It's here...[Kernel][GPL]Ninphetamin3 - Stable: 1.2.1 - Testing: 1.2.2 (For LG8) - Galaxy S III Original Android Development

Let's roll the clocks back a year.
In 2011, a collaboration was formed to develop a kernel for the sgs2 in the interest of improving battery life and performance, in addition to new features and tricks. Thus, from the combined efforts of netarchy and Ninpo(Hacre), Ninphetamine was born. After we took a step back, we saw that the features introduced in Ninphetamine (such as voltage control, gpu clock control, etc) went on to be adapted to other kernels, and even evolved to become more feature-rich as developers began to expand on the original designs. It is pretty safe to say that Ninphetamine was well received, and left its mark.
Now fast forward to today. Samsung has seen fit to release a new flagship, the sgs3, with its beast of a quad core Exynos chip.
In the interests of improving battery life and performance on the sgs3, Ninpo and I have decided to pool our collective minds on a kernel, through which we aim to improve the sgs3 experience for everyone... and raise an army of rabid naked bunnies with which to take over the world.
Ninphetamin3 has arrived.
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Current features/differences from stock
Updated to Samsung Update4 (LG8 sources)
Overclocking up to 1800mhz
CPU Voltage Control Interface
GPU Voltage and Speed Control Interface
Tweaked Deadline Scheduler by default
Compiler optimizations aimed at improving performance/battery (OMG RICE!)
Removal of Debug overhead for performance/battery improvement
Triangle Away compatible
Various other tweaks and alterations too numerous to waste text posting, see the github commits if you really want the gritty details
Source code:
All source code for the kernel can be found at the Ninphetamin3 Github repo, located at
https://github.com/Ninpo/ninphetamine3

In August 2011 a crack development unit left the SGS2 kernel scene, with patches they didn't commit. This duo promptly escaped from the harrassment of noobs to the outside where the sun shines. Today, their work still wanted by XDA and users of Samsung phones they return to the SGS3's good fortune. We came and found a problem...
Well several, actually. Samsung as usual, as is their wont, released a phone of epic proportions (seriously, this screen is huge guys), with typically beastly hardware inside and have yet again half assed the software side of things. Well...let's be fair, they quarter assed it this time as the ROM is at least pretty good. The kernel however...we know how this story ends right?
Wrong. We know how it begins. Samsung bash away at the Linux kernel like a fat kid on a brick who's been told there's chocolate inside, with all the finesse of an epileptic quadraplegic on the dance floor and release it as "good enough". In their defence, looking at the HTC One X, "good enough" is an overstatement, they'd have to actually forget to include a kernel for the great unibody failure of Taiwan to get a look in. That said, there has been unsurprisingly lots and lots of room for improvement, so...
...we're baaaaaaaack!
In a world plagued with terrible sequels the Ninphetamine team returns as a beacon, a rose among thorns, this time to the SGS3 with Ninphetamin3, a feature rich, fast and expectedly awesome kernel for the awesome piece of hardware that is the Samsung Galaxy S III and if nothing else we can at least show that the SGS3 is more than a fancy software upgrade over the SGS2 in an oversized package and that it does, in fact, contain some pretty fast and well performing hardware. The wait has been much shorter than it was for the SGS2 but here we are with the keys Samsung didn't want you to have until umpteen updates down the road to show you what your device can really do.
netarchy has already gone over the specifics and I know probably no-one is actually reading this post as they search frantically for the download links after getting about four words into the first post. However, I am going to include anyway that people had better read every single word in every single post up to and including the post containing download links because...
POST FIVE makes a return. Oh yes, the hall of shame, the collection of idiots, the grouping of morons, the box of ineptitude is back and I promise you right now will be every bit as brutal as the original if not more so. If you sit there reading this post and find yourself mouthing each word in silence as you read then please, leave this thread, it is not for you. You will end up in Post Five where you get a throroughly embarrassing yet deserved telling off from myself, you will want to cry to moderators however your cries shall fall upon the deafest of ears. This is not a thread for the stupid or the moronic, it is not a thread for the flash junkies who have to have "L" and "R" drawn on the bottom of their shoes to avoid confusion. If you don't know why you're flashing this kernel, other than of course the fact it's been put together by the best development team since Gates said to Allen "Hey...I have an idea...", then may I suggest you go and bother Gokhanmoral, he's far more pleasant than I.
For the developers, moderators and people who remember what Android 1.5 looked like (I'll give you a moment to finish vomiting) that remain, please proceed to the next post and I hope you enjoy using Ninphetamin3 and the subsequent updates as much as we enjoyed putting it together.
It is of course only natural to have people to thank with projects like this, even when you're as awesome as we are so without further ado...
I would like to personally thank netarchy for agreeing to come back on board with a new Ninphetamine project. He is, as he as always been since I've known him, my perfect foil, hence without whom Ninphetamin3 would not exist in the excellent shape that it is in. Thank you netarchy, it is an honour and a privelege to work with you again.
We would both like to thank:
Everyone who used Ninphetamine and managed to flash software to their SGS2 without having an aneurism, your enthusiasm is a big reason for why we're back here, doing it all again.
Gokhanmoral. This guy is a relentless soldier and full credit to him for picking up where Ninphetamine left off, improving and refining what we started and even laying foundations for us to return with some of his early work because yeah, we're good, but we're also lazy.
AndreiLux. Thanks to him for some of the fixes to the source he already had in place and thanks to him for putting the effort into pulling fixes and patches in from elsewhere so that I could lazily cherry pick them from his git hub.
Chainfire for making it so I could easily root my phone the day I got it.
Lenny, Fysi, HCDRJacob and jerdog, for flashing and testing our various alpha builds and being my guinea pigs.
The XDA admin team and mod staff for the latitude wider than Susan Boyle's expansive arse when it comes to my posting.
Last but not least, Samsung, for giving us a reason to come back.
Happy flashing folks but remember, Post Five awaits its first victim...

FAQ:
Q: Is the kernel compatible with AOSP/CM9?
A: A test build has now been published which is intended to be fully compatible with AOSP. So far, it has only been tested using the CM9 ROM.
Q: My camera preview is all messed up!
A: If you're using LFB based ROM or newer, you need version 1.2.x of the kernel.
Q: OMG I'm not stable when I overclock to X
A: Your phone likely cannot handle the overclock. Get over it, and use a lower clock speed.
Q: How to I adjust the voltages for the cpu?
A: You can either use SetCPU's voltage interface, or you can do it manually through the UV_mV_table interface (if you don't understand how to manually adjust the table, just use SetCPU).
Q: What are the voltage limits?
A: The ceiling is 1500mV, the floor is 600mV.
Q: How do I overclock the cpu?
A: Use a tool such as SetCPU to handle clock adjustments.
Q: Why is Deadline the only available I/O scheduler?
A: After extensive testing, we've come to the conclusion that Deadline represents the best balance between performance and overall user experience. If you think otherwise you are officially incorrect until we determine otherwise, and shall be subjected to regular beatings by our army of rabid naked bunnies... and/or a place in "Post 5."
Q: Do the exfat modules get loaded?
A: Yes.
Q: How do I use the init.d script support?
A: Busybox needs to be installed into /system/xbin and your scripts go into /system/etc/init.d/
Q: Help, SetCPU wants to set my voltage to over 9000!
A: SetCPU has millivolts hard coded as a unit of measurement. The numbers reported are actually in nanovolts. Use usual millivolt settings (900 for 900mV, 1200 for 1200mV etc) and the clock interface will automatically convert.
Q: How do I use the GPU control interface?
A: Currently you change the values by echoing new values into a specific device file. If you echo 6 values, this will modify the clock up/down thresholds, if you echo 4 values, this will change the GPU speed at each step. For example:
Code:
echo "160 266 350 440" > /sys/class/misc/gpu_clock_control/gpu_control
will restore default clocks.
Code:
cat /sys/class/misc/gpu_clock_control/gpu_control
cat /sys/class/misc/gpu_voltage_control/gpu_control
To see the current values for each setting.
Changelog
Code:
Revision 1.2.2:
- Updated to Samsung Update 4
- Freezes and Wifi dropout issues should be resolved on LG8 roms
Revision 1.2.1:
- Camera fix for LFB Roms
Revision 1.2.0:
- Updated to Samsung Update3 (LFB sources)
- Version bump to reflect base update
- Camera fix declared stable
Revision 1.1.1-AOSP:
-Implemented support for AOSP using commits from the CyanogenMod I9300 kernel.
Revision 1.1.0:
- A configuration option that was designed to keep more memory free
resulted in a huge degradation in performance over time. It has
reverted, and the minion responsible now resides at the bottom
of Crystal Lake.
- GPU Voltage and clock control added.
- The CPU should no longer lock at 1200mhz during GPU load
- No bunnies were harmed during the making of this build.
Revision 1.0.2:
- exfat modules not only load, but actually work!
(The culprit responsible has been reduced to a pile of ash)
- Undervolting floor lowered from 850mV to 600mV
- run-parts support added to init.rc for ROMs that allow use of /system/etc/init.d
Revision 1.0.1:
- The beast responsible for exfat modules not loading has been beaten
senseless with assorted blunt objects.
Revision 1.0.0:
- Initial release
- Overclocking to 1800mhz is possible, while possibly not stable on all phones.
Overclock at your own risk.
- Deadline tweaked and set as default I/O scheduler.
- Module exception to allow loading exfat modules
- SHA1 algorithm improvements
- CRC32 algorithm improvements
- CPU Voltage control interface implemented
- Debug overhead removed from config and assorted places in source code

Downloads
"Testing"
Ninphetamin3 1.2.2 (For LG8 and Newer ICS Roms)
Ninphetamin3-AOSP-test-1.1.1 (CWM flash) - Testing AOSP only build.
"Stable"
(LFB Roms)
Ninphetamin3 1.2.1 - Camera Fix for LFB Roms
Ninphetamin3 1.2.0
Ninphetamin3-cwm-1.2.0 CWM package
Flash with Odin or Heimdall unless marked as CWM flashable

Moron Purgatory
It was ugly. It was bloody. However, it was completely necessary. The original Post Five soon became a necessity not only as a pressure valve for me but as a beacon of comfort for the many MANY developers on XDA that are plagued by you the user. Not all of you are bad, however much like anything in life there are those examples of people that the laws of Darwin should have claimed long ago and I'm here as his sweeper.
Bottom line, if you're a grade A idiot, moron and/or buffoon that manages to make a post so spectacularly stupid or one that exhibits a clear lack of reading any of these first five posts then you will appear here and it will not be pretty. You'll likely cry, perhaps even soil yourselves and no-one will care.
Despite this warning, this post will no doubt soon be filled with shining examples of justification for euthanasia so be prepared for some serious
.
Warm_ice said:
Still waiting for CM/AOSP/AOKP support. Wish it come soon.
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Well la de da, Warm_ice is STILL waiting less than twenty four hours after the thread was created guys, looks like we'd better wrap this one up, remove the links and close the thread because we didn't come up with the goods for Warm_ice on HIS schedule! Here's a hint champ, I don't care that you're still waiting and neither does anyone else. In fact I'm going to ask moderators for your IP address so that when we do release an AOSP/CM compatible version I can prevent you from downloading it. Why? Because I can and you're obviously the type of ungrateful impatient cretin that must be an absolute JOY to be around at birthdays and Christmas. "Wow thanks for all these free presents and all this effort mum and dad but I'M STILL WAITING FOR MY NEW CAR GOD YOU ARE SUCH FAILURES AS PARENTS!". At least now we know who paid for your shiny new SGS3 eh? Kindly retreat back to your basement hovel and flash someone else's kernel and go bother them, congratulations less than 100 posts in and not only did you make Post Five I'm actually annoyed at how boring your overinflated sense of entitled stupidity is.
nbhadusia said:
Is setcpu ok to use for over clocking? Some kernal devs don't recommend it for they're kernals, wanna check if it's ok for this one. Thanks.
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This post gave me a headache. I almost skipped over it, then I noticed that you claim to be from Britain, so you're either an illiterate moron or seriously lazy. Given that you completely missed netarchy's advocacy of using SetCPU I'm going to assume both, since the fact you're obviously an illiterate moron isn't up for debate. Why are you typing "kernal" when this thread is riddled with examples of the correct spelling? "Some kernal devs don't recommend it for they're kernals", what? KernEl developers are not kernEls, how could they be? What are you basing this outrageous claim on? Did you mean "their" instead? Would you mind taking off the boxing gloves next time you decide to post, read the damn thread and put more effort in than a first year primary school student please, it's embarrassing and offensive. Like your posts.
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@ Hacre
Just want to say my piece and I shall be gone.
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Ah the classic "before I've finished my last word I'll be gone off this soapbox faster than I fail to satisfy a woman" tactic.
g00ndu said:
I do not condone some of the posts in other development threads that were way too off-topic
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That's nice, however what you do or do not condone is as important to the world as what colour dump I took this morning in precise HTML values.
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, and I do understand your perspective in keeping this thread clean from all the banal talks, etc, but nevertheless one should bear in mind of the 2 points:
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You keep using this word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
g00ndu said:
I am sure you have done a lot in the xda community, but I cannot help to feel that your attitude resembles your country during the colonial days.
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Thanks for the compliment, Great Britain was awesome back then.
g00ndu said:
There were a few posts that was purposely created just for the sake of some humour, and I know those posts were from some distinguished developers, like yourself. Perhaps you guys have gone a long way back. However, when someone posts some other banal talks, they were immediately taken to post 5. For those who doesn't know, they will think that you are practicing elitism and double standards. One set of rules for people you know and respect, and another set for people you did not give a hoot.
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When someone posts what is obviously a joke dumb question it can either be taken for what it is and promptly ignored or removed by moderators. I'm not going to respond to every "hurr this kernal not work on my HTC" post that's just trying to get themselves into Post Five and yes, it happens, a lot. It's not "One set of rules for people I know", it's one set of rules for the incredibly stupid and those rules haven't changed since the last thread.
g00ndu said:
Sure, you can say that you don't give a damn what others think about you, but hey remember it is a reflection of your well-being. I do hope that you do not do this to feed your own ego.
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Here you go again. It's highly amusing that you're sitting on a high horse preaching at me, but you'd have a lot more weight behind your post if you stopped trying to sound clever and misusing words/sayings. There is nothing about this thread that is any kind of reflection of my well being. Both my physical and mental health are fine and if the internet thought that either of those were not, well, I care less about that than I would if I heard the news that your hands had fallen off and could never post again.
g00ndu said:
The other thing I find it offending in post 5 is the type of insults you have put there. While it is still your prerogative to put what is written there, do bear in mind that you never should have brought the poster's family members in the picture. What wrong have they done to deserve this? You can insult the poster's intelligence, or rather the lack of it, you can insult their laziness for not reading and searching, but never never bring those insults into the family.
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Again your completely misinformed view is here to haunt you. I've insulted no-one's family in Post Five or any other post in this thread. If you properly understood what you were being morally outraged by, you'd understand that. I will point out however, that you don't actually care about the rights and wrongs of this thread because if you did, you'd have hit the Report Post button and moved on. Instead what you are is a member of the morality brigade and like me with stupid people, you salivate with delight at the thought of giving someone a good stern talking to when they offend your moral compass. The difference? I'm good at it.
g00ndu said:
@ those who thanked Hacre in post 5
I know you guys had a good laugh when seeing those comments in post 5, but thanking Hacre for those laughter at the expense of the poster's noobness, means that you are condoning those insults, and in turn, made Hacre justified his insults. Do have some consideration and humility.
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Right, can you sod off with trying to sound clever and instead coming across as a complete moron? Humility has nothing whatsoever to do with people finding something funny or not. Abstaining from clicking the Thanks button doesn't suddenly make someone humble. No-one needs to justify my ridicule of the ineptly stupid for me and I justify it by the fact that they deserve it. There's no excuse for dumb unless you're genuinely mentally ill so if you provide me with your Downs Certificate I'll gladly apologise to you.
g00ndu said:
@ those who posts nonsensical comments
This is a development thread, not a helpdesk! Neither is it a wishlist! Just report the issues and bugs and attach your logcat so that it helps the developer quickly resolve the issue and improve their next builds. If you just post for the sake of quick fix, then this is definitely not the right place for you. Neither do you have the right phone.
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There's quite an irony here, in the fact that the main difference between your post and other nonsensical posts is they're a lot quicker to read and deal with. You've managed to type a wall of text while saying nothing of use nor consequence.
g00ndu said:
Everyone here, please spare a thought for others. All that is needed is a little consideration for others. It will go a long way in making xda a better place for everyone.
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So would you not posting. Unless you can provide your official Internet Morality Police identification you're still just waffling about nothing at this point. I'm sorry that your life is so devoid of meaning that a complete stranger on the internet ridiculing the stupidity of some other strangers on the internet compelled you to make a post proving that you're one of the stupid strangers on the internet. I mean looking at your post history, the last thing you did of any remote consequence was winzip up a ROM for the Samsung Galaxy S and the only thing less relevant than that device today is you. The rest of your post history is a veritable who's who of the uninteresting and dumb. I actually predicted that would be the case when eyeing up your post to thank ratio, almost THREE THOUSAND POSTS in four years, my god man, that's more white noise than an old detuned television.
g00ndu said:
Peace and good day!
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Oh
g00ndu said:
P/S: I do not own a GSIII.
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This just proves the point I made earlier. At least I am genuine in my intentions when it comes to a: contributing to this community and b: swatting morons, I don't hide any of it behind anything. You on the other hand had no business being anywhere near this thread or this forum, leading to the conclusion that you're just trolling for perceived wrongs to put right.
If you want a wrong to put right, you can put a massive tick in your win column by never posting again, ever, you small minded, illiterate, self-important wishy washy excuse for a human being. Now kindly ride off to another forum upon your mighty steed and find someone else to white knight for.
avocco said:
[Talking about undervolting]It may well be stupid to you but it does give a good guideline on how far we can push our devices. Considering your kernel does indeed support UV its only natural for anyone to discuss this.
Easy with the language, some may take offence
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I couldn't give an aerial fornication who finds what offensive.
Person A's UV findings give a good guideline on how far PERSON A can push their device. It doesn't give you, me, Person B or anyone guideline at all. One person can drop 100mV and be stable, others can't drop a drop below what they're running at without major issues. It is an utterly pointless discussion for an utterly pointless thread participated in by utterly pointless people like yourself. The fact you think it's a guideline at all demonstrates you shouldn't be flashing stuff to your phone, let alone playing with voltages.
Oh I also think you'll find it is I, the co-owner of this thread, that gets to determine what is and isn't on topic. Development and kernel feedback is "on-topic". Pointless discussion about who can reach what voltage on their individual phone is as useful to this thread as you lot comparing weight and colour of your morning ****e and whether it floated or not. So kindly shove it up your arse and get out.
Ohhh boy ladies and gentlefolk, we got us a doozy...
compo_ab said:
Ok let me clear a few things up. I apologize for calling this kernel crap, that was uncalled for, childish and very ungrateful.
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Smartest thing you've ever said on this forum bud.
compo_ab said:
I am sorry for that, you guys obviously bust your asses doing this stuff and it seems like Im the only one that did not like it.
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When you get to a point where you realise you're a minority, here's a hint: you should stop f**king talking.
compo_ab said:
Let me point out that I do not know much about this stuff, I mean I know enough to be here, but not much beyond.
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Yeah you demonstrated this admirably with your first post. You don't have to keep reaffirming the fact that you're a simpleton.
compo_ab said:
I was not really speaking about post 5 to be honest, yes it is offensive but I can understand your frustration when people say dumb things. I was talking more about the grandiose introduction your British friend wrote. I see people like that every day. Typically they have advanced stages of Schizophrenia and their delusions of grandeur are somewhat justified (I am a psychiatrist).
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OK. I'm going to give you this one chance to cut the bull**** because this isn't even remotely close to even psychiatry 101. You're not a psychiatrist. You've misspelled schizophrenia at least once while replying to me, one would expect a psychiatrist to do better than that. Not only that an actual professional would insist upon more exposure than some posts of text on the internet, because text on the internet is largely diagnostically useless. You know why? I could be anyone talking about anything and any amount of it could be utterly made up. You cannot diagnose a mental illness over the internet based upon some text at least not without a pattern to contrast against. You do not have this so you're either a f**king idiot psych student who after five minutes of breast feeding from a psych teacher you think you know the planet, or you're really a bat**** insane psych student for whom five minutes diagnosing a Twilight loving vampire embracing fat female means you know how to spot a shut in. The very fact that you're so bad at this yet decide to come and lecture ME is utterly offensive, not to me because you made it so trivial to dismiss you, but to the people who like to read good entries to post 5 and are yet let down by the fact some gutter trash like you saw fit to **** his opinion on my thread and my posts and therefore left himself open to ridicule. One can only hope your self esteem can handle this because your sadness ridden posts suggest you cannot. It truly would be a loss to...someone...no one on XDA of course, if you decided to kill yourself.
(Please do).
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This is just a guy with a severe God complex who mummy and daddy spoiled a little much. If you look back into their past you'll see they use nicknames like omnipotent and so on. Anyway it is still none of my business and I do apologize for being rude. Thanks for the work on behalf of the noob community.
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Time for some truth, since you're apparently an expert.
My father wasn't around much and my mother left before I even had any kind of cognitive skills or for a simpler explanation, was gone before I knew what it was like to be two years old. So not only was I not spoiled, I was arguably neglected. My past nicknames are, from 1994: Bundy (because of Al Bundy, my name is Alex), Bunders, Jubei, Ninpo and Hacre. Nothing in there is remotely related to omnipotence of having any kind of God complex at all. I've backed my rebuttal up with some real, personal, get to know me, balls to the wall honesty...are you as brave? Please tell us what drives you to pretend to be a psychiatrist on the internet when you can't even diagnose someone who pretends to have a God complex for the sake of entertaining his followers, but really, honestly, doesn't give a solitary f**k. Answers on a postcard please, you utter, utter moron.
Didn't expect some f**king honesty in my response did you? Diagnose that you armchair psych piece of flotsam.

Already bookmarked: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=27623029&postcount=5

Ok download link is up, I'm too lazy and too full of beer to make a CWM flashable zip so unless someone else does and offers it as a sacrifice to the altar of Gods netarchy and Ninpo to earn a place in my thanks section, it'll likely be done tomorrow.
Enjoy folks, try and break her.

Hacre said:
Ok download link is up, I'm too lazy and too full of beer to make a CWM flashable zip so unless someone else does and offers it as a sacrifice to the altar of Gods netarchy and Ninpo to earn a place in my thanks section, it'll likely be done tomorrow.
Enjoy folks, try and break her.
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Already subscribed and added this awesome kernel to my REF http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1674286
Unfortunately i run out of thanks today but i promise i'll do it tomorrow

hai will this work on galaxy note???

TheDeadCPU said:
hai will this work on galaxy note???
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Lmao wtf?
Sent from my GT-I9300 using xda premium

TheDeadCPU said:
hai will this work on galaxy note???
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Dude dont you will brick your phone.

daraj said:
Dude dont you will brick your phone.
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Nah he's just trolling Tdc probably wants to be first person to ask a moronic question...

TheDeadCPU said:
hai will this work on galaxy note???
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Go away Mr. Løkås

Flashed it through mobile odin,overclocked to 1800 using setcpu,on stock rom,scored 6600 on quadrant,phone rebooted twice while peforming antutu.
Thanks.
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rock2702 said:
Flashed it through mobile odin,overclocked to 1800 using setcpu,on stock rom,scored 6600 on quadrant,phone rebooted twice while peforming antutu.
Thanks.
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Great story.

Kernel mustard! *boom*
Bit random but any chance the kernel gurus can make this work with the wretched Sky Go (which refuses to work with most non-stock kernels)?

dave_uk said:
Kernel mustard! *boom*
Bit random but any chance the kernel gurus can make this work with the wretched Sky Go (which refuses to work with most non-stock kernels)?
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Have you tried it?

Hacre said:
Have you tried it?
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Yup. Sticks on loading without getting anywhere although could just be me because Voodoo OTA's behaving oddly.
Should it work?

Can someone plz tell me how to flash kernel? Thxxx!

AndreiLux said:
Can someone plz tell me how to flash kernel? Thxxx!
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With Odin ( .tar in pda ) or Mobile Odin ( .tar in kernel )
Lol didn't check the name
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Related

[GEN] Why is XDA-Raphael Rom Development section ungrateful?

I'm a XDA lover
i love to flash ROMs
I'm greatfull to all the wonderful Chefs/developers/users/co-members at XDA
(mostly for the Raphael Forums as thats what i use-99% of times.)
But recently i've noticed that the Forums and developments here on this Forum is not SO lively and ACtive as it used to be i wonder why should that be the case...
I remember the time that there used to be ROM releases every other day but ow its come down to once or twice a week...and sometimes even longer...I've no grudge against any of the Chefs i'm totally aware of the fact that ROM Development ETC takes heck lot of time and effort ...But i feel that its not about the time its about the passion with which people respond to these ROMs they have kind of got dispassionate towards the ROMs and take it for granted and don't appreciate the work of the Chef...
I could be wrong absolutely wrong but this is what i feel.
I'm really sorry if you don't think so...
But i feel we should be greatfull to the DEvelopers/Chefs/Co-members here at XDA they are the ones who help us.
We should not take them for granted.
We should help a person who is in problem rather than thinking that someone else will ofcourse help him/her.
If we are good to people then only people will be good to us.
If we appreciate and praise a Chefs/developers Work then only he/she will be motivated to give us all something even better the next time otherwise he will feel he is just wasting time.
Show respect and regard people XDA is a wonderful place for all of us.
Thank you.
Please feel free to express your opinions.
I'm sorry if some one doesn't agree with me or dislikes this post.
This is not meant to offend anyone.
Thank you everyone.
To MODS: Please let this be here i need an opinion. But if it offends you or is unappropriate its upto all you wonderful people.
I've been coming here for a few years, and it seems as something gets more popular, the more it seems the people involved are less appreciative. I see a LOT of "dang, it's taking you forever to build this rom" or "it's got a bug and sucks, why can't you fix it" and that type of mentality. but on the flip side, some people draw that type of person. I've been using RRE roms for a long time. and while I've seen a few people piss in aruppenthal's post toasties, for the most part, most of the people who use his roms are very appreciative, and supportive.
I know some people won't agree with me, and I'll probably piss off a few people, but when you get this many people in 1 place, you are ALWAYS going to have dipsh!ts and idiots and the like. I mean we're talking about 250k active accounts here. think about a superbowl game.. 30-50k people and there are tons that get arrested, or beaten down cause they're drunk and stupid (or obnoxious) or whatever. I think we're doing exceptionally good here. a TON of people and most of them are nice, supportive and stuff.
Me? I love this board. it's what I consider home. (thanks ryan.)
I agree with u but what did u make so upset my friend. Its true that we have some a..holes in xda. But as jaguar says, u will always have them somewhere.
I still think the raphael area is still in pretty good shape, with helping people and being greatfull to the cooks.
Schnizelbrain
P.S. And if u really whant to thank the chefs/Devs, donate.
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I've been coming here for a few years, and it seems as something gets more popular, the more it seems the people involved are less appreciative. I see a LOT of "dang, it's taking you forever to build this rom" or "it's got a bug and sucks, why can't you fix it" and that type of mentality. but on the flip side, some people draw that type of person. I've been using RRE roms for a long time. and while I've seen a few people piss in aruppenthal's post toasties, for the most part, most of the people who use his roms are very appreciative, and supportive.
I know some people won't agree with me, and I'll probably piss off a few people, but when you get this many people in 1 place, you are ALWAYS going to have dipsh!ts and idiots and the like. I mean we're talking about 250k active accounts here. think about a superbowl game.. 30-50k people and there are tons that get arrested, or beaten down cause they're drunk and stupid (or obnoxious) or whatever. I think we're doing exceptionally good here. a TON of people and most of them are nice, supportive and stuff.
Me? I love this board. it's what I consider home. (thanks ryan.)
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I totally agree.
mr.jaguar said:
I've been coming here for a few years, and it seems as something gets more popular, the more it seems the people involved are less appreciative. I see a LOT of "dang, it's taking you forever to build this rom" or "it's got a bug and sucks, why can't you fix it" and that type of mentality. but on the flip side, some people draw that type of person. I've been using RRE roms for a long time. and while I've seen a few people piss in aruppenthal's post toasties, for the most part, most of the people who use his roms are very appreciative, and supportive.
I know some people won't agree with me, and I'll probably piss off a few people, but when you get this many people in 1 place, you are ALWAYS going to have dipsh!ts and idiots and the like. I mean we're talking about 250k active accounts here. think about a superbowl game.. 30-50k people and there are tons that get arrested, or beaten down cause they're drunk and stupid (or obnoxious) or whatever. I think we're doing exceptionally good here. a TON of people and most of them are nice, supportive and stuff.
Me? I love this board. it's what I consider home. (thanks ryan.)
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I agree ! Even i love this and is my home...true nothing can be done but if people read this thread perhaps they would think twice before flaming or criticizing peoples efforts ! And making fun of them.
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I agree with u but what did u make so upset my friend. Its true that we have some a..holes in xda. But as jaguar says, u will always have them somewhere.
I still think the raphael area is still in pretty good shape, with helping people and being greatfull to the cooks.
Schnizelbrain
P.S. And if u really whant to thank the chefs/Devs, donate.
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What makes me upset are some of the posts i read by few Bugf**kers !
They insult the ROM the forums the chefs ! And its sad to share space with such jerks !
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Schnizelbrain I'm a minor i'm just 16 years old... if i had a credit card or i was earning i would hundred pecent donate to these lovely people ....
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Glad you agree.
See the poll one person voted saying he doesn't care. He/She is just interested in resources ! These are the ungrateful lot of people which i hate to share space with on the forum....if you use the resources appreciate them thank the people who work their asses of so that we can have cool stuff on our phones ! If not donate just write a thanks message for them aprreciate their work...
But all these people will do is use everything here and then crib that this lacks this and you lack this !
Theses people suck !
A sorry to all the MODS but i felt lke showing a little respect to all the co-members/developers/chefs on XDA and try to educate the flamers and idiots of XDA !
Glad there are still lots of good people around
Thank you all.
Other
I think the board activity is representative of a normal product life cycle.
There was growth and a lot of development as people flocked to the Raphael.
Now, we are in a decline as the next generation of devices are coming out.
Big words , What has to be taken into account is that a lot of the chefs are moving on the newer devices, like Topaz, rhodium and HD2. This is a cycle, this has happened to the Kaiser forums as well but that's still active as well. Now the time has come for fresher chefs to cook their ROMs and grow. Where there is a need there shall be new ROMs. I actually think the kaiser forums are more stable nowadays but I could be wrong.
On a side note I cooked and then gave it a rest because of the the amount of work it worked out to be to make sure new changes wouldn't affect stability. Aside from the work it is to create a kitchen and find the newest\best packages. The testing process it fairly intensive. I don't think any good chef can whip up a ROM from scratch with in less than two days of hard labour, and that's if their experienced.
Appreciation threads are always welcome I think
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gunshy73 said:
I think the board activity is representative of a normal product life cycle.
There was growth and a lot of development as people flocked to the Raphael.
Now, we are in a decline as the next generation of devices are coming out.
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But that doesn't give anyone a license to insult/disregard anyone's efforts even if they are not as expected.
12aon said:
Big words , What has to be taken into account is that a lot of the chefs are moving on the newer devices, like Topaz, rhodium and HD2. This is a cycle, this has happened to the Kaiser forums as well but that's still active as well. Now the time has come for fresher chefs to cook their ROMs and grow. Where there is a need there shall be new ROMs. I actually think the kaiser forums are more stable nowadays but I could be wrong.
On a side note I cooked and then gave it a rest because of the the amount of work it worked out to be to make sure new changes wouldn't affect stability. Aside from the work it is to create a kitchen and find the newest\best packages. The testing process it fairly intensive. I don't think any good chef can whip up a ROM from scratch with in less than two days of hard labour, and that's if their experienced.
Appreciation threads are always welcome I think
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WOW great to get a thumbs up from a MOD ! Sir its true but still old forums or new forums good/bad/old/new-chefs/developers we all need to appreciate each other's efforts and work..
Then only XDA will continue the way it has otherwise it will someday become a paid portal with a limited number of civilized members..
hpe the 300 people who viewed this thread will realise the importance of patience, apreciation, and understanding...
I'm just trying to tell people to be human to others who are helping you as strangers ! [/SIZE]
Anyways keep posting and voting Thanks to all.
"Why is XDA-Raphael Rom Development section ungrateful?"
Unfortunately, nobody will visit this place if was happy with his phone.
So the facts are:
1) Everyone has a hope for better image (software)
2) The hardware has also many disadvantages
Even if the chefs make perfect images, the phone+software will be under the general
expectation of the users.
Personaly, i beleived the advertisements and the reviews of this phone and
i gave 600 euros to buy it. I am cheated
rafailo said:
"Why is XDA-Raphael Rom Development section ungrateful?"
Unfortunately, nobody will visit this place if was happy with his phone.
So the facts are:
1) Everyone has a hope for better image (software)
2) The hardware has also many disadvantages
Even if the chefs make perfect images, the phone+software will be under the general
expectation of the users.
Personaly, i beleived the advertisements and the reviews of this phone and
i gave 600 euros to buy it. I am cheated
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But again that is NO EXCUSE TO BE RUDE T PEOPLE HERE THEY NEVER FORCED YOU TO BUY ANY DEVICE THEY ARE JUST HELPING YOU.
There is no valid reason in the world to be rude to anyone else here !
rafailo said:
this phone and
i gave 600 euros to buy it. I am cheated
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Do you yell at the mechanic who is working on your car just because you bought a lemon? NO.
Do you take it up with the person from which you purchased the care? YES.
You seem to forget that XDA is not responsible for the design and marketing of HTC products. They are simply trying to get the most out of their devices.
If you are so greatly upset by the device, go get an iphone and quit complaining.
I agree with you my friend.
I moved over from KAISER to this one recently. I too have noticed the hostility of the people in this community. Often you read something in this line.....You should have read the back 20 pages before posting your question..........You should search before posting your question......... People should realise that people may not have all the time in the world to read as much as others.........Some people are more computer competent than others...........We have different abilities. We should all try and make each other valued.
Thank you all who contribute daily to make this community a pleasant place to be.
Please do not let the flame dies.
Great To get some support !
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Do you yell at the mechanic who is working on your car just because you bought a lemon? NO.
Do you take it up with the person from which you purchased the care? YES.
You seem to forget that XDA is not responsible for the design and marketing of HTC products. They are simply trying to get the most out of their devices.
If you are so greatly upset by the device, go get an iphone and quit complaining.
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These kind of people won't even be happy with the best phone in the world forget the iphone or anything....! Thank you for the support ! These type of people have to understand That Its not a developers/chefs fault that the App is not working ! He/She are trying their best to make it work ! But still they want everything to work fine. !
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I moved over from KAISER to this one recently. I too have noticed the hostility of the people in this community. Often you read something in this line.....You should have read the back 20 pages before posting your question..........You should search before posting your question......... People should realise that people may not have all the time in the world to read as much as others.........Some people are more computer competent than others...........We have different abilities. We should all try and make each other valued.
Thank you all who contribute daily to make this community a pleasant place to be.
Please do not let the flame dies.
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Thanks a lot buddy ! I'm glas 65% of you agree with me and maybe the 11% somewhere inside their heart do agree...but the other 24% are the people who i hope will learn something and hopefully appreciate the efforts work and dedication of the developers/chefs here.
But the people who Say that they don't care and just want resources are the ones who should be ashamed of themselves they are very ungrateful....
I hope that the 715 odd people who have read some of this thread realised something if not exactly what i wanted them to realise and hopefully will be better next time they post on any Forum.
Thank you all.
XDA Forever !
Keep Voting ! we need to improve the "Sour Grapes" At XDA.
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My thoughts exactly. I find this poster's posts annoying because of that.
The site is as it has been in the lifelines of devices. New devices come out, and people move on to the next best thing. I think it is rare that there is griping - though it happens everywhere. The OP might be misinterpreting excitement to see new things in new builds for griping.
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Done that I didn't realise it would irritate some people. I just wanted to hilight the text.
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My thoughts exactly. I find this poster's posts annoying because of that.
The site is as it has been in the lifelines of devices. New devices come out, and people move on to the next best thing. I think it is rare that there is griping - though it happens everywhere. The OP might be misinterpreting excitement to see new things in new builds for griping.
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Ahh ! What exactly do you mean ? I'm dumb could yo please explain in simple terms in straight forward language Without going around in circles....
Thank you
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Ahh ! What exactly do you mean ? I'm dumb could yo please explain in simple terms in straight forward language Without going around in circles....
Thank you
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I mean that most people are passionate here about seeing what's next, and what is tweaked on new builds. I flash multiple times a week still, and love to see what I will find on a new build.
I check here multiple times a day for new things to appear. I can see people getting vocal about wanting to see new cool things. "Where's build 23085!!!" is what I am thinking, but not to piss anybody off or push people. Rather,to want to simply get my hands on it to play.
Also, complainers complain. 99.99% of people are fine with things, but the couple of schmucks complaining may make it appear that most people are ungrateful.
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I mean that most people are passionate here about seeing what's next, and what is tweaked on new builds. I flash multiple times a week still, and love to see what I will find on a new build.
I check here multiple times a day for new things to appear. I can see people getting vocal about wanting to see new cool things. "Where's build 23085!!!" is what I am thinking, but not to piss anybody off or push people. Rather,to want to simply get my hands on it to play.
Also, complainers complain. 99.99% of people are fine with things, but the couple of schmucks complaining may make it appear that most people are ungrateful.
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Ah ! I see.
Sir i agree with you mostly on that.
Indeed newer ROMs and latest developments excite most of the people on this community, But I feel most of those people who download these ROMs/Programs/Developments and are so called "Flash-junkies" are taking things for granted as in i mean if they see a build 23081 they will try it maybe say its good, but it lacks this this and this... And then after a little while say please do this is 23085 please do this and this this are taking the fact for granted that the chef for sure will write a 23085 build without appreciating the effort he put in the 23081 build
In simple terms i mean is that they JUST demand with little or no apprecition of any sorts (i'm not saying that nobody appreciated anybody i'm saying this trend has crept in ....and there are a bunch of such people---> like the 4 people who said "they don't care about appreciation, they just want appreciation ! " that in my view is pretty ridiculous and then the Chefs should sell their ROMs rather than make it availible for anyone and everyone !
Anyways thats my way of showing appreciation and respect.
Maybe this will improve some people NOT that i'm trying to be a "Gandhi" and bring about a revolution at XDA. All I'm doing is just giving a matter a thought which might change the views of others.
Again i repeat NOT to offend/hurt anyone.
If you don't agree with me its absolutely ok.
Thank you all. Keep voting and posting your opinions.
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I mean that most people are passionate here about seeing what's next, and what is tweaked on new builds. I flash multiple times a week still, and love to see what I will find on a new build.
I check here multiple times a day for new things to appear. I can see people getting vocal about wanting to see new cool things. "Where's build 23085!!!" is what I am thinking, but not to piss anybody off or push people. Rather,to want to simply get my hands on it to play.
Also, complainers complain. 99.99% of people are fine with things, but the couple of schmucks complaining may make it appear that most people are ungrateful.
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Amen to that! That's exactly my opinion.
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Amen to that! That's exactly my opinion.
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I agree but 99.9% is according to me increasing at a rapid rate.

Why has the speedfrey mod kernel been locked?

Just wondering why this has happened? Is it safe to use still?
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Stable screen off Setting for v 3.0.0 Jefrey.
I just found out the stable setting, for screen off. Don't use clock speed 500 or less when screen off.
Looks like another case of no source so in violation of the GPL
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Looks like another case of no source so in violation of the GPL
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This. Maybe you should read the last page of the thread next time.
yes exactly
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Just wondering why this has happened? Is it safe to use still?
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Because four different people (five if you include myself) asked for the source code at various points over the last week and have had no response nor source code, despite the author responding in the thread to other questions.
Or, read the mod edit in the first post that explains the thread is closed pending investigation. Add that to my post on the last page of the thread and it doesn't take a genius to put two and two together and come up with four. In fact, anyone barely capable of sitting next to a box of matches without managing to spontaneously combust should be able to figure those cryptic clues out.
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I just found out the stable setting, for screen off. Don't use clock speed 500 or less when screen off.
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Er, that kernel is badly broken if you can't use 500 or less with screen off. My phone sits nicely at 200-500 screen off using conservative.
What you're running with there is a kernel that's obviously incapable of running your phone at stock speeds. There is no need for your "EUREKA!" moment. It isn't a eureka moment. It's a "oh no, this kernel is ****" moment. You wouldn't accept a car that wouldn't idle below 5000rpm without exploding in a big heap, so why are you recommending to people "Run your phone higher than 500MHz in sleep hurr hurr" instead of "OMG guys this is terrible, use something, ANYTHING else, immediately!"
Occams Razor, obviously the simplest solution is often the best. Unless you're too simple to figure out that a phone should be able to run at all of its stock frequencies.
Just another jerk that thinks he's above the GPL. Perm ban imho. Nice post Hacre, I'm happy to provide matches for people to play with on the proviso they burn their XDA forum clicking hand.
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@Hacre, @asgard: If the GPL has been violated then clearly this needs to be remedied and indeed this is a reasonable reason to close the thread whilst there is an investigation - all good stuff.
But, you do rather come across like vigilanties with pitch-forks going out to kill an old lady with warts! (To paraphrase Blackadder.) The fact is that he's (assuming he) has produced a kernel that is both fast and has excellent battery life. Yes, it may also have a key logger embedded or other nasties - we don't know, but that's the point of an investigation, right? So, may I propose applying the "innocent until proven guilty" principle here instead of the "feed him to the sharks!" and in the meantime simply stating the facts as known which is that he is suspected of being in violation of the GPL and therefore his post has been suspended pending further investigation?
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@Hacre, @asgard: If the GPL has been violated then clearly this needs to be remedied and indeed this is a reasonable reason to close the thread whilst there is an investigation - all good stuff.
But, you do rather come across like vigilanties with pitch-forks going out to kill an old lady with warts! (To paraphrase Blackadder.) The fact is that he's (assuming he) has produced a kernel that is both fast and has excellent battery life. Yes, it may also have a key logger embedded or other nasties - we don't know, but that's the point of an investigation, right? So, may I propose applying the "innocent until proven guilty" principle here instead of the "feed him to the sharks!" and in the meantime simply stating the facts as known which is that he is suspected of being in violation of the GPL and therefore his post has been suspended pending further investigation?
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Given how much **** I went through to even get XDA to acknowledge the GPL much less enforce that it's adhered to, no, I don't think it's being unreasonable at all.
Unreasonable would be to demand that the thread be closed/deleted and the thread starter be banned the moment it's noticed they've posted a kernel without source code. Did anybody do this? No. The author was asked several times by different people over at least a timespan of a week for the sources to be posted (mine are up to date on the github link in my signature before the kernel is even posted here) and those requests went ignored, while the author continued to post in the thread.
The fact that the thread is -still- closed indicates he -still- hasn't produced the source code, as that is all that is required for the mods to reopen the thread.
So given all the facts you have available do you still think that myself and others have been unreasonable? Really?
Everyone else plays by the rules, so should he. The fact that you're trying to white knight for someone who obviously didn't give a **** about the GPL or the spirit of it, is beggar's belief.
Oh and incidentally, if I'm coming across as a vigilante, good. As an FSF member and a kernel developer I've every right to get pissed when people **** on the GPL. If you think this is unreasonable then you'd be amazed what legal rights the copyright holders of the kernel have should the GPL be breached, up to and including making sure the author can never distribute anything to do with the Linux kernel again. He got off lightly.
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Given how much **** I went through to even get XDA to acknowledge the GPL much less enforce that it's adhered to, no, I don't think it's being unreasonable at all.
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Yes, but you don't need to force your own frustrations down other people's throats.
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Unreasonable would be to demand that the thread be closed/deleted and the thread starter be banned the moment it's noticed they've posted a kernel without source code.
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Yes, I agree: that would be unreasonable.
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Did anybody do this? No. The author was asked several times by different people over at least a timespan of a week for the sources to be posted (mine are up to date on the github link in my signature before the kernel is even posted here) and those requests went ignored, while the author continued to post in the thread.
The fact that the thread is -still- closed indicates he -still- hasn't produced the source code, as that is all that is required for the mods to reopen the thread.
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That would be a reasonable assumption.
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So given all the facts you have available do you still think that myself and others have been unreasonable? Really?
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Of course. I wouldn't have posted otherwise.
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Everyone else plays by the rules, so should he.
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Correct - hence the investiation.
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The fact that you're trying to white knight for someone who obviously didn't give a **** about the GPL or the spirit of it, is beggar's belief.
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Your logic is flawed. The fact that I disagree with you does not make me the enemy, nor does it mean I agree with the author of jeffrey-speedfrey. I am on the side of perspective.
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Oh and incidentally, if I'm coming across as a vigilante, good. As an FSF member and a kernel developer I've every right to get pissed when people **** on the GPL.
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Sure. I agree it's not good. But assuming guilt is worse IMHO.
It looks like the kernel is still safe to use as the mod did not block off the download links. From what I can gather, the dev either doesn't know how to release source on github or chooses not to release them. The work was also based off hardcore's speedmod kernel.
[REF] Galaxy S II Kernel source code repository. Please use it instead of .tar
A few kernel developers were given warnings for not releasing the source code via git. Some remedied it faster than others, some ignores the warning till their thread is locked then quits xda-developers forums.
Hacre, I understand you are proud of what you do with your kernel, however, your attitude needs improving. You openly pick on another dev, when his thread is locked, it's like kicking someone in the balls after he is already down from someone else's punch, and being proud of it. I don't care how good your kernel is, or how great a person you are, you really need to grow up.
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Sure. I agree it's not good. But assuming guilt is worse IMHO.
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What? This isn't a trial with a jury. The thread has been closed for not posting sources when he was asked several times thus OBVIOUSLY and PROVEN TO BE breaching GPL. What else is there to "get" or "discover"? What would have been reasonable in your opinion? A few more "pretty please" posts?
I'm not even sure what your point even is at this point. My response to the bread and butter of the issue in this thread, where you accused me of having a pitchfork out:
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Because four different people (five if you include myself) asked for the source code at various points over the last week and have had no response nor source code, despite the author responding in the thread to other questions.
Or, read the mod edit in the first post that explains the thread is closed pending investigation.
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Failing to see a lack of reason, any overzealousness or anything other than pointing out the facts here. Fact: Thread was closed for showing to be in breach of the GPL.
So unless you're suggesting we get 12 of his good and true peers into a skype conference, you're talking out of your arse.
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Hacre, I understand you are proud of what you do with your kernel, however, your attitude needs improving. You openly pick on another dev, when his thread is locked, it's like kicking someone in the balls after he is already down from someone else's punch, and being proud of it. I don't care how good your kernel is, or how great a person you are, you really need to grow up.
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Show me where I am "picking on him".
There is no need for this thread. The kernel thread is under investigation for GPL issues. Thread closed.

I'm Just Saying...

No Offense to Anyone in particular but I've been seeing Alot of threads Knocking Developers Roms... Now in My Opinion the Only way Anyone has the Right to say Anything is... If you can Cook your Own Rom up! Until then, Give them a Break guys there doing it for Free for Everyone to use!!!
good point. Many think rom development is like washing a car..little bit of this little bit of that..dry off. First build the damn car, test to make sure it runs...then wash it..and poeple still tell you the car is dirty!!! sheesh...
I have never personally knocked someone's work, but one problem I see are ROM "chefs". Not only do they know nothing about Android's framework, but don't know any programming language enough to write their own code. They are taking bits and pieces of other peoples work and pasting in, and calling it theirs', and calling it new. Hence the term chef. That really doesn't add anything to the community, it is also unethical in my opinion.
Testified.
PMGRANDS said:
No Offense to Anyone in particular but I've been seeing Alot of threads Knocking Developers Roms... Now in My Opinion the Only way Anyone has the Right to say Anything is... If you can Cook your Own Rom up! Until then, Give them a Break guys there doing it for Free for Everyone to use!!!
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Sad Panda said:
I have never personally knocked someone's work, but one problem I see are ROM "chefs". Not only do they know nothing about Android's framework, but don't know any programming language enough to write their own code. They are taking bits and pieces of other peoples work and pasting in, and calling it theirs', and calling it new. Hence the term chef. That really doesn't add anything to the community, it is also unethical in my opinion.
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This. Most of the XDA twelve year olds don't know that. The OP of their favorite colored ROM is a god like "developer" to them, when in reality they are just wizards at cut, copy, paste, zip, unzip, ASCII images, ****ty changelogs, etc...
I said most though, not all. And I agree, they all put hard work into it, so appreciate it or just stay quiet and move on.
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Couldn't agree more.
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Sad Panda said:
I have never personally knocked someone's work, but one problem I see are ROM "chefs". Not only do they know nothing about Android's framework, but don't know any programming language enough to write their own code. They are taking bits and pieces of other peoples work and pasting in, and calling it theirs', and calling it new. Hence the term chef. That really doesn't add anything to the community, it is also unethical in my opinion.
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I gotta agree with this. There's very little "development" happening, and a lot of "cooking" happening. We need to have two separate sections. One for actual home grown roms, and one for things made in a kitchen.
I don't eat copypasta
I'm okay with some of the cooks as they add another element to let users find more combinations of roms bc not all the ones hard dev'd have everything you want or sometimes you would like to add a certain customization from another rom.
Now as long as proper credit is given in the OP all is good. Android is open source and sharing moss is what its all about. I personally don't think you should even ask to use polar mode long as u give the proper credit to them to begin with.
The issue I have is when people cook a ROM and then give zero credit to anyone claiming they did everything.
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PMGRANDS said:
No Offense to Anyone in particular but I've been seeing Alot of threads Knocking Developers Roms... Now in My Opinion the Only way Anyone has the Right to say Anything is... If you can Cook your Own Rom up! Until then, Give them a Break guys there doing it for Free for Everyone to use!!!
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Well its hard to say good rom to someone if their rom is buggy. We have to post feedback and let them know if there's any bugs. Not to be harsh and say your rom sucks but to say this, this and this doesn't work.
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gmfeny said:
Well its hard to say good rom to someone if their rom is buggy. We have to post feedback and let them know if there's any bugs. Not to be harsh and say your rom sucks but to say this, this and this doesn't work.
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agree. this is another reason why chefs are kinda annoying. they can't really provide support on a rom because they didnt make it. and with all those things pasted in it's harder to find whats making the problem.
ummm... i haven't seen one thread on here created to specifically slam or complain about a rom.
BUT that being said, i still have seen a lot of complaining about other crap... it gets old. there is no purpose in starting a thread simply to complain. it contributes nothing to anybody else.
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I don't eat copypasta
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sgt. slaughter said:
I'm okay with some of the cooks as they add another element to let users find more combinations of roms bc not all the ones hard dev'd have everything you want or sometimes you would like to add a certain customization from another rom.
Now as long as proper credit is given in the OP all is good. Android is open source and sharing moss is what its all about. I personally don't think you should even ask to use polar mode long as u give the proper credit to them to begin with.
The issue I have is when people cook a ROM and then give zero credit to anyone claiming they did everything.
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Yeah, I agree. Open source is fantastic, and frankly as I see it nearly everything should be open source. But like you said just because we develop something and open the source to be read, used, improved, etc does not mean it is at all ok to call it yours, or take my license agreement, or source citing out so you can be the cool developer who took features from 5 roms to give people what they want. That is no different than stealing my patio furniture that is left out and I let other people sit in, ****ing bastards!
The thing with open source, if I can use an analogy to describe my thoughts and personal feelings:
Scientists will study and develop experiments that help prove something or develop a new technological process, or invent something new will keep things to themselves during the initial startup but soon after the entire community knows what they are working on, their journals are made public, their papers are published to be critiqued, reviewed, improved upon. Sources are always made to stay, and credit is given and kept through every part, and every future discovery. If we didn't have this technological advances would be slow as balls.
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agree. this is another reason why chefs are kinda annoying. they can't really provide support on a rom because they didnt make it. and with all those things pasted in it's harder to find whats making the problem.
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Another perfect point. How do you support and fix bugs if it isn't yours and have no idea what you are doing?
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ummm... i haven't seen one thread on here created to specifically slam or complain about a rom.
BUT that being said, i still have seen a lot of complaining about other crap... it gets old. there is no purpose in starting a thread simply to complain. it contributes nothing to anybody else.
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Thats what I Meant...
Not that people actually start a Thread to Bash a ROM, but they Might as Well after Reading there Posts! Lol...
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I don't eat copypasta
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PMGRANDS said:
No Offense to Anyone in particular but I've been seeing Alot of threads Knocking Developers Roms... Now in My Opinion the Only way Anyone has the Right to say Anything is... If you can Cook your Own Rom up! Until then, Give them a Break guys there doing it for Free for Everyone to use!!!
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Don't kid yourself. All it takes is roughly 20 minutes to set up and build your first ROM. It requires no skill, no college degree, and no unearthly talent. Virtually anyone could do it.
While it does take a bit more knowledge to port things over, the end result is always lackluster and very much lacks in the "I_need_a_working_stable_phone_where_all_things_included_with_it_actually_work_as_described" category. There's nothing more annoying than needing your phone at a particular time only to discover that one of a few things are happening:
-your phone has managed to lock up
-your phone is in the middle of a random reboot
-your phone has a missing feature that doesn't work because of the ROM you're using
I suppose all the ridiculous disclaimers (who's seriously going to go after a person for not having one?) try and warn you, but the cute taglines trump the disclaimer anyway.
There are few development projects going on. However, there are plenty of "let me try and frankenROM a bunch of crap together, throw it into a cute thread with a tagline indicating that it's a work in progress and that there are nightlies."
Judging by the number of replies these threads get, you can deduct the following:
-the average person on XDA doesn't have a smartphone for it to work properly.
-the average person on XDA enjoys interacting with other people on a thread even though it's mainly a bunch of back and forth replies that are limited to such wording as "yeah, ___ is broken for me too", " _insert_app_here doesn't work properly and fcs a lot"
I don't know about you, but I'm not the average XDA person and I most definitely enjoy having a working phone, so with that said--Stock ROM with modifications is all that's required to satisfy me.
To be honest, there isn't anything exciting going on aside from chad's kernel development.
This is not directed at any one person, and the true developers know that this isn't about them. Quite frankly, we need this type of work going on because it pushes the envelope and tells companies like HTC that we won't settle for less and know damn well that it's possible to push our phones further than they would have us think. Which is why sometimes, HTC gets caught with their pants down and are forced to give in. EVO 4G fps fix anyone? So I do appreciate all types of work that goes on here at XDA. But there will always be a small percentage that are in it for the internet fame (and they seem to get it quite frequently) and really bring nothing to the table except a bringing together of various other people's works.
freeza said:
Don't kid yourself. All it takes is roughly 20 minutes to set up and build your first ROM. It requires no skill, no college degree, and no unearthly talent. Virtually anyone could do it.
While it does take a bit more knowledge to port things over, the end result is always lackluster and very much lacks in the "I_need_a_working_stable_phone_where_all_things_included_with_it_actually_work_as_described" category. There's nothing more annoying than needing your phone at a particular time only to discover that one of a few things are happening:
-your phone has managed to lock up
-your phone is in the middle of a random reboot
-your phone has a missing feature that doesn't work because of the ROM you're using
I suppose all the ridiculous disclaimers (who's seriously going to go after a person for not having one?) try and warn you, but the cute taglines trump the disclaimer anyway.
There are few development projects going on. However, there are plenty of "let me try and frankenROM a bunch of crap together, throw it into a cute thread with a tagline indicating that it's a work in progress and that there are nightlies."
Judging by the number of replies these threads get, you can deduct the following:
-the average person on XDA doesn't have a smartphone for it to work properly.
-the average person on XDA enjoys interacting with other people on a thread even though it's mainly a bunch of back and forth replies that are limited to such wording as "yeah, ___ is broken for me too", " _insert_app_here doesn't work properly and fcs a lot"
I don't know about you, but I'm not the average XDA person and I most definitely enjoy having a working phone, so with that said--Stock ROM with modifications is all that's required to satisfy me.
To be honest, there isn't anything exciting going on aside from chad's kernel development.
This is not directed at any one person, and the true developers know that this isn't about them. Quite frankly, we need this type of work going on because it pushes the envelope and tells companies like HTC that we won't settle for less and know damn well that it's possible to push our phones further than they would have us think. Which is why sometimes, HTC gets caught with their pants down and are forced to give in. EVO 4G fps fix anyone? So I do appreciate all types of work that goes on here at XDA. But there will always be a small percentage that are in it for the internet fame (and they seem to get it quite frequently) and really bring nothing to the table except a bringing together of various other people's works.
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Testify!!!!!

A Little Explanation and Clarification for CM9

It has come to my attention that a few people have been misunderstanding a few recent posts by myself. This is post is to clear the waters up a bit and to explain my position as a developer here on XDA.
As many of you guys know, we're probably the most lively "dead" device on XDA. At least in my opinion that is. We have been through a lot as a community but we still manage to survive. But recently things have been getting a little tense.
I received this device last summer like most of you have. When I got it, I immediately started figuring out how to get CM7 on it. Problem is that it was my first Android phone and with all the ways that Motorola locked it down I had a lot to learn and no time to learn it. After I learned off and on how to get things working on the X2 during the NO free time I had last fall I cranked out a pretty much solid CM7 in a week.
Now for the explanation for CM9/ICS. Most people probably think that since I could crank out CM7 so fast that I would be able to do the same with CM9 and make it just as good and amazing as CM7. Although I had it booted on the first build, it was FULL of errors and the touch screen didn't even work. ICS and CM9 is definitely not as easy as CM7. CM7 was already a year and a half in the making and had most of the problems worked out on all the devices that when it finally came time for us, it would just as smooth as butter as soon as it was booted. CM9 hasn't had time to develop into a "smooth" ROM for most devices; especially non-official like ours. The code for the touchscreen to work wasn't even in CM9 on my first build, for example. The problems for CM9/ICS can be narrowed down to a few things:
Graphics Memory
No Official ICS
Kernel Improvements
Graphics Memory and No Official ICS: Due to the way that ICS handles the way it puts stuff on our screen we run into Video RAM (VRAM) problems on our device. Basically the routines that control it are expecting the memory to be mapped (stored) in a certain way in VRAM. On a device that has ICS officially, this isn't as big as a problem as the proprietary files (props) are coded to respond to those requests and mappings and as such run smoother. If a device doesn't have ICS, most it usually has a similar device in which props can be pulled and ran accordingly.
This is not the case for Tegra 2 phones as no Tegra 2 device has official ICS. In fact the Tegra kernel (just looked this up) is only at 2.6.34-rc3 officially and have a 3.1.10 kernel in developement (Motorola can update it again to .35 if they wish to do so like for the ATRIX). Because of the lack of an official Tegra 2 kernel for Linux 3.X, and likewise the props for such kernel, we can't have props that handle the requests the system is asking for. And even if another phone gets updated, we're locked and stuck, so It doesn't matter either way. This means that VRAM problems will probably always be there and that there is nothing that I can do for it. Best thing I can hope for (and this is slowly making it's way through CM9) is that the code in CM9 is updated to allow us to handle the VRAM differently like in CM7/GB.
Kernel Improvements: The kernel (that's supposed to be) for ICS is 3.0 or higher. This includes changes in memory as stated above, touchscreen handling, device interaction with the kernel and many others. That being said, we don't have those improvements thus causing problems. These include memory as stated above, touchscreen not working (obviously fixed), data usage not working, data monitoring not working, and a few various ways other routines to draw to the screen and handle other things (such as why Chrome is picky). Some of these can be backported (downgraded) to our kernel with mixed results.
Problem is they have to be complied with our kernel and must match the kernel version in every way. That is why the kernel check is in CM7 and CM9. I can slowly work through implementing these routines through drivers known as kernel modules (mods). I have made mods for data usage (with a few issues) and another one (which not sure what it's supposed to do yet). I cannot (as in it's impossible) write them to change the memory handling. If I could even build them the kernel won't let me load them due to routines of same name fighting for control.
Think of it like the phone is a car and you and your friend are in the front (the kernel routines) and you have the exact same name. Meanwhile, you have another friend in the back (the OS). The OS says, "Hey Routines Named the Same, grab the wheel and turn turn left!" You would turn it to your left, but your friend (the other routine) has a different view of what left is and instead wants to go to your right. Obviously some problems arise.
Regarding the Soft Keys Issue: I know a few of you guys are a little upset regrading the fact that I won't add the soft keys in there by default. I have a justifiable reason behind not adding them: our phone already has buttons.
Our phone was designed to have hardware buttons that separate from the screen. Adding more buttons to the screen for buttons that already exist is not advantageous. It also unnecessarily takes up screen space that makes our phone our phone. Now you may be thinking, "Well the GNex has the soft keys on the screen..." You are correct. But the screen itself has actually been extended (as in a non-standard physical height) to accommodate for the soft keys and also has no hardware buttons for the menu and home, etc. In fact! The Nexus S (a still HIGHLY developed for, supported device and previous "Google Phone") doesn't even have the soft keys enabled from the software directly available from Google themselves.
With that being said, XDA user csking33 has made the option of softkeys available to the public should you choose to enable it. He has it working on the current Alpha 4 and I look forward to him getting them working on Alpha 5 when I release it. You can download it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1727680.
That is just a short (believe me when I say it's short) explanation as to why ICS is just a FUN FUN FUN thing to work with.
Personal Problems (I have a lot): This is not meant to be a whine-a-thon, more of an explanation of why I can't be as dedicated as I'd like to be. I have explained why ICS is a pain, I'm here to give you a brief rundown as to why I (personally) can't just make things work. I am a student studying Aerospace Engineering (not Computer Science or whatever else). It has kept me so insanely busy that I can't even begin to describe how much little time I have. I spend all day at school and all night doing the homework for it. I was lucky (once) when my Flight Structures II homework only took 5 hours to do. With so many long homework assignments and group projects it's a miracle I even survive. Next semester will be worse because now I have to actually design and build a model plane from scratch that does whatever my professors says it has to do. This is includes the whole design, approval process, building, testing, breaking, fixing, getting approved again, get it flown, doing it's mission and presenting our project. All that on top of the homework I have to do.
Whenever I do get free time during the day, I try to spend it with my girlfriend and/or friends or (if it's a few days) I go to visit my family (this weekend I am, for example). Family and friends have always a top priority of mine since forever and I won't let a phone be the reason why I don't see them IF I see them. In fact the donation money you guys have supported me with is going to get new tires for my car before I go visit my family. It has also bought me spare batteries and cables for when I really mess things up.
After all this is said and done, I stay up to 4 am working on the phone so that you guys can have a semi-legitimate Android experience. I do it because I want to and because we as a community deserve it.
It saddens me to know that I'm (essentially) the only one left working on the X2. Others pop their head in every once and awhile to help or to do what they want and that is GREAT. I love it. I'm always more than willing to help others out if they ask. And all they have to do is ask. PM me here on XDA, join me in the IRC or tweet me on Twitter. I'll be sure to get to it eventually.
TL;DR:
CM9/ICS will be unstable for as long as I can see in the future. There is not much I can do.
No I won't enable soft keys, there is no point in a default build. See the post if you wish to enable them.
I'm a really, really busy man but I do what I can. You guys have helped tremendously in supporting my work and helping me live a little easier
Thanks for the explanation. At this point I guess all we can do is hope that someone at Motorola feels sorry for us and leaks us some goodies. I bet with the unlocked goodness ICS would scream on this phone, even with it's less-than-optimal amount of RAM.
I just want to personally thank you for everything you have done with this phone. I still use CM7 as my daily driver and love it despite the Wifi and the root issues and will continue to use it until I say F you to Motorola and get a different phone a little more dev friendly.
You are doing a great job keeping the DX2 afloat. If you can get ICS in this phone you'll have a very bright future ahead of you. I wish you the best of luck but I don't think you need it
I don't know anything about developing, modding or themes and I won't imagine how hard it must be to do what you have done for the DX2. For that and more: Thank You! Im sure we'll be happy to throw a dollar or two your way.. it's the least we can do. :good:
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you say no tegra2 has i c s
what about xoom?
was just asking in case that could give you done ideas
good luck DZK, keep killing it
I'm glad you came out with this post. I have had this phone since last summer like you and since then I have used both of your ROMs and have followed your work. Mainly because there are not very many developers still developing for this phone. Lol. I think a lot of people needed to hear this. you don't come in here that much and are not very active in the forums. Not that it's your fault or anything. we all know that you're busy. But people are used to regular updates. Even if they are just verbal ones. So when a dev takes their time and no one hears anything, they don't understand. Most of us in here explain your situation when someone comes in here asking about stuff. We are all grateful for what you have given us so far and the things that are coming down the road. Without you there would be no development for this phone. As much as everyone would like to believe, we all know you are not just some guy sitting behind a desk all day working for us. By the sound of it, it looks like school is going to be getting a lot more busy for you which means less updates for us. By the time you get around to developing again for this phone I may have moved on to another. Just want to say again. Thanks :good:
also just wanted to add that I'm surprised you felt the need to explain yourself, pretty stand up thing to do,
i would HOPE no one gives you guff for having a real life with , priorities, but then again this is x d a haha
this is something you do for fun, we all should realize that, and it's awesome that you have gotten as far as you have
keep plugging away bro (at real life)
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also just wanted to add that I'm surprised you felt the need to explain yourself, pretty stand up thing to do,
i would HOPE no one gives you guff for having a real life with , priorities, but then again this is x d a haha
this is something you do for fun, we all should realize that, and it's awesome that you have gotten as far as you have
keep plugging away bro (at real life)
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I would think this is more for the newcomers here that don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Have you SEEN the kind of things people ask him on twitter? Lol
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ashclepdia said:
also just wanted to add that I'm surprised you felt the need to explain yourself, pretty stand up thing to do,
i would HOPE no one gives you guff for having a real life with , priorities, but then again this is x d a haha
this is something you do for fun, we all should realize that, and it's awesome that you have gotten as far as you have
keep plugging away bro (at real life)
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I'm not a dev, but I am a project manager who works very closely with them, on very large scale deployments. Something that has always impressed me about you Bryan, is your prioritization and time management. Knowing where to focus energy in order to achieve maximum result, especially when strapped with limited resources, is a skill not as common as one might think--you've got it in spades.
I guarantee when you enter the work force, it's going to be something that sets you apart from a group of otherwise smart guys. Project managers and directors will LOVE you for that skill set.
That being said, thanks for giving us a portion of a sorely needed resource, it's appreciated.
DK you are the man! Thanks for everything!!! You and nitro saved the x2 without you two the x2 would be crap! Family is always first. Good luck with everything!
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ashclepdia said:
also just wanted to add that I'm surprised you felt the need to explain yourself, pretty stand up thing to do,
i would HOPE no one gives you guff for having a real life with , priorities, but then again this is x d a haha
this is something you do for fun, we all should realize that, and it's awesome that you have gotten as far as you have
keep plugging away bro (at real life)
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Edit: I can't believe the asterisks...lol
**** whoever said what, ungrateful bastard!
Life first, just include Android in it
You are the miracle maker dragonzkiller, if anyone ever says less keep your head high and **** em...never a need to explain.
Keep doing what your doing, it rocks!!!
Ps sorry bout the language, it's a Jersey thing...lol
DROID DOES, Apple did...like I forgot when
I'm with the others, it's always nice to hear what's what, but you should never have felt it any kind of explanation was owed to us.
Even if you suddenly had to put it all to the side permanently, you'll always have my gratitude.
Droid X2 > Eclipse 2.2.1 > Tapatalk
Cheers DZK!! Thanks for your time which is not owed to anyone. Side projects are good esp. when going into difficult job fields. The distractions are going to be what keeps you going. Best of luck to you!
I do wonder now though if it makes more sense to continue to tweak CM7 than CM9.
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I would think this is more for the newcomers here that don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Have you SEEN the kind of things people ask him on twitter? Lol
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i don't think i HAVE seen what is said to him in twitter...Hope it ain't some crazy crap
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Hey just want to stop in and say thanks for the work you do on this phone. And I agree with the what others have said you don't owe us anything we are just greatful with what ever time we can steal from you.
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Look, thanks every and as such. For those of you who think that I have to explain myself, I pretty much do. A lot of you guys know the basics behind what it is I'm dealing with, but don't KNOW. If that makes any sense. I really enjoy working on this device and working with the community. I know it seems like I might get snappy sometimes or I'm short with my answers, but please just keep in mind that I have a lot of things on my plate and that I mean well.
Someone pointed out that the XOOM is running a Tegra 2. I did forget that fact, however even with that being the case, it has helped us very little in our endeavors. In fact it's still on 2.6.35 if I remember correctly and the props are still designed with that in mind. However it is still an updated kernel to work with ICS and such still causes some problems.
DZK, man I appreciate all your efforts! I don' t have the plate you do to deal with but I can surely understand where you are coming from.
I do believe that the majority of the community appreciates tremendously what you do for us, and the ones that can't be patient and understand well they can just flip off!
Thanks man!
Dragonzkiller you have done so much for this community and our X2. Would you be interested in a 2 month old PERFECT condition Dinc2? At least you would get a phone with official ICS and it actually already does since UKB is using the official kernel from the China released OTA. Its a great phone with great battery life just a smaller screen. You have done so much for us I would be happy to hook you up with a great deal. One I won't be able to tell my wife about lol
DZK, I too am an engineering student currently, and I fully understand what you are/will be dealing with. Free time is something we engineering students don't have the luxury to afford
With that being said, I truly appreciate what you have done in the development of this phone and how much time you have devoted to doing so. Keep your head high and let the haters hate.
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Dragonzkiller you have done so much for this community and our X2. Would you be interested in a 2 month old PERFECT condition Dinc2? At least you would get a phone with official ICS and it actually already does since UKB is using the official kernel from the China released OTA. Its a great phone with great battery life just a smaller screen. You have done so much for us I would be happy to hook you up with a great deal. One I won't be able to tell my wife about lol
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HEY!!! I see what you're trying to do! Quit trying to kang our dev for the Dinc2 community!!!
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OaT's Light n Tasty - the master Chef! R.I.P :(

Just a quick note of thanks to OaT for his superior builds and the sadness he's now discontinued them .
I was first in line of the hungry hoards who insatiably devoured every mouthwatering release - from LnT_Beats to Linaro experimental builds, and to my shame never got a word of thanks or feedback out to the master chef! Unfortunately this pattern of general behaviour I believe contributed to the demise of this coveted build.
I tried a number of times to feedback on OaT's threads but was blocked by forum rules (hadn't hit the 10 x post threshold) and frustrated by this it was easy not to make the effort and feedback on this fine ROM. Apologies for this!
Nevertheless, OaT releases won't be forgotten, and my sincere thanks for his superb efforts on a thoroughly enjoyable and expert release.
Cheers,
P
I'm going to get eaten alive for saying this, but I think the whole quitting due to not receiving thanks was a bit childish... He knew people liked his ROM, mostly by the number of people he knew downloaded his ROM... If he wanted to quit for personal reasons then whatever, that's all good, it's his life. Just, I don't really get the importance of a thank you button on a message board.
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Certain people just get a rush out of being able to show other devs how many "thanks" they have. It's the same as like-whores on facebook.
He wanted feedback on the ROM as well, not just thanks.
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He wanted feedback on the ROM as well, not just thanks.
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What bananagranola just said is the biggest reason the man pulled the ROM.... Just as most users here are too lazy to search before asking questions... they're too lazy to fulfill the development request for feedback so he can make the ROM that THEY like using better... and those same people whining about the links being pulled are the same ones that conveniently forget to remember that's why he pulled links... not for the THANKS but for THEIR lack of ability to provide a simple request
For anyone with several devices can see... this is happening all over xda... the devs are tiring of the leeches that download and then simply whine and complain when things aren't all roses with their devices
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cdzo72 said:
What bananagranola just said is the biggest reason the man pulled the ROM.... Just as most users here are too lazy to search before asking questions... they're too lazy to fulfill the development request for feedback so he can make the ROM that THEY like using better... and those same people whining about the links being pulled are the same ones that conveniently forget to remember that's why he pulled links... not for the THANKS but for THEIR lack of ability to provide a simple request
For anyone with several devices can see... this is happening all over xda... the devs are tiring of the leeches that download and then simply whine and complain when things aren't all roses with their devices
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I said my thanks, and never complained. I didn't provide much feedback, because to me, it just felt like complaining and I knew I didn't have that right. Oh well, water under the bridge now... RIP touchpad for now. These days remind me of when bumblebee stopped supporting lg v500. Development died for months and I ended up selling the thing due to it.
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If this thread turns into a big arguing pit, I'll close this too. Please keep your posts civil and don't start arguments.
Noellenchris
Is the TP on its last Android leg?
It doesn't bear discussion as to the "why" OaT took down the ROM. It was a personal decision made by an individual for whatever rationale he/she determined was in their best interest to have a happy life. I have to respect that if I want others to respect my discussion and decisions as well. Many thanks for the time and effort that OaT put forward, but I'm not sure where to go from here.
The TouchPad isn't going to move forward. It's a static technology that HP as a manufacturer isn't going to come back to. At least not in its current incarnation. HP is coming back to the tablet world - just not at this moment, and not with WebOS. If you read the news, HP will be back in this space with Win 8 and tablets in the future.
Tech doesn't stand still, and as people's interests change on a non-standard / open sourced product - it's lifecycle is only determined by the people able to move it forward, and the demand people are placing on a limited supply item.
Reading the writing on the walls, the HP TouchPad is reaching the end of its (Android) life - for better or worse. Now it's up to those of us who own the TouchPad to determine just how long to hang onto it before moving on. Do you settle on a latest release of CM9, or hope that someone pushes CM10 forward and gets audio, HD video and all the other bells and whistles to the point of CM9? (Let's just all assume the camera is the great white whale for devs.)
It's only after the death of an artist that the world mourns their contributions. With OaT dropping out - I don't know where to put my focus. I don't know which devs are still around working diligently on CM10 versus the crew working on CM9.
--McBean
bananagranola said:
He wanted feedback on the ROM as well, not just thanks.
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cdzo72 said:
What bananagranola just said is the biggest reason the man pulled the ROM.... Just as most users here are too lazy to search before asking questions... they're too lazy to fulfill the development request for feedback so he can make the ROM that THEY like using better... and those same people whining about the links being pulled are the same ones that conveniently forget to remember that's why he pulled links... not for the THANKS but for THEIR lack of ability to provide a simple request
For anyone with several devices can see... this is happening all over xda... the devs are tiring of the leeches that download and then simply whine and complain when things aren't all roses with their devices
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I'll try to make it official and clear here. The primary reason for me discontinuing development and pulling the links was the lack of feedback on the new Beats Audio in the new LnTBA. I don't have the hifi sound equipment to test that, and with 60 year old ears that are only able to hear middle range sounds, I'm not sure even if I did I would be able to tell if the new BA was an improvement or not.
The lack of feedback when specifically asked for, even initially when I asked for testers when I began to consider publishing the ROM, has been a real disappointment. In fact I initially expanded my testers list from ~20 to ~40 because of people asking me to 'please' let them test and 'promising' feedback. In the end I got at most a handful of thoughtful responses.
So in this last round where I requested feedback on LnTBA, I set the bar pretty low the day I posted it; I told myself if I only got 1 response when the download count reached 100 or more that would be enough, understanding that not everyone flashes as soon as they download. Ultimately there were ~250 downloads of LnTBA within ~24 hours of it being posted. Still, there was not one response, "none, zero, nada"!
In regards to the lack of folks hitting the "thanks" button, it should be obvious that if that were the real reason to discontinue development I would have stopped publishing the ROMs long ago.
Let me end on a somewhat positive note saying I do not know if or when I will restart publishing, after all the thread says "discontinued" and not for example "abandoned" in the CM sense. But rest assured development on my end for TPad is certainly still continuing. In fact I had the first bit of progress on sound for JB last night/today.
O.a.T. said:
Let me end on a somewhat positive note saying I do not know if or when I will restart publishing, after all the thread says "discontinued" and not for example "abandoned" in the CM sense. But rest assured development on my end for TPad is certainly still continuing. In fact I had the first bit of progress on sound for JB last night/today.
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OaT, that's awesome!
I do respect your decision to pull your ROMs due to lack of feedback. It goes back to something I say almost every day... If I don't know there's a problem, I can't fix it. I'm trying to get my 10 posts in so, hopefully, when/if you do make another release, I am able to provide input in the dev forum.
O.a.T. said:
I'll try to make it official and clear here. The primary reason for me discontinuing development and pulling the links was the lack of feedback on the new Beats Audio in the new LnTBA. I don't have the hifi sound equipment to test that, and with 60 year old ears that are only able to hear middle range sounds, I'm not sure even if I did I would be able to tell if the new BA was an improvement or not.
The lack of feedback when specifically asked for, even initially when I asked for testers when I began to consider publishing the ROM, has been a real disappointment. In fact I initially expanded my testers list from ~20 to ~40 because of people asking me to 'please' let them test and 'promising' feedback. In the end I got at most a handful of thoughtful responses.
So in this last round where I requested feedback on LnTBA, I set the bar pretty low the day I posted it; I told myself if I only got 1 response when the download count reached 100 or more that would be enough, understanding that not everyone flashes as soon as they download. Ultimately there were ~250 downloads of LnTBA within ~24 hours of it being posted. Still, there was not one response, "none, zero, nada"!
In regards to the lack of folks hitting the "thanks" button, it should be obvious that if that were the real reason to discontinue development I would have stopped publishing the ROMs long ago.
Let me end on a somewhat positive note saying I do not know if or when I will restart publishing, after all the thread says "discontinued" and not for example "abandoned" in the CM sense. But rest assured development on my end for TPad is certainly still continuing. In fact I had the first bit of progress on sound for JB last night/today.
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This is unbelievably great news. Many people like your Roms and have great experiances with them. As you said I don't flash right away. i dont have alot of time to play with my touchpad so when I get around to it, all the issues that I have seen are usually already posted. Plus I'm not a heavy user of so I dont see many of the issues.
As far as Beats Audio, I've only flashed it on my LG revolution and it made it worse. Otherwise if a Rom has it in it for the touchpad I haven't noticed. I also don't use audio that much. I'm basically explaining that I do like your ROMs but i think my feedback might not make an impact.
OaT the TP God
O.a.T. said:
I'll try to make it official and clear here. The primary reason for me discontinuing development and pulling the links was the lack of feedback on the new Beats Audio in the new LnTBA. I don't have the hifi sound equipment to test that, and with 60 year old ears that are only able to hear middle range sounds, I'm not sure even if I did I would be able to tell if the new BA was an improvement or not.
The lack of feedback when specifically asked for, even initially when I asked for testers when I began to consider publishing the ROM, has been a real disappointment. In fact I initially expanded my testers list from ~20 to ~40 because of people asking me to 'please' let them test and 'promising' feedback. In the end I got at most a handful of thoughtful responses.
So in this last round where I requested feedback on LnTBA, I set the bar pretty low the day I posted it; I told myself if I only got 1 response when the download count reached 100 or more that would be enough, understanding that not everyone flashes as soon as they download. Ultimately there were ~250 downloads of LnTBA within ~24 hours of it being posted. Still, there was not one response, "none, zero, nada"!
In regards to the lack of folks hitting the "thanks" button, it should be obvious that if that were the real reason to discontinue development I would have stopped publishing the ROMs long ago.
Let me end on a somewhat positive note saying I do not know if or when I will restart publishing, after all the thread says "discontinued" and not for example "abandoned" in the CM sense. But rest assured development on my end for TPad is certainly still continuing. In fact I had the first bit of progress on sound for JB last night/today.
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OaT,
I was out of town during that release (in Alaska, no internet), and I don't use BA at all, ever. I think it's a gimmick. I will say that your 829 build is amazing, and probably the best OS I have used on any tablet ever.
I don't agree with your decision to pull all your roms. It IS your decision, but I know hundreds of TP users out there (most probably lurkers that don't even post on XDA) have benefited from your superior roms, and it seems like helping people in the future (or even just currently) would be the "right" thing to do.
Thank you for:
A) Your roms
B) The explanation of your sudden disappearance
C) Giving us some hope for the future
D) Continuing your development
I can understand your frustrations about testers. Doing a bunch of work and not getting feedback can be a real drag. I'll try to be more vocal in the future. Hell, I'll start right now.
The 829 build is GREAT. The battery lasts forever. I have been getting occasional FCs here and there, in particular the holo launcher is DOA on this build. Apex works great (as usual), I don't really like GO launcher. I think it's kind of a mess. This is my daily driver now because the battery is so much better than the 819 JB build. Google Now voice input doesn't work at all for me (using OaT gapps 429). The rest of Google Now works great.
Feel free to let me know if you need more testing with something specific, but don't expect it too quickly. I'm married, new baby, play in a band, and have a full time IT job. I will get to it late at night on Thursdays or Sunday afternoon though, if I can.
Rhy
I for one am guilty as charged in the "no feedback" issue, my bad. I've used and enjoyed your roms and most definitely should have participated in helping squash the bugs. Sorry buddy. On another note though, the stupid rom is just so damn solid I really had nothing to say I would kinda feel like a whiner if I mentioned the occasional fc. I am still amazed that this old webos tablet can even run android, let alone run it well.
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ItsDon said:
I for one am guilty as charged in the "no feedback" issue, my bad. I've used and enjoyed your roms and most definitely should have participated in helping squash the bugs. Sorry buddy. On another note though, the stupid rom is just so damn solid I really had nothing to say I would kinda feel like a whiner if I mentioned the occasional fc. I am still amazed that this old webos tablet can even run android, let alone run it well.
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Have to echo ItsDon. I don't feedback much either because the thing works so damn well. Thanks again OaT.
OaT, your ROM is the best.
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As for me, I am a newb for xda, not a lurker, and couldn't post feedback on the dev section til I got the requirements done. Something like that.
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hanjosep said:
As for me, I am a newb for xda, not a lurker, and couldn't post feedback on the dev section til I got the requirements done. Something like that.
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I. for one, could not leave feedback because I didn't have enough posts. They should remove this requirement from the forum because I think many people can't leave feedback because of this requirement. Some people (including myself) don't like posting random comments to increase their posts and want to get to the point.
Regardless, thanks for everything you've done so far OaT.
Sad to see that on a weekend when I don't check up on OAT thread I miss out on an update. As far as beats feedback goes off the top of my head I ran with the beats build of 7/06 and 7/29. Before that I ran the standard version of 6/03. On a whim I switched over to the non beats version of 7/29 and never looked back. I believe I stuck to the standard version of 7/29 because overall audio clarity seemed to be better on the standard. Easiest way for me to say that is at equal volume the standard seemed louder? Again this was from memory, the testing was conducting in the best setting, and I wasn't trying that hard. In all honesty I think what I was trying to see if there would be a significant difference between the two and if there was I would keep my preferred version. Since I'm running the 7/29 non beats still I assume I found no significant difference. I would like to add that I found no difference even in webos with beats on or off.
This is too little too late, but this has been my personal experience. I used Audio Technica CKS77 iems. Thank you for all you have done OAT, your light n tasty philosophy was something I really appreciated when I was looking at roms and was what made pick your rom first. I never bothered to try the rest
Legion021 said:
I. for one, could not leave feedback because I didn't have enough posts. They should remove this requirement from the forum because I think many people can't leave feedback because of this requirement. Some people (including myself) don't like posting random comments to increase their posts and want to get to the point.
Regardless, thanks for everything you've done so far OaT.
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I second that. And the "thanks" button does not show until you make your first post. I went crazy trying to find it.
It's just sad that I never cared for oat's roms until now that he disappeared. I also don't think it's fair that a small portion of people were able to download the latest build and others were not. In case someone has the latest build and it didn't break any rules and disrespect the developer then please share.
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