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What do you think about this review? GSII won in all of the tests
http://pocketnow.com/android/htc-evo-3d-vs-samsung-galaxy-s-2-video
Personal preference is what it comes down to for every phone and person in the world. There is no such thing as the best phone, just the best phone for each person.
That said, who cares about this review? I like my EVO3D, period. Might another phone be slightly better in some areas, sure. Does it matter, no.
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It won by like one milla second in real world you will not know the difference
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I'll admit that the processor in the sgs2 is better in benchmarks but man he sounded really bias.
What I love about all these Galaxy S II comparisons is the fact that the phone IS NOT YET AVAILABLE IN THE US!!! Carrier variants are known to have differences (HW & SW wise, especially in the US) so the small edge the test unit may have on Evo 3D can easily disappear once the REAL choice is available... just my $0.02
l33tlinuxh4x0r said:
I'll admit that the processor in the sgs2 is better in benchmarks but man he sounded really bias.
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Is this due to synchronous vs asynchronous dual cores?
Does the "comparison" mention that the Samsungs build quality is the lowest of it's kind?
That the screens have these "weak spots" where it you press it too much they'll go black/dimmer?
They the charger port goes bad VERY quick and need to be replaced probably within the first 6 months.
That the speaker phone ALWAYS sounds like there's plastic film stuck in it?
I've had many Samsung phones, the only one I liked was the VERY first one I ever had back in 2002.
I'm no HTC nuthugger(because fk HTC for not releasing the unlocked bootloader) but HTC builds better phones. Simple.
Will have to revisit the test once the phone is actually available on the Sprint network, with the Sprint bloatware loaded on the Sammy. The GS2 is obviously a good phone, but this test isn't apples to apples.
Sammy sure knows how to make a gorgeous screen though
that superamoled + blows the superlcd on the evo3d away
the person who mentioned carriers will nerf **** too is correct
T-Mobile's Sensation has 7 something mb of ram, the evo's same hardware/phone almost but has 1 gb
Carriers lower the amount of ram to save money all the time, among other things, could result in a worse phone
I don't understand why Samsung insists on not making a good qHD screen tho with it....
Yes, the difference in benchmark scores is due to the differences between how the processors run. (synchronous vs. asynchronous)
on every day use, you cant see a difference between a really good single core vs dual core. Yes when you bench it, you see a difference. I mean we use our phones to use them everyday and bench them every day.
I really doubt you would see the difference between sgs2 and evo3d processor on everyday use.
This is like having a dual chip graphics card and running it on a 17inch monitor and not even use all the power. That is what android is right now, it is just not that demanding. I still highly doubt on every day use you will be able to see a difference between snapdragon dual core or samsung's new processor even with ICS.
I always though the benchmarks where due to the way the cores are set up/different. But I clocked my evo 3d to 1.8Ghz and ran quadrant on the performance governor. The highest I got was 2985. Now if I am correct, both cores should be maxed out due to the governor set by setcpu. If this is the case, the gs2 still beats the evo3d easily, even with the evo3d clocked to 1.8ghz.
I don't feel like this can be correct, but maybe it is? Maybe the exynos are that much better?
Or could it really be that sense 3.0 is a hog? I mean, with the hero, once it is on asop, you see a near 100% increase in scores.
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Is this due to synchronous vs asynchronous dual cores?
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Doubtful since benchmarks that utilize one or both cores still favor the sgs2
hydrogenman said:
Sammy sure knows how to make a gorgeous screen though
that superamoled + blows the superlcd on the evo3d away
the person who mentioned carriers will nerf **** too is correct
T-Mobile's Sensation has 7 something mb of ram, the evo's same hardware/phone almost but has 1 gb
Carriers lower the amount of ram to save money all the time, among other things, could result in a worse phone
I don't understand why Samsung insists on not making a good qHD screen tho with it....
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depends on the person. I personally think that super amoled screens are over saturated, I looked at the droid charge at verizon store and I really didn't like how the colors were on the icons. Yes its a beautiful screen but I myself prefer slcd better, just because it seems like the colors are more naturals on it.
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I always though the benchmarks where due to the way the cores are set up/different. But I clocked my evo 3d to 1.8Ghz and ran quadrant on the performance governor. The highest I got was 2985. Now if I am correct, both cores should be maxed out due to the governor set by setcpu. If this is the case, the gs2 still beats the evo3d easily, even with the evo3d clocked to 1.8ghz.
I don't feel like this can be correct, but maybe it is? Maybe the exynos are that much better?
Or could it really be that sense 3.0 is a hog? I mean, with the hero, once it is on asop, you see a near 100% increase in scores.
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sense probably has something to do with it. It is a resource hog, although it runs smooth, it does eat up a lot of resources.
BlueGoldAce said:
I always though the benchmarks where due to the way the cores are set up/different. But I clocked my evo 3d to 1.8Ghz and ran quadrant on the performance governor. The highest I got was 2985. Now if I am correct, both cores should be maxed out due to the governor set by setcpu. If this is the case, the gs2 still beats the evo3d easily, even with the evo3d clocked to 1.8ghz.
I don't feel like this can be correct, but maybe it is? Maybe the exynos are that much better?
Or could it really be that sense 3.0 is a hog? I mean, with the hero, once it is on asop, you see a near 100% increase in scores.
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I had the SGS2 for 3 weeks and the benchmarks do NOT reflect real world performance. The SGS2 did download web pages faster...by like maybe 3-4 seconds.
The build btw, feels way better than the current ones out...stronger plastic, matted back.
Even the gorilla glass website says our device does not have Gorilla Glass on it.
Love the review.
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on every day use, you cant see a difference between a really good single core vs dual core.
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let me stop you there, and just say you're full of it
This phone has a dual core 1.2 ghz, just came from the Infuse on AT&T with a 1.2 ghz single core. it's fine most of the time, but has annoying lags when it's doing things (installing apps comes to mind, among some others)
The evo's really yet to ever stutter or lag like the Infuse did.
rockky said:
I had the SGS2 for 3 weeks and the benchmarks do NOT reflect real world performance. The SGS2 did download web pages faster...by like maybe 3-4 seconds.
The build btw, feels way better than the current ones out...stronger plastic, matted back.
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Do you have the evo3d now? How would you compare/rate both phones?
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Do you have the evo3d now? How would you compare/rate both phones?
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It really is preference. I am looking for camera quality and SGS2 is better there so I might be moving there. The speaker quality is really good on S2 also.
But some like the heavier/build quality of HTC better. Many don't like the super amoled Samsung screens. If you love Sense its Htc. (I use launcherPro). The dev community will be stronger undoubtedly for Evo...(although SG2 was rooted immediately.)
But...it is megalight, powerful and yep, sexy.
All that said...might not see it released for a while...some release issues were reported yesterday. Google around.
I got no idea, (and don't really care) but prepare for a new twist on the question, and for fanbois everywhere to get their minds BLOWN on this phone:
http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=3064&c=samsung_shv-e120s_galaxy_s_ii_hd_lte_samsung_celox
The Samsung Galaxy 2 HD... WITH has the SAME Snapdragon CPU as our Evo.
I guess that kinda nullifies most of the arguments about the Exynos CPU being sooo awesome, lol!
On a more serious note, I'm really curious about the performance of this one. If TouchWiz gets the same kind of performance as Sense does or not, since most other things in this phone and the Evo or the Sensation XE will be equal...
Interesting...
ohmy......
zadias said:
Interesting...
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Yeah, isn't it? Especially since HTC also have some HD handsets on the way ALSO with the same Snapdragon SOC, so you can make even more of a direct comparison.
People have said for years that Sense slows down HTC phones, something I don't really buy (Might make a little difference, but they had years to finetune it, so I doubt it makes a big difference).
But for the first time we'll be able to see if Sense really makes a difference in performance as opposed to Touchwiz or plain Android, and how big a difference drivers make.
And by comparing Samsungs ROM with HTCs or SEs ROMs, developers will learn a little more and might come up with some new tweaks.
So interesting indeed!
I really don't see why people are attacking the OP. He isn't trolling.
Anyway, something interesting I read was that the T-mobile Galaxy S II will be using the MSM8260 @ 1.5 Ghz. Engadget said so far from what they've seen, they couldn't see any hint of it being slower than the Exynos version of the GSII.
Here is the Xiaomi phone, which also has the 1.5 Ghz dualcore snapdragon MSM8620. They benchmarked it against the GSII and it kept us quite well.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/27/xiaomi-phone-review/
Based on all of this information, its clear that other phones with very similar hardware to ours are performing noticeably better which indicates to me that our software is the culprit.
Just look how similar this phones hardware is to ours:
"Being one of the few devices sporting a 1.5GHz dual-core Qualcomm MSM8260 SoC, we'd be silly to not do any benchmarking with the Xiaomi Phone. Accompanied by an Adreno 220 graphics processor, 1GB RAM and 4GB ROM, a slick performance is a given -- after all, Xiaomi did start off as a third-party ROM developer, so system optimization should be a piece of cake for it. From the scores we obtained, we'd say the Xiaomi Phone is on par with the Galaxy S II despite the higher clock speed: on Quadrant the former got 3,040, which is only a bit behind the Galaxy S II's 3,396. However, the graphical performance showed mixed outcomes:"
This is good news IMO, since we should experience quite a performance boost once all the problems with AOSP/CM7 have been ironed out and we get more optimized kernels.
The EVO 3D is capable of more than what HTC's stock software allows it to do, that much is clear.
damn my mind.. its like.. bloownnnnn
The SGS2HD might have the same chip, but the Sprint SGS2 curb-stomps the 3D, right?
Alright folks, back on topic please.
One warning, that is all.
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Nonetheless. His post in this thread are unnecessary. If a person is just being a **** and not contributing then they shouldn't bother posting. The negative, flaming, and bullying post are a major reason why this site is going to ****. If those unnecessary post are never made then this would be a MUCH better place.
To the OP. It will be interesting to see how the processor performs w/ Samsungs optimizations and and software. It will be the true test of Exynos v Snapdragon.
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I still think this phone has already showed us that the Snapdragon can run with the Exynos.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/27/xiaomi-phone-review/
Look at the benchmarks on that link.
Just like the Evo 3d, it has a dual core snapdragon (though at 1.5 Ghz), 1 GB Ram, 4GB ROM and the Adreno 220 GPU.
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The SGS2HD might have the same chip, but the Sprint SGS2 curb-stomps the 3D, right?
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Benchmark scores are certainly more impressive but for real world use I can't tell a difference in speed. However, the SGS2 is a little smoother. In all honesty, the NS4G is smoother than the E3D.
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Benchmark scores are certainly more impressive but for real world use I can't tell a difference in speed. However, the SGS2 is a little smoother. In all honesty, the NS4G is smoother than the E3D.
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heck, my brother's Epic 4G is smoother than my Evo 3D...
you guys all so gotta keep in mind that the evo 3d runs alot higher res.. which can affect speeds and out put score on the benchmark =)
lewis952 said:
you guys all so gotta keep in mind that the evo 3d runs alot higher res.. which can affect speeds and out put score on the benchmark =)
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it isn't a lot higher
Really? Another one of these posts? *sigh*
Just to note. The fact the Sammy might be using a snapdragon does not mean, at all, that its the better CPU. Do all manufacturers go with the best when building anything?
Absolutely not... So why do they go with some parts over others? Cheaper. If their contract ran out with Nvidia and they could go with Qualcomm for cheaper. Yeah, they would jump the boat for sure.
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it isn't a lot higher
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well i mean alittle higher
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you guys all so gotta keep in mind that the evo 3d runs alot higher res.. which can affect speeds and out put score on the benchmark =)
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While the NS4G is smoother than the E3D, the E3D is certainly a lot faster.
The question to ask is;
What has better 3d?
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While the NS4G is smoother than the E3D, the E3D is certainly a lot faster.
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what good is all that speed if it isn't translated to smoothness?
does anyone know the difference between the msm8260 and the msm8660?
whats the apq8260 (ap only apparently, i dont know what that means)?
i just bought a touchpad and i originally thought it had the same processor as the E3D
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what good is all that speed if it isn't translated to smoothness?
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The nexus S is just as relevant at this point as an iPhone 3G.
Been looking at the skyrocket not sure if I want to get it. I live in Phoenix we Verizon lte but don't know when we are getting it. I know that the gs2 is better then the
Skyrocket, processor wise. So can anyone help our give done insight
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if you dont have AT&T LTE in your area, dont get the skyrocket.
No, there are other things...
Our radio actually works - lots of reports are coming in that the Skyrocket is having tons of connectivity issues.
Our battery life is excellent - A number of ****rocket owners are reporting that battery life on LTE is horrible.
Our phone isn't a gigantic fatty.
Our device is faster - it's not the launcher - the Snapdragon is consistently slower in every workload anyone has tested, whether it is the "feel" of the user interface, or if it's a benchmark. As much as I hate benchmarks, when they are consistent with subjective user interface responsiveness experiences, it does say something.
I just copy/pasted from entropy512 thanks....
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I have been contemplating this same thing....
I am in the Chicago market (LTE) I am going to stay with the OG. Already ordered the car dock from Samsung.
I can stream Hulu+ just fine with the OG.
go to the store and compare two phones
do a speed test in the store as well
do a benchmark test as well.
It is too late for me to change to Skyrocket so I say OGGSII is better
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No, there are other things...
Our radio actually works - lots of reports are coming in that the Skyrocket is having tons of connectivity issues.
Our battery life is excellent - A number of ****rocket owners are reporting that battery life on LTE is horrible.
Our phone isn't a gigantic fatty.
Our device is faster - it's not the launcher - the Snapdragon is consistently slower in every workload anyone has tested, whether it is the "feel" of the user interface, or if it's a benchmark. As much as I hate benchmarks, when they are consistent with subjective user interface responsiveness experiences, it does say something.
I just copy/pasted from entropy512 thanks....
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Enough said /thread.
+1 I think the GS2 is better, just go to the development section and see the support already from the devs
This is the exact question facing me. I am in a Non-LTE area.
From the data I have seen, Both phones have advantages and disadvantages. The OGSII has better performance, FM. The Skyrocket has Better GPS, Network Speed (In Non LTE areas, APN related ??)
None of the reviews seem to address whether the Skyrocket battery is better or worse than the OGSII. Also another thing in question is how is the radio, voice signal , data signal in marginal signal areas.
Can any one elaborate if there is any existing info on these.. ?
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No, there are other things...
Our radio actually works - lots of reports are coming in that the Skyrocket is having tons of connectivity issues.
Our battery life is excellent - A number of ****rocket owners are reporting that battery life on LTE is horrible.
Our phone isn't a gigantic fatty.
Our device is faster - it's not the launcher - the Snapdragon is consistently slower in every workload anyone has tested, whether it is the "feel" of the user interface, or if it's a benchmark. As much as I hate benchmarks, when they are consistent with subjective user interface responsiveness experiences, it does say something.
I just copy/pasted from entropy512 thanks....
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I made the mistake of returning my I777 for the Skyrocket. It was a pain but I'm back with the original galaxy S2. I could deal with the other draw backs of the skyrocket, but it does have major connectivity issues in a non LTE area. The Speedtest app took me 16 minutes to download.
Real world testing and data comparisons show very little difference between the snapdragon S3 and the Samsung E* processor. Granted it runs at 1.5GHz (max of course) compared to the 1.2GHz (max), I still think it's worthwhile especially since I'm in an LTE area.
I'm going to go trade in my SGS2 tomorrow. YMMV, obviously.
Real world testing:
(note the HTC Sensation uses the same/similar Snapdragon processor)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqqQgoCiupM
My money is on the OGSGS2 (literally)
Thanks for all info guys really appreciate it. Im still well within my 30 days from target. I did get my
Gs2 for 99.00 so that's a big plus. lol
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You can't compare an HTC phone that doesn't even make use of TW 4.0... So what if it has the same processor? Does it utilize the same system ram, the same software interface, etc.? Not trying to be rude, just stating my opinion. If you're going to compare apples to apples, do it with the Samsung Galaxy Skyrocket, not an HTC phone.
The HTC phone looks bad in the video, I am trying to understand if the Skyrocket will behave the same, Without the Htc sense overlay, and with a faster clocked snapdragon 1.2Ghz->1.5Ghz processor compared to the Sensation.
igotdez said:
No, there are other things...
Our radio actually works - lots of reports are coming in that the Skyrocket is having tons of connectivity issues.
Our battery life is excellent - A number of ****rocket owners are reporting that battery life on LTE is horrible.
Our phone isn't a gigantic fatty.
Our device is faster - it's not the launcher - the Snapdragon is consistently slower in every workload anyone has tested, whether it is the "feel" of the user interface, or if it's a benchmark. As much as I hate benchmarks, when they are consistent with subjective user interface responsiveness experiences, it does say something.
I just copy/pasted from entropy512 thanks....
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My radio on my skyrocket has not droped 1 call ....my ogsg2 droped calls everyday.... Not to mention blazing fast internet in and out of my LTE area.
My battery last all day with moderate use ... So what more do you need ...
Phone does not feel fat or awkward to handle.
Id go with the skyrocket
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I say go with the Captivate.
Lmao
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Here's a poll
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1332266
david032766 said:
My radio on my skyrocket has not droped 1 call ....my ogsg2 droped calls everyday.... Not to mention blazing fast internet in and out of my LTE area.
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The radio problems with the Vivid and Skyrocket are in HSPA (3G) areas. They can drop to EDGE speed or lose data completely. If you're in an LTE area and don't travel it's not a problem. A co-worker with a Skyrocket just got back from a multi-state trip and got EDGE speeds in 3G areas. AT&T’s supposedly working on a fix. Here's a link to the discussion in the Vivid forum. That they're both experiencing similar radio issues isn't surprising considering they're both using similar Qualcomm chips.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1337062
Loved my gs2. Really did. I work with all the carriers so I always have envy of the larger screen on the sprint gs2. Zero complaints about the gs2.
My area should have lte in a couple months. I prefer the larger screen. I've have zero connectivity issues. My h+ is faster with my skyrocket somehow. Zero lag. Screen looks just as great.
It comes down to preference but do not let someone tell you the skyrocket is less of a quality choice or that it's slow and the screen is garbage. Benchmarks mean nothing. In real life I've noticed zero difference.
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I read the Vivid posts and it sounds like a network or APN problem, not a device issue. I went from an i9100 to the SR and it's faster on HSPA+ everywhere. I have noticed issues with the pta APN. I switch to phone it works fine.
This might be a bit of good news. Not so sure how much the 720p LCD of the EVO 4G LTE will affect some of these test but I'm hoping not too far off from what the S gets. Sorry if this has been posted. Leaving work and didnt have much time to search.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/05/htc-one-x-vs-one-s/
Another good news. ATT version with S4 benchmarked! So higher screen res doesnt seem to hinder performance. Great news indeed.
http://phandroid.com/2012/04/10/att...k-gauntlet-dual-core-processor-holds-its-own/
Anyone see an article saying the Evo 4g LTE or whatever the evo one is named may actually be better than the one series phones?
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have u not seen the benchmarks of the s4 pwning tegra 3 single thread and multi thread but then again benches dont really matter..tegra is usually good for gaming
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have u not seen the benchmarks of the s4 pwning tegra 3 single thread and multi thread but then again benches dont really matter..tegra is usually good for gaming
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So what about the heat? Which processor is the best? Overheat will effect gaming performance.
More comparison with video. I notice some very minor stuttering in the One S when he is swiping screens. Again I really hope this doesnt translate over to the Evo LTE. The T3 is really smooth on the other hand. I have a Transformer Prime and its very smooth as well.
http://www.intomobile.com/2012/04/05/htc-one-comparison/
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More benchmark comparison
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-one-x-vs-htc-one-s-benchmarking-war-03221385/
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aznmode said:
This might be a bit of good news. Not so sure how much the 720p LCD of the EVO 4G LTE will affect some of these test but I'm hoping not too far off from what the S gets. Sorry if this has been posted. Leaving work and didnt have much time to search.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/05/htc-one-x-vs-one-s/
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The Evo 4g LTE/HTC ONE XL are using MSM8960 which i think is better than the MSM8260A used in the ONE S. So they will handle the 720p resloution just fine.
I might be wrong though.
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have u not seen the benchmarks of the s4 pwning tegra 3 single thread and multi thread but then again benches dont really matter..tegra is usually good for gaming
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This man gets it!
GPU wise the Tegra3 will win the battle...most else is on the S4 side or at most a draw between the 2
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The Evo 4g LTE/HTC ONE XL are using MSM8960 which i think is better than the MSM8260A used in the ONE S. So they will handle the 720p resloution just fine.
I might be wrong though.
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Not exactly right here...
The MSM8260A and MSM8960 are the exact same top to bottom except in one area, and thats the Modem supported. The 8960 is more of a world more chip supporting LTE, GSM/EDGE/GPRS, EVDO TD-SCDMA, DC-HSPA+, among a few others...while the 8260A only supports UMTS(DC-HSPA+, TD-SCDMA)...
clearer break down of all their SoC's is here:
https://developer.qualcomm.com/sites/default/files/snapdragon-specs.pdf
Though comparing the performance of the OneS to the OneX is not really going to give us a solid idea of what to expect out of the EVO 4G LTE...Display differences b/w the two devices would effect performance some. The best idea will come from the OneXL.
wow...world band support...
too bad the EVO 4G LTE doesn't seem to use a sim card. otherwise i'd be ordering mine asaaaaaaap!
Sorry, but most benchmarks out there seem to be really weird.
Antutu reports what we would expect, namely almost twice as good results for the 4cores. That's integer and float. This result makes perfect sense.
Also, for tests that use only a single core, the two are head to head with an edge for the Qualcomm.
So how in the world should the Qualcomm keep up with the Tegra in other multicore benchmarks ?
Here is something to consider:
The benchmarks claiming the same multicore performance of the two only use two cores. Not all 4.
Why? Because at the time of programming them, 4 cores did not exist and the programs just did the easy thing. Making code multi-threaded is difficult by itself. But making code for an arbitrary number of cores is even more difficult.
Only antutu does it.
There is no other explanation.
Face it.
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hachiroku said:
wow...world band support...
too bad the EVO 4G LTE doesn't seem to use a sim card. otherwise i'd be ordering mine asaaaaaaap!
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dont read into that much. its only the "supported" bands for the chip. still requires antennae's for each band and all that.
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fuzzifikation said:
Sorry, but most benchmarks out there seem to be really weird.
Antutu reports what we would expect, namely almost twice as good results for the 4cores. That's integer and float. This result makes perfect sense.
Also, for tests that use only a single core, the two are head to head with an edge for the Qualcomm.
So how in the world should the Qualcomm keep up with the Tegra in other multicore benchmarks ?
Here is something to consider:
The benchmarks claiming the same multicore performance of the two only use two cores. Not all 4.
Why? Because at the time of programming them, 4 cores did not exist and the programs just did the easy thing. Making code multi-threaded is difficult by itself. But making code for an arbitrary number of cores is even more difficult.
Only antutu does it.
There is no other explanation.
Face it.
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28nm Cortex-A15 vs 45nm Cortex-A9...
part of what you say is true but dont discount the S4 stomping the Tegra3 in some areas. b/c its not about the # of cores, theres a bunch more to it than that...
I'm more worried about battery life and how it handles being in standby
FreEvo 2.3d
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dannyboyex said:
I'm more worried about battery life and how it handles being in standby
FreEvo 2.3d
Sony Brava Engine d-_-b
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Battery life is better than evo 3d IMO, both tegra and s4 have better battery life than s2 and s3...................................................
People... the S4 is fast; deal with it.
I really have no doubt that either phone will be fast. Definitely will be faster than the Evo 3d. In my case I'm more concern of how smooth its going to perform when it comes to scrolling. I think thats one area where android has not excelled yet and the tegra 3 IMO is the closest I've seen it, based on experience with my prime. Lots of talk went into how fast the Evo 3d processor was too before it came out and it was the reason I bought it and never bothered waiting for other devices. But the Evo 3d stock wasn't what I expected. A few months later the Samsung Epic touch came out and it was fast and smooth and handled multiple flash video on 1 page at a time without any problem. The other concern I have with Evo LTE is I will be most likely be using the device over hdmi. Not sure how well the S4 will perform. The demo Qualcomm had at CES was laggy (went to CES). My primes tegra 3 have proven to me that it can handle that very very well. It's super smooth and fast and has no degradation in performance and smoothness whatsoever over HDMI.
But I posted the OP to show that S4 is fast in hopes that the 720p screen will not hinder performance or smoothness as much. I'm really hoping so.
Ok now I'm convinced S4 will be on par with T3. See link below. The only thing we wont see are Tegra 3 optimized games.
http://phandroid.com/2012/04/10/att...k-gauntlet-dual-core-processor-holds-its-own/
From my understanding, the Tegra 3 is not LTE compatible. That seems to be the driving factor.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/29/2832546/nvidia-tegra-3-lte-problem-mwc-2012-report
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From my understanding, the Tegra 3 is not LTE compatible. That seems to be the driving factor.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/29/2832546/nvidia-tegra-3-lte-problem-mwc-2012-report
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Correct that's why ATT and sprint will get s4. I really wanted a t3 because my asus prime has it and its the fastest and smoothest tablet ive seen. But after seeing more videos of the s4 in action i think itll be just as great.
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Nice battery comparison. But I wonder how much the s4 screen came in to play. Roughly 1 hour and 22 minutes of test left the S with 84% battery and the One X with 69%.
url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPP-CSkMrf8[/url]
Nice battery comparison. But I wonder how much the s4 screen came in to play. Roughly 1 hour and 22 minutes of test left the S with 84% battery and the One X with 69%.
I am really having a tough time making a decision to which model to choose.. the north american version or the international version.. I live in Canada, the carrier that I am with (Fido) does not support LTE speeds yet. Thats one reason to go with the international version. I know it has a lot better dev support. Quad core seems nice but not a lot of apps are optimized for it if any. I believe it has better battery life than the north american version since it doesn't battery draining LTE. The only thing for me that stands out with the north american version is the 2GB of ram..
Which one do you guys think I should get?
You asked in international forum. So I guess I would recommend i9300
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I am really having a tough time making a decision to which model to choose.. the north american version or the international version.. I live in Canada, the carrier that I am with (Fido) does not support LTE speeds yet. Thats one reason to go with the international version. I know it has a lot better dev support. Quad core seems nice but not a lot of apps are optimized for it if any. I believe it has better battery life than the north american version since it doesn't battery draining LTE. The only thing for me that stands out with the north american version is the 2GB of ram..
Which one do you guys think I should get?
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I would think that since Fido does not have LTE network the north american version would run on hspa+ for you. AFAIK the S4 dual core version has better battery life if there is no LTE.
Go with either and you won't regret :good:
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You asked in international forum. So I guess I would recommend i9300
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Don't you find that 1GB is too little, I was using my friends and a lot is already being used. And I find that applications then to get closed after not using them for a few minutes.. Wouldnt that impact your decision on choosing which model?
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Don't you find that 1GB is too little, I was using my friends and a lot is already being used. And I find that applications then to get closed after not using them for a few minutes.. Wouldnt that impact your decision on choosing which model?
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It depends on how you use your phone. If you constantly required to do multitasking for more than 4 apps, then 2gb ram will be a better choice. Otherwise, 1gb is more than enough.
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Yeah at the same time I don't want to lose on the great dev support... Theres no clear cut decision to this LOL
Dude... just go for one with 2gb ram. There is apparently almost no app that needs all 4 cores of cpu. So dual core is fine.
Btw more ram has better affect on performance than more cores. Also, if there is not enough ram, what will you do with more cores? So just go for American version Although international version is sufficient for me, still i consider American version as better.
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Dude... just go for one with 2gb ram. There is apparently almost no app that needs all 4 cores of cpu. So dual core is fine.
Btw more ram has better affect on performance than more cores. Also, if there is not enough ram, what will you do with more cores? So just go for American version Although international version is sufficient for me, still i consider American version as better.
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But if I go with the american version, I would have to give up on the great dev support for the international version.. CM9 Stable version wasn't even released for the american version.
There is apparently almost no app that needs all 4 cores of cpu.
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There is also no app that needs 1GB of RAM. Running lots of apps needs lots of RAM and CPU power,
to the point where it's in terms of battery usage and performance far better to share them across multiple cores
so they don't starve each other to death and cause lags.
Btw more ram has better affect on performance than more cores
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That's an inaccurate statement. Without any specifications about what the OP wants to do with the phone, it's impossible to recommend RAM or CPU. Both have trade offs.
However software development seems to be a major point in the decision. From past experiences with carrier-specific devices, development for the international version will by far exceed the carrier-specific one.
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There is also no app that needs 1GB of RAM. Running lots of apps needs lots of RAM and CPU power,
to the point where it's in terms of battery usage and performance far better to share them across multiple cores
so they don't starve each other to death and cause lags.
That's an inaccurate statement. Without any specifications about what the OP wants to do with the phone, it's impossible to recommend RAM or CPU. Both have trade offs.
However software development seems to be a major point in the decision. From past experiences with carrier-specific devices, development for the international version will by far exceed the carrier-specific one.
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I know with my phones I do a lot of heavy multitasking switching frequently between apps. I can tell you I don't plan to play much games. I am opened to try new roms, etc+
I dont think 2gb ram is a big deal, I check my free ram all the time and i never got to use it all, not even close...even when multitasking hard (pause a game and the music, write email and make skype call then back to music and gaming) i have 200mb free at least.
The big thing is, int version will have JB and cm10 before usa version, most of the developers have the int version...
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I know with my phones I do a lot of heavy multitasking switching frequently between apps. I can tell you I don't plan to play much games. I am opened to try new roms, etc+
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I have owned both. I can tell you the american version is good but as always the international is better. Let me quantify. 4 cores vs 2 we know 9300 kills here. Audio quality isn't a question either 9300 kills. Design minor but 9300 has a much nicer back then the us branded ones again Minor. Dev support go look at the ATT and Tmo forums they are sad places so if you care about that and dev then 9300 wins by landslide. Updates 9300 WILL get updates first, historically this means 2 to 6 months before the rest it may be sooner this time but 9300 will always get official updates first which again feeds into the dev work as well. And the one winning point for the USA versions 2GB of RAM YEAH!! It doesn't do much as has been said before very few users will ever see a benefit from it where as you will benefit from all the above and not just a little
Battery life give me a break guys. It's minor your signal strength will have a far greater effect on the batter life than 9300 vs US variants.
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Chainfire and Cynogen both have international
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Chainfire and Cynogen both have international
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Pretty sure cyanogen has the at&t one.
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I have owned both. I can tell you the american version is good but as always the international is better. Let me quantify. 4 cores vs 2 we know 9300 kills here. Audio quality isn't a question either 9300 kills. Design minor but 9300 has a much nicer back then the us branded ones again Minor. Dev support go look at the ATT and Tmo forums they are sad places so if you care about that and dev then 9300 wins by landslide. Updates 9300 WILL get updates first, historically this means 2 to 6 months before the rest it may be sooner this time but 9300 will always get official updates first which again feeds into the dev work as well. And the one winning point for the USA versions 2GB of RAM YEAH!! It doesn't do much as has been said before very few users will ever see a benefit from it where as you will benefit from all the above and not just a little
Battery life give me a break guys. It's minor your signal strength will have a far greater effect on the batter life than 9300 vs US variants.
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Chainfire and Cynogen both have international
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But barely any apps are optimized for quad core... probably in the future. I could honestly say the 2GB of ram will benefit me because while I was using it at the store, I was using a lot of apps, and liked how it didn't close any one of them and kept it in memory instead of the international one closing them... still don't know which to choose..
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But barely any apps are optimized for quad core... probably in the future. I could honestly say the 2GB of ram will benefit me because while I was using it at the store, I was using a lot of apps, and liked how it didn't close any one of them and kept it in memory instead of the international one closing them... still don't know which to choose..
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Well looks like you have an answer then. I think you have convinced yourself no matter what version you get you will be missing out which is kinda true. The other opinion would be it doesn't matter much what version you end up with because they are both killer phone capable of doing anything you want.
I don't think any points have been missed we have outlined all the differences and pro's/con's so now it's a matter of biting the bullet for you
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Well looks like you have an answer then. I think you have convinced yourself no matter what version you get you will be missing out which is kinda true. The other opinion would be it doesn't matter much what version you end up with because they are both killer phone capable of doing anything you want.
I don't think any points have been missed we have outlined all the differences and pro's/con's so now it's a matter of biting the bullet for you
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Mine you the 2GB of ram is the only thing that stands out for me for the NA version, I have a few more things that I like with the international version as well. Yes even though barely any apps are optimized for it now, in the future there will be apps optimized for it, making it a future proof phone, it doesn't have any carrier bloatware, its factory unlocked, better development support (CM9 Stable didn't even come out for the US version)
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Mine you the 2GB of ram is the only thing that stands out for me for the NA version, I have a few more things that I like with the international version as well. Yes even though barely any apps are optimized for it now, in the future there will be apps optimized for it, making it a future proof phone, it doesn't have any carrier bloatware, its factory unlocked, better development support (CM9 Stable didn't even come out for the US version)
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Seriously, what the hell are you like?!
One person says get the international you say "well the US one has x"
Someone else says get the US one and you say "well the international one has y"
You even said that the intl one has a quadcore but nothing is optimised for it yet and the 2gb of ram is better and then in the next comment you say that in the future they will be optimised for it and that's better.
Who are you trying to convince here?
Nobody can make your decision for you, stop flip flopping and just pick one of the damn phones.
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But barely any apps are optimized for quad core... probably in the future
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Probably not. Most apps rely on serialized processes in their sourcecode, while multiple cores requires parallel workload.
However, phones are long since past the point where a single task is running on the device at a given time.
Let's say you're surfing the web, with a dedicated Javascript and rendering thread that would be 2 cores. The background music (e.g. DRM-encrypted streaming) runs on the third core while other background processes of the system run on the 4.
This allows a very quick rendering of your webpages without stuttering due to CPU-time revokation, while keeping your music playing and ensuring a general smoothness of the OS.
Again, as I said: it's exactly as with the RAM. No single process will "eat" all the RAM, it's always a combination of several processes.