Hey, i overclocked my ace 2 to 1100MHZ my question is, is it safe to keep it on maximum at all times?.
1100 MIN and 1100 MAX
Thank you.
That's probably something you shouldn't do as a "full-time" clock speed. Remember, your CPU's scaling frequency is determined upon load called upon from system process, applications, and so on. When load is minimal, the CPU scaling frequently will fall back to lower table speeds, and spike to higher when necessary. Having no "resting" frequency will cause: more heat generated from the lack of these lower frequencies, shortened battery life expectancy, and possibly shortened CPU lifespan.
Unless you're using a governor setting of "performance" or the like, your CPU's governor will step down through the kernel's frequently tables as determined by the load. Again, unless you're running a governor setting that does anything but what is similarly done with mot_hotplug the CPU's core(s) will be turned off when not demanded.
Be kind to your CPU, give it a break. I can't imagine any reason to clock to such high values to run all the time. Don't you put your phone to sleep ever? Why would you want the CPU running at 1100MHz while sleeping? Doesn't seem like a logical idea to me...
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Thanks for replying, you are right i shouldn't have it on that frequency at all times when im not using it cause whats the point of that.
I am new to all this overclocking and rooting stuff, got a lot to learn haha.
iFrankie said:
Thanks for replying, you are right i shouldn't have it on that frequency at all times when im not using it cause whats the point of that.
I am new to all this overclocking and rooting stuff, got a lot to learn haha.
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No worries. Just don't want to see you fry out your CPU by not giving it the ability to have 'downtime'.
Edit: You can even change the scaling frequency at echo 0 to a lower table value, to give even more ability to "rest". If you need any more info, don't hesitate to PM me. I've done a lot of experimentation with overclocking over the last several months...
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call me a noob but i gotta ask, just what does the kernals do to the phone thats so special, and all the ghz talk means what. i rooted my device for the teather and customizing, and now i see all this talk of kernal this, overclock that, and different ghz people are getting can someone explain to me what this does for your phone, should i be interested???
popcorn kernals?
the higher your ghz the faster your phone is.
overclocking is making your ghz higher
and kernals is what allows you to overclock(sorta)
lol dude...you should prob. take your time with customization but ghz is in reference to the speed of the processor. So...theoretically the higher the number the better your phone should perform...t, eoretically lol. Note that with a higher ghz value the worse your battery life will be unless the kernel is written really well. Also the kernel is the code that controls the devices hardware. (brain)
The nice thing is that you can generally play with different kernels without having to wipe and redo your phone. Also, if you really want to play with the various kernels out there you should get setcpu from the market. It let's you set your phone to make use of the processor in an over clocked (OC) application but it can also let you under clock your phone when your not using it, such as when the screen is off. This will help you conserve battery life. But be careful, over clocking can lead to over heating and other problems if you''re not careful
sounds very interesting, hmmm. so in the coming months people could create kernals to acheive speeds to challenge dual core phones
the kernels already are challenging dual core phones. The thunderbolt currently has a 2ghz kernel. The motorola atrix is a 1 ghz dual core... Thunderbolt definately rivals it with overclock kernel
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A "kernel" is the OS layer that sits between the applications and hardware. So, when an application says "light up LED" it eventually goes through the kernel to do this, most likely by a request/system call.
The speed of a CPU is measured in hertz (frequency). So, a 1 Ghz CPU can perform over 1 billion operations in one second. The frequency can be increased (overclocked). When you do so, this can damage the CPU (most likely due to heat). Heat can also cause the CPU to run efficiently. So, if you overclock too high, you COULD end up running slower than if you had just left it at 1 Ghz. Changing the frequency can also hinder stability.
so with it being so dangerous how do u know what kernal to trust and whats a safe limit in hertz, do u stop at 1.5, because 2ghz sounds like pushing it
This thread is so full of misinformation it is comical. To start, higher clock speed does not always result in better performance.
Secondly, everyone has their own preference. The best bet is to find the perfect balance for your needs. For many people, overclocking the CPU is not very beneficial... since the device is already plenty fast at stock 1GHz speeds. A lot of users would rather use custom kernels to make their device more power efficient and use SMARTASS governors and lower voltages.
Mess around with kernels and see what you like the best! (always remember to create a backup before flashing... this allows you to easily revert back if something goes awry).
You mean they're not popcorn kernels?? Lol
bmcclure937 said:
This thread is so full of misinformation it is comical. To start, higher clock speed does not always result in better performance.
Secondly, everyone has their own preference. The best bet is to find the perfect balance for your needs. For many people, overclocking the CPU is not very beneficial... since the device is already plenty fast at stock 1GHz speeds. A lot of users would rather use custom kernels to make their device more power efficient and use SMARTASS governors and lower voltages.
Mess around with kernels and see what you like the best! (always remember to create a backup before flashing... this allows you to easily revert back if something goes awry).
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Very well written and informative post, thanks brah!
skinien said:
A "kernel" is the OS layer that sits between the applications and hardware. So, when an application says "light up LED" it eventually goes through the kernel to do this, most likely by a request/system call.
The speed of a CPU is measured in hertz (frequency). So, a 1 Ghz CPU can perform over 1 billion operations in one second. The frequency can be increased (overclocked). When you do so, this can damage the CPU (most likely due to heat). Heat can also cause the CPU to run efficiently. So, if you overclock too high, you COULD end up running slower than if you had just left it at 1 Ghz. Changing the frequency can also hinder stability.
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+1 ninja point for correctly saying "over 1 billion"
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It should be noted that most phones are definitely capable of being overclocked to a reasonable extent.
the majority of kernels we nexus one users play with, is undervolting the and playing with teh voltage tables to maximize standby battery life, at the same time overclocking the high end to improve performance. but really its about lowering voltage to improve battery life.
Hi All,
I am writing this post to know what are the pros and cons for overclocking the phone. I know it helps to increase the clock rate, however if the phone can support it, why didnt the manufacturers made it that way.
And if we do it, are there any chances that the phone might blow up and stop working or something.
I tried to search on this topic but cudnt find anything.
please reply
Iam using LG Optimus One
Thanks !!
Hello.
The main plus is the increase in productivity phone.
The downside is that, theoretically possible to burn the phone, but I repeat it theoretically.
I myself have clocked the phone and nothing terrible has happened to him.
I don't think anything's going to burn as kermel always goes in panic if it can't handle it.
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I don't think anything's going to burn as kermel always goes in panic if it can't handle it.
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The processor won't burn, as 4silvertooth says the kernel will panic and you'll end up in an endless bootloop; 729 - 748 mhz is safe, 800mhz in most cases cause the kernel to panic.
Well oc has nothing to do with proceesor (don't laugh). Well at hardware level the clock (MHz) and processor are two different thing the crystal provides the MHz to processor and in return it computes at that speeds. So by oc we are telling crystal to oscillate at higher frequency. So if our processor can't handle higher frequency it tells kernel get lost I am not doing this for you as I am not able to execute instruction at such speeds. And all the governers are nothing but a rule for processors to execute tasks. Like if you select performance governer it tells CPU to execute at Max speed you have set. So what ever you set the min frequency it always uses Max speed no need to change min if u r using performance governer same for powersaving governer no matter what you have set for max it always work on min. So all the governers has different sets of rules.
Pros: CPU speeds up the execution
Cons: Crystal may get hot.
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The processor won't burn, as 4silvertooth says the kernel will panic and you'll end up in an endless bootloop; 729 - 748 mhz is safe, 800mhz in most cases cause the kernel to panic.
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No you wont go in bootloop.
Let me explain.
You will go in boot loop if you have set speed that processor can't handle and selected set on boot option. As the processor can't handle it and you are telling it to be always in that mode. Dont select set on boot. After reboot manually select oc. The second reason would be currepted filesystem as after kernel panic your phone has rebooted with unsaved changes chances are that filesystem table is currepted. Theres a command to check that I forgot name its like chkdsk for Linux. But no rom impliments that on unhandled reboots.
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Good info
4silvertooth said:
Well oc has nothing to do with proceesor (don't laugh). Well at hardware level the clock (MHz) and processor are two different thing the crystal provides the MHz to processor and in return it computes at that speeds. So by oc we are telling crystal to oscillate at higher frequency. So if our processor can't handle higher frequency it tells kernel get lost I am not doing this for you as I am not able to execute instruction at such speeds. And all the governers are nothing but a rule for processors to execute tasks. Like if you select performance governer it tells CPU to execute at Max speed you have set. So what ever you set the min frequency it always uses Max speed no need to change min if u r using performance governer same for powersaving governer no matter what you have set for max it always work on min. So all the governers has different sets of rules.
Pros: CPU speeds up the execution
Cons: Crystal may get hot.
Bye.
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i'm more concerned about the processors life. can overclocking to 729 in long term kill the processor.
coolbuy said:
i'm more concerned about the processors life. can overclocking to 729 in long term kill the processor.
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Even I am concerned about such facts, and also why didnt the manufacturers made it that way if it can support such speed without any problem.
Thanks for those who replied, Much appreciated
Hello, I have an HTC thunderbolt, rooted with CM7, and installed setcpu and used autodetect and I put the CPU govern to "conservative" with minimum GHz 245 and maximum 1.8GHz and I am just wondering if this is safe? because I read some threads about Compatible kernels and I jave no idea what that means, they were also talkimg about undervolting, which agaim I do not know means, anyways thanks for reading
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Hello, I have an HTC thunderbolt, rooted with CM7, and installed setcpu and used autodetect and I put the CPU govern to "conservative" with minimum GHz 245 and maximum 1.8GHz and I am just wondering if this is safe? because I read some threads about Compatible kernels and I jave no idea what that means, they were also talkimg about undervolting, which agaim I do not know means, anyways thanks for reading
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If your device will run reliably at 1.8GHz, then there's not much to worry about as long as the voltage isn't too high. High voltages and heat can shorten the SoC's life or kill it altogether. Generally, I don't recommend running that fast because the performance increase isn't as great from 1.6GHz to 1.8GHz as it is from 1.41GHz to 1.6GHz. These cores weren't meant to run any faster than 1.5GHz really, and anything past that doesn't increase the performance as much as the numbers might suggest.
Also, a conservative governor probably isn't ideal if you're willing to run a device that fast. That governor would seldom, if ever, use that kind of speed. I'd suggest smartass, smartassV2, ondemand, or interactive if you're looking to see a good boost in performance.
If you're looking for an app to view and adjust voltages, IncrediControl works well. For all the nitty-gritty of overclocking, I'd recommend reading my OC guide. It's in the "Second Post" of my Q&A thread. If you've got any questions, feel free to hit me up.
So does over clocking just speed things up? What are the real benefits
Boggus said:
So does over clocking just speed things up? What are the real benefits
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I look at it like this. My screen eats up most of my battery. The less time it's on, the better. Overclocking uses more power for the CPU, but the display spends less time telling you it's waiting. It doesn't really add functionality, just speed and efficiency.
Hello,
I'm writing this thread to know which processor options would be optimal in our minis. The best settings, which give me the best performance/battery, I've found are:
CPU Governor: SMARTASSV2 (Default)
Min Freq: 19MHz
Max Freq: 748MHz
Undervolt: TRUE
I'm also using Apex Launcher. Which settings are you using?
Note: This are just my results, be careful when you change your processor settings.
fuchini said:
Hello,
I'm writing this thread to know which processor options would be optimal in our minis. The best settings, which give me the best performance/battery, I've found are:
CPU Governor: SMARTASSV2 (Default)
Min Freq: 19MHz
Max Freq: 748MHz
Undervolt: TRUE
I'm also using Apex Launcher. Which settings are you using?
Note: This are just my results, be careful when you change your processor settings.
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Whats the purpose of Undervolting when you have it's max frequency as overclock?
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Whats the purpose of Undervolting when you have it's max frequency as overclock?
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Because it undervolts on every frequency below 600, and his minimum is 19, so when the phone is idle or doesn't need all of the processing power he saves battery
The SmartAss governor is very good at picking the right frequencies for any given job, so it doesn't allways run on 748Mhz, not even when you're using the phone.
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because it undervolts on every frequency below 600, and his minimum is 19, so when the phone is idle or doesn't need all of the processing power he saves battery
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That is the same very purpose of SMARTASSV2 to undervolt your device when idle or on sleepmode and overclocks it when on process. So ticking the undervolt wont affect your device because the one that manage the frequency will be the COUgovernor.
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That is the same very purpose of SMARTASSV2 to undervolt your device when idle or on sleepmode and overclocks it when on process. So ticking the undervolt wont affect your device because the one that manage the frequency will be the COUgovernor.
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The SmartAss Governor only governs the frequencies, not the voltage that the Processor uses. there is a difference between the speed the cpu runs on (Mhz) and the amount of Electricity (Volts) it gets fed
Say Qualcomm has said it needs 5 volts to run at the stock frequency of 600Mhz, then the processor will always get 5 Volts, no matter which frequency it uses.
Undervolting will feed it less than the 5Volts when the frequencies are lower, SmartAss won't do that, it will run the 19Mhz still on 5Volts.
(Voltages are examples, i don't know the exact values, but I know that running on 122 or less will be stable on less than half of the nominal power)
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The SmartAss Governor only governs the frequencies, not the voltage that the Processor uses. there is a difference between the speed the cpu runs on (Mhz) and the amount of Electricity (Volts) it gets fed
Say Qualcomm has said it needs 5 volts to run at the stock frequency of 600Mhz, then the processor will always get 5 Volts, no matter which frequency it uses.
Undervolting will feed it less than the 5Volts when the frequencies are lower, SmartAss won't do that, it will run the 19Mhz still on 5Volts.
(Voltages are examples, i don't know the exact values, but I know that running on 122 or less will be stable on less than half of the nominal power)
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Nice yes yes. good reply. now I know whats the use of undervolting. thanks for the explanation
SmG67 said:
The SmartAss Governor only governs the frequencies, not the voltage that the Processor uses. there is a difference between the speed the cpu runs on (Mhz) and the amount of Electricity (Volts) it gets fed
Say Qualcomm has said it needs 5 volts to run at the stock frequency of 600Mhz, then the processor will always get 5 Volts, no matter which frequency it uses.
Undervolting will feed it less than the 5Volts when the frequencies are lower, SmartAss won't do that, it will run the 19Mhz still on 5Volts.
(Voltages are examples, i don't know the exact values, but I know that running on 122 or less will be stable on less than half of the nominal power)
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nice to see some piece of truth over here (not perfect, but well explained)
de-noobing is good from time to time
xda is overcrowded of false answers given by people thinking they know but don't
anywhere, at anytime, newbies asking get fake answers from people wanting to help but failing to do so , due to lack of knowledge.
as everyone, i might be one of these, but try not to be.
make sure you know what you are talking about before spreading your (incomplete or false) knowledge
this was my thought of the day
matmutant said:
nice to see some piece of truth over here (not perfect, but well explained)
de-noobing is good from time to time
xda is overcrowded of false answers given by people thinking they know but don't
anywhere, at anytime, newbies asking get fake answers from people wanting to help but failing to do so , due to lack of knowledge.
as everyone, i might be one of these, but try not to be.
make sure you know what you are talking about before spreading your (incomplete or false) knowledge
this was my thought of the day
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Would you mind to add that to FAQs to avoid false answers?
Tom.K said:
Would you mind to add that to FAQs to avoid false answers?
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of course i don't
do you mean only the explanation about oc/uv ?
i can add it, note that a while ago i wrote pieces of information about those things
Hey, thanks a lot for all the replies. I had no idea why my settings worked like i wanted.
Hello,
I installed cyanogenmod a few months ago and want to overclock now. Anybody who knows if it is dangerous? Is it possible that your cpu breaks down faster because of the overclocking? which are the acceptable cpu settings?
thanks
Lambo6 said:
Hello,
I installed cyanogenmod a few months ago and want to overclock now. Anybody who knows if it is dangerous? Is it possible that your cpu breaks down faster because of the overclocking? which are the acceptable cpu settings?
thanks
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It's not that dangerous, but your cpu will wear out faster than normal, because a highter clockspeed means more heat. Acceptable cpu-settings? Depends... most phones seem to handle 691 without problems, anything above that is luck of the draw.
Set your desired cpu-settings (don't use set-on-boot)
If the setting is higher than your cpu can handle you will start experiencing crashes. If you have found a stable frequency for your phone, you can set it on boot so you don't have to think about that every time you restart your phone. If you set an unstable frequency and use set-on-boot, you will get a bootloop.
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It's not that dangerous, but your cpu will wear out faster than normal, because a highter clockspeed means more heat. Acceptable cpu-settings? Depends... most phones seem to handle 691 without problems, anything above that is luck of the draw.
Set your desired cpu-settings (don't use set-on-boot)
If the setting is higher than your cpu can handle you will start experiencing crashes. If you have found a stable frequency for your phone, you can set it on boot so you don't have to think about that every time you restart your phone. If you set an unstable frequency and use set-on-boot, you will get a bootloop.
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So the higher the frequency, the faster the cpu will wear out, just because of the heat. I will keep an eye on that.
thanks
Lambo6 said:
So the higher the frequency, the faster the cpu will wear out, just because of the heat. I will keep an eye on that.
thanks
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When playing high-end games, I always put the cpu-clockspeed to 729 mhz...