i watched the presentation last night, i did not see them announce the processor...
have any of the reviews confirmed which processor and GPU?
Its the omap 4460, TI made an announcement on it.Gpu wise its weaker than the exynos in the texture department as it has the sgx540. The biggest advantage it has over the NS or vibrant is the CPU and ram (hardware wise) benching the NS vs the Droid3 or Bionic shows the NS doing fairly close with the differences being probably due to the omap having a higher gpu clock and a processor that can feed the data to the gpu faster.
I can tell you that the chip has great performance, even at that higher resolution, I believe the blackberry playbook has it and that thing runs beautifully =D
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everything i'm reading about the omap is saying it's built for better HD performance, however clocking, number crunching and GPU it's weaker then the exynos found in the sgs II. actually there comparing the gpu to the one found in our Vibrant.
as dismal as this sounds, i'm still going for the Galaxy Nexus due to the stock interface and HD resolution...
or i can wait longer (god knows how much longer) and grab the sgs II HD thats currently only in Korea.
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qoutes from Extremetech website
"So now the OMAP4460 is getting quite a lot of scrutiny, even though it isn’t exactly a new chip. This dual-core SoC is clocked at 1.2GHz, and uses ARM Cortex-A9 architecture, just like the Exynos. That’s not a problem, but the older GPU, the PowerVR SGX540 is. We were hoping for a step up in the graphics department.
Why did Google choose the OMAP for its new Nexus? Well, it might not live up to the high graphical standards set out by the iPhone, but it is a solid chip in its own right. The OMAP4 platform makes use of an additional hardware accelerator called IVA 3 that makes encoding and decoding HD video a snap. The Galaxy Nexus has an HD screen, so this hardware focus on video is a big plus.
Google engineers were likely also drawn to the OMAP for its use of a dual-channel memory controller. Android’s multitasking system means that data is constantly being moved into, and out of, active memory. This is definitely a strength of TI’s OMAP parts"
hopefully that answers some of your questions.
Weak GPU, ****-tastic camera, no microSD slot, small battery, really high pricing (preliminary)...and once again plastic?
I don't get why Google felt they need to repeat the iPhone 4S announcement failure. The screen of the thing is amazing and its OS is. But the actual phone? Not so much.
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And I was so hyped about the "One phone to rule them all". . .
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Weak GPU, ****-tastic camera, no microSD slot, small battery, really high pricing (preliminary)...and once again plastic?
I don't get why Google felt they need to repeat the iPhone 4S announcement failure. The screen of the thing is amazing and its OS is. But the actual phone? Not so much.
:/
And I was so hyped about the "One phone to rule them all". . .
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The phone is still worth getting. It will always have the latest version of Android, and Android will run smoothly on it.
I'm never repeating my Vibrant mistake ever again. Running CM-7 with half ass GPS and no 911 calling, no thanks. Next time a Nexus only phone. Just wish it wasn't made by stupid Samsung, errrrr.
Or maybe Motorola phone now that Google owns them, higher chance of getting updates. Just my opinion though.
One last thing. I do agree about the lack of microsd. I was shocked when Nexus S didn't get it, and now again. Hmmmmm. You would think they would want a dev phone to have a microsd slot.
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Weak GPU, ****-tastic camera, no microSD slot, small battery, really high pricing (preliminary)...and once again plastic?
I don't get why Google felt they need to repeat the iPhone 4S announcement failure. The screen of the thing is amazing and its OS is. But the actual phone? Not so much.
:/
And I was so hyped about the "One phone to rule them all". . .
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Weak GPU? It is more than enough to drive a 720p screen at 60fps, as demonstrated consistently throughout the Galaxy Nexus hands-on videos.
How is the camera at all, as you so eloquently put it, '****-tastic'? From what I have seen (and trust me, it isn't nearly enough to make much of an impression to make a final call on its quality), the pictures look decent, with little chroma noise and balanced colours. The zero shutter-lag feature sounds most excellent as well, as most cellphone pictures turn out awful because of the nature of the beast (shaky hands and such). If your judgment is purely based on "Hurr because it's 5MP" then you are a moron.
Though I can lament the loss of a MicroSD card slot, most cards readily available to consumers (read: not newegg or amazon buyers) cannot even fathom being able to record 720p video, much less 1080p featured on the Galaxy Nexus. And using your smartphone as a primary MP3 player is only viable if you have no other use for the phone besides MP3 playing and occasional internet browsing, which would be just a flagrant waste of the ~$80 monthlies people pay for their plans.
And the 1,750mah battery is actually above-average (considering 1,450-1,500mah the standard), along with ICS' built-in 'app-freezing', carrier bloat will never be a cause for unnecessary battery drain again). The battery could last for days depending on your usage (Your mileage may ****ing vary, of course).
Really, high pricing? Really? If the previous two Nexus phones are any indication, it will cost $529 unlocked. Of course, it seems like a lot of money when you work retail or some other **** job, but then you shouldn't be playing with such expensive toys in the first place.
And plastic? Well this explains everything
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elKxgsrJFhw
Your post gave me cancer.
Camera---Look at the Nexus S photos at Engadget and the Galaxy Nexus ones. They look IDENTICAL except for colors on the GN looking a bit worse actually. Last I remember, the Nexus S camera is on the level of the Vibrant...it's great for a 5MP but its nothing compared to the competition nowdays. Not backlit sensor, not f2.2 or lower, not even high resolution. No shutter lag? I use Camera360 on my Vibrant and have had that feature for MONTHS. As Engadget comments, the no shutter lag is because the camera on the Galaxy Nexus does not focus. It is just NO competition to a Galaxy S2 or Iphone 4S sadly.
GPU-It is a 1.6 or 1.7 times faster than the Vibrant. We already have a good GPU but...for crying out loud. It is half as slow as the Galaxy S2 one. And THAT itself is already getting old...been on the market for over 6 months. Shall we compare to the new iPhone 4S? Difference of 7 TIMES? I HATE iphones but Samsung and Google seriously didn't try here.
Battery. I am CURRENTLY running a Samsung-made OEM 1800mah in my Vibrant. Same size as our original 1500mah. Should I remind you the Vibrant runs on a 4.0 screen and is NOT HD resolution? For a device that is as big as the Galaxy Nexus (4.6 inches) and with that huge and beautiful screen, 1750 is just TINY. At LEAST a good 2000 or more should have been put in it. And its' not impossible to do at all. Samsung HAS the technology. The phone HAS the space. It's fatter than the Galaxy S2 (and godforbid the new Razor)...doesn't have a MicroSD slot. There is no excuse except laziness.
Pricing---Several retailers in Europe have already priced it. Cheapest one is ~700...typical one is 800 and some go all the way up to 950. Look up the gsmarena.com article if you wish. Off contract it will be an arm and a leg. On contract it will be $300. That makes it the MOST expensive phone both on and off contract. $530? Yeah...maybe at that price it would be something to consider but 800? For an amazing screen and software? Heh.
Like I said, the real star of that presentation was the software. Ice Cream sandwich is amazing. GPU Acceleration anyone?
The phone though it comes on? A letdown sadly. Trust me, I was going to buy it. Was waiting for it for 3 months now. No more. May either get a Galaxy S2 now or wait for a Galaxy S2 HD for the Nexus HD screen and the Galaxy S2 performance and features.
In the OMAP 4460, the SGX540 is clocked at 384 MHz which gives it a total output of ~6.2 GFLOPs. In comparison, the Mali-400 MP4 clocked at 200 MHz produces about ~7.2 GFLOPs, and ~10.8 GFLOPs at 300 MHz. So yeah, it's a step back from the Exynos but still very good.
Everything yea saying don't matter its all about optimization an camera looks great to me
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Camera---Look at the Nexus S photos at Engadget and the Galaxy Nexus ones. They look IDENTICAL except for colors on the GN looking a bit worse actually. Last I remember, the Nexus S camera is on the level of the Vibrant...it's great for a 5MP but its nothing compared to the competition nowdays. Not backlit sensor, not f2.2 or lower, not even high resolution. No shutter lag? I use Camera360 on my Vibrant and have had that feature for MONTHS. As Engadget comments, the no shutter lag is because the camera on the Galaxy Nexus does not focus. It is just NO competition to a Galaxy S2 or Iphone 4S sadly.
GPU-It is a 1.6 or 1.7 times faster than the Vibrant. We already have a good GPU but...for crying out loud. It is half as slow as the Galaxy S2 one. And THAT itself is already getting old...been on the market for over 6 months. Shall we compare to the new iPhone 4S? Difference of 7 TIMES? I HATE iphones but Samsung and Google seriously didn't try here.
Battery. I am CURRENTLY running a Samsung-made OEM 1800mah in my Vibrant. Same size as our original 1500mah. Should I remind you the Vibrant runs on a 4.0 screen and is NOT HD resolution? For a device that is as big as the Galaxy Nexus (4.6 inches) and with that huge and beautiful screen, 1750 is just TINY. At LEAST a good 2000 or more should have been put in it. And its' not impossible to do at all. Samsung HAS the technology. The phone HAS the space. It's fatter than the Galaxy S2 (and godforbid the new Razor)...doesn't have a MicroSD slot. There is no excuse except laziness.
Pricing---Several retailers in Europe have already priced it. Cheapest one is ~700...typical one is 800 and some go all the way up to 950. Look up the gsmarena.com article if you wish. Off contract it will be an arm and a leg. On contract it will be $300. That makes it the MOST expensive phone both on and off contract. $530? Yeah...maybe at that price it would be something to consider but 800? For an amazing screen and software? Heh.
Like I said, the real star of that presentation was the software. Ice Cream sandwich is amazing. GPU Acceleration anyone?
The phone though it comes on? A letdown sadly. Trust me, I was going to buy it. Was waiting for it for 3 months now. No more. May either get a Galaxy S2 now or wait for a Galaxy S2 HD for the Nexus HD screen and the Galaxy S2 performance and features.
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lmfao, best post all day. Gotta pay to play and $530 is pocket change for what you're getting in return.
Galaxy Nexus is clearly the device to get imo.
New Galaxy Nexus was just uncovered to only have 768MB RAM. Not a full GB.
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New Galaxy Nexus was just uncovered to only have 768MB RAM. Not a full GB.
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Uncovered by whom?
Probably that's all that is available after boot up.
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New Galaxy Nexus was just uncovered to only have 768MB RAM. Not a full GB.
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It's 1 GB.
My Tab 10.1 only shows 768 MB as well, but it's 1 GB. The Android System uses part of the RAM to operate. The rest you get as free RAM.
How do I know? Supercurio's Twitter.
"supercurio François Simond:
I read several websites listing #GalaxyNexus with 1GB RAM.. hmm, it's not quite what I found. Linux says: 648MB in total, 630 Available""
Now. He further investigated and Samsung did the same thing they did with the Vibrant. All of the memory combined on it is indeed 1GB. HOWEVER, they are reserving a ****load of memory for the GPU and other functions. Hence of that 1GB (the phone DOES have 1GB), on average there is SIGNIFICANTLY less. How much less? Read the Twitter status posted here. This is the equivalent of the HTC Sensation which has 768MB of RAM and actually IS listed to have 768MB.
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How do I know? Supercurio's Twitter.
"supercurio François Simond:
I read several websites listing #GalaxyNexus with 1GB RAM.. hmm, it's not quite what I found. Linux says: 648MB in total, 630 Available""
Now. He further investigated and Samsung did the same thing they did with the Vibrant. All of the memory combined on it is indeed 1GB. HOWEVER, they are reserving a ****load of memory for the GPU and other functions. Hence of that 1GB (the phone DOES have 1GB), on average there is SIGNIFICANTLY less. How much less? Read the Twitter status posted here. This is the equivalent of the HTC Sensation which has 768MB of RAM and actually IS listed to have 768MB.
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Great find. Thank you.
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can anyone point me to some really good hands on videos? i saw the one on phandroid and engadget the night all was announced. but are there any good videos that show a little more in depth?
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How do I know? Supercurio's Twitter.
"supercurio François Simond:
I read several websites listing #GalaxyNexus with 1GB RAM.. hmm, it's not quite what I found. Linux says: 648MB in total, 630 Available""
Now. He further investigated and Samsung did the same thing they did with the Vibrant. All of the memory combined on it is indeed 1GB. HOWEVER, they are reserving a ****load of memory for the GPU and other functions. Hence of that 1GB (the phone DOES have 1GB), on average there is SIGNIFICANTLY less. How much less? Read the Twitter status posted here. This is the equivalent of the HTC Sensation which has 768MB of RAM and actually IS listed to have 768MB.
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Supercurio already has a Galaxy Nexus one day after announcement? Didn't know the devs got it that fast.
Hi guys, I need some honest advise. I'm thinking of trading my Rogers note for the international version. What do you folks recommend. Following are my reasons.
1. I believe the n7000 will get ics before the Rogers I717
2. I get 4 hours of battery and find it frustrating. I heard the battery performance is better on the international version.
3. I heard n7000 is a bit faster. I find i717 gets a bit choppy during screen transitions
4. I find I717 gets quite warm while using. A little uncomfortable.
5. I hardly get full lte to care about it. 4g is fine 6. Home button on the n7000 seems nice.
What do you thinks guys? Any help would be appreciated.
thanks
PS. I posted this thread in the n7000 board too.
do it.
10char
take a look.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?searchid=5627026
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take a look.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?searchid=5627026
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Lol
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The international version will receive ICS long before the I-717. The adreno 220 GPU in the I-717 is better than the Mali400 in the N-7000; however the CPU in the N-7000 outpaces the I-717. Both devices suffer from black clipping.
So its a trade off for CPU performance or GPU performance, 3 button or 4 button and LTE vs hspa+.
My only advice for you is if your area doesn't have LTE. Yes do it. But if you in LTE area, No. The speed is a big different. I use ATT S2 and ATT Note so i know what the difference and its worth to keep.
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+1 on if you have LTE. I've gotten spoiled to the speed. Personally I hate the look of the single physical button.
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I switched from N700 to I717 due to LTE & don't regret one bit. I still have my N7000 so I can enjoy both worlds.
If you like to flash custom roms etc then go to the N7000, development is much more active there, N7000 has ICS both AOSP based roms and an unofficial leaked one!
If you have LTE in your area then it's up to you if you want it, I mean I'd rather use my wifi router as I don't get throttled and am not going to be downloading from my phone. Besides you know how much LTE is a battery sucker
I've used both and have to say that the N-7000 just performs better in real life use and in benchmarks.
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The international version will receive ICS long before the I-717. The adreno 220 GPU in the I-717 is better than the Mali400 in the N-7000; however the CPU in the N-7000 outpaces the I-717. Both devices suffer from black clipping.
So its a trade off for CPU performance or GPU performance, 3 button or 4 button and LTE vs hspa+.
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Its the other way around, the GPU performance is better on the Exnyos due to the Mali GPU it's a multi core gpu. The CPU performance should be better on the Snapdragon processor and have better power management able to turn off one core. Lighter black levels is mainly due to gamma levels tweaking in mdnie settings. I believe supercurio is working on a new application.
ICS will be on the way there is already a leak for the skyrocket, so they are working on the snapdragon variants with lte.. Porting time is much more dependent on the galaxy note premium suite and how long it will take to integrate to the touchwiz ics framework, then Q&A.
Differences are NFC and LTE radio on the i717. I suppose you would want the to switch N7000 if your focus is on playing games that require 3d, rather than using it as a work phone/tablet. Or not interested or don't have a LTE plan. Performance is relatively the same if you overclock the I717 to the N7000.
There other ways to push performance like overclocking the gpu (when a usermode adjustment is available.) I'm guessing the Max for the Adreno 220 is in the ball park of 320 MHz. Saving aittle more battery by undervolting. Battery drain is also due to baseband and Rom optimization, which will get better in subsequent releases.
It just really depends if you plan foregoing LTE and Rogers is pretty congested at peak hours on their HSPA network compared to their LTE network. NFC is a big factor as well as more products and services will be utilizing it in the near future. I already use it for quick file transfer between my nfc enabled devices. So it depends really if you want these features or graphics performance is a priority for you. In the future the user experience is pretty much going to be the same on both models once ICS is available.
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Its the other way around, the GPU performance is better on the Exnyos due to the Mali GPU it's a multi core gpu. The CPU performance should be better on the Snapdragon processor and have better power management able to turn off one core. Lighter black levels is mainly due to gamma levels tweaking in mdnie settings. I believe supercurio is working on a new application.
ICS will be on the way there is already a leak for the skyrocket, so they are working on the snapdragon variants with lte.. Porting time is much more dependent on the galaxy note premium suite and how long it will take to integrate to the touchwiz ics framework, then Q&A.
Differences are NFC and LTE radio on the i717. I suppose you would want the to switch N7000 if your focus is on playing games that require 3d, rather than using it as a work phone/tablet. Or not interested or don't have a LTE plan. Performance is relatively the same if you overclock the I717 to the N7000.
There other ways to push performance like overclocking the gpu (when a usermode adjustment is available.) I'm guessing the Max for the Adreno 220 is in the ball park of 320 MHz. Saving aittle more battery by undervolting. Battery drain is also due to baseband and Rom optimization, which will get better in subsequent releases.
It just really depends if you plan foregoing LTE and Rogers is pretty congested at peak hours on their HSPA network compared to their LTE network. NFC is a big factor as well as more products and services will be utilizing it in the near future. I already use it for quick file transfer between my nfc enabled devices. So it depends really if you want these features or graphics performance is a priority for you. In the future the user experience is pretty much going to be the same on both models once ICS is available.
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http://10division.com/samsung-galaxy-s2-hd-lte-vs-samsung-galaxy-s2-the-unofficial-comparison-guide/
I based my opinion on this article and the anandtech article linked within. Both devices use exactly the same hardware as the N-7000 and I-717 other than the screen.
The Adreno 220 is roughly 2.2 times the GPU as the Mali 400. What made the real difference is the Note has 2.67 times the pixles of the SGS2 while using the same Mali 400 GPU. If the N-7000 shipped with the Exynos 4212 it would have the quad core Mali 400 mp4.
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The international version will receive ICS long before the I-717. The adreno 220 GPU in the I-717 is better than the Mali400 in the N-7000; however the CPU in the N-7000 outpaces the I-717. Both devices suffer from black clipping.
So its a trade off for CPU performance or GPU performance, 3 button or 4 button and LTE vs hspa+.
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Err... Says who? Every single piece of benchmarks and every datasheets out there clearly show that the Adreno 220 is a piece if crap next to the MALI 400
Seriously why do people say things out of thin air as if it was an undeniable truth...
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My decision was easy for moving to the n7000 from i717:
Better Battery life+performance+bigger dev support= no brainer
Did i mention better battery life?
At least for me anyways.
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bkeaver said:
My decision was easy for moving to the n7000 from i717:
Better Battery life+performance+bigger dev support= no brainer
Did i mention better battery life?
At least for me anyways.
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do you still have att gs note i717? i see you have both n7000 and i717. probably thats why you told us your decision was easy for moving to the n7000 to i717 even you still have i717, but if you didn't have the i717 then it would be hard for you to make a decide. if you don't have present i717 then i am wrong.
sorry for my bad english.
Yeah you are correct i do still have the at&t version but i haven't touched it since getting the n7000 version. I have only had this version for a week but i have had the at&t version since pre sale release on February 17th and i just haven't had the chance to list it to sell it yet. So yeah it probably did make my decision much easier but that gives me the opportunity to pass that on that opinion on to someone in your situation and maybe help you decide.
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I just wanted to add this. While NFC may see pretty lame right now, for those that are security conscious, that is going to change this summer. As long as you get it enabled by changing ROMs, you will be able to use YubiCo's new NFC enabled security tokens, which will be fully integrated with LastPass. Check those out.
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Yeah you are correct i do still have the at&t version but i haven't touched it since getting the n7000 version. I have only had this version for a week but i have had the at&t version since pre sale release on February 17th and i just haven't had the chance to list it to sell it yet. So yeah it probably did make my decision much easier but that gives me the opportunity to pass that on that opinion on to someone in your situation and maybe help you decide.
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ah cool. so how speed is internet on n7000?
Hello,
I was looking to buy the Samsung Galaxy S3 but i'm confused as to which model should I buy. The international model or the North American model.
I cannot upgrade through my carrier (Bell Mobility in Toronto, ON) and hence either one I buy, I'll have to buy from outside.
Is the processor (dual vs quad) along with the RAM the only difference in these two models? If yes, then which one should I go for? Maybe answer in terms on battery life, ROMS available, etc etc. Would the quad core be faster than the dual core with half the RAM?
I have a regular data plan and I won't be thinking about using LTE for now.
Usage wise, I'd say I'm a moderate user and don't play very heavy games, but maybe, occasionally I might play MC3, GTA III etc. Definitely be multitasking a lot and constant texting/facebooking/checking emails etc.
I'm thinking to get the International version! But if the North American version is better, I would go for that.
Thanks
If you aren't using LTE then international model wins hands down.
Faster CPU
Better GPU
Wolfson WM1811 DAC (may not be in US version.)
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It's not 1ghz and 2ghz but 1gb and 2gb of ram. I'm from Canada and I chose the int one because of dev support, better GPU, future quadcore optimization, I don't care about LTE since I have 2GB of data monthly and 3G+ is enough for me. Also audio as nodstuff said, earlier release and finally 1gb is enough, I'm doing heavy multitasking and I never reached the 1GB of ram, the redraw issue can be fixed by editing a file and I'm sure it will be the same for the US version. So yeah int version is the best for me, now you have to find out which one is the best for YOU.
IMO, LTE is not all it's cracked up to be, if you don't have unlimited data then it's not really worth it. I'm not going to sacrifice faster CPU/GPU for a 2GB cap LTE.
Needless to say I got international version.
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IMO, LTE is not all it's cracked up to be, if you don't have unlimited data then it's not really worth it. I'm not going to sacrifice faster CPU/GPU for a 2GB cap LTE.
Needless to say I got international version.
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+1 I also got the international version and I'm on AT&T
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there already is such thread in the general section. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1683261
also there is no 2ghz vs 1ghz. there is 1gb ram vs 2 gb ram.
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If you aren't using LTE then international model wins hands down.
Faster CPU
Better GPU
Wolfson WM1811 DAC (may not be in US version.)
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1) Faster CPU? R u blind or something - Krait uses a highly modified A15s (which i believe what everyone wanted before Samsung decided to step back and stay on A9s for a bit more) and to be honest it is indeed faster in real life especially when it comes to opening apps (i had a chance to play with 2 devices).
2) GPU is faster on international thou but doubt u would be able to use even half of its power (i still have ipod touch 1gen and it can handle all games except Infinity Blade as long as OS allows on its weak PowerVR MBXLite)
3) Both have Wolfson DAC
4) NA Galaxy S3 has double RAM. If u are a multitasking freak (or use alot of ram hungry apps) then u would see a performance difference. Its also there to feed S4.
5) Krait is more power effecient than exynos when just using HSPA+
6) You have an option to use LTE (battery life will start draining faster however but highly dependent on your network)
With that said Exynos is indeed more optimized (no surprise) so the experience may be slower but ALWAYS fluid. However, nothing that the xda devs cant fix!!
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1) Faster CPU? R u blind or something - Krait uses a highly modified A15s (which i believe what everyone wanted before Samsung decided to step back and stay on A9s for a bit more) and to be honest it is indeed faster in real life especially when it comes to opening apps (i had a chance to play with 2 devices).
2) GPU is faster on international thou but doubt u would be able to use even half of its power (i still have ipod touch 1gen and it can handle all games except Infinity Blade as long as OS allows on its weak PowerVR MBXLite)
3) Both have Wolfson DAC
4) NA Galaxy S3 has double RAM. If u are a multitasking freak (or use alot of ram hungry apps) then u would see a performance difference. Its also there to feed S4.
5) Krait is more power effecient than exynos when just using HSPA+
6) You have an option to use LTE (battery life will start draining faster however but highly dependent on your network)
With that said Exynos is indeed more optimized (no surprise) so the experience may be slower but ALWAYS fluid. However, nothing that the xda devs cant fix!!
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Optimised A-9's built on 32nm Fab. Process with HKMG.
Krait is not more energy efficient, research high k metal gate which is used in the exynos 4412.
As for wolfson DAC, what us your source for that information? Supercurio said that it didn't after he came back from a trip to wolfsons facility in Edinburgh where he went after being invited to share some ideas.
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1) Faster CPU? R u blind or something - Krait uses a highly modified A15s (which i believe what everyone wanted before Samsung decided to step back and stay on A9s for a bit more) and to be honest it is indeed faster in real life especially when it comes to opening apps (i had a chance to play with 2 devices).
2) GPU is faster on international thou but doubt u would be able to use even half of its power (i still have ipod touch 1gen and it can handle all games except Infinity Blade as long as OS allows on its weak PowerVR MBXLite)
3) Both have Wolfson DAC
4) NA Galaxy S3 has double RAM. If u are a multitasking freak (or use alot of ram hungry apps) then u would see a performance difference. Its also there to feed S4.
5) Krait is more power effecient than exynos when just using HSPA+
6) You have an option to use LTE (battery life will start draining faster however but highly dependent on your network)
With that said Exynos is indeed more optimized (no surprise) so the experience may be slower but ALWAYS fluid. However, nothing that the xda devs cant fix!!
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Well I'm a multitasking freak and I never reached the 780mb alowed, the ram is managed really well, your argument is invalid.
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Reviewers have already indicated that the NA SIII is indeed faster in regards to cpu and slightly better in battery life. It was also proven that the INT SIII has a significantly better gpu. Nonetheless, both versions are fantastic and have their tradeoffs.
I prefer the international phone. Fast and clean phone, unlimited for $10 with high speed enough for me. Love the battery, last for a long hard day.
Decision Made!!
Thanks for the responses guys!!
I finally got my hands on the International model and been playing with it heavily since today afternoon. They battery was at 54% when I first booted the device. Its been several hours of non-stop usage and the battery life seems to be good. Of course its too early to make any conclusion.
Overall, I'm loving it. Its so smooth!!
So glad I decided to sell my note to get this one. No doubt the note was/still is an excellent device. But I love S3 more!!! <3 :laugh:
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Thanks for the responses guys!!
I finally got my hands on the International model and been playing with it heavily since today afternoon. They battery was at 54% when I first booted the device. Its been several hours of non-stop usage and the battery life seems to be good. Of course its too early to make any conclusion.
Overall, I'm loving it. Its so smooth!!
So glad I decided to sell my note to get this one. No doubt the note was/still is an excellent device. But I love S3 more!!! <3 :laugh:
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Congratz! I have this beast since monday and I'm using it everyday at work (web browsing, skype, steam, games, watching anime) auto brightness, power saving, 3g and sync always on and I get 13h with 6h30 on screen time when I get home with about 15% left! You can leave power saving even when gaming no lag no slow down, this phone is overpowered
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What's the best data settings on AT&T?
I've had a bunch of data issues with the GS3 stalling out, I've changed from Auto Mode to CDMA and GSM, all don't do much.
I am running the standard APN and my current plan is a LTE unlimited plan since I also have an AT&T HTC One X.
Thanks
The North American S3 does NOT have a Wolfson DAC:
Qualcomm's S4 chipset uses Qualcomm's proprietary audio hub, the WCD9310. This chipset is found in the US versions of the One X, One S, and even Samsung's Galaxy S III (only the international Galaxy S III will have a Wolfson DAC, sorry guys).
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We already several of these threads...
That said, international version for all of the reasons previously mentioned.
Damn, for a moment I thought the US version was on par. The upgraded DAC would be nice.
What about gorilaglass2 ?!?!
There are a lot of videos and comments, about International version don't have Gorilaglass2, what is proven to be on US version!!!
Honestly if you are not going to us LTE then there should be no discussion about it. The international version is an amazing phone and I got it because I also don't care for LTE. If I did then I would look into the pros and cons for both versions. Since your not using LTE then looking at pros and cons is just invalid because overall international version is more optimized and even the largest multitasking user will reach MAX of 850MB... honestly. Hope it helped.
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There are a lot of videos and comments, about International version don't have Gorilaglass2, what is proven to be on US version!!!
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That is incorrect, ALL variants have gorilla glass 2. Stop talking ****.
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what is going on here? samsung is going to launch a galaxy s III with a quad-core processor, 4G LTE and a huge 2GB RAM in Korea!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why they are doing this? why we are not getting these super features with the International version of galaxy s III?
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what is going on here? samsung is going to launch a galaxy s III with a quad-core processor, 4G LTE and a huge 2GB RAM in Korea!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why they are doing this? why we are not getting these super features with the International version of galaxy s III?
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1. Most countries aside from the US and Canada (and countries in Asia) don't have LTE.
2. The 2GB of RAM is negligible unless you're a super-multitasker.
3. The way they got the LTE radio to work with the Exynos is by separating it from the SoC, which will result in very poor battery life. In the US models, which also do LTE and have 2GB of RAM, the phone uses the Snapdragon S4 SoC, not Exynos, which results in better battery life at the loss of raw power.
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1. Most countries aside from the US and Canada (and countries in Asia) don't have LTE.
2. The 2GB of RAM is negligible unless you're a super-multitasker.
3. The way they got the LTE radio to work with the Exynos is by separating it from the SoC, which will resort in very poor battery life. In the US models, which also do LTE and have 2GB of RAM, the phone uses the Snapdragon S4 SoC, not Exynos, which results in better battery life at the loss of raw power.
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what do you think? will 2GB RAM boost the speed of s III? mean, will it help to run high graphics games smoother than the International version of s III?
No
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This completely uninformed and un-knowledgeable post makes me sad
RAM does not affect speed positively, only negatively if you have too little (like if you tried running Ice Cream Sandwich on a G1/HTC Dream). RAM only affects the amount of applications you can have open at once, which is not a huge deal given that 1GB of RAM is a lot already, and Android (which is Linux) has fantastic memory management.
Now, I know you're going to go into your Task Manager and then come here and post, "BUT I ONLY HAVE LIKE _____ MB RAM FREE!". In Linux, free RAM is wasted RAM; the OS will load applications into memory to fill it up BUT that doesn't mean they're running. They'll start up faster when you use them, but they won't use battery when you're not. So even if you got the 2GB version, most of it would still be filled by the OS.
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This completely uninformed and un-knowledgeable post makes me sad
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Are you here now too
Get used to it. Sgs3 forum manages to knock down the average xda iq quite a bit.
Not so much a dig at this op... this is quite mild
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This completely uninformed and un-knowledgeable post makes me sad
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are you asking me to inform you before posting a thread????????
Product F(RED) said:
RAM does not affect speed positively, only negatively if you have too little (like if you tried running Ice Cream Sandwich on a G1/HTC Dream). RAM only affects the amount of applications you can have open at once, which is not a huge deal given that 1GB of RAM is a lot already, and Android (which is Linux) has fantastic memory management.
Now, I know you're going to go into your Task Manager and then come here and post, "BUT I ONLY HAVE LIKE _____ MB RAM FREE!". In Linux, free RAM is wasted RAM; the OS will load applications into memory to fill it up BUT that doesn't mean they're running. They'll start up faster when you use them, but they won't use battery when you're not. So even if you got the 2GB version, most of it would still be filled by the OS.
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thanks for your information. I've got it now.:good: can you please make me understand that how samsung make a 4G LTE supported quad-core processor in a short time?
Normally, everything (RAM, CPU, GPU, DAC, Radios) are on one chip called an SoC (System on a Chip). Samsung put a separate 4G LTE radio in the phone, which talks to the SoC when it's being used. To clarify, when you say Exynos, you're talking about the SoC; that's what Samsung's is called. Snapdragon and Tegra III are other SoC's. But anyways, they put a separate (not on the SoC) LTE radio in there to make them be able to talk to each other, BUT it results in much less battery life since the phone has to power several components at once instead of one chip with everything on it.
This isn't the first time they've done this. The Tab 7.7 on Verizon (4G LTE) here in the US has the same Exynos dual-core as the Galaxy S II, but it has separate radio as well. The separate 4G LTE radio must have its own co-processor of some kind to process the information that the Exynos can't.
Hi Everyone,
Just wanted to know any provider in US is providing the quad core version of the phone? I have to get myself a new phone. And will weigh my options between iPhone 5 and S3 (just waiting for reviews and comparisons), but wanted the quad core version of the Galaxy S III.
U can get them from newegg brand new but at full price.
All the us carriers have the dual core version. And actually my brother has lte dual core version from T-Mobile and according to our test, his is slightly better in the graphics department and mine is better in cpu but not enough to tell a difference.
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both on stock at the moment!!
The Snapdragon has a 2GB RAM right?
Yes it does! But there is a new quad with 2gb ram coming
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I would rather choose the dualcore version. The overall speed is the same, but the snapdragon processor didn't heat up so much as the quadcore version . And the 2GB of RAM are great
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I would rather choose the dualcore version. The overall speed is the same, but the snapdragon processor didn't heat up so much as the quadcore version . And the 2GB of RAM are great
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Never felt any heat at my quad device, no offence, just telling
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SGS_elko said:
I would rather choose the dualcore version. The overall speed is the same, but the snapdragon processor didn't heat up so much as the quadcore version . And the 2GB of RAM are great
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I beg to differ. I actually have both devices currently. The overall speed is slightly different. The dualcore seems a bit quicker but it's not as smooth and fluid as the 9300. You really can only tell having them side by side by the US version is slightly more jerky than the 9300. I'm not saying the US is a slouch at all but side by side you can see the difference.
The JB leak on the US version has made it super smooth though. I believe project butter is farther along on the dualcore JB leaks than the 9300 leaks.
About the heat, my US version actually heats up more than my 9300. The Ram department I'm not seeing a huge difference there either. I mean sure the US has more free ram available but so far I havent noticed anything too different. I mean I have over 700mb free on my US version now. I opened an app like 20 min ago came back to it and it had to relaunch so even though I had over 700MB free the app still closed itself(or android did)
They are both great devices and I do find myself switching between the two. LTE is very nice..
I really really hope they release a quad with 2gb and LTE in the US like they are in other parts of the world but I doubt they will since in their eyes NA already has a LTE capable GS3 with 2gb of ram. That would be my perfect phone
So I wouldnt hold my breath for them releasing one in the US that just has Quadcore with 2gb of ram and LTE but I guess I can hope
The international version has a faster GPU by quite a way. However, if I were you I'd focus more on whether you require 4G than whether you can get hold of the quad core. The reality is that the quad core processor is not better. If I had the choice I'd have gone for the S4, but of course that choice was not there.
hell_storm2004 said:
Hi Everyone,
Just wanted to know any provider in US is providing the quad core version of the phone? I have to get myself a new phone. And will weigh my options between iPhone 5 and S3 (just waiting for reviews and comparisons), but wanted the quad core version of the Galaxy S III.
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While many are responding to your question about S3 quad vs US dual core differences, I wanted to respond to your iPhone 5 vs S3 doubt.
I think you should first of all think about screen size. In my opinion, 4" and 4.8" are totally different things. For me the choice is simple, I wouldn't want the iPhone because the screen is too small. The apps can be fantastic and fluid on the iPhone, I will enjoy them more on a (much) larger 4.8" screen. The iPhone 5 seems to really have a (exynos 5 based) dual core A15 based processor, which is pretty neat. The performance should be really great while battery life will be solid as well. Anyway, it all doesn't matter because the screen is too small!
So I would say think about this, if you still have doubts between the iPhone 5 and the S3 (whatever version)
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Confirmed A15 ?
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No nothing is confirmed it might be a15s but definitely not exynos!!
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Ausboy 2011 said:
No nothing is confirmed it might be a15s but definitely not exynos!!
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Maybe the same processor used in new Sony smartphones.
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Not exynos, exynos based or exynos cousin.
It is apple A6.
Also A-15 is a rumour, NOTHING is for certain.
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There is no way u would choose the dual core 2gb over the quad core 2gb. Thats a joke. They done a comparison and the dual core 2gb is equal to the quad 1gb. So let's just imagine the quad with 2gb
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Maybe the same processor used in new Sony smartphones.
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No apple made the cpu in house so it's there own cpu
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I also own both devices and I've been having such a hard time deciding on which one to keep and which one to sell. The US version definitely is jerkier on ICS. I'm downloading the T-Mobile JB leak right now, but I was running one of the Canadian leaks and it still felt jerky like ICS was. Battery life between the two seems pretty even although the International seems to win out. Also I'm on Straight Talks so LTE isn't a factor for me. The US model probably due to the modems and what not seems to be better with straight talk than my International does. Sound quality I have to say is better on the i9300 vs. 747. Even with cheapo headphones I was noticing some songs sounded worse on the i747 vs. i9300. I'm still going back and forth. The 2gb of ram is nice, but I really haven't seen any difference in the Ram usage between the two. The S4 seems to kill background processes the same as the Exynos. There definitely seems to be more development for the International model over the US one, but seeing as Sprint, T-Mo, AT&T, and Verizon are all the same there's still a lot of development and if one gets a better leak than the others it quickly gets ported.
duowing said:
I also own both devices and I've been having such a hard time deciding on which one to keep and which one to sell. The US version definitely is jerkier on ICS. I'm downloading the T-Mobile JB leak right now, but I was running one of the Canadian leaks and it still felt jerky like ICS was. Battery life between the two seems pretty even although the International seems to win out. Also I'm on Straight Talks so LTE isn't a factor for me. The US model probably due to the modems and what not seems to be better with straight talk than my International does. Sound quality I have to say is better on the i9300 vs. 747. Even with cheapo headphones I was noticing some songs sounded worse on the i747 vs. i9300. I'm still going back and forth. The 2gb of ram is nice, but I really haven't seen any difference in the Ram usage between the two. The S4 seems to kill background processes the same as the Exynos. There definitely seems to be more development for the International model over the US one, but seeing as Sprint, T-Mo, AT&T, and Verizon are all the same there's still a lot of development and if one gets a better leak than the others it quickly gets ported.
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We have the Wolfson chip that's why
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We have the Wolfson chip that's why
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I never really noticed until I was listening to songs on random. Usually when I go for a run I use my Zune HD for music, but I was using my i747 so I could use one of those GPS running apps and I was thinking man I don't remember this song sounding so muffled and flat.
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I never really noticed until I was listening to songs on random. Usually when I go for a run I use my Zune HD for music, but I was using my i747 so I could use one of those GPS running apps and I was thinking man I don't remember this song sounding so muffled and flat.
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I have both as well and I'm thinking of using my i9300 as a media player/gaming device and stripping out all the phone stuff and using my i747 for phone functions like surfing the web texting etc.. for the LTE connection (which has spoiled me) But I think I would look pretty funny on the subway with two of the exact same devices. One for my music and one for texting.. hahha
Quad core is the way forward, if you wanted a dual then in all honesty there are better phones out there for the price tag.
A lot of people say that the extras cores aren't always utilized and they're partly right, but the overall feel of the system and gaming in particular will shine through on a quad as opposed to the dual offering.
If you have the honour of being able to choose between them, then you have to weigh up whether you want quad core or 4G.
Personally i've got wifi most places i go and HSPA is rapid for me so it's a no brainer but some ppl just want more, i myself think it's an unnecessary sacrifice.
But thats just my opinion.