I'm looking for the actual contract text, not someone's summary. This is because someone said that even unlimited data was capped at 5gb and that this fact was well known. The agreement I've found here only says that " if you use an extraordinary amount of data and fall within the top 5% of Verizon Wireless data users we may reduce your data throughput speeds periodically for the remainder of your then current and immediately following billing cycle to ensure high quality network performance for other users at locations and times of peak demand." I can't find the 5gb number anywhere. That was updated in February, so that may be why. I joined Verizon after unlimited was ended for new subs, so I can't look at mine. Thanks.
There are people here that use 10-20GB+... was even one person that had a little over 1TB of data used...
It's not capped at 5GB, the 5GB number was for tethering if you paid the extra $30 for the tethering application.
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It's not capped at 5GB, the 5GB number was for tethering if you paid the extra $30 for the tethering application.
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No in the contract it says if u use over 5GB they CAN terminate you contract. Apparently they don't but the can
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There are people here that use 10-20GB+... was even one person that had a little over 1TB of data used...
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I know that, that's actually why I'm looking for this. I think unlimited is unlimited and these people are not abusing anything. (I'm not saying VZW ending unlimited is wrong, just the justification they gave, namely abuse and network congestion [since they throttle the heavy users during that time anyway])
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It's not capped at 5GB, the 5GB number was for tethering if you paid the extra $30 for the tethering application.
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That would make sense as well, though that's an awfully low number. What's the point of tethering if that's all you can get?
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No in the contract it says if u use over 5GB they CAN terminate you contract. Apparently they don't but the can
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Can you link to the contract? Or scan one, or send a pdf? I'd like to actually see that instead of someone just telling me. Because someone else saying "no it doesn't" is just as valid an argument.
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I'm looking for the actual contract text, not someone's summary. This is because someone said that even unlimited data was capped at 5gb and that this fact was well known. The agreement I've found here only says that " if you use an extraordinary amount of data and fall within the top 5% of Verizon Wireless data users we may reduce your data throughput speeds periodically for the remainder of your then current and immediately following billing cycle to ensure high quality network performance for other users at locations and times of peak demand." I can't find the 5gb number anywhere. That was updated in February, so that may be why. I joined Verizon after unlimited was ended for new subs, so I can't look at mine. Thanks.
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There is no set number for unlimited data. That 5 gb is just an arbitrary number people have been throwing around here for a long time as to what was the top 5% number Verizon would use to slow down your data speed. I've exceeded it without any problems many times as have many others so its baseless.
I may have my receipt with the contract on it in the box for my Rezound, I'll see what I can come up with.
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There is no set number for unlimited data. That 5 gb is just an arbitrary number people have been throwing around here for a long time as to what was the top 5% number Verizon would use to slow down your data speed. I've exceeded it without any problems many times as have many others so its baseless.
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That's what I thought, but had no proof. I just get tired of people criticizing other people for using their bandwidth as much as they want. And, as it turns out, Verizon shouldn't've even been able to stop them from tethering, according to the FCC. I just wish Verizon would come out and say "we think we can make more money by ending unlimited data, so that's what we're doing". They won't, but I wish they would.
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There is no set number for unlimited data. That 5 gb is just an arbitrary number people have been throwing around here for a long time as to what was the top 5% number Verizon would use to slow down your data speed. I've exceeded it without any problems many times as have many others so its baseless.
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It was on Verizon's website it said if you have an unlimited plan you cant use it excessively. Excessive things include streaming video and downloading large files etc. If you use over 5 GB in a month you are using excessive amounts of data and your account can be terminated at our descretion basically. I read that from the Verizon website awhile ago, so its not arbitrary
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Interesting thread
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It was on Verizon's website it said if you have an unlimited plan you cant use it excessively. Excessive things include streaming video and downloading large files etc. If you use over 5 GB in a month you are using excessive amounts of data and your account can be terminated at our descretion basically. I read that from the Verizon website awhile ago, so its not arbitrary
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Link?
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This is an message my sister has been getting yesterday and today. She had been watching the Olympics at work. We have "unlimited data" on 3 lines.
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Idk if Its there anymore that was a while ago...
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I'm constantly over 10 GB worth of data per month. Last month was like 16+. Can they really terminate you for "excessive" use? Better start using WiFi more lol got spoiled with unlimited data.
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I'm constantly over 10 GB worth of data per month. Last month was like 16+. Can they really terminate you for "excessive" use? Better start using WiFi more lol got spoiled with unlimited data.
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I guess they could but they haven't done it at all yet. Maybe in a year or so they'll do that to get rid of unlimited data forever tho
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This is an message my sister has been getting yesterday and today. She had been watching the Olympics at work. We have "unlimited data" on 3 lines.
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That looks like a feature of the ROM, you can change the limit, or just leave it alone. It's designed for people with an actual cap to avoid overages.
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I guess they could but they haven't done it at all yet. Maybe in a year or so they'll do that to get rid of unlimited data forever tho
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You know I've been worried about that ever since they got rid of truely unlimited and went to data packages. They better not do away with the grandfathered in plans. Wouldn't be surprised if they did tho.
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That looks like a feature of the ROM, you can change the limit, or just leave it alone. It's designed for people with an actual cap to avoid overages.
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She is running the stock ICS OTA for her Droid Raze MAXX. I'll look to see if there is an option to disable this feature when I get home from work. Otherwise Verizon will be getting a phone call from me. from my ADR6425LVW using Tapatalk 2
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Idk if Its there anymore that was a while ago...
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I guess they could but they haven't done it at all yet. Maybe in a year or so they'll do that to get rid of unlimited data forever tho
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So far I haven't seen anything beyond hearsay that there was an actual limit to unlimited.
But if there was, that's crap. A company shouldn't be allowed to call it unlimited if it's got a limit. That seems like a truth-in-advertising issue.
And by the way, if streaming video is excessive, why did they get the rights to NFL mobile whose main draw is streaming video? It's just disingenuous to advertise something if you're not going to allow people to use it.
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unlimited doesnt mean its capped at 5g. but in the older contracts they defined "unlimited data" as 5gb
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In order to gain access to the developer threads I thought I would postulate a question here.
Some background that lead to this question was the rumor mill around Big Red sniffing out Rooted users that tether.
I checked my data usage online and was able to pull up the file size of all internet transactions over the air. I could assume that if I was to tether the PS3 or used my laptop to download some HD movies or something it may be a red flag to see like a 6 or 8 gig file. Also, with a tethered laptop there would be other things running in the background that may point to non cell usage. Not to mention probably a lot more data consumption in general if multiple sources are sharing the connection at the same time.
Now, say I was tethering my CM7 nook. Would not the data in both size and format be the same as the Thunderbolt. Is there even a way for the powers that be to tell that is is not the Thunderbolt. Maybe someone could shed some light on this as it is one of the questions that I have.
AdamT.
I use 5ish gbs on my phone only no tethering. Just saying.
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I am at about 3 gig with about 10 days to go, and have not tethered anything to my phone. What I am guessing is that a red flag would be a 3 gig file in one download. In my Verizon it lists the size of all your downloaded files. My question is more about the type of data requested/sent from a tethered android tab vs a laptop.
If they can keep track of the size of the download you can assume that they can tell the type of the file.
Bear in mind that these are the ramblings of a paranoid dude. Sorry if my question is as clelar as mud.
AdamT
Tethering is free. Use it as much as you want. They are using us to determine how much data can one pull with a 4G device.
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Tethering is free. Use it as much as you want. They are using us to determine how much data can one pull with a 4G device.
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So, I win if I can get the most?, Challenge accepted!
Also this is coming from one of the most data heavy users you can find (I've been known to pull 20+ gs ) If they could tell I would have been F'd months ago
So 4g tethering is free?
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So, I win if I can get the most?, Challenge accepted!
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I'm just saying...
A knowledgeable big red employee told me today that they have been tracking the top 5% of data users and "something" was about to come down. I don't tether so I didn't dig for any more info.
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I just wonder how much data the top 5% is using. Are we talking 100Gb, or would the top 5% be down to say 15 Gb.
Again, my original question still remains. Can they tell what kind of data you are using?
It does beg the question though, was free 4G tether a stress test on the new network, or a baseline for data consumption with tethered users?
Adamt.
It doesn't make any sense for some big red smackdown to be imminent. they are giving every thunderbolt owner free unlimited 4g (phone or tethering to any device, it doesn't matter). your packets go through verizon's servers so of course they can analyze all data. they could sniff/analyze the packets and steal your passwords or any other data if they wanted to, just like any other company can like comcast/sprint/att. but do they really care? i highly doubt it. why would they start throttling users without warning? what will happen is on may 15th they will announce whether or not we early adapters get to keep "unlimited" 4g. now its truly unlimited, but i would bet in the future they will have some fine print about a ___ GB limit. you are not going to get in trouble, and yes they could definitely/easily track if your hotspot app is running or not by various methods of network analysis. rooted phones are more of a gray area, but as amazing as LTE is compared to wimax, I'd gladly pay for the hotspot.
so basically... don't worry, wait and see what the rules are in may.
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I was talking to a friend that works at a verizon call center, talking about whether or not to get the thunderbolt. she said 3 things-don't get the thunderbolt cuz we don't have 4g, wait for the bionic cuz its bad ass, and she heard a rumor about data packages for the thunderbolt going up to $45 a month.
maybe the rise in price has to do with it?
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She said, "The TB has no 4g"? Or Verizon has no 4g?
QUOTE=jordanzink;12763474]I was talking to a friend that works at a verizon call center, talking about whether or not to get the thunderbolt. she said 3 things-don't get the thunderbolt cuz we don't have 4g, wait for the bionic cuz its bad ass, and she heard a rumor about data packages for the thunderbolt going up to $45 a month.
maybe the rise in price has to do with it?
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I was talking to a friend that works at a verizon call center, talking about whether or not to get the thunderbolt. she said 3 things-don't get the thunderbolt cuz we don't have 4g, wait for the bionic cuz its bad ass, and she heard a rumor about data packages for the thunderbolt going up to $45 a month.
maybe the rise in price has to do with it?
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No offense, but your friend doesn't seem to have thought out what she said very well. They aren't going to up data plan prices on those that already have contracts. They could yes, but you can bail on your contract without paying termination fees if they do so as well. Also, since the bionic will have LTE data (even if you don't use it), you will be stuck in the same contract as any of those that have the TB and if by chance they do raise prices and do so before you have the contract, you'll be paying the higher priced data plan.
Also, the bionic is similar to the atrix, just as the thunderbolt is similar to the inspire and other than the 2 core cpu, which will be more of a hindrance to performance for quite a while than improvement and the hdmi abilities, they dont have hugely contrasting specs. Well, other than moto blur, which is a shoddy piece of software and the locked bootloader that has about as much of a chance of being unlocked as you do winning a multi-million dollar lottery .
Reading threads like these helps me confirm why I think most people are idiots...
I will be moving from a "talk" phone to a new TB or ?? in the next week so I have been reading and trying to figure it all out for the past 2 weeks now.
A quick question...assuming I get the Thunderbolt.
I will purchase the unlimited talk plan from Verizon, then add the $30 unlimited data plan. If I root my phone (plan to do) then do or will I need to also purchase the hotspot ($20) service from Verizon as well?
If I read things correctly, all I need is the unlimited talk and data plans ($99) and I am good to go. I can then use my phone to connect my laptop to the internet and surf on it when I need to. Is this correct?
Thanks
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It doesn't make any sense for some big red smackdown to be imminent. they are giving every thunderbolt owner free unlimited 4g (phone or tethering to any device, it doesn't matter). your packets go through verizon's servers so of course they can analyze all data. they could sniff/analyze the packets and steal your passwords or any other data if they wanted to, just like any other company can like comcast/sprint/att. but do they really care? i highly doubt it. why would they start throttling users without warning? what will happen is on may 15th they will announce whether or not we early adapters get to keep "unlimited" 4g. now its truly unlimited, but i would bet in the future they will have some fine print about a ___ GB limit. you are not going to get in trouble, and yes they could definitely/easily track if your hotspot app is running or not by various methods of network analysis. rooted phones are more of a gray area, but as amazing as LTE is compared to wimax, I'd gladly pay for the hotspot.
so basically... don't worry, wait and see what the rules are in may.
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I have this thing called a contract with Verizon. It's for two years. Big red doesn't get to decide if I get to keep my unlimited 4G on May 15th. If they send me a text message on the 15th saying my 4G plan is now changed, I get out of my contract without an ETF and go about my business.
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I was talking to a friend that works at a verizon call center, talking about whether or not to get the thunderbolt. she said 3 things-don't get the thunderbolt cuz we don't have 4g, wait for the bionic cuz its bad ass, and she heard a rumor about data packages for the thunderbolt going up to $45 a month.
maybe the rise in price has to do with it?
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Sadly, no offense to your friend, but they would appear to know about as much as everyone else in VZW's call centers when it comes to things not read off their support terminal, which is to say exceedingly little, and nothing to be trusted.
Now while it is possible VZW decides to raise their LTE data plan prices for new customers they will not raise the prices on existing customers while they are in contract. Reason being doing so constitutes a breech of contract on their part which means you can legally break your contract without penalty. A contract is a two way street. You agree to pay $X per month for a set length of time (24 months in this case) and in exchange VZW agrees to provide you services as lined out in the contract for the duration of said contract. If any party performs an action that is in violation of that contract then said contract can be considered null and void and depending on which party caused said contract to be nullified the breech could be subject to any liquidated damages stipulated in said contract (read ETF's).
Now back to your regularly scheduled insanity...
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Reading threads like these helps me confirm why I think most people are idiots...
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Agreed. 100%. Reading some of these threads make me paranoid as well.
Though I do have to wonder. If I were to tether my TB to my Eye-Fi SD card to upload photos, whether they would notice, care or know. Idears?
The fine print for when I ordered my TB says that tethering is free until May 15th, 2011. It's a "trial".
In my opinion, I think Sprint should do a 10GB or 5GB data cap before throttling.
Why?
We will NEVER have decent speeds due to thousands of people abusing the "Unlimited"
If there was a cap, the people that are using their phones for home internet and torrenting using well over 30GB of data a month and they got throttled it would help the network A LOT!
Most of us dont even use more than 5 Gigs a month anyways.
The whole unlimited thing just isn't realistic
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In my opinion, I think Sprint should do a 10GB or 5GB data cap before throttling.
Why?
We will NEVER have decent speeds due to thousands of people abusing the "Unlimited"
If there was a cap, the people that are using their phones for home internet and torrenting using well over 30GB of data a month and they got throttled it would help the network A LOT!
Most of us dont even use more than 5 Gigs a month anyways.
The whole unlimited thing just isn't realistic
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I'm actually starting to think the same, I'm tired of having to be dealing with horrible internet speeds due to people who constantly brag about torrenting/downloading/tethering 10GB's+ a month, if they are so desperate they should just pay for home internet.
Yeah, having a data cap of 10Gigs or even 5 wouldnt be a problem. There is NO way we could use that much data unless we are torrenting or doing something ridiculous. Plus, we would have WAY better speeds
10 I'd be ok with 5 not so much
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I Completely Disagree
If you want a data cap go to Verizon and pay for the more decent speeds, If you want to be throttled go to T-Mobile. Sprint is marketing its unlimited data which brings it its customers. I agree that people are using too much but to each his own since they paid for Unlimited
Let the flaming begin
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Yeah I could handle 10GB when I was with tmobile i use 5+ in under 2weeks
Now I average 7-11GB
No torrents or teathering
Just YouTube and email/web browsing
My question to the OP and anyone who thinks this is a good idea... "have YOU ever been throttled?
It sucks and I've had it stick for a few months in a row with tmobile... They gave me some nice credits but it was garbage that they couldn't even fix/turn it off when it should be...
Time will come when Sprint will have throttled/tiered data... But not any time this year or first quarter so I'm good (contract ends in June)
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I am going to agree, tiered data plans are the only way we will ever see good speeds. The unlimited can stay but not at current pricing. You are completely right, because the people that abuse it are the ones too cheap to get separate internet plans for home and mobile. They are the ones destroying our speeds. At the same time, some of the problem is sprints network equipment, but when you can do a speed test and see higher upload speeds than download, that is a symptom of capacity, too many people using the download stream at the same time.
I do agree. Capping data would be great because
-It will stop people from using it as their primary connection
-It will make more people go on WiFi when they are at their homes
-People will stop using data like crazy
If they do cap it, it should be reasonable like 3-5GB cap or if you have 2+ people (family plan) 8-10GB cap. This will actually help data speeds a lot. Remember how you got 2000 kb/s that time at 3am in the morning? Data will basically be that fast all the time.
Well I'm a hoger but I also like a cap so it can make me stop using so much even if I try to use a bit I go over so I'm trying to cut back so other can have 3g I do have 4g and lately this month I've been using it more thoe
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or the best way to have fast 3g all of us is sprint to add evdo rev b and advance to it 4g so we can use to but we know sprint is stupid and follow the blue and red haters
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I'm pretty sure it would suck just as bad with a data cap...
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I'm pretty sure it would suck just as bad with a data cap...
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exactly. their slow data has more to due to congestion (in terms of amount of people) than people abusing the unlimited data. remember, every one had unlimited data 1.5 years ago and did not have these speed issues you see on sprint.
Sounds good to me.
But I really wish that USA had a GSM dominated cellular market. HSPA+ is just sooo much better than 3G on Sprint...The one thing I really like about ATT and T-MO.
As long as Sprint continues to offer unconditional unlimited data people will use it to the maximum capacity. That is the nature of anything unlimited. As a result, quality decreases for all.
You should also be taking full advantage of your data, you pay for it and Sprint prides itself on providing it. Think of it as a buffet.
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Sounds good to me.
But I really wish that USA had a GSM dominated cellular market. HSPA+ is just sooo much better than 3G on Sprint...The one thing I really like about ATT and T-MO.
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That n phones could be used anywhere in the world lol
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i have a 30mb connection at my home that i pay for, i still use 20-30gb a month because I'm not home, I'm a truck driver. i vpn to my home network, i netflix, i YouTube. it is against the TOS to torrent but i don't on sprint because i can at home then download the tottered objects through tonido and subsonic.
there is a market for unlimited, i couldn't go to Verizon or att because i can't afford the $300 monthly bill
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My question to the OP and anyone who thinks this is a good idea... "have YOU ever been throttled?
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I was throttled on T-Mobile... I hated it with the passion of a thousand burning suns
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I use Netflix and YouTube and other various streams while I am at work, and when I need a program I download it on my phone and some tethering.... I use well over 8gb a month... and that's just me, there are three people on my plan (who use significantly less) Fastest connection I can get at home is a 768kbps and I'm too far away to use the WiFi on my phone (not that I use my phone at home anyways) but I tether when my sisters decide to rape our house connection. I don't torrent with it but I still use a ton of data.
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I use Netflix and YouTube and other various streams while I am at work, and when I need a program I download it on my phone and some tethering.... I use well over 8gb a month... and that's just me, there are three people on my plan (who use significantly less) Fastest connection I can get at home is a 768kbps and I'm too far away to use the WiFi on my phone (not that I use my phone at home anyways) but I tether when my sisters decide to rape our house connection. I don't torrent with it but I still use a ton of data.
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That's another point why it will suck when and if they throttle...
Netflix cannot be watch let alone youtube... And don't get me started on the lonely nights my girlfriend is out of town and I watch pRon..... It all would be impossible...
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I Completely Disagree
If you want a data cap go to Verizon and pay for the more decent speeds, If you want to be throttled go to T-Mobile. Sprint is marketing its unlimited data which brings it its customers. I agree that people are using too much but to each his own since they paid for Unlimited
Let the flaming begin
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I guess you didnt see the wsj about Sprints unlimited data today? I hope you all don't expect Sprint to still have unlimited data by the end of 2012.
At 2.9 gb for the month. In 3g area I usually get about 1.4 upload on speed test. Now in getting .19 consistently ....
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At 2.9 gb for the month. In 3g area I usually get about 1.4 upload on speed test. Now in getting .19 consistently ....
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You had probally reached your data plan limit, now you are running in a lower donwload speeds. Thanks
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Have grandfathered unlimited data plan so. I couldn't have reached limit on plan
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I have grandfathered unlimited data as well. I have not noticed this and I often go over 200/300 gigs a month as I use my phone as my sole internet source.
I am curious if they ever do throttle grandfathered unlimited data users.
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...I often go over 200/300 gigs a month as I use my phone as my sole internet source.
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This is why carriers have gone to tiered data.. just sayin'
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I have grandfathered unlimited data as well. I have not noticed this and I often go over 200/300 gigs a month as I use my phone as my sole internet source.
I am curious if they ever do throttle grandfathered unlimited data users.
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Me too... At work streaming pandora & at home playing FPS games & downloading videos, movies... lol I dont use that much though... damn
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This is why carriers have gone to tiered data.. just sayin'
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No, they went to tiered data so they can bill the end user for more money while instilling the belief that people are using too much data and they can't support it.
It reminds me of the early 80s when the gas prices climbed to .75¢ a gallon and the gloom and doom prophets said the outrageous price increase was because of a limited supply, and the world would be completely devoid of fossil fuels by...wait for it...1987. Now, I have looked around, and I see that people, nearly 30 years after the world ran out of gas, are still buying the same old BS and paying upwards of $5 a gallon...while the price in Venezuela on Monday was...get this...18¢ a gallon after converting to USD.
So, don't buy the whole limited bandwidth BS. My school has multiple Gigabit connections and probably runs through more data than the average small country because its a super computing node for some high end government cluster. I asked one of the EE professors how close they were to maxing out the fiber optic line coming in and he said "oh, occasionally we will hit half a percent of total capacity".
Moral of the story: they charge you more for tiered data because you will pay it.
Now, calling someone a ****ing moron because you believe the utter BS that a greed filled multinational conglomerate feeds you about why they want to charge you more dollars for less product is somewhat odepian in nature don't you think?
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This is why carriers have gone to tiered data.. just sayin'
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Hey, I pay the $30 a month for the wireless tethering even though I know there are ways around it. I always pay my bill on time and I have been a loyal Verizon customer for years... So you bet I'm going to use the crap out of my grandfathered in unlimited data!!! Why would I pay another $100 a month to Verizon for Fios which would just give me what I already have through my phone...? INTERNET ACCESS!!!
While ATT truly throttles their customers based on TOTAL download, VZW's stance as I'm told prior to switching a few days ago, is: If you're on a particular tower and it is congested and you've used over 2 Gigs, your traffic will be "optimized" at a preferable speed to allow other users to use the service. So, they throttle based on tower congestion.. much fairer. If you connect to a different tower, then all the "throttling / optimization" goes away and you should be back to your normal 3g/4g speeds..until you return to the throttled tower.
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Have grandfathered unlimited data plan so. I couldn't have reached limit on plan
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Yep! Unlimited data plans are not that much unlimited. you have probably a caped internet, complain about it. :/
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Good day you used over 300GB and you still get good speed?
Do you drop data and if so does it happen more then 1 time a week?
I would like to know, becuase I have had some isuses and I don't know how/if I can fix it.
Thanks
Well I was at about 72GB yesterday and I downloaded a 13GB torrent file and was getting over 1.5MB down... So no I don’t think I was being throttled.
Complete ameture or "noob" as you guys say. Are these razrs simply not meant for 3g? I mean it works, but I had an iphone before and it took no time for a song on pandora to buffer. it takes an eternity on my razr.. Obviously the phone isn't firing on all cylinders in 3g but let's just say Iphone 3g > RAZR 3g. Somebody care to call me out and explain?
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Realize I spelled "amateur" wrong. Trying out swift key today and swype no longer is spelling for me.
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Droped data 3 times today in two places with -69dbm to -86dbm or 3-5 bars. It's really starting to bug me.
Me too, I came into android with the impression that everything was supposed to be more open and free, well I definitely feel tied down when I'm in 5 bars 3g blue lettering, and I start an app and it goes white lettering. It's ridiculous. I didn't understand what Sprint was talking about in those commercials talking about other companies slowing your data down, I fully understand what they mean now. I like android a lot, but this pisses me off.
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Me too, I came into android with the impression that everything was supposed to be more open and free, well I definitely feel tied down when I'm in 5 bars 3g blue lettering, and I start an app and it goes white lettering. It's ridiculous. I didn't understand what Sprint was talking about in those commercials talking about other companies slowing your data down, I fully understand what they mean now. I like android a lot, but this pisses me off.
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I really think this has more to do with your location than a blanket policy. I'm in Boston and the coverage is great here and I never have any of these issues.
You guys are seeing data-dropping and 3G/4G hand-off issues (not throttling). I see this often on the west side of Indianapolis. I spoke to VZW about it today:
https://forums.motorola.com/posts/97c770a3e8
I have been reading a lot in to it and I think thats it. It falls inline with what I was told about the phone geting an update. (He said it could very well be ICS too, but that seems unlikely now.)
This is the last thing that I would ever think to go bad with a motorola phone. I could see the GPU or CPU sucking or the FC all over, but I ever would have guessed data droping. Now I am starting to wish I got the 720p HTC phone.
I have a high degree of confidence that the issues will be resolved and that Motorola will remain the best hardware choice going forward on USA CDMA networks.
I am curious about what is "a lot" of data to one person compared to another. I have heard 2 GB described as "a lot" of data before, and I have also head 150 GB described as "a lot."
So what is "a lot" to you? How much data in a month do you go through? (Or, since you've owned the phone)
How much do you think is "too much" data to be using in a month?
What do you do that uses a lot of Data? (Downloads, Online Videos/Netflix/Youtube, Tethering?)
What do you do the most on your Sprint phone you feel you couldn't on other providers?
How much data in a month would you go through on a previous Sprint WiMAX phone? (If applicable)
How much data in a month would you go through on a previous non-Sprint smartphone? (If applicable)
How much data in a month would you go through when using a different phone?
Discussion welcome. I think this will be interesting to see from different users' perspectives. Also if anyone has had their account terminated for excessive data on Sprint or any other provider, please pipe in
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I am curious about what is "a lot" of data to one person compared to another. I have heard 2 GB described as "a lot" of data before, and I have also head 150 GB described as "a lot."
So what is "a lot" to you? How much data in a month do you go through? (Or, since you've owned the phone)
How much do you think is "too much" data to be using in a month?
What do you do that uses a lot of Data? (Downloads, Online Videos/Netflix/Youtube, Tethering?)
What do you do the most on your Sprint phone you feel you couldn't on other providers?
How much data in a month would you go through on a previous Sprint WiMAX phone? (If applicable)
How much data in a month would you go through on a previous non-Sprint smartphone? (If applicable)
How much data in a month would you go through when using a different phone?
Discussion welcome. I think this will be interesting to see from different users' perspectives. Also if anyone has had their account terminated for excessive data on Sprint or any other provider, please pipe in
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My Data Average usage is with:
Pandora ( modded ) ~ 11gb/mo
Netflix ~ 4gb/mo
FB, and others 1.5gb/mo
So nearly 17gb is a lot for me
How much do you think is "too much" data to be using in a month?
-2+GB/month
What do you do that uses a lot of Data?
-Google Music,Navigation,Youtube(when im actually in a good svs area,which is never.F YOU SPRINT)
What do you do the most on your Sprint phone you feel you couldn't on other providers?
-Nothing,really close to going to Verizon
How much data in a month would you go through on a previous Sprint WiMAX phone?
-Same because i never turned 4G on because Wimax sucked(980MB/month)
How much data in a month would you go through on a previous non-Sprint smartphone?
-same because their network has been **** for well over 4 years now(980MB/month)
How much data in a month would you go through when using a different phone?
-Same because no matter what phone I had the network was still the same(read above)
I use about 980MB/month
BrianBaker said:
How much do you think is "too much" data to be using in a month?
-2+GB/month
What do you do that uses a lot of Data?
-Google Music,Navigation,Youtube(when im actually in a good svs area,which is never.F YOU SPRINT)
What do you do the most on your Sprint phone you feel you couldn't on other providers?
-Nothing,really close to going to Verizon
How much data in a month would you go through on a previous Sprint WiMAX phone?
-Same because i never turned 4G on because Wimax sucked
How much data in a month would you go through on a previous non-Sprint smartphone?
-same because their network has been **** for well over 4 years now
How much data in a month would you go through when using a different phone?
-Same because no matter what phone I had the network was still the same(read above)
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You seem a littler butthurt that you live in a bad coverage area. Thanks for coming in my thread and contributing though :good:
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You seem a littler butthurt that you live in a bad coverage area. Thanks for coming in my thread and contributing though :good:
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That's the thing...I don't.This is just Sprints network.
Data usage
The last month I had my EVO 3D, I did about 13GB on 4G and 350MB on 3G. I had a lot of podcasts and I have a media server for streaming my recorded TV. I can only imagine that was a regular occurance. I never looked before. I was worried what no 4G would be like. Since I am on the EVO LTE without a network, I am wifi for most of my data now.
So what is "a lot" to you? How much data in a month do you go through? (Or, since you've owned the phone)
How much do you think is "too much" data to be using in a month? 125GB
What do you do that uses a lot of Data? (Downloads, Online Videos/Netflix/Youtube, Tethering?) Netflix, Pandora, tTorrent
What do you do the most on your Sprint phone you feel you couldn't on other providers? Use actual unlimited data
How much data in a month would you go through on a previous Sprint WiMAX phone? (If applicable) This is from this month on my 4G tablet, I have 17 days left in the billing cycle.
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How much data in a month would you go through when using a different phone? I plan on going through about the same amount on my EVO LTE (when I get LTE) that I do with my WiMax tablet.
^Using that much data per month is part of the reason why no one else is unlimited anymore.
I get the whole "Hey man it says Unlimited,yeeeeHaw Bandwidth here I come"
But 40GB/month is abuse.
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^Using that much data per month is part of the reason why no one else is unlimited anymore.
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I get the whole "Hey man it says Unlimited,yeeeeHaw Bandwidth here I come"
But 40GB/month is abuse.
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I've been using ~80GB a month for the past almost 3 years now. That much data usage is honestly nothing. It's not my fault that you people only use your phone once maybe twice a day and listen to maybe one song off of Pandora. I work 10 hour shifts 4 days a week and like to listen to music/have movies playing while I work. It's not my fault that it burns through a decent amount of data.
StormMcCloud said:
I've been using ~80GB a month for the past almost 3 years now. That much data usage is honestly nothing. It's not my fault that you people only use your phone once maybe twice a day and listen to maybe one song off of Pandora. I work 10 hour shifts 4 days a week and like to listen to music/have movies playing while I work. It's not my fault that it burns through a decent amount of data.
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I like this guy haha. 40GB is awesome. I would love to see ATT and Verizon offer this. They can't. That's why Sprint is the best and will be the best as long as they offer unlimited data.
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I get the whole "Hey man it says Unlimited,yeeeeHaw Bandwidth here I come"
But 40GB/month is abuse.
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If Sprint wasn't hanging on by a thread already, they would most definitely cap their data. There are more people who abuse the crap out of the network than you think. You can use any excuse you want, it's lame. When Sprint cleans their network up and they can roll with the big boys, we will be capped....and you can thank people who "Stream movies and pandora" all week while at work, but hey, it's not their fault
Kujila said:
I am curious about what is "a lot" of data to one person compared to another. I have heard 2 GB described as "a lot" of data before, and I have also head 150 GB described as "a lot."
So what is "a lot" to you? How much data in a month do you go through? (Or, since you've owned the phone)
How much do you think is "too much" data to be using in a month?
What do you do that uses a lot of Data? (Downloads, Online Videos/Netflix/Youtube, Tethering?)
What do you do the most on your Sprint phone you feel you couldn't on other providers?
How much data in a month would you go through on a previous Sprint WiMAX phone? (If applicable)
How much data in a month would you go through on a previous non-Sprint smartphone? (If applicable)
How much data in a month would you go through when using a different phone?
Discussion welcome. I think this will be interesting to see from different users' perspectives. Also if anyone has had their account terminated for excessive data on Sprint or any other provider, please pipe in
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How much do you think is "too much" data to be using in a month? 30+ if on 3g otherwise if your on wimax then go nuts, no limit from me. (but seriously if you get 100+ then damn, get some sunlight haha)
What do you do that uses a lot of Data? (Downloads, Online Videos/Netflix/Youtube, Tethering?) youtube probably the most don't do much else other than check xda every 5 minutes haha
What do you do the most on your Sprint phone you feel you couldn't on other providers? actually use the internet haha damn them other carriers and their throttling
How much data in a month would you go through on a previous Sprint WiMAX phone? (If applicable) on my og evo i would tether on that slut like it was my day job when anywhere on vacation so if out of town 20gb give or take but thats if im there a whole month. otherwise the same as this phone, maybe 2 just xda, general browsing, and some youtube.
How much data in a month would you go through on a previous non-Sprint smartphone? (If applicable) been with sprint forever
How much data in a month would you go through when using a different phone? like i said above with my og maybe 2gb or 20gb if out of town for forever and a half haha
15gb so far
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Rippley05 said:
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If Sprint wasn't hanging on by a thread already, they would most definitely cap their data. There are more people who abuse the crap out of the network than you think. You can use any excuse you want, it's lame. When Sprint cleans their network up and they can roll with the big boys, we will be capped....and you can thank people who "Stream movies and pandora" all week while at work, but hey, it's not their fault
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I don't see why a guy can't stream music at work all day if he wants to. That's like saying you can't use your unlimited texts, you should only send like 100 a month or it is abuse. That's silly. You pay for unlimited, you do what you want.
PS I use less than a gig a month.
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This is my usage since the new cycle started. I use SIP for most calls and ride on WiFi whenever possible.
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PsiPhiDan said:
I don't see why a guy can't stream music at work all day if he wants to. That's like saying you can't use your unlimited texts, you should only send like 100 a month or it is abuse. That's silly. You pay for unlimited, you do what you want.
PS I use less than a gig a month.
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We pay for unlimited but we still have to operate within reason. Sprint may be pushing their unlimited data now, but they may not in the future, and users who abuse the unlimited data plan aren't going to help them make a decision.
PsiPhiDan said:
I don't see why a guy can't stream music at work all day if he wants to. That's like saying you can't use your unlimited texts, you should only send like 100 a month or it is abuse. That's silly. You pay for unlimited, you do what you want.
PS I use less than a gig a month.
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I get that, but texts aren't back loading and taxing the bejesus out of the network either. I mean, 80 gigs in a month when the other carriers are offering like 5gb a month plans? How long do you honestly think sprint will be unlimited with that mess?
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Rippley05 said:
I get that, but texts aren't back loading and taxing the bejesus out of the network either. I mean, 80 gigs in a month when the other carriers are offering like 5gb a month plans? How long do you honestly think sprint will be unlimited with that mess?
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That's like saying I should use as little internet as possible at home as well. No, I'm sorry but I'm giving Sprint $130 a month (Phone and tablet) I should be allowed to use as much 4G data as I want. Limit the 3G use because that is what 99% of people use, sure. But for the amount of money they rake in every month we should be able to use all the 4G we want. End of story.
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That's like saying I should use as little internet as possible at home as well. No, I'm sorry but I'm giving Sprint $130 a month (Phone and tablet) I should be allowed to use as much 4G data as I want. Limit the 3G use because that is what 99% of people use, sure. But for the amount of money they rake in every month we should be able to use all the 4G we want. End of story.
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Lol
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I will try and make this short and too the point but its important to understand the details. I used to have the Motorola DROID X with the nationwide talk and text 450 mins with unlimited data. My 2 year contract was over and I was eligible for an upgrade so for christmas my parents wanted to get me a new phone. I told them I wanted this note 2 that I now currently have. The tried to purchase the phone at the upgraded price under my account from verizon but because I had to sign a new contract the couldnt do it with out me present. We then went to the Verizon store and purchased the phone at the contract price and I had to sign changing my plan to the 2gb data share everything plan. It is now the 16th of January and I have received numerous txt messages saying I may incure charges for data usage so today I called up verizon and told them I wanted to go back to my old plan with unlimited data because of these messages they were sending me. They said it was past the 15 day period and that I cant return the phone I then told the man on the phone that I didnt want to return the phone I wanted to keep the phone and to tell me how much money I would have to give them so I could keep the phone and go back to my old plan. The gentleman said he didnt know. I said I would pay the difference of the full retail price to the contract price so I could go back to the old plan. After some back and forth and some hold time he then told me he would have to fill out a form so that upstairs can review it and accept or deny my request. So then I asked to his supervisor because I did not like his solution he put me back on hold and then came back and said ok my supervisor said to go ahead and change the plan back to your old 450 nationwide talk and unlimited txt and data so I said great how much do I owe you to keep my phone now and the gentleman said nothing I was surprised so I asked him again... I dont have to pay full retail price to keep my phone and go back to my old plan???? He then said again no my supervisor said to just go ahead and change the plan over with no additional fees. So i said great he put me on hold changed my plan back over then asked if there was anything else he could help me with today. I then assured him he was great and got off the phone egger to see if what he was telling me was true i went online checked my account and to my surprise immediately my account was back to my 450 nationwide talk with unlimited txt and data. So after about an hour and a half on the phone with verizon I now have the samsung galaxy note 2 at contract price with 450 nationwide talk with unlimited txt and data. I couldnt be happier......... thoughts people...... has anyone experienced something similar?
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You are a rarity. Once you change they don't want to give unlimited back. The paper work is simple since if you go from a 4g to a 3g phone you will lose unlimited every time and that is how they get it back.
Next time you will have to pay full price if they still allow us to have it by then.
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DownRiver_Droid said:
You are a rarity. Once you change they don't want to give unlimited back. The paper work is simple since if you go from a 4g to a 3g phone you will lose unlimited every time and that is how they get it back.
Next time you will have to pay full price if they still allow us to have it by then.
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Yea I was surprised. I went from 3g to 4g and still have 4g now after going back to unlimited data so yeah I was extremely happy to say the least I thought for sure I was gunna have to pay full price for the phone. I couldnt see why they wouldnt allow me to go back to my original plan if I paid full price for the phone. I mean I had that option before buying the phone at contact price. The verizon deff did one better for me this time... ANOTHER TWO YEARS UNLIMITED DATA!!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!
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I'm very skeptical this happened at all.
Those who chose to stay with unlimited, doesn't Verizon throttle your speeds after you go over 3gb these days?
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endo689 said:
Those who chose to stay with unlimited, doesn't Verizon throttle your speeds after you go over 3gb these days?
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Think only on 3G from what I heard
endo689 said:
Those who chose to stay with unlimited, doesn't Verizon throttle your speeds after you go over 3gb these days?
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No.
Op you got hella lucky. You made out like a bandit.
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Same thing happened with me. I lost my unlimited when t mobile ported my number over 15 days earlier than promised. (I was trying the service out in my area... Sucked)
It took 20 calls to winback and customer service to have a form request filled out and reviewed from another dept.
After about 5 business days they finally restored my unlimited data... Thank god bc I'd never survive on 2gb.
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Those who chose to stay with unlimited, doesn't Verizon throttle your speeds after you go over 3gb these days?
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Only if you have a 3G only phone, and only if you're in a "high-demand" area.
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Those who chose to stay with unlimited, doesn't Verizon throttle your speeds after you go over 3gb these days?
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No and when they do throttle, it is 3G only.
Edit:
I was late to this party.
I have been trying to do the same thing since Dec 21st.Refund the 299.99 and bill me full price.They keep telling that I can't go back since my old plan since it does not exist anymore.I have talked to 5 or 6 people so far and get the same story.I sent a email to the Vp of US customer service hoping to hear back from his office.
I sent a link to this thread to Verizon on their Facebook page and Via email to show that it can be done and that they are just giving me the run around.
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I'm very skeptical this happened at all.
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It most certainly did and yes I was extremely surprised idk if my loyalty to the company has anything to do with it as I am a customer for aprox 13 years now. However I was told I could purchase the phone at retail price and keep my plan in the beginning so I couldnt see how they wouldnt allow me to do that even right after I renewed my contract they still got a contract renewal out of me.... I dont know what to tell you I just posted this to see if anyone else was as lucky as I believe it if u want dont if u don't want to it makes no difference to me... all I know is I didnt pay full retail price for my phone and I still have unlimited data
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Way lucky.... I gave up my unlimited data and went with the 4gb plan. I am on wifi most of the time and typically used anout 1.25gb of data per month so it wasn't a huge loss but would have been nice to keep.
jonathon1289 said:
Way lucky.... I gave up my unlimited data and went with the 4gb plan. I am on wifi most of the time and typically used anout 1.25gb of data per month so it wasn't a huge loss but would have been nice to keep.
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Yea I use right around 2gb but Im not near wifi most the time ( never home ) its fine for now but there are times where I may hit 3gbs and who knows how much data phones will be using in years to come there should be no reason to have a phone bill over $100 a month
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I had reverted back to unlimited as well. But they charged the difference for the remainder of the full price of the phone to my Verizon account. My bill ended up being like 650. That was the remainder of the cost of the phone unsubsidized and my monthly bill combined. I was aware that they would do this.
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I paid $300 as well, with no phone calls
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DownRiver_Droid said:
The paper work is simple since if you go from a 4g to a 3g phone you will lose unlimited every time and that is how they get it back.
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That's not true. I've swapped between 4G and 3G multiple times and never lost unlimited. Been doing it since the Thunderbolt days and done it just recently without issues.
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joshw0000 said:
That's not true. I've swapped between 4G and 3G multiple times and never lost unlimited. Been doing it since the Thunderbolt days and done it just recently without issues.
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This. Done it many times with Iphone's back to Android's and vice versa. Data is data. You're not changing the plan.
no go
tried this today... got my old plan back but not the unlimited data oh well at least my monthly bill went down
I'm suprised they did this. You chose to re-new your contract and give up unlimited data. No one forced you to do this. You must have gotten a manager on a good day.