Just curious to see how many are thinking of selling their Nexus 10 I the next two months to buy the new one.
I don't see what more can they improve truthfully. Battery I think will stay the same (I mean on screen time), screen can't improve more, speakers will be the same, etc.
All I can see improvement in is on the CPU. Maybe even 3GB RAM.
Everything else is not really important. Better cameras? Who cares in a tablet?
Maybe some minor design tweaks.
Overall only the CPU is an important change.
No definitely not. I like its design very much, screen is superb as you said, maybe it needs a contrast tweak but its not that important. IMO tablets and smartphones don't need to get any faster in future, they should tweak battery life and fight heat generation of the cpu/gpu.
The most drastic change would be a new/different system but as the "old nexus" is still a nexus it'll be updated anyway.
Only if theyd reduce weight drastically + even better screen (not ppi but contrast) + better battery life + more appealing design + better thermal management I'd even consider buying a new one...I personally don't need to have the newest octa- dexacore cpu with practically the same battery life or even worse...
No.
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I'll have to wait and see what they come out with before making a decision.
No, the current version does all I want at this time. I will wait 2-3yrs before buying a new tablet. That assumes it does not die or that battery deteriates to the point I must buy a new one. If anything I don't like about current tablets is that the batteries cannot be user replaced like laptops.
Do you really think all they can come up with is a new CPU?
And even if its only that, there are people who always want the newest and best thing on the market. If they put a better GPU (we rly need one), 1 more GB RAM (cause 1 is used only by the gpu) and maybe better build quality, it's already a huge improvement.
Add ASUS' keyboard dock and this thing is a dream come true.
Not going to sell it, but my wife has gotten very frustrated with the slow performance of her hand-me-down Galaxy Tab 10.1, so now she wants me to get a new tablet so she can have my Nexus 10. So there's a good chance I'll be picking up the new one soon after release.
jmo but if the rumors are true that Asus will be making the new one, I'm happy with what I got (Samsung).
More than happy with my current tablet and will be sticking around probably until next year. There's not too much they can add that the current one doesn't do. Probably just better CPU/GPU which isn't worth a $500 upgrade.
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A better GPU and more ram is all thats really needed. The design is fine, screen and speakers are all great. CPU is fine but I'm sure most wouldn't mind a quad core.
No.. I'm not chasing unnecessary (for me) technology advancements...
LTE support could get me to sell/switch. Also I got the 16GB and I wish I would have got the 32GB. If the new one doesn't have LTE I might try to pick up a first gen 32GB cheap.
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I'll be waiting for next years Nexus 10. I'm on the two year plan...
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Other than wanting better battery life, there isn't really anything about my n10 hat i need improving. CPU, GPU, screen, speakers, design, build quality, it all does it's job just great.
I just got mine yesterday off Swappa after studying the rumor mill and comparing the the first gen to my needs. It didn't make sense to spend $180 more for something just because it was new in my case.
No, I will keep my Nexus 10. I am very happy with it and don't need an new One
Yes, I'm selling my N10 to buy the new one.
Having lived with the N10 for a year, I'm not afraid to acknowledge its shortcomings.
The GPU overheats too quickly while playing certain games. I had the N7v2 for a short while and the GPU in that tablet was quicker and cooler and never overheated during the same games I played on the N10.
The CPU could be faster - I'm not saying the Exynos is slow, but when I'm loading desktop sites, it does take a few seconds for every site to load. I don't like mobile sites.
More RAM is always a good thing.
The way I see it, I plan on selling my 32 GB N10 for $250-$300, and then I'll by the new one for $200-$250.
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Yes, I'm selling my N10 to buy the new one.
Having lived with the N10 for a year, I'm not afraid to acknowledge its shortcomings.
The GPU overheats too quickly while playing certain games. I had the N7v2 for a short while and the GPU in that tablet was quicker and cooler and never overheated during the same games I played on the N10.
The CPU could be faster - I'm not saying the Exynos is slow, but when I'm loading desktop sites, it does take a few seconds for every site to load. I don't like mobile sites.
More RAM is always a good thing.
The way I see it, I plan on selling my 32 GB N10 for $250-$300, and then I'll by the new one for $200-$250.
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How do you plan on buying the new one for 200-250 dollars? Or did you mean 200-250 dollars more because I don't think it will be that cheap
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Selling this for the nexus 7 2013. The size is just too much, I'm no longer a can of 10 inch tablets. Sticking to 7 to 8.5 inches and anything bigger will just be a laptop or an ultrabook.
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Selling this for the nexus 7 2013. The size is just too much, I'm no longer a can of 10 inch tablets. Sticking to 7 to 8.5 inches and anything bigger will just be a laptop or an ultrabook.
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I really can't refer to 7 inches as tablet.just as a big phone. 7 inches for me is a joke, I prefer a phone than a small tablet.
Only as a second tablet I can find it of use.
Related
http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/27/asus-rebrands-its-tablets-transformer-pads-announces-the-infi/
http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/27/asus-outs-lower-end-transformer-pad-300-tablet-with-16gb-of-stor/
There you go So we'll be having a luxury model, thats more expensive and without tegra3 but 1080p display. And then a low cost one, without IPS+, only 16gb und ugly colored (imho) plastic backs.
Asus also gives slightly less battery life (10h against 12h of the prime) on both "new" tablets. Of course they will be good devices, but with both of them i think "ah its just slightly off from what i'm looking for".
I think the Prime is still the sweet spot, and i'm glad i didnt wait
Does the LTE vertion include WiFi?
Now I'm fully convinced to get my Prime, as soon as Amazon Italy lists it as available again.
There is a Tegra 3 one for the WiFi only version model, that's listed in the article you linked.
I have a feeling the prime will slowly disappear when the 300 is released. The two cannot really exist very well together on store shelves i don't think. Who knows when the 300 will be available though. We will have had our primes for months already.
i just can't see them selling both. I wouldn't be surprised if we never see the prime readily available in stores. It doesn't even fit with their new naming. It would confuse people. It sort of belongs as a 500 series with the premium materials and better screen than the 300.
Asus Press Releases
Asus press releases on this:
http://press.asus.com/asus-showcase...rmer-pad-range-at-mobile-world-congress-2012/
http://press.asus.com/asus-padfone-...ineup-unveiled-at-mobile-world-congress-2012/
I just hope sprint gets that Padphone and it will be all mine 1 device to do it all
Now that's a design feat right there!
Not a docking phone into a laptop but a docking phone into a tablet then into a keyboard
Bring that into an apple store and everyone would be like what! I need that! I can replace my iPhone iPad and macbook air! For what less then 1000 you got me sold!
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i think every Prime owner should demand their backplates to be replaced with those from Pad Infinity design with plastic RF window.
Snapdragon S4 VS Tegra 3
This is all pretty crazy now haha. There was only 1 original Transformer (TF101) and now there's exactly 7,451 second generation models.
Just a question though, i've seen benchmarks and it seems that the S4 in the LTE prime is better than Tegra 3, does anyone think the extra cores in Tegra 3 could make up for lack of speed in some applications?
No way the dual core a15 snapdragon will smoke the tegra 3 in not only overclocking but all around performance.
Now what we should be looking forward to is the snapdragon s4 pro the one with the adreno 320 gpu that will be a real deal breaker!
Nvidia just wanted to be first to market so they took the tegra 2 and shrunk it down threw in an extra core for battery and got almost all the attention for being first!
Optimization> # of cores
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actually as a consumer i dont care at all about cores or potential speed in benchmark xy
I care about battery life and most importantly software. I'm sure all the regular games will run smooth on all the new CPUs thats not an issue. Also UI will be completely smooth thats already possible with a dualcore (galaxy s2).
So what does tegra3 offer? Intelligent design with ninja core for battery life and dedicated games that look better than anything else. That makes it better than any other chip IMHO.
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ninja core
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This.
The battery life is SO much better because of this.
..vs K3V2
clouds5 said:
actually as a consumer i dont care at all about cores or potential speed in benchmark xy
I care about battery life and most importantly software. I'm sure all the regular games will run smooth on all the new CPUs thats not an issue. Also UI will be completely smooth thats already possible with a dualcore (galaxy s2).
So what does tegra3 offer? Intelligent design with ninja core for battery life and dedicated games that look better than anything else. That makes it better than any other chip IMHO.
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Haha I guess your right, as long as it works and works WELL, that's more than enough.
Plus if we all cared about specs we'd all be running to the huawei k3v2 chip
"49 percent faster in purely CPU-powered tasks and uses 30 percent less power than its competitors"
http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/26/huawei-adds-home-grown-k3v2-quad-core-mobile-cpu-to-its-arsenal/
THIS MOBILE TECH SPACE IS JUST GETTING STUPID NOW!
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THIS MOBILE TECH SPACE IS JUST GETTING STUPID NOW!
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Most definately Its kinda funny i think... This is completely off topic, but i really wonder what phone manufacturers think when they decide on specs for their new phones.
For example HTC, new line of phones. I like 4.3" phones so the One S is for me. Right now i have a DesireHD. If i upgrade i get a new CPU, yay. But only 16gb memory and only 1500mAh battery (the same as my DHD...).
That means i get a potentionally faster chip (yay for psx/n64 emulation, only place where my dhd is at its limits), but it wont even be able to hold my Music library. Guess i should take my ancient ipod with me again... I liked HTC so far but this is just fail.
now back to topic I hope as many phones as possible will use Tegra3. That means more software dedicated to that chip. And more software on our Prime.
Ooh, I've seen this before. HTC did that. They released so many models that it was hard to keep track of. And this led them to a really sad situation where they are now forced to step back.
ASUS is making a mistake by releasing new models this frequently. It upsets buyers who have invested in a 'new tablet' that is outdated by the same company only few months later and leaves an impression of ASUS basically doing HTC, just improving hardware a little and causing absolutely horrible fragmentation. TF201 will likely not even get Android 5.0 officially.
I liked Engadget poking ASUS as well: "No word yet on pricing or availability. In any case, though, we wouldn't be surprised if ASUS gave birth to another tablet between now and then."
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Most definately Its kinda funny i think... This is completely off topic, but i really wonder what phone manufacturers think when they decide on specs for their new phones.
For example HTC, new line of phones. I like 4.3" phones so the One S is for me. Right now i have a DesireHD. If i upgrade i get a new CPU, yay. But only 16gb memory and only 1500mAh battery (the same as my DHD...). .
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Seconded. Was looking forward to the new HTC models, my Desire has been fantastic and I was not considering any other manufacturer, but then they go and announce the One X and S and it turns out they don't have any memory card slots. What the ****? 32GB on the One X I might be able to live with, but it's too big, and the One S does not have anywhere near enough storage.
Will wait and see on the Asus Padphone now. You might want to check that out - I couldn't give a crap about using it as a tablet but it's got a 4.3 inch display same as the One S and between 16-64GB of internal storage as well as a memory card slot.
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I have a feeling the prime will slowly disappear when the 300 is released. The two cannot really exist very well together on store shelves i don't think. Who knows when the 300 will be available though. We will have had our primes for months already.
i just can't see them selling both. I wouldn't be surprised if we never see the prime readily available in stores. It doesn't even fit with their new naming. It would confuse people. It sort of belongs as a 500 series with the premium materials and better screen than the 300.
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I think you are wrong. If anything, the original Transformer will be phased out when the TP300 is released, since the 300 will replace the OG Transformer as the budget model tablet. Also Asus has stated that they see a long product life span ahead for the current model Transformer Prime, and I believe them.
So you guys ok with a cheaper tablet with better wifi, gps etc? With Sd card slot, the 16 GB storage is not going to be a problem. Also i highly doubt if we will see Padfone in US. Its head ache to deal with carriers here and Asus may well not do it.
So the new Transformer Pad Infinity is basically the current Transformer Prime but with the following changes:
- Same metallic spun finish but with a plastic strip at the top to fix the GPS/BT/WiFi issues the Prime had.
- Same Tegra 3 CPU as the Prime (WiFi model only) but now clocked at 1.6Ghz.
- Improved display. Now 1920x1800.
- Improved front facing camera. Now 2MP and capable of HD video calls.
- 1hr less battery time compared to Prime. Due to increased resolution and clock speed.
- Available in 16GB, 32GB and 64GB configurations and same colours as the Prime.
- Same ports and keyboard dock as the Prime.
I think I might have to wait for this now. Hopefully it fixes all the issues the Prime has.
I personally would gladly trade 16 gigs internal storage for functional wifi/bt. I'll be waiting to see what the rest of the week brings for MWC, but i'm 100% sure now that I wont be buying anything until about a month out to let everyone figure out whats wrong with all these tabs.
Will you be putting down your Prime for a Nexus 10?
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Haha... had to see this thread coming... I already did... just hanging around here to advise people till I get my Nexus 10.... gonna buy it the day it's available...
I am keeping my prime, I refuse to jump on this redundant display bandwagon. We've gotten by fine for over 10 years with 1200x800 and going higher just consumes more power, for what? 720p is more than acceptable on a 10 inch device. Last I checked, there aren't a surplus of 1600p videos, and even if there were I would prefer to watch them on something larger than 10 inches so I could actually see the difference over 720p. The only way to see the difference is to hold it inches away and that's not how people watch movies.
As far as text rendering goes, it's no excuse to sacrifice battery life, overall performance, and spend more money.
I wish OEMs would have let apple go down this silly path on their own. Not every decision apple makes is effective. I wish OEMs would have focused those efforts on more power, stability, and other features, instead of just pulling a page from apple's playbook and upping the displays on devices that already have wonderful displays. As it stands my transformer prime already has a nicer panel than the laptop I'm typing this on, and desktop displays could make much more use out of better displays than any 10 inch tablet can.
The purpose 1600p tablets serve is to satisfy consumer dickmeasuring. "OH YOUR TABLET ISN'T 1600P IT'S NOT AS NICE AS THE IPAD!"
There are more effective routes OEMs could have taken to actually advance their products that isn't putting in overkill displays.
Agreed to #3. Android narcissism in Tech Specs's war. Will it benefit consumers? Yes. Cut-throat competition. What I hope is that Google won't be killing off other OEMs in the near future just so to use them as springboards to fight Apple. If so, then Google's advocacy of Cloud Storage may mean expensive onboard storage of us all.
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Agreed to #3. Android narcissism in Tech Specs's war. Will it benefit consumers? Yes. Cut-throat competition. What I hope is that Google won't be killing off other OEMs in the near future just so to use them as springboards to fight Apple. If so, then Google's advocacy of Cloud Storage may mean expensive onboard storage of us all.
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Not unless it gets a make over, it looks hideous! Seriously, what the hell were they thinking?
I was holding tough to my Prime hoping a fix was coming and that once it got JB all would be well.Bought myself a Galaxy S III a few weeks back and the Wife a Nexus 7 and they both run circles around my Prime.Really,its an embarrassment for a $500 tab to run like sh!t compared to a $200 tab and a smartphone.Not only web browsing but even flipping through menus and navigating the device is snappier than my Prime.The second I can get my hand on the Nexus 10,I'm dumping the Prime.. :good:
My Prime's still running like crap even after Jellybean and countless factory resets and even restoring the stock image. Mine is already on eBay and I'll be buying the Nexus 10 on release day. I welcome nearly instant updates from Google.
Maybe the nexus 7... I like the prime but I left a sgt7 for it and its just not as portable... But to answer the question, no I won't go to the nexus 10.
16 gb or even 32gb isn't enough I have like 28gb of apps alone. Google is retarded
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im pretty sure that the nexus is much better than the prime (in some cases) but my questions is this, how will the speed differ in which the prime is quad core tegra 3 and the nexus is DUAL core with the new Cortex A-15 chip. For example apple used the cortex chips like the a-5 in their devices and the devices are pretty fluid so i wonder how this will put up and if it would be ridiculously lag-free faster....0.o
Nah for the time being ill stick with my prime I don't have any real issues. JB is fast and I can do everything I want on the tablet. I think even if I was able to get the Nexus 10 the time it would take for me to sell my prime and get up the rest of the cash if I couldnt sell it for 400, a newer nexus 10 will come out. So if anything ill save and wait. I have a sgs3 galaxy nexus and Tprime im good for another year or so on devices
No Nexus 10 for me but I just ordered a ipad mini. Found the 10 inch units too heavy while the display was too small on the 7 inch. But the mini was perfect in that regard. Lighter than any 7 inch but with screen massively bigger. And no more wasted space due to the on screen Android virtual buttons bar.
That was my plan until I saw the pics and specs. No microsd. $500 for only 32gb. No working for me. Just got to wait for anither tablet to come out. For those that dont think a higher resolution makes a difference. It does. I have the new ipad and the screen is beautiful. Makes reading and using it much easier on the eyes.
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when the nexus10 is released in the netherlands or available for normal prices abroad i will surely switch to the nexus10. samsung is the way to go! also waiting for a good keyboard case/addon for the nexus 10.
after 2 asus products, 6 rma's and still a laggy product im sick and tired of asus.... and sick and tired of nvidia trying to get world domination with their closed source tegra-only marketing tricks...
for the moment i can wait a bit, cm10 unofficial with bfq scheduler works pretty decent but still lockups due to slow storage. i hate lags!
Does the increase resolution on the Nexus 10 lend itself to better handwriting recognition?
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im pretty sure that the nexus is much better than the prime (in some cases) but my questions is this, how will the speed differ in which the prime is quad core tegra 3 and the nexus is DUAL core with the new Cortex A-15 chip. For example apple used the cortex chips like the a-5 in their devices and the devices are pretty fluid so i wonder how this will put up and if it would be ridiculously lag-free faster....0.o
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Apple devices are fluid because they don't properly multi task and don't have widgets and live wallpapers running on them, just a bunch of apps/folders cluttering up the screen. Clear your screens and only run one thing at once on Android and it might be as smooth but will it be any where near as fun?
I think the Nexus 10 has a rediculous resolution. I don't even have that on my pc with 24" monitor so why bother on a 10" tablet?
I reallly, really like my Prime so will be keeping it but I also have a 32GB Nexus 7 on the way for when I need something a little smaller and more portable.
I'm one of the lucky ones who has a nearly flawless Prime. Yea the WiFi could be better but I mainly just tether from my phone so it's not big issue. My TF201 of course has more mods on it than I could count (scripts mainly) and combined with a 1.8ghz OC it's faster than ever. The Nexus devices are great but honestly the look of the Nexus 10 doesn't please me even with the ridiculously high screen res.
N10 wins just on the fact that the software will be made by Google and will be snappy and responsive, not laggy and crappy. I just sold my Prime and will be getting an N10. Never again with Asus...never again.
Two things stop me from even thinking about it:
- no sd card slot
- no keyboard dock
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No Nexus 10 for me but I just ordered a ipad mini. Found the 10 inch units too heavy while the display was too small on the 7 inch. But the mini was perfect in that regard. Lighter than any 7 inch but with screen massively bigger. And no more wasted space due to the on screen Android virtual buttons bar.
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Seriously? An iPad mini? Basicly an iPad 2 shrunked to 8" for the price of one and a half Nexus 7?
Tough decision...
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im pretty sure that the nexus is much better than the prime (in some cases) but my questions is this, how will the speed differ in which the prime is quad core tegra 3 and the nexus is DUAL core with the new Cortex A-15 chip. For example apple used the cortex chips like the a-5 in their devices and the devices are pretty fluid so i wonder how this will put up and if it would be ridiculously lag-free faster....0.o
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The Exynos 5250 is much faster than Tegra 3. Also the Nexus 10 software comes straight from Google, so no lag and strange bugs. Yeah Prime is better looking but in my opinion usability is more important. Also Samsung devices dont have some cheap and slow internal memory.
I very much want a nexus 10, but I am wondering how the performance compares to say tega 3 and 4? If I bought one will it be pretty much useless a year from now? I am especially worried because its only dual core. (and I have no idea how the graphic chip compares). Its already been out 6 months and while its still the current tablet, history shows after a year a tablet is pretty much obsolete.
Also is it responsive? I've looked up videos but is it better than a nexus 7 atleast? (currently I have a nexus 7 but want a bigger tablet).
Do you guys feel its worth $400+?
it s not worth it .
the problem its with the 2gb ram ( 400 mb free true ) this i think its related with the frequent restarts and freeze .
this is not for you ... wait for something better if you want future .
go here next time http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2267362
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From N7 to N10 you can feel the difference. (I use Gnex, N4, N7 & N10)
It is all depends on your usage pattern. For me, it is fast enough (browsing, reading, movies) others might not think the same.
The point is, you need to identify what you really need in 10 inch tablet in reference of your usage.
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The tegra chips aren't that good actually. They are mostly hyped up by Nvidia.
The only plus for them are the exclusive games.
If the Tegra 4 will be better is something which we don't know yet.
Actually, I think the hardware is quite capable, it's the software that I think needs improvement. Before I got my N10, I had an Asus Transformer, like the grandpappy of tablets. The N10 blows it out of the water. I replaced my Asus after 1.5 years, I can see me keeping the N10 a lot longer.
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it s not worth it .
the problem its with the 2gb ram ( 400 mb free true ) this i think its related with the frequent restarts and freeze .
this is not for you ... wait for something better if you want future .
go here next time http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2267362
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Dumbest thing I've ever read. Although not surprising from reading your previous comments.
This thing has a dual core A15 processor, nothing like the quad core A9s that people seem to think are better. Plus, the GPU is nothing to scoff at either. This thing will be around for a long time. I mean, hell, look at the XOOM. That thing has been around forever and even got JB.
Don't forget about the granddaddy of them all...the moto xyboard!
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Don't forget about the granddaddy of them all...the moto xyboard!
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Xoom was first - Xyboard followed. Xoom introduced Honeycomb to the world (which thankfully was very short lived). And yes the Xoom is still cruising along on 4.2.2, and performs far better than when it was right out of the box. I'm waiting for an updated N10 in the fall (or N11 as the rumours go) to finally replace the Xoom.
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Absolutely. Technology always changes and gets better. The only time I experience any lag on this tablet is when the app itself is poorly designed. Web browsing has never lagged once, even on the stock ROM.
It does everything I want it to and more. I'm also happy to know I'll be receiving the latest OS updates lightning fast.
why people get upsad when others are saying their opinions and they dont come with arguments in compare ?
Sorry kids ! i was wrong ... our candy Nexus 10 has 4gb ram . It s planty for the future . It was an error from me and Its not lagging its just freeze and restarts .
Another problem that i thought its that it have only 32gb ... it haves 64 in reality..
Sorry again ! please fogive me !
Better ? please don t cry !
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beware of tegra 4 ... better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiIL-RjLUMw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
search before talk
the only little future of this tablet stays in the developers work ... if they want to
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That "comparison" between the Nexus 10 and Tegra 4 is wrong on so many levels...heck they are not even using the same browser. NVIDIA hype machine is in full swing...
In addition the demo is from Nvidia. AFAIK there aren't any unbiased benchmarks out yet.
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I very much want a nexus 10, but I am wondering how the performance compares to say tega 3 and 4? If I bought one will it be pretty much useless a year from now? I am especially worried because its only dual core. (and I have no idea how the graphic chip compares). Its already been out 6 months and while its still the current tablet, history shows after a year a tablet is pretty much obsolete.
Also is it responsive? I've looked up videos but is it better than a nexus 7 atleast? (currently I have a nexus 7 but want a bigger tablet).
Do you guys feel its worth $400+?
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From my perspective, if you can wait, I strongly recommend you wait. The next nexus 10 will surely pack a quad core A15 chip alongside a much improved GPU. While the T604 GPU is no slouch, the next iteration is going to be better.
Given the mixed bag I've seen in terms of hardware quality (e.g., freezing, restarts, etc), it also makes me question Samsung's reliability for producing these things.
With all things, my preference is to always try and skip the first generation, if you can withhold the temptation. =)
It's already May. It's about 5 more months till the next announcement of the N10 is out. Every day you spend pondering the question is definitely another day that makes picking up the current N10 less worthwhile.
You can always wait for the next big thing which most of the time will be much better. The question you have to ask yourself is if you need the hardware now or not. If you DO need it, there is no point in waiting. You said it yourself, 5 months till the announcement and who knows how long till the next tablet will be availalbe to buy. In tech world that is a long time to wait.
In my opinion right now is a good time to buy mobile hardware (phone or tablet). Current hardware can run anything that's existing on the web and in the media world (HD streams, HD movies, etc etc). I do not see a dramatic web/content development coming that will push current hardware beyond its limits. It was very different a few months ago before current quad core chips and potent dual cores (in the case of the Nexus 10) made an appearence.
Gaming may be a different animal, but then again this depends on how you plan to use your tablet.
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You can always wait for the next big thing which most of the time will be much better. The question you have to ask yourself is if you need the hardware now or not. If you DO need it, there is no point in waiting. You said it yourself, 5 months till the announcement and who knows how long till the next tablet will be availalbe to buy. In tech world that is a long time to wait.
In my opinion right now is a good time to buy mobile hardware (phone or tablet). Current hardware can run anything that's existing on the web and in the media world (HD streams, HD movies, etc etc). I do not see a dramatic web/content development coming that will push current hardware beyond its limits. It was very different a few months ago before current quad core chips and potent dual cores (in the case of the Nexus 10) made an appearence.
Gaming may be a different animal, but then again this depends on how you plan to use your tablet.
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In my mind, many of us don't need a tablet. We justify wanting a tablet, but definitely not needing it. This is why I told OP, if he can wait, wait it out.
The next iteration is likely going to see improvements in the screen as well (e.g., maybe higher contrast ratio), etc.
5 months isn't too long. Just stop visiting the N10 forums. Problem solved.
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beware of tegra 4 ... better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiIL-RjLUMw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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the only little future of this tablet stays in the developers work ... if they want to
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Why would you post such a horribly done comparison? All you do is hate on the nexus 10 and yet you use one all the time apparently.
but anyway
Thanks everyone. I definitely don't need a 10" tablet (especially since I do have a nexus 7) but am certainly wanting one. but I guess I better wait for the next tablet to come out. I was hoping for a new tablet announced at google IO but am not surprised to not see one announced. I'm just impatient lol.
I bought one last week and will get it today. I couldn't decide for a long time and it out of stock here anyway. Atm there's nothing better in the market. And even though the Tablet Z is tempting as well it's not a Nexus.
I own an N7 as well by the way but I wanted a 10" tablet again because it works better for certain things (e.g. PDF)
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I don't understand why people are saying there's going to be an announcement in 5 months. Just because the thing will have been out for a year doesn't equal a refresh, and there were tons of rumors floating around for a new Nexus 7 at Google I/O and that never happened.
If you tell yourself you can wait, you'll be waiting for the rest of your life because technology moves and keeps moving. There's always going to be something better, and better is always in the eye of the beholder. Just because a new version of a tablet gets released doesn't all of a sudden make your perfectly good tablet any less great, and it certainly doesn't break it in any way.
If you can utilize a bigger tablet and want it now, just get it. Your circumstances and needs are way different than people here, and the people here are always going to tell you there's another one coming around the corner. Which there's absolutely no proof of anyway.
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i hate liers
i want to see 2gb ram free ... to use it with my programs that i open .. not 300mb and boom ... restart
got it ?
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Free RAM is wasted RAM.
http://www.slimroms.net/index.php/faq/slimbean/238-why-do-i-have-less-memory-free-on-my-device
As we know, Google has not released a new Nexus 10, well over a year after the original's release. The original's specs are still great, new tablets are not really surpassing it much if at all, so I don't think it's in dire need of an update, but it's still unusual to see that much time go by without an update for a product a company is still interested in.
Then in the code, we have two solid hints that Google no longer cares about the 10" form factor. The first obvious one is the Settings menu in KitKat, with two-pane UI removed. The second hint now comes with the official launch of the Google Now Launcher. We see that GNL only does 6 columns on Nexus 10, same as Nexus 7. Google could've easily bumped this to 8 like with the stock launcher, but didn't bother.
Then there are Nexus 8 rumors. To me 8" is still too small and is noticeably smaller than a 10" tablet. You need only look at the iPad Mini and full size iPad to validate this opinion. However, Google might use that device as further justification to not bother with a 10" device, since 8" is "close enough" and a single tablet could garner more sales.
This seems like a poor decision to me though. As I said, Apple thinks there is good reason to have both 8" and 10" devices in play, and the market agrees with them. 10" tablets are THE next "PC" for average users. They do most things people could want, on a comfortably sized screen, especially when paired with a keyboard. The fact that iPad Airs are flying off shelves and increasingly used in enterprise proves this. If we are really "post-PC" and the iPad's dominance is going unchecked, why would Google give up on this size/form factor? Why not continually update the N10 and pair it with awesome keyboards and office apps to make it a real powerhouse? Samsung gets it and is doing exactly this - it seems Google is happy to let them handle it, despite its huge importance. What if Samsung takes it in a different direction that Google is unhappy with? They've been known to do this before.
Do you agree with this, or do think Google is still committed to the full size market, but just taking their time with an update? Keep in mind the software hints we have seen that indicate they are giving up.
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The original's specs are still great, new tablets are not really surpassing it much if at all, so I don't think it's in dire need of an update.
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The N10.1-14 and Tab|Pro 10.1 run circles around the N10 specs wise.
GPU
The Mali-T628 delivers high performance graphics, achieved by doubling the number of GPU cores, within each core and improving the compiler and pipeline efficiency. It delivers up to 10x the graphics performance of the Mali-400-MP GPU, as well as an increase in GPU Compute performance when compared with the Mali-T604 GPU.
The Mali-T604 GPU delivers up to 5x performance improvement over the Mali-400-MP graphics processor and is scalable up to four cores.
http://mobile.arm.com/products/multimedia/mali-graphics-hardware/mali-t628.php
CPU
Exynos 5420 provides four A15 cores plus the ability to transition to four A7 cores under low/moderate load vs. two A15 cores on Exynos 5250. The former's using a 28nm HKMG die while the latters using the much older 32nm process which is far less energy and heat efficient.
You can look at benchmarks and see that the N10's CPU and GPU are "acceptable" but certainly not contemporary compared to newer Exynos/Mali and S-80X/Adreno SoC's.
Size
Battery Life
The Samsung tablets get better battery life using a smaller and lighter battery. Primarily because of the RGBW display and more energy efficient SoC(s). With the extra white pixel there are still 274 red, green, and blue sub-pixels per inch which wouldn't be indistinguishable compared to the 299 PPI on the N10. The iPad Air has 264 PPI for reference.
TW obviously negates some of the performance benefit because of all the resources it consumes but if you added the same amount of crap to the N10 it's performance would be significantly below the Samsung tablets. Same thing in reverse if you slapped CM or an AOKP ROM on the Samsung tablets. The Xperia Tablet Z 2 is using a S-801 SoC and comes with 3GB of RAM which will actually surpass the performance of the Samsung tablets and even further outperform the N10.
So the N10's had its day in the sun but needs either to be replaced to remain contemporary or marked down considerably in price based on its performance position in the market place.
That's totally true. And we aren't even talking about Snapdragon 800 beast in the market. I like it a lot but it has become quite obsolete (as usuall in Tech market). I think new media contents wont be able to be played fluidly.
The screen ppi is about the best on any tablet and it's running the latest version of Android and apps run without lag so really no need to upgrade.
BarryH_GEG said:
The N10.1-14 and Tab|Pro 10.1 run circles around the N10 specs wise.
GPU
The Mali-T628 delivers high performance graphics, achieved by doubling the number of GPU cores, within each core and improving the compiler and pipeline efficiency. It delivers up to 10x the graphics performance of the Mali-400-MP GPU, as well as an increase in GPU Compute performance when compared with the Mali-T604 GPU.
The Mali-T604 GPU delivers up to 5x performance improvement over the Mali-400-MP graphics processor and is scalable up to four cores.
http://mobile.arm.com/products/multimedia/mali-graphics-hardware/mali-t628.php
CPU
Exynos 5420 provides four A15 cores plus the ability to transition to four A7 cores under low/moderate load vs. two A15 cores on Exynos 5250. The former's using a 28nm HKMG die while the latters using the much older 32nm process which is far less energy and heat efficient.
You can look at benchmarks and see that the N10's CPU and GPU are "acceptable" but certainly not contemporary compared to newer Exynos/Mali and S-80X/Adreno SoC's.
Size
Battery Life
The Samsung tablets get better battery life using a smaller and lighter battery. Primarily because of the RGBW display and more energy efficient SoC(s). With the extra white pixel there are still 274 red, green, and blue sub-pixels per inch which wouldn't be indistinguishable compared to the 299 PPI on the N10. The iPad Air has 264 PPI for reference.
TW obviously negates some of the performance benefit because of all the resources it consumes but if you added the same amount of crap to the N10 it's performance would be significantly below the Samsung tablets. Same thing in reverse if you slapped CM or an AOKP ROM on the Samsung tablets. The Xperia Tablet Z 2 is using a S-801 SoC and comes with 3GB of RAM which will actually surpass the performance of the Samsung tablets and even further outperform the N10.
So the N10's had its day in the sun but needs either to be replaced to remain contemporary or marked down considerably in price based on its performance position in the market place.
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Well its 16 months old now the N10 so what else do you expect. Still a good tablet in my book.
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Warren_Orange said:
Well its 16 months old now the N10 so what else do you expect. Still a good tablet in my book.
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I didn't say it wasn't a "good" tablet; especially for $250 for the 32GB version on eBay. But after 16 months the following statement isn't true. The most unique feature of the N10 was it being the only 2,560x1,600 Android tablet. The 10" Samsung tablets and Asus TF701 both have similar displays now in addition to improving upon every other h/w spec.
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New tablets are not really surpassing it much if at all.
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I think they will put out another. They're development devices so as long as we have ultra high resolution 10+inch tablets there should be a 10 incher from google
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Google provides updates to a device for 18 months, right? So what happens when the N10 hits 18 months, if they have no new N10 out by then?
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Google provides updates to a device for 18 months, right? So what happens when the N10 hits 18 months, if they have no new N10 out by then?
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10" Android tablets, especially high-end versions, have never sold well. At $400+ people (not necessarily XDA'rs) looking for larger format tablets buy iPads. People looking for cheap tablets buy Android (forked and official) which are typically $250 or below and 7-8". The Motorola Zoom was released three years ago in February, 2011. The fact we're still dealing with this speaks volumes about the attention developers pay to 10" tablets with their larger display area and landscape orientation.
Samsung and their zillion dollar marketing budget are making a huge push in the high-end larger format tablet space. And with balls of steel their pricing the 8.4 and 10.1 Pro/Note's at iPad prices and beyond. We'll see if that gets people interested in large Android tablets. If you look at the latest KitKat adoption rate it's below 2%. If you assume most Nexi that were able upgraded that means that of all the Android h/w out there less than 2% are Nexi. If you further assume the N4/5 and N7/N7-13 (both of which emphasize price as much as purity) are the lion's share that doesn't leave many other devices sold. Google may just be taking a pass on a new 10" tablet or letting Samsung prime the pump with their Pro/Note push before they jump back in. The world will survive without a new N10 since they didn't fall all over themselves to buy the first one.
Does not answer my question you've quoted. I'm asking about OTA updates for the current N10 if it hits 18 months and no new N10 is released. Sorry for not mentioning I'm asking regarding OTA updates.
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Does not answer my question you've quoted. I'm asking about OTA updates for the current N10 if it hits 18 months and no new N10 is released. Sorry for not mentioning I'm asking regarding OTA updates.
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I dont think that's any sort of guarantee. Considering how they had to disable features in 4.4.2, I wonder if 4.5 will even make it onto the N10 officially.
BarryH_GEG said:
10" Android tablets, especially high-end versions, have never sold well. At $400+ people (not necessarily XDA'rs) looking for larger format tablets buy iPads. People looking for cheap tablets buy Android (forked and official) which are typically $250 or below and 7-8". The Motorola Zoom was released three years ago in February, 2011. The fact we're still dealing with this speaks volumes about the attention developers pay to 10" tablets with their larger display area and landscape orientation.
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If anything that is MORE reason why Google should focus on this space. Just like they did with the Nexus 7 where they came out with a device that did the 7" form factor right, and it got attention. iPads are THE next "PC". In the future (even now) your average user will have a smartphone or maybe a tablet to use at home, and might not need a Windows/Mac PC at all. If Google doesn't get Android to a dominant position in this space like they've done with phones they will come to regret it. It ties into enterprise adoption, productivity (Google Docs and as an extension Chromebooks), you name it.
BarryH_GEG said:
The N10.1-14 and Tab|Pro 10.1 run circles around the N10 specs wise.
GPU
The Mali-T628 delivers high performance graphics, achieved by doubling the number of GPU cores, within each core and improving the compiler and pipeline efficiency. It delivers up to 10x the graphics performance of the Mali-400-MP GPU, as well as an increase in GPU Compute performance when compared with the Mali-T604 GPU.
The Mali-T604 GPU delivers up to 5x performance improvement over the Mali-400-MP graphics processor and is scalable up to four cores.
http://mobile.arm.com/products/multimedia/mali-graphics-hardware/mali-t628.php
CPU
Exynos 5420 provides four A15 cores plus the ability to transition to four A7 cores under low/moderate load vs. two A15 cores on Exynos 5250. The former's using a 28nm HKMG die while the latters using the much older 32nm process which is far less energy and heat efficient.
You can look at benchmarks and see that the N10's CPU and GPU are "acceptable" but certainly not contemporary compared to newer Exynos/Mali and S-80X/Adreno SoC's.
Size
http://www.flickr.com/photos/b-a-h/11237275726/
Battery Life
The Samsung tablets get better battery life using a smaller and lighter battery. Primarily because of the RGBW display and more energy efficient SoC(s). With the extra white pixel there are still 274 red, green, and blue sub-pixels per inch which wouldn't be indistinguishable compared to the 299 PPI on the N10. The iPad Air has 264 PPI for reference.
TW obviously negates some of the performance benefit because of all the resources it consumes but if you added the same amount of crap to the N10 it's performance would be significantly below the Samsung tablets. Same thing in reverse if you slapped CM or an AOKP ROM on the Samsung tablets. The Xperia Tablet Z 2 is using a S-801 SoC and comes with 3GB of RAM which will actually surpass the performance of the Samsung tablets and even further outperform the N10.
So the N10's had its day in the sun but needs either to be replaced to remain contemporary or marked down considerably in price based on its performance position in the market place.
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None of this refutes my points regarding Google giving up on this space despite all the reasons they should actually increase their efforts in it. And despite the spec bumps you quoted, the N10 is still a super capable and modern tablet. It could stand to be a bit faster (or maybe Android/Chrome just better optimized for Exynos), and better in-use battery life is always welcome, but that's about it. Just sitting there my N10 will only lose 1-2% over the course of a whole day idle.
I could never get used to the ten inch Android form factor. Too awkward to hold IMO either landscape or portrait. And the dimensions at that size just look odd when viewing the screen for anything but videos. Bought a N10 and returned it days later. That said the Samsung Note 8 is ergonomically excellent and great for viewing in portrait mode. Just needs higher resolution and it would have it all. But I like mine all the same. Still I need a large format tablet which is why I own the iPad Air. Tremendously light and has an excellent screen. They chopped the bezel size which makes it feel small but they didn't shrink the screen. This really is a killer pad just from a hardware technical perspective. On the other hand, don't like the iOS but what can you do. Android really needs to change the ten inch form factor.
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As we know, Google has not released a new Nexus 10, well over a year after the original's release. The original's specs are still great, new tablets are not really surpassing it much if at all, so I don't think it's in dire need of an update, but it's still unusual to see that much time go by without an update for a product a company is still interested in.
Then in the code, we have two solid hints that Google no longer cares about the 10" form factor. The first obvious one is the Settings menu in KitKat, with two-pane UI removed. The second hint now comes with the official launch of the Google Now Launcher. We see that GNL only does 6 columns on Nexus 10, same as Nexus 7. Google could've easily bumped this to 8 like with the stock launcher, but didn't bother.
Then there are Nexus 8 rumors. To me 8" is still too small and is noticeably smaller than a 10" tablet. You need only look at the iPad Mini and full size iPad to validate this opinion. However, Google might use that device as further justification to not bother with a 10" device, since 8" is "close enough" and a single tablet could garner more sales.
This seems like a poor decision to me though. As I said, Apple thinks there is good reason to have both 8" and 10" devices in play, and the market agrees with them. 10" tablets are THE next "PC" for average users. They do most things people could want, on a comfortably sized screen, especially when paired with a keyboard. The fact that iPad Airs are flying off shelves and increasingly used in enterprise proves this. If we are really "post-PC" and the iPad's dominance is going unchecked, why would Google give up on this size/form factor? Why not continually update the N10 and pair it with awesome keyboards and office apps to make it a real powerhouse? Samsung gets it and is doing exactly this - it seems Google is happy to let them handle it, despite its huge importance. What if Samsung takes it in a different direction that Google is unhappy with? They've been known to do this before.
Do you agree with this, or do think Google is still committed to the full size market, but just taking their time with an update? Keep in mind the software hints we have seen that indicate they are giving up.
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I agree with you in that I highly doubt there will ever be a 2nd gen Nexus 10. This is actually what pushed me to finally order my new N10 last week. I've always wanted one, but couldn't justify paying $500 for a 32GB when it first came out. I had an HP TouchPad at the time running CM that was able to hold me over for a while. Then, after buying my N5, the speed (or lack thereof) of the TouchPad was really starting to make itself evident. I lucked out and scored a 32GB N7 (2013) from Staples for $170 back in January, and it's a great tablet, but I was really missing the 10" screen. So last week, when I saw a deal (shout out to Slickdeals!) for a brand new 32GB N10 for $300, I had to jump on it. Yeah, it's over a year old, and it doesn't have the fastest specs compared to today's standards, but I didn't buy it run benchmarks on it. I don't even really play intense games either. My main uses are web-browsing, productivity apps and media consumption (mainly Blu-ray MKVs). And, obviously, since it's a Nexus, I can tinker to my heart's content.
One can easily say the Note 10.1 (2014) and Tab Pro 10.1 have better specs, but they both come running TouchWiz (which is a HUGE negative for me). Plus, I doubt development for either of these will ever come close to what the N10 has. My disdain for TouchWiz makes this decision even easier when looking at the prices of these tablets. With the 32GB Note 10.1 (2014) going for $550, and the 16GB Galaxy Tab Pro 10.1 (no 32GB option available) going for $450 (prices according to Amazon), I see a brand new 32GB N10 for $300 as nothing less than a no-brainer.
To wrap it up, even though Google may not be coming out with a new Nexus 10, I still feel comfortable buying one since the price is great, and I can see development continuing for this tablet for a good while. And worst-case scenario, if Google does come out with a new N10, I'll just sell my current one for an upgrade. If they don't, then I'll be glad I picked one up before it became unavailable.
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I could never get used to the ten inch Android form factor. Too awkward to hold IMO either landscape or portrait. And the dimensions at that size just look odd when viewing the screen for anything but videos. Bought a N10 and returned it days later. That said the Samsung Note 8 is ergonomically excellent and great for viewing in portrait mode. Just needs higher resolution and it would have it all. But I like mine all the same. Still I need a large format tablet which is why I own the iPad Air. Tremendously light and has an excellent screen. They chopped the bezel size which makes it feel small but they didn't shrink the screen. This really is a killer pad just from a hardware technical perspective. On the other hand, don't like the iOS but what can you do. Android really needs to change the ten inch form factor.
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Yep, iOS is a huge bore, but you're right that the iPad hardware can't be beat. I don't mind the Nexus 10 form factor, but I do think the 4:3 iPad is a little more manageable and Android should try out that aspect ratio, I don't know why they've always only done 16:9.
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I agree with you in that I highly doubt there will ever be a 2nd gen Nexus 10. This is actually what pushed me to finally order my new N10 last week. I've always wanted one, but couldn't justify paying $500 for a 32GB when it first came out. I had an HP TouchPad at the time running CM that was able to hold me over for a while. Then, after buying my N5, the speed (or lack thereof) of the TouchPad was really starting to make itself evident. I lucked out and scored a 32GB N7 (2013) from Staples for $170 back in January, and it's a great tablet, but I was really missing the 10" screen. So last week, when I saw a deal (shout out to Slickdeals!) for a brand new 32GB N10 for $300, I had to jump on it. Yeah, it's over a year old, and it doesn't have the fastest specs compared to today's standards, but I didn't buy it run benchmarks on it. I don't even really play intense games either. My main uses are web-browsing, productivity apps and media consumption (mainly Blu-ray MKVs). And, obviously, since it's a Nexus, I can tinker to my heart's content.
One can easily say the Note 10.1 (2014) and Tab Pro 10.1 have better specs, but they both come running TouchWiz (which is a HUGE negative for me). Plus, I doubt development for either of these will ever come close to what the N10 has. My disdain for TouchWiz makes this decision even easier when looking at the prices of these tablets. With the 32GB Note 10.1 (2014) going for $550, and the 16GB Galaxy Tab Pro 10.1 (no 32GB option available) going for $450 (prices according to Amazon), I see a brand new 32GB N10 for $300 as nothing less than a no-brainer.
To wrap it up, even though Google may not be coming out with a new Nexus 10, I still feel comfortable buying one since the price is great, and I can see development continuing for this tablet for a good while. And worst-case scenario, if Google does come out with a new N10, I'll just sell my current one for an upgrade. If they don't, then I'll be glad I picked one up before it became unavailable.
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Agree with all your points, the N10's specs have aged pretty well especially considering the speed at which Android moves. I bought mine at launch and it runs KitKat swiftly enough. I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't get any updates post KitKat but I'll just throw CM on it then. I agree Samsung's software is still a turn-off, if it wasn't for that (and the prices) the new Samsung tablets would be more of a consideration.
Either way, though, Google does use Nexus to push their own experience (especially with the Nexus 5), and for this reason and considering the importance of the full-size tablet market, I don't see how they can logically abandon it.
Google is notorious for dropping hardware and software that don't meet expected numbers.
As for people talking about hardware updates needed and how other tablets have the latest and greatest.
None of it really matters. The general consumer isn't going to notice a increase in performance from a nexus 10 to a figurative nexus 10v2.
It literally does not matter. What matters is the software that runs the tablet and the display it comes on. The end user will be more likely to upgrade their tablet for the best software implementation and UI over tech specs they don't understand. Samsung has got this down with all their spiffy software. They still have the best hardware but none of it is really mentioned because the target audience doesn't care. The tech specs are reserved for the geeks and power users.
From my perspective no amount of hardware updates will justify upgrading from the nexus 10 as it has one of the best display resolutions and the hardware to run it flawlessly. What is a bump up in ghz going to achieve for what I use my tablet for? Or an updated gpu for games I don't play?
I suppose it matters what you use your tablet for but my guess is the majority of users use it for Web browsing and watching videos in HD which the n10 does spectacularly. I don't game on mine but when I do I have no issues with it. I also find that the more complex a game is on a tablet, the less enjoyable it is. Games like angry birds is fun as it's intuitive of tablets. Anything FPS related and such is a pain. I have my extremely expensive desktop for those kinds of games.
So in conclusion my best theory is that Google did not meet their quota for the nexus 10, there isn't a high enough demand unlike their phone products, and unless they can find an actual reason to update their device, I. E. New android software that requires a certain hardware upgrades to use, they're going to be content with a device that companies are still competing with over a year later. The very fact that the nexus 10 still reigns at the top with new tablets being put into the market should say a lot about the thought that went into the n10.
If someone can explain in depth what another similar 10" tablet can do better than the nexus 10 because of hardware superiority I will retract my statement.
The only thing I can think of that would justify a new n10 is if it had native 3d vision support since it's an entertainment device. That's the only thing this device can't do that I can think of at the moment.
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Ditto...
Proud owner of the Nexus10
You couldnt have explained That any better
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Darnell_Chat_TN said:
Does not answer my question you've quoted. I'm asking about OTA updates for the current N10 if it hits 18 months and no new N10 is released. Sorry for not mentioning I'm asking regarding OTA updates.
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Still running my N10 I got when they first came out. As far as OTA updates go it's anyboy's guess if/and/or when an update for KitKat will come for the device. KitKat runs great on this device, even in it's stock form. Throw a custom on it and it's even better. I have compared mine to a couple of friend's newer tabs running stock KitKat. Runs just as good if not better in some cases even with it's "OLD" specs.
Just my opinion and input.
I'm still using my n10. I would love to upgrade, but there just isn't anything that makes me want to spend the money. The samsung tabs are laggy. The Asus tabs are buggy. The apple tabs are... apple.
Hello everyone,
Sorry for pretty dumb question, but i hope you could give me advice! I'll explain my situation a bit, i currently own 10" Chinese Onda tablet, performance is pretty awful, battery life also (~1 hr of reading/browsing can drain 40%), i use it mainly for browsing and reading because gaming is impossible (from one side it is good, because i can spend more time with my family ) ) i never take it out, mainly because of battery life..
So from one side i can live with it with my needs like reading, books and browsing, from the other side it lag's like hell, crashes and battery, well as i said...
So i tried to look for some more descent alternative (one of it could be eReader, but then i still would need another device for lazy browsing or some apps, so i'am more on the tablet side). So i checked what is on the market today and i could get Nexus 9 16 GB for about 300 EUR on Amazon. And as BlackFriday is landing i'am hoping for some discounts, so i'am wandering, should i grab Nexus 9 if it would be available for let's say 250 EUR? What concerns' me is how future proof will it be? Dual-core + 2GB ram seems to be pretty low for today. What i like that it is supported both by Google bot Custom ROM's, so while it is popular device it will have at least some support. But maybe it is too late to buy one today and be patient and wait for future device?
I don't feel like paying more than 300 EUR in any case for tablet, though i could afford it i just don't justify it as proper "investment"
So, that it! Thans for your help and opinion.
UPD: What about new NVIDIA SHIELD K1? What is your opinion, seems like super deal for 200EUR? Maybe except screen size and aspect ratio.
300 Euros is way too expensive for this tablet. Even 250 is too much. If this tablet had a Nexus 5 level of speed and smoothness, it would be worth it. Unfortunately, on stock, it doesn't. As they haven't sorted it out properly in a year now, I don't think they ever will. :crying:
In the UK at the moment, Argos are selling the 16GB version for £150. This is a more reasonable price.
If you are on a budget, I'd also consider the LG V500. Its still on 4.4.2, but the performance is great and it has an SD Card slot. If you know where to look, you can pick one up for £100/145 Euro. the V510 from the US is even better. :victory:
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300 Euros is way too expensive for this tablet. Even 250 is too much. If this tablet had a Nexus 5 level of speed and smoothness, it would be worth it. Unfortunately, on stock, it doesn't. As they haven't sorted it out properly in a year now, I don't think they ever will. :crying:
In the UK at the moment, Argos are selling the 16GB version for £150. This is a more reasonable price.
If you are on a budget, I'd also consider the LG V500. Its still on 4.4.2, but the performance is great and it has an SD Card slot. If you know where to look, you can pick one up for £100/145 Euro. the V510 from the US is even better. :victory:
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Hi, thanks for your input. I can't find any deal at Argos for £150 :/ About LG, i don't like ones that drop support for their devices.
What everyone think about new NVIDIA SHIELD K1? It will have Marshmallow, 3D performance should be awesome, also i should be able to utilize my GTX 970 here, and it cost £150, only downside for me is screen size, but it is just IMHO, i never used such aspect ratio.
NoOneLt said:
Hi, thanks for your input. I can't find any deal at Argos for £150 :/ About LG, i don't like ones that drop support for their devices.
What everyone think about new NVIDIA SHIELD K1? It will have Marshmallow, 3D performance should be awesome, also i should be able to utilize my GTX 970 here, and it cost £150, only downside for me is screen size, but it is just IMHO, i never used such aspect ratio.
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Yes I take your point regarding LG. If you could get a V510, its a GPE device making it almost Nexus.
I cant comment on the Nvidia shield. It does seem strange to me however that the original Nexus 7 had memory issues and the Nexus 9 has memory issues. The both used Nvidia SoC as oppose to Snapdragon. Maybe just a coincidence? I've never had any issues with devices using SD SoC.
Masteryates said:
Yes I take your point regarding LG. If you could get a V510, its a GPE device making it almost Nexus.
I cant comment on the Nvidia shield. It does seem strange to me however that the original Nexus 7 had memory issues and the Nexus 9 has memory issues. The both used Nvidia SoC as oppose to Snapdragon. Maybe just a coincidence? I've never had any issues with devices using SD SoC.
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V510 from US would cost around 200EUR, and GPE seems to be dead already
New shield seems very interesting device... My hands are itching
I like the Nex9.
I bought the 32GB for $305 shipped and got a nice $12 case, so basically $320 total and I am very pleased. I was mainly concerned with battery life as I like to sometimes leave it alone for 3-4 days and want to have a charge.
I am on Pure Nexus ROM, but even on stock mra58n build I was able to leave it overnight and only lose 3-4% battery. So I can leave it around for say 5 days and still have at least 70% battery.
I get around 6 hours SOT so far from my use but I've only had it a short while so I expect it to only get better as it calibrates.
It has its faults, and something better I am sure may be on the way, but you may find a great deal on black Friday and I would jump on it.
When I saw the 40% off from HTC I did and am glad I did.
Best of luck.
I was a frustrated N9 owner until MM. I still can't believe it! The lag has not returned as it always had within a month of each of my six wipes over the past 10 mos. I tried DU and ran Elementalx. Lag remained and reboots (up to 3x daily) continued. Each flash was a complete wipe. Chrome (I use beta) is still a battery hog--probably what causes the heat, but it's my choice to use it. My tab works the way it always should have. I'm running xposed with gravity box. Everything is running well. For the first time, I can recommend this tablet--especially if you can grab the next HTC 40% off deal over Thanksgiving.
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