today i experienced any phone holders worst nightmare... dropping your pride and joy in water!
but after this i quickly turned the phone off, used an hairdryer xD and put everything back in, and as if by magic, it was alive!!
although the screen did shatter :/
so is this amazing piece of technology really water proof?
No it is NOT.
You`re lucky this time, but if you ever send it in for any repair they may deny warranty because of the moisture indicators.
Most phones or any electronic devices for that matter survive a (short) drop in water due to multiple reasons:
- the case is relatively airtight. Water cannot immediately "flood" the device
- Water is a very bad electrical conductor (except if you drop it into saltwater or the unflushed toiled)
As far as conductivity is conserned, it's possible to run naked computers (no case, ...) in purified water.
However there an other issue kicks in: corrosin. Water is a very agressive substance (mainly due to oxygen) and will "eat" away electrical conductors very quickly and cause irreparable damages.
Drying off your phone may not be enough, it's recommended to:
- immediately pull the battery (that's one of the reasons I wouldn't want to get one with built-in battery)
- put it into a bag with dry rice and/or grounded herbs (whatever you have at hand) so that it's completely covered
- put it in a somewhat warm (or sunny) location so that the water vaporates and is taken up by the rice (You may want to stir once a day)
- keep fingers crossed and boot
Note that water-caused damage must not always be visible from the beginning. It's sufficient for a small component to die (e.g. a capacitor) so that in the following days/weeks/months the other parts overload too and the components start failing one after another.
Usually you're fine though.
dazlehd said:
today i experienced any phone holders worst nightmare... dropping your pride and joy in water!
but after this i quickly turned the phone off, used an hairdryer xD and put everything back in, and as if by magic, it was alive!!
although the screen did shatter :/
so is this amazing piece of technology really water proof?
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good move on the hairdryer , just dont microwave it
Not waterproof
Defo lucky. Mine was simply rained upon whilst I was abroad and it is now not working - I didn't think of the hairdryer at the time. The company I sent it into for repairs said that the motherboard has corroded and that it needs replacing. Naturally, it will not turn on and I still want the data off of it though - any suggestions?
Lucky this time. Be careful... huh.
but some people have reported the same other forums. "Blumps, drying, works!"
No it isn't but in many cases a phone can be resurrected. Most important is to not turn it on until it is fully dry.
My friend dropped his S2 in about 50cm of salt / seawater while we were fishing. Took us a minute to find it. I used a knife to remove the screws and opened it up. Before that I rinsed it in fresh water. Let it dry for about an hour, put it back together and it worked just like before. That was 6 months ago and its still running fine.
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Hallo
I have a HD2 (T8585) which accidentally was dropped into water. (There goes
the warranty into the water too). The phone was
opened and let to dry on a warm place for some time. Now, when I switch on
the HD2, I am unable to swich ON the mobile. The battery measures 3.8v.
I tried to switch ON the HD2 with the charger, but unsuccessful.
Can u share your experience / tips on repairing the same please.
The charging LED doesnt light on or the pressing the switch on button also
doesnt help.
This is a 3 month old HD2 in very good physical state ( but for water damage).
I really dont want to throw away such a nice phone or dismantle to parts
for spareparts price.
Please provide tips on what to check / measure after opening the
back cover > battery > 4 screws > ?
I have (2 cents worth) basic knowledge of electronics and would like to get it alive.
Thanks
Alertme
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The phone was
opened and let to dry on a warm place for some time.
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Depending on the length of time it was submerged and how it was "opened" to let dry, it is often possible to save a phone from contact with liquid.
Obviously absolute MINIMAL time in water or any other liquid will improve your chances, as well as immediate removal of the battery.
The phone should be disassembled as much as possible and excess liquid should be removed. The parts should then be placed in a warm (not hot!) location with low humidity such as in a bag with rice or silica packets (if handy) to absorb moisture. It should then be allowed to dry for at least 48 hours (the longer the better).
Since you did not state how long your phone was exposed to the liquid and exactly what steps you took to dry it, I cannot say whether or not it is possible to salvage it. The fact that it is not powering on or charging is definately not a good sign.
I have (2 cents worth) basic knowledge of electronics and would like to get it alive.
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Unfortunately it may require a bit more than 2 cents of electronic knowledge to repair severe water damage. Assuming it can be repaired at all...
If you want to try you need to remove the circuit boards and carefully clean any corrosion around all the contacts.
Use a q-tip and very soft toothbrush to remove corrosion. Distilled water or a pure alchohol or solvent that contains no oil or other ingredients and will evaporate compeltly can be used. This is a tedious process and every electrical component must be cleaned.
Once the componets are clean, carfully wash (if nessecary) and dry the circuit board and all electrical contacts. Place it in a warm dry bag (with rice or silica packets) and let it dry for at least 12hrs (longer is better). Do not use heat or direct sunlight to speed up the drying process. Once the compenents are dry again, reassemble your device. Make sure the battery is cleaned and dry as well. (If possible use an alternate battery.)
Power on the device. If you still get no power/charging/boot then swear loudly and punch a hole in the wall.
Good luck.
Fully Agree with your post faelok, sadly you did not complete your last sentence:
Faelok said:
...... then swear loudly and punch a hole in the wall.
Good luck.
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Take some glue and put the HD2 brick in it...
Wilco said:
Fully Agree with your post faelok, sadly you did not complete your last sentence:
Take some glue and put the HD2 brick in it...
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Ouch...
You know what I was thinking might be funny though? Take it out to a public place somewhere and pretend to have an angry conversation on it, then yell "OH YEA!?!? WELL $^%# YOU TOO!!" then smash it on the ground.
Then enjoy the reactions on the faces of the unsuspecting public.
My roommate spilled god only knows what on her Thunderbolt. This is her 4th and they cancelled her warranty so no replacement. She has since moved to AT&T and the iPhone. Gave me this mess and said I can do "whatever" with it. I already took out the 32Gb memory card for my HD2 (WP7) As for the rest of it, I'm not sure what I should do. The phone won't power on at all!
1) Toss it in the garbage after smashing it and running over with my car.
2) Send it away to be checked and an estimate for repair. Has anyone on here had any luck with those places? I would like an android phone to load various roms and help test for developers on here.
3) Try to fix it myself. Currently I've disassembled the entire phone and put in a bag of white rice over a weekend. Reassembled, but not change. Is there a good site with a writeup of how to proceed in this situation.
Put it in rice for a few days. Your chances of saving it go up significantly if you do it immediately after it's wet and even higher if it was off when wet. I can tell you now though if she's already moved it's already dried (it's been a few days at least). If it doesn't turn on now it is a glorified paperweight. It will never turn on again. You can send it off for an estimate but they're going to tell you one thing: totaled. Multiple things on the board would have been shorted as well as some to all peripherals. Parts and labor would be many times more than buying the phone new at retail.
It's not necessarily dead, and using rice is only good if the phone has water (as in pure fresh water) damage only. If it's pool water, salt water, a sugary drink, etc, then a bag of rice is the absolute worse thing you can it your phone in. Get a toothbrush and some 91% or higher alcohol. Take the EMI shields off of the board and clean it as good as you can. Don't forget to clean out the microUSB port as well. Also if you do get some lights when you pug it in, but no picture, then shine a light on it when it,s on and see if you see anything. HTC makes lovely phones, but their LCDs tend to die quite easily when they come in contact with water. If you have no use for it, I would be happy to take it off your hands. I repair phones full time for a living, and I have an extra LCD that I could test on the phone. If it turns out to be fixable, then we can get into details, if not, I can either toss it or send it back to you. Send me a PM if you're interested.
In the future invest $59 in waterproofing the device. You can swim with it or drop it in a fish tank as a conversation piece and it will still function normally.
http://www.liquipel.com/
The battery could be dead. You could see if a friend has one, or bring it to VZ on the off chance you could get a decent tech to help you.
I dropped my phone in a lake, completely submerged and waterlogged. I dried it out over an AC for a day and it booted back up. The screen had some distortions for a while which cleared up over a few days (Still some very minor lingering damage, almost unnoticeable). Actually the only thing that really became a permanent annoyance to me was that the speaker seemed to get damaged and has been slightly muffled ever since.
All that was 6 months ago. This phone has been a tank, it's earned my respect...
Hi guys. Today my future sister in law, bumped a table & my Flyer fell in a bucket of soapy water. I pulled it out in seconds, but it was fully submerged.
I'm saying all this because, 5 hours later it's still working like normal. Switched it off & on. I'm busy charging as I type this. Camera & SD card seem okay. Only thing is I had to remove my screen cover.
I will update you if my Flyer dies any thime soon
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It sounds stupid but the best thing to do now is to screw it open and wash it with pure water. Though everything is working now I assume the detergent in the soap will affect the electronic parts very soon.
Looks like HTC is making waterproof phones. My HTC TyTNII was in the washing machine, then the dryer and afterwarts washed it with pure water and dried it in the oven @ 50 degrees. It worked perfectly after that for 3 more years when I retired the phone!
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It sounds stupid but the best thing to do now is to screw it open and wash it with pure water. Though everything is working now I assume the detergent in the soap will affect the electronic parts very soon.
Looks like HTC is making waterproof phones. My HTC TyTNII was in the washing machine, then the dryer and afterwarts washed it with pure water and dried it in the oven @ 50 degrees. It worked perfectly after that for 3 more years when I retired the phone!
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Wouldn't recommend more water ! If possible open unit and remove power, place in airing cupboard (i.e. a warm very dry place) for a week. Brought a Nokia phone back to life that had been through the washing machine by doing this - good as new and a lot cleaner afterwards !
Put it in a bag of rice. The rice will help draw out excess moisture.
Submerge it in alcohol. Then put it in the bag of rice just to be on the safe side. Atleast for 3 days
One question though. If I unscrew & open, won't I void my warranty? Or is it void already because of the water?
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Wouldn't recommend more water ! If possible open unit and remove power, place in airing cupboard (i.e. a warm very dry place) for a week. Brought a Nokia phone back to life that had been through the washing machine by doing this - good as new and a lot cleaner afterwards !
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Usually you never want to use more water. But if it is soapy water like the TS mentioned all the soap leftovers will stick on the internal circuit and WILL cause harm and corrosion. Therefore my advice still is to clean it with pure water (or mineral water, dont know the correcty word, it is also used in car batteries).
With the battery removed this will not cause harm to the circuits and will remove the soap. Off course you need to dry it afterwards and put the parts in a bag of rice or in the oven at low temperature.
maybe your tablet will function perfectly for the rest of its life, but is the soap generates some corrosion on the circuit board the damage will 100 percent be permanent and not repairable.
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Hi guys. Today my future sister in law, bumped a table & my Flyer fell in a bucket of soapy water. I pulled it out in seconds, but it was fully submerged.
I'm saying all this because, 5 hours later it's still working like normal. Switched it off & on. I'm busy charging as I type this. Camera & SD card seem okay. Only thing is I had to remove my screen cover.
I will update you if my Flyer dies any thime soon
Sent from my HTC Flyer P510e
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Buy yourself a new one, as her wedding present ?
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One question though. If I unscrew & open, won't I void my warranty? Or is it void already because of the water?
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Your warranty is void. HTC puts moisture sensing stickers inside their devices. If any of the stickers are red (meaning they were exposed to moisture) they will not honor the warranty. They are very strict on this.
Rule of thumb for any phone or similar device, if it gets wet/immersed is to power down (remove the battery if possible) and don't power back on until you dry it out. Rice, desiccant packs, and other methods are recommended to insure proper drying. You just got lucky so far, and all it takes is some water to get in the wrong place and cause a short circuit.
My guess is that the seams on the Flyer are tight enough, that the few seconds of immersion were not enough for water (or enough water) to get inside. Be sure by powering down and drying it out (possibly disassembling as others have recommended).
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Usually you never want to use more water. But if it is soapy water like the TS mentioned all the soap leftovers will stick on the internal circuit and WILL cause harm and corrosion. Therefore my advice still is to clean it with pure water (or mineral water, dont know the correcty word, it is also used in car batteries).
With the battery removed this will not cause harm to the circuits and will remove the soap. Off course you need to dry it afterwards and put the parts in a bag of rice or in the oven at low temperature.
maybe your tablet will function perfectly for the rest of its life, but is the soap generates some corrosion on the circuit board the damage will 100 percent be permanent and not repairable.
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What you need to use to remove any dried soap (white spots).. is Isopropyl Alcohol (90-91%), available at almost any pharmacy or electronics supply. Only this. Absolutely no more water of any kind. Apply with a paper towel, no need to dry... it will evaporate quickly.
Edit: forgot to add, IMHO... redpoint73 (above), gave you the best advice, fwiw.
Just an update. Flyer still working perfectly. Have switched it on & off a few times. Just seems to charge a bit slower than normal, or I could be using it a lot during charging...
But I've decided to back up my data, & when/if it packs up I'll get a new one.
Sent from my HTC Flyer P510e
Another update.
Today Flyer stopped vibrating. Have already backed up data, though.
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A slow death
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A slow death
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LOL. That it is. But I want to see how slow this death is. To warn other people at least.
Having my data backed up is one thing though. Thinking of switching to Samsung, because I want ICS.
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Yep. On Monday I dropped my S4 in the pool and it spend a good 20 seconds underwater. It was in the deepest part of my pool and I wasn't about to jump into the cold water to get it. I have insurance and all that, so I just grabbed a net and pulled it out.
I was almost certain that this phone wouldn't be working no matter what I did. Still, I pulled the battery out the second I got it out of the water and stuck it in rice for about 24 hours. The first 10 hours or so I left it in a hot room that may have had 10% humidity, and the last 14 hours I put it in a dry, cold room.
Lo and behold this morning when I put the battery in and held the power button, it powered up! Everything works - earpiece, speaker, both mic's, notification light, proximity, IR, screen, digitizer, headphone jack, capacitive buttons/lights, home button, etc. etc. Everything works!
Pretty awesome to be honest, Wanted to gloat a bit.
Had that happen to my S3. It worked pretty good for a few days and then it would get VERY hot and battery would only last about 4 hours.
I found some corrosion on the mobo from the chlorinated pool water. Perhaps you won't have that issue but if you do, PM me and I'll let you know what drastic measure I took to fix it. I rather not put it out there to all in fear someone will do it and then blame me for any issues they have lol.
It took nothing but about $7.00 and my time.
Good luck!
video or it didn't happen.
haha jk that's awesome man!
This has inspired me to start showering with my phone.
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That's a awesome story there glad it still worked I do have a question did you have a case or no if so what?
FYI, If this happens to anyone else:
If an electronic device gets dunked in water one thing you can do is to disassemble it as far as you're comfortable doing and then re-dunk the device in distilled water. The distilled water will help remove residues left behind by tap water or pool water. Works best when said device is still wet from original dunk.
Then if you have some on hand, an electronics circuit cleaner can be sprayed liberally all over and in to displace the remaining water. The cleaning solvent will evaporate much faster and safer for the device.
Then I'd stick said device in a bag of rice in a heated room. And pray. Because more often then not it won't matter what you do the device will still be ruined.
Tried to recreate the pool drop......phone DID work fine, but screen cracked when it hit the ice. Gotta love Wisconsin!
Thats such crap! i get pulled into a pool by drunk friend with the S4 in my pocket. Wasnt even in the water for 10 seconds and my S4 never ever turned on again. I guess they are not all made equal lol
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FYI, If this happens to anyone else:
If an electronic device gets dunked in water one thing you can do is to disassemble it as far as you're comfortable doing and then re-dunk the device in distilled water. The distilled water will help remove residues left behind by tap water or pool water. Works best when said device is still wet from original dunk.
Then if you have some on hand, an electronics circuit cleaner can be sprayed liberally all over and in to displace the remaining water. The cleaning solvent will evaporate much faster and safer for the device.
Then I'd stick said device in a bag of rice in a heated room. And pray. Because more often then not it won't matter what you do the device will still be ruined.
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That sounds like it would be a good idea, using a clean water without any minerals, chemicals, etc. in it to go ahead and flush everything out. I didn't do this. I was cleaning my pool mainly because it hadn't been touched in a while and there wasn't any chlorine in the water. Usually that's bad for a pool owner, algae, but for me this time it seems to have been a blessing.
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Thats such crap! i get pulled into a pool by drunk friend with the S4 in my pocket. Wasnt even in the water for 10 seconds and my S4 never ever turned on again. I guess they are not all made equal lol
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It also depends on how well taken care of the water is. If it had a high chlorine level it can cause corrosion much faster than usual.
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That's a awesome story there glad it still worked I do have a question did you have a case or no if so what?
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Yep! I had this Cruzer-Light case on my phone at the time. It's extremely tight fitting on the device, usually peels off the back-cover whenever I take it off. I'm sure it helped because it sealed the edges along the back cover.
The water-strip underneath the battery on the phone and the strip on the battery triggered, but I didn't find any water on the SDCard or the SIM. So maybe the case helped with that a little bit.
Wow, that's amazing!
I recently installed a screen protector that requires dipping in soapy water before applying and that I did.
This device is supposedly IP68 but after I applied the screen protector the phone went crazy!! screen turned off, no touch... after a couple hours screen back on but phone is buggy when it boots, laggy boot logo and touch after 1 full day still isnt responding!! Not to mention I hear camera noise (the one you hear when launching camera app) every time I boot the phone as if its launching camera as well?? WTH is this?? anybody got any suggestions? I placed the phone in a rice bowl and waiting for more hours or days to try it again but anybody faced similar issues? is my device broken because of this??? isnt it supposed to be water proof?!
I wash my phone regularly and don't have any issues. But I don't dip it into soap water, just wash it under stream and soap it outside of water (I also did this with not protected phone without any issue, just need to avoid the external ports).
IP rating is about clean water. Dipping it into soap water can mess the protection since the surface tension is not the same, so where water can't enter a hole of a certain size (for example the speakers grid), soap water could. And since soap are particules into water they can be conductive (water is not that conductive if pure) and mess with electronic if powered.
That is about the theory. Now Sony only make IP68 rated phones because their main market is japan, where people love to use their phone in their bath and that is a real selling point there. So it's weird your got broken by a small amount of soap. Did you try to remove the screen protector? Maybe it is messing with the touch part of the screen.
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I wash my phone regularly and don't have any issues. But I don't dip it into soap water, just wash it under stream and soap it outside of water (I also did this with not protected phone without any issue, just need to avoid the external ports).
IP rating is about clean water. Dipping it into soap water can mess the protection since the surface tension is not the same, so where water can't enter a hole of a certain size (for example the speakers grid), soap water could. And since soap are particules into water they can be conductive (water is not that conductive if pure) and mess with electronic if powered.
That is about the theory. Now Sony only make IP68 rated phones because their main market is japan, where people love to use their phone in their bath and that is a real selling point there. So it's weird your got broken by a small amount of soap. Did you try to remove the screen protector? Maybe it is messing with the touch part of the screen.
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Baths are generally taken with water only. You shower before getting in the tub so I think you're right about the soap changing the water tension.
3 days ago (8 sept) my Xperia 1 died. I used to wash it regularly in the shower (and a little soap), then that day, a couple of hours after shower, simply turned off. No lights, no charging indicator, no screen, nada. This is really a sad week for me... And sad to say im moving to Samsung
I only could think in blaming the shower.. And if you ask why i washed regularly my phone, is that i work at a hospital er.
wasn't first time i washed it with little soap, practically did it every day, for 5 months. And it's weird my phone suddenly died hours after the shower.
Weird, same problem practically same day. Planned obsolescence??
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I wash my phone regularly and don't have any issues. But I don't dip it into soap water, just wash it under stream and soap it outside of water (I also did this with not protected phone without any issue, just need to avoid the external ports).
IP rating is about clean water. Dipping it into soap water can mess the protection since the surface tension is not the same, so where water can't enter a hole of a certain size (for example the speakers grid), soap water could. And since soap are particules into water they can be conductive (water is not that conductive if pure) and mess with electronic if powered.
That is about the theory. Now Sony only make IP68 rated phones because their main market is japan, where people love to use their phone in their bath and that is a real selling point there. So it's weird your got broken by a small amount of soap. Did you try to remove the screen protector? Maybe it is messing with the touch part of the screen.
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but its not like I dipped it... the screen protector was dipped and then placed on my device, it wasnt soaking it just left water marks that had to be removed using a tool to stick the protector Id understand if it was dipped in soapy water it could break it but it was just a few drops and it hurts to see the phone got broken...
I dont know this is bad I used to do this on my XZ premium and it worked flawlessly immediately I mean if a phone is water proof and your theory applies on waterproof phones, that means a pool water could break it cuz its full of chlorine or sea water can break it due to salt and other elements...
but I spoke to a lab in my country and they ordered an original screen from Sony officially, but its gonna cost me around 300$...
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but its not like I dipped it... the screen protector was dipped and then placed on my device, it wasnt soaking it just left water marks that had to be removed using a tool to stick the protector Id understand if it was dipped in soapy water it could break it but it was just a few drops and it hurts to see the phone got broken...
I dont know this is bad I used to do this on my XZ premium and it worked flawlessly immediately I mean if a phone is water proof and your theory applies on waterproof phones, that means a pool water could break it cuz its full of chlorine or sea water can break it due to salt and other elements...
but I spoke to a lab in my country and they ordered an original screen from Sony officially, but its gonna cost me around 300$...
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My bad, I understood you dipped the phone, I found that weird but who am I to judge? xD
There is no way some water on the screen that is just glass, or even into the speaker cut could break your phone, even non IP phone will not have problems with that.
Did you try to remove the screen protector? It would be the first thing to do, since it's the only new thing that could mess with the touch screen. And a bad screen protector could easily do that.
If you have already removed the screen protector and the phone is still bugged, then I really don't know what happen. I would try to use the warranty and ask a repair from Sony. In Europe there is a 2 year manufacturer warranty, so any Xperia 1 should still be able to use it. Dunno where you are from and what are the conditions there.
And yes, often it's written in the user manual that waterproofing is just against accidental immersion, and are not meant to go into a pool, and especially not into sea water (salt is the worst thing you will commonly find for electronic and generally any metal that can oxidize).
There were case of advertising showing phone taking photo under sea water, but with warranty void if done, written in the user manual...