Will you be putting down your Prime for a Nexus 10?
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Haha... had to see this thread coming... I already did... just hanging around here to advise people till I get my Nexus 10.... gonna buy it the day it's available...
I am keeping my prime, I refuse to jump on this redundant display bandwagon. We've gotten by fine for over 10 years with 1200x800 and going higher just consumes more power, for what? 720p is more than acceptable on a 10 inch device. Last I checked, there aren't a surplus of 1600p videos, and even if there were I would prefer to watch them on something larger than 10 inches so I could actually see the difference over 720p. The only way to see the difference is to hold it inches away and that's not how people watch movies.
As far as text rendering goes, it's no excuse to sacrifice battery life, overall performance, and spend more money.
I wish OEMs would have let apple go down this silly path on their own. Not every decision apple makes is effective. I wish OEMs would have focused those efforts on more power, stability, and other features, instead of just pulling a page from apple's playbook and upping the displays on devices that already have wonderful displays. As it stands my transformer prime already has a nicer panel than the laptop I'm typing this on, and desktop displays could make much more use out of better displays than any 10 inch tablet can.
The purpose 1600p tablets serve is to satisfy consumer dickmeasuring. "OH YOUR TABLET ISN'T 1600P IT'S NOT AS NICE AS THE IPAD!"
There are more effective routes OEMs could have taken to actually advance their products that isn't putting in overkill displays.
Agreed to #3. Android narcissism in Tech Specs's war. Will it benefit consumers? Yes. Cut-throat competition. What I hope is that Google won't be killing off other OEMs in the near future just so to use them as springboards to fight Apple. If so, then Google's advocacy of Cloud Storage may mean expensive onboard storage of us all.
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Agreed to #3. Android narcissism in Tech Specs's war. Will it benefit consumers? Yes. Cut-throat competition. What I hope is that Google won't be killing off other OEMs in the near future just so to use them as springboards to fight Apple. If so, then Google's advocacy of Cloud Storage may mean expensive onboard storage of us all.
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Not unless it gets a make over, it looks hideous! Seriously, what the hell were they thinking?
I was holding tough to my Prime hoping a fix was coming and that once it got JB all would be well.Bought myself a Galaxy S III a few weeks back and the Wife a Nexus 7 and they both run circles around my Prime.Really,its an embarrassment for a $500 tab to run like sh!t compared to a $200 tab and a smartphone.Not only web browsing but even flipping through menus and navigating the device is snappier than my Prime.The second I can get my hand on the Nexus 10,I'm dumping the Prime.. :good:
My Prime's still running like crap even after Jellybean and countless factory resets and even restoring the stock image. Mine is already on eBay and I'll be buying the Nexus 10 on release day. I welcome nearly instant updates from Google.
Maybe the nexus 7... I like the prime but I left a sgt7 for it and its just not as portable... But to answer the question, no I won't go to the nexus 10.
16 gb or even 32gb isn't enough I have like 28gb of apps alone. Google is retarded
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im pretty sure that the nexus is much better than the prime (in some cases) but my questions is this, how will the speed differ in which the prime is quad core tegra 3 and the nexus is DUAL core with the new Cortex A-15 chip. For example apple used the cortex chips like the a-5 in their devices and the devices are pretty fluid so i wonder how this will put up and if it would be ridiculously lag-free faster....0.o
Nah for the time being ill stick with my prime I don't have any real issues. JB is fast and I can do everything I want on the tablet. I think even if I was able to get the Nexus 10 the time it would take for me to sell my prime and get up the rest of the cash if I couldnt sell it for 400, a newer nexus 10 will come out. So if anything ill save and wait. I have a sgs3 galaxy nexus and Tprime im good for another year or so on devices
No Nexus 10 for me but I just ordered a ipad mini. Found the 10 inch units too heavy while the display was too small on the 7 inch. But the mini was perfect in that regard. Lighter than any 7 inch but with screen massively bigger. And no more wasted space due to the on screen Android virtual buttons bar.
That was my plan until I saw the pics and specs. No microsd. $500 for only 32gb. No working for me. Just got to wait for anither tablet to come out. For those that dont think a higher resolution makes a difference. It does. I have the new ipad and the screen is beautiful. Makes reading and using it much easier on the eyes.
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when the nexus10 is released in the netherlands or available for normal prices abroad i will surely switch to the nexus10. samsung is the way to go! also waiting for a good keyboard case/addon for the nexus 10.
after 2 asus products, 6 rma's and still a laggy product im sick and tired of asus.... and sick and tired of nvidia trying to get world domination with their closed source tegra-only marketing tricks...
for the moment i can wait a bit, cm10 unofficial with bfq scheduler works pretty decent but still lockups due to slow storage. i hate lags!
Does the increase resolution on the Nexus 10 lend itself to better handwriting recognition?
nabil alami said:
im pretty sure that the nexus is much better than the prime (in some cases) but my questions is this, how will the speed differ in which the prime is quad core tegra 3 and the nexus is DUAL core with the new Cortex A-15 chip. For example apple used the cortex chips like the a-5 in their devices and the devices are pretty fluid so i wonder how this will put up and if it would be ridiculously lag-free faster....0.o
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Apple devices are fluid because they don't properly multi task and don't have widgets and live wallpapers running on them, just a bunch of apps/folders cluttering up the screen. Clear your screens and only run one thing at once on Android and it might be as smooth but will it be any where near as fun?
I think the Nexus 10 has a rediculous resolution. I don't even have that on my pc with 24" monitor so why bother on a 10" tablet?
I reallly, really like my Prime so will be keeping it but I also have a 32GB Nexus 7 on the way for when I need something a little smaller and more portable.
I'm one of the lucky ones who has a nearly flawless Prime. Yea the WiFi could be better but I mainly just tether from my phone so it's not big issue. My TF201 of course has more mods on it than I could count (scripts mainly) and combined with a 1.8ghz OC it's faster than ever. The Nexus devices are great but honestly the look of the Nexus 10 doesn't please me even with the ridiculously high screen res.
N10 wins just on the fact that the software will be made by Google and will be snappy and responsive, not laggy and crappy. I just sold my Prime and will be getting an N10. Never again with Asus...never again.
Two things stop me from even thinking about it:
- no sd card slot
- no keyboard dock
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No Nexus 10 for me but I just ordered a ipad mini. Found the 10 inch units too heavy while the display was too small on the 7 inch. But the mini was perfect in that regard. Lighter than any 7 inch but with screen massively bigger. And no more wasted space due to the on screen Android virtual buttons bar.
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Seriously? An iPad mini? Basicly an iPad 2 shrunked to 8" for the price of one and a half Nexus 7?
Tough decision...
nabil alami said:
im pretty sure that the nexus is much better than the prime (in some cases) but my questions is this, how will the speed differ in which the prime is quad core tegra 3 and the nexus is DUAL core with the new Cortex A-15 chip. For example apple used the cortex chips like the a-5 in their devices and the devices are pretty fluid so i wonder how this will put up and if it would be ridiculously lag-free faster....0.o
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The Exynos 5250 is much faster than Tegra 3. Also the Nexus 10 software comes straight from Google, so no lag and strange bugs. Yeah Prime is better looking but in my opinion usability is more important. Also Samsung devices dont have some cheap and slow internal memory.
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It is difficult for Me to believe that a phone is outranking my beautiful TF201, according to anatutu.
Im a tad disappointed.
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They are different devices doing different things. Phones typically have a lot more going on with their internal processes than tablets, so I don't think that the SIII is going to be significantly faster in real-world use.
With that said, the TP has been out for about seven months now, and the SIII has only been out for a couple of weeks. The logical progression of things like this is that new top-end devices will always be faster than old top-end devices. The TP hasn't stopped being an excellent device that shines in its own right, but it will be considered an antique in a couple of years.
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Never followed up to say thanks for your opinion. I just wish Asus would put the effort into their hardware as apple does.
Anyway, I love my Prime but rarely use it anymore, now that I have my Galaxy s2, and an i3 Dell laptop to tether to my phone.
Besides my white s2 looks majestic compared to.....whatever they want to call that s3 design
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cragains said:
It is difficult for Me to believe that a phone is outranking my beautiful TF201, according to anatutu.
Im a tad disappointed.
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New devices are faster than older devices. This is nothing new.
Also, practically no apps really take full advantage of all of the processing power that the Prime has to offer. It isn't as if app hardware requirements are about to jump up to the point where they won't run on your Prime any longer so specs aren't really all that important anyway.
IMO the spec-race with regards to Android devices really needs to slow down. I am all for more powerful devices but since the software isn't exactly racing to keep up increasing the specs past a certain point just make hardware more expensive.
Companies would be better off focusing that money on stuff like better cameras, better screens, improved battery life, better build materials & processes and improving software development in order to really iron out all of their new software features and ensure a better over-all user experience.
almightywhacko said:
New devices are faster than older devices. This is nothing new.
Also, practically no apps really take full advantage of all of the processing power that the Prime has to offer. It isn't as if app hardware requirements are about to jump up to the point where they won't run on your Prime any longer so specs aren't really all that important anyway.
IMO the spec-race with regards to Android devices really needs to slow down. I am all for more powerful devices but since the software isn't exactly racing to keep up increasing the specs past a certain point just make hardware more expensive.
Companies would be better off focusing that money on stuff like better cameras, better screens, improved battery life, better build materials & processes and improving software development in order to really iron out all of their new software features and ensure a better over-all user experience.
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Word!
Also minor changes are made to the interface of Android. Companies should focus on making their devices more unique than powerful. I used to make fun of iphone owners by saying that the interface (which seems to be designed by a 5-year-old) has not changed since the first iphone. But now I guess the same can be said about android phones. If google is not willing to make bold changes, mobile makers should take the first steps and do it.
You are just bragging about "apps doesn't support quad core", "we cant see tegra power". Bull****. Tegra is full of crap. Android is full of crap really. U buy a 4 core tablet, no app supporting this amount of cores (and let's ****in face it - this tablet performs like **** with I/O problems). I mean wtf? Going with iPad next time!
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You are just bragging about "apps doesn't support quad core", "we cant see tegra power". Bull****. Tegra is full of crap. Android is full of crap really. U buy a 4 core tablet, no app supporting this amount of cores (and let's ****in face it - this tablet performs like **** with I/O problems). I mean wtf? Going with iPad next time!
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So... can I say that iOS is crap too because of fake multitasking, lack of homescreen, ripping off the notification centre, lack of customisability and only dual-core CPU? Similarly, can I also say the iPad is crap because it's overpriced, evolutionary rather than revolutionary jump from iPad 2 to iPad 3, only a 5MP camera, heavier than the Prime, thicker than the Prime, no 600nit display, no official keyboard dock, no storage expansion options and overpriced accessories?
Really? We have to revert back to another ipad vs. Transfner Prime thread? I thought these silly arguments were over with.
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I was going to write a long post about how the prime is over a doubling period old and its still one of the top contenders but i realized its useless.
Why complain that a device thats over 6 months old isnt the best on the market? Especially when it was overrated and still has lots of problems
Also consider samsung's reputation in making high end devices. Their quad core tablet will, i expect, out perform the prime or the 700 with ease, mind you without the fancy accessories.
Sometimes i wonder why i even bother...
Yeah, prime owners including myself have had some issues. Still I am, and always have been very satisfied with it. I sadly
fell on the "if I run 10 apps on my Prime it shuts down"-train and ran some tweaks. It's running "faster" now but I have no idea
why I did it as it was doing all I wanted in the first place!
Now to my point, norwegian site www.itavisen.no today released an article with pictures of a guys S3 actually "exploding"
shooting out white flames and melting. No kidding. The phone is on it's way to Samsung for testing. With a recall
possibility. As I said we've had our share, but this. And that's samsung, known for build quality. Lol
So no it's not only Asus.
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Ya as we constantly move towards faster, more powerfull, smaller, we are pushing limits and things will occasionally break down or not work as expected. Got a link to the S3 video?
The S3 in Canada is only dual core, kind of useless, why should i upgrade from my S2 which is clocked slightly slower and just has slightly less memory? Other than that my phone works awesome and after tweaking i dont have issues with anything.
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Ya as we constantly move towards faster, more powerfull, smaller, we are pushing limits and things will occasionally break down or not work as expected. Got a link to the S3 video?
The S3 in Canada is only dual core, kind of useless, why should i upgrade from my S2 which is clocked slightly slower and just has slightly less memory? Other than that my phone works awesome and after tweaking i dont have issues with anything.
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Here's a direct link to the forum with fotos http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056677034 . How they can claim it's a fault of the carmount and heater I don't know, must be very heat sensitive.
Looks like it fried near where the 3g/4g antennas are, perhaps a poor connection? Aparently samsung took the phone for testing, will be watching this topic closely since im interested in geting a SGS3 when the prices come down.
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The S3 in Canada is only dual core, kind of useless, why should i upgrade from my S2 which is clocked slightly slower and just has slightly less memory? Other than that my phone works awesome and after tweaking i dont have issues with anything.
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Snapdragon S2 and S3 use the Scorpion core, which takes some of the best features of both Cortex-A8 and Cortex-A9 ARM core designs and brings them into a single ARM core....
Snapdragon S4 uses the Krait core, which takes the best features of the Cortex-A9 and the Cortex-A15 ARM core designs with a much better manufacturing process to produce smaller chips that are far more power efficient and deliver amazing amounts of performance compared to its competitors (which are Cortex-A9 based). This is why dual-core Snapdragon S4 devices can go toe to toe with the quad-core Tegra 3 and Exynos 4 on the CPU front.
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This is a quote from http://www.tmonews.com/2012/05/editorial-why-a-snapdragon-s4-galaxy-s-iii-is-awesome/ . It kind of stings a little to see the dual core s4 beating my Prime in benchmarks with half the cores, but that is technology and I'm still happy with my prime.
As far as comparing the speed of the S2 to the S3, the S3 should be a very noticeable difference. A15 is much better than A9 AND Qualcomm has a license to develop their own ARM CPU cores. Also, the S2 will have half the RAM of the S3. I don't feel like that is "slightly less"
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They are different devices doing different things. Phones typically have a lot more going on with their internal processes than tablets, so I don't think that the SIII is going to be significantly faster in real-world use.
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Really? Tell me more about it, I'm using Transformer Prime and Galaxy S3 international version.
fordwolden said:
Yeah, prime owners including myself have had some issues. Still I am, and always have been very satisfied with it. I sadly
fell on the "if I run 10 apps on my Prime it shuts down"-train and ran some tweaks. It's running "faster" now but I have no idea
why I did it as it was doing all I wanted in the first place!
Now to my point, norwegian site www.itavisen.no today released an article with pictures of a guys S3 actually "exploding"
shooting out white flames and melting. No kidding. The phone is on it's way to Samsung for testing. With a recall
possibility. As I said we've had our share, but this. And that's samsung, known for build quality. Lol
So no it's not only Asus.
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9 million pre orders and only 1 case of malfunction? Pretty damn good build quality.
ASUS Transformer Prime, unsure amount of sales, redundant "note taking" screen digitizer, incompetent IO and a whole heap load of complaints regarding screen flicker and FC issue. Well, we have a winner here.
It doesn't matter what scores benchmarking apps like Antutu shows, my Prime scores a 13k while my S3 scores 11.9k. It's more to being able to do what it's suppose to do, not crashing and more Force Crashes or having Severe lag while transfering files within the system.
S3 didn't kill the TF201, ASUS just failed to deliver what TF201 is meant to be.
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9 million pre orders and only 1 case of malfunction? Pretty damn good build quality.
ASUS Transformer Prime, unsure amount of sales, redundant "note taking" screen digitizer, incompetent IO and a whole heap load of complaints regarding screen flicker and FC issue. Well, we have a winner here.
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My point was I'd rather be one of the 2 million people with I/O problems (which it seems _motley are doing some great things with in his new 3.0.6 kernel) than to be the one in 9 million that gets the device that shoots out white flames when I'm walking around with it in my jeanspocket at a downward 45 degree angle. Just saying.
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My point was I'd rather be one of the 2 million people with I/O problems (which it seems _motley are doing some great things with in his new 3.0.6 kernel) than to be the one in 9 million that gets the device that shoots out white flames when I'm walking around with it in my jeanspocket at a downward 45 degree angle. Just saying.
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I don't think I can really draw a comparison between these two at all. It's different then apples and oranges, it's like an avocado and a rump roast.
The exploding GS3 doesn't tell me much, it's an extreme case and I don't know what other variables are thrown in the mix. Regardless of benchmark scores, I'm very happy with my prime. Is the quality better than that of the ipad? No, not at all in my opinion. But I didn't buy it to compare to my ipad, I bought it to play with and I have A LOT of fun with it building and modding and tweaking.
So since many folks have gotten rid of the Prime, what tablet did you replace it with?
The obvious # 1 choice; Infinity.
- They fixed the gps, wifi, micro sd slot. But there is still audio lag with bluetooth. They didn't fix the slow i/o...still using the slowest possible flash memory. And Asus also didn't increase the battery capacity, with the increase in resolution and clock speed....battery life is too poor.
# 2: Acer Iconia A700.
- High resolution screen, low everything. Low clock speed, low brightness screen, laggy performance.
# 3: Huawei MediaPad 10 FHD
- Hi resolution screen, super fast Quad-core 1.5 GHz K3 cpu. Release date unknown.
# 4: Lenovo IdeaTap K2
- High resolution screen, tegra 3, shown at CES...release date unknown.
# 5: Galaxy Note 10.1
- Exynos 4 quad core cpu, faster than tegra performance. Actual stereo speakers, 2 gb ram, digitizer pen, same smoothness as on Galaxy 3 phone. But a lower resolution screen.
# 6: iPad 3:
- Great mix of hardware and software....but a boring OS.
# 7: MS Surface and Variants
-Upcoming Win 8 tablets, performance on these tablets seem great so far, no price yet.
So what tablet have replaced Prime with, or are waiting to buy?
Hmmm. I still have my prime and love it with wookie ICS. Had to downgrade from JB still not refined enough for me. Im really digging the note though. I have the AT&T note in tablet mode and think its the best phone ever haha. Might have to pass the prime along to my kid once that comes out.
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I got the infinity but only because bestbuy exchanged my prime
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cjsspape said:
Hmmm. I still have my prime and love it with wookie ICS. Had to downgrade from JB still not refined enough for me. Im really digging the note though. I have the AT&T note in tablet mode and think its the best phone ever haha. Might have to pass the prime along to my kid once that comes out.
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With a heavy heart, I went for the iPad 3. But I couldn't settle with it. I'm too much into the Google ecosystem and I much prefer Android as an OS. iOS is fine mostly, but the walled garden is too full of strangling ivy...
Off to Best Buy tomorrow to get the Infinity, and off to Apple to return my iPad.
Eagerly awaiting the Note 10.1 - have the Samsung Series 9 Slate (Windows)
I sketch and draw, so the wacom pen is pretty much a sell right there.
And it has a working GPS - with Glonass support.
And integrated CIR which makes it a remote control too.
I've long had a kind of dislike for Samsung because they have a mutual 'non-competition' agreement between Samsung USA and Samsung Canada, which would be ok - except that Samsung Canada brings in a teeeeeny subset of the products you guys in the US get.
On the other hand, recently they've been widening the range of products, and they just opened their first Samsung store in North America in Vancouver of all places. So, it would be hypocritical not to give Samsung a fair chance.
I rather like my Samsung Nexus phone - and I have a Samsung Series 9 Slate (the reference design for Windows 8) which is quite good as well... so I expect the Note 10.1 to be a solid device.
I'd really like to keep on with the Transformer line - but unfortunately, nothing Asus has done has made me feel they've earned my loyalty or even my trust. Time to move on.
I will try galaxy note first, if its not going to be good enough then I will get iPad, I know I hate iOS, but at least it WORKS really good.
I replaced it with iPad 3. Happy.
I guess we're still waiting for a good android tablet. I like the dock - maybe with the MS devices coming out, we'll see a few more of these come along (it's not the same, but it seems MS is pushing that type of form factor more).
Nexus 7.
Got the Nexus 7 till I see a worthy 10 in tablet. Nexus 10 would be fantastic.
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Nexus 7, if you are comfortable with the form factor this N7 performance is far away from the prime.
I'm skeptical that the N7's performance improvement isn't largely software related. I would expect ASUS to leverage a significant amount of the transformer's design/components for yet another tablet rather than designing one from the ground up. I can't imagine them using blazing fast memory for example.
I went with the iPad 2. I'm hearing bad things about the iPad 3. Most people that has one wish they had kept their iPad 2. I liked my prime but it wasn't for ready for the prime time.
After exchanging my prime for the Verizon iPad 4G LTE I couldn't be happier. Although I love android, I prefer iOS on a tablet. However I'll never get an iPhone. Galaxy nexus ftw
Glad I cancelled my Prime pre-order after Asus took out the GPS from the spec. Now I have the Infinity which is faster, higher res and working GPS/Wifi. To those who upgraded for free from Best Buy, congrats and enjoy your new toy.
Got myself the infinity and i absolutely love it. Definitely what the prime would have been in regards to software
I replaced my Prime with the Infinity even though I did not have the many issues with the Prime that others had. But since Best Buy was willing to do the exchange, I went for it. The Infinity is really nice, but awaiting the Microsoft Surface and the new Samsung Note Tab.
There is very little to do with the infinity. Not many roms, didnt unlock mine yet because not sure i want to keep it. If you watch a movie (before the battery dies) the screen is nice but overall not that impressed, my prime with all the problems had jellybean and was working good, now , i feel we are back at square one, at least for the time being as not much is being devloped.. The battery is not great, 5-6 with a very low screen and not doing very much. I think we were all spoiled with the prime.. lol.
For tablets not much else out there right now
Got an Infinity and am using my original keyboard dock. Love it. If there is a IPS+ display version of the Nexus 7 released I will be very tempted to get one to supplement the TF700T.
Gonna be a windows 8 tablet for me, just missing the full experience of windows on the tablet... Excellent for surfing the web, listening some music and watching youtube but that's about it for me.
Also noticed I hardly ever used the prime without the dock anymore so bought a netbook (Samsung 305U1A) for now. A bit bigger then the prime (and damn, I do miss the touch screen hehe) but have hardly touched the prime since.
Can't wait for a nice windows 8 tablet/netbook combo (removable keyboar dock, just because). Just hope the price will be doable.
I was ready to pull the trigger on the N10, but I've been reading some horrible reviews about battery life and charging and random reboots. I'm now reconsidering the TF700.
My thought is that the reboots I've read about can be fixed by just getting on a custom ROM, which I'm sure the review writers were not on. But the seemingly low quality of the build makes me nervous.
So I guess the question now is: N10 or TF700? Or maybe something else?
I had a tf700 and I put it up for sale two seconds after I turned on the Nexus 10. the Nexus 10 is hands down the best 10in android tablet!
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I was ready to pull the trigger on the N10, but I've been reading some horrible reviews about battery life and charging and random reboots. I'm now reconsidering the TF700.
My thought is that the reboots I've read about can be fixed by just getting on a custom ROM, which I'm sure the review writers were not on. But the seemingly low quality of the build makes me nervous.
So I guess the question now is: N10 or TF700? Or maybe something else?
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Need more information. What are you primarily using it for? Both can do everything, but each does a few things slightly better/different.
Here's an older thread full of ex-TF700 owners sharing their experiences compared to the N10. Rather than repeat, I'll just drop a link...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2066330
Since my post in that thread was made before I owned my Nexus 10, I'll add that the N10 feels much more solid compared to the Transformer in spite of the flex, the rubber just feels like it could handle whatever life throws at it better than the metal of the transformer. CM10.1 does indeed fix the reboots. The battery life seems slightly better to me than the Infinity without the dock.
IMO the only plus the TF700 has are its SD card slot and dock.
Sold my TF300T the moment the nexus 10 was released and haven't regretted it for a second.
Find the nexus 10 community (growing by the day thanks to Google getting better with stock), the look and feel a lot better. Add AOSP and it wins hands down.
Was a little concerned about not having micro sd support but after having the device for a couple months don't even notice.
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I was ready to pull the trigger on the N10, but I've been reading some horrible reviews about battery life and charging and random reboots. I'm now reconsidering the TF700.
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The N10 is still very new and some of the non-h/w related issues should be resolved over time. As for the TF700 you'd be trading one set of issues for another. There are ample threads here, on the Note 10.1, and TF700 forums talking about the TF700 in comparison. You owe it to yourself to read them before making a decision. Since neither device is "perfect" the choice comes down to one using the latest tech at the beginning of its life or year-old tech at the end of its life. The former is much more likely to get ongoing support; especially since it's a Nexus device.
I have a TF300t running clean Rom inheritance and it runs great. Even the stock Rom with the newest update runs great. Plus you can get a 32gb unit for $330 no shipping, no tax and save some coin. Add a 64gb micro sd and have 96gb storage for under $400. Very easy to root or unlock too!
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I have a TF300t running clean Rom inheritance and it runs great. Even the stock Rom with the newest update runs great. Plus you can get a 32gb unit for $330 no shipping, no tax and save some coin. Add a 64gb micro sd and have 96gb storage for under $400. Very easy to root or unlock too!
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And you voided your warranty, are using what little RAM of the 1GB available is left to cache your browser data, and still don't have 5GHz Wi-Fi support, channel bonding, Glonass for location services, or a FHD display. And by the time you add the cost of SquareTrade to replace the voided warranty and the cost of the SD card to bypass Asus' crappy NAND it cost the same or more as a N10. To each their own.
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I have a TF300t running clean Rom inheritance and it runs great. Even the stock Rom with the newest update runs great. Plus you can get a 32gb unit for $330 no shipping, no tax and save some coin. Add a 64gb micro sd and have 96gb storage for under $400. Very easy to root or unlock too!
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I had a TF300T for a while and I liked it but I would pay the additional money and get the N10, best tablet I have ever used. We use tablets at work so I have used an iPad 2, iPad 3, Galaxy Tab 10.1, Asus TF300T, Nexus 7 at work and the Nexus 10 I bought personally.
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I was ready to pull the trigger on the N10, but I've been reading some horrible reviews about battery life and charging and random reboots. I'm now reconsidering the TF700.
My thought is that the reboots I've read about can be fixed by just getting on a custom ROM, which I'm sure the review writers were not on. But the seemingly low quality of the build makes me nervous.
So I guess the question now is: N10 or TF700? Or maybe something else?
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The TF700 may have the advantage of having less issues, since it's an older platform which has had the benefit of time to iron out the wrinkles. However, it has inferior hardware and won't be supported as well or as long as the N10. There's nothing low quality about the N10 build.
I currently have a lot of issues with my N10, but man is it beautiful. Everything from the hardware to the software. Yes, there are lots of annoying little bugs, but as a whole only a few show-stoppers and will hopefully get them fixed. Certainly if you have no problems with installing ROMs, you won't have to wait as long. Also, many of the real show-stopper issues have to do with having multiple accounts - a new feature in 4.2. So if you're the only user (which will be true in the TF700) then you won't have many of the issues.
Having said all of this, there are definitely a few really nice benefits of going with the TF700. It's older/slower hardware, but again, if you don't mind ROMs then you don't care about updates and you get a beautiful dock design with a physical keyboard and a much better battery life. Having a physical keyboard also has a benefit of not wasting real-estate when a keyboard is required. Using a software keyboard sucks for lots of typing: long-winded emails, posts and documents .
By the way, what do you mainly want to do with the tablet? That may push you into a certain direction. If the TF700 came with the N10 specs and N10 software/support (or lack there of, right now )... I'd be all over the TF700.
Not sure if this helps
Having owned two tf201's, and two tf700's I can tell you performance wise, and just about every other way, the nexus 10 is far superior.
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I've had a tf201 and now a tf700. I also had the n10 for 2 weeks. The only reason I kept the Tf700 is I got the dock + tablet for about $500 and love the keyboard on it. Performance wise, even with cleanrom and clemsey kernel it doesnt beat the performance and smoothness of the n10. If you dont need a keyboard go for the n10. I'm reconsidering buy it again and just getting a separate bluetooth keyboard. I'm just waiting for CES to be over just in case a better tablet comes out thats better than the n10 with keyboard.
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i bought both the tf700 and the N10 to compare. all i can say is that tegra 3 is a couple of generations behind the nexus's a15 processor. i saw lots of lag, sluggish behavior and lots of FC even on stock on the tf700. the N10 is very smooth and if you turn down the animations in dev mode, you dont see the studders people talk about. the only reason one would pick the tf700 would be due to the screen and optional keyboard. The screen is just farrrr superior than the N10. even though the N10 has a higher PPI and Res, asus's ips screen is just super vivid and lifelike. N10 is number 1 android tablet and will be for a while, until they release some tegra 4/ snapdragon 800 devices
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i bought both the tf700 and the N10 to compare. all i can say is that tegra 3 is a couple of generations behind the nexus's a15 processor. i saw lots of lag, sluggish behavior and lots of FC even on stock on the tf700. the N10 is very smooth and if you turn down the animations in dev mode, you dont see the studders people talk about. the only reason one would pick the tf700 would be due to the screen and optional keyboard. The screen is just farrrr superior than the N10. even though the N10 has a higher PPI and Res, asus's ips screen is just super vivid and lifelike. N10 is number 1 android tablet and will be for a while, until they release some tegra 4/ snapdragon 800 devices
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It could have lagged due to bad I/O.
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Having owned two tf201's, and two tf700's I can tell you performance wise, and just about every other way, the nexus 10 is far superior.
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Which is why ive got a tf700 for sale if anyone wants it!!
I had a TF201. It was NOTHING but problems. Stay away from everything Asus. They're terrible. I sold mine for an N10 and am very happy.
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nyijedi said:
I had a TF201. It was NOTHING but problems. Stay away from everything Asus. They're terrible. I sold mine for an N10 and am very happy.
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Actually their nexus 7 has lots of good views
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The N10 is in another league than the TF700. I've had both.
Sold the tf700 after a few months of usage. The N10 has been pretty much awesome, and its way smoother.
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For playing games with more enjoyment, I would like to suggest the TF 700, for experiencing the latest Android version, then get the Nexus 10.
As a user of TF700 and struggling a lot with it I have been keeping my close eye on the Nexus 10. If I didn't unlock my TF700 about 3months ago and this way voiding the warranty and at the same time making it harder to sell I would have probably done it already.
But then something magical happened with the new CM10.1 kernel and now this tablet really is super smooth. I still do think that Tegra 3 is no match for A15 by any means but this is still very snappy now.
Also I am a bit worried about some people complaining about the battery life of the Nexus 10. With TF700 it is so great to basically have 2 batteries with the dock. Also because I am using the tablet a lot at work I actually do need the dock to write reports.
Yet I do like the idea of having a pure Nexus device.
I am just wondering that because we are here at Nexus 10 site does people here always praise their current device even if there are a lot of problems. I am tempted to try but I am worried that it will end up in a similar disastrous start which I had with TF700.
Oh and the reason why I am still reading here is that I have these 2 white dots on my screen of TF700 and because unlocking can't return it anymore..and they are driving me crazy..
Just curious to see how many are thinking of selling their Nexus 10 I the next two months to buy the new one.
I don't see what more can they improve truthfully. Battery I think will stay the same (I mean on screen time), screen can't improve more, speakers will be the same, etc.
All I can see improvement in is on the CPU. Maybe even 3GB RAM.
Everything else is not really important. Better cameras? Who cares in a tablet?
Maybe some minor design tweaks.
Overall only the CPU is an important change.
No definitely not. I like its design very much, screen is superb as you said, maybe it needs a contrast tweak but its not that important. IMO tablets and smartphones don't need to get any faster in future, they should tweak battery life and fight heat generation of the cpu/gpu.
The most drastic change would be a new/different system but as the "old nexus" is still a nexus it'll be updated anyway.
Only if theyd reduce weight drastically + even better screen (not ppi but contrast) + better battery life + more appealing design + better thermal management I'd even consider buying a new one...I personally don't need to have the newest octa- dexacore cpu with practically the same battery life or even worse...
No.
From my S-Off BadSeed DNA
I'll have to wait and see what they come out with before making a decision.
No, the current version does all I want at this time. I will wait 2-3yrs before buying a new tablet. That assumes it does not die or that battery deteriates to the point I must buy a new one. If anything I don't like about current tablets is that the batteries cannot be user replaced like laptops.
Do you really think all they can come up with is a new CPU?
And even if its only that, there are people who always want the newest and best thing on the market. If they put a better GPU (we rly need one), 1 more GB RAM (cause 1 is used only by the gpu) and maybe better build quality, it's already a huge improvement.
Add ASUS' keyboard dock and this thing is a dream come true.
Not going to sell it, but my wife has gotten very frustrated with the slow performance of her hand-me-down Galaxy Tab 10.1, so now she wants me to get a new tablet so she can have my Nexus 10. So there's a good chance I'll be picking up the new one soon after release.
jmo but if the rumors are true that Asus will be making the new one, I'm happy with what I got (Samsung).
More than happy with my current tablet and will be sticking around probably until next year. There's not too much they can add that the current one doesn't do. Probably just better CPU/GPU which isn't worth a $500 upgrade.
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A better GPU and more ram is all thats really needed. The design is fine, screen and speakers are all great. CPU is fine but I'm sure most wouldn't mind a quad core.
No.. I'm not chasing unnecessary (for me) technology advancements...
LTE support could get me to sell/switch. Also I got the 16GB and I wish I would have got the 32GB. If the new one doesn't have LTE I might try to pick up a first gen 32GB cheap.
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I'll be waiting for next years Nexus 10. I'm on the two year plan...
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Other than wanting better battery life, there isn't really anything about my n10 hat i need improving. CPU, GPU, screen, speakers, design, build quality, it all does it's job just great.
I just got mine yesterday off Swappa after studying the rumor mill and comparing the the first gen to my needs. It didn't make sense to spend $180 more for something just because it was new in my case.
No, I will keep my Nexus 10. I am very happy with it and don't need an new One
Yes, I'm selling my N10 to buy the new one.
Having lived with the N10 for a year, I'm not afraid to acknowledge its shortcomings.
The GPU overheats too quickly while playing certain games. I had the N7v2 for a short while and the GPU in that tablet was quicker and cooler and never overheated during the same games I played on the N10.
The CPU could be faster - I'm not saying the Exynos is slow, but when I'm loading desktop sites, it does take a few seconds for every site to load. I don't like mobile sites.
More RAM is always a good thing.
The way I see it, I plan on selling my 32 GB N10 for $250-$300, and then I'll by the new one for $200-$250.
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Yes, I'm selling my N10 to buy the new one.
Having lived with the N10 for a year, I'm not afraid to acknowledge its shortcomings.
The GPU overheats too quickly while playing certain games. I had the N7v2 for a short while and the GPU in that tablet was quicker and cooler and never overheated during the same games I played on the N10.
The CPU could be faster - I'm not saying the Exynos is slow, but when I'm loading desktop sites, it does take a few seconds for every site to load. I don't like mobile sites.
More RAM is always a good thing.
The way I see it, I plan on selling my 32 GB N10 for $250-$300, and then I'll by the new one for $200-$250.
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How do you plan on buying the new one for 200-250 dollars? Or did you mean 200-250 dollars more because I don't think it will be that cheap
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Selling this for the nexus 7 2013. The size is just too much, I'm no longer a can of 10 inch tablets. Sticking to 7 to 8.5 inches and anything bigger will just be a laptop or an ultrabook.
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Selling this for the nexus 7 2013. The size is just too much, I'm no longer a can of 10 inch tablets. Sticking to 7 to 8.5 inches and anything bigger will just be a laptop or an ultrabook.
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I really can't refer to 7 inches as tablet.just as a big phone. 7 inches for me is a joke, I prefer a phone than a small tablet.
Only as a second tablet I can find it of use.
As we know, Google has not released a new Nexus 10, well over a year after the original's release. The original's specs are still great, new tablets are not really surpassing it much if at all, so I don't think it's in dire need of an update, but it's still unusual to see that much time go by without an update for a product a company is still interested in.
Then in the code, we have two solid hints that Google no longer cares about the 10" form factor. The first obvious one is the Settings menu in KitKat, with two-pane UI removed. The second hint now comes with the official launch of the Google Now Launcher. We see that GNL only does 6 columns on Nexus 10, same as Nexus 7. Google could've easily bumped this to 8 like with the stock launcher, but didn't bother.
Then there are Nexus 8 rumors. To me 8" is still too small and is noticeably smaller than a 10" tablet. You need only look at the iPad Mini and full size iPad to validate this opinion. However, Google might use that device as further justification to not bother with a 10" device, since 8" is "close enough" and a single tablet could garner more sales.
This seems like a poor decision to me though. As I said, Apple thinks there is good reason to have both 8" and 10" devices in play, and the market agrees with them. 10" tablets are THE next "PC" for average users. They do most things people could want, on a comfortably sized screen, especially when paired with a keyboard. The fact that iPad Airs are flying off shelves and increasingly used in enterprise proves this. If we are really "post-PC" and the iPad's dominance is going unchecked, why would Google give up on this size/form factor? Why not continually update the N10 and pair it with awesome keyboards and office apps to make it a real powerhouse? Samsung gets it and is doing exactly this - it seems Google is happy to let them handle it, despite its huge importance. What if Samsung takes it in a different direction that Google is unhappy with? They've been known to do this before.
Do you agree with this, or do think Google is still committed to the full size market, but just taking their time with an update? Keep in mind the software hints we have seen that indicate they are giving up.
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The original's specs are still great, new tablets are not really surpassing it much if at all, so I don't think it's in dire need of an update.
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The N10.1-14 and Tab|Pro 10.1 run circles around the N10 specs wise.
GPU
The Mali-T628 delivers high performance graphics, achieved by doubling the number of GPU cores, within each core and improving the compiler and pipeline efficiency. It delivers up to 10x the graphics performance of the Mali-400-MP GPU, as well as an increase in GPU Compute performance when compared with the Mali-T604 GPU.
The Mali-T604 GPU delivers up to 5x performance improvement over the Mali-400-MP graphics processor and is scalable up to four cores.
http://mobile.arm.com/products/multimedia/mali-graphics-hardware/mali-t628.php
CPU
Exynos 5420 provides four A15 cores plus the ability to transition to four A7 cores under low/moderate load vs. two A15 cores on Exynos 5250. The former's using a 28nm HKMG die while the latters using the much older 32nm process which is far less energy and heat efficient.
You can look at benchmarks and see that the N10's CPU and GPU are "acceptable" but certainly not contemporary compared to newer Exynos/Mali and S-80X/Adreno SoC's.
Size
Battery Life
The Samsung tablets get better battery life using a smaller and lighter battery. Primarily because of the RGBW display and more energy efficient SoC(s). With the extra white pixel there are still 274 red, green, and blue sub-pixels per inch which wouldn't be indistinguishable compared to the 299 PPI on the N10. The iPad Air has 264 PPI for reference.
TW obviously negates some of the performance benefit because of all the resources it consumes but if you added the same amount of crap to the N10 it's performance would be significantly below the Samsung tablets. Same thing in reverse if you slapped CM or an AOKP ROM on the Samsung tablets. The Xperia Tablet Z 2 is using a S-801 SoC and comes with 3GB of RAM which will actually surpass the performance of the Samsung tablets and even further outperform the N10.
So the N10's had its day in the sun but needs either to be replaced to remain contemporary or marked down considerably in price based on its performance position in the market place.
That's totally true. And we aren't even talking about Snapdragon 800 beast in the market. I like it a lot but it has become quite obsolete (as usuall in Tech market). I think new media contents wont be able to be played fluidly.
The screen ppi is about the best on any tablet and it's running the latest version of Android and apps run without lag so really no need to upgrade.
BarryH_GEG said:
The N10.1-14 and Tab|Pro 10.1 run circles around the N10 specs wise.
GPU
The Mali-T628 delivers high performance graphics, achieved by doubling the number of GPU cores, within each core and improving the compiler and pipeline efficiency. It delivers up to 10x the graphics performance of the Mali-400-MP GPU, as well as an increase in GPU Compute performance when compared with the Mali-T604 GPU.
The Mali-T604 GPU delivers up to 5x performance improvement over the Mali-400-MP graphics processor and is scalable up to four cores.
http://mobile.arm.com/products/multimedia/mali-graphics-hardware/mali-t628.php
CPU
Exynos 5420 provides four A15 cores plus the ability to transition to four A7 cores under low/moderate load vs. two A15 cores on Exynos 5250. The former's using a 28nm HKMG die while the latters using the much older 32nm process which is far less energy and heat efficient.
You can look at benchmarks and see that the N10's CPU and GPU are "acceptable" but certainly not contemporary compared to newer Exynos/Mali and S-80X/Adreno SoC's.
Size
Battery Life
The Samsung tablets get better battery life using a smaller and lighter battery. Primarily because of the RGBW display and more energy efficient SoC(s). With the extra white pixel there are still 274 red, green, and blue sub-pixels per inch which wouldn't be indistinguishable compared to the 299 PPI on the N10. The iPad Air has 264 PPI for reference.
TW obviously negates some of the performance benefit because of all the resources it consumes but if you added the same amount of crap to the N10 it's performance would be significantly below the Samsung tablets. Same thing in reverse if you slapped CM or an AOKP ROM on the Samsung tablets. The Xperia Tablet Z 2 is using a S-801 SoC and comes with 3GB of RAM which will actually surpass the performance of the Samsung tablets and even further outperform the N10.
So the N10's had its day in the sun but needs either to be replaced to remain contemporary or marked down considerably in price based on its performance position in the market place.
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Well its 16 months old now the N10 so what else do you expect. Still a good tablet in my book.
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Warren_Orange said:
Well its 16 months old now the N10 so what else do you expect. Still a good tablet in my book.
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I didn't say it wasn't a "good" tablet; especially for $250 for the 32GB version on eBay. But after 16 months the following statement isn't true. The most unique feature of the N10 was it being the only 2,560x1,600 Android tablet. The 10" Samsung tablets and Asus TF701 both have similar displays now in addition to improving upon every other h/w spec.
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New tablets are not really surpassing it much if at all.
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I think they will put out another. They're development devices so as long as we have ultra high resolution 10+inch tablets there should be a 10 incher from google
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Google provides updates to a device for 18 months, right? So what happens when the N10 hits 18 months, if they have no new N10 out by then?
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Google provides updates to a device for 18 months, right? So what happens when the N10 hits 18 months, if they have no new N10 out by then?
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10" Android tablets, especially high-end versions, have never sold well. At $400+ people (not necessarily XDA'rs) looking for larger format tablets buy iPads. People looking for cheap tablets buy Android (forked and official) which are typically $250 or below and 7-8". The Motorola Zoom was released three years ago in February, 2011. The fact we're still dealing with this speaks volumes about the attention developers pay to 10" tablets with their larger display area and landscape orientation.
Samsung and their zillion dollar marketing budget are making a huge push in the high-end larger format tablet space. And with balls of steel their pricing the 8.4 and 10.1 Pro/Note's at iPad prices and beyond. We'll see if that gets people interested in large Android tablets. If you look at the latest KitKat adoption rate it's below 2%. If you assume most Nexi that were able upgraded that means that of all the Android h/w out there less than 2% are Nexi. If you further assume the N4/5 and N7/N7-13 (both of which emphasize price as much as purity) are the lion's share that doesn't leave many other devices sold. Google may just be taking a pass on a new 10" tablet or letting Samsung prime the pump with their Pro/Note push before they jump back in. The world will survive without a new N10 since they didn't fall all over themselves to buy the first one.
Does not answer my question you've quoted. I'm asking about OTA updates for the current N10 if it hits 18 months and no new N10 is released. Sorry for not mentioning I'm asking regarding OTA updates.
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Does not answer my question you've quoted. I'm asking about OTA updates for the current N10 if it hits 18 months and no new N10 is released. Sorry for not mentioning I'm asking regarding OTA updates.
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I dont think that's any sort of guarantee. Considering how they had to disable features in 4.4.2, I wonder if 4.5 will even make it onto the N10 officially.
BarryH_GEG said:
10" Android tablets, especially high-end versions, have never sold well. At $400+ people (not necessarily XDA'rs) looking for larger format tablets buy iPads. People looking for cheap tablets buy Android (forked and official) which are typically $250 or below and 7-8". The Motorola Zoom was released three years ago in February, 2011. The fact we're still dealing with this speaks volumes about the attention developers pay to 10" tablets with their larger display area and landscape orientation.
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If anything that is MORE reason why Google should focus on this space. Just like they did with the Nexus 7 where they came out with a device that did the 7" form factor right, and it got attention. iPads are THE next "PC". In the future (even now) your average user will have a smartphone or maybe a tablet to use at home, and might not need a Windows/Mac PC at all. If Google doesn't get Android to a dominant position in this space like they've done with phones they will come to regret it. It ties into enterprise adoption, productivity (Google Docs and as an extension Chromebooks), you name it.
BarryH_GEG said:
The N10.1-14 and Tab|Pro 10.1 run circles around the N10 specs wise.
GPU
The Mali-T628 delivers high performance graphics, achieved by doubling the number of GPU cores, within each core and improving the compiler and pipeline efficiency. It delivers up to 10x the graphics performance of the Mali-400-MP GPU, as well as an increase in GPU Compute performance when compared with the Mali-T604 GPU.
The Mali-T604 GPU delivers up to 5x performance improvement over the Mali-400-MP graphics processor and is scalable up to four cores.
http://mobile.arm.com/products/multimedia/mali-graphics-hardware/mali-t628.php
CPU
Exynos 5420 provides four A15 cores plus the ability to transition to four A7 cores under low/moderate load vs. two A15 cores on Exynos 5250. The former's using a 28nm HKMG die while the latters using the much older 32nm process which is far less energy and heat efficient.
You can look at benchmarks and see that the N10's CPU and GPU are "acceptable" but certainly not contemporary compared to newer Exynos/Mali and S-80X/Adreno SoC's.
Size
http://www.flickr.com/photos/b-a-h/11237275726/
Battery Life
The Samsung tablets get better battery life using a smaller and lighter battery. Primarily because of the RGBW display and more energy efficient SoC(s). With the extra white pixel there are still 274 red, green, and blue sub-pixels per inch which wouldn't be indistinguishable compared to the 299 PPI on the N10. The iPad Air has 264 PPI for reference.
TW obviously negates some of the performance benefit because of all the resources it consumes but if you added the same amount of crap to the N10 it's performance would be significantly below the Samsung tablets. Same thing in reverse if you slapped CM or an AOKP ROM on the Samsung tablets. The Xperia Tablet Z 2 is using a S-801 SoC and comes with 3GB of RAM which will actually surpass the performance of the Samsung tablets and even further outperform the N10.
So the N10's had its day in the sun but needs either to be replaced to remain contemporary or marked down considerably in price based on its performance position in the market place.
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None of this refutes my points regarding Google giving up on this space despite all the reasons they should actually increase their efforts in it. And despite the spec bumps you quoted, the N10 is still a super capable and modern tablet. It could stand to be a bit faster (or maybe Android/Chrome just better optimized for Exynos), and better in-use battery life is always welcome, but that's about it. Just sitting there my N10 will only lose 1-2% over the course of a whole day idle.
I could never get used to the ten inch Android form factor. Too awkward to hold IMO either landscape or portrait. And the dimensions at that size just look odd when viewing the screen for anything but videos. Bought a N10 and returned it days later. That said the Samsung Note 8 is ergonomically excellent and great for viewing in portrait mode. Just needs higher resolution and it would have it all. But I like mine all the same. Still I need a large format tablet which is why I own the iPad Air. Tremendously light and has an excellent screen. They chopped the bezel size which makes it feel small but they didn't shrink the screen. This really is a killer pad just from a hardware technical perspective. On the other hand, don't like the iOS but what can you do. Android really needs to change the ten inch form factor.
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xdp said:
As we know, Google has not released a new Nexus 10, well over a year after the original's release. The original's specs are still great, new tablets are not really surpassing it much if at all, so I don't think it's in dire need of an update, but it's still unusual to see that much time go by without an update for a product a company is still interested in.
Then in the code, we have two solid hints that Google no longer cares about the 10" form factor. The first obvious one is the Settings menu in KitKat, with two-pane UI removed. The second hint now comes with the official launch of the Google Now Launcher. We see that GNL only does 6 columns on Nexus 10, same as Nexus 7. Google could've easily bumped this to 8 like with the stock launcher, but didn't bother.
Then there are Nexus 8 rumors. To me 8" is still too small and is noticeably smaller than a 10" tablet. You need only look at the iPad Mini and full size iPad to validate this opinion. However, Google might use that device as further justification to not bother with a 10" device, since 8" is "close enough" and a single tablet could garner more sales.
This seems like a poor decision to me though. As I said, Apple thinks there is good reason to have both 8" and 10" devices in play, and the market agrees with them. 10" tablets are THE next "PC" for average users. They do most things people could want, on a comfortably sized screen, especially when paired with a keyboard. The fact that iPad Airs are flying off shelves and increasingly used in enterprise proves this. If we are really "post-PC" and the iPad's dominance is going unchecked, why would Google give up on this size/form factor? Why not continually update the N10 and pair it with awesome keyboards and office apps to make it a real powerhouse? Samsung gets it and is doing exactly this - it seems Google is happy to let them handle it, despite its huge importance. What if Samsung takes it in a different direction that Google is unhappy with? They've been known to do this before.
Do you agree with this, or do think Google is still committed to the full size market, but just taking their time with an update? Keep in mind the software hints we have seen that indicate they are giving up.
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I agree with you in that I highly doubt there will ever be a 2nd gen Nexus 10. This is actually what pushed me to finally order my new N10 last week. I've always wanted one, but couldn't justify paying $500 for a 32GB when it first came out. I had an HP TouchPad at the time running CM that was able to hold me over for a while. Then, after buying my N5, the speed (or lack thereof) of the TouchPad was really starting to make itself evident. I lucked out and scored a 32GB N7 (2013) from Staples for $170 back in January, and it's a great tablet, but I was really missing the 10" screen. So last week, when I saw a deal (shout out to Slickdeals!) for a brand new 32GB N10 for $300, I had to jump on it. Yeah, it's over a year old, and it doesn't have the fastest specs compared to today's standards, but I didn't buy it run benchmarks on it. I don't even really play intense games either. My main uses are web-browsing, productivity apps and media consumption (mainly Blu-ray MKVs). And, obviously, since it's a Nexus, I can tinker to my heart's content.
One can easily say the Note 10.1 (2014) and Tab Pro 10.1 have better specs, but they both come running TouchWiz (which is a HUGE negative for me). Plus, I doubt development for either of these will ever come close to what the N10 has. My disdain for TouchWiz makes this decision even easier when looking at the prices of these tablets. With the 32GB Note 10.1 (2014) going for $550, and the 16GB Galaxy Tab Pro 10.1 (no 32GB option available) going for $450 (prices according to Amazon), I see a brand new 32GB N10 for $300 as nothing less than a no-brainer.
To wrap it up, even though Google may not be coming out with a new Nexus 10, I still feel comfortable buying one since the price is great, and I can see development continuing for this tablet for a good while. And worst-case scenario, if Google does come out with a new N10, I'll just sell my current one for an upgrade. If they don't, then I'll be glad I picked one up before it became unavailable.
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I could never get used to the ten inch Android form factor. Too awkward to hold IMO either landscape or portrait. And the dimensions at that size just look odd when viewing the screen for anything but videos. Bought a N10 and returned it days later. That said the Samsung Note 8 is ergonomically excellent and great for viewing in portrait mode. Just needs higher resolution and it would have it all. But I like mine all the same. Still I need a large format tablet which is why I own the iPad Air. Tremendously light and has an excellent screen. They chopped the bezel size which makes it feel small but they didn't shrink the screen. This really is a killer pad just from a hardware technical perspective. On the other hand, don't like the iOS but what can you do. Android really needs to change the ten inch form factor.
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Yep, iOS is a huge bore, but you're right that the iPad hardware can't be beat. I don't mind the Nexus 10 form factor, but I do think the 4:3 iPad is a little more manageable and Android should try out that aspect ratio, I don't know why they've always only done 16:9.
charesa39 said:
I agree with you in that I highly doubt there will ever be a 2nd gen Nexus 10. This is actually what pushed me to finally order my new N10 last week. I've always wanted one, but couldn't justify paying $500 for a 32GB when it first came out. I had an HP TouchPad at the time running CM that was able to hold me over for a while. Then, after buying my N5, the speed (or lack thereof) of the TouchPad was really starting to make itself evident. I lucked out and scored a 32GB N7 (2013) from Staples for $170 back in January, and it's a great tablet, but I was really missing the 10" screen. So last week, when I saw a deal (shout out to Slickdeals!) for a brand new 32GB N10 for $300, I had to jump on it. Yeah, it's over a year old, and it doesn't have the fastest specs compared to today's standards, but I didn't buy it run benchmarks on it. I don't even really play intense games either. My main uses are web-browsing, productivity apps and media consumption (mainly Blu-ray MKVs). And, obviously, since it's a Nexus, I can tinker to my heart's content.
One can easily say the Note 10.1 (2014) and Tab Pro 10.1 have better specs, but they both come running TouchWiz (which is a HUGE negative for me). Plus, I doubt development for either of these will ever come close to what the N10 has. My disdain for TouchWiz makes this decision even easier when looking at the prices of these tablets. With the 32GB Note 10.1 (2014) going for $550, and the 16GB Galaxy Tab Pro 10.1 (no 32GB option available) going for $450 (prices according to Amazon), I see a brand new 32GB N10 for $300 as nothing less than a no-brainer.
To wrap it up, even though Google may not be coming out with a new Nexus 10, I still feel comfortable buying one since the price is great, and I can see development continuing for this tablet for a good while. And worst-case scenario, if Google does come out with a new N10, I'll just sell my current one for an upgrade. If they don't, then I'll be glad I picked one up before it became unavailable.
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Agree with all your points, the N10's specs have aged pretty well especially considering the speed at which Android moves. I bought mine at launch and it runs KitKat swiftly enough. I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't get any updates post KitKat but I'll just throw CM on it then. I agree Samsung's software is still a turn-off, if it wasn't for that (and the prices) the new Samsung tablets would be more of a consideration.
Either way, though, Google does use Nexus to push their own experience (especially with the Nexus 5), and for this reason and considering the importance of the full-size tablet market, I don't see how they can logically abandon it.
Google is notorious for dropping hardware and software that don't meet expected numbers.
As for people talking about hardware updates needed and how other tablets have the latest and greatest.
None of it really matters. The general consumer isn't going to notice a increase in performance from a nexus 10 to a figurative nexus 10v2.
It literally does not matter. What matters is the software that runs the tablet and the display it comes on. The end user will be more likely to upgrade their tablet for the best software implementation and UI over tech specs they don't understand. Samsung has got this down with all their spiffy software. They still have the best hardware but none of it is really mentioned because the target audience doesn't care. The tech specs are reserved for the geeks and power users.
From my perspective no amount of hardware updates will justify upgrading from the nexus 10 as it has one of the best display resolutions and the hardware to run it flawlessly. What is a bump up in ghz going to achieve for what I use my tablet for? Or an updated gpu for games I don't play?
I suppose it matters what you use your tablet for but my guess is the majority of users use it for Web browsing and watching videos in HD which the n10 does spectacularly. I don't game on mine but when I do I have no issues with it. I also find that the more complex a game is on a tablet, the less enjoyable it is. Games like angry birds is fun as it's intuitive of tablets. Anything FPS related and such is a pain. I have my extremely expensive desktop for those kinds of games.
So in conclusion my best theory is that Google did not meet their quota for the nexus 10, there isn't a high enough demand unlike their phone products, and unless they can find an actual reason to update their device, I. E. New android software that requires a certain hardware upgrades to use, they're going to be content with a device that companies are still competing with over a year later. The very fact that the nexus 10 still reigns at the top with new tablets being put into the market should say a lot about the thought that went into the n10.
If someone can explain in depth what another similar 10" tablet can do better than the nexus 10 because of hardware superiority I will retract my statement.
The only thing I can think of that would justify a new n10 is if it had native 3d vision support since it's an entertainment device. That's the only thing this device can't do that I can think of at the moment.
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Ditto...
Proud owner of the Nexus10
You couldnt have explained That any better
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Darnell_Chat_TN said:
Does not answer my question you've quoted. I'm asking about OTA updates for the current N10 if it hits 18 months and no new N10 is released. Sorry for not mentioning I'm asking regarding OTA updates.
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Still running my N10 I got when they first came out. As far as OTA updates go it's anyboy's guess if/and/or when an update for KitKat will come for the device. KitKat runs great on this device, even in it's stock form. Throw a custom on it and it's even better. I have compared mine to a couple of friend's newer tabs running stock KitKat. Runs just as good if not better in some cases even with it's "OLD" specs.
Just my opinion and input.
I'm still using my n10. I would love to upgrade, but there just isn't anything that makes me want to spend the money. The samsung tabs are laggy. The Asus tabs are buggy. The apple tabs are... apple.