from the press release- new 7" and a 9"- the OS is upgraded to a custom android 4.0 version....hopefully the original nook tablets will get this upgrade so we can figure out the random reboot etc problems
7" 199for 8gig 229 for 16gig- 243ppi 1440x900 reso
9" 269 for 16gig and 299 for 32gig 253ppi @1920x1280 reso
http://www.barnesandnobleinc.com/press_releases/9_26_12_nook_hd_us.html
09/26/2012
Barnes & Noble Launches NOOK® HD and NOOK HD+, Lightest and Highest-Resolution 7-Inch HD Tablet and World’s Lightest Full HD Tablet
Incredible Reading and Entertainment Like Never Seen Before on 7- and 9-Inch Tablets
Designed for Both Personal Use and the Whole Family to Share – Like Having Multiple Devices in One
NOOK HD Offers World’s Highest Resolution Display Ever on a 7-Inch Media Tablet Starting at Only $199
NOOK HD+ is Lightest, Lowest-Priced Full HD Tablet Ever Starting at Only $269
Unbeatable Values for Top Quality Tablets and No Distracting Ads Coming to the US and UK This Fall; Pre-Order Starting Today at NOOK.com and Barnes & Noble Stores
New York, New York – September 26, 2012 – Barnes & Noble, Inc. (NYSE: BKS), the leading retailer of content, digital media and educational products, today introduced NOOK HD and NOOK HD+, the lightest HD and full HD tablets. The super-fast and lightweight 7-inch NOOK HD and 9-inch NOOK HD+ feature must-see displays for superior reading and entertainment and an instantly personalized tablet experience for each family member. In fact, NOOK HD boasts the world’s highest-resolution ever on a 7-inch tablet and NOOK HD+ rivals the industry-leading tablet’s display. Starting at the low prices of $199 for NOOK HD and $269 for NOOK HD+, nearly half the cost of the leading large-format tablet, both products deliver an amazing value for customers, with no annoying ads. With more than three million books, a large selection of magazines and apps, and now with newly launched NOOK Video™ and NOOK Catalog™ content, NOOK HD and NOOK HD+ offer virtually endless reading and entertainment at customers’ fingertips. Both are available for pre-order at www.nook.com and Barnes & Noble stores for customers to enjoy beginning in early November.
The fantastic new 7-inch NOOK HD and 9-inch NOOK HD+ are packed with favorite tablet features that the whole family will love:
run a customized android 4.0
Wow, nice.
You be honest, after Microsoft pumped all that money into the nook platform at the beginning of the year, I seriously expected them to be running Win 8. Glad to see them sticking with Android.
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The "real" technical spec please. . Or do we have to wait ? . ( i went looking all over their website . . . )
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I wonder if they've gotten over being "terminally stupid" ?
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I read here it has bluetooth. http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/26/nook-hd-whats-changed/ . . I cannot double validate this blip !
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Here they talk about the cpu. . . http://www.anandtech.com/show/4413/...pecs-powervr-sgx544-18-ghz-dual-core-cortexa9
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The "real" technical spec please. . Or do we have to wait ? . ( i went looking all over their website . . . )
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I wonder if they've gotten over being "terminally stupid" ?
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I read here it has bluetooth. http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/26/nook-hd-whats-changed/
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Hopefully this means the Tablet will get bumped to ICS shortly after they ship these, though they may not to encourage sales of the new tablets (I know I won't buy a new one if the old one gets ICS).
Not interested considering how locked down they made the nook tablet. Still very happy with my 16gb, thanks to the awesome devs here
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Not interested considering how locked down they made the nook tablet. Still very happy with my 16gb, thanks to the awesome devs here
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That was my feeling. Sideloading? Probably not.
Unless of course you root the thing.
It would be nice for BN to make a tablet that's useful without rooting.
Love my Nook Simple touch for reading.
Well Let me tell you something based on this:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4413/...pecs-powervr-sgx544-18-ghz-dual-core-cortexa9
1.Two ARM Cortex A9 MPCores @ 1.8GHz per core Nice but they compare it 1GHZ not 1.2GHZ that we can have
2.Two ARM Cortex-M3 cores We have those also!
3.SGX544 GFX Core running at 384 MHz (If you Read: TI OMAP 4xxx SoC GPU Comparison it states PowerVR SGX540 also is capable to go to 384 MHz) I want to be clear SGX544 is a better GPU but 540 can play anything you throw at it currently speaking.
4.Hardware composition engine with dedicated 2D graphics core. We have those also!
5.Display subsystem. what to do it when you dont have hdmi out.
6.Dual-channel, 466 MHz LPDDR2 memory. We have Dual-channel, 400 MHz LPDDR2 memory and i bet if we give it some more volts we can reach those 66mhz or maybe 33mhz in worse case.
7.Complete pin-to-pin hardware and software compatibility. Anyone with a hot air station and a faulty NT HD?
http://www.techhive.com/article/2010597/barnes-and-noble-nook-hd-tablet-elevates-the-game.html
Will give you more info about the device. Such as
Barnes & Noble joins the high-definition tablet party and does so in style with the introduction of a pair of new tablets, the 7-inch Nook HD and the 9-inch Nook HD+. With an emphasis on display quality, usability, and lighter weight—at surprisingly competitive prices—Barnes & Noble's 2012 tablets help the company maintain, and expand on, its value tablet history. Both tablets are due out at the end of October, with prices starting at $199 for the 8GB Nook HD, and going to $269 for the Nook HD+.
I spent some quality time with both tablets, and came away with a first-hand perspective on how the two compare to one another and to their increasingly crowded competitive set. It's important to note up front that, like Amazon, Barnes & Noble uses a custom Android build. This means that you're locked into loading apps from the Barnes & Noble app store, rather than from Google Play. And it means that the tablet lacks both Google certification and the Google services that go along with certification (such as the Gmail app, Google Maps, and apps like YouTube, Google Books, or Google Video). Furthermore, Barnes & Noble chose to skip integrated GPS or cameras; Amazon, at least, offers a front-facing camera on the Kindle Fire HD (but not a rear camera).
None of that may matter in the end, if all you want to do is read, browse the Web, do e-mail, or watch videos. In fact, this is why Barnes & Noble made the choices it did as to what to include and what to exclude. An internal survey of tablet owners by Barnes & Noble showed that 75 percent used the tablet for reading, with the next most popular activities being Web browsing, social networking, email, and video, in that order.
The Nook HD—$199 with 8GB, $249 with 16GB—picks up on the foundation set by the current Nook Tablet, which will stay in the market at $179 for an 8GB model. Clearly, Nook HD targets Amazon's Kindle Fire HD and Google's Nexus 7 tablet, as well as any fabled and future Apple 7-inch class tablet to come. Meanwhile, the Nook HD+, with its larger display, aims at standard Android tablets, at Amazon's Kindle Fire HD 8.9, and at Apple's iPad. The HD+ is available in two versions: 16GB for $269, and 32GB for $349.
Massive resolution
The Nook HD has a stunning resolution for its size: 1440 by 900 pixels, which works out to 243 pixels per inch. If this sounds like an unusual resolution, that's because it is: Barnes & Noble went to display makers and dictated the spec it wanted, rather than simply accepting what was on offer.
The result of this innovation looks amazing: Text was smooth on books as well as the general navigation screens, and images looked terrific, with impressive color balance and detail.
As with its predecessor, contrast appeared strong, and glare was minimal since Barnes & Noble uses optical bonding on its displays, as it has since the introduction of the Nook Color nearly two years ago.
The Nook HD+ doesn't push the resolution bar in the same way, though. The 9-inch display carries a 1920-by-1280-pixel resolution, which works out to 256 ppi—practically the same as on the 8.9-inch Kindle Fire HD 8.9, and just shy of the Apple iPad's 264 ppi. Barnes & Noble says it chose the 9-inch display for its 3:2 aspect ratio, which the company describes as “perfect” for use with magazines and books.
Inside the tablets
Both tablets have Wi-Fi, and both add Bluetooth this time around, a notable omission from the original Nook Tablet. Both will also have an HDMI dongle available to connect to the tablet's new 30-pin dock connector; while I prefer integrated HDMI instead of an extra-cost dongle, at least the dongle has a full-size HDMI port, and not a Mini- or Micro-HDMI port that could require an extra cable.
Inside, the tablets each have Texas Instruments' dual-core OMAP 4470 processor. The Nook HD's processor runs at 1.3GHz; the CPU in the Nook HD+ runs at 1.5GHz.
The tablets have a microSD card slot that supports up to 64GB of storage; and unlike the previous model, all the space on the memory card can indeed be used to store your own content. Both tablets include the proprietary charger in the box. Additional chargers cost $20.
Where Nook HD fits
The new Nook HD and Nook HD+ are set to pose a challenge not only to their obvious Amazon Kindle Fire HD competition, but to all tablets. These well-designed models feature innovative design, and have some interesting interoperability plays through Barnes & Noble's new Video Store offering. Each of these tablets is backed by attractive pricing, a strong feature set, and a high-performance display. Traits that make them well-positioned to attract shoppers' attention this holiday season. The $269 Nook HD+ is the best value, and is a particularly intriguing proposition for consumers who are willing to stray from the Apple iPad juggernaut.
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i might get the 16gig hd tablet.
IF they kept the same bootchain that the NT currently have, rooting should be a snap.
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i might get the 16gig hd tablet.
IF they kept the same bootchain that the NT currently have, rooting should be a snap.
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huh ? ? ?
In my humble opinion, ( what they did in the first NT ) a "locked and signed boot loader" is the MOST nastiest thing a company can do. . I believe it shows that they think that the dev community as the enemy. . So that makes mr. william lynch a first class ass in my book. . . So the one hundred ninety nine dollar question is, will the NT HD have the same nastiness ? ? ? . . My guess is yes... probably worse.
While I absolutely agree that locking the bootloader on the open platform is a nasty thing to do, especially when you didn't develop the platform yourself. From looking at the Nook UI, I think they at least spend a lot of time polish that. Maybe I wouldn't mind using it even if the BL is locked as long as gaining root and sideloading and install GAPPS can be done painlessly and assuming Nook will continue devloping it platform and roll out update in a timely manner.
Won't waste my time on another nook although glad they keeping micro sd slots
I got cm9 no issues, and hopefully we can cm10 soon also. Ilk stick witg my 16gb tablet. If I need a new one ill get a nexus (might do the same for phone this year) or a transformer. You can get a really good tablet around the same price these days.
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You can get the older Tegra 2 powered ASUS Transformer TF101 for about $230-$250 the newer models all cost $400+ tho without the doc but factor in the dock at about $99 and the price goes up quite a bit out of the range of these things.
While the specs sound good but not sure it's worth it. I think the original NT 16g is just as good. I'm running CM10 with few SOD. Battery drain is still bad but I just plug it in at night.
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While the specs sound good but not sure it's worth it. I think the original NT 16g is just as good. I'm running CM10 with few SOD. Battery drain is still bad but I just plug it in at night.
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Agreed. . If you upgrade, you go from a 'good' screen to a 'very good' screen and then you get bluetooth. . And then that's it ! ! !
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I think they should have tossed in a front facing camera ( for skype ) and a functional ( real OTG stuff ) usb . . .
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I cringe at what ( damn crap ) they're gonna put into the boot loader.
Yeah the new ones are running Ompa 4470s while the current crop run 4430s so not a large boost in cpu but they are adding a larger screen an OS upgrade and bluetooth for about the same price as the current nook tablets. So they are basically refreshes to the current hardware. I may pick up the kindle now that they have front facing cameras becuase that would be helpful to stay in touch with people. But at the moment I need a new PC ontop of which we will be moving in the next couple of months so money is tied up in that plus I may switch from boost mobile to T-Mobiles new unlimted 4g plan for $30. so that going to need a different phone then what I have so money is just really tight right now to upgrade the tablet. My current tablet works perfectly fine with me I just wish the screen was bigger at around 8.9 inches like the new Nook Tablets HD+ and Kindle Fire HD+s are.
4470 is way better than 4430. It has a way better GPU also. I think b&n choose wise on cpu`s this time. But it seems new crop comes with way more secure boot loaders.
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Perhaps this all boils down to a generation barrier. I can't imagine why someone felt a lock bootloader was necessary to protect their advertising interest. Isn't it better to be the best and let the customer come flocking to your door?
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huh ? ? ?
In my humble opinion, ( what they did in the first NT ) a "locked and signed boot loader" is the MOST nastiest thing a company can do. . I believe it shows that they think that the dev community as the enemy. . So that makes mr. william lynch a first class ass in my book. . . So the one hundred ninety nine dollar question is, will the NT HD have the same nastiness ? ? ? . . My guess is yes... probably worse.
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Repost from B&N Community forum-
I own a Nook Table 16G and have gone through the agony of losing app sideloading when OS was upgraded over the air. I finally moved to CM7 SD version and started seeing the light. If not for CM7, I wouldn't have been able to download from Google Play many apps which are still not yet available in Nook Store after almost a year. I've never missed Nook OS and its built-in apps.
I will not invest another dime to B&N's device before I know for sure that: (1) I can root it and block update OTA completely, and/or (2) I can SD boot it into a full Android device.
By the way, I'm proud to say that throughout my 10-month ownership of Nook Tablet, I haven't spend my money buying any B&N product (books included) - as my boycott to B&N. Sorry, B&N!
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Listen, I understand how people are looking at KF and thinking - man, it's already rooted, has CWM and ROMS are but a minute away. Our NT is still locked down, and we're being told it may stay this way.
So naturally, being in your return period, you're thinking about switching boats to KF.
I have one word explaining why that's a real bad idea: SPECS.
Ok, say you have a KF running CM on it.
RAM - you have 512MB RAM. That's low, not enough for GB or ICS. No need arguing that GB will run on it - yes it will, but it'll never be as smooth as a 1GB RAM device. Android will keep closing apps to free up mem, that creates response lag.
Anybody who had an original SGS with GB on it knows - you just can't make an SGSII out of it, it will always lag here and there. Read engadget review - they are complaining about how laggy it is.
Memory - You've got 6GB memory. That's it. You'll never have any more. That means you'll constantly feel deprived of space - you can't load full HD movies to watch, you can't load your music collection on it. You'll constantly be sacrificing something.
Books/Media store - you only have access to Amazon media store, since B&N doesn't have a store you can install and use. On a NT, though, without any root we already can stream Amazon content, read Kindle books, and that's all with native support of everything B&N has to offer.
No MIC - forget about using your Fire with Google Voice. There's no mic. Also forget about recording yourself reading books to your kids, to use in case you're on vacation or something.
Amazon Cloud you say? Yes, but only where you have a good WiFi connection. As soon as you're out of range - the fun stops. Phone tethering you say? Those 2GB will disappear MEGA FAST if you stream to your KF.
Amazon videos you say? Sure, but remember - that ain't free. Pay Amazon Prime membership fee, then also pay for movies themselves. And again, only when on WiFi and you don't get to keep it.
On the other hand, consider this:
With NT, even without root, we already have a device that's:
Very snappy
Able to sideload apps
Able to run a different launcher
Able to run Opera browser - nice n fast
Able to run 720p videos in browser, full screen
Able to play almost any video up to full-HD 1080p BlueRay
Able to play AVI files with free third-party players (no need for conversion)
Has 33GB+ of memory with an added SD card. I've just loaded tons of movies, books, magazines and music on it, and still have space remaining
Will be able to be used as a phone with Google Voice
Run Amazon Market (some have reported that even older Android Market APK works)
Run both Amazon's and B&N's premium content.
Think about it. Yes, KF was hacked faster than our NT was, but in the end, we already have almost everything we need, AND we have a much more powerful device.
KF was quicker at the start, but it has almost depleted its potential as a modern Android tablet, considering what future versions of Android need. Our device still has tons of untapped potential.
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Engadget released a comparison between the two HERE.
Here are some interesting parts for the lazy:
Both tablets are a good size for one-handed reading, though the Nook edges out the Kindle here a bit, with its slightly lighter weight (14.1 ounces to the Fire's 14.6). The Nook's subtly convex back and plastic bezel make a bit easier to hold.
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Both devices rock 1GHz dual-core processors, but the Nook has an edge here, with its 1GB of RAM to the Fire's 512MB -- and certainly the difference is noticeable, even when booting up something as simple as a game like Angry Birds. Things are even more pronounced during video playback. We took Shutter Island for a spin via Netflix streaming on both devices, and it was really like night and day. Motion is far less choppy on the Barnes & Noble device. The HD playback on the Nook also picked up subtle imagery like patterns on ties, which were largely lost on the Fire.
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tl;dr version: PATIENCE!
+1 to NT and I repped you too!
oh wait..not SD. LOL
That is why everyone needs to pull their pants back up and wait.
It will be rooted.
I also voted this thread up!
How hard would it be for them to close the sideload loophole? The thing updates automatically, right? Obviously they are not going to be excited hearing about everyone using the Amazon store.
I agree the Fire is not a good alternative for exactly your reasons, but that doesn't necessarily mean that this is worth keeping if it turns out to be locked down tight.
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How hard would it be for them to close the sideload loophole? The thing updates automatically, right? Obviously they are not going to be excited hearing about everyone using the Amazon store.
I agree the Fire is not a good alternative for exactly your reasons, but that doesn't necessarily mean that this is worth keeping if it turns out to be locked down tight.
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In my opinion, a locked NT as it is right now is still much better than a KF running CM.
But given that they locked it down, don't you think it was a mistake/accident that they allowed apk installs through the browser? When they push the first update will that ability still be there?
DarkDvr, normally i would agree with you if the market only have two 7inch tablet to choose from (KF and NT). However this is not the case, we have tons of options in 7inch tablet market, and if B&N really is being an ass to lock down the NT, then people can choose other tablets that might fit their need better.
Last year when NC came out there was only two 7inch tablet (NC, and Samsung Tab), so we get a lot more developer support, and people are willing to be more patient, but this is no longer the case.
7inch tablets:
Nook Tablet
Kindle Fire
Samsung Tab (~$250 refurbished for 3g version, cheaper for wifi version)
Nook Color ($199)
Lenovo Idea Pad A1 (Cortext A8, 512mb ram, bluetooth, GPS, f/b camera, microsd slot, $199)
Acer Iconia Tab A100 (tegra 2, 1gb ram, Honeycomb, bluetooth, f/b camera, <$200 on BF)
Kobo Vox (Cortex A8, 512 ram, Gingerbread, MicroSd, $199)
Samsung Tab 7.0 Plus (Exynos dual core, 1gb ram, honeycomb, GPS, BT, F/B camera, $399)
Samsung Tab 7.7 (Exynos, 1gb ram, Honeycomb, GPS, BT, F/B camera, 1280x800, price?)
HTC Flyer (1.5ghz, pen input, $299)
Dell Streak 7 Tablet (Tegra 2, 800x480, Honeycomb, f/b camera)
And those are only the major brands, there are other off brands like Archos, Velocity Micro, Coby, that i didn't include.
So to me, if B&N really want to piss off the community that help make their NC a success to began with, then I will vote with my wallet and let them know that it is not a good idea to piss off the people your loyal customer, and your first adopter for the NT.
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Don't get me wrong, I still have high hope for the NT, and i really like the NC/NT simple but elegant design. However if B&N really choose to lookdown the NT's bootloader (which the dev community haven't conclusively proven yet), then i really don't want to buy a product from a company that chooses to piss off it's loyal customers.
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7inch tablets:
Nook Tablet
Kindle Fire
Samsung Tab (~$250 refurbished for 3g version, cheaper for wifi version)
Nook Color ($199)
Lenovo Idea Pad A1 (Cortext A8, 512mb ram, bluetooth, GPS, f/b camera, microsd slot, $199)
Acer Iconia Tab A100 (tegra 2, 1gb ram, Honeycomb, bluetooth, f/b camera, <$200 on BF)
Kobo Vox (Cortex A8, 512 ram, Gingerbread, MicroSd, $199)
Samsung Tab 7.0 Plus (Exynos dual core, 1gb ram, honeycomb, GPS, BT, F/B camera, $399)
Samsung Tab 7.7 (Exynos, 1gb ram, Honeycomb, GPS, BT, F/B camera, 1280x800, price?)
HTC Flyer (1.5ghz, pen input, $299)
Dell Streak 7 Tablet (Tegra 2, 800x480, Honeycomb, f/b camera)
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True, I definitely think that locking NT was a huge mistake that B&N will pay for, but for some of us NT IS the best option.
Samsung Tab - 10 inch heavy shovel - screw that
NC - too weak and laggy, even after mods
Lenovo - 512 RAM, weak
Acer Iconia - I see $330+ price even for 8GB version
Kobo Vox - 512 RAM and don't trust that brand
Samsung Tab 7.0 Plus - 400+tax for a tablet is overpriced
Samsung Tab 7.7 - even more expensive?
HTC Flyer - slow and laggy, overpriced since day 1
Dell Streak - slow and laggy, low res screen
What I'm saying is that when you, like me, are in the market for a cheap tablet, there's only 2 good options - NT and KF. Rest of them are either overpriced as a device (going into netbook or UP category, where they just can't compete) or some shady brands.
At least that's my thinking.
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Don't get me wrong, I still have high hope for the NT, and i really like the NC/NT simple but elegant design. However if B&N really choose to lookdown the NT's bootloader (which the dev community haven't conclusively proven yet), then i really don't want to buy a product from a company that chooses to piss off it's loyal customers.
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Agreed, and given a choice, I'd always go for a company that doesn't insult my intelligence and doesn't treat its customers as morons. However, I have full faith in XDA community and still believe this will get hacked. And when it does, I'll be pointing finger at KF and laughing maniacally.
Depending on the weather here on the forum in the next 12 days, B&N may be losing my $260 to a Samsung G 7+ (maybe even a KF if I'm feeling crazy). Or just wait a few months see what turns up after Christmas.
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So to me, if B&N really want to piss off the community that help make their NC a success to began with, then I will vote with my wallet and let them know that it is not a good idea to piss off the people your loyal customer, and your first adopter for the NT.
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I saw a quote linked somewhere here recently from someone from B&N and they said something about 3% of NC coming from modders. I don't know how accurate or guesstimated that number was, but we shouldn't forget that they sell millions of these devices to normal consumers and there are only thousands of us. I'd like to think they keep people like us in mind, but we certainly aren't they primary market by a long shot.
I agree that there are lots of other options, but it's disheartening when none seem to have the build quality and specs in the same price range as the Nook models, excluding BF sales that might be hard to get. The IdeaPad looks intriguing at first glance but is the same basic hardware as the year-old NC and with a worse screen (and eww: the $200 version has 2GB storage that probably won't ever fit ICS). Acer A100 looks nice but also has a cheaper screen and a small battery.
DarkDvr while i am like you, think that the NT might be the best fit for my use case also. But with so many choices out there, i think our dev and support community won't be anywhere near the same as it was with NC. Plus with the bone headed move on B&N part, i don't see many true devotee sticking to the NT like yourself. And that is the ultimate problem, without a strong dev community, the NT most likely won't get all the goodies like CM7/CM9, which is what made the NC awesome.
By the way the Samsung Tab i was referring to earlier is the 7inch model, the same one that came out right before NC. Both are rocking Cortex-A8 processor.
I am honestly VERY happy with the status of my KT right now. As it stands, with a launcher, widgetlocker app and all the other sideloaded apps I wanted I have everything i wanted.
I dont care if I lose amazon marketplace support, because honestly I can find any apk I want all amazon does is give me a way to read reviews (which i can through the browser + android market)
the only thing, and trust me it is a HUGE thing, i am terrified of is that come day 15 or 16 or even 30, B&N releases a firmware update i cannot click 'no' to and it updates my nook and closes the hole we've been using. I dont know if its possible, but I reckon it is and that would make me a very sad camper since stock, this thing is a total piece of **** software wise (nook market is worthless), i bought a tablet, not an ereader.
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I saw a quote linked somewhere here recently from someone from B&N and they said something about 3% of NC coming from modders. I don't know how accurate or guesstimated that number was, but we shouldn't forget that they sell millions of these devices to normal consumers and there are only thousands of us. I'd like to think they keep people like us in mind, but we certainly aren't they primary market by a long shot.
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Boomn i think you underestimate the word of mouth, and unofficial advertisement B&N get from the modder community. Every few weeks there is a story on Engadget, Liliputing or Gizmodo about how great the NC community is, and the release of the a popular Rom for the NC. Or how most of the highly rated reviews on B&N, Amazon, BB are from modder who brought the NC to use as a tablet. So while we as a community might be small, but our influences on "Normal" people's purchase decision are much higher than B&N thinks.
And if B&N think that they can piss off the dev community, while taking on Amazon, and all the other 7inch tablet maker out there, and still make the NT a commercial success, they might be in for huge disappointment. Just look at how many of the NT and KF review out there mention rooting or app side-loading as part of the official review, and how much negative PR B&N got from the 1GB storage limitation on the review sites.
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Because I live in Italy I'll receive my NT only on 26Nov. (if I will lucky), so no give back option for me
So.. I really, really hope that a hack will be found. Just the root will be enough for me
With the root we'll be able to run custom recovery, trow away what we don't need and add what is missing (settings, etc).
BTW for me realease the source and lock the bootloader is a nonsense!
First post.
I'm a full-time iOS developer with about 6 iOS devices on my desk right now. I really like iOS and love developing for it. Having said that....
I picked up a Kindle (e-ink) about a year ago and then switched to a Nook Simple Touch the day they were released. I've been watching the KF/NT release with great interest.
I eventually decided on the Nook Tablet and stumbled across this site the day I got it (the 16th). I have been blown away by the things you people have accomplished in just a couple of days and I've had a blast watching the hour-by-hour discoveries.
My main reason for getting the NT was as a reader and everything you folks are doing is icing on the cake. Very nice icing!
I'm also very optimistic that breakthroughs will continue even if the pace slows a bit. For me the KF is just too restricted in capability--even it if can be rooted.
As an aside, I also have access to a handful of Android devices including a 10.1 Galaxy Tab, and a Lenovo Ideapad K1 (it helps when the company is buying), but I prefer the Nook Tablet to either.
As long as I can keep side-loading apps I'll be happy. I certainly understand the sentiments of those not wanting to reward B&N for what appears to be a snub. At the same time as long as they continue to allow me some method to get a few more apps on the device I'm good with it.
It's been my experience that once I get a device setup--either iOS or Android--I really only end up using a handful of apps (after trying dozens)--but I want them to be very good apps that *I* get to choose.
Thank you to you all!
This thread should not exist, has nothing to do with android development and sounds more like a sales pitch than anything.
I get it you prefer the NT, me too but this thread is pointless and should be deleted...
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Boomn i think you underestimate the word of mouth, and unofficial advertisement B&N get from the modder community. Every few weeks there is a story on Engadget, Liliputing or Gizmodo about how great the NC community is, and the release of the a popular Rom for the NC. Or how most of the highly rated reviews on B&N, Amazon, BB are from modder who brought the NC to use as a tablet. So while we as a community might be small, but our influences on "Normal" people's purchase decision are much higher than B&N thinks.
And if B&N think that they can piss off the dev community, while taking on Amazon, and all the other 7inch tablet maker out there, and still make the NT a commercial success, they might be in for huge disappointment. Just look at how many of the NT and KF review out there mention rooting or app side-loading as part of the official review, and how much negative PR B&N got from the 1GB storage limitation on the review sites.
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Good point, we are certainly a vocal and influential bunch. However lots of those "normal" consumers would never check any place like Engadget for any review and have probably never heard of it. Mentions of modding/hacking/flashing in online store reviews go right over lots of people's heads too. Amazon and B&N are going to sell a ton of their tablets through physical stores like Walmart, Target, BestBuy, etc where most people still shop too. I agree that we probably do have more influence than just 3%... and now I'm not even sure where I was going with this point, lol
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This thread should not exist, has nothing to do with android development and sounds more like a sales pitch than anything.
I get it you prefer the NT, me too but this thread is pointless and should be deleted...
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This is the general forum for the NT not the development forum. Calm down.
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This is the general forum for the NT not the development forum. Calm down.
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My mistake, was on the wrong tab.
Still though, pointless thread is pointless. We all know the better device.
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My mistake, was on the wrong tab.
Still though, pointless thread is pointless. We all know the better device.
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I completely agree with that, but this thread serves as a reminder why it is still better than the Fire, to those that might not know.
notinterested said:
This thread should not exist, has nothing to do with android development and sounds more like a sales pitch than anything.
I get it you prefer the NT, me too but this thread is pointless and should be deleted...
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...Excuse me?
Forgive me for not appreciating your "experience" on XDA since, omg, feb 2010, but this is a General NT forum, and this thread is very much important to people who are right now at a tipping point between NT and KF, considering the latest root news for both devices.
So drink some coolaid and move along, kid.
The only discernible difference is 8G of storage memory instead of 16G. The price is meant to match the Kindle Fire, obviously.
Here's a product link:
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/p/nook-tablet-barnes-noble/1104687969?ean=9781400501779
Note: I do not have one nor have I seen one of these -- just the page on the website.
Ram is also halved its now down to 512mb
Spec wise, it's pretty much the same as a Kindle Fire, but with microSD card support. Makes for a more interesting market out there for low cost tablets.
I guess the NT with 16GB are now an "NT Classic" model.
Perdiction: Barnes and Noble will be out of business within 2 years.
The Nook Tablet is far superior to Kindle Fire. But instead of B&N updating the NT so it can show off all it's bells and whistle, i.e., a true tablet for $249, these fools figured if we can't beat them, join them. Idiots.
I will sit back and watch B&N go down in flames and laugh my happy ass off.
Internal Storage
Also of note:
- NOOK Tablet–8GB: 5GB for content; of which 1GB is reserved for NOOK Store content
- NOOK Tablet–16GB:13GB for content; of which 12GB is reserved for NOOK Store content
Looks like they are giving more internal to the user by default in the 8gb unit.
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I guess the NT with 16GB are now an "NT Classic" model.
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I'd say this is more in line with how Apple rolled out the iPod nano - weaker specs, lower price.
I think it's actually pretty brilliant with what they're doing here. Tiered price models have been very successful in the past and B&N are competing wth the Kindle Fire on a more even playing field now. Everyone was obsessing over the price of the Fire; now there's a Nook to match it competitively.
That being said, I think the Fire's still gonna stay on top of the cheap tablet market. The average user is usually stuck with stock firnware and the content Amazon's got in that case is miles ahead of B&N.
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Perdiction: Barnes and Noble will be out of business within 2 years.
The Nook Tablet is far superior to Kindle Fire. But instead of B&N updating the NT so it can show off all it's bells and whistle, i.e., a true tablet for $249, these fools figured if we can't beat them, join them. Idiots.
I will sit back and watch B&N go down in flames and laugh my happy ass off.
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You mad bro?
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I'd say this is more in line with how Apple rolled out the iPod nano - weaker specs, lower price.
I think it's actually pretty brilliant with what they're doing here. Tiered price models have been very successful in the past and B&N are competing wth the Kindle Fire on a more even playing field now. Everyone was obsessing over the price of the Fire; now there's a Nook to match it competitively.
That being said, I think the Fire's still gonna stay on top of the cheap tablet market. The average user is usually stuck with stock firnware and the content Amazon's got in that case is miles ahead of B&N.
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I second that. Amazon apps are far more numerous and far more competitively priced than anything B&N has done so far. And the Kindle Fire is simply far easier to tinker with than the Nook Tablet.
B&N are trying to catch up with Amazon, but they started out a little late. Kindle Fire has now a solid reputation, and there is nothing B&N can do to reverse that.
I went for the NT because on paper it seemed like a good choice: 16 GB of storage and microSD. But I found out that I could only use 1 GB of that storage. So I ended up buying an 8 GB miscroSD card.
If I had to do it all over again, I probably would go with a Kindle Fire.
Now with the CM7, and hopefully CM9 soon enough, I have a decent cheap 7" tablet.
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Mad? No. Just stating the facts. Barnes and Noble is a failed company and it doesn't have to be.
Instead of freeing up the Nook Tablet, these fools make a Nook Kindle Fire. Have these idiots no understanding of why the KF is out selling them? No, they don't.
So you half the memory and lower the price $50. Did they think the reason they weren't selling like the KF was the price? It's not the price. It's the BN software they locked the device down with.
The average buyer has no idea what root is nor should they. What they know is they can't do the things on the NT that can be done on a KF. They know that free apps on the KF cost $3.99 on the NT. They don't care that the NT is a much better product spec wise. They know that when they purchased a product called a Nook "Tablet", they weren't expecting a Nook "Reader".
Mad? No. Pissed at myself for buying and then not returning this locked down POS - yes.
Looks to me like more great hardware at a reasonable price. The average user may prefer the total package that comes with the Fire (hardware and apps) or even the iPad. But, with the resources available here to root the Nook Tablets and load CM7 or CM9, these are great tablets.
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Perdiction: Barnes and Noble will be out of business within 2 years.
The Nook Tablet is far superior to Kindle Fire. But instead of B&N updating the NT so it can show off all it's bells and whistle, i.e., a true tablet for $249, these fools figured if we can't beat them, join them. Idiots.
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I bet their decisions are based on Sixsigma/Lean LOL
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My opinion is that the 16GB nook tab is much better than KF and the 8GB nook tab, as we have
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16GB space
and of course 1 GB RAM
For me the ram is the most important
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Mad? No. Just stating the facts. Barnes and Noble is a failed company and it doesn't have to be.
Instead of freeing up the Nook Tablet, these fools make a Nook Kindle Fire. Have these idiots no understanding of why the KF is out selling them? No, they don't.
So you half the memory and lower the price $50. Did they think the reason they weren't selling like the KF was the price? It's not the price. It's the BN software they locked the device down with.
The average buyer has no idea what root is nor should they. What they know is they can't do the things on the NT that can be done on a KF. They know that free apps on the KF cost $3.99 on the NT. They don't care that the NT is a much better product spec wise. They know that when they purchased a product called a Nook "Tablet", they weren't expecting a Nook "Reader".
Mad? No. Pissed at myself for buying and then not returning this locked down POS - yes.
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That's definitely not the case. Do you really think the main driver for sales of the Fire was whether or not it's an open platform?
The majority of consumers are not like us. They don't care about custom ROMs, rooting, or modding. Most of them just buy devices and use them. Amazon is a bigger and more tech-savvy company with better marketing muscle. They also have a leg-up in the e-reader market since they broke it into the mainstream with the original Kindle. That means they get better exposure and better brand name recognition by default when compared to B&N, regardless of what products are competing. They also have WAY more digital content to offer than B&N, especially on the Fire, which had the lower price tag initially and was announced way earlier than the Nook Tablet. Being first is a powerful thing.
I agree that the Nook Tablet being locked down sucks, but it's not going to end B&N. Amazon will stay dominant but device markets usually have room for second-placers and runners-up. B&N is still a very important figure in the book business too, digital or not.
The problem as I see it with Barnes and Noble is with their fragmentation of their apps into yet another app store. They are doing the 70/30 pay structure similar to Apple. What they should be doing is have curated or "Nook Recommends" store that is compatible with Android.
The current selection of apps is not going to do it. They don't have FB, Twitter, top game developers on board. That and having apps that cost money when the same apps are on iOS or Android for free (no free version of words with friends).
They have all this power but no app ecosystem.
It's like having a V6 engine in a Power Wheels, and limiting the top speed to 5 mph.
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My opinion is that the 16GB nook tab is much better than KF and the 8GB nook tab, as we have
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I agree. The loss of storage space is small potatoes when you have the sd slot. The loss of ram is a blow, especially if you're buying hardware for the long run.
Kindle fire also has advertising, unlike the nook tablet. Magazines, web- Amazon andi have seen on TV as well. nook tablet has had none of this. That said the nook tablet is better.
I bought my NT when they first came out. I couldn't wait to get it and was major league disappointed. In fact, the only thing that kept me from returning it was seeing some posts in these very forums talking about CM7 and CM9 coming.
Now I have CM7 up and running, thanks to Team-B, and I finally feel like I have a tablet worth owning.
That is the biggest issue in my mind with B&N and even with the KF. These tablets are so much less than they could be. I understand the need for the device makers to earn some money on these through book, magazine, movie, and app sales. However, they have crippled it so much and with the interface built for the over 70 crowd, this will just not keep anybody who has a smartphone happy for more than a couple of hours.
I still buy my books through B&N. They have wonderful ereader software that I use every day. They just don't have to shackle me to keep me as a customer.
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Pissed at myself for buying and then not returning this locked down POS - yes.
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Wait. This was posted today? :what:
Please define "locked down". My NT hasn't seemed very locked for the past 2 months... And even less locked the past 2 weeks.
Back on topic, no thanks, you can keep the KF and the 8GB NT. I prefer an sd card slot, and 16GB internal storage, and the GB of ram, and the ergonomics of the device.
IOW, NT (classic, lol) + CM7 (thanks again, guys) = happy camper
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8e0OLWQYc4 let the freak out begin LOL ;P
I'm looking for a cheap Android Tablet and I know there are mods for both the Nook Color and Tablet, however the Tablet specifications are higher based on my searches.
My question is twofold: Is there *that* much of a performance difference between the Tablet/Color and: Which one is more customizeable (In the form of Root/Recovery/ROM development, etc.) and (ok twofold and a half!): Which would you recommend on a budget?
Thanks!
I apologize in advance if this question has been asked-I did not see it during my searches through the forums.
Performance on the 16GB Nook tablet is noticeably better than the Nook Color. I'm not sure about the 8GB, 512mb ram Nook tablet, but I'd imagine it has better performance, but a bit more limitation. With that said, development on the Nook Color far exceeds that of the Nook Tablet; its been out longer and wasn't anywhere near as heavily locked down as the Nook Tablet, which has hindered a lot of development of the Nook Tablet.
Nevertheless, despite limited developers on the Nook Tablet, the development is solid. CM7 is very stable. CM9 is also very stable, with the exception of hardware acceleration (no Netflix, not sure about HD youtube).
I'd say if you go Nook Tablet, go the full distance and get the 16GB. Or if you can wait, wait for the rumored Google Nexus Tablet that is supposed to be 7" and around $200.
it really depends on your expectations.. on a tight budget a refurb nook color for 99 is your best bet.. but i think youll have regrets so i really suggest saving up 300 get the 16gb at best buy with the geek squad warranty.
If I were to buy a tablet today..not back in nov. when I bought my NT, I would probably go with this..
http://www.frys.com/product/7019281?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
Galaxy tab 2 7" running ICS. It has everything we are trying to get, plus it already running 4.0.3. at the $249 price point with expandable memory it is a
pretty nice device. I thought it was very smooth and responsive and I wouldn't have to hack it to get what I wanted. It has been fun to learn the rooting process and messing around, but in the end I wish that I would have waited if I knew this was going to be on the market so soon. I am sure it is lacking some things, but it was hard to see just by the few minutes I messed with it. Good luck deciding. One other thing for me is that I don't use BN content so the Galaxy tab at the same price is very interesting.
I worked at B&N and I can tell you by experience I would not recommend the Nook Color to anyone, and I told this to my managers- I despised it.
When Nook Tablet came out, I changed my opinion on it.
Moral of the story is, stock wise- nook tablet performs substantially better than the Nook color.
However, I cannot tell you how CM7 works on the NC.
I had a Samsung Tab 2 7.0 and I took it back. Most everything about it was fine except this: There was no option to move apps to the sd card. I tried two transfer apps from Google Play and neither of them worked. The tablet is supposed to have 8GB of storage, but after you subtract the OS and Samsung's additions, there is only a little over 4GB left.
A comment on the internet said that this transfer problem was a "feature" of ICS. If anyone knows if this is true, or if there is a way around it, I would certainly like to know.
Cubanluke88 said:
I'd say if you go Nook Tablet, go the full distance and get the 16GB. Or if you can wait, wait for the rumored Google Nexus Tablet that is supposed to be 7" and around $200.
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...Interesting-I hadn't heard about the Google Nexus Tablet. I'm ultimately trying to find a tablet to play with that has decent performance under $200....(Ideally under $150, but that may not be realistic)....
...Maybe that'll make B & N push down the price of the Nook Tablet
Overstock. Com has the Nook Colors (refirbished) for $135, and the Tablet 16 Gb (also refurb) for $199. I'll got a refurb Tablet from them and it looks and works fine.
And yes, the Tablet 16 Gb is noticeably faster than the Color; both running CM7.
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J_M_H said:
Overstock. Com has the Nook Colors (refirbished) for $135, and the Tablet 16 Gb (also refurb) for $199. I'll got a refurb Tablet from them and it looks and works fine.
And yes, the Tablet 16 Gb is noticeably faster than the Color; both running CM7.
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Yikes... NC for $135 is absolutely not worth it.
JRam13 said:
Yikes... NC for $135 is absolutely not worth it.
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ya, I thought I saw some NC on Ebay for less than that (Like $99, and I thought that was high, but I don't admittedly know the value in relation to this price)
Go with the NT. There's one being sent to an Elite Recognized Developer who works on the binary level as we speak, so it's only a matter of time before everything gets unlocked.
Hello folks,
I have a question regarding the Nook tablet. I was making a delivery to a customer this morning and he has a Nook 16GBTablet. We got to talking and he indicated that he was going to sell it since his wife didn't use it. It looks like new physically and I am considering obtaining it for one of my grandsons, basically so I can get my Nook Color with CM7.2 on it back from him. Is the Nook Tablet a worthwhile barter or would something else be better? I bought a Samsung Tab2 7" tablet for a younger grandson a couple of weeks ago and he really likes it, But I don't think I can get a deal like I got for the Samsung. I only gave $169 for it new, still sealed in the box and I doubt I will find another deal like that as I'm pretty sure the fella sold it to me for less than he paid for it. I'm getting off track here, what I need to know is if the Nook Tablet is even a worthwhile Andriod tablet or would I be better off waiting a bit for the new, different brand tablets to come out?
Check swappa.com and see the prices for the tablets. Maybe you get to catch a good deal, I bought my Samsung captivate there and loving it. The nook is worth it in my opinion and the deal breaker is the sdcard slot . Nexus 7 temps me but no sdcard slot no way I buy it, anyways for what I do the nook tablet is enough. Tho I know kids love games and probably that is what they do in their tablets more than anything and the nook does a decent job with kids games, heavy games not that good.
Tablets with Tegra 2 chip is gamers glory and with dual/quad cores is a dream but your budget is not enough.
Good luck!
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The nexus 7 is ( in my humble opinion ) the product of the year. The other major producers were surprised and knocked back on their butt. Now they have to answer back with something equal or better. Then there is the argument that it is 'not' just the product but the 'exosphere' along with the product. Lastly, the Nook is a fine performing tablet.
The Nook Tablet, was made to be a reader, but the xda community saw it to having more potential then BN wanted it to. The Nook Tablet has gone far from becoming a full-fledged reader into a usable, 7-inch Android tablet wonder. The Nook was at the bottom along with it's brother in technology, the Kindle Fire, as it was a reader, but it has pushed to the top, and now is one of the most popular tablets out there. I have a Nexus 7 myself, and it is amazing, but was at the top from when it was born. The Nook, and the great devs of this forum, had to work it up there, while BN did not help even once, except for the kernel. We even have our own nearly working kernel, thanks to Rebellos, Chris, and Kuzma. We have succeeded in reaching the latest Google experience, Jelly Bean AKA Android 4.1, and the devs hope to keep working and catching up with Google. As the problems slide off the radar, more devs have appeared. The Nook may not be a Nexus 7, but it sure damn does the job like it.
From what I've heard/read/seen I could make such list of tablets in this class, from best to slighty worse
1) Nexus7
2) Nook Tablet
3) Kindle Fire (note this has got better Android support than NookTab for now <points at Hashcode>)
4) Nook Color
There are for sure others, but I don't know others.
Also, if you want to use it as overpowered Android device someday - get 16GB version, it has got 1GB of RAM, while 8GB ver got 512MB of RAM and it might be not enough for some games, more browser tabs, etc.
Thanks for the opinions.
If I and the owner decide to work out a barter I may do the deal. Cash purchases are not many, but I do quite a bit of bartering and it is a 16GB Tablet. Have a 14 almost 15 year old grandson that could make good use of it I believe. Don't know how savvy he would be to rooting the Nook though he is really good with computers, he fixes all my messups.
When the reboot bug gets squashed expect lovely things coming along.
I get 1.9Mpixel/sec on this test on default clocks.
http://www.ziilabs.com/products/software/mandelmark.php
0.1Mpixel/sec more than Galaxy nexus o.o
Imagine 2x1.2ghz and gpu from 308mhz to 384mhz that can be easily be achieved without any problems as our platform 2.3ES defaults to 1.2ghz.
Is not implemented yet because of the 1st priority is to fix that reboot bug!
Also new drivers for graphic card are release from ti DDK1.9 i guess more speed will be possible also with them implemented
http://www.omapzoom.org/?p=device/t...it;h=ad17249821001789f159a5d5c542302e5f38cd2e
When our developers finish with this board you will have nothing to be jealous from Nexus7.
You would be able to play anything you throw at it
Edit: 2.2 Mpixels/sec on DDK1.9
What are your thoughts? I know how hard the KF is to modify and it will lack support, but to the average user who will watch movies, surf the web, and play games...what differences will there be??
Things I know:
The KF has a smaller screen...
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- Movies will be clearer on the Nexus 10
- Surfing the web should be better on the Nexus 10 (more screen estate + higher resolution)
- Playing games should be better on the Nexus 10 (Android, better graphics chip (I think), more screen estate + higher resolutions)
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- Movies will be clearer on the Nexus 10...
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What makes you say that in particular? Due to the larger screen of the N10, I agree. However, the 1920x1200 resolution of the Fire HD 8.9 should play anything as clearly aside from the size; it can do 1080p without losing pixels.
I do worry that the extra pixels will be costly on the N10 - more computation, choppiness (especially in games), shorter battery life. I don't know the specifics, but I presume the N10 will have to scale to 1080p. The 16:10 analog to 1080p is 1920x1200, which means the N10 has 1/3 more pixels in each dimension. So some sort of transformation would have to be done to stretch the image. Since this isn't a simple whole number multiple, doesn't this require additional computation?
I expect it'd be similar to the rMBP. If you run at the default resolution. It basically draws a 1440x900 resolution at 2x in each dimension giving 2880x1800. If you choose to run at an effective resolution at 1920x1200, it computes a 3840x2400 image and scales it down if you're in HiDPI mode. People say it chugs in this mode.
I'm curious on how all this works and which apps/situations will result in performance costs... anyone have a good resource? It's not like this is a new problem; 720p has to be scaled to fit in 1080p screens.
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Yeah, resource would be first-hand experience. I watch movies and play games on my N10 and none of what you assume about choppiness and such exist. In fact, it's probably -the- best experience I've had with a handheld device. I stopped using my 17" laptop to watch movies and watch them on my N10 because of it's portability and ability to reproduce stunning results on a much smaller screen. It really does look that great when watching high-def movies [720p 1080p etc].
Why is it even a question that a smaller tablet with a lower resolution might be a better buy than the Nexus 10?
Nothing I've used in terms of tablets is on par with the screens and videos the N10 can produce. For those who do not have one, if you get a chance to play with one at a retail store soon. Please do and compare it to other tablets there. You'll see that it is incredibly obvious when it comes to media that the N10 is better. At least in my own opinion.
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- Movies will be clearer on the Nexus 10
- Surfing the web should be better on the Nexus 10 (more screen estate + higher resolution)
- Playing games should be better on the Nexus 10 (Android, better graphics chip (I think), more screen estate + higher resolutions)
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Video playback, in most common scenarios, should be better in fire's screen, due to pixel extrapolation (at least with usual formats, like 1080p).
N10 should outperform fire. In battery, we should wait for tests, but i'm not that much confident about N10 beating kindle fire.
Lot of good feedback so far. I know this is probably a little tough since there's no way for a hands on comparison yet. As far as outperforming goes the KF is supposed to have a pretty nice processor right?
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Don't forget Miracast support in the future for the Nexus 10, Android updates, and access to the Play Store. The KF is a forked ICS build will never get JB. You get a whole lot more for hte extra $100. Really a no brainer unless you absolutely can't afford the extra $100 but then you should not have even posted this question.
OK, so it's not QUITE the Nexus 10 vs Kindle Fire HD+ benchmark that we'll see posted eventually, but here's what I was able to extrapolate:
The Kindle Fire HD is using an OMAP 4470, which isn't a bad piece of silicon but looks to be hedged out in just about all areas by the Exynos 5250, at least from these two benchmarks that I'm using to compare:
OMAP 4470 in an Archos 101 XS
Nexus 10 & 4 Performance Preview
It seems that the Exynos 5250 is capable of pushing the fun resolution we're enjoying, but it pays a price in some of the benchmarks.Still good numbers, but not iPad topping.
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Don't forget Miracast support in the future for the Nexus 10, Android updates, and access to the Play Store. The KF is a forked ICS build will never get JB. You get a whole lot more for hte extra $100. Really a no brainer unless you absolutely can't afford the extra $100 but then you should not have even posted this question.
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Don't worry I can afford it. I should have mentioned though I'm comparing 32gb so the price difference is a bit more than $100 but money is not a factor. I just saw a quadrant score for the KF 8.9 of 27xx and laughed but if they perform the same it won't matter I guess. Never getting JB sounds like it'll never get any update unless it's for the KF os is that right
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I forgot what the specs on the Fire HD was but I do know that it was one ugly mofo if that matters to you. I was going to get it and root it for the specs until the Nexus 10 was announced.
Bataga said:
What are your thoughts? I know how hard the KF is to modify and it will lack support, but to the average user who will watch movies, surf the web, and play games...what differences will there be??
Things I know:
The KF has a smaller screen...
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My wife has a KF HD (7"), and I just got the Nexus 10. The KF HD is definitely good for the casual user, but the Nexus 10 is considerably better for surfing the web, watching movies and gaming. Bone stock, the Antutu benchmark score was in the high 9000s (my stock GS3 normally scores in the low 6000s), if you care for that sort of thing. Let's not forget stock Android, with timely OS updates directly from Google!
By the way, nice avatar and signature banner! \m/
N10 is a beast and so its somewhat of a no brainier but honestly if you just want to mostly read ebooks and do some movie watching, the Kindle Fire HD will do the job. It will come with Kindle exclusive library from Amazon that will offer features free books and rentals only for kindle devices. Its form factor is also better in ways of smaller size and lighter in weight. The N10 won't be the Brest for long ebook readings due to its size and weight. The screen on the Kindle Fire HD has a good screen and you won't feel like you made a bad choice. Its a lot cheaper and more portable. I would just go with the Kindle Fire HD if your use for it is just casual stuff like ebook reading ans light movie watching.
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Don't forget the tattoo also
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I would actually prefer the Nook HD+'s form factor - I think 9" is just the right size, and the 4:3 aspect ratio is better for reading. Unfortunately it doesn't look like the Nook HD+ is getting much love on xda, so development will be hard to come by. I'll probably stick to the Nexus 10 in that case...
>What are your thoughts?
Depends on the buyer. KFHD 8.9 will be big with mainstream peeps simply for its $299 base price. I think it'll fare well against both iPad4 and iPad Mini this Q4. N10 is $499 at retail and will be a tough sell. Highest-res isn't enough.
For XDA peeps wanting CM love, KFHD is a disaster. Hashcode dude is apparently heading up the BL-bypass effort, and progress has been glacial. Peep at KFHD dev forum to see. At this pace, KFHD will get custom ROM at about same time as KF3 release. That's the problem. These things have 8-10 months' shelf life before being superceded by new toys.
My opinion is that N10 is best of 10" Androids to date, but compromises made to shoehorn in the high-res screen may be to large to swallow, starting with the $499 retail price ($399 is Play Store-only). Nexus and Android fans will be happy with N10; others, not so much. Still, for XDA'ers there's no comparison. N10 kills KFHD.
For XDA fans, an alternative to N10 would be Nook HD+ (9", 1920x1280 or 3:2 AR). Its bootloader is apparently unsigned, and custom ROMs should be more doable. It also has SD slot, and is $299 for 32GB (vs $369 for KFHD and $499 for N10). Negs include 2.4GHz-only wifi, proprietary port, and no HDMI without a clunky $40 adapter. Most would pooh-pooh B&N's wimpy eco as its main weakness, but for XDA peeps wanting custom ROM action, eco is irrelevant. At $269 base, it would be an awesome reader & web browser. Games, may be not so awesome.
Some prelim dev action is going on for HD+ in the Nook Color forum. Let's hope it picks up where NC left off. (Actually, NC is getting CM10 nightlies, so it still hasn't kicked the bucket just yet.)
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My opinion is that N10 is best of 10" Androids to date, but compromises made to shoehorn in the high-res screen may be to large to swallow, starting with the $499 retail price ($399 is Play Store-only).
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$399 is retail price (retail store or Play store) for the 16 GB Nexus 10.
$499 is retail price (retail store or Play store) for the 32 GB Nexus 10.
You are talking $299 vs. $399 (Kindle Fire 8.9 vs. Nexus 10....both 16 GB models) $384 vs. $499 if discussing the 32 GB models offered (without special offers on the KF).
>$399 is retail price (retail store or Play store) for the 16 GB Nexus 10.
>$499 is retail price (retail store or Play store) for the 32 GB Nexus 10.
B&M retailers are only selling N10 32GB SKU; 16GB SKU is Play Store only. Mainstream buyers don't buy expensive toys without a hands-on test, and the bulk of sales will be from B&M sources. Hence most will see only the $499 SKU, which has no price advantage against iPad. As 2011 has taught, Android tabs have neither the eco nor the build quality to go price parity with iPad. N10 isn't an exception.
It does get somewhat complicated. Walmart has dropped Amazon KFHDs from its stores because it views Amazon as competition (KFHDs are still carried by other B&Ms). Showrooming also factors in, the practice Amazon popularized by urging users to window-shop at a B&M before looking for a cheaper price online.
Still, the bottom line is that for most buyers (at B&M), all they'll see is $499 N10 vs $499 iPad vs $299 KFHD 8.9. N10 is between a rock and a hard place. The price-sensitive will go for KFHD, and the "quality-first" will go for iPad.
I want N10 to succeed as much as anyone here, but that doesn't factor in my assessment of its retail performance. Likewise, I want Nook HD+ to do well--unsigned bootloader, yay!--but I expect B&N's abysmal eco will sink it at retail. Depending on how Microsoft manages its $300 mil investment in NookCo, I expect (as with many) that this will be the last of the Nook line for Android, with future models being Wooks.
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>$399 is retail price (retail store or Play store) for the 16 GB Nexus 10.
>$499 is retail price (retail store or Play store) for the 32 GB Nexus 10.
B&M retailers are only selling N10 32GB SKU; 16GB SKU is Play Store only. Mainstream buyers don't buy expensive toys without a hands-on test, and the bulk of sales will be from B&M sources. Hence most will see only the $499 SKU, which has no price advantage against iPad. As 2011 has taught, Android tabs have neither the eco nor the build quality to go price parity with iPad. N10 isn't an exception.
It does get somewhat complicated. Walmart has dropped Amazon KFHDs from its stores because it views Amazon as competition (KFHDs are still carried by other B&Ms). Showrooming also factors in, the practice Amazon popularized by urging users to window-shop at a B&M before looking for a cheaper price online.
Still, the bottom line is that for most buyers (at B&M), all they'll see is $499 N10 vs $499 iPad vs $299 KFHD 8.9. N10 is between a rock and a hard place. The price-sensitive will go for KFHD, and the "quality-first" will go for iPad.
I want N10 to succeed as much as anyone here, but that doesn't factor in my assessment of its retail performance. Likewise, I want Nook HD+ to do well--unsigned bootloader, yay!--but I expect B&N's abysmal eco will sink it at retail. Depending on how Microsoft manages its $300 mil investment in NookCo, I expect (as with many) that this will be the last of the Nook line for Android, with future models being Wooks.
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I don't get why you say android tabs don't have the eco nor build quality as the iPad. Last I checked, not only does this screen smash the newest iPad in both resolution, but as well in PPI, lets talk about the the better processor, the better memory, the better gpu, and over all performance. Hands down ipad has lots of catch up to do. Then the build quality you say. There is no comparison in my opinion. This tablet not only feels much better when holding, but it looks butter. The front facing speakers, to the HDMI out, miniusd verses the proprietary plugs apple uses serves most users better. Now let's talk about the Eco. The ecosystem is better in android as well. Why you ask? Well simple. Its open source. We have cyanogenmod, evervolv, aokp, para, classicnerd, then just a slew of developers already modifying source code to make everything better and more customizable then any apple product created.
For goodness sakes, look at the HP touchpad, android ICS is running as good on that device as if android came stock, guess what, a worldwide community of developers have come together to make a $149 tablet worth every penny of $300+. Imagine what this tablet will become when pogo cables come to light, docking stations, and more. The hardware inside this device is capable of USB 3.0 which will open advancements for a continued growth to this device for years to come.
So let's reflect on this some. Hands down, without hesitation this device will be prevalent for years to come. The kfhd will lose because you can't even get a bl on it, the apple iPad will be on version 5-6 before it will come close to having what this does. So,you will be able to buy this device for $399 at any big box store soon enough which will give people another reason to jump on this train. Who wants to spend $699 for an ipud or $299 for a kfhd when this will do everything and more for way less then apple will ever sell for. No brainer.....
Don't mean to sound defensive, just hate it when people say ipads have better build quality. Its not even a comparison.
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People can have different opinions about what's "better." There is no wrong or right. What matters isn't what you or I think, but how many others think the same way as either of us.
Yours is the prototypical XDA view, and I empathize with it. But XDA isn't representative of the buying public, which is what mine above conveys.
There is a simple way to resolve the difference: Wait for a few months and see how well N10 fares against KFHD and iPad for Q4. There'll be data enough from the blogosphere.
I think N10 is a good first step for Android tablet eco, but Goog will need additional steps. I see it as an iterative process.
I can agree it will be up to sales. I don't necessarily agree with the blogoshpere. There are a lot of opinionated ones basing their judgement on a nexus 10 that didn't have the final system on it.
On a pure hardware and design standpoint, they hit a grandslam in the bottom of the 9th in game 7. There really is no comparison on the hardware to either of the other devices. That pure fact.
As far as the ecosystem, it will take some time for app developers to get on board with the tablet world for android. The actual os is pretty advanced and offers a lot of everyday users more and more with each update. I would like to see the number of android verses iOS users in the phone world. As android continues to build solid advancements in phones, so does the software and apple's big sales are mainly due to higher prices. I'm sure all around android vs apple, it would be a much closer number. Not to mention, we are only in update 2 in a tablet format, apple is in update 4. Can only imagine where update 4 for android will lead us.
And I do have more of a biased oppinion. I hate crapple. They became a sue happy company to block Samsung and HTC, that was a terrible move. Showing they really didn't have an answer to the consistant updates to what android phones do. We are having dozens and dozens of phones made based on android, dozens of tablets as well while apple hangs their hat on now 3 devices.
You'd think that if only having 3 devices, they would have the best of everything but they don't. As far as the kindle fire bd, while its a good device without question, there remains this single question.
Why have a kindle bd fire when you can have an android that can read and buy kindle books? They won't stand a chance in the future unless they change over to either iOS or android. Possibly windows 8 RT. There isn't anything on a kindle you can't do on the others yet there are many things you can't do. That in itself will sink their dreams.
The end of the day, the nexus series offers a great choice on tablets for a fraction of the price of apple. And a little bit more then the kindle but more customizable.
Last, where can you find this $499 iPad 4? The apple store is $629-$829. No where near the price of even the most expensive nexus 10.
Good convo tho. It's nice to see a fair approach to all three sides.
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