I am wondering since HTC not interested to give us ICS, will HTC release all the source code necessary to build AOSP ICS for flyer?
I'm keeping my finger cross here. I plan to make a petition for HTC to release source code or at least source code for all the driver.
No. Don't waste your time. If anything petition for a full working honeycomb update. Thanks
j510 said:
No. Don't waste your time. If anything petition for a full working honeycomb update. Thanks
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I think if HTC release the source code, at least we might forgive HTC for not release ICS for Flyer.
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I think if HTC release the source code, at least we might forgive HTC for not release ICS for Flyer.
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Waste of time, not gonna happen. HTC doesn't own most of the drivers. Other companies like Qualcomm, Broadcomm, etc. own them. The most important thing HTC would do is write a ICS compatible kernel and they never did that for the FLyer so you are asking for vapor.
I think HTC may be out of business in a year or two. Microsoft just banned them from access to Windows 8 and phone. HTC is headed down and out.
I agree HTC is going down but what is the real impact of not being able to produce a phone with windows 8? so the couple of dozens of win mobile users wont buy htc
still, so sad...
I don't understand how they could screw up like this on the tablet market.
They do excellent HW and the Flyer could have sold much better if they have had the proper price and marketing approach. And a dual-core...
HTC has a very good SW layer (Sense), far better than most of the others on the market. When I tried the Samsung stuff, it was not even comparable.
So why aren't they trying harder?
They could have put those $300M in developers and products rather than in beats...
One smart move would be for ASUS to buy HTC: that way they'll create a real strong team, covering the whole line-up of products from phones to PCs.
Any large investment fund interested in my strategy?
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I agree HTC is going down but what is the real impact of not being able to produce a phone with windows 8? so the couple of dozens of win mobile users wont buy htc
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Always nice to get a jab at Microsoft in, but unless Google and friends get their act together on Android updates and app integration with the desktop, Microsoft and Windows RT / 8 are posed to make a big impact on the market over the next 6 months. I'm sure HTC could have used a few hundred million $$ in extra sales for Windows RT phones. HTC management has been making a series of bad business decisions over the past year. They need a change. The market is not very forgiving.
Touchwizis better . Sense only has widgets thatare nice but cause the device to slowdown
Man windows 8 is retarded. What's so wrong with 7? No Aero? Really? And most people who use it say metro is clunky and unnecessary clutter. Google isn't scared of windows 8, microsoft is scared of google, and apple for that matter. How big of an impact will windows 8 be? Well how big is windows phone? Exactly.
I might have met 2 people since 2010 who actually bought a windows phone.
Overall its just too soon for a new os from microsoft. Windows 7 is nothing short of excellent and perfect. And the gap between XP and vista is like 6 years, its only been 3 years since 7 launched. Microsoft is jumping the gun IMO. Honestly I probably won't even get it. At its core its just "6.2" and still windows vista based so I don't see how its necessary for a PC.
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Man windows 8 is retarded. What's so wrong with 7? No Aero? Really? And most people who use it say metro is clunky and unnecessary clutter. Google isn't scared of windows 8, microsoft is scared of google, and apple for that matter. How big of an impact will windows 8 be? Well how big is windows phone? Exactly.
I might have met 2 people since 2010 who actually bought a windows phone.
Overall its just too soon for a new os from microsoft. Windows 7 is nothing short of excellent and perfect. And the gap between XP and vista is like 6 years, its only been 3 years since 7 launched. Microsoft is jumping the gun IMO. Honestly I probably won't even get it. At its core its just "6.2" and still windows vista based so I don't see how its necessary for a PC.
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Don't be a hater.
Try logic and actual facts, not religion.
Actually, Android, while popular is a bit retarded .
4 Years into android and 6 incarnations later, the Android crowd still cannot figure out how to update more than 10% of its devices.
Microsoft releases new updates every Tuesday.
Intel says Android not ready for multiple-core processors. I have pointed this out many times in the forum.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Intel-says-Android-not-ready-for-multiple-core-processors_id31076
HTC's poor s'ales record has been noticed by Microsoft. MS does not want HTC to build its first Windows 8 tablets.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Weak-...tablet_id31074
"Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated..."
Follow the Microsoft policy of world domination, of you cannot be #1 in a market, don't enter the market (or buy the competition).
I do honestly believe HTC is heading down a bad road. I'm not sure what happened to them. They used to be the truly innovative and hands down best smartphone maker, and made some great windows mobile devices as well as the first ever android phone, and the first google phone. And then they made the EVO 4G, and afterwards everything went to hell. Too many HTC Ecstasy HD names, and too many clones of the same thing. Even the sequel to the EVO, the EVO 3D was a disappointment. And as for the tablets, they pretty much went straight into the market without researching it first, at least thats what it seemed like, but to be fair android tablets really are just now getting to the point where they are worth buying, as many of the old ones would cost the same price with weaker hardware than an ipad, or more if you got one equivalent to. The Flyer was no exception either. And why in gods name would anyone want a blackberry rip off that runs android and has a facebook button? Too many stupid products and clones of the same thing, thats why HTC is where it is now, and why Samsung has made the past 2 google phones.
And I really don't get why they thing sense 4.0 is less intrusive, its every bit as intrusive as the sense 3.6 that is running on my phone. They made a few graphic tweaks, and removed the clutter from the notification bar, and called it less intrusive pretty much. Overall if you want a more pure google experience HTC is still the last manufacturer you buy a phone from. I mean overall yeah the only way to get a pure google experience is buying a nexus no doubt, but for example after you get past the iphone-ish look of the launcher, touchwiz isn't very intrusive at all. HTC really seems to make you want to forget your using android and your using sense os instead.
That being said I don't hate sense, its actually grown on me quite a bit, but one thing I do notice on my Vivid, is if you dare to use a 3rd party application instead of a sense one, expect nothing but problems. You change the launcher, you'll constantly get the "launch by default" popup every time you hit the home button. You change the keyboard you get lag. You wanna use GOSMS instead of the text messenger built in, its slow to load, and seems bugger than you remember it on your Samsung phone.
DigitalMD said:
Don't be a hater.
Try logic and actual facts, not religion.
Actually, Android, while popular is a bit retarded .
4 Years into android and 6 incarnations later, the Android crowd still cannot figure out how to update more than 10% of its devices.
Microsoft releases new updates every Tuesday.
Intel says Android not ready for multiple-core processors. I have pointed this out many times in the forum.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Intel-says-Android-not-ready-for-multiple-core-processors_id31076
HTC's poor s'ales record has been noticed by Microsoft. MS does not want HTC to build its first Windows 8 tablets.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Weak-...tablet_id31074
"Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated..."
Follow the Microsoft policy of world domination, of you cannot be #1 in a market, don't enter the market (or buy the competition).
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Microsoft releases fixes for Windows once per month, on Tuesdays.
As to HTC releasing the files for ICS, that question assumes that HTC ever had ICS in development for the Flyer or View. I don't think they did.
You guys think there is any possibility of a performance and stability update for honeycomb?
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You guys think there is any possibility of a performance and stability update for honeycomb?
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THIS is what i really want. Not another half azd firmware upgrade
If dual core doesn't make a difference, then why does my buddy's galaxy tab plus with a slower dual core exynos SoC and honeycomb smoke the flyer on just about everything with honeycomb? If dual core doesn't matter, then it's all on a lazy half assed effort from HTC. There is some truth to it as the jetstream is also laggy.
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If dual core doesn't make a difference, then why does my buddy's galaxy tab plus with a slower dual core exynos SoC and honeycomb smoke the flyer on just about everything with honeycomb? If dual core doesn't matter, then it's all on a lazy half assed effort from HTC. There is some truth to it as the jetstream is also laggy.
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Dual core does matter from what I've seen . I think touchwiz is less cluttered? Than sense. Sense lags like a bbbb
Windows mobile is just way too limited for me. There are moments I think it is cool but it bores me after using a device for 15 minutes
Flyer
DigitalMD said:
Waste of time, not gonna happen. HTC doesn't own most of the drivers.
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Own what drivers?
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I think HTC may be out of business in a year or two. Microsoft just banned them from access to Windows 8 and phone
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Rubbish. They didn't get pre access to windows 8 (according to microsoft because they don't have much experience in tablets), but once Windows 8 is out HTC could make as many as they want (but lets face it who would want a windows 8 tablet anyway)
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DigitalMD said:
Don't be a hater.
Try logic and actual facts, not religion.
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Remember that when you make up stuff.
DigitalMD said:
Actually, Android, while popular is a bit retarded .
4 Years into android and 6 incarnations later, the Android crowd still cannot figure out how to update more than 10% of its devices.
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They could if they wanted to, but:
1. New software doesn't always run on old outdated hardware. Its been that way for decades.
2. 99% of users don't give a crap about what version of Android they are running. Many normal people don't know what version of OS there is on the phone, or even WHAT OS it is.
You want new stuff, buy new stuff - that's how capitalism works.
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Intel says Android not ready for multiple-core processors.
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Because they are not making multiple core processors and are desperately trying to sell their single core stuff.
DigitalMD said:
I HTC's poor s'ales record has been noticed by Microsoft. MS does not want HTC to build its first Windows 8 tablets.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Weak-...tablet_id31074
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Exactly, their first, they haven't been banned from doing it if they want.
Perhaps they'll just stop with the tablets and focus on the phones.
Everybody is raving about their new HTC ONE line.
Kermode said:
Own what drivers?
Rubbish. They didn't get pre access to windows 8 (according to microsoft because they don't have much experience in tablets), but once Windows 8 is out HTC could make as many as they want (but lets face it who would want a windows 8 tablet anyway)
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Remember that when you make up stuff.
They could if they wanted to, but:
1. New software doesn't always run on old outdated hardware. Its been that way for decades.
2. 99% of users don't give a crap about what version of Android they are running. Many normal people don't know what version of OS there is on the phone, or even WHAT OS it is.
You want new stuff, buy new stuff - that's how capitalism works.
Because they are not making multiple core processors and are desperately trying to sell their single core stuff.
Exactly, their first, they haven't been banned from doing it if they want.
Perhaps they'll just stop with the tablets and focus on the phones.
Everybody is raving about their new HTC ONE line.
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Yep. Intel is being lame and spewing BS.
Dual core makes a difference. You want proof install watchdog on a device with a dual core and without a dual core. The single core model will get alerts of apps that are misbehaving and using too much CPU, the dual core never well, as no app can seem to use that much CPU.
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Hope I'm not being sacrilegeous, but is it possible? I've always admired the platform, but the lack of apps always held me back from trying it.
Any possibility we could get WebOS running on the G tab?
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Because if number of available apps is the problem, WebOS is clearly the answer.
Thanks for the laugh.
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Because if number of available apps is the problem, WebOS is clearly the answer.
Thanks for the laugh.
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the lack of apps is whats kept him from trying Web OS (ie: buying a web os device) however hes interested in trying out the platform if he could get it running on his gtab.
but you clearly didn't pick that up and made an ass of yourself.
You're right (on both counts).
Not the first or last time I make an ass of myself on the internet.
I doubt it, but it would be awesome. WebOS is a stunningly beautiful OS. I love the way it looks, feels, and works. To me, it's up there with android in the multitasking department and surpasses it in design (though honeycomb is getting close). I had a pre for about 6 months and sometimes miss some of the things it did. That being said, as of june 2010, it was buggy as all get out and the app store was severly lacking.
I second the request for someone to look into this though, as it would be a lot of fun to play with.
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You're right (on both counts).
Not the first or last time I make an ass of myself on the internet.
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Hey, at least you owned up to it
I bought a Palm Pre the day it was released, I thought WebOS was pretty damn awesome, but they released it on hardware of the worst quality (my Pre oreo'd like a mofo, and the touchscreen stopped working 9 months in). That and the fact that they didn't license it out like Android pretty much doomed it from the start.
Nice to see HP giving it a go, and #2 tablet world is wide open at the moment, but I wouldn't choose it over Android. Would be fun to play with though.
CPU is probably the big obstacle - anyone know what WebOS is compiled for? I actually know very little about the device.
If, for example, the hardware was ARM based then it's in the realm of possibility.
EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webos. hmmm, ARM-based and Linux based. Interesting.....
roebeet said:
CPU is probably the big obstacle - anyone know what WebOS is compiled for? I actually know very little about the device.
If, for example, the hardware was ARM based then it's in the realm of possibility.
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original pre was an omap processor, not sure if that is arm or not. I think texas instruments was the manufacturer
Btw I thought of this after reading about all the work done on the HTC HD2 and and HD7 running both Windows x.x and Android concurrently. Android Central recently had an article about WebOS 3.0 where they said it is starting to look mighty impressive.
I've always enjoyed Android and how customizable it is, but have enjoyed the UI from WebOS (one of my cousin owned a Pre).
Btw I enjoy using all platforms, I've been on Windows, OS X, and Ubunut for desktops and laptops, and for Smartphones I've used WM 6 (and prior), Blackberry, iOS, and Android. I tend to go with the one that suits my needs/wants best. Now that tablets are starting to be on the rise, I haven't set in stone which one I prefer yet. I picked up a Gtab from Woot knowing that there is a strong community of modders in addition to some solid internal hardware and specs.
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I know nothing about the programming side, but if we could get the ball rolling on this, I'm ready and willing to use my time and hardware for testing.
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Web os is now open source.
Anyone interested
Ubunut!
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..., and Ubunut ...
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LOL! Is this the name for an Ubuntu fanatic?
Just wanted to know, if there's any chance we can get a hand on a WP7 build/rom for our phones in future...
Given that samsung is going to release a virtually identical phone with WP7 on it....would be good to have this phone running both the OSs...
(might be a bit of hangover from my HD2 days)
Any comments welcome( please dont make it into a fanboy slugfest)
-MM
Probably not. WP7 is closed source and porting it would be nightmare to any dev. I've seen many posts like this all over these forums and they all said the same thing. Kind of like trying to port iOS to other devices. It would infringe on patents etc.
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But haven't they ported WP7 for HD2?
Konstantinos said:
But haven't they ported WP7 for HD2?
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Yes but that's completely different.
What you are asking about will probably never happen.
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Why would you want to replace android by wp7? (no fanboyism, just an honest question)
meletios said:
Just wanted to know, if there's any chance we can get a hand on a WP7 build/rom for our phones in future...
Given that samsung is going to release a virtually identical phone with WP7 on it....would be good to have this phone running both the OSs...
(might be a bit of hangover from my HD2 days)
Any comments welcome( please dont make it into a fanboy slugfest)
-MM
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Same question posted before dont know if the question was answered or not .
jje
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Why would you want to replace android by wp7? (no fanboyism, just an honest question)
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Some people like me, get bored of Android. If I could flash WP7, I would have done so in a heartbeat.
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I would love to have iOS on GSII but not WP7.
Anyway I don't think it's possible too.
@OP- Just use Launcher 7, least you'll have some 7 like stuff in your device
Regards.
Avelnan said:
Some people like me, get bored of Android. If I could flash WP7, I would have done so in a heartbeat.
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You'll get bored looking at tiles even quicker.
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But haven't they ported WP7 for HD2?
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If you look at the earliest prototype versions of WP7, it was run on the HD2. So all the drivers had been developed. It still required an awful lot of development to convert the finished HD7 to run on the HD2.
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Yes but that's completely different.
What you are asking about will probably never happen.
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Why is it different? -_-;
Drivers for the SoC? Graphics drivers for Mali?
The HD2 runs on a very common SoC that a lot of WP7 handsets used, as it was one of the few certified for the OS at the time.
If we get a WP7 phone that uses Exynos and if the drivers are compatible MAYBE.
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Drivers for the SoC? Graphics drivers for Mali?
The HD2 runs on a very common SoC that a lot of WP7 handsets used, as it was one of the few certified for the OS at the time.
If we get a WP7 phone that uses Exynos and if the drivers are compatible MAYBE.
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But if samsung release a wp7 phone wich is practical the same as sgs2 hardware wise.. So drivers would already be there for mali etc?
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Genuine query:
If you want to run W7 on your phone, why did you buy an android phone in the first place? If you have a hangover from previous days, why didnt you buy another W7 phone with updated features (compared to your previous one)?
Its the same with people wanting iOS on the SGSII...why not buy an iphone?
I never did understand spending £500+ on this android phone and then asking to change the OS (when you knew it came with android anyway)
Not flaming, just trying to understand why people ask these questions...
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Why is it different? -_-;
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Answered above and below your post.
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The reason why
Hi guys,
when there will be chance to switch to WM 7.5 from Android, I'll maybe do it and here is why:
I won't buy any new mobile for it's full price, as they are very often overpriced in my country. I made an operator change and I've bought SGS II on a contract for about 120 dollars (who won't buy it then? :-> ). First few weeks I was really amazed about Android, but now I feel it has the same issues as Linux.
Like it or not, I live and work in the World called Microsoft (outlook, excel, word) and cannot switch it for something else. Sadly Android doesn't support them and I think MS wouldn't port those aps since they have their own mobile OS.
In WM all those app are natively inside the system and you get storage in MS cloud. Sync mails, tasks with outlook is way much easier than on Android. So for people like me is Android fine, but missing really important features....
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Hi guys,
when there will be chance to switch to WM 7.5 from Android, I'll maybe do it and here is why:
I won't buy any new mobile for it's full price, as they are very often overpriced in my country. I made an operator change and I've bought SGS II on a contract for about 120 dollars (who won't buy it then? :-> ). First few weeks I was really amazed about Android, but now I feel it has the same issues as Linux.
Like it or not, I live and work in the World called Microsoft (outlook, excel, word) and cannot switch it for something else. Sadly Android doesn't support them and I think MS wouldn't port those aps since they have their own mobile OS.
In WM all those app are natively inside the system and you get storage in MS cloud. Sync mails, tasks with outlook is way much easier than on Android. So for people like me is Android fine, but missing really important features....
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You need to take into consideration that it's Windows Phone 7, not Windows Mobile. It's a brand new OS that's not even been around for a year yet, unlike the old Windows Mobile that has been around for years.
Apps-wise, Windows Phone just doesn't cut it yet, and is playing a slow game of catch-up with the likes of iOS and Android.
I hear what you're saying about WM, but WP does not have that amount of support, yet.
jakoob_cz said:
Hi guys,
when there will be chance to switch to WM 7.5 from Android, I'll maybe do it and here is why:
I won't buy any new mobile for it's full price, as they are very often overpriced in my country. I made an operator change and I've bought SGS II on a contract for about 120 dollars (who won't buy it then? :-> ). First few weeks I was really amazed about Android, but now I feel it has the same issues as Linux.
Like it or not, I live and work in the World called Microsoft (outlook, excel, word) and cannot switch it for something else. Sadly Android doesn't support them and I think MS wouldn't port those aps since they have their own mobile OS.
In WM all those app are natively inside the system and you get storage in MS cloud. Sync mails, tasks with outlook is way much easier than on Android. So for people like me is Android fine, but missing really important features....
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I am fairly certain that there is an android (and btw, a linux) alternative which supports Microsoft Office formats. Outlook is just email, no problem there. for Excel and Word, Polaris Office does the job just fine.
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You need to take into consideration that it's Windows Phone 7, not Windows Mobile. It's a brand new OS that's not even been around for a year yet, unlike the old Windows Mobile that has been around for years.
Apps-wise, Windows Phone just doesn't cut it yet, and is playing a slow game of catch-up with the likes of iOS and Android.
I hear what you're saying about WM, but WP does not have that amount of support, yet.
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I meant Windows Phone 7. I'm reading a blog from one guy about WM 7.5 development and it seems that Mail and Office will be better in this OS. Everything is synced without third-party apps, you have skydrive and etc...
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I am fairly certain that there is an android (and btw, a linux) alternative which supports Microsoft Office formats. Outlook is just email, no problem there. for Excel and Word, Polaris Office does the job just fine.
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For sure they are, but most of them didn't work well. So sometimes they didn't calculate properly or save the file such, that Microsoft Office can't reopen them. I think this is mainly MS fault, but for me is this the reason, why I will prefer native support...
Just to understand my job: I work with relatively big tables, lots of macros and sources on local network.
Ok, just wanted to put this up here.
I come from the legendary HTC HD2 so I know nothing is impossible from win6.5 to android is huge
Do you guys think a port of win8 will be possible? i mean they said 1gb of RAM is enough to run win8... and 1.5GHz should not be a problem if Atom is 1.6GHz, since we can overclock it and stuff..
so, is it possible, or whats talking against it?
Technically, its "possible". But nobody is going to take the time to port Windows8 to the Flyer. Windows is closed source, making porting it over extremely difficult. Plus, there would be no drivers to make the hardware work with the OS. I'm no developer, but the enormous amount of work to overcome these obstacles make them infeasible, compared to simply buying a Windows 8 device (when they become available).
On the other hand, there are developers who will try just for the fun of it. Will it be usuable to the general public? I doubt it....
Somebody tell Microsoft!
Hey this thing is already running a version of Linux, you see any ports to a full blown linux tablet?
Nice idea thou, the new Windows 8 looks to be finger friendly
yeah i know it will be a pain in the arse, but hey - some people like to do this just for the fun and recognition - you know, be the one who finally managed to hack win8 and port it to a android device.
its been done before, and i think many will be donating to help.
its a fun thing.. imagine dual boot
You could install Ubuntu on the Flyer, but for what , I don't know.
Read lots of issues and complaints about W8. Its a ubuntu mini wannabe. Its a nightmare on a pc and probably going to be classified as a cousin to vista. Windows is a mess structuraly compared to Linux, which is Android.
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There are a few reasons why it will never work, most of them people already mentioned
1. You can't compare a 1.6Ghz Intel x86 processor to a 1.6Ghz ARM one, the Flyer is well below the minimum specs.
2. Microsoft will not publicly release their ARM builds, they will only sell them directly to OEMs unlike the desktop version of Windows 8.
3. It's closed source.
4. If someone does miraculously manage to get it running (hey this is xda), functionality will be extremely limited as there is no legacy app support for ARM.
You could install Ubuntu like DigitalMD said and put Win8 on a VM in there.... doubt it would boot though and you would have to find chuck norris and make him round-house kick the lag.
From ALL of the Tablets on the Market, I have checked out ALL of them. The one that I'm the happiest with is the Sprint HTC EVO View Tablet. It's the LOUDEST of ANY & ALL Tablets on the market. Anywhere from a little bit to a lot louder. I know that it's just a 7" screen, but it has the best sound. I would like to get Windows 8 on the HTC EVO View Tablet. i hope that ANYONE can come up with a solution to this. If anyone can come up with a solution to this, then I would put it on the HTC EVO View Tablet ASAP!
It's not possible. Doesn't meet min specs.
We installed it at work on an HP Slate that was running Win7, and it constantly freaked out about the resolution not being high enough. If a device that was meant to run Windows OS is unable to run Win8, it's not going to happen on an Android device. At least not officially.
And considering we can't get an ICS build running, it's a pretty good bet we'll never get Win8 to run.
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It's not possible. Doesn't meet min specs.
We installed it at work on an HP Slate that was running Win7, and it constantly freaked out about the resolution not being high enough. If a device that was meant to run Windows OS is unable to run Win8, it's not going to happen on an Android device. At least not officially.
And considering we can't get an ICS build running, it's a pretty good bet we'll never get Win8 to run.
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I have a slate 500. Did you set it to the higher resolution? Win 8 should work, although the screen is a bit off at the higher resolution.
A bit off topic, I know...
Well that was just one aspect of it.
We weren't able to set the resolution any higher then the max 1024x600. It just wouldn't allow anything higher. It *runs* but anytime you click/swipe etc it vomits error messages.
Still, so many challenges keeping it from happening on the view/flyer. It's a pipe dream.
Yeah this ain't gonna happen. Already got a very good , usable OS.
I"d spend my time improving that and creating better apps
Is it possible looking at hardware? Yes, I think so. The architecture should be fine, as there is an ARM version.
However, what do we need?
-Drivers for Windows 8, and if we want to make this work out correctly, we do need the ability to write drivers ourselves, which is a lot of work.
-A custom bootloader. I hope that, after we get ICS to boot on the Flyer correctly, we can work on a bootloader, as it would be really nice for a real tweakers-tablet, so there might be a possibility for this (not giving an ETA, as I don't know how much work it is and it will take a lot of time, don't get excited on this at all...)
And besides, when we can work on a native Linux-distribution, I don't think it's worth it to work on W8, especially because every way we get it running is not legal. Oh, and let's not forget the work it takes to get it to boot, as it would take quite some magic to get a Windows kernel booting.
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Technically, its "possible". But nobody is going to take the time to port Windows8 to the Flyer. Windows is closed source, making porting it over extremely difficult. Plus, there would be no drivers to make the hardware work with the OS. I'm no developer, but the enormous amount of work to overcome these obstacles make them infeasible, compared to simply buying a Windows 8 device (when they become available).
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and what do you think about windows phone 7 on the HD2? i believe it was extremely hard, but people made it
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Read lots of issues and complaints about W8. Its a ubuntu mini wannabe. Its a nightmare on a pc and probably going to be classified as a cousin to vista. Windows is a mess structuraly compared to Linux, which is Android.
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f**k you... don't write total bull****s here... it's not a noob forum. i didn't see any other complaints except people's noobiness.. they'll get used to the new controls. they're just awesome.
Naysayers always say nay. I'm amazed at the accomplishments @ XDA thus far and have learned never say never. I for one would love to see this happen.
Some people do things because their told it can't be done.
im using the rtm windows 8 right now i gotta say its pretty good ...early builds had issues but they did good quicker smother would be awesome if they could get windows 8 on my VIEW cuz its def built for mobile ...splashtop for now
Big_O said:
Read lots of issues and complaints about W8. Its a ubuntu mini wannabe. Its a nightmare on a pc and probably going to be classified as a cousin to vista. Windows is a mess structuraly compared to Linux, which is Android.
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Technically possilbe, but it's extreemely unlikely to happen. Especially since windows is in no way open source, and the flyer doesn't have that many modders.
When will Microsoft & HTC Get together to put WINDOWS 8 on this Tablet? I'm not a fan of Android, but I have to really give HTC their Props for this Tablet.
From ALL of the other Tablets on the market, this is by FAR the BEST BUILT TABLET made. It has the BEST Quality of ALL the others that I have personally checked out. Not one Tablet can even come close to the sound quality of the HTC EVO VIEW Tablet.
I would like to know WHEN WINDOWS 8 will make it's way onto the HTC EVO VIEW TABLET!
If anyone has put even Windows 7 on this Tablet, I would also like to know that. Please pass on any info that there is on both of the OS's that I have asked about. Thank You All for Any & All of your Help.
not sure if serious or....
I'm 100% serious at what I posted.
I want the HTC EVO VIEW TABLET with WINDOWS 8 Installed on it. I don't want to have it on it any other way like with OnLive.
No. They will not. The HTC isn't even close to meeting the minimum requirements for a Windows 8 tablet, starting with an incompatible CPU.
If there's a will there's a way. Remember we have android running on iPhones and windows mobile phones.
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I'm 100% serious at what I posted.
I want the HTC EVO VIEW TABLET with WINDOWS 8 Installed on it. I don't want to have it on it any other way like with OnLive.
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Not gonna happen(at least not officially).
EVO View hit end of life. Windows 8 isn't even out yet. Microsoft isn't going to waste time developing for a dead tablet.
Plus, it doesn't meet the min specs. For example display resolution does not meet 1366 x 768
The devs might be able to do it one day but we don't even have a working ICS port for the view. Getting windows 8 to run would be really interesting for them, I'm sure.
What about windows 7 on the HTC EVO VIEW?
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What about windows 7 on the HTC EVO VIEW?
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.onlive.desktop
there you go
Spartan1987; I said before, that I want Windows INSTALLED on the HTC EVO VIEW Tablet.
I didn't say that I want to access Windows through OnLive.
Please read everything. Thanks.
Forgetting about the minimum hardware requirements, windows 7 doesn't run on the arm arch, so that would be a resounding "no".
Besides, we can't even get cm7/9 on the view and cm runs on just about anything.
Thanks for playing.
Yeah, let's worry about getting the best version of Android on this thing before Windows.
If you wanted a Windows tablet so bad and you hate Android, perhaps you should have been smart and waited for a Windows tablet to come out.
Nokia to release a 10" Windows 8 tablet with dual-core Snapdragon S4 in Q4
I know, blasphemous. But I need more productivity.
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Spartan1987; I said before, that I want Windows INSTALLED on the HTC EVO VIEW Tablet.
I didn't say that I want to access Windows through OnLive.
Please read everything. Thanks.
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rather than sound like an inconsiderate prick/troll on an ANDROID FORUM saying stupid statements like this to a DEVELOPER, why don't you learn to develop, and do it yourself? it's not going to happen anytime soon. go buy a windows device if you want windows so bad, christ almighty.
some people, man.
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With all of the devices out on the Market, the HTC EVO VIEW Tablet is the one with the BEST QUALITY. As I said before ALL of the other Tablets / Slates whether they are Android or Windows can't come close to the SOUND QUALITY that the HTC EVO VIEW Tablet has. That's why I want WINDOWS 8 on that. I'm not here to bash Android at all. It's just the way that I feel. And read this very close and very carefully. I DON'T LIKE ANDROID. That's not bashing Android. That's just MY OPINION. Everyone is entitled to their Opinions. If you can at least read into what I'm saying here you should have Agreed with the statement that I made. The HTC EVO VIEW TABLET IS A HIGH QUALITY BUILT DEVICE. If you don't agree with that, then, that's YOUR OPINION. You are entitled to that. Also I'm not here to say that mine is better than yours. I just want to have sort of the same, but just a bit different. Just the OS. Most people here personalize things that they have to make it more to their liking. That's just what I want to do. Like with my car. My model car don't come with Fog lights at all. It's not even an option. But, I have the factory lights on my model car. Also my lights are HID. That also is not an option. That's how my car has been personalized for me. Would you trash talk me for that? If not, then why would you do that just for why I posted this topic about wanting WINDOWS 8 on the HTC EVO VIEW TABLET?
heres the answer: no.
widows 8 isn't even out. This post is ridiculous.
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I'm 100% serious at what I posted.
I want the HTC EVO VIEW TABLET with WINDOWS 8 Installed on it. I don't want to have it on it any other way like with OnLive.
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Unfortunately like everyone else stated you are kinda out of luck with that on the View. However, it does sound like you are the perfect candidate for some of the new tablets coming out that run both Android and Windows. Granted they may not be the build quality of the View but maybe HTC will build one if they get popular enough. Save your money.
I already have in my budget for Both a Brand New High End Windows 8 Phone as well for Any High End Windows 8 Tablet when they are released. Also if I am Very Happy with them, to buy 2 of each. Phone & Tablet for both My Wife & Myself. That's over $2,000 in my Budget, just for the devices alone. That's not counting for any & all accessories for each device.
then why on earth do you want the view, a year old technology, to run it when you claim to have such a budget for high end?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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Cliffs notes for this thread:
I'm an arrogant rich prick who refuses to learn how software development works.
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If there's a will there's a way. Remember we have android running on iPhones and windows mobile phones.
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windows is closed source. the only way we got ANDROID on an iphone was because ANDROID is open source. will never happen. end of discussion.
Today I have read an article that all currently running WP7 Smartphones will NOT receive an Update to WP8.
Instead they will get an Update to WP 7.8.
I am sooooo happy that we have finally running HSPL for our devices, so our talented devs will hopefully be able to make coustom roms WITH WP8 !!
Lets hope the best
The article is in german, if you understand that language check it out
http://www.chip.de/news/Windows-Phone-8-Das-kann-das-neue-Microsoft-OS_56171609.html
I don't think DFT or others can do something about this :
The main reason WP8 isn't going to current devices is that most of the new kernel will be built for multi core processors ...
I don't think this is something you or me or DFT could change ...
Of course I want to be wrong xD
Btw I am pretty satisfied with the 7.8 solution.
A nice WP7.8 custom ROM would be enough for me if we'll still be able to be part of the system.
The important question is about what features will be included in the 7.8 update other than the GUI change.
Yeah, we're screwed. I'm selling my Titan while I still can, nobody would want one a few months from now.
I will probably buy a freakin' iPhone because it holds its price pretty well and stick with it until WP8 phones become available. That is if I won't become an Apple guy in the mean time...
The question still remains.... Is 7.8 going to be the last update, and how long will it take devs stop making things and switch to native code???
Why develop apps for a old system? I know wp7x apps will run on w8, but w8 will have all new open api.
i heard so many times that there would never be a way to get wp7 on my hd2....... perhaps history will repeat itself
I can deal with the 7.8 solution. I just think its a bit awkward that they would market the hell out of the Lumia 900 (and rightfully so) knowing that a few months later they are going to announce that it is not upgradeable to 8. However, Microsoft had to do what they had to do and seeing the big picture, I think it is going to be even more phenomenal. What concerns me is that I wonder if HTC is going to even bother upgrading the Titan (which I currently own) and Titan II seeing that they really have no enthusiasm for the platform. And what surprises me is that they are on board with the initial fleet of WP8 phones. I think I may switch over to Nokia next time around. You can tell how wonderfully they treat their customers and they continuously get new stuff. We shall see.
Flytetymex said:
What concerns me is that I wonder if HTC is going to even bother upgrading the Titan (which I currently own) and Titan II seeing that they really have no enthusiasm for the platform. ... I think I may switch over to Nokia next time around.
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I think the 7.8 update (if that's what you mean) is coming directly from MS so all current 7.5 handsets will be able to get it.
I'm almost 100% sure my WP8 will be from Nokia. I may even get a Lumia now, just because they look so cool & the apps are top notch. (hopefully prices on ebay will plummet after this announcement) Right now I've got a Titan II.
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Yeah, we're screwed. I'm selling my Titan while I still can, nobody would want one a few months from now.
I will probably buy a freakin' iPhone because it holds its price pretty well and stick with it until WP8 phones become available. That is if I won't become an Apple guy in the mean time...
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The question still remains.... Is 7.8 going to be the last update, and how long will it take devs stop making things and switch to native code???
Why develop apps for a old system? I know wp7x apps will run on w8, but w8 will have all new open api.
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Guys don't talk like those trolls are WPCentral. We are on XDA-DEVELOPERS.
As an developer I would want to target mass market. When WP8 launches, even if with excellent traction what will be one's target market? 4 million? 5 million? in first 6 months?
WP7.x has 10 million+ strong.
WP7.x apps WILL run on WP8.
So I will be making apps for 15million target audience i.e. make an app for WP7.x and serve and earn more.
Only certain games that need multi-cores might be native coded but then we don't have that hardware, so MSFT hasn't screwed us.
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Guys don't talk like those trolls are WPCentral. We are on XDA-DEVELOPERS.
As an developer I would want to target mass market. When WP8 launches, even if with excellent traction what will be one's target market? 4 million? 5 million? in first 6 months?
WP7.x has 10 million+ strong.
WP7.x apps WILL run on WP8.
So I will be making apps for 15million target audience i.e. make an app for WP7.x and serve and earn more.
Only certain games that need multi-cores might be native coded but then we don't have that hardware, so MSFT hasn't screwed us.
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I agree with what you say and I'm sorry to act like a troll but I'm angry because:
- WP7 lacks some important functionality which I hoped to get with the WP8 upgrade (VOIP integration, location background tasks, universal search, HTML5/CSS3 compatible browser, etc.)
- I wanted to keep my Titan for at least 1 year and now I have to sell it (while it still holds some value)
- if I knew the Titan would not get the update I wouldn't have bought it (I was naive, so my fault here)
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I agree with what you say and I'm sorry to act like a troll but I'm angry because:
- WP7 lacks some important functionality which I hoped to get with the WP8 upgrade (VOIP integration, location background tasks, universal search, HTML5/CSS3 compatible browser, etc.)
- I wanted to keep my Titan for at least 1 year and now I have to sell it (while it still holds some value)
- if I knew the Titan would not get the update I wouldn't have bought it (I was naive, so my fault here)
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Since you are on XDA I am presuming you know that the dev community will probably port in custom ROMs with WP7.8 before even officials are rolled out! Yesterday's "dev summit" means nothing to the end user. No end user features are released officially. We've gotta wait for the customer focused annoucements. Surely WP7.8 won't be a start screen only update. It will plug in most of the non-hardware dependant gaps.
And - if MSFT doesnt, XDA will.
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Since you are on XDA I am presuming you know that the dev community will probably port in custom ROMs with WP7.8 before even officials are rolled out! Yesterday's "dev summit" means nothing to the end user. No end user features are released officially. We've gotta wait for the customer focused annoucements. Surely WP7.8 won't be a start screen only update. It will plug in most of the non-hardware dependant gaps.
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I'm aware, of course
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And - if MSFT doesnt, XDA will.
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Yes, but to what extent? Supposing that current devices were used for WP8 testing, there is hope for test build leaks. If not, the kernel/driver related gaps will almost certainly never be filled. Very difficult challenge to overcome and few developers will be interested to do it - especially true for the Titan which is far from being a popular device...
The way I am looking at this scenario is that any device was to be supported for 2 years.
I got my Titan Nov 2011 (launch was Oct 2011?)
So ideally, MSFT should support my titan till April 2013. The so called WP7.8 will add features, may be not high tech, most advanced features, but surely those that will make my Nov 2011 Titan much better than what I purchased. This WP7.8 won't actually hit our phones till Nov-Dec 2012, if that's when WP8 phones are to be in the wild.
Surely that refresh can last my phone for next 6 months. MSFT has repeatedly said they will be giving 2 major updates. Only the Lumia 900 and HTC Titan2 owners will see just one WP7.8, but all of us have seen Mango and now WP7.8
And what says, that we won't have a Tango-like minor update after WP7.8?
The fact that 7.5 is being pushed to 7.8 and not 8.0 shows that its two iterations lower than 8.0 (one being kernel change, second being ?) and THREE iterations better than 7.5. Surely a new start screen isn't worth making it 7.8. It could easily have been 7.6 unless ofcourse MSFT devs like fooling us with numbers (I don't doubt it! )
Also, MSFT will support us with apps for that period too. Devs won't make apps for an OS with zero user base. They will want it to start off with 10 million of us first. At least till June-July 2013, I don't see lots of WP8 exclusive apps that are not hardware dependant. Ofcourse there will be a huge influx of apps come this Christmas that will be exclusive to WP8 to show off its hardware capapbilities.
All in all, it is an excellent thing if you want WP to succeed and want to benefit from the whole "ecosystem" experience unmatched by any other OS! I am loving my phone and won't buy a WP8 till next summer. I am in love with my Titan and the custom ROMs have just started... possibilites are endless. We might be looking at a new HTC HD2
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Here found this:
http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/06/20/new-nokia-apps-zynga-games-to-make-your-lumia-even-better/
Part that is of our interest -
"Elsewhere, you may have read about the new Windows Phone 8. How does this affect your Lumia? Well, you are not being left out. All Lumia smartphones will be getting an update to give you some of the features of Windows Phone 8, including the new Start screen, as well as a pattern of ongoing updates going forward."
When the summit was summarised, it was told that we will get continuing support from OEMs. I am inclined to believe that OEMs will dish out a range of updates for another 12-15 months or so for WP7 to bring it as close as possible to WP8. When WP8.5 is released, WP7 will truely be dead, which is OK.
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Also, MSFT will support us with apps for that period too. Devs won't make apps for an OS with zero user base. They will want it to start off with 10 million of us first. At least till June-July 2013, I don't see lots of WP8 exclusive apps that are not hardware dependant. Ofcourse there will be a huge influx of apps come this Christmas that will be exclusive to WP8 to show off its hardware capapbilities
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it's really clear to me with my ics xoom tablet that gingerbread has not been abandoned. there are still few apps in the google play store that only work on ics or honeycomb. i'm pretty sure the same will apply for wp7.5/8 - as has been said before. why limit yourself to the people with one system when most apps will work on both. the only time this will change is if wp8 is a massive runaway success, which i'd be equally happy about
As far as markets go, being able to use native code means an easy port of games and apps to and from Android and iOS. If you could serve 3 markets with your app or just 1, which would you choose? WP8 means the end of apps for WP7 devices.
Microsoft could have chosen to port the kernel to our devices. People are like "well, the kernel needs multicore". Bull****. Windows 8 will run on a Pentium 4. You telling me they can get their desktop OS to run on 6-8 year old hardware but mobile can't run on less than a year old? The kernel doesn't matter any goddamn way. They could choose to port native support to our device. Apple did it with 68k to PPC and PPC to Intel, and with considerably less money and human resources. Embedded NT already runs on WP7 chipsets.
Microsoft is telling too many partners too many different things. First they say they are changing the OS to run on lower spec hardware, now they are saying the higher-end hardware can't run the next OS.
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As far as markets go, being able to use native code means an easy port of games and apps to and from Android and iOS. If you could serve 3 markets with your app or just 1, which would you choose? WP8 means the end of apps for WP7 devices.
Microsoft could have chosen to port the kernel to our devices. People are like "well, the kernel needs multicore". Bull****. Windows 8 will run on a Pentium 4. You telling me they can get their desktop OS to run on 6-8 year old hardware but mobile can't run on less than a year old? The kernel doesn't matter any goddamn way. They could choose to port native support to our device. Apple did it with 68k to PPC and PPC to Intel, and with considerably less money and human resources. Embedded NT already runs on WP7 chipsets.
Microsoft is telling too many partners too many different things. First they say they are changing the OS to run on lower spec hardware, now they are saying the higher-end hardware can't run the next OS.
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I don't think it is about hardware at all and MSFT never suggested so either. What they've said is the whole WP8 which can be scaled up and down is a big task and effort. From update point of view, packaging this whole new kernel update via Zune to us also means, that the noob on the other hand (not you and me) needs to know what to do. To wipe devices, to get the new drivers on, the new ROM and radio - not a normal update. I think MSFT could have spent a few months trying and testing things so that current gen phones can get this new kernel with "super update". But frankly, only a few thousand of us out of the suspected 12 million are tech-savvy for such an update. The bricks, the admin to support bricks would be an endless affair.
Also, OEMs. Convincing them to make new drivers to update current hardware would mean they can't sell more phones. OEMs want to sell phones. They want money, they will never choose update v/s new hardware. OEMs would also have to have support channels open for such bricks etc - again not good enough reason to put that effort on negligible number of users of this platform.
Above all, what I think the real, REAL reason is: Hardware. Current hardware although not outdate by any means isn't good enough to "exploit" WP8 kernel that powers a PC. The choice was:
Should we have a PC software run by mediocre hardware or should we launch it with awesome hardware that will exploit the new kernel? From business point of view, new hardware, new software = more attention grabbing.
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Then by your logic, Microsoft should never release anything but bug fixes. In fact, the opposite is happening. Microsoft is planning on bypassing vendors and carriers starting with Windows 8. As far as hardware goes, no ATT rep is going to push Windows Phone now, and it is already well-known that has been a problem as it is.
In fact, it would behoove vendors if Microsoft supported current generation phones because they could work on streamlining current production instead of spending the money on new designs. Do you think the most valuable company in the world (Apple) doesn't understand this? The 3GS will run iOS 6! Other smartphone platforms are basically saying if you want your hardware supported the life if your contract, you need to buy an iPhone...
Also, just an FYI, windows phones are all the same. They all use 100% identical chipsets and have almost no custom hardware. The only difference they have is in the camera and those are high-level drivers. Microsoft was notoriously strict with their hardware spec. Hardware partners did not write any drivers, the same way PC vendors do not write any drivers. It is all a partnership between MS and chipset manufacturers.
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I recieved an e.mail from Microsoft stating my titan will be able to recieve the window 8 update. What's that about?.
fallenmonk said:
I recieved an e.mail from Microsoft stating my titan will be able to recieve the window 8 update. What's that about?.
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According to the site where I got that info, all currently devices which run WP7 wont get the update, so we should wait and see...