Ok so I have been reading the forums for the past couple of weeks and have seen al of the bugs with gps(that i could care less about)and then I came across a wifi and Bluetooth bug. Where wifi drops to unusable levels when Bluetooth is in use. So my real question is is this a hardware or software problem and will it be usable to play online with a Bluetooth controller.
Thanks for your help.
cbyankees3 said:
Ok so I have been reading the forums for the past couple of weeks and have seen al of the bugs with gps(that i could care less about)and then I came across a wifi and Bluetooth bug. Where wifi drops to unusable levels when Bluetooth is in use. So my real question is is this a hardware or software problem and will it be usable to play online with a Bluetooth controller.
Thanks for your help.
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more so software issue. once Asus is really aware they can always change values or output strength of BT to where not interfering. there are people who using controller for onlive online play n have no issue. check out the game controllers thread in accessories section.
Its both a software and hardware issue, mostly coming from the wonderful metal casing...
If your looking to stream onlive and use a bluetooth controller, you will likely get a degraded stream of said game. But it should still work, just perhaps not as good quality (picture wise because of the wifi signal getting jumbled and the bluetooth controller may not be as responsive).
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1423180
In light of all the recent wifi issues with the Asus Transformer Prime. I got thinking.. Would it be possible for the prime to theoretically use a USB wifi dongle as the receiver through the keyboard dock?
Obviously android since gingerbread has had USB hosting and the ability to use mice, keyboards, game controllers and other devices, but how about a USB wireless networking adapter?
Thoughts?
Interesting thought and I have no idea... For average use wifi suffices but might be a nice option when going to a place where wifi is crap (like vacation house or something).
Iwas thinking the samething. The question is would there be driver issues with the USB device?
Not quite yet
If you are simply talking about a Wireless N Wifi dongle, there would be little gain, While not the best, a properly functioning Prime gets reasonable WiFi performance. Witness mine, which I regularly see 15-20 Mbit downloads speeds, so not great, but certainly acceptable.
If insetad you want a 3G wireless stick, at the present this is not an option. Honeycomb and even ICS do not provide support for these natively, though a rooted device I believe can be made to work with 1 or 2 3G sticks. When talking 3G, the best move is just root your phone and tether to that, but watch to 300 Mb game downloads folks. AT&T will make your head spin with the $ if you go over the measly 2 Gb plan (I was grandfathered in on an "Unlimited' data plan, and lost it... no biggie, they still bust you if you repeatedly use high bandwidth.
Good evening
I was wondering if there is any other thoughts on using a USB WiFi dongle with the prime. The reason I ask is that I note several retailers are starting to get stock in the UK and I am on the verge of purchasing.
The only issue I have is the WiFi range issue as I work on an offshore oil rig which has a WiFi network and I can currently use this within my cabin on a night with my net book to surf the net. However as there are a fair few partitions and a good distance etc between the WiFi router and the cabins, I don't think the Primes WiFi range would be sufficient (based on others posting issues when they are trying to pass through a few walls).
If a USB WiFi dongle could be made to work i would buy a prime tomorrow, otherwise I think I am going to stick with the net book for a while longer and wait for another model / manufacturer with Tegra 3 (I really don't want to follow the crowd and get an Apple!)
Many thanks!
Chris
Should knlw what that could be a good idea. THERES a guy in developement thread named Saturnde. He has made a thread called new or added drivers or something. He compiled a list of new drivers into a zip file for support of new USB devices that aren't normally supported by prime. He said if you want drivers for a particular device tl let him know. He will need name of device n model number or something. Won't hurt to run it past him and see if its feasible or possible. Let us know how it goes.
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If you are simply talking about a Wireless N Wifi dongle, there would be little gain, While not the best, a properly functioning Prime gets reasonable WiFi performance. Witness mine, which I regularly see 15-20 Mbit downloads speeds, so not great, but certainly acceptable.
If insetad you want a 3G wireless stick, at the present this is not an option. Honeycomb and even ICS do not provide support for these natively, though a rooted device I believe can be made to work with 1 or 2 3G sticks. When talking 3G, the best move is just root your phone and tether to that, but watch to 300 Mb game downloads folks. AT&T will make your head spin with the $ if you go over the measly 2 Gb plan (I was grandfathered in on an "Unlimited' data plan, and lost it... no biggie, they still bust you if you repeatedly use high bandwidth.
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Can you syggest a wifi dongle that i can use in an android tablet (my tablet's wifi is "broken")
I am getting rather tired of the whiners in here that say things like "when you try using Bluetooth and wifi together you wont think the primes is that good" bla bla bla.. and so on.
Basically they try to whine, moan and also try to irritate everyone that posts to say they are happy with their prime.
Well this is for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Nfk2XvefYg
P.S. You will also notice that my WIFI is working great, also works with my BT headsets no problem.
EDIT: Update! New vid in post #6
I don't mean to imply that your WiFi with bluetooth active does not work but your test does not illustrate that it does.
I do have problems with WiFi with either my PS3 controller connected via bluetooth or while using my blackberry bold 9900 as a remote control via bluetooth and I have had this problem with two separate Primes. However, just like you, my tablet shows a full WiFi signal and even using the signal strength analyzer it also shows a very strong signal (-45 db - no different than with BT off). However, the problem manifests itself it you either: a) try to navigate to a website or b) run internet speed test. The result, virtually useless WiFi - speed tests for me register .1 mbps versus 6.0 mbps with BT off.
I am able to replicate this problem whether I'm directly connected to my router or whether I use my phone as a hotspot. The oddity I see is that if my Prime connects to an AP rather than my router the WiFi signal is only minimally affected.
In any case, I just thought I would weigh in to illustrate that there are those of us who actually do have an issue. If your unit works I'm happy that it does.
Overall, I love the TF201, I only have two gripes - the WiFi/BT issue, and an issue that is not necessarily related to the TF201 - Android fragmentation! I'm tired of getting the short end of the stick on Apps that seem to be available for other Tablets such as those from Acer and Motorolla. While things have been improving lately I'm quite annoyed at missing out on the latest games from Gameloft for example.
EVCT said:
I don't mean to imply that your WiFi with bluetooth active does not work but your test does not illustrate that it does.
I do have problems with WiFi with either my PS3 controller connected via bluetooth or while using my blackberry bold 9900 as a remote control via bluetooth and I have had this problem with two separate Primes. However, just like you, my tablet shows a full WiFi signal and even using the signal strength analyzer it also shows a very strong signal (-45 db - no different than with BT off). However, the problem manifests itself it you either: a) try to navigate to a website or b) run internet speed test. The result, virtually useless WiFi - speed tests for me register .1 mbps versus 6.0 mbps with BT off.
I am able to replicate this problem whether I'm directly connected to my router or whether I use my phone as a hotspot. The oddity I see is that if my Prime connects to an AP rather than my router the WiFi signal is only minimally affected.
In any case, I just thought I would weigh in to illustrate that there are those of us who actually do have an issue. If your unit works I'm happy that it does.
Overall, I love the TF201, I only have two gripes - the WiFi/BT issue, and an issue that is not necessarily related to the TF201 - Android fragmentation! I'm tired of getting the short end of the stick on Apps that seem to be available for other Tablets such as those from Acer and Motorolla. While things have been improving lately I'm quite annoyed at missing out on the latest games from Gameloft for example.
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actually we playing all the latest gameloft games as on other tabs. you just have to search look n themes and apps section and you will see.
Well, I use my Bluetooth mouse to navigate websites watch YouTube and so on with no drop in speed or disconnection problems. I could make a longer more detailed video, but I am guessing the neigh sayers will deny that too.
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Well, I use my Bluetooth mouse to navigate websites watch YouTube and so on with no drop in speed or disconnection problems. I could make a longer more detailed video, but I am guessing the neigh sayers will deny that too.
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Good vid. Yes, I have no problem with using a bluetooth device. (etc. mouse or keyboard.) However. The BT issue I have and many others who b*tch about it. Is using a pair of BT headphones and trying to stream WIFI movies over Diceplayer or other media players. Audio sync over BT gets all out of wack over the vids being streamed via WIFI. BT fallout that Gary talks about. I still have the problem with my modded prime. All external antenna. However, other people are claiming they dont have this issue. Especially with newer serials. This is a key feature for me. Gary claimed it was some sort of hardware specific problem. That you would have to RMA your unit to get it fixed. I havent found a way to mod and get it to work. So I am not sure what is going on here. (Hardware wise on my old prime).
Ok, I made another vid to show bandwidth differences.
Note: I have "clear cache" set every time I close Dolphin browser down. So What you see is real time loading of a page.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G79PyIGnPew
I also use a BT headset at night when watching YT and surfing, so I don't disturb the missus. Still no problems there. I use SE headsets myself, never had issues with them.
mtechfan said:
I am getting rather tired of the whiners in here that say things like "when you try using Bluetooth and wifi together you wont think the primes is that good" bla bla bla.. and so on.
Basically they try to whine, moan and also try to irritate everyone that posts to say they are happy with their prime.
Well this is for you.
P.S. You will also notice that my WIFI is working great, also works with my BT headsets no problem.
EDIT: Update! New vid in post #6
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Yes, now that I watch your video, my internet speeds are blindingly fast when I use my PS3 controller via bluetooth.. I can't believe all I had to do was watch a video saying that I don't have a problem..!
What took you so long to make this great video? You should make one of you eating, that way all the starving kids in Africa will have plenty of food!!
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Yes, now that I watch your video, my internet speeds are blindingly fast when I use my PS3 controller via bluetooth.. I can't believe all I had to do was watch a video saying that I don't have a problem..!
What took you so long to make this great video? You should make one of you eating, that way all the starving kids in Africa will have plenty of food!!
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Thanks for demonstrating the exact douchebaggery I was referring too.
Give yourself a sonic pat on the back why don't you.
mtechfan said:
I am getting rather tired of the whiners in here that say things like "when you try using Bluetooth and wifi together you wont think the primes is that good" bla bla bla.. and so on.
Basically they try to whine, moan and also try to irritate everyone that posts to say they are happy with their prime.
Well this is for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Nfk2XvefYg
P.S. You will also notice that my WIFI is working great, also works with my BT headsets no problem.
EDIT: Update! New vid in post #6
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Dude, you on drugs? If you want to perform a REAL test you need to do this.
1. Perform a speed test using speedtest.net app from the market. Run it about 5 times and just take the average download speed.
2. Pair a set of bluetooth headphones to your prime. Make the connection.
3. Queue up some of those MP3 files and start playing them.
4. Perform the speed tests all over again 5 times and take the average again of your download speeds.
I bet there will be a drastic speed change from step 1 and step 4. If I had something to record with I would make a video myself. So please, if you are going to test something at least test it correctly.
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Thanks for demonstrating the exact douchebaggery I was referring too.
Give yourself a sonic pat on the back why don't you.
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You're welcome, I think it was well deserved.
You called everyone who has this issue a whiner, and then came to the massively illogical conclusion that since you don't experience a problem with your prime, everyone else in the world who has this problem must be making it up.
I don't have WiFi drop out issues like a lot of people. If I make a video showing a WiFi connection staying on for 5 hours, does that mean everyone else is making up that problem up?
Come on man, use your brain.
In my case when I tether with my phone I don't have a bt wifi issue however when I'm connected to my home router is when i get it and my speed drops drastically and I can't stream or play games online.
Video I made a month ago at home
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mtechfan said:
Ok, I made another vid to show bandwidth differences.
Note: I have "clear cache" set every time I close Dolphin browser down. So What you see is real time loading of a page.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G79PyIGnPew
I also use a BT headset at night when watching YT and surfing, so I don't disturb the missus. Still no problems there. I use SE headsets myself, never had issues with them.
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Your results are very encouraging. Perhaps Asus can actually fix my Prime! I don't suppose you have access to a PS3 controller do you? If so, please let us know if you get similar results with the PS3 controller connected via bluetooth.
BTW, could you possibly post what your serial # starts with?
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actually we playing all the latest gameloft games as on other tabs. you just have to search look n themes and apps section and you will see.
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I have seen a number of individuals noting they are playing these games. I unfortunately don't have any other android devices. Do you have any suggestion for how I can download MC3?
By the way, is anyone successfully playing Real Racing 2 on the Prime?
EVCT said:
Your results are very encouraging. Perhaps Asus can actually fix my Prime! I don't suppose you have access to a PS3 controller do you? If so, please let us know if you get similar results with the PS3 controller connected via bluetooth.
BTW, could you possibly post what your serial # starts with?
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I have seen a number of individuals noting they are playing these games. I unfortunately don't have any other android devices. Do you have any suggestion for how I can download MC3?
By the way, is anyone successfully playing Real Racing 2 on the Prime?
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we have lots of people posting successfully using PS3 controller through BT on prime. even during online play.
as far as where to get those games, Google can help you out on that one that's all that can be said on that. there is also RR2 working on prime also. you just have to find the versions modded to work on the Transformer.
demandarin said:
we have lots of people posting successfully using PS3 controller through BT on prime. even during online play.
as far as where to get those games, Google can help you out on that one that's all that can be said on that. there is also RR2 working on prime also. you just have to find the versions modded to work on the Transformer.
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Thanks I'll look into how to get these games on the Prime - still I'd prefer to see better support on the official market.
As for the PS3 controller - I hope your right but some people I have seen claim success also have quite high speed connections so even after degradation it is sufficient to play games or stream something like Netflix. I only have a 7 mbps connection and with my PS3 controller connected it basically drops to .1 mbps or less making it essentially useless. Someone with a 35 mbps connections who still gets 5 mbps with a PS3 controller connected can likely still manage to stream Netflix (probably even HD) and play online.
Still, the OP's test in this thread is encouraging (albeit he's not using a PS3 controller).
mtechfan said:
I am getting rather tired of the whiners in here that say things like "when you try using Bluetooth and wifi together you wont think the primes is that good" bla bla bla.. and so on.
Basically they try to whine, moan and also try to irritate everyone that posts to say they are happy with their prime.
Well this is for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Nfk2XvefYg
P.S. You will also notice that my WIFI is working great, also works with my BT headsets no problem.
EDIT: Update! New vid in post #6
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Since there is no problem to whine about, I would invite you to trade my prime with yours. I'd like to have bluetooth audio that doesn't die when streaming a file from my own server over wireless, and yours looks like it fits the bill. Since everyone with this problem is whining over nothing, you should have nothing to complain about.
I'm not being entirely forthright...my prime's GPS doesn't work, either. Oh, and it doesn't have a serial number and doesn't receive OTA updates nor can it be unlocked. I'll tell you what, I'll RMA mine with your address on it, you just send me yours to tide me over during the wait. Nothing to complain about, right? I hear the serial number problem is fixed, and there's a fix right around the corner for the wifi/BT dropouts....Who knows? Maybe they'll just test it, declare it working and send you my Prime right away, without doing anything to it at all. That way, you can demonstrate your fortitude by not whining...I mean, at least 75% of the features printed on the box are working, and 75% is not bad...
Anecdotal tests are questionable.
Better tests would involve hard numbers.
To explain the below, 1st test is BT On with a wiimote paired, 2nd test is BT off for 5+ seconds (I had another test that was with BT just recently off, but that had messed up results)
Router 1m away.
Code:
bin/iperf.exe -s -P 0 -i 1 -p 5001 -f k
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Server listening on TCP port 5001
TCP window size: 8.00 KByte (default)
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OpenSCManager failed – Access is denied. (0x5)
[272] local 192.168.1.xxx port 5001 connected with 192.168.1.xxx port 49368
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[272] 0.0- 1.0 sec 932 KBytes 7634 Kbits/sec
[272] 1.0- 2.0 sec 646 KBytes 5294 Kbits/sec
[272] 2.0- 3.0 sec 663 KBytes 5433 Kbits/sec
[272] 3.0- 4.0 sec 650 KBytes 5329 Kbits/sec
[272] 4.0- 5.0 sec 789 KBytes 6464 Kbits/sec
[272] 5.0- 6.0 sec 860 KBytes 7043 Kbits/sec
[272] 6.0- 7.0 sec 904 KBytes 7402 Kbits/sec
[272] 7.0- 8.0 sec 728 KBytes 5966 Kbits/sec
[272] 8.0- 9.0 sec 682 KBytes 5583 Kbits/sec
[272] 9.0-10.0 sec 666 KBytes 5456 Kbits/sec
[272] 0.0-10.5 sec 7936 KBytes 6216 Kbits/sec
[284] local 192.168.1.xxx port 5001 connected with 192.168.1.xxx port 49370
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[284] 0.0- 1.0 sec 2171 KBytes 17781 Kbits/sec
[284] 1.0- 2.0 sec 2468 KBytes 20214 Kbits/sec
[284] 2.0- 3.0 sec 2485 KBytes 20353 Kbits/sec
[284] 3.0- 4.0 sec 2494 KBytes 20434 Kbits/sec
[284] 4.0- 5.0 sec 2424 KBytes 19855 Kbits/sec
[284] 5.0- 6.0 sec 2554 KBytes 20921 Kbits/sec
[284] 6.0- 7.0 sec 2370 KBytes 19415 Kbits/sec
[284] 7.0- 8.0 sec 2207 KBytes 18083 Kbits/sec
[284] 8.0- 9.0 sec 2288 KBytes 18743 Kbits/sec
[284] 9.0-10.0 sec 2475 KBytes 20272 Kbits/sec
[284] 0.0-10.2 sec 24320 KBytes 19581 Kbits/sec
But hey, the O.P says I'm whinging, so stuff benchmarks, he must be right. (Sarcasm for those who didn't notice)
OP, congratulations on having a good Prime.
Your post just shows your ignorance. My prime no8 (yes, no8) has decent WiFi and bt too, but no7 had unusable WiFi when paired with bt device.
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Same place, same time, same bt device paired. Two primes next to each other.
But yeah, since your one works fine it means that problem doesn't exist.
Ignorance is a bliss.........
Sent through the wormhole from my CoinInserted Sensation OG.
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Thanks for demonstrating the exact douchebaggery I was referring too.
Give yourself a sonic pat on the back why don't you.
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As was stated before, your test shows pretty much nothing. You have to actually be using the bluetooth for data transfer or streaming (audio) for it to affect the wifi. make a video of you transferring a 100 mb file via bt to your prime, and speedtest at the same time and get back to us.
You can say we are whiners but 1) your test doesn't even meet criteria for the problem, and 2) even if yours works it doesn't mean ours doesn't. If I didn't send my prime in 4 days ago to fix this very issue, I would have made a video myself showing how it does get affected just to make you go back into the hole you crawled out of. Good day sir....I said good day sir!
Sorry no PS3 controller to test with. C2OK********* serial
Audio streaming over Bluetooth while using wifi works fine for me, I use the DI.FM app all the time. Again, no problem.
My problem is all the douches on here trying to bash on peoples threads that are happy with their Prime's. You don't like your Prime? Then return it and call it a day.
P.S. Why the hell would you transfer files over BT when you can use wifi and Samba to do it a heck of a lot faster?
EVCT said:
Your results are very encouraging. Perhaps Asus can actually fix my Prime! I don't suppose you have access to a PS3 controller do you? If so, please let us know if you get similar results with the PS3 controller connected via bluetooth.
BTW, could you possibly post what your serial # starts with?
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I have seen a number of individuals noting they are playing these games. I unfortunately don't have any other android devices. Do you have any suggestion for how I can download MC3?
By the way, is anyone successfully playing Real Racing 2 on the Prime?
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actually data transfer through BT and wifi on and streaming works just fine. I use BT to transfer movies and pix From my atrix phone to the prime. my wifi is always on. I saw no drop in speeds on speedtest. I could still surf the web or watch a movie streaming while BT file transfer going on. I never had or even use BT headphones.
to the op, there are some primes that have the issue but also alot that don't. No matter how mAny videos you make, they will always convince themselves that everyone must suffer the same problem. they do this to make themselves feel better and blind to the proof you show them. not everyone prime is faulty. For some reason they can't seem to believe that although I've been acknowledged there are some faulty units. they are some devices with issues but even more that don't.
anyways, this is like beating a dead horse, op. might as well drop it and don't waste time trying to convince them. it'll only lead to them crossing the line and thread being closed for misconduct and people not knowing how to debate without name calling and such.
Hello people, I'm glad to join this forum!
I caught my Thor right in time before the latest update and successfully towelrooted. Many thanks to the local geniuses!
Everything works peachy after the root, google play, etc.
The only issue I encountered after rooting is that a couple of apps stopped working - Yandex Disk and Apps&Game (for 4pda forums). Deleting cache didn't help, had to remove both. I haven't tried to reinstall the yet.
And as for the title issue. If I use the bluetooth headset with hdx it works great, until the screen times out or turned off. Then the audio starts skipping randomly, through any app.
Also I tried using a BT mouse with the device, but it's pretty much useless for browsing - it starts to interfere with wifi, pages won't load, or load very slowly.
Just thought to ask if it's just my device or such BT issues are "normal" for HDX.
Thanks!
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Bluetooth skipping
"And as for the title issue. If I use the bluetooth headset with hdx it works great, until the screen times out or turned off. Then the audio starts skipping randomly, through any app."
I have had the same issue too. Both on stock rom and Cpasjuste/ggow's rom on Apollo. So no, this isn't just you.
I have tons of tablets and on each one certain Bluetooth devices will slow or even outright break wifi. It's the most annoying thing. At any rate the only solution I know of is to have 2 routers, one a 2.4 ghz b, g, n for the whole house to use and one 5 ghz router placed near where you primarily use your devices while on bluetooth. Bluetooth devices interfere with wifi on 2.4 ghz and 20/40 mhz frequencies so a 5 ghz router will still run your device and Bluetooth will work well. Yea it blows. One thing that REALLY makes this worse in tablets and laptops is when the manufacturer puts the radios on the same chip, or even real close together. Totally blows up the functionality of the device, and it happens way you more than it should. Cheap manufacturers make mistakes.