Specifically I wonder from a development standpoint do you expect to see modifications and features within roms that cater specifically to those with the extended 2GB memory models?
It seems one would be able to change the memory management values of ICS and allow the OS to use much more memory, shutting down background processes less often, etc.....thus providing more performance.
It seems to me that having that much memory should inspire some never before seen development.
It will change nothing. Even 1gb is enough.
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It will change nothing. Even 1gb is enough.
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really? enough to function but perhaps with 2GB of ram your operating system won't have to shut down background processes as often resulting in a more responsive experience? custom roms and apps could easily be written to use that extra memory. and you think that will have zero effect?
interesting
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really? enough to function but perhaps with 2GB of ram your operating system won't have to shut down background processes as often resulting in a more responsive experience? custom roms and apps could easily be written to use that extra memory. and you think that will have zero effect?
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I think people like you would have never felt the necessity of a 2gb if phone companies like sammy didnt introduce that concept. And the very fact that you know nothing about how it can benefit deving, proves it. I personally always have 250mb ram free and I cant imagine how to use it all. Higher ram will have an impact yes on apps, will give them the chance to be even crappier since they wont have to worry how much ram the app will use because your device will have 2gb anyways which is a lot. Take the exanple of facebook apk; now it takes 100mb. Every time u update it thr crappier it gets from ram usage point of view. And in mh opinion the higher the ram in our devices, the crappier the apks will be.
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I think people like you would have never felt the necessity of a 2gb if phone companies like sammy didnt introduce that concept. And the very fact that you know nothing about how it can benefit deving, proves it. I personally always have 250mb ram free and I cant imagine how to use it all. Higher ram will have an impact yes on apps, will give them the chance to be even crappier since they wont have to worry how much ram the app will use because your device will have 2gb anyways which is a lot. Take the exanple of facebook apk; now it takes 100mb. Every time u update it thr crappier it gets from ram usage point of view. And in mh opinion the higher the ram in our devices, the crappier the apks will be.
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I think people like you would have never felt the necessity of a 2gb if phone companies like sammy didnt introduce that concept. And the very fact that you know nothing about how it can benefit deving, proves it. I personally always have 250mb ram free and I cant imagine how to use it all. Higher ram will have an impact yes on apps, will give them the chance to be even crappier since they wont have to worry how much ram the app will use because your device will have 2gb anyways which is a lot. Take the exanple of facebook apk; now it takes 100mb. Every time u update it thr crappier it gets from ram usage point of view. And in mh opinion the higher the ram in our devices, the crappier the apks will be.
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well i guess its a good thing I don't install crapware or use facebook?
Your point about it allowing poorly written code to continue to be junk can equally be expressed as saying it will allow custom roms and well-coded apps to utilize more memory and in turn perform better.
It could also have some applications when considering running alternative operating systems like linux. Certainly a completely different operating environment would be able to benefit from more memory.
I think this device sets a precedent and will influence devices to come. I don't understand your comment about " very fact that you know nothing about how it can benefit deving, proves it"? I never claimed to know anything about "deving".
I would say we will sooner see people wanting to move to 2GB of memory than we will see people complaining that they have 2GB of memory and really want to downgrade. Progress....you're right, had Samsung never added it, we wouldn't know but I have a feeling we will soon.
Man... this is the 3rd time I'm posting abotu this to you, but this time I will show you screen shots of my HOX and another users HOX.
The S4 was given 2gigs of ram because the Adreno and 4G LTE Radio requires quite a bit of ram to function properly. They take up about 400 mbs, so Sammy didn't want to only leave 600mb of ram to system cache and Touchwiz or whatever UI launcher you choose to use.
THis is a mistake that HTC made, and that's why the HOX and EVO 4G LTE suffers from multitasking issues.
Attached below, Tegra 3 has dedicated video ram, Adreno does not.
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Man... this is the 3rd time I'm posting abotu this to you, but this time I will show you screen shots of my HOX and another users HOX.
The S4 was given 2gigs of ram because the Adreno and 4G LTE Radio requires quite a bit of ram to function properly. They take up about 400 mbs, so Sammy didn't want to only leave 600mb of ram to system cache and Touchwiz or whatever UI launcher you choose to use.
THis is a mistake that HTC made, and that's why the HOX and EVO 4G LTE suffers from multitasking issues.
Attached below, Tegra 3 has dedicated video ram, Adreno does not.
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just FYI, you aren't obligated to post the same thing over and over, but thanks for "enlightening me"
Totòòò said:
I think people like you would have never felt the necessity of a 2gb if phone companies like sammy didnt introduce that concept. And the very fact that you know nothing about how it can benefit deving, proves it. I personally always have 250mb ram free and I cant imagine how to use it all. Higher ram will have an impact yes on apps, will give them the chance to be even crappier since they wont have to worry how much ram the app will use because your device will have 2gb anyways which is a lot. Take the exanple of facebook apk; now it takes 100mb. Every time u update it thr crappier it gets from ram usage point of view. And in mh opinion the higher the ram in our devices, the crappier the apks will be.
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This has to be a joke. Are you kidding me? You really think adding more ram is a bad thing? Well, people like me did see the need for extra ram in this gen of phones. I wasn't going to buy the S3 until they released the specs with 2gb of ram. That sealed the deal for me. Just because the International version doesn't have the extra ram doesn't mean those that are getting the LTE variant are idiots.
The man asked a question, if you can offer no help then move on and don't post.
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The S4 was given 2gigs of ram because the Adreno and 4G LTE Radio requires quite a bit of ram to function properly. They take up about 400 mbs, so Sammy didn't want to only leave 600mb of ram to system cache and Touchwiz or whatever UI launcher you choose to use.
THis is a mistake that HTC made, and that's why the HOX and EVO 4G LTE suffers from multitasking issues.
Attached below, Tegra 3 has dedicated video ram, Adreno does not.
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This is exactly right. The constant reloading with the One X LTE variant is extremely annoying. Props to Samsung for doing the right thing. I am impressed.
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americasteam said:
This is exactly right. The constant reloading with the One X LTE variant is extremely annoying. Props to Samsung for doing the right thing. I am impressed.
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Honestly, we will have to wait and see. There are other reasons why Android kills apps. Don't forget how Android works, it fills up ram to work faster. Here's my analysis.
1. Facebook in the cache has about 20 mb of ram. I have 200 mb of ram free. I open facebook and it is 40mb of ram, but I have 180mb of ram free still. So not as much RAm is being taken up as we think.
2. A launcher is always running and RAM is always dedicated to it. Along with hat RAM, CPU usage as well.
3. Building off of 2, it can be quite possible that Android is programmed to suspend or close down apps to preserve CPU usage. So we can't blame it completely on the RAM just yet. In the case of the HOX we could because the HOX was running almost as much RAM as 512 mb ram android phones.
I bet RAM will help the US version be able to open up maybe 2 more apps than the international version, but Samsung will program it to still close the programs to down clock our CPUs to around 200 to 800 mhz so that our battery doesn't drain.
Imagine if you have to choose between battery or extreme multitasking? Imagine if you tried to do both, multitasking while running the CPUs at 800 mhz each! The phone would still lag regardless if you have 2gbs of RAM or not.
But what do I know? I'm just a Mechanical and Materials Engineer... Computer Science, Electrical and Computer engineering is way out of my league. It's just my hunches though, don't take them as facts.
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This has to be a joke. Are you kidding me? You really think adding more ram is a bad thing? Well, people like me did see the need for extra ram in this gen of phones. I wasn't going to buy the S3 until they released the specs with 2gb of ram. That sealed the deal for me. Just because the International version doesn't have the extra ram doesn't mean those that are getting the LTE variant are idiots.
The man asked a question, if you can offer no help then move on and don't post.
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Nobody called him an idiot. Why do you connect the 2gb ram with lte? Tmobile has no lte and is still getting 2gb ram. My whole point was that most users wont need 2gb ram. Still that doesnt mean 2gb ram is useless. It is a very good thing. Right now I have the intl version and I also have the att one x which has a s4 processor and lte and I dnt notice any speed differences so I guess there is more benefit having a 2gb ram rather than a quadcore processor.
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Look:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1145032
Xoom got 1GB of memory, but, 256MB for dalvik vm, 256MB for GPU, 512MB for apps)
So, now with 4 cores, 512MB for apps will be enough?
Or maybe ASUS will be more generous and will give us a full 1GB memory for apps, without dalvik ou GPU?
I don't own a asus transformer (old version), I don't know how tegra 3 will work too. So I really don't know.
Anyone have a clue about it?
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Look:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1145032
Xoom got 1GB of memory, but, 256MB for dalvik vm, 256MB for GPU, 512MB for apps)
So, now with 4 cores, 512MB for apps will be enough?
Or maybe ASUS will be more generous and will give us a full 1GB memory for apps, without dalvik ou GPU?
I don't own a asus transformer (old version), I don't know how tegra 3 will work too. So I really don't know.
Anyone have a clue about it?
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Interesting question, I heared that multitasking with 512 MB of RAM isn't very good because apps close very soon due the lack of memory.
When Windows 95 shipped, a typical PC had 8MB of RAM, and now this tablet has 125 times that much.
I'm guessing the nature of Android requires less RAM that a desktop OS:
http://davidquintana.com/entry/mobile-multitasking
I hope not!
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Ectoplasmic said:
When Windows 95 shipped, a typical PC had 8MB of RAM, and now this tablet has 125 times that much.
I'm guessing the nature of Android requires less RAM that a desktop OS:
http://davidquintana.com/entry/mobile-multitasking
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I know a tablet require less memory, they should at least...
But if we got more ram, more complex applications/games can be developed!
We have now some restriction about compress/uncompress files because of the amount of ram free/avaliable at the device.
Let's wait some one put their hands at the tablet and say to us
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Every Android device is like this: some RAM is used by the system, some RAM is used by the video frame buffer, and some RAM is used for applications. Every time a new device is released, this forum and others are filled with complaints like "I don't have 1GB RAM!!! ASUS screwed me!!!" The fact is that there IS 1GB of RAM, it's just being actually USED as it's supposed to be. And, if we had only 512MB of RAM, then far less would be available for running applications.
Furthermore, the number of cores has nothing to do with this--it's not like there's a linear relationship where more cores equals the ability to run more apps. Or, that we're somehow going to be crippled vs. a device with a dual-core processor. We'll be able to run the same number of apps as any other 1GB device, only more efficiently and quickly.
It would be nice to have 2GB, of course, but then the device would just be more expensive.
Plus honeycomb and Especially Ice Cream Sandwich do a great job of memory management. You could always root n use some app to freeze some apps/system processes you don't need or use to free up ram. I think using those free ram apps does more harm than good with later dated android OS versions. Of course more RAM would be ideal but 1GB is good enough for the prime. There is nothing or any type of apps or games out now for any tablet that truly demands more of that. People don't need that much multitasking going on to have a million things running in background. All that'll do is burn up the battery..lol
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Plus honeycomb and Especially Ice Cream Sandwich do a great job of memory management. You could always root n use some app to freeze some apps/system processes you don't need or use to free up ram. I think using those free ram apps does more harm than good with later dated android OS versions. Of course more RAM would be ideal but 1GB is good enough for the prime. There is nothing or any type of apps or games out now for any tablet that truly demands more of that. People don't need that much multitasking going on to have a million things running in background. All that'll do is burn up the battery..lol
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I think if will be the same number of memory modules, don't have any relationship with battery time.
Some websites eat so much ram and processing (bad developed sites), so, I think the navigation will be more smoother if we get more RAM.
Anyway, I'm thinking in buy one too, but, maybe I will wait for a version with 2GB.
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The RAM in this tablet is hell of a lot faster than the previous TF101. Along with the faster GPU, and CPU, this thing should multitask a lot better than previous dual-core tablets.
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I think if will be the same number of memory modules, don't have any relationship with battery time.
Some websites eat so much ram and processing (bad developed sites), so, I think the navigation will be more smoother if we get more RAM.
Anyway, I'm thinking in buy one too, but, maybe I will wait for a version with 2GB.
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You are right about websites. Web browsers n sites can eat up RAM fast as he'll. More tabs open, more ram eaten up. SH!?, my iPad only has 256MB RAM total and I make due with it..lol browser shuts down at times due to too much ram used or too many tabs open. Heavy duty games will eat it up also.
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The RAM in this tablet is hell of a lot faster than the previous TF101. Along with the faster GPU, and CPU, this thing should multitask a lot better than previous dual-core tablets.
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Yep, the Prime has a faster/more advanced memory module or something. Plus several vids showed it multitasking like crazy. Andyx, member here, even showed a vid with his prime loaded with widgets on all home screens and stuff running in background. It still moved fast n smoothly between pages in such. No slowdown at all.
I multitask on first Transformer and had an app restart in the middle of it maybe one time - when sth was clogging the system (a broken game or sth). Browsers can be a problem though, the more memory they have, the happier (faster) they are. Games use a lot of graphic memory, so the more of it, the better (256 for 2D games is more than enough, but for 3D games nothing is enough ).
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Plus honeycomb and Especially Ice Cream Sandwich do a great job of memory management. You could always root n use some app to freeze some apps/system processes you don't need or use to free up ram. I think using those free ram apps does more harm than good with later dated android OS versions. Of course more RAM would be ideal but 1GB is good enough for the prime. There is nothing or any type of apps or games out now for any tablet that truly demands more of that. People don't need that much multitasking going on to have a million things running in background. All that'll do is burn up the battery..lol
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1GB RAM was not enough for me on original Transformer.
On SGS2, I usually get around 500MB of free RAM and that feels sufficient for me.
But on Original TF, with 730ish visible/350ish free, together with more sophisticated apps, RAM easily runs out... The browser will be killed as soon as leaving it.
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1GB RAM was not enough for me on original Transformer.
On SGS2, I usually get around 500MB of free RAM and that feels sufficient for me.
But on Original TF, with 730ish visible/350ish free, together with more sophisticated apps, RAM easily runs out... The browser will be killed as soon as leaving it.
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Yeah phones can deal with ot better. Tblets different story. I guess I'm thinkn since iPad had only 256mb RAM, upgrading to new tablet with 1GB RAM would seem ideal..lol
demandarin said:
Yeah phones can deal with ot better. Tblets different story. I guess I'm thinkn since iPad had only 256mb RAM, upgrading to new tablet with 1GB RAM would seem ideal..lol
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iOS is not as memory thirsty as Android... Not sure about the mechanism behind but that's what happens. The newer tablets after TF201 will probably pack 2GB of RAM.
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iOS is not as memory thirsty as Android... Not sure about the mechanism behind but that's what happens. The newer tablets after TF201 will probably pack 2GB of RAM.
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I believe I heard Samsung and Lenovo new line of tablets coming out near future will pack 2GB of RAM. I wish at least the memory could be upgraded as easily in tablets as with PC. Imagine packing 6-8GB of RAM into Prime
dont forget, more ram means also more battery drain. Ram sucks quite alot.
Of course more is always better^^ But i think "only" 1gb wont be a bottleneck for the prime.
demandarin said:
I believe I heard Samsung and Lenovo new line of tablets coming out near future will pack 2GB of RAM. I wish at least the memory could be upgraded as easily in tablets as with PC. Imagine packing 6-8GB of RAM into Prime
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Yes you heard correct.I posted the link a few threads back.The Lenovo tablet itself will have 2gb of ddr3 ram.Which is a faster ram than the ddr2 ram in the Prime.But I also hear the Lenovo tablet will be a lot thicker (yuck lol).No telling how much ram Samsung will have to put in their 11.6 inch screen (2500x1600) ..that screen is going to be a battery/ram eater lol.
The Lenovo tab is making me doubt getting the Prime as if all the ICS tabs that were made for it feature 2GB RAM then it must mean ICS will benefit from it.
Granted its not as thin as the Prime and wont have a keyboard but prerformace will be better.
As far as the Samsung ICS tab..that will be EXPENSIVE because of the screen, I expect it to be around £599 as currently high res screens that size are in small yields.
I have a HTC Sensation which has "768 MB" of RAM, but a lot of it is used in normal use. I mean a LOT. I normally only have about 100 MB of free RAM. This is how essentially all Android devices are.
Yea, there are going to be some tablets coming out partway through 2012 with 2 GB of RAM, but quite frankly Lenovo products don't do anything for me because they're typically so ugly, and I'm not interested in a Samsung tablet if they put Touchwiz on it.
While I would like 2 GB of RAM, you have to consider that the TF Prime is IMO ushering the beginning of the 2nd generation of Android tablets. No company so far has put such an effort into an Android tablet. Look at the Motorola Droid XyBoard, Motorola's successor to the Xoom. It's absolutely pathetic compared to the TF Prime. Until the TF Prime, every tablet maker so far has been half-assing Android tablets, giving them basically the same specs as always. The TF Prime brings in the true beginning of 2nd gen specs, and it still comes in cheaper than the half-assed XyBoard. Considering that, I'm not surprised that Asus can't make absolutely every spec on the TF Prime amazing. They have to make money on it somehow lol.
I don't think a "super resolution" will be good for us.
Ok, Tegra 3 is X times faster than Tegra 2, but my Xoom got a 1280x800 screen.
Now, 2500x1600? holy ****! too many pixels to handle...
Lenovo? don't have a keyboard.
Samsung? don't like they software modifications...
A asus "prime 2" with 2gb and a faster ddr3? I will got one
Let's wait and see what the future has to offer.
The phone is released and we now know it has only 1GB of RAM.
Is this enough for someone that would like to use this phone more than just 1-2 years? I think it is not!
It should be enough. Ram usage will probably be similar to SGS2, which usually had plenty free. If it is not enough RAM for anyone, they can remove some of the bloat, or even replace twlauncher (I don't think this will be necessary though).
More than enough, just remove the Samsung bloatware as the previous poster said and it will not only free up RAM but you'll have superior battery life.
I don't know very many people who can use up 1 whole GB of RAM on an Android phone...
1) Android is very good with multi-tasking
2) on stock ROM at least - the people of Samsung don't seem to be concerned even after incorporating the video multi-tasking feature *my fav feature by far! That IS innovation.
and
3) If you have apps eating all of 1 GB of RAM you might need to look at what malicious or poorly coded apps you are relying on...
OK, thanks everyone. You are starting to convince me Even though the poll shows that 1GB is not enough, and my personal opinion was also negative, I still will get this phone.
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It seems to have less memory than SGS2
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OK, thanks everyone. You are starting to convince me Even though the poll shows that 1GB is not enough, and my personal opinion was also negative, I still will get this phone.
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BTW i just saw this review:
It seems to have less memory than SGS2
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yeah true s3 will have a user available memory of 780 mb id say its more than enough. but our mind thinks different "more RAM is better"
who knows once the development kick starts we can get more RAM from some mods by reducing the graphics memory, just like one happened with sgs
I think it is more a question of kernel features. The more you add the less memory is available to apps. With SGS 1 i had most 345 MB of RAM which is still far far far too little to run the latest games with some background services not being killed.
I guess soon even with SGS 3 this will be the case.
You're thinking the more FREE RAM the better.
This is true for PCs, but android manages RAM different, remember?
1GB will be more than enough. Trust me !
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You're thinking the more FREE RAM the better.
This is true for PCs, but android manages RAM different, remember?
1GB will be more than enough. Trust me !
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No its not, with 1gb if you use a lot of apps and a lot of browsing in matter of minutes your phone will be slow as ****.
1gb it is NOT enough.
Yes its totally fine watch than come back and tell me its not enough Ram
Its a Tegra3 with 1GB of ram
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S65h7cT0bo
I believe for now its enough
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Awesome right!!!
So Sense uses less memory than TouchWiz? How is it possible that the One X uses only 24MB of its 1GB RAM - that doesn't sound right.
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I think it is more a question of kernel features. The more you add the less memory is available to apps. With SGS 1 i had most 345 MB of RAM which is still far far far too little to run the latest games with some background services not being killed.
I guess soon even with SGS 3 this will be the case.
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You're thinking the more FREE RAM the better.
This is true for PCs, but android manages RAM different, remember?
1GB will be more than enough. Trust me !
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No its not, with 1gb if you use a lot of apps and a lot of browsing in matter of minutes your phone will be slow as ****.
1gb it is NOT enough.
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on my sgs i have devils kernel with 400mb ram i can play mc3 without lag....says alot
im struggling to use 400mb ram 1gig is more than enough for use
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Yes its totally fine watch than come back and tell me its not enough Ram
Its a Tegra3 with 1GB of ram
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S65h7cT0bo
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thats crazy!
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So Sense uses less memory than TouchWiz? How is it possible that the One X uses only 24MB of its 1GB RAM - that doesn't sound right.
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i was in the phone shop today and had a look at sense on the one X the phone alone takes 50mb ram messaging 30mb browser 40mb doesnt happen on my gnex
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on my sgs i have devils kernel with 400mb ram i can play mc3 without lag....says alot
im struggling to use 400mb ram 1gig is more than enough for use
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thats crazy!
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i was in the phone shop today and had a look at sense on the one X the phone alone takes 50mb ram messaging 30mb browser 40mb doesnt happen on my gnex
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Seems like 1GB should be fine in the SGIII and OneX. I dont think my first desktop had more back in the 80s
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So Sense uses less memory than TouchWiz? How is it possible that the One X uses only 24MB of its 1GB RAM - that doesn't sound right.
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The specs says 1Gb but it's actually not all the ram that is available there's a part of it that is hidden or always assigned to something else such as the gpu... The 976Mb are the ram which is accessible by all of you apps which is the size of the ram when there's nothing running on the phone.
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The specs says 1Gb but it's actually not all the ram that is available there's a part of it that is hidden or always assigned to something else such as the gpu... The 976Mb are the ram which is accessible by all of you apps which is the size of the ram when there's nothing running on the phone.
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Exactly true! And that is why this phone with only 779 RAM available and most of it used by Android will have too little memory for apps... I hate to say it but this is dealbraker for me. Everything else in the phone is perfect!
DaveBG said:
Exactly true! And that is why this phone with only 779 RAM available and most of it used by Android will have too little memory for apps... I hate to say it but this is dealbraker for me. Everything else in the phone is perfect!
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Thats a bunch of BS 1GB of ram is plenty for any phone. Asus TFP has 1GB of ram and runs apps and multiple vids at the same time without breaking a sweat. Anything more than 1GB of ram is just for bragging.
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The same story was when SGS 1 came out. It has 512 RAM which was plenty for the time. Look at it now - it struggles with most games and when i browse with opera for some minutes even the launcher gets killed... Get real. NOW it is OK - next months not so much!
I want to be able to use my phone with no problem for at least 2-3 years...
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The same story was when SGS 1 came out. It has 512 RAM which was plenty for the time. Look at it now - it struggles with most games and when i browse with opera for some minutes even the launcher gets killed... Get real. NOW it is OK - next months not so much!
I want to be able to use my phone with no problem for at least 2-3 years...
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Maybe true in the past but not on ICS
explain this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S65h7cT0bo
I'm betting some of you have a Nexus 7, did you notice that the free ram is about 950MB out of the the Gig that it comes with?
Why do our phone only have like 720MB available if the tablet has so much more?
Both the tablet and our phones have 1 gig, so what gives?
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I'm betting some of you have a Nexus 7, did you notice that the free ram is about 950MB out of the the Gig that it comes with?
Why do our phone only have like 720MB available if the tablet has so much more?
Both the tablet and our phones have 1 gig, so what gives?
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Of that one gig of ram there is firm ware and the OS and some preloaded apps on the Nexus 7 on your phone it is about the same but with a skinned UI and then the carriers bloatware on top of that. It all takes up ram, so no bloatware or skinned UI gives you more ram on your Nexus 7.:good:
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Of that one gig of ram there is firm ware and the OS and some preloaded apps on the Nexus 7 on your phone it is about the same but with a skinned UI and then the carriers bloatware on top of that. It all takes up ram, so no bloatware or skinned UI gives you more ram on your Nexus 7.:good:
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If i'm running a custom rom on my phone with straight AOSP why does the available ram on my phone stay at 720mb like stock?
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If i'm running a custom rom on my phone with straight AOSP why does the available ram on my phone stay at 720mb like stock?
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I think it's reserved for graphics or something. Guessing.
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Its full ram is used to play apps and games on your Nexus 7.
Also...the nexus tablet doesn't have a cell antenna...So no mobile data to keep track of, those services are running on your phone all the time
A friend of mine bought At&t Galaxy S3 and it suppose to have 2gb Ram but when i check the phone it show 1.6GB ram and only 1.03gb available. so i guess it is used by system or graphic or something. Just like the computers that doesn't have dedicated graphic card so if your computer has 4gb ram you would have 3gb ram available the rest is reserved for graphic. i am just assuming that the same this is happening to our phone. if i remember correctly when i had CM9 and when i went to setting, about phone it showed only 768mb instead of 1gb.
I have all 16 on my computer.
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I think it's reserved for graphics or something. Guessing.
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Yeah, i'm sure your right, its reserved for video and whatnot, but why doesn't the Nexus 7 need that video ram used up? It's got a pretty fast video chip too...
My only gripe with the Note is the 1GB of ram. You only have about 350mb available and as we all know, Android caches stuff you run, but most of the time your not holding many apps in that free 350MB so its always restarting apps anyways. This phone (any ICS phone really) needs 2gb of ram.
I've used the S3 and yeah, its super snappy because so much more stays in all that extra active ram... Samsung saw the light and added extra ram, I hope this is a new trend... How do we get a 2gb chip soldered in place of the 1gb chip
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Yeah, i'm sure your right, its reserved for video and whatnot, but why doesn't the Nexus 7 need that video ram used up? It's got a pretty fast video chip too...
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Tegra 3 has its own dedicated ram.
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Tegra 3 has its own dedicated ram.
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That's a pretty good trick then. That alone would make me be sure my next phone was a Tegra 3. Not for the speed, but you really need more ram...
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That's a pretty good trick then. That alone would make me be sure my next phone was a Tegra 3. Not for the speed, but you really need more ram...
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You could always get the S3 or some other phone with 2GB ram.
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You could always get the S3 or some other phone with 2GB ram.
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I'm not giving up my Galaxy Note's huge screen Hoping the Note 2 gets 2gb of ram
Our phones are deliberately under-clocked to 716, some may say it's for the battery life but I think it's because the higher clock speeds lead to shorter phone life. Using custom kernels, you can clock back up or even overclock. The payment is made mostly in battery life, but if your ROM has a memory leak of even the smallest size, overclocking will open the dam and the phone will suffer for it. Also, the phone will run at a higher temperature, which for sure will end its life much faster than leaving it at 716. This is the way I feel about overclocking: If you get the performance you want, leave it alone.
Wtf??
Clock speeds have not a single thing to do with ram whatsoever
Overclock is for the cpu
Aside from the OCD of the available RAM number, how has this negatively impacted your user experience? Are applications running slowly or crashing?
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Aside from the OCD of the available RAM number, how has this negatively impacted your user experience? Are applications running slowly or crashing?
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Apps are continuously closing and having to be relaunched (slower). Back in the older days of android where apps were 20-30mb it wasn't a huge deal, but some of these new games/apps take up well over 100mb of ram. everything else in the background is closed as it needs to make room..
Would be nice to have more active app space for a much smoother "multitasking" experience.
Sounds like we need a high speed dev to create some software to access the SD card and use it as ram....
Is that even possible ????...Hmmmmmm
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Apps are continuously closing and having to be relaunched (slower). Back in the older days of android where apps were 20-30mb it wasn't a huge deal, but some of these new games/apps take up well over 100mb of ram. everything else in the background is closed as it needs to make room..
Would be nice to have more active app space for a much smoother "multitasking" experience.
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Are you running more than one game that takes 100+ MB of RAM at a time? Do you jump from one game to another in the middle of action?
Sounds like you want to just want to be able to adjust your LMK settings. I don't believe there is kernel that lets you do that yet, but I'm sure there will be eventually.
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Sounds like we need a high speed dev to create some software to access the SD card and use it as ram....
Is that even possible ????...Hmmmmmm
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not quite.. SDs speed of 20-30MB/s is a far cry from the 1GB of LPDDR2 "333Mhz?"in our note with a transfer rate of 5,333MB/s
Is it me or the difference of 1GB and 2GB of RAM isn't that big? besides being able to run a few more apps it really dosent make a difference to me... anyone else feel the same way?
The diffrence is none existant. In the last 6 months i have owned a Note II and a Note 10.1, both had 2GB of ram, and both were slower than my HOX+.
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i find 1GB ram good enough. but ofcourse i wouldn't mind if it had 2GB
No, 1GB is not enough. This is one reason i'll return this phone as long as i'm in my return period.
Please don't come with "free ram is wasted" ram ... I encountered already that HTC closed apps because of too less RAM left. 1GB is a joke for the phone. But that's a thing you'll notice only after buying it.
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No, 1GB is not enough. This is one reason i'll return this phone as long as i'm in my return period.
Please don't come with "free ram is wasted" ram ... I encountered already that HTC closed apps because of too less RAM left. 1GB is a joke for the phone. But that's a thing you'll notice only after buying it.
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Hm nexus 7 has 1gb of ram and everyone bought one and doesn't complain about performance 1gb is just fine you just loose some multitasking no big deal
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Everyone buys a Nexus 4 although hardware is crap:
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=39936
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No, 1GB is not enough. This is one reason i'll return this phone as long as i'm in my return period.
Please don't come with "free ram is wasted" ram ... I encountered already that HTC closed apps because of too less RAM left. 1GB is a joke for the phone. But that's a thing you'll notice only after buying it.
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FYI. Number one learn how androids resource management system works.
Number two. As far as multitasking goes, your going to reach a CPU bottleneck long before you use all your ram.
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Number one - LEARN TO READ! I know exactly how *NIX systems are handling free memory. Now it's your turn to learn to read and understand. I mentioned that i already ran into the issue where the great RAM management of HTC closed apps for me.
Now what? With all the knowledge about how RAM is handled on *NIX systems i still state that 1GB is not enough for a phone with a nice but ram intensive launcher like SENSE UI.
Number two - Oh yeah ah ... Read number one ...
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Number one - LEARN TO READ! I know exactly how *NIX systems are handling free memory. Now it's your turn to learn to read and understand. I mentioned that i already ran into the issue where the great RAM management of HTC closed apps for me.
Now what? With all the knowledge about how RAM is handled on *NIX systems i still state that 1GB is not enough for a phone with a nice but ram intensive launcher like SENSE UI.
Number two - Oh yeah ah ... Read number one ...
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That's your opinion that you need more ram, for most of use 7 recent things in the recent windows for multitasking is just fine as for you 15 or w.e stock android is. Is fine for you. Most of us won't need to go back to 10 recent apps we can just reopen the app and be where we left off.
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it think it's the user who doesn't know how t use the phone is the problem here.... huum huumm
Let me add that no "single" android app will ever need more then 512mb of ram let alone 1gb or 2gb for YEARS to come, years, the ecosystem is designed for "small" apps, you won't multitask between more then 2 or 3 small apps at once, and starting up any app or game on this phone is as fast as all top tier phones out now, so trading for another phone is mute.
This is not a PC with photoshop or games that can take up 6gb+ of RAM and shouldn't be thought of as such.
So given the above + quoting and adding to your statement unused or free ram is infact very much wasted ram on the current generation of mobile phones, you want to see a proper difference, wait 5 yrs when Google and Apple might finally let go of legacy device restrictions.
Also i'm happily running 15+ apps on my aokp rom with only "1gb" of ram and no multitasking issues and the phone (white) is sexy as ****, main reason why i bought it
Is it me or does everything else out there now just looks like a rectangular brick and a copy of each other.
-smc
I see people have to talk there phone pretty ... Well there is a famous quote:
No one will need more than 637kb of memory.
Oh wait there's a new OS coming Ubuntu for phone and it says ... low-end minimum 1GB of RAM ... LOW END
So wait again there's a HTC M7 coming ... Guess what? It's an One X++ with 2GB of RAM and LTE ... Why on earth they put 2GB in there if 1GB is enough for years?!
1st. Propably of marketing. 2Gb looks great in specs.. Same as full HD - marketing... I know, evolution is great, but some things are about selling product better, than older product...
Phones can run with 512mb ram great, i think what i saw... 1Gb is pretty for everything today..
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I see people have to talk there phone pretty ... Well there is a famous quote:
No one will need more than 637kb of memory.
Oh wait there's a new OS coming Ubuntu for phone and it says ... low-end minimum 1GB of RAM ... LOW END
So wait again there's a HTC M7 coming ... Guess what? It's an One X++ with 2GB of RAM and LTE ... Why on earth they put 2GB in there if 1GB is enough for years?!
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Android and ubuntu are totally different beasts, the only thing they have in common is they use linux for the kernel. Android runs it's apps through a java VM (Dalvik). Ubuntu uses native code and html5.
AW: 1GB is enough?
That's right android uses ram totally different to common Unix systems but the amount of ram isn't the cause for the device to kill apps. It's more the way ressources art handled in sense ROMs. sense 4 does indeed kill every app except the 8 recent apps. I use aosp based rooms and there is a huge difference in memory management. ATM there are 14 apps opened on my device and I still have about 220 mb of free ram left. And yes I can switch back and fourth between them
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BTW if you root your device and supercharge it you can drastically improve multitasking abilities but you will lose a bit of overall performance
You gotta be honest with yourself how many apps are you trying to have open at once? MOST people use the same apps..Facebook, instagram, Youtube, and lets see uhh Temple run. Do you really need 2GB for that? no you dont. I feel like they just slap on 2GB of ram for marketing reasons...
My take on this is that phones with more than 1Gb of ram didn't even exist until the second half of 2012 (Nexus 4 was the first one I heard about, though I'm sure it wasn't the first.) We aren't talking about some outdated specs like a single core processor, we're talking about something that has JUST been introduced into the market. There's no way that you're missing out on an experience because you don't have 2Gb of RAM. You're phone doesn't get outdated just because newer phones with better specs come around. For now, 1Gb is "good enough" for anything you can set your mind to. Is it ideal? No. I would love 2Gb of RAM, but not having it doesn't make my phone unusable. I personally don't have any issues with resource management.
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Let me add that no "single" android app will ever need more then 512mb of ram let alone 1gb or 2gb for YEARS to come, years, the ecosystem is designed for "small" apps, you won't multitask between more then 2 or 3 small apps at once, and starting up any app or game on this phone is as fast as all top tier phones out now, so trading for another phone is mute.
This is not a PC with photoshop or games that can take up 6gb+ of RAM and shouldn't be thought of as such.
So given the above + quoting and adding to your statement unused or free ram is infact very much wasted ram on the current generation of mobile phones, you want to see a proper difference, wait 5 yrs when Google and Apple might finally let go of legacy device restrictions.
Also i'm happily running 15+ apps on my aokp rom with only "1gb" of ram and no multitasking issues and the phone (white) is sexy as ****, main reason why i bought it
Is it me or does everything else out there now just looks like a rectangular brick and a copy of each other.
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Yeah, no multitasking on my phone with 512 MB of RAM. Cmon, 1 GB is the minimum.
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That's right android uses ram totally different to common Unix systems but the amount of ram isn't the cause for the device to kill apps. It's more the way ressources art handled in sense ROMs. sense 4 does indeed kill every app except the 8 recent apps. I use aosp based rooms and there is a huge difference in memory management. ATM there are 14 apps opened on my device and I still have about 220 mb of free ram left. And yes I can switch back and fourth between them
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BTW if you root your device and supercharge it you can drastically improve multitasking abilities but you will lose a bit of overall performance
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How do you get the kill all option in task manager?
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How do you get the kill all option in task manager?
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use cm or aokp
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I currently have the 12gb RAM/ 256gb S22 ultra (U.S version U device) and am looking to trade in and upgrade to the S23 Ultra strictly for SOT improvement and an overall cooler phone experience (my S22 U gets uncomfortably warm outside here in the Vegas scorching heat.)
For S23U folks with the 8gb Ram/ 256gb version- How's the RAM holding up for you so far? I know the S22 Ultra 8gb/ 128gb version got a lot of flak because the RAM wasn't good enough coupled with last year's inefficient Snapdragon processor which is why I stayed away from that version and hence why I'm trying to figure out if the same holds true for the S23 Ultra or not.
I don't really care for the bigger 512gb drive since 256gb is more than enough for my needs and I rarely game for the most part. I also don't tend to leave too many apps open except for google chrome tabs. Even with the free 512gb promotion Samsung U.S.A is currently running right now I can get the 8gb RAM/ 256gb version for a little over $200 cheaper.
Thanks!
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I currently have the 12gb RAM/ 256gb S22 ultra (U.S version U device) and am looking to trade in and upgrade to the S23 Ultra strictly for SOT improvement and an overall cooler phone experience (my S22 U gets uncomfortably warm outside here in the Vegas scorching heat.)
For folks with the 8gb Ram/ 256gb version- How's the RAM holding up for you so far? I know the S22 Ultra 8gb/ 128gb version got a lot of flak because the RAM wasn't good enough coupled with last year's inefficient Snapdragon processor which is why I stayed away from that version and hence why I'm trying to figure out if the same holds true for the S23 Ultra or not.
I don't really care for the bigger 512gb drive since 256gb is more than enough for my needs and I rarely game for the most part. I also don't tend to leave too many apps open except for google chrome tabs. Even with the free 512gb promotion Samsung U.S.A is currently running right now I can get the 8gb RAM/ 256gb version for a little over $200 cheaper.
Thanks!
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I have both the 12gb & 8gb model, the 12gb uses a little more RAM than the 8gb. My 8gb hovers around 4gb of usage at all times... The 12gb use's 5/6gb at all time's. I'd say make the move!!!
I never noticed any over heating on my S22 not one time. My opinion the S23 is optimized better. Your issue could have been a rouge app. Each person used their device different. The S23 is an amazing device but to switch for more SOT I don't know. People get so caught up in that. I mean how much is enough? That is why I just use my device and don't worry about it. But some that brag about huge SOT usually have so much disabled I wonder why they got a flagship device. But here's my thing. Is the S23 better, hell yes it's a beast. If you can afford it go for it.
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I have both the 12gb & 8gb model, the 12gb uses a little more RAM than the 8gb. My 8gb hovers around 4gb of usage at all times... The 12gb use's 5/6gb at all time's. I'd say make the move!!!
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So apart from the usage difference no stutters, freezes or hang ups on your 8gb model? Does the 8gb operate as fast and as fluidly as your 12gb? Thanks!
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So apart from the usage difference no stutters, freezes or hang ups on your 8gb model? Does the 8gb operate as fast and as fluidly as your 12gb? Thanks!
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I ran some benchmarks for you, my 8gb model performs slightly better than my 12gb model . I don't see any kind of difference when using either device. See below
8GB
https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/1632663
https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/compute/571039
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https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/1632964
https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/compute/571109
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I ran some benchmarks for you, my 8gb model performs slightly better than my 12gb model . I don't see any kind of difference when using either device. See below
8GB
https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/1632663
https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/compute/571039
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https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/1632964
https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/compute/571109
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RAM won't affect the Geekbench results. It solely measures CPU performance.
Also, your S23U throttled HARD there.
12Gb version of mine.
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So apart from the usage difference no stutters, freezes or hang ups on your 8gb model? Does the 8gb operate as fast and as fluidly as your 12gb? Thanks!
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RAM will only affect your Multitasking experience. In day-to-day usage, it won't affect the "performance" of your phone unless you run simultaneously 10 large apps that eat your RAM. So, 8Gb or 12Gb, your phone won't feel "faster".
The more RAM you get the better, at this point I wouldn't be getting an 8Gb model.
12Gb is becoming a "standard" for Android nowadays.
You won't notice a difference unless you're running multiple apps at once and switching between them. It could be argued that the speed benefit from the slightly faster storage speeds in the 512 GB vs 256 would be more noticeable. In the US, Samsung is doing the 512 for the price of the 256, so that's a consideration.
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RAM won't affect the Geekbench results. It solely measures CPU performance.
Also, your S23U throttled HARD there.
12Gb version of mine.
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I've noticed the SM-S918B benchmarks a little higher than U/U1 variants.
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RAM won't affect the Geekbench results. It solely measures CPU performance.
Also, your S23U throttled HARD there.
12Gb version of mine.
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Got a similar result, but only on a cold plate lol.
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You won't be able to tell the difference between 8GB and 12GB RAM but without MicroSD 256GB is all the storage your device will ever have. 200 bucks? You'll spend that much on a decent pair of sneakers, you're tripping over toothpicks.
I can't compare the two devices but I'm using the 12gb version and after I debloated it I hover around 3gb, even with several non system apps always running in the background.
My main is a 12/512 S23 Ultra. For a number of business reasons, I must have a back up phone that is a mirror of the main one, so I got a S23 Ultra with 8/256.
The back up only see sees occasional use to synch everything but I used it on occasion. I didn't see any performance difference.
I only use business apps (Office 365, a few banking apps, authentication apps and secure messaging and secured video.
If there would be a performance difference, it would require way more open apps than I normally have.
Gaming is limited to my PS5. Just hate small screens.
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I can't compare the two devices but I'm using the 12gb version and after I debloated it I hover around 3gb, even with several non system apps always running in the background.
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Can u share which apps u debloated n what r the benefits u getting from it?
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Can u share which apps u debloated n what r the benefits u getting from it?
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You can use regular adb commands to do this on any android but for ease of use there's 2 programs that help with it one is universal android debloater from GitHub and is free and open source, and the other is adb app control and it has a free and paid version.
The benefits are longer battery life, and less data usage. I removed everything related to Bixby and most of Samsung stuff (messages, dialer, gallery, Spay, etc.) The only Samsung stuff I left was enough to use theme park with hex themes.
12gb of ram is for keeper, since you '''''''upgrade''''''' from a s22 to s23, you're not a keeper, so get the cheapest one, you'll never notice a difference if you're no a super user, and spend the extra to a dinner to one of your relative and the memories will remain for ever <3
12GB might be useful if you keep the phone for 3-4 years. 8GB is plenty for normal usage, for now.
It also depends on how OEMs manage the RAM. On my old Find X2 Pro, most apps got nuked overnight, despite having 12GB of RAM. S23U has been much better at keeping apps open, despite also having 12GB and a bunch of S-pen services running in the background.
For my use case, I am already using over 10GB, due to a large number of social and work apps. I also never close apps from recent screen, unless they crash or have some misbehavior. I wish Samsung still makes 16GB version like S20 and S21 Ultra though.