What are your thoughts? I know how hard the KF is to modify and it will lack support, but to the average user who will watch movies, surf the web, and play games...what differences will there be??
Things I know:
The KF has a smaller screen...
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- Movies will be clearer on the Nexus 10
- Surfing the web should be better on the Nexus 10 (more screen estate + higher resolution)
- Playing games should be better on the Nexus 10 (Android, better graphics chip (I think), more screen estate + higher resolutions)
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- Movies will be clearer on the Nexus 10...
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What makes you say that in particular? Due to the larger screen of the N10, I agree. However, the 1920x1200 resolution of the Fire HD 8.9 should play anything as clearly aside from the size; it can do 1080p without losing pixels.
I do worry that the extra pixels will be costly on the N10 - more computation, choppiness (especially in games), shorter battery life. I don't know the specifics, but I presume the N10 will have to scale to 1080p. The 16:10 analog to 1080p is 1920x1200, which means the N10 has 1/3 more pixels in each dimension. So some sort of transformation would have to be done to stretch the image. Since this isn't a simple whole number multiple, doesn't this require additional computation?
I expect it'd be similar to the rMBP. If you run at the default resolution. It basically draws a 1440x900 resolution at 2x in each dimension giving 2880x1800. If you choose to run at an effective resolution at 1920x1200, it computes a 3840x2400 image and scales it down if you're in HiDPI mode. People say it chugs in this mode.
I'm curious on how all this works and which apps/situations will result in performance costs... anyone have a good resource? It's not like this is a new problem; 720p has to be scaled to fit in 1080p screens.
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Yeah, resource would be first-hand experience. I watch movies and play games on my N10 and none of what you assume about choppiness and such exist. In fact, it's probably -the- best experience I've had with a handheld device. I stopped using my 17" laptop to watch movies and watch them on my N10 because of it's portability and ability to reproduce stunning results on a much smaller screen. It really does look that great when watching high-def movies [720p 1080p etc].
Why is it even a question that a smaller tablet with a lower resolution might be a better buy than the Nexus 10?
Nothing I've used in terms of tablets is on par with the screens and videos the N10 can produce. For those who do not have one, if you get a chance to play with one at a retail store soon. Please do and compare it to other tablets there. You'll see that it is incredibly obvious when it comes to media that the N10 is better. At least in my own opinion.
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- Movies will be clearer on the Nexus 10
- Surfing the web should be better on the Nexus 10 (more screen estate + higher resolution)
- Playing games should be better on the Nexus 10 (Android, better graphics chip (I think), more screen estate + higher resolutions)
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Video playback, in most common scenarios, should be better in fire's screen, due to pixel extrapolation (at least with usual formats, like 1080p).
N10 should outperform fire. In battery, we should wait for tests, but i'm not that much confident about N10 beating kindle fire.
Lot of good feedback so far. I know this is probably a little tough since there's no way for a hands on comparison yet. As far as outperforming goes the KF is supposed to have a pretty nice processor right?
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Don't forget Miracast support in the future for the Nexus 10, Android updates, and access to the Play Store. The KF is a forked ICS build will never get JB. You get a whole lot more for hte extra $100. Really a no brainer unless you absolutely can't afford the extra $100 but then you should not have even posted this question.
OK, so it's not QUITE the Nexus 10 vs Kindle Fire HD+ benchmark that we'll see posted eventually, but here's what I was able to extrapolate:
The Kindle Fire HD is using an OMAP 4470, which isn't a bad piece of silicon but looks to be hedged out in just about all areas by the Exynos 5250, at least from these two benchmarks that I'm using to compare:
OMAP 4470 in an Archos 101 XS
Nexus 10 & 4 Performance Preview
It seems that the Exynos 5250 is capable of pushing the fun resolution we're enjoying, but it pays a price in some of the benchmarks.Still good numbers, but not iPad topping.
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Don't forget Miracast support in the future for the Nexus 10, Android updates, and access to the Play Store. The KF is a forked ICS build will never get JB. You get a whole lot more for hte extra $100. Really a no brainer unless you absolutely can't afford the extra $100 but then you should not have even posted this question.
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Don't worry I can afford it. I should have mentioned though I'm comparing 32gb so the price difference is a bit more than $100 but money is not a factor. I just saw a quadrant score for the KF 8.9 of 27xx and laughed but if they perform the same it won't matter I guess. Never getting JB sounds like it'll never get any update unless it's for the KF os is that right
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I forgot what the specs on the Fire HD was but I do know that it was one ugly mofo if that matters to you. I was going to get it and root it for the specs until the Nexus 10 was announced.
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What are your thoughts? I know how hard the KF is to modify and it will lack support, but to the average user who will watch movies, surf the web, and play games...what differences will there be??
Things I know:
The KF has a smaller screen...
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My wife has a KF HD (7"), and I just got the Nexus 10. The KF HD is definitely good for the casual user, but the Nexus 10 is considerably better for surfing the web, watching movies and gaming. Bone stock, the Antutu benchmark score was in the high 9000s (my stock GS3 normally scores in the low 6000s), if you care for that sort of thing. Let's not forget stock Android, with timely OS updates directly from Google!
By the way, nice avatar and signature banner! \m/
N10 is a beast and so its somewhat of a no brainier but honestly if you just want to mostly read ebooks and do some movie watching, the Kindle Fire HD will do the job. It will come with Kindle exclusive library from Amazon that will offer features free books and rentals only for kindle devices. Its form factor is also better in ways of smaller size and lighter in weight. The N10 won't be the Brest for long ebook readings due to its size and weight. The screen on the Kindle Fire HD has a good screen and you won't feel like you made a bad choice. Its a lot cheaper and more portable. I would just go with the Kindle Fire HD if your use for it is just casual stuff like ebook reading ans light movie watching.
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Don't forget the tattoo also
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I would actually prefer the Nook HD+'s form factor - I think 9" is just the right size, and the 4:3 aspect ratio is better for reading. Unfortunately it doesn't look like the Nook HD+ is getting much love on xda, so development will be hard to come by. I'll probably stick to the Nexus 10 in that case...
>What are your thoughts?
Depends on the buyer. KFHD 8.9 will be big with mainstream peeps simply for its $299 base price. I think it'll fare well against both iPad4 and iPad Mini this Q4. N10 is $499 at retail and will be a tough sell. Highest-res isn't enough.
For XDA peeps wanting CM love, KFHD is a disaster. Hashcode dude is apparently heading up the BL-bypass effort, and progress has been glacial. Peep at KFHD dev forum to see. At this pace, KFHD will get custom ROM at about same time as KF3 release. That's the problem. These things have 8-10 months' shelf life before being superceded by new toys.
My opinion is that N10 is best of 10" Androids to date, but compromises made to shoehorn in the high-res screen may be to large to swallow, starting with the $499 retail price ($399 is Play Store-only). Nexus and Android fans will be happy with N10; others, not so much. Still, for XDA'ers there's no comparison. N10 kills KFHD.
For XDA fans, an alternative to N10 would be Nook HD+ (9", 1920x1280 or 3:2 AR). Its bootloader is apparently unsigned, and custom ROMs should be more doable. It also has SD slot, and is $299 for 32GB (vs $369 for KFHD and $499 for N10). Negs include 2.4GHz-only wifi, proprietary port, and no HDMI without a clunky $40 adapter. Most would pooh-pooh B&N's wimpy eco as its main weakness, but for XDA peeps wanting custom ROM action, eco is irrelevant. At $269 base, it would be an awesome reader & web browser. Games, may be not so awesome.
Some prelim dev action is going on for HD+ in the Nook Color forum. Let's hope it picks up where NC left off. (Actually, NC is getting CM10 nightlies, so it still hasn't kicked the bucket just yet.)
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My opinion is that N10 is best of 10" Androids to date, but compromises made to shoehorn in the high-res screen may be to large to swallow, starting with the $499 retail price ($399 is Play Store-only).
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$399 is retail price (retail store or Play store) for the 16 GB Nexus 10.
$499 is retail price (retail store or Play store) for the 32 GB Nexus 10.
You are talking $299 vs. $399 (Kindle Fire 8.9 vs. Nexus 10....both 16 GB models) $384 vs. $499 if discussing the 32 GB models offered (without special offers on the KF).
>$399 is retail price (retail store or Play store) for the 16 GB Nexus 10.
>$499 is retail price (retail store or Play store) for the 32 GB Nexus 10.
B&M retailers are only selling N10 32GB SKU; 16GB SKU is Play Store only. Mainstream buyers don't buy expensive toys without a hands-on test, and the bulk of sales will be from B&M sources. Hence most will see only the $499 SKU, which has no price advantage against iPad. As 2011 has taught, Android tabs have neither the eco nor the build quality to go price parity with iPad. N10 isn't an exception.
It does get somewhat complicated. Walmart has dropped Amazon KFHDs from its stores because it views Amazon as competition (KFHDs are still carried by other B&Ms). Showrooming also factors in, the practice Amazon popularized by urging users to window-shop at a B&M before looking for a cheaper price online.
Still, the bottom line is that for most buyers (at B&M), all they'll see is $499 N10 vs $499 iPad vs $299 KFHD 8.9. N10 is between a rock and a hard place. The price-sensitive will go for KFHD, and the "quality-first" will go for iPad.
I want N10 to succeed as much as anyone here, but that doesn't factor in my assessment of its retail performance. Likewise, I want Nook HD+ to do well--unsigned bootloader, yay!--but I expect B&N's abysmal eco will sink it at retail. Depending on how Microsoft manages its $300 mil investment in NookCo, I expect (as with many) that this will be the last of the Nook line for Android, with future models being Wooks.
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>$399 is retail price (retail store or Play store) for the 16 GB Nexus 10.
>$499 is retail price (retail store or Play store) for the 32 GB Nexus 10.
B&M retailers are only selling N10 32GB SKU; 16GB SKU is Play Store only. Mainstream buyers don't buy expensive toys without a hands-on test, and the bulk of sales will be from B&M sources. Hence most will see only the $499 SKU, which has no price advantage against iPad. As 2011 has taught, Android tabs have neither the eco nor the build quality to go price parity with iPad. N10 isn't an exception.
It does get somewhat complicated. Walmart has dropped Amazon KFHDs from its stores because it views Amazon as competition (KFHDs are still carried by other B&Ms). Showrooming also factors in, the practice Amazon popularized by urging users to window-shop at a B&M before looking for a cheaper price online.
Still, the bottom line is that for most buyers (at B&M), all they'll see is $499 N10 vs $499 iPad vs $299 KFHD 8.9. N10 is between a rock and a hard place. The price-sensitive will go for KFHD, and the "quality-first" will go for iPad.
I want N10 to succeed as much as anyone here, but that doesn't factor in my assessment of its retail performance. Likewise, I want Nook HD+ to do well--unsigned bootloader, yay!--but I expect B&N's abysmal eco will sink it at retail. Depending on how Microsoft manages its $300 mil investment in NookCo, I expect (as with many) that this will be the last of the Nook line for Android, with future models being Wooks.
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I don't get why you say android tabs don't have the eco nor build quality as the iPad. Last I checked, not only does this screen smash the newest iPad in both resolution, but as well in PPI, lets talk about the the better processor, the better memory, the better gpu, and over all performance. Hands down ipad has lots of catch up to do. Then the build quality you say. There is no comparison in my opinion. This tablet not only feels much better when holding, but it looks butter. The front facing speakers, to the HDMI out, miniusd verses the proprietary plugs apple uses serves most users better. Now let's talk about the Eco. The ecosystem is better in android as well. Why you ask? Well simple. Its open source. We have cyanogenmod, evervolv, aokp, para, classicnerd, then just a slew of developers already modifying source code to make everything better and more customizable then any apple product created.
For goodness sakes, look at the HP touchpad, android ICS is running as good on that device as if android came stock, guess what, a worldwide community of developers have come together to make a $149 tablet worth every penny of $300+. Imagine what this tablet will become when pogo cables come to light, docking stations, and more. The hardware inside this device is capable of USB 3.0 which will open advancements for a continued growth to this device for years to come.
So let's reflect on this some. Hands down, without hesitation this device will be prevalent for years to come. The kfhd will lose because you can't even get a bl on it, the apple iPad will be on version 5-6 before it will come close to having what this does. So,you will be able to buy this device for $399 at any big box store soon enough which will give people another reason to jump on this train. Who wants to spend $699 for an ipud or $299 for a kfhd when this will do everything and more for way less then apple will ever sell for. No brainer.....
Don't mean to sound defensive, just hate it when people say ipads have better build quality. Its not even a comparison.
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People can have different opinions about what's "better." There is no wrong or right. What matters isn't what you or I think, but how many others think the same way as either of us.
Yours is the prototypical XDA view, and I empathize with it. But XDA isn't representative of the buying public, which is what mine above conveys.
There is a simple way to resolve the difference: Wait for a few months and see how well N10 fares against KFHD and iPad for Q4. There'll be data enough from the blogosphere.
I think N10 is a good first step for Android tablet eco, but Goog will need additional steps. I see it as an iterative process.
I can agree it will be up to sales. I don't necessarily agree with the blogoshpere. There are a lot of opinionated ones basing their judgement on a nexus 10 that didn't have the final system on it.
On a pure hardware and design standpoint, they hit a grandslam in the bottom of the 9th in game 7. There really is no comparison on the hardware to either of the other devices. That pure fact.
As far as the ecosystem, it will take some time for app developers to get on board with the tablet world for android. The actual os is pretty advanced and offers a lot of everyday users more and more with each update. I would like to see the number of android verses iOS users in the phone world. As android continues to build solid advancements in phones, so does the software and apple's big sales are mainly due to higher prices. I'm sure all around android vs apple, it would be a much closer number. Not to mention, we are only in update 2 in a tablet format, apple is in update 4. Can only imagine where update 4 for android will lead us.
And I do have more of a biased oppinion. I hate crapple. They became a sue happy company to block Samsung and HTC, that was a terrible move. Showing they really didn't have an answer to the consistant updates to what android phones do. We are having dozens and dozens of phones made based on android, dozens of tablets as well while apple hangs their hat on now 3 devices.
You'd think that if only having 3 devices, they would have the best of everything but they don't. As far as the kindle fire bd, while its a good device without question, there remains this single question.
Why have a kindle bd fire when you can have an android that can read and buy kindle books? They won't stand a chance in the future unless they change over to either iOS or android. Possibly windows 8 RT. There isn't anything on a kindle you can't do on the others yet there are many things you can't do. That in itself will sink their dreams.
The end of the day, the nexus series offers a great choice on tablets for a fraction of the price of apple. And a little bit more then the kindle but more customizable.
Last, where can you find this $499 iPad 4? The apple store is $629-$829. No where near the price of even the most expensive nexus 10.
Good convo tho. It's nice to see a fair approach to all three sides.
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Ahhh man, **** just got real interesting... just dont know if I can wait till March... if that's even when its supposed to come out... been waiting since last August for the prime... choices choices
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I would be surprised if it came out before Q3/4, they are saying A700 is a tech demo and not consumer product.
That plastic back looks mighty tempting :O
engadget says the a700 isn't even coming out as a production device? argument is kinda moot then.
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OK, this Acer tab looks decent but tech demo. won't be released till much later in the year.
another upcoming tablet people mentioned waiting on was something from Lenovo. Well I found an article on it and this has no chance of beating the Prime out. This for Barry n others..lmao
The display is inferior
Power/Processor is inferior
the front and back cam inferior
its keyboard dock looks inferior to Prime
from what they stating on battery life, that's also inferior to Prime
Also there is no 2GB of Ram. its only gonna be 1 . lmfao
so all in all looks inferior all around the board, although a decent lower end tablet. Prime users on the High End
I seriously hope this isn't the so called Lenovo tablet I've been hearing so much about that's reason to pass Prime up. Cuz if it is, its been seriously dumbed down in specs from what people been barking. Its gonna have same resolution as prime but lower quality or not as good.
here is a link to the failed Lenovo tablet and it's a very recent article. not some hype article from months ago just speculating on specs. This is more accurate/recent
http://landofdroid.com/2012/lenovo-announce-ideatab-s2-10-inch-tablet-plus-keyboard-combo/
Also, the new Toshiba tablet is inferior also tl Prime..lol. can't believe this tabs are what people was saying are better than prime with higher resolution screens. they all have inferior specs and displays. not sure about that Acer though but I will find out.
www.landofdroid.com/2012/toshiba-introduce-excite-x10-1-2ghz-dual-core-tablet/
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I would be surprised if it came out before Q3/4, they are saying A700 is a tech demo and not consumer product.
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I will have to thank E.mote on this thread. In one thread, the 3 most talked about tablets to pass up Prime for has been killed in one thread. The Acer700 isn't even coming out for consumers. The Lenovo tablet had its specs seriously dumbed down and is not having super high resolution screen, has only 1Gb of ram, and an inferior dual core Processor. Same with the new Toshiba tablet coming out. Dumbed down specs and basically inferior all around the board. the later 2 will have same resolution but lower quality being only IPS. Prime has Super IPS+.
That only leaves the Ipad3 left. I'm sure that will be the most interesting out of mentioned tablets that are upcoming. Looks like Prime might be king of Android tablets for majority of 2012 if not the whole year. lol.
Acer said "1st half" for A700, which most took to be Q2. My guess would be May/June, allowing for ramp-up of screen yields. Tegra 2 tabs (excl Xoom) came out in April last year. More interesting would be the price. I'm expecting $500, especially if iPad 3 comes out with QXGA res at same price.
Would have been nice for Sasha bud to comment on screen quality. Guess we'll get that soon enough as CES rolls along.
Would like to see Lenovo LePad in on the dust-up, which also sports fullHD & Teg3. The LePad will be priced higher, since it's for biz segment. Should've called it the ThinkTab. Engadget has a brief hands-on of the LePad. I'd expect this for 2nd half.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/08/lenovo-lepad-k2010-ideatab-k2-hands-on/
Agree about the Tosh Excite. OMAP4 is 2011 stuff, and price isn't competitive.
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Acer said "1st half" for A700, which most took to be Q2. My guess would be May/June, allowing for ramp-up of screen yields. Tegra 2 tabs (excl Xoom) came out in April last year. More interesting would be the price. I'm expecting $500, especially if iPad 3 comes out with QXGA res at same price.
Would have been nice for Sasha bud to comment on screen quality. Guess we'll get that soon enough as CES rolls along.
Would like to see Lenovo LePad in on the dust-up, which also sports fullHD & Teg3. The LePad will be priced higher, since it's for biz segment. Should've called it the ThinkTab. Engadget has a brief hands-on of the LePad. I'd expect this for 2nd half.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/08/lenovo-lepad-k2010-ideatab-k2-hands-on/
Edit 3: Oops x 3. I'm getting confoozed with names. The LePad youtube vid previously linked is the Win hybrid and not the fullHD Android model.
Agree about the Tosh Excite. OMAP4 is 2011 stuff, and price isn't competitive.
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now this Lenovo one looks decent. Might follow the same fate as prime regarding GPS since back is metal also. He said metallic feel so material of backplate still needs confirming. its said to run tegra3 and higher resolution. if you read further down article into the comments, you will see alot of worries n doubt on it. Main one being that the higher resolution will eat up alot more processing power of tegra3, even of clocked slightly higher. That will make it less powerful on performance. That's why I think Prime n Tegra3 hit the sweet spot when it comes to great processing power and an excellent HD display also. Also they said this is aimed more for the business market. with that display, if specs hold to be true, it will make this device considerably more expensive than the Prime. most people I've seen here posted $500 being the Max they would pay for a tablet, regardless of specs. IF Lenovo could bring this tablet at same range as prime it would be a miracle but I doubt it though.
Something else I noticed, this tablet is thick like the original Toshiba Thrive. Definitely not slim like the Prime. If they going to make it thick like that might as well of added a full size USB port. But it doesn't have it. only looks to have full size SD card slot. That UI looked horrible also as it wasn't optimized yet. The guy also said release date hasn't even been "Officially" said or thought of yet. it will release in China first then internationally. So expect this around May/June earliest for China release. then a month or 2 later for international release. Looks like a very long wait. by then something better will be out or right around the corner..lol
>Might follow the same fate as prime regarding GPS since back is metal also
From the (newly linked) vid, it's faux metal. Regardless, since it's for business, wireless performance will be reliable. Part of the higher cost.
Edit: The guy before the rep says that K2 will be for "$399 for 16GB version, available in Q2." Pretty sure that ain't true.
>if you read further down article into the comments
I don't pay much attention to Youtube comments as a rule. Whatever said at this point is merely speculation. We'll see when it (and the Acer) comes out. Since the Prime can do 1080p via HDMI no problem, I expect same perf for screen res. If UI lags persist with ICS, then it's an OS problem.
>this tablet is thick like the original Toshiba Thrive
Yes, the Prime's thinness and metal back are strong appeals. I wouldn't say K2 is as fat as the Thrive--which is pretty dang fat--but more like the OG TF or Acer A500. However, for business segment, durability counts more than style.
>Will either of those snap into a keyboard dock with a battery and extra ports?
For Android tabs, I think Asus will have exclusive bragging rights on this. Aside from Asus, I don't see much enthusiasm from vendors for Android tabs. For Win8 tabs, I expect many--if not most--setups to be hybrid w/ detachable screen.
Thanks I will keep my prime!
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Will either of those snap into a keyboard dock with a battery and extra ports?
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Will either of those snap into a keyboard dock with a battery and extra ports?
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the ideapsd s2 I linked does but its specs are not up to Prime Standards. Hold up, it makes no mention of its dock having a battery included so I guess its a fail.
Wait until you guys see the tablet that Razor is introducing at CES alongside their overpriced laptop. I am here at MGM in Vegas gambling my ass off with some tech freaks. The guy who I was talking to at the Craps table asked me what I was here to see and I told him a few things. After I told him I was a gamer and a Android freak, he then said, "wait until you see the tablet that Razor is introducing." I told him I was getting the prime and he said to come back and tell him if I still wanted the prime after seeing the Razor. Bottom Line. Its probably going to cost a arm and a leg.
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I'm actually disappointed by Lenovo's quad core tablet. I won't even go into detail on why... Lenovo's dual core Krait tablet is good on CPU (won't know how well it does compared to tegra 3 til we see comparison benchmark) but Adreno GPU is horrendous. But overall, terrible showing by lenovo on tablet front...
Now, Acer's quad core is interesting. Except, it'll be on same 1.3ghz Tegra 3 (according to The Verge & Android Police.. although, i think it is speculation) with 1080p display and must likely, with 2 gig of ram. If it does get released in Q2, the price will most likely be at $500 (for 16g).. I doubt they'll go higher and compete with Apple and Samsung. I personally like the build quality (certainly an upgrade from the ugly Iconia A500).. but...
Is it worth the wait for 1080p resolution and 2 gig of Ram? Considering that android has dearth of dedicated tablet apps, the high resolution and ram will hardly be taken advantage of except GAMES and 1080p movies.
I'll wait and see what Samsung and Asus to offer...
Lenovo IdeaTab S2 10, 7, and 5-inchers
The IdeaPad S2 10 comes closest to the Asus Prime in configuration, with dock that houses an extra 10-hr batt (20-hr total). Would be interesting to see the 1.5GHz dual-core Snapdragon's bench numbers. Available Q2.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/08/lenovos-ideatab-s2-10-joins-the-tablet-transformation-gang-pa/
The 7 comes with HC.
One of the few 5" toys. Comes with GB, but that can be rectified.
Shocker !
The so called "competition" to the Prime won't blow it away in any regard, won't be cheaper and won't come out before god knows when.
Maybe getting the Prime isn't such a bad idea after all.
Wow Im digging that Acer. Assuming Acer will have more game support? Well as far as gameloft games anyway. I do hope it does come out to consumers. I also like that it has micro USB for charging rather than proprietary one. Will be using my prime till then.
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Wow Im digging that Acer. Assuming Acer will have more game support? Well as far as gameloft games anyway. I do hope it does come out to consumers. I also like that it has micro USB for charging rather than proprietary one. Will be using my prime till then.
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they aren't sure anymore if the USB can be used for charging.
personally, i'm not blown away by either of those tablets, is 1080p enticing? sure, but i'll take my cost effective, good dock having, in my hands now prime over something that may be out by the middle of this year.
being that toshiba wants to charge 500+ for the 16gb dual core a200, these tablets are going to be priced right out of the market.
I'm too sold on the keyboard dock to have considered either of these new devices. I'd like the 2GB DDR3 that appears to be an option on the Lenovo tablet, I admit... browser tabs are still unloaded more than I'd like on 1GB RAM. I don't value high-resolution screens above the keyboard dock, though; high-res screens are pretty, but the keyboard dock is transformative (no pun intended).
So apparently google's nexus tablet will be made by asus. Personally i think it will be the asus memo announced at CES.
Google and Asustek will unveil a 7-inch co-branded tablet PC as early as May, with the model targeting Amazon's Kindle Fire and to be priced at US$199-249, according to industry sources.
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http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20120308PD215.html
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So apparently google's nexus tablet will be made by asus. Personally i think it will be the asus memo announced at CES.
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20120308PD215.html
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I do hope it is the 370t. 7 inch plus T3 best of both worlds.
I'd buy one, just for the hell of it, at $199. Hopefully Google will help subsidize this thing so they can hit that price point. A $199 ICS 7" Tegra 3 tablet with full Google services could be a killer. With the right promotions, it could compete nicely against an "iPad Mini."
Not that Android tablet makers (or Google, for that matter) have demonstrated an ability to effectively promote their products. But hey, there's always a first time!
Nothing's official yet. And as much as I like my TP, I seriously hope Asus won't be the one. None of their tablets has been perfect. So unless Google take over quality control, this could be a disaster.
Samsung is the way to go, but I guess after two hero phones, it's time to switch?
Itaintrite said:
Nothing's official yet. And as much as I like my TP, I seriously hope Asus won't be the one. None of their tablets has been perfect. So unless Google take over quality control, this could be a disaster.
Samsung is the way to go, but I guess after two hero phones, it's time to switch?
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I thought the transformer 1 was well received and one of the best android tablets you could get one it was out? Also, asus only has 2 tablets on the market.
And I dont think you could say any manufacturer has ever put out a tablet that has been perfect. A case could be made for the ipad with the lack of flash and its restrictions and what not. Its all based on preference.
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I'd buy one, just for the hell of it, at $199. Hopefully Google will help subsidize this thing so they can hit that price point. A $199 ICS 7" Tegra 3 tablet with full Google services could be a killer. With the right promotions, it could compete nicely against an "iPad Mini."
Not that Android tablet makers (or Google, for that matter) have demonstrated an ability to effectively promote their products. But hey, there's always a first time!
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I would buy one also if its that cheap. Best band for buck. No tablet maker would have something that cheaply princely with that much power. It should be a no brainstorm to choose that over a kindle fire or nook color. I can't believe I got so impatient, right before I got the prime, that I couldn't find OG transformer for the black Friday price that I almost considered getting an acer100 7in. Or a kindle fire..lol. so glad I didn't. I did have my eye on Toshiba thrive bit heard too many horror stories on its battery life. I loved the fact it had full size USB ports. Although it had tegra2, the display model in store seemed to have decent speed to it. But it wasn't priced cheap enough. Then I heard about Prime for only 100 more and way more powerful. There was no turning back once I had my mind set on Prime.
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I would buy one also if its that cheap. Best band for buck. No tablet maker would have something that cheaply princely with that much power. It should be a no brainstorm to choose that over a kindle fire or nook color. I can't believe I got so impatient, right before I got the prime, that I couldn't find OG transformer for the black Friday price that I almost considered getting an acer100 7in. Or a kindle fire..lol. so glad I didn't. I did have my eye on Toshiba thrive bit heard too many horror stories on its battery life. I loved the fact it had full size USB ports. Although it had tegra2, the display model in store seemed to have decent speed to it. But it wasn't priced cheap enough. Then I heard about Prime for only 100 more and way more powerful. There was no turning back once I had my mind set on Prime.
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Dont you hate word predict? lol.
I would buy it even at $250. As far as acer, I have an acer a100 now and its got leaked ICS, rooted, with buildprop changed to a500. Even has mod to make your micro SD as your internal. So you're not limited to 8gb or 16gb anymore. ICS made a huge difference. Smoother than prime in some cases like home screen and app drawer transition. Even stock browser is smoother. With the build.prop change I can see and play 90% of gameloft games. The only thing really sucks about it is when I HDMI out to TV it gets laggy due to only being dual core and ofcourse the battery life is only about 5 hours. I'll post a video in a bit so you can see how smooth it is.
But once the 370t comes out of course I have to get that to replace the a100.
Might take me a some time to record ICS but heres a video I made a while back when it was still on HC. So you can imagine how smoother it will be on ICS.
Everybody seems to forget that Google has bought Motorola mobility for a reason in addition to buying patents.
With Motorola, Google can build its own handset and its own tablet.
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Everybody seems to forget that Google has bought Motorola mobility for a reason in addition to buying patents.
With Motorola, Google can build its own handset and its own tablet.
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This is true but would show favoritism over other Android manufacturers. Causing them to pull out of Android scene. Which would hurt Google in the end. So its smart for Google to choose someone else to make new Google nexus device. It'll show they not favoring Motorola. Asus will likely be the creator of new Google Nexus tablet n it'll be powered by tegra3. With new reports now of Qualcomm S4 chips having manufacturing delays and setbacks, alot of new android devices that were going to use that chip will be delayed Now. Which leaves the door wide open for Tegra3 to continue being the top most powerful Android chip out there.
Will you be putting down your Prime for a Nexus 10?
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Haha... had to see this thread coming... I already did... just hanging around here to advise people till I get my Nexus 10.... gonna buy it the day it's available...
I am keeping my prime, I refuse to jump on this redundant display bandwagon. We've gotten by fine for over 10 years with 1200x800 and going higher just consumes more power, for what? 720p is more than acceptable on a 10 inch device. Last I checked, there aren't a surplus of 1600p videos, and even if there were I would prefer to watch them on something larger than 10 inches so I could actually see the difference over 720p. The only way to see the difference is to hold it inches away and that's not how people watch movies.
As far as text rendering goes, it's no excuse to sacrifice battery life, overall performance, and spend more money.
I wish OEMs would have let apple go down this silly path on their own. Not every decision apple makes is effective. I wish OEMs would have focused those efforts on more power, stability, and other features, instead of just pulling a page from apple's playbook and upping the displays on devices that already have wonderful displays. As it stands my transformer prime already has a nicer panel than the laptop I'm typing this on, and desktop displays could make much more use out of better displays than any 10 inch tablet can.
The purpose 1600p tablets serve is to satisfy consumer dickmeasuring. "OH YOUR TABLET ISN'T 1600P IT'S NOT AS NICE AS THE IPAD!"
There are more effective routes OEMs could have taken to actually advance their products that isn't putting in overkill displays.
Agreed to #3. Android narcissism in Tech Specs's war. Will it benefit consumers? Yes. Cut-throat competition. What I hope is that Google won't be killing off other OEMs in the near future just so to use them as springboards to fight Apple. If so, then Google's advocacy of Cloud Storage may mean expensive onboard storage of us all.
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Agreed to #3. Android narcissism in Tech Specs's war. Will it benefit consumers? Yes. Cut-throat competition. What I hope is that Google won't be killing off other OEMs in the near future just so to use them as springboards to fight Apple. If so, then Google's advocacy of Cloud Storage may mean expensive onboard storage of us all.
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Not unless it gets a make over, it looks hideous! Seriously, what the hell were they thinking?
I was holding tough to my Prime hoping a fix was coming and that once it got JB all would be well.Bought myself a Galaxy S III a few weeks back and the Wife a Nexus 7 and they both run circles around my Prime.Really,its an embarrassment for a $500 tab to run like sh!t compared to a $200 tab and a smartphone.Not only web browsing but even flipping through menus and navigating the device is snappier than my Prime.The second I can get my hand on the Nexus 10,I'm dumping the Prime.. :good:
My Prime's still running like crap even after Jellybean and countless factory resets and even restoring the stock image. Mine is already on eBay and I'll be buying the Nexus 10 on release day. I welcome nearly instant updates from Google.
Maybe the nexus 7... I like the prime but I left a sgt7 for it and its just not as portable... But to answer the question, no I won't go to the nexus 10.
16 gb or even 32gb isn't enough I have like 28gb of apps alone. Google is retarded
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im pretty sure that the nexus is much better than the prime (in some cases) but my questions is this, how will the speed differ in which the prime is quad core tegra 3 and the nexus is DUAL core with the new Cortex A-15 chip. For example apple used the cortex chips like the a-5 in their devices and the devices are pretty fluid so i wonder how this will put up and if it would be ridiculously lag-free faster....0.o
Nah for the time being ill stick with my prime I don't have any real issues. JB is fast and I can do everything I want on the tablet. I think even if I was able to get the Nexus 10 the time it would take for me to sell my prime and get up the rest of the cash if I couldnt sell it for 400, a newer nexus 10 will come out. So if anything ill save and wait. I have a sgs3 galaxy nexus and Tprime im good for another year or so on devices
No Nexus 10 for me but I just ordered a ipad mini. Found the 10 inch units too heavy while the display was too small on the 7 inch. But the mini was perfect in that regard. Lighter than any 7 inch but with screen massively bigger. And no more wasted space due to the on screen Android virtual buttons bar.
That was my plan until I saw the pics and specs. No microsd. $500 for only 32gb. No working for me. Just got to wait for anither tablet to come out. For those that dont think a higher resolution makes a difference. It does. I have the new ipad and the screen is beautiful. Makes reading and using it much easier on the eyes.
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when the nexus10 is released in the netherlands or available for normal prices abroad i will surely switch to the nexus10. samsung is the way to go! also waiting for a good keyboard case/addon for the nexus 10.
after 2 asus products, 6 rma's and still a laggy product im sick and tired of asus.... and sick and tired of nvidia trying to get world domination with their closed source tegra-only marketing tricks...
for the moment i can wait a bit, cm10 unofficial with bfq scheduler works pretty decent but still lockups due to slow storage. i hate lags!
Does the increase resolution on the Nexus 10 lend itself to better handwriting recognition?
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im pretty sure that the nexus is much better than the prime (in some cases) but my questions is this, how will the speed differ in which the prime is quad core tegra 3 and the nexus is DUAL core with the new Cortex A-15 chip. For example apple used the cortex chips like the a-5 in their devices and the devices are pretty fluid so i wonder how this will put up and if it would be ridiculously lag-free faster....0.o
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Apple devices are fluid because they don't properly multi task and don't have widgets and live wallpapers running on them, just a bunch of apps/folders cluttering up the screen. Clear your screens and only run one thing at once on Android and it might be as smooth but will it be any where near as fun?
I think the Nexus 10 has a rediculous resolution. I don't even have that on my pc with 24" monitor so why bother on a 10" tablet?
I reallly, really like my Prime so will be keeping it but I also have a 32GB Nexus 7 on the way for when I need something a little smaller and more portable.
I'm one of the lucky ones who has a nearly flawless Prime. Yea the WiFi could be better but I mainly just tether from my phone so it's not big issue. My TF201 of course has more mods on it than I could count (scripts mainly) and combined with a 1.8ghz OC it's faster than ever. The Nexus devices are great but honestly the look of the Nexus 10 doesn't please me even with the ridiculously high screen res.
N10 wins just on the fact that the software will be made by Google and will be snappy and responsive, not laggy and crappy. I just sold my Prime and will be getting an N10. Never again with Asus...never again.
Two things stop me from even thinking about it:
- no sd card slot
- no keyboard dock
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htcplussony said:
No Nexus 10 for me but I just ordered a ipad mini. Found the 10 inch units too heavy while the display was too small on the 7 inch. But the mini was perfect in that regard. Lighter than any 7 inch but with screen massively bigger. And no more wasted space due to the on screen Android virtual buttons bar.
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Seriously? An iPad mini? Basicly an iPad 2 shrunked to 8" for the price of one and a half Nexus 7?
Tough decision...
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im pretty sure that the nexus is much better than the prime (in some cases) but my questions is this, how will the speed differ in which the prime is quad core tegra 3 and the nexus is DUAL core with the new Cortex A-15 chip. For example apple used the cortex chips like the a-5 in their devices and the devices are pretty fluid so i wonder how this will put up and if it would be ridiculously lag-free faster....0.o
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The Exynos 5250 is much faster than Tegra 3. Also the Nexus 10 software comes straight from Google, so no lag and strange bugs. Yeah Prime is better looking but in my opinion usability is more important. Also Samsung devices dont have some cheap and slow internal memory.
As we know, Google has not released a new Nexus 10, well over a year after the original's release. The original's specs are still great, new tablets are not really surpassing it much if at all, so I don't think it's in dire need of an update, but it's still unusual to see that much time go by without an update for a product a company is still interested in.
Then in the code, we have two solid hints that Google no longer cares about the 10" form factor. The first obvious one is the Settings menu in KitKat, with two-pane UI removed. The second hint now comes with the official launch of the Google Now Launcher. We see that GNL only does 6 columns on Nexus 10, same as Nexus 7. Google could've easily bumped this to 8 like with the stock launcher, but didn't bother.
Then there are Nexus 8 rumors. To me 8" is still too small and is noticeably smaller than a 10" tablet. You need only look at the iPad Mini and full size iPad to validate this opinion. However, Google might use that device as further justification to not bother with a 10" device, since 8" is "close enough" and a single tablet could garner more sales.
This seems like a poor decision to me though. As I said, Apple thinks there is good reason to have both 8" and 10" devices in play, and the market agrees with them. 10" tablets are THE next "PC" for average users. They do most things people could want, on a comfortably sized screen, especially when paired with a keyboard. The fact that iPad Airs are flying off shelves and increasingly used in enterprise proves this. If we are really "post-PC" and the iPad's dominance is going unchecked, why would Google give up on this size/form factor? Why not continually update the N10 and pair it with awesome keyboards and office apps to make it a real powerhouse? Samsung gets it and is doing exactly this - it seems Google is happy to let them handle it, despite its huge importance. What if Samsung takes it in a different direction that Google is unhappy with? They've been known to do this before.
Do you agree with this, or do think Google is still committed to the full size market, but just taking their time with an update? Keep in mind the software hints we have seen that indicate they are giving up.
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The original's specs are still great, new tablets are not really surpassing it much if at all, so I don't think it's in dire need of an update.
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The N10.1-14 and Tab|Pro 10.1 run circles around the N10 specs wise.
GPU
The Mali-T628 delivers high performance graphics, achieved by doubling the number of GPU cores, within each core and improving the compiler and pipeline efficiency. It delivers up to 10x the graphics performance of the Mali-400-MP GPU, as well as an increase in GPU Compute performance when compared with the Mali-T604 GPU.
The Mali-T604 GPU delivers up to 5x performance improvement over the Mali-400-MP graphics processor and is scalable up to four cores.
http://mobile.arm.com/products/multimedia/mali-graphics-hardware/mali-t628.php
CPU
Exynos 5420 provides four A15 cores plus the ability to transition to four A7 cores under low/moderate load vs. two A15 cores on Exynos 5250. The former's using a 28nm HKMG die while the latters using the much older 32nm process which is far less energy and heat efficient.
You can look at benchmarks and see that the N10's CPU and GPU are "acceptable" but certainly not contemporary compared to newer Exynos/Mali and S-80X/Adreno SoC's.
Size
Battery Life
The Samsung tablets get better battery life using a smaller and lighter battery. Primarily because of the RGBW display and more energy efficient SoC(s). With the extra white pixel there are still 274 red, green, and blue sub-pixels per inch which wouldn't be indistinguishable compared to the 299 PPI on the N10. The iPad Air has 264 PPI for reference.
TW obviously negates some of the performance benefit because of all the resources it consumes but if you added the same amount of crap to the N10 it's performance would be significantly below the Samsung tablets. Same thing in reverse if you slapped CM or an AOKP ROM on the Samsung tablets. The Xperia Tablet Z 2 is using a S-801 SoC and comes with 3GB of RAM which will actually surpass the performance of the Samsung tablets and even further outperform the N10.
So the N10's had its day in the sun but needs either to be replaced to remain contemporary or marked down considerably in price based on its performance position in the market place.
That's totally true. And we aren't even talking about Snapdragon 800 beast in the market. I like it a lot but it has become quite obsolete (as usuall in Tech market). I think new media contents wont be able to be played fluidly.
The screen ppi is about the best on any tablet and it's running the latest version of Android and apps run without lag so really no need to upgrade.
BarryH_GEG said:
The N10.1-14 and Tab|Pro 10.1 run circles around the N10 specs wise.
GPU
The Mali-T628 delivers high performance graphics, achieved by doubling the number of GPU cores, within each core and improving the compiler and pipeline efficiency. It delivers up to 10x the graphics performance of the Mali-400-MP GPU, as well as an increase in GPU Compute performance when compared with the Mali-T604 GPU.
The Mali-T604 GPU delivers up to 5x performance improvement over the Mali-400-MP graphics processor and is scalable up to four cores.
http://mobile.arm.com/products/multimedia/mali-graphics-hardware/mali-t628.php
CPU
Exynos 5420 provides four A15 cores plus the ability to transition to four A7 cores under low/moderate load vs. two A15 cores on Exynos 5250. The former's using a 28nm HKMG die while the latters using the much older 32nm process which is far less energy and heat efficient.
You can look at benchmarks and see that the N10's CPU and GPU are "acceptable" but certainly not contemporary compared to newer Exynos/Mali and S-80X/Adreno SoC's.
Size
Battery Life
The Samsung tablets get better battery life using a smaller and lighter battery. Primarily because of the RGBW display and more energy efficient SoC(s). With the extra white pixel there are still 274 red, green, and blue sub-pixels per inch which wouldn't be indistinguishable compared to the 299 PPI on the N10. The iPad Air has 264 PPI for reference.
TW obviously negates some of the performance benefit because of all the resources it consumes but if you added the same amount of crap to the N10 it's performance would be significantly below the Samsung tablets. Same thing in reverse if you slapped CM or an AOKP ROM on the Samsung tablets. The Xperia Tablet Z 2 is using a S-801 SoC and comes with 3GB of RAM which will actually surpass the performance of the Samsung tablets and even further outperform the N10.
So the N10's had its day in the sun but needs either to be replaced to remain contemporary or marked down considerably in price based on its performance position in the market place.
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Well its 16 months old now the N10 so what else do you expect. Still a good tablet in my book.
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Warren_Orange said:
Well its 16 months old now the N10 so what else do you expect. Still a good tablet in my book.
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I didn't say it wasn't a "good" tablet; especially for $250 for the 32GB version on eBay. But after 16 months the following statement isn't true. The most unique feature of the N10 was it being the only 2,560x1,600 Android tablet. The 10" Samsung tablets and Asus TF701 both have similar displays now in addition to improving upon every other h/w spec.
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New tablets are not really surpassing it much if at all.
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I think they will put out another. They're development devices so as long as we have ultra high resolution 10+inch tablets there should be a 10 incher from google
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Google provides updates to a device for 18 months, right? So what happens when the N10 hits 18 months, if they have no new N10 out by then?
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Google provides updates to a device for 18 months, right? So what happens when the N10 hits 18 months, if they have no new N10 out by then?
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10" Android tablets, especially high-end versions, have never sold well. At $400+ people (not necessarily XDA'rs) looking for larger format tablets buy iPads. People looking for cheap tablets buy Android (forked and official) which are typically $250 or below and 7-8". The Motorola Zoom was released three years ago in February, 2011. The fact we're still dealing with this speaks volumes about the attention developers pay to 10" tablets with their larger display area and landscape orientation.
Samsung and their zillion dollar marketing budget are making a huge push in the high-end larger format tablet space. And with balls of steel their pricing the 8.4 and 10.1 Pro/Note's at iPad prices and beyond. We'll see if that gets people interested in large Android tablets. If you look at the latest KitKat adoption rate it's below 2%. If you assume most Nexi that were able upgraded that means that of all the Android h/w out there less than 2% are Nexi. If you further assume the N4/5 and N7/N7-13 (both of which emphasize price as much as purity) are the lion's share that doesn't leave many other devices sold. Google may just be taking a pass on a new 10" tablet or letting Samsung prime the pump with their Pro/Note push before they jump back in. The world will survive without a new N10 since they didn't fall all over themselves to buy the first one.
Does not answer my question you've quoted. I'm asking about OTA updates for the current N10 if it hits 18 months and no new N10 is released. Sorry for not mentioning I'm asking regarding OTA updates.
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Does not answer my question you've quoted. I'm asking about OTA updates for the current N10 if it hits 18 months and no new N10 is released. Sorry for not mentioning I'm asking regarding OTA updates.
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I dont think that's any sort of guarantee. Considering how they had to disable features in 4.4.2, I wonder if 4.5 will even make it onto the N10 officially.
BarryH_GEG said:
10" Android tablets, especially high-end versions, have never sold well. At $400+ people (not necessarily XDA'rs) looking for larger format tablets buy iPads. People looking for cheap tablets buy Android (forked and official) which are typically $250 or below and 7-8". The Motorola Zoom was released three years ago in February, 2011. The fact we're still dealing with this speaks volumes about the attention developers pay to 10" tablets with their larger display area and landscape orientation.
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If anything that is MORE reason why Google should focus on this space. Just like they did with the Nexus 7 where they came out with a device that did the 7" form factor right, and it got attention. iPads are THE next "PC". In the future (even now) your average user will have a smartphone or maybe a tablet to use at home, and might not need a Windows/Mac PC at all. If Google doesn't get Android to a dominant position in this space like they've done with phones they will come to regret it. It ties into enterprise adoption, productivity (Google Docs and as an extension Chromebooks), you name it.
BarryH_GEG said:
The N10.1-14 and Tab|Pro 10.1 run circles around the N10 specs wise.
GPU
The Mali-T628 delivers high performance graphics, achieved by doubling the number of GPU cores, within each core and improving the compiler and pipeline efficiency. It delivers up to 10x the graphics performance of the Mali-400-MP GPU, as well as an increase in GPU Compute performance when compared with the Mali-T604 GPU.
The Mali-T604 GPU delivers up to 5x performance improvement over the Mali-400-MP graphics processor and is scalable up to four cores.
http://mobile.arm.com/products/multimedia/mali-graphics-hardware/mali-t628.php
CPU
Exynos 5420 provides four A15 cores plus the ability to transition to four A7 cores under low/moderate load vs. two A15 cores on Exynos 5250. The former's using a 28nm HKMG die while the latters using the much older 32nm process which is far less energy and heat efficient.
You can look at benchmarks and see that the N10's CPU and GPU are "acceptable" but certainly not contemporary compared to newer Exynos/Mali and S-80X/Adreno SoC's.
Size
http://www.flickr.com/photos/b-a-h/11237275726/
Battery Life
The Samsung tablets get better battery life using a smaller and lighter battery. Primarily because of the RGBW display and more energy efficient SoC(s). With the extra white pixel there are still 274 red, green, and blue sub-pixels per inch which wouldn't be indistinguishable compared to the 299 PPI on the N10. The iPad Air has 264 PPI for reference.
TW obviously negates some of the performance benefit because of all the resources it consumes but if you added the same amount of crap to the N10 it's performance would be significantly below the Samsung tablets. Same thing in reverse if you slapped CM or an AOKP ROM on the Samsung tablets. The Xperia Tablet Z 2 is using a S-801 SoC and comes with 3GB of RAM which will actually surpass the performance of the Samsung tablets and even further outperform the N10.
So the N10's had its day in the sun but needs either to be replaced to remain contemporary or marked down considerably in price based on its performance position in the market place.
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None of this refutes my points regarding Google giving up on this space despite all the reasons they should actually increase their efforts in it. And despite the spec bumps you quoted, the N10 is still a super capable and modern tablet. It could stand to be a bit faster (or maybe Android/Chrome just better optimized for Exynos), and better in-use battery life is always welcome, but that's about it. Just sitting there my N10 will only lose 1-2% over the course of a whole day idle.
I could never get used to the ten inch Android form factor. Too awkward to hold IMO either landscape or portrait. And the dimensions at that size just look odd when viewing the screen for anything but videos. Bought a N10 and returned it days later. That said the Samsung Note 8 is ergonomically excellent and great for viewing in portrait mode. Just needs higher resolution and it would have it all. But I like mine all the same. Still I need a large format tablet which is why I own the iPad Air. Tremendously light and has an excellent screen. They chopped the bezel size which makes it feel small but they didn't shrink the screen. This really is a killer pad just from a hardware technical perspective. On the other hand, don't like the iOS but what can you do. Android really needs to change the ten inch form factor.
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xdp said:
As we know, Google has not released a new Nexus 10, well over a year after the original's release. The original's specs are still great, new tablets are not really surpassing it much if at all, so I don't think it's in dire need of an update, but it's still unusual to see that much time go by without an update for a product a company is still interested in.
Then in the code, we have two solid hints that Google no longer cares about the 10" form factor. The first obvious one is the Settings menu in KitKat, with two-pane UI removed. The second hint now comes with the official launch of the Google Now Launcher. We see that GNL only does 6 columns on Nexus 10, same as Nexus 7. Google could've easily bumped this to 8 like with the stock launcher, but didn't bother.
Then there are Nexus 8 rumors. To me 8" is still too small and is noticeably smaller than a 10" tablet. You need only look at the iPad Mini and full size iPad to validate this opinion. However, Google might use that device as further justification to not bother with a 10" device, since 8" is "close enough" and a single tablet could garner more sales.
This seems like a poor decision to me though. As I said, Apple thinks there is good reason to have both 8" and 10" devices in play, and the market agrees with them. 10" tablets are THE next "PC" for average users. They do most things people could want, on a comfortably sized screen, especially when paired with a keyboard. The fact that iPad Airs are flying off shelves and increasingly used in enterprise proves this. If we are really "post-PC" and the iPad's dominance is going unchecked, why would Google give up on this size/form factor? Why not continually update the N10 and pair it with awesome keyboards and office apps to make it a real powerhouse? Samsung gets it and is doing exactly this - it seems Google is happy to let them handle it, despite its huge importance. What if Samsung takes it in a different direction that Google is unhappy with? They've been known to do this before.
Do you agree with this, or do think Google is still committed to the full size market, but just taking their time with an update? Keep in mind the software hints we have seen that indicate they are giving up.
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I agree with you in that I highly doubt there will ever be a 2nd gen Nexus 10. This is actually what pushed me to finally order my new N10 last week. I've always wanted one, but couldn't justify paying $500 for a 32GB when it first came out. I had an HP TouchPad at the time running CM that was able to hold me over for a while. Then, after buying my N5, the speed (or lack thereof) of the TouchPad was really starting to make itself evident. I lucked out and scored a 32GB N7 (2013) from Staples for $170 back in January, and it's a great tablet, but I was really missing the 10" screen. So last week, when I saw a deal (shout out to Slickdeals!) for a brand new 32GB N10 for $300, I had to jump on it. Yeah, it's over a year old, and it doesn't have the fastest specs compared to today's standards, but I didn't buy it run benchmarks on it. I don't even really play intense games either. My main uses are web-browsing, productivity apps and media consumption (mainly Blu-ray MKVs). And, obviously, since it's a Nexus, I can tinker to my heart's content.
One can easily say the Note 10.1 (2014) and Tab Pro 10.1 have better specs, but they both come running TouchWiz (which is a HUGE negative for me). Plus, I doubt development for either of these will ever come close to what the N10 has. My disdain for TouchWiz makes this decision even easier when looking at the prices of these tablets. With the 32GB Note 10.1 (2014) going for $550, and the 16GB Galaxy Tab Pro 10.1 (no 32GB option available) going for $450 (prices according to Amazon), I see a brand new 32GB N10 for $300 as nothing less than a no-brainer.
To wrap it up, even though Google may not be coming out with a new Nexus 10, I still feel comfortable buying one since the price is great, and I can see development continuing for this tablet for a good while. And worst-case scenario, if Google does come out with a new N10, I'll just sell my current one for an upgrade. If they don't, then I'll be glad I picked one up before it became unavailable.
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I could never get used to the ten inch Android form factor. Too awkward to hold IMO either landscape or portrait. And the dimensions at that size just look odd when viewing the screen for anything but videos. Bought a N10 and returned it days later. That said the Samsung Note 8 is ergonomically excellent and great for viewing in portrait mode. Just needs higher resolution and it would have it all. But I like mine all the same. Still I need a large format tablet which is why I own the iPad Air. Tremendously light and has an excellent screen. They chopped the bezel size which makes it feel small but they didn't shrink the screen. This really is a killer pad just from a hardware technical perspective. On the other hand, don't like the iOS but what can you do. Android really needs to change the ten inch form factor.
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Yep, iOS is a huge bore, but you're right that the iPad hardware can't be beat. I don't mind the Nexus 10 form factor, but I do think the 4:3 iPad is a little more manageable and Android should try out that aspect ratio, I don't know why they've always only done 16:9.
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I agree with you in that I highly doubt there will ever be a 2nd gen Nexus 10. This is actually what pushed me to finally order my new N10 last week. I've always wanted one, but couldn't justify paying $500 for a 32GB when it first came out. I had an HP TouchPad at the time running CM that was able to hold me over for a while. Then, after buying my N5, the speed (or lack thereof) of the TouchPad was really starting to make itself evident. I lucked out and scored a 32GB N7 (2013) from Staples for $170 back in January, and it's a great tablet, but I was really missing the 10" screen. So last week, when I saw a deal (shout out to Slickdeals!) for a brand new 32GB N10 for $300, I had to jump on it. Yeah, it's over a year old, and it doesn't have the fastest specs compared to today's standards, but I didn't buy it run benchmarks on it. I don't even really play intense games either. My main uses are web-browsing, productivity apps and media consumption (mainly Blu-ray MKVs). And, obviously, since it's a Nexus, I can tinker to my heart's content.
One can easily say the Note 10.1 (2014) and Tab Pro 10.1 have better specs, but they both come running TouchWiz (which is a HUGE negative for me). Plus, I doubt development for either of these will ever come close to what the N10 has. My disdain for TouchWiz makes this decision even easier when looking at the prices of these tablets. With the 32GB Note 10.1 (2014) going for $550, and the 16GB Galaxy Tab Pro 10.1 (no 32GB option available) going for $450 (prices according to Amazon), I see a brand new 32GB N10 for $300 as nothing less than a no-brainer.
To wrap it up, even though Google may not be coming out with a new Nexus 10, I still feel comfortable buying one since the price is great, and I can see development continuing for this tablet for a good while. And worst-case scenario, if Google does come out with a new N10, I'll just sell my current one for an upgrade. If they don't, then I'll be glad I picked one up before it became unavailable.
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Agree with all your points, the N10's specs have aged pretty well especially considering the speed at which Android moves. I bought mine at launch and it runs KitKat swiftly enough. I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't get any updates post KitKat but I'll just throw CM on it then. I agree Samsung's software is still a turn-off, if it wasn't for that (and the prices) the new Samsung tablets would be more of a consideration.
Either way, though, Google does use Nexus to push their own experience (especially with the Nexus 5), and for this reason and considering the importance of the full-size tablet market, I don't see how they can logically abandon it.
Google is notorious for dropping hardware and software that don't meet expected numbers.
As for people talking about hardware updates needed and how other tablets have the latest and greatest.
None of it really matters. The general consumer isn't going to notice a increase in performance from a nexus 10 to a figurative nexus 10v2.
It literally does not matter. What matters is the software that runs the tablet and the display it comes on. The end user will be more likely to upgrade their tablet for the best software implementation and UI over tech specs they don't understand. Samsung has got this down with all their spiffy software. They still have the best hardware but none of it is really mentioned because the target audience doesn't care. The tech specs are reserved for the geeks and power users.
From my perspective no amount of hardware updates will justify upgrading from the nexus 10 as it has one of the best display resolutions and the hardware to run it flawlessly. What is a bump up in ghz going to achieve for what I use my tablet for? Or an updated gpu for games I don't play?
I suppose it matters what you use your tablet for but my guess is the majority of users use it for Web browsing and watching videos in HD which the n10 does spectacularly. I don't game on mine but when I do I have no issues with it. I also find that the more complex a game is on a tablet, the less enjoyable it is. Games like angry birds is fun as it's intuitive of tablets. Anything FPS related and such is a pain. I have my extremely expensive desktop for those kinds of games.
So in conclusion my best theory is that Google did not meet their quota for the nexus 10, there isn't a high enough demand unlike their phone products, and unless they can find an actual reason to update their device, I. E. New android software that requires a certain hardware upgrades to use, they're going to be content with a device that companies are still competing with over a year later. The very fact that the nexus 10 still reigns at the top with new tablets being put into the market should say a lot about the thought that went into the n10.
If someone can explain in depth what another similar 10" tablet can do better than the nexus 10 because of hardware superiority I will retract my statement.
The only thing I can think of that would justify a new n10 is if it had native 3d vision support since it's an entertainment device. That's the only thing this device can't do that I can think of at the moment.
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Ditto...
Proud owner of the Nexus10
You couldnt have explained That any better
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Does not answer my question you've quoted. I'm asking about OTA updates for the current N10 if it hits 18 months and no new N10 is released. Sorry for not mentioning I'm asking regarding OTA updates.
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Still running my N10 I got when they first came out. As far as OTA updates go it's anyboy's guess if/and/or when an update for KitKat will come for the device. KitKat runs great on this device, even in it's stock form. Throw a custom on it and it's even better. I have compared mine to a couple of friend's newer tabs running stock KitKat. Runs just as good if not better in some cases even with it's "OLD" specs.
Just my opinion and input.
I'm still using my n10. I would love to upgrade, but there just isn't anything that makes me want to spend the money. The samsung tabs are laggy. The Asus tabs are buggy. The apple tabs are... apple.
Hey I was just wondering what everyone's opinions were on the Nexus 9. I need a tablet to use just for watching Youtube, browsing the web, reading in bed and streaming to my Chromecast often. I've heard quite a few complaints about the device and it's definitely not cheap so just wondering what people think of it? I'm also wondering if there's any other tablets around the corner I should wait for instead? Thanks!
That's a no from me. Despite my gut feel that the tablet has the potential to be the champ, it is virtually unusable for me without suffering considerable frustration. I also think it has been a flop sales wise and that this is one google regrets. Of all my nexus devices, this is the one which needed 5.1 the most and will be the last, by a fair margin, to get it. And who knows when that will be?
I've heard great things about the shield, that's where I would be looking.
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That's a no from me. Despite my gut feel that the tablet has the potential to be the champ, it is virtually unusable for me without suffering considerable frustration. I also think it has been a flop sales wise and that this is one google regrets. Of all my nexus devices, this is the one which needed 5.1 the most and will be the last, by a fair margin, to get it. And who knows when that will be?
I've heard great things about the shield, that's where I would be looking.
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Agree with this, even about the Nvidia Shield part. I've lost track of when the 2015 Shield is coming out, but that will be a good buy. Even my 2013 Wifi Nexus 7 performs better than the N9
I say yes
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That's a no from me. Despite my gut feel that the tablet has the potential to be the champ, it is virtually unusable for me without suffering considerable frustration. I also think it has been a flop sales wise and that this is one google regrets. Of all my nexus devices, this is the one which needed 5.1 the most and will be the last, by a fair margin, to get it. And who knows when that will be?
I've heard great things about the shield, that's where I would be looking.
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Agree with this 100%.
Wait until 5.1 drops for the N9 before making a decision. It will either make it the great tablet it has the potential to be, or confirm it as the lemon that it is now.
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It's hard to say, folks' experiences seem to vary so widely.
I've had mine since slightly after launch. I use it for remoting in to my work network, listening/playing music, browsing forums, web browsing, and light gaming. I don't experience the problems that some report here -- except, if I have multiple chrome tabs open or switch away from chrome and then go back, I do experience excessive web page reloading/refreshing. But no overheating, no lag, etc. Not sure if it is luck of draw in terms of hardware, app selection, or what.
I get about 7-8 hours battery life with mixed use. I am bone stock in terms of rom, kernel, etc. I haven't even rooted it.
I would say read through the "post here if you love your nexus 9" and "5.1 rolling out now?" threads in the N9 General subforum. You will get a good sense of the positive and negative viewpoints.
Bottom line for me is that I would buy it again if I had the choice to make again.
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I have already rooted my Nexus 9, but when it was on stock I didn't have any performance issues like with other people. It was very fast, faster than any Android device I've used up to now. After rooting I lowered the speed to 1.3GHz & it still flies in the games I use.
The 9 is much better for reading than my Kindle Fire thanks to the high resolution, which makes reading less of a chore. Also android now has PowerPoint & Word, making my N9 even more usable as a replacement for my ultrabook.
Overall, my only regret is choosing the 16GB over the 32GB because it only has 11GB free.
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My problem with the Shield tablet and why I was looking at the Nexus 9 was the size. To me the size of the N9 is big enough that it fills a void that my phone can't. The Shield seems awesome and I'd get it hands-down but it's screen size is small enough that it's not really a tablet in my eyes..it's like a huge phone if that makes sense?
There's not a major size difference. I have seen the HP Stream 8 in person & found that it's usable as a Windows device.
9 - 9 x 6.05 x .31
Shield - 8.8 x 5 x .36
Also the shield has some advantages like OpenGL 4.x, direct stylus, GRID, and no DCO issues.
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There is such an enormous gulf between those with good and bad experiences. When people tell me they love their nexus 9 I am left scratching my head. The thing is a dud for me, certainly I get better performance from my nexus 7s (2012 + 2013). I feel had that I paid so much for a device which seems solid when you pick it up but is a disaster when you use it. Whether you're in one camp or another, Google had paid it almost no attention in five months, that's ominous in my books. Buyer beware.
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There is such an enormous gulf between those with good and bad experiences. When people tell me they love their nexus 9 I am left scratching my head. The thing is a dud for me, certainly I get better performance from my nexus 7s (2012 + 2013). I feel had that I paid so much for a device which seems solid when you pick it up but is a disaster when you use it. Whether you're in one camp or another, Google had paid it almost no attention in five months, that's ominous in my books. Buyer beware.
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Ya I definitely will heed your advice. I feel like it was almost a testbench on how a 64bit architecture would work with Android.. I just don't even understand how it can be so expensive for the experience the vast majority of people are having. To me a tablet of that price should just work and be an excellent experience.
Its not perfect
Its not perfect but still new, Still has some bugs. I came from an Aus Transformer infinity t700,
nice screen, but with only 1 gig of ram, and slow tegra3. it was much larger than my nexus 9.
to me the nexus 9 is the best tablet I had in a really long time, it does have its issues, but hopefully they will be fixed soon with software updates.
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Its not perfect but still new, Still has some bugs. I came from an Aus Transformer infinity t700,
nice screen, but with only 1 gig of ram, and slow tegra3. it was much larger than my nexus 9.
to me the nexus 9 is the best tablet I had in a really long time, it does have its issues, but hopefully they will be fixed soon with software updates.
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My problem with this is a $530 32GB tablet shouldn't need a software update or have "some issues." My family has iPads and I used to have one years ago and have never seen a single issue with any of them.
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My problem with this is a $530 32GB tablet shouldn't need a software update or have "some issues." My family has iPads and I used to have one years ago and have never seen a single issue with any of them.
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iOS is better with memory management, is minimalistic, and is meant for a very strict set of specs. All of them use some form of the Legendary Power VR SGX with 1-3 CPU cores max. They have likely optimized the heck out of their devices compared to Android manufacturers.
You could put 8 cores in an android device @10Ghz & watch it barely scrape past Apple's latest offering(s). I don't care for Apple, but it's hard to ignore how well made OSX & iOS are.
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The Nexus 9 has been disappointing... It doesn't have a lot of features I'd ideally like to have: microSD, MHL/HDMI, and Miracast being the main examples. And battery life isn't great. I'd forgive those if it was really fast/responsive, and if we stayed on the bleeding-edge with Android updates. Neither of those is true. Also, while it's a good value for high-end tablet, it's not a great value like the Nexus 7 tablets were.
That being said, I think all the Android tablets right now have some fatal flaws. I'm not sure I would pick anything else over the Nexus 9. There's a fair bit to like about the Nexus 9- the screen and speakers being two examples. But if I didn't need a tablet, I'd probably hold off for now. Or, quite frankly, I'd probably more seriously consider shelling out the extra cash for a Surface Pro 3.
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That being said, I think all the Android tablets right now have some fatal flaws. I'm not sure I would pick anything else over the Nexus 9. There's a fair bit to like about the Nexus 9- the screen and speakers being two examples. But if I didn't need a tablet, I'd probably hold off for now. Or, quite frankly, I'd probably more seriously consider shelling out the extra cash for a Surface Pro 3.
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My Galaxy Tab S is a leaps and bounds above the Nexus 9 - I bought it after the N9, because I couldn't wait for Google to rectify the N9's short-comings.
Whilst the Tab S doesn't feel as premium as the N9, it is good, solid, hardware (exceptional screen) and a viable software build.
If Google can fix the N9, I suspect the Tab S will end up on Ebay as I much prefer the N9 keyboard over the Tab S's, but at the moment it is no contest.
I have a Surface Pro 3 too - it is a fantastic machine and has completely replaced my MacBook Pro. However, a tablet it is not IMO - it's a touch screen PC with a detachable keyboard.
It's just too big to serve as a tablet (YMMV).
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Dave
I've gone through a lot of Nexus 9s. The answer for me is "maybe". Newer sand models are like a completely different tablet. They run cooler. There is essentially no backlight bleed. The back plates are now glued on so no more bouncy center or creaking . I don't have any lag and performance is great. Destroys my other devices. I can't compare to the old white models I had from Amazon because i never kept one for long enough (bleed, horrible buttons, bouncy backplate, or some other issue). Chrome reloading is the only software issue i have. The only remaining hardware issue is that the buttons are just mediocre. They work fine, but they just don't reflect the price. I returned a couple sand models for this reason which is why I have a good idea of the quality of these newer sand tablets.
Unfortunately the Sand models from Google Store are overpriced, and ordering a cheaper white or black model from Amazon doesn't guarantee good quality. I was able to get a $50 Google Play gift card so I'm happy for the price.