Wow... the specs on the Nexus 7 Tablet by Google (built by ASUS) are incredible. It comes with Jelly Bean (Android 4.1, successor to ICS). 1280x800 display. Quad-core CPU. I don't mean to be an ungrateful dic<, but the pace of development for the Nook Color Tablet just hasn't been as fast as I've enjoyed for all of the other Android devices I've owned (Motorola Droid-X; Samsung Droid Charge; Motorola Razr MAXX). The Nexus 7 is going to sell for $200.00. I think I'm going to see if Craigslist can turn my Nook into a hundred bux and I'll move to up to a device that is ready for primetime now.
No SD card slot = I don't give a **** about it.
Seriously, move on to another device if you want, no need to bring it in here.
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Wow... the specs on the Nexus 7 Tablet by Google (built by ASUS) are incredible. It comes with Jelly Bean (Android 4.1, successor to ICS). 1280x800 display. Quad-core CPU. I don't mean to be an ungrateful dic<, but the pace of development for the Nook Color Tablet just hasn't been as fast...
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Sadly, or happily, sounds like the Nexus 7 is the answer to a lot of Devs who wanted ICS on an awesome piece of cheap hardware. I know I'm thinking about diving in for one to play with.
No SD slot, though, that's a bummer.
I want to buy it so badly and sell my Nook.
But jesus christ the top/bottom bezels are atrocious. Not to mention it likely does not have an sdcard slot.
Welp.
Jelly Bean updates are cool though.
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SoonerLater said:
but the pace of development for the Nook Color Tablet just hasn't been as fast as I've enjoyed for all of the other Android devices I've owned (Motorola Droid-X; Samsung Droid Charge; Motorola Razr MAXX).
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The device for this forum does not have color in its name. The Nook Color had tons of development for over a year and continues to have it. The Droid Charge had minimal development as it was not a very popular phone and the maxx....well its a locked motorola phone, yippee.
With that said, the minimal development you see here is the fault of B&N IMO. If they had released the 8GB model on launch, perhaps it would have been the Nook Tablet that was destroying the 7" market, and not the Kindle Fire. More owners generally means more development.
$50 means a lot more than better specs to the average consumer when you're talking about a cheap, 7" media consumption device.
Actually, it ships with Jelly Bean, not ICS.
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The device for this forum does not have color in its name.
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Eek! I posted in the wrong forum? Or maybe I'm too stupid to know the name of a device that I paid $249 for? Sheesh. Embarassed. :crying:
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No SD card slot = I don't give a **** about it.
Seriously, move on to another device if you want, no need to bring it in here.
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Didn't mean to ruffle your feathers. Sorry. I wasn't trying to start a flameout over something as trivial as a tablet.
I used to feel the same way as you about the SD card slot. I never would have considered a tablet without one. However, I have never used the SD slot in my existing 16gb Nook Tablet. I (my kids, actually) only use it to play games and to stream video off of the family video library. I agree that having an SD card slot would be preferable. Case in point, my Lenovo ThinkPad Tablet has a micro SD slot, a full-size SD slot and a USB host port. I use the full-size SD slot all the time to display pics that I've just shot on my SLR. Having more and different ports is always a good thing, but lack of a slot won't be a dealbreaker for us given the way that my kids will use the device.
I would also expect that this would be much easier (if not stock) to have a functioning USB host, allowing you to mount USB drives which could almost make up for the lack of SD. Also I don't need to even go into the hardware. I do feel like the Nook is probably more solidly built. If I would have been buying a 7" tablet soon I would have definitely held off to see how this nexus tablet turns out. If for some reason development on the 3.0 kernel is at a stop I would probably do the same, but for now the Nook is working fine.
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I would also expect that this would be much easier (if not stock) to have a functioning USB host, allowing you to mount USB drives which could almost make up for the lack of SD. Also I don't need to even go into the hardware. I do feel like the Nook is probably more solidly built. If I would have been buying a 7" tablet soon I would have definitely held off to see how this nexus tablet turns out. If for some reason development on the 3.0 kernel is at a stop I would probably do the same, but for now the Nook is working fine.
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Keithn,
Is there a ROM for the Nook Tablet that is not in beta that you like? I bought my daughter this Nook. It supplants the two iPads and four iPod Touches that she and my other kids share. I haven't done much with the Nook other than to root it, install an alternate launcher, install Google Play, etc. It's ok for the kids to play games on and OK for streaming video the family NAS video library. But it still seems kind of kludgy. As near as I can tell, there's a CM9 Alpha being worked on and a CM7, which I think is a Beta. If there's any other ROM out there for the Nook, I'm not aware of it. For every phone I've owned, there's always been about dozen different ROMs available. Is there a ROM that you like? I'll probably buy the Nexus 7 regardless (because I'm ridiculous techslut), but I'll keep the Nook if I can improve it.
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What he said.
SD slot is the dealbreaker, no matter how fast or thin or fancy the tablet is. I want the ability to add as much or as little content as I desire and not need to be near my computer to do it. Looks like a great device but without an SD card slot- it's no Nook killer.
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What he said.
SD slot is the dealbreaker, no matter how fast or thin or fancy the tablet is. I want the ability to add as much or as little content as I desire and not need to be near my computer to do it. Looks like a great device but without an SD card slot- it's no Nook killer.
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Do you not ever install content by WIFI? I use WIFI File Explorer all the time to move files back and forth from my Android devices. It's unclear to me how using an SD card to move data in/out of and Android device would be a better alternative to WIFI? I mean, even if you're not near your computer as you say, how are you going to get data (that is destined for the Nook) onto the SD card to begin with if you don't a computer nearby? And if it's data to be taken off the Nook, how does putting it on an SD card help until you're "near your computer." Confused. Not trying to be a smartass. Just confused.
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Keithn,
Is there a ROM for the Nook Tablet that is not in beta that you like? I bought my daughter this Nook. It supplants the two iPads and four iPod Touches that she and my other kids share. I haven't done much with the Nook other than to root it, install an alternate launcher, install Google Play, etc. It's ok for the kids to play games on and OK for streaming video the family NAS video library. But it still seems kind of kludgy. As near as I can tell, there's a CM9 Alpha being worked on and a CM7, which I think is a Beta. If there's any other ROM out there for the Nook, I'm not aware of it. For every phone I've owned, there's always been about dozen different ROMs available. Is there a ROM that you like? I'll probably buy the Nexus 7 regardless (because I'm ridiculous techslut), but I'll keep the Nook if I can improve it.
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I'm primarily on CM7, I'm not too set on whether it's deemed alpha, beta, or whatever. As long as every thing I use it for works I can always modify certain things to make it how I want with, themes, launchers, build.prop tweaks etc. I've tested the 3.0 kernel CM9 and as soon as it's more stable I'll be on that.
If you have never owned a Nexus device you wouldn't understand. I will never buy another non nexus phone, and after today (just put in my preorder) I will never buy another non nexus tablet. I with all the cloud services out there I have no use for expandable memory. The day jelly bean is released there will be several users pleading developers to port it to their devices. With a Nexus device you won't have that problem.
jimmysuggs said:
What he said.
SD slot is the dealbreaker, no matter how fast or thin or fancy the tablet is. I want the ability to add as much or as little content as I desire and not need to be near my computer to do it. Looks like a great device but without an SD card slot- it's no Nook killer.
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am i the first to mention there are two 'nexus 7's, a kindle ( nook too ) buster at $199 and then there is the improved model for fifty dollars more that has extra stuff. Hmm, what do you get for fifty bucks ?
An extra 8GB internal storage.
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An extra 8GB internal storage.
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Wow, that is an expensive bit of memory.
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Found a list :
Back-lit IPS display
Scratch-resistant Corning glass
1.2MP front-facing camera
WEIGHT 340 grams
8 or 16 GB internal storage
1 GB RAM
4325 mAh (Up to 8 hours of active use)
Quad-core Tegra 3 processor
12 Core GeForce GPU
198.5 x 120 x 10.45mm
WiFi 802.11 b/g/n
Bluetooth
Micro USB
Microphone
NFC (Android Beam)
Accelerometer
GPS
Magnetometer
Gyroscope
Black or White color
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and no micro SD memory slot... No buttons... How is XDA going to crack it ?
I was waiting for a Nexus 7 announcement , because I like 7-inchers and because I'm sick and tired of CM7 phone UI layout( even with all tweaks it's still too phone-ish).
And what I see? Nexus 7 runs Jelly Bean with pure phone layout, though device is constantly called "tablet", WTF?
I'm there with ya! See ya nook! it's already listed on eBay! For a moment the SD card slot was in question, but with all the cloud storage and unlimited 4g data and tethering on my phone, I wont need the extra storage.
It's been a fun 6 months, but really I'm done with the hassle.
But I want to thank all the DEVs, for their hard work, and all you that i sent donations to. Keep working hard making this stuff better for everyone!!!
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I was waiting for a Nexus 7 announcement , because I like 7-inchers and because I'm sick and tired of CM7 phone UI layout( even with all tweaks it's still too phone-ish).
And what I see? Nexus 7 runs Jelly Bean with pure phone layout, though device is constantly called "tablet", WTF?
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I think that there's still a lot of confusion -- at least in my head -- about Jelly Bean and the Nexus 7. On one hand, I did read that the N-7 had a very phone-ish layout, but on the other hand, I read that JB is intended to be a tablet-only release. So I'm confused.
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Do you not ever install content by WIFI?
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Well wifi works great- if you're near your computer.
If not, wifi, she no work so good. For example if I'm taking a flight, or I dunno, leaving my house even slightly, I can't exactly sync anything up with the computer and transfer data via wifi.
But with SD cards, which are tiny and cheap as hell these days, I can just dump a bunch of content on there, stick the cards in my pocket and swap them in and out of the nook as I see fit. You fill one card up with movies, fill another one up with music, etc. Without the SD card slot, what you have on your tablet is all you're GONNA have on your tablet until you're back at your computer. With SD cards you have far more options. Yeah you have to be at your computer to fill the SD cards, but that's a lot quicker and easier than constantly adding trying to remove and add content via wifi.
Also, SD cards allow you to odd more onboard storage in general. I've got a lovely 32 gig card that I use with my Nook tablet, which holds so much that I rarely have to use other SD cards (though I like having that option). The Kindle and this new Nexus tablet top out at 16, which is pretty small these day. Dump a few movies and apps on there and boom- yer done. Now if they wanna sell a 100 gig version, then maaaaaaaaaaaaybe that'd work, but in the meantime the space they offer is just too limited. And this "cloud" stuff doesn't really help, because downloading big files takes a long time and who knows if yer even gonna be near a wifi source when you need something.
Bottom line: an SD card slot just adds more options. You may not ever need it- but it's sure nice to have it.
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just curious
Better screen quality and expandable memory via uSD card.
History of the nook color. More ram. Sd card slot. More internal storage (yes I did not look into storage enough initially, but now that it is rooted, I have access to it anyhow)
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Looking for a worthy successor to my Sony EReader. The Nook is acknowledged to be the best reading experience of any of the readers. The NT should carry this tradition forward.
Having 200-some books in EPub format - I was not about to switch to a proprietary, locked-down format with Amazon. That would be as bad as going with Apple.
I have two rooted Android phones - which I love. The chance to pair the Nook reader with the Android technology was irresistible. I have been playing with writing code for Android for a couple of years - really looking forward to the extra real estate on the NT.
Then there is Barnes and Noble. Well, you can't have everything...
The rootablity of NC of which I own and love, each of the other nooks, all of which I own and the hope of more on the NT. I have even gifted the ATT+wifi nook to family and still retain all of the wifi only units.
It is great to see root achieved here but why not to the boot loader?
Captn
Mostly because of owning NC, thinking NT would follow in its steps. Didn't quite pan out as of yet.
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Mostly because of owning NC, thinking NT would follow in its steps. Didn't quite pan out as of yet.
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Things are coming along quite nicely. Remember, the NC wasn't rooted and fully customizable right away.
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Things are coming along quite nicely. Remember, the NC wasn't rooted and fully customizable right away.
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Nor did it have a locked bootloader.
Haven't decided yet. Have a Fire right now but I'm 75% sure im going to exchange it for an NT because of the UI sluggishness and also the browser really impressed me in the NT.
Screen, speed, and the ergonomics of the tablet. Im not a fan of the flat glass tablets. Im not a fan of cheap feeling tablets. If i was ide just get an acer iconia
I heard the silk browser was better, but w/e.
I chose the NT because of the exterior build, the sd slot, better hardware specs, and better screen.
Expandable memory, more on board storage (or so I thought), greater possibility of new ROMs and rootability.
Biggest reason is uSD slot, but the extra 512MB of memory and mic are nice as well.
More RAM
Expandable storage (SD card slot)
Better display
Nicer looking (to me, anyway)
I already have a Kindle Simple Touch
The 20% discount, duh.
Memory Basically
I like the Nook because of the expandable memory. It's a shame that ads out there are misleading the consumers...saying it has 16gb over the Kindle's 8gb...Kindle allows you to use most of it. I bought both of these to try. I like the thinness of the Nook and even though I had to buy a memory card its interface is better. I hope B&N can offer up some of the memory or I can figure out how to root. I've never done it before and I don't want to end up with a useless tablet if I don't root it right.
Partly because of the specs, more ram, plus allow micro sd. Reviews like Engadget have said that videos play more smoothly on the NT.
And partly because I like the covers for the NT. I had a "Canvas writer's cover" for my NC before and really like the mounting system, it's really solid. I bought a "Leather writer's cover" with my NT.
Those covers are awesome, just like carrying around a book. I didn't like the ones for the KF, the book cover ones for the KF all seem to have cheap straps around the corners for mounting.
for the specs...
more ram and sd card implementation are the main reasons.
i live outside the US so i need to use the device in particular with files saved on. so i need more space as i can and the extra slot gives me the flexibility i need.
more ram of course sounds nice and grants very good performances.
No reliance on the cloud for storage.
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I couldn't decide... so I bought both.
My wife saw the kindle and assumes it is a christmas gift for her.. so now I have reason to keep it. The Nook Tablet is for me.
The bumped HW specs is the main reason for the NT
The OS on the KF, however, is fantastic.
I am sure we will start seeing amazon launcher ported to other tablets (already done!) and would be great to have the Amazon launcher on the NT. But the locked bootloader is like someone pissing on my ice cream. NT is already losing the popularity vote in the media, as all they are talking about is "KF vs Ipad"... The NT is completely shadowed by the KF simply because Amazon knows how to market.
But NT is killing the few extra million that the dev community would be worth by unnecessarily locking their bootloader. I can somewhat understand locking it for phones for carrier reasons. But there is absolutely no benefit for B&N to lock the bootloader on this. You are only raping yourself of millions from people not buying and not buying future versions because they will assume the same.
But back to the 2 tablets...
NT feels SOOO much better in your hand due to the curved bezel.
KF is a brick. Gets hard to hold after a while.
NT hardware is faster
KF software is better
Both can be rooted
Both have Google Framework
Both have amazon appstore and video player
Both run GoLauncher and ICS Launcher perfectly
I was not able to run Zeam, Launcher 7, and a few others on either device.
Wave Launcher runs great on both, tho on the both, the resizing of the swipe location was really glitchy, but other than that it works fine. Just use the gesture area presets to find a spot.
I like dual launchers (amazons and go) on the KF
I have no desire to keep the default NT launcher.. it is just garbage compared to KF.
I am still playing with both... I think it depends on where development goes to determine which one I give my wife for Christmas
Wow, now I remember why I dont buy sony products. Whoever decided to make the sd card slot usless should get a tab up side the head.
Sd card: useless compared to non crippled slots
Micro usb? really? thats the best you could cram into a tablet this size... fail
No hdmi? major fail
The charger is the worst piece of crap I have ever seen
Bravo sony, you wanted to create a tablet that you had to cut by 100$ and a tablet that is crippled and missing its leggs.
Even some 7inch tabs have hdmi, full size usb and a charger that doesnt sound like metal teeth being snapped.
As for power and gpu, my samsung galaxy NOTE gt-N7000 runs circles around this failure.
If you love it, good for you, I require more.
Rant over
First of all, of course you galaxy note runs circles around it. It's clocked at 1.4ghz vs the sony s's 1ghz. Not really sure what your basis for the claims of the GPU performance are.. they should be fairly similar though, so if the Galaxy Note does indeed outperform it then your right that it's pretty crappy of Sony.
I agree with you for most of the other parts though. Can't really justify the need for downsizing the USB port when it's such a large case up there. Hell they could have fit two there! HDMI would have been great, but there are plenty that don't have it on the market, at least this one offers DLNA. I don't have a problem with the charger.. seems to me that it would be much, much more durable than the micro USB's android phones ahve been strapping.
Plus some people pay hundreds for a universal remote, and this has one with great form and function. Like anything it has it's pro's and cons.
The two things that stung me about it that got me after purchase is the SDcard storage thingo, and lack of support from gameloft :\.
But hey, could be worse and just not have an SD card slot like some do. Now that is a fail.
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First of all, of course you galaxy note runs circles around it. It's clocked at 1.4ghz vs the sony s's 1ghz. Not really sure what your basis for the claims of the GPU performance are.. they should be fairly similar though, so if the Galaxy Note does indeed outperform it then your right that it's pretty crappy of Sony.
I agree with you for most of the other parts though. Can't really justify the need for downsizing the USB port when it's such a large case up there. Hell they could have fit two there! HDMI would have been great, but there are plenty that don't have it on the market, at least this one offers DLNA. I don't have a problem with the charger.. seems to me that it would be much, much more durable than the micro USB's android phones ahve been strapping.
Plus some people pay hundreds for a universal remote, and this has one with great form and function. Like anything it has it's pro's and cons.
The two things that stung me about it that got me after purchase is the SDcard storage thingo, and lack of support from gameloft :\.
But hey, could be worse and just not have an SD card slot like some do. Now that is a fail.
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The gpu plays as big a roll as the cpu in terms of render. I had a 154$ tablet that used an all winner cortex9 with a mali-400 gpu and it destroys the sony tablet. Of course at 154$ it had a ****ty 7inch screen. After my iphone 4 and 4s, i cant go back to hiddeous pixel screens. I found the perfect middle ground in my Samsung Note. It has the muscle to back up its amazing screen.
BTW, that cheap tablet with the amazing cpu/gpu had hdmi, usb and a micro sdhc slot. Its the now gone Ainol Novo 7 Advanced (not the the basic model).
I must say, the sony tablet screen look terrible compared to my Note but if i hold it far enough away, the pixels dont jump out at me as much.
Mind you its apples to oranges because the Note's display is an ips super amoled with an almost retina ppi.
I called sony today to pass on my thoughts. They sound ignorant. Their sales reflect that. Maybe if they drop it another 100$ people will stop returning it when the insert their sd card and haul the charger out of the box with a tractor.
The card works fine with any 3rd party app quickpic mx player etc thanks for playing technical genius
Who uses stock apps anyway
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The card works fine with any 3rd party app quickpic mx player etc thanks for playing technical genius
Who uses stock apps anyway
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Bitterness ages a face ;-)
Oh, and try to download a movie on your sony tablet directly to you sd card.... oh right, crippled
Regarding the "crippled" SD Card slot, as far as I can tell its only crippled with Sony apps. If you use any standard Android app the SD card slot is fully usable and accessible. I've got a 32 gig sd card in there and have no problem playing videos/music/open files directly off it. No speed issues or anything. I never transfer anything...
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Regarding the "crippled" SD Card slot, as far as I can tell its only crippled with Sony apps. If you use any standard Android app the SD card slot is fully usable and accessible. I've got a 32 gig sd card in there and have no problem playing videos/music/open files directly off it. No speed issues or anything. I never transfer anything...
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Nowhere did I refer to playback. Try to download natively to your sd card with your tablet. Crippled. Playback is useless if you cant get the media on the card in the first place. Maybe run out and buy a real tablet to do the muscle work and use the sony for the pansy playback?
Did Sony kill your parents? Good Lord, let it go. You don't like the Tablet S, but a lot of us do. Who cares? Don't buy it! I like PS3 controller compatibility and universal remote features. They build different tablets for a reason, just like how they make different phones, different TVs, furniture, cars, ice cream flavors, etc...
You can use dolphin browser ( and many other browser ) to download file into sd card directly.
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Did Sony kill your parents? Good Lord, let it go. You don't like the Tablet S, but a lot of us do. Who cares? Don't buy it! I like PS3 controller compatibility and universal remote features. They build different tablets for a reason, just like how they make different phones, different TVs, furniture, cars, ice cream flavors, etc...
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Yeah, because you've never bought something ad ranted. I always love the holier than thou type.
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You can use dolphin browser ( and many other browser ) to download file into sd card directly.
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Yes thank you. Too bad dolphin crashes on my sony tab and it only downloads certain things. I download movies and stuff on my samsung note with torrent apps. Sony s will only download to its own memory. But thanks
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Yes thank you. Too bad dolphin crashes on my sony tab and it only downloads certain things. I download movies and stuff on my samsung note with torrent apps. Sony s will only download to its own memory. But thanks
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Sell your sony and use your samsung if is better than a workstation.
Sony s runs android, so " Sony s will only download to its own memory " is a meaningless phrase.
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Sell your sony and use your samsung if is better than a workstation.
Sony s runs android, so " Sony s will only download to its own memory " is a meaningless phrase.
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Anything I say will be meaningless to you for the simple fact that you are limited to your own opinion. I however dont get frustrated when other people are not acting as my clone.
"Sony s runs android"?? do you think my more capable Note runs windows 7??Obviously they both use android.
On most tablets and my Note, "I" decide where my downloads go ie to the units memory or to the memory card I have installed. Sony s makes that choice for you. Its not my opinion, its a fact. Kinda runs in the face of what android lovers seem to hold so dear... "freedom".
I may sell my crippled tablet for a capable one, or just give it to my 5 year old nephew to play with.
I will pick up a galaxy tab, as far as I can see, looks better.
Dont hate on people, life is too short ;-)
lifes too short to go moaning on a forum about a problem thats arguable negligible to most usage scenarios, then writing snarky 'witticisms'.
your really need more hobbies if you're resorting to torrenting on tablets and complaining about not being able to do so on one model.... (who the heck does that?!!).
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Anything I say will be meaningless to you for the simple fact that you are limited to your own opinion. I however dont get frustrated when other people are not acting as my clone.
"Sony s runs android"?? do you think my more capable Note runs windows 7??Obviously they both use android.
On most tablets and my Note, "I" decide where my downloads go ie to the units memory or to the memory card I have installed. Sony s makes that choice for you. Its not my opinion, its a fact. Kinda runs in the face of what android lovers seem to hold so dear... "freedom".
I may sell my crippled tablet for a capable one, or just give it to my 5 year old nephew to play with.
I will pick up a galaxy tab, as far as I can see, looks better.
Dont hate on people, life is too short ;-)
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you are crazy boy.
He's only making points that have been made time and time again by most of you, just he's not willing to just accept it and be happy with the tab. No real reason for everyone to start flaming
It's very true that sony has imposed too much of there own influence. Not only that, but made it so there is currently no possible way to root it and make the changes we want done.
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Exactly, I would write the same.
I Don't understand this kind of posts, what helps? We need to improve the usability of this tablet until the root is not available...
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He's only making points that have been made time and time again by most of you, just he's not willing to just accept it and be happy with the tab. No real reason for everyone to start flaming
It's very true that sony has imposed too much of there own influence. Not only that, but made it so there is currently no possible way to root it and make the changes we want done.
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Thanks for being helpful. I knew i wasnt the only person to ever complain here about the sd problem. I wasnt harping on it, simply replying to people who took the time to talk with me about it.
I too look forward to a root and i hope that the sd problem is software not hardeware and that sony might wake up to at least match 150$ tablets in that regard.
Im not a fan of honeycomb so ics would be nice. Cheers
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Exactly, I would write the same.
I Don't understand this kind of posts, what helps? We need to improve the usability of this tablet until the root is not available...
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My 3rd party apps that download video or music content are restricted to the 16GB internal. There is zero way to make anything go to the sd card because the tablet treats the sd card as if it wasnt even there. The only thing the tablet can do is transfer files to and from the sd card.. Period.
As for dolphin, what would you download with that?
On a side note.. you can download with atorrent and specify the the destination can't you? The only problem I had with it was wifi going into sleep mode.. so I was pretty dissapoinnted to wake up and find it only downloaded 1.2%. lol.
Basically I knew what I was buying hardware wise when I bought it - aside from the creaks I discovered later. Then was massively let down software wise due to the restrictions.
I feel asthough if we got it rooted, we could just rename sdcard1 to sdcar2, and vice versa. Hopefully such a switcharoo would work and then it would continue on as it has, but with much more memory there .
It's going to be a real shame if Sony's take on ICS leaves us in the same boat, can't be rooted, can't be downgraded, and then someone discovers a root for HC
I am looking at buying either one of these. I like the way the kindle fire looks better, but I don't like it's lack of sd card support. They both seem to have good development for rooted users and I plan on rooting. I am leaning towards the Nook, but haven't decided for sure yet. Please offer your opinions and why you would choose one over the other.
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I am looking at buying either one of these. I like the way the kindle fire looks better, but I don't like it's lack of sd card support. They both seem to have good development for rooted users and I plan on rooting. I am leaning towards the Nook, but haven't decided for sure yet. Please offer your opinions and why you would choose one over the other.
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but in all seriousness, both are sturdy devices. I myself chose the Nook Tab because of the external storage support. And now that development is running along nicely (a few bugs to be sorted out) I would say the choice is entirely up to you. I like the build of the tab over the fire, along with the screen quality / image quality.
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I am looking at buying either one of these. I like the way the kindle fire looks better, but I don't like it's lack of sd card support. They both seem to have good development for rooted users and I plan on rooting. I am leaning towards the Nook, but haven't decided for sure yet. Please offer your opinions and why you would choose one over the other.
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As stated above, both are good devices. you obviously know the difference in hardware, (ram, sd slot, etc) so rather then point that out, I will simply say, I am quite happy with my nook, and looking forward to the ever expanding developments going on it. One of my best friends has a kindle fire. He keeps looking at my nook and wishing he had snagged it instead of the fire, mostly due to the sd support. Although there are a couple games that play a bit smoother on the nook, most of what we have compared seems to run about the same on either. the limited internal memory though, that's kind of a big issue. It's amazing how fast you can go through 16gb of space.
The nook has better specs but as of now there is more available in the development section for the Fire. Thats fine with me Im waiting for the nook to catch up and pass. If you want a rom today then the nook wont be your choice.
More RAM, more storage, comparable development, and the killer feature for me - physical volume buttons. I find myself changing the volume a lot, and when I tried in on the Fire in the store, I had to open a menu, move to the volume option, and then use an on-screen slider. Too many steps. Honestly, that is what put me over the edge.
I was faced with this same quandry a few days ago and it all comes out to this: the two devices are in my opinion the same in hardware/money ratio. The nook seems to have $50 worth of extra hardware but is unfortunately $50 more.
After I put the hardware aside I looked at the two dev communities, they looked about even but the Kindle has less cyanogenmod support/orientation from what I can tell which was a turnoff. I used cyanogenmod on my last phone and found my new phone to be a downgrade even though it had double the benchmarks on its hardware.
So it comes down to personal choice based on two factors:
1. Are you going to mod it (not just root but ROMs too)? If no get the Kindle. I was very disappointed with the factory nook settings. With just root it was much more bearable and now that I have cm7 (luckily I caught it before the recall) I am quite happy with this device.
2. What are you planning on using it for. If you want to play games or movies, I would strongly suggest the Nook for its superior performance and (from what I've ready) better battery life. If you want to just read, I'd save the $50 and go with the kindle.
In the end, they are very comparable devices and it comes down to the price. Although, if you're going to throw down some considerable money why cheap out on $50 (don't forget to factor in the microsd that you'll inevitably want to get unless you have one lying around like I did)? I went with the nook because of the CM affiliation and the better specs. I'm not sure I needed the better specs but I'm a bit of a tech junkie so when I read double the ram and double the storage I had to jump on it. I'm not regretting getting the Nook yet but I'll edit if I change my mind.
Thanks for your help. I really like hearing other peoples experiences with devices that are rooted instead of just the specs and the comparisons that you get from c-net. I will most likely root it and change ROM's a couple of times a week, but last time I rooted my phone I became a flash addict and I don't want that to happen again here with this, but I always want the newest ROM. I like everything Amazon offers like being able to stream video if you get an amazon prime account, but I am hoping in the future there will be a hack for that so I can do that on the Nook. I can't believe the Kindle fire didn't come with an SD card slot. That one feature probably would have sold me on the Kindle.
I also have an extra SD card and I am planning on buying it used from criagslist. I have already seen a couple for 175$. I would really like the follow up tablet to the Asus prime that is coming out in a couple of months but I don't want to spend $500 plus on a tablet.
My grandson has the fire so I can compare both. I like the fire better The screen is smoother, copy/paste works (just found this out ). Volume on speaker and quality is better. I like the digital Home instead of the micro-switch on the Nook. I've also noticed he doesn't seem to charge his as much as I do the Nook To me I don't see any reason a person would even want to mess with fire, just use it. I too was sold on the micro card and specs. Hopefully, the new ROM coming out will change my mind on the Nook
Guys there a deal for today at ebay.com for Nook Tablet from B&N that gives it for only 199$
yep.. couldnt refuse at that price point.. they got rid of the coupon.. so just $199 outright.. so saves on taxes if your state requires collecting it.. debated.. but i just cant say no to a deal like that.. loved the original NC.. was a solid piece of kit.. so i know i'll love the tablet..
I would get it as well but I live outside USA so.... :/
I jumped on this too. I've been following various websites for a better price and this is by far the best I've found (without having to do any pricematch/coupon shenanegans).
And the offer runs to Feb 23, apparently. Hope this establishes the new price point !
B&N had to cut prices, Asus memo will be out very soon. And at $250 for a quad-core, with camera, GPS, and BlueTooth, it will eclipse the Nook Tablet and all bargain tablets.
Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't call this a "bargain". NT cannot recognize more than 2 points on the screen at any time, the wifi is buggy at best, the internal memory is almost not accessible. All in all, it's a good ereader. And that's it. The Kindle Fire is a far superior device. My only grip with the KF is that its memory is limited to 8 gigs and no microSD extension possible.
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Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't call this a "bargain". NT cannot recognize more than 2 points on the screen at any time, the wifi is buggy at best, the internal memory is almost not accessible. All in all, it's a good ereader. And that's it.
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Thanks, talked me out of it in the nick of time!
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B&N had to cut prices, Asus memo will be out very soon. And at $250 for a quad-core, with camera, GPS, and BlueTooth, it will eclipse the Nook Tablet and all bargain tablets.
Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't call this a "bargain". NT cannot recognize more than 2 points on the screen at any time, the wifi is buggy at best, the internal memory is almost not accessible. All in all, it's a good ereader. And that's it. The Kindle Fire is a far superior device. My only grip with the KF is that its memory is limited to 8 gigs and no microSD extension possible.
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damnnn uhh now I don't want the nook tablet anymore
edit: there doesn't seem to be much development for Asus tabs?? ? why is there no cm9 alpha or anything I know these usually have honeycomb stock...
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Well I for one am still very happy with mine. The wifi bug isn't that bad, and I have confidence the devs will get it under control. I have no problem accessing ask the space I need, and the battery life is incredible.
Having great dev support is not something to take lightly. The guys working on the NT are doing a great job. My Samsung Fascinate didn't have a usable CM7 until it had been out for almost a year. I wouldn't put it past them to get better multi-touch support for this device as well.
All in all, it's a great device, and the great dev support makes it even better.
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B&N had to cut prices, Asus memo will be out very soon. And at $250 for a quad-core, with camera, GPS, and BlueTooth, it will eclipse the Nook Tablet and all bargain tablets.
Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't call this a "bargain". NT cannot recognize more than 2 points on the screen at any time, the wifi is buggy at best, the internal memory is almost not accessible. All in all, it's a good ereader. And that's it. The Kindle Fire is a far superior device. My only grip with the KF is that its memory is limited to 8 gigs and no microSD extension possible.
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I thought the Kindle Fire only recognized 2 points on the touch screen as well. At least thats what many review for the game Nova (kindle fire edition) on the Amazon app store say. http://www.amazon.com/Near-Orbit-Va...1?s=mobile-apps&ie=UTF8&qid=1329581136&sr=1-1
Hi couple of questions before i decide to take the plunge
1)Have the devs found out how to use the 12GB space that BN owns
2)How easy is this to root?
thanks!
I ordered it two days ago, can't wait to get it in the mail now.
The B&N - not a good deal at $250?
Oh, come on. There's always something "new" in the horizon - better, faster and cheaper (ie, the Quad Core Asus). And if you wait long enough for the Asus, something *even* better will be "just around the corner".
The B&N is, for me, an*incredible* deal. I own a Galaxy SII, a Motorola Atrix (heavily modded) and I got an iPad 2 at the office. I can't believe how much I got when I bought my Nook for $250. I'd definitely do it again. It's *not* only a good eReader - it's a tremendous game machine (I haven't yet found a single game with any sort of lag), a great browser, a perfect multimedia device... the list goes on and on. IMHO, I'd rather have the Nook than my iPad, it's far, far more useful right now (rooted, with GoLaunch EX and minor tweaks). CM7 will only make things better.
Its problems are trivial. No true multitouch? Why would it be a dealbreaker? Wi-Fi bug? I've seen it every once in a while - my HP laptop is far, far worse. What else is there? Nothing. Again, to me, it delivers far more than I ever expected out of it.
I've seen cheaper tablets around - some chinese junk running at 1.5 GHz (LOL). They look cheap and have no warranties whatsoever. For me, the NT and the KF are what tablets are all about, and I'd rather own either one of them than wait for something that may or may not come out soon (the Asus Quad Core).
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The B&N - not a good deal at $250?
Oh, come on. There's always something "new" in the horizon - better, faster and cheaper (ie, the Quad Core Asus). And if you wait long enough for the Asus, something *even* better will be "just around the corner".
The B&N is, for me, an*incredible* deal. I own a Galaxy SII, a Motorola Atrix (heavily modded) and I got an iPad 2 at the office. I can't believe how much I got when I bought my Nook for $250. I'd definitely do it again. It's *not* only a good eReader - it's a tremendous game machine (I haven't yet found a single game with any sort of lag), a great browser, a perfect multimedia device... the list goes on and on. IMHO, I'd rather have the Nook than my iPad, it's far, far more useful right now (rooted, with GoLaunch EX and minor tweaks). CM7 will only make things better.
Its problems are trivial. No true multitouch? Why would it be a dealbreaker? Wi-Fi bug? I've seen it every once in a while - my HP laptop is far, far worse. What else is there? Nothing. Again, to me, it delivers far more than I ever expected out of it.
I've seen cheaper tablets around - some chinese junk running at 1.5 GHz (LOL). They look cheap and have no warranties whatsoever. For me, the NT and the KF are what tablets are all about, and I'd rather own either one of them than wait for something that may or may not come out soon (the Asus Quad Core).
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Well said i think exactly as you do and not because the a new tablet with more specifications with same or better price is round the corner means the quality will be good and the development for it will be fast, so far with the nook tablet devs have done an amazing job far before than what i ever expected. There is always people that do not appreciate the work that is being done and on top of that they ask for more, unfortunately XDA has got many of those, its a shame.
I think the nook tablet is an investment and i feel very happy with it, i will for sure enjoy it for a while and once another good deal like the NT comes out with decent hardware (not Chinese junk as @fjhuerta say) and green lights for development maybe then i would think in upgrade.
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openallnight said:
Hi couple of questions before i decide to take the plunge
1)Have the devs found out how to use the 12GB space that BN owns
2)How easy is this to root?
thanks!
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1) yes
2) very easy...check put the development forum and you'll see the one click root. In a few days CM7 will be released in greater fashion than previously. In a month or so the nook tablet and its downfalls will be completely absent. The devs have been incredible with this device and it's only getting better and better. I purchased mine on release day and my love for it grows by the day. I've owned the kindle fire as well...but I did return it because it lacked the ram power of the nook tablet, and I could certainly tell(yes I was rooted on it as well).
Trust your gut. In the long run, I think if you choose the nook tablet, you'll be extremely happy.
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Got my tablet for $150 on craigslist WITH a 16gb SD card and a case included! *steal*
Bought my girl the NC off eBay for $150. Not bad I guess.
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I think I like the NC better now lol. Will the NT ever see ICS?
alaw said:
Got my tablet for $150 on craigslist WITH a 16gb SD card and a case included! *steal*
Bought my girl the NC off eBay for $150. Not bad I guess.
NT rooted with CM7
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I think I like the NC better now lol. Will the NT ever see ICS?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1440438
Got mine too
though as ever as soon as I buy something they announce the next version
I wonder if this deal involves the new model of NT with only 8G of internal memory (instead of 16G)? This model can also be purchased from the BN website:
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/p/nook-tablet-barnes-noble/1104687969?ean=9781400501779
take note of the 512mb ram as well so not only is the 8 gig model less storage space...but also down to 512mb system ram. I was hoping they'd keep the 1 gig ram but just lower the 'hdd' shame not :/
http://www.androidcentral.com/googl...-leak-expect-it-australia-july?style_mobile=0
I'm still going for the 10.1" 1920x1080 Transformer Pad Infinity, but for people that like a 7" ( ) can go for the nexus tab.
tegra 3, fail.
an s4 silicon chipset with corresponding GPU would have been nice. exynos, not really "cutting edge" by todays performance standards.
I disagree. Tegra 3 and nvidia are way ahead it terms of developer support. That's why there are so many tegra 3 titles. And at the $200 price point this makes the kindle fire look, well, horrible. I am very pleased with the original specs. Yes krait may have been better but nvidia goes out of its way to lower price points and gets it soc in as many devices as possible. If you want something that has all the greatest hardware then u have to put out the $$$. At $200 I know the android community will flock to it and I hope consumers will to. All in all, I will get one and I hope the 7inch factor will be as useful as I think.
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only 8gb without a sd card slot is bad, really bad, why have that nice screen when you basically dont have even the space to load movies on it?
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only 8gb without a sd card slot is bad, really bad, why have that nice screen when you basically dont have even the space to load movies on it?
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I can't comprehend why Google is being so stupid with their Nexus lineup, especially tablets. I would absolutely love to use one of these on vacations/business trips with an HDMI cable to take my media with me and still watch them on a TV. I want to fill this thing up with tv shows and movies (and even music if possible) but it seems like they don't give a crap. Not including a microsd card is a freaking deal breaker every damn time.
Not to change the subject, but if we do get multiple Nexus phones from the big manufacturers later this year.. and not a single one of them has a microsd card.. I'm going to pull my hair out and scream. haha
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I disagree. Tegra 3 and nvidia are way ahead it terms of developer support. That's why there are so many tegra 3 titles. And at the $200 price point this makes the kindle fire look, well, horrible. I am very pleased with the original specs. Yes krait may have been better but nvidia goes out of its way to lower price points and gets it soc in as many devices as possible. If you want something that has all the greatest hardware then u have to put out the $$$. At $200 I know the android community will flock to it and I hope consumers will to. All in all, I will get one and I hope the 7inch factor will be as useful as I think.
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exactly. this is a great tablet at $200. i'm definitely buying one.
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only 8gb without a sd card slot is bad, really bad, why have that nice screen when you basically dont have even the space to load movies on it?
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probably just trying to get the price to produce down. that and with everything on the cloud maybe they dont think it's needed.
bagelicious said:
I can't comprehend why Google is being so stupid with their Nexus lineup, especially tablets. I would absolutely love to use one of these on vacations/business trips with an HDMI cable to take my media with me and still watch them on a TV. I want to fill this thing up with tv shows and movies (and even music if possible) but it seems like they don't give a crap. Not including a microsd card is a freaking deal breaker every damn time.
Not to change the subject, but if we do get multiple Nexus phones from the big manufacturers later this year.. and not a single one of them has a microsd card.. I'm going to pull my hair out and scream. haha
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well then this probably isnt the tab for you. i dont think thats what they are going for. as far as the nexus devices go isnt like each major manufacturer making one? so it'll kind be up to them to include an sd card slot or not unless google requires them to exclude it.
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well then this probably isnt the tab for you. i dont think thats what they are going for. as far as the nexus devices go isnt like each major manufacturer making one? so it'll kind be up to them to include an sd card slot or not unless google requires them to exclude it.
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That's what I am afraid of. They've skimped on the last two Nexus phones. The least they could do is offer 32gb standard. The GSM Galaxy Nexus has 16gb while the CDMA versions both have 32gb.
I would prefer to go Nexus with my next phone and tablet, but Google's got to get their head out of their ass first. It's way too early to rely on the cloud for all of your media needs - especially on a tablet that is wifi only. It's asinine.
Do they have a microSD slot?
If they do, I don't see what the problem with only 8GB is. They did that so you could have a nice tablet with good specs at the price of $200. If you want more storage, just pay the $50 for a 64GB micro sd card. A 64GB variant of the tablet would probably cost $300 anyway so you'd be getting a better deal than if it was already 64GB.
As for relying on cloud storage, I hate how we're being forced to do that. I ****ing hate cloud storage since streaming with sprint's 3G is slow as hell and it wouldn't be adequate for a tablet. Cloud storage should only become a norm when we have mobile satellite internet or some sort of internet that's fast and everywhere.
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I disagree. Tegra 3 and nvidia are way ahead it terms of developer support. That's why there are so many tegra 3 titles.[...]
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I disagree. Tegra 3 and nvidia are way behind it terms of developer support. That's why there are so few ics tegra 2 roms and all of them suck. Pumping funds in game developers to make titles exclusive is not what I would call dev support. But withholding drivers and disclosing specs is exactly what I would call neglect the devs.
The guys over at Linux aren't very fond of Nvidia. Linus Trovalds (creator of Linux) says "NVIDIA has been the single worst company we've ever dealt with!" and gives a big middle finger to the company on camera.
Basically, Nvidia is making tons of money off of multiple open source linux platforms without giving anything back to the open source community.
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Do they have a microSD slot?
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as from reports, it doesnt - that's the problem.
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The guys over at Linux aren't very fond of Nvidia. Linus Trovalds (creator of Linux) says "NVIDIA has been the single worst company we've ever dealt with!" and gives a big middle finger to the company on camera.
Basically, Nvidia is making tons of money off of multiple open source linux platforms without giving anything back to the open source community.
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the same goes for most mobile gpu, bar mali 400.
yousefak said:
Do they have a microSD slot?
If they do, I don't see what the problem with only 8GB is. They did that so you could have a nice tablet with good specs at the price of $200. If you want more storage, just pay the $50 for a 64GB micro sd card. A 64GB variant of the tablet would probably cost $300 anyway so you'd be getting a better deal than if it was already 64GB.
As for relying on cloud storage, I hate how we're being forced to do that. I ****ing hate cloud storage since streaming with sprint's 3G is slow as hell and it wouldn't be adequate for a tablet. Cloud storage should only become a norm when we have mobile satellite internet or some sort of internet that's fast and everywhere.
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from the rumors i've seen it will be wifi only. idk though.
yousefak said:
Do they have a microSD slot?
If they do, I don't see what the problem with only 8GB is. They did that so you could have a nice tablet with good specs at the price of $200. If you want more storage, just pay the $50 for a 64GB micro sd card. A 64GB variant of the tablet would probably cost $300 anyway so you'd be getting a better deal than if it was already 64GB.
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I know its already been replied to, but I wanted to reiterate this. I already did buy the 64GB card and I LOVE it. I can store as much crap as I want. I've watched an entire season of Archer on planes to/from Denver and in a hotel there while on business. I basically want to be able to load a tablet up and not have to worry about running out of new stuff to watch or listen to. I was able to do that with my old Nook Color that ran CM7 before I sold it on ebay. To not be able to do something so simple on the pure Google tablet (which will run circles around any Nook or Kindle) is just not right. Hopefully the leaked information is incomplete or inaccurate and it does have a microsd slot.
If they botch this then I will probably look to get an Asus tablet since it only took them about a month to bump the Transformer Prime up to ICS and the OG Transformer wasn't very far along after that. Google better do something amazing tomorrow if they want my $ -- and trust me I've been dying to give it to them for a while now. haha
So, what about USB otg support? Maybe that will solve storage problems.
Anyone got information bout that?
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So, what about USB otg support? Maybe that will solve storage problems.
Anyone got information bout that?
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Every ics kernel supports otg...
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OK so I got around to thinking about this "problem" of not having microsd slots on new devices, and I was wondering if anyone out there makes an accessory that attaches to the charger and has a card reader on it. Basically an external card reader. It wouldn't be the fastest for transferring files I'm sure, but it's better than giving up all the microsd cards my family has acquired.
I did some Googling and found this thing on Amazon -- does anyone know if it does what I described above? I can't tell if its meant for use with actual phones/tablets or just the computer.
Or if anyone knows of a product that does exist and can provide a link (or even a name) that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks guys!