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Hey everybody..
I have decided to buy new phone and I've shortlisted down to HTC One X+, Sony Xperia T and LG Nexus 4
If there's another I should consider please let me know
As u know,
HTC One X+ has a 1.7GHz quad core tegra 3 processor with a 1GB RAM
Sony Xperia T has a dual core 1.5GHz Krait with a 1GB RAM
LG Nexus 4 has a 1.6GHz Quad core Krait with 2GB RAM
I know the nexus seems to be the obvious choice when it comes to performance but I'm not familiar with LG's build quality. Also, the phone is expected to be not more than 350USD which in itself makes me doubt the quality.
People with knowledge about the hardware please help me out here.. I'm spending a lot of money and want to make sure i don't make the wrong choice.
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Also considering the LG Optimus G now coz the reviews r pretty good
LG isn't as bad as ppl think it is. Nexus products are undoubtedly good.
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AdX9170 said:
Hey everybody..
I have decided to buy new phone and I've shortlisted down to HTC One X+, Sony Xperia T and LG Nexus 4
If there's another I should consider please let me know
As u know,
HTC One X+ has a 1.7GHz quad core tegra 3 processor with a 1GB RAM
Sony Xperia T has a dual core 1.5GHz Krait with a 1GB RAM
LG Nexus 4 has a 1.6GHz Quad core Krait with 2GB RAM
I know the nexus seems to be the obvious choice when it comes to performance but I'm not familiar with LG's build quality. Also, the phone is expected to be not more than 350USD which in itself makes me doubt the quality.
People with knowledge about the hardware please help me out here.. I'm spending a lot of money and want to make sure i don't make the wrong choice.
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galaxy nexus was $399.
do you doubt its build quality?
http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/29/google-nexus-4-hands-on/
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galaxy nexus was $399.
do you doubt its build quality?
http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/29/google-nexus-4-hands-on/
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well the nexus 4 has a quad core krait at 1.6GHz and a 2GB RAM.. i mean the best u can get for that price now is a 1GHz dual core with max 1GB RAM..
so i'm not sure how to believe the build quality
Google Nexus 4 is the best. I have a htc one x now and I will sell it and buy a google nexus 4.
leventccc said:
Google Nexus 4 is the best. I have a htc one x now and I will sell it and buy a google nexus 4.
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give me ur opinion once u get nexus 4
AdX9170 said:
give me ur opinion once u get nexus 4
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Here is a comparison.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AsedG9trZ9updHhycDlGdGFsaEw2NXB3elBhN1pkWVE&output=html
But the Main drawback of nexus is it does not have a sd card slot if storage not an issue for you then nexus is an option.. I think it will available in 8 and 16 GB ..please correct me if I am wrong..
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for me its best wait another bit because i think google will do like with nexus 7.now lg nexus 8\16,then after a month,2 or 3,also upper storage at a bit more price..just my suggestion,but i seriously think they will do so.Anyways,in that comparison,lg nexus 4 all the way.at least also the sony,but man,a nexus is a nexus!in 2016 probably you will have in this day upcoming the android 8.0 for lg nexus 4.think of it
the hardware matters more to me.. u can always get a custom rom but u cant change the hardware.. and also, im not considering ne phone bigger than 4.7 inches.. so nexus 7 is outta the picture.. so is note 2.
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Here is a comparison.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AsedG9trZ9updHhycDlGdGFsaEw2NXB3elBhN1pkWVE&output=html
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i was talking abt the one x+.. it has a faster gpu, cpu and also has a 2100mAh battery.. but yea anyway nexus 4 seems better.. but the storage is an issue
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i was talking abt the one x+.. it has a faster gpu, cpu and also has a 2100mAh battery.. but yea anyway nexus 4 seems better.. but the storage is an issue
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Yeah, I pretty much agree. Nexus 4 is such a beast spec wise and such a great deal for the price, but the storage is an absolutely huge downside unfortunately.
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Yeah, I pretty much agree. Nexus 4 is such a beast spec wise and such a great deal for the price, but the storage is an absolutely huge downside unfortunately.
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If HTC or Sony come out with a quad core krait phone il b the first one to buy it
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I've be thinking myself about getting either the Nexus 4 of the HTC One X+ (I'm not considering the Sony phone).
First, keep in mind that the reason the Nexus 4 is so inexpensive, for an unlocked phone, is because Google is deliberately selling it at cost (as a sort of loss leader) to get people into their cloud services and ecosystem. They're also trying to entice people into unlocked devices and do an end run around the carriers and all their demands. And, since this is the developer phone, Google has an interest in making it appealing for developers to purchase and, well, develop apps for Android. So the cost is not a reflection of the quality of the phone. It's a choice by Google to sell the phone cheaply. Lastly, flash storage is super expensive and Google has put very little into this device (16GB max), so that big shortcoming also helps keep the cost down (the HTC One X+ will have either twice, 32GB, or four times, 64GB, as much storage).
That aside, I've been reading a lot of reviews of the Nexus 4 (Engadget, Wired, Tech Crunch, The Verge, Slashgear, Gizmodo--perhaps a couple others I don't remember off hand). I really want to love the Nexus 4, but it has a lot of shortcomings.
Obviously it does not have LTE, which does not make it very future proof. And it offers max only 16GB of storage, with no SD card.
Despite having the latest greatest quad-core processor out there, a number of reviews have benchmarked the phone and show it gets scores not as good previous generation phones (like the original HTC One X beats it). That makes no sense. Perhaps it's a software issue that will be corrected before release, but you might want to wait and see.
Another weird problem is that a number of reviewers have found it's battery life to be poor. Engadget called it "pathetic." This is despite the fact that it has a large 2100 mAh battery (same as in the One X+) and a new supposedly more efficient processor, yet it doesn't even get as good battery life as the orginal One X with a smaller battery and a less efficient processor.
The camera on the Nexus 4 is also supposed to be passable, but not great. A step up form the poor cameras in previous Nexus devices, but definitely not as good as flagship devices like the Galaxy SIII and the One X/X+ (or the amazing Nokia Lumia 920).
Another issue, for me, is the glass back. I feel like, didn't we already learn from the iPhone 4 that glass backs are a bad idea? Isn't this something just waiting to break? The reviewer at The Verge already cracked the glass back on his review unit, when he accidentally knocked the phone off of a table onto a hardwood floor. And the reviewer at Tech Crunch said that the smooth back of the phone makes it want to slide, a couple times taking off when he placed it on a surface that was more slanted than he expected. So the back is prone to breaking and also makes the phone want to slide away. Not a good combination.
A number of reviewers have also said the the volume in the earpiece is low and it can be difficult to hear callers in noisy environments. Although other reviewers said there is plenty of volume. And a couple reviewers note that the prefectly flat back of the phone means that when you put it down, the speaker is covered and this muffles sound (the ringer, any audio you might be playing).
Several reviewers have also said that the IPS LCD screen has washed out colors or a slightly blue/cool tint. They say the screen is amazing and amongst the best, but not as good as the similar technology based screen in the One X+.
So when it comes down to it, I have the impression that the Nexus 4 isn't quite up to the standards of other true flagship phones, like the One X+. It falls a little short in too many places. The only places where it really stands out are the latest and greatest processor (though it's not clear the OS has been properly optimized for it), 2GB of RAM, and it's a pure Android phone.
I think the reason to get the Nexus 4 is either because you want a pure Android unlocked phone (which certainly appeals to me) or because it's a good deal for an unlocked phone.
But otherwise the One X+ has a better screen, a sturdier and for some more appealing design (with its solid carbonate shell), better audio quality, better cpu benchmarks, better battery life, much more internal storage, a better camera, and LTE (depending on what model you get). And hopefully eventually you could put Cyanogen or another custom ROM on it and have a pure Android experience anyway. As you note the Optimus G could also be an option, but it's not a phone that appeals to me.
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I've be thinking myself about getting either the Nexus 4 of the HTC One X+ (I'm not considering the Sony phone).
First, keep in mind that the reason the Nexus 4 is so inexpensive, for an unlocked phone, is because Google is deliberately selling it at cost (as a sort of loss leader) to get people into their cloud services and ecosystem. They're also trying to entice people into unlocked devices and do an end run around the carriers and all their demands. And, since this is the developer phone, Google has an interest in making it appealing for developers to purchase and, well, develop apps for Android. So the cost is not a reflection of the quality of the phone. It's a choice by Google to sell the phone cheaply. Lastly, flash storage is super expensive and Google has put very little into this device (16GB max), so that big shortcoming also helps keep the cost down (the HTC One X+ will have either twice, 32GB, or four times, 64GB, as much storage).
That aside, I've been reading a lot of reviews of the Nexus 4 (Engadget, Wired, Tech Crunch, The Verge, Slashgear, Gizmodo--perhaps a couple others I don't remember off hand). I really want to love the Nexus 4, but it has a lot of shortcomings.
Obviously it does not have LTE, which does not make it very future proof. And it offers max only 16GB of storage, with no SD card.
Despite having the latest greatest quad-core processor out there, a number of reviews have benchmarked the phone and show it gets scores not as good previous generation phones (like the original HTC One X beats it). That makes no sense. Perhaps it's a software issue that will be corrected before release, but you might want to wait and see.
Another weird problem is that a number of reviewers have found it's battery life to be poor. Engadget called it "pathetic." This is despite the fact that it has a large 2100 mAh battery (same as in the One X+) and a new supposedly more efficient processor, yet it doesn't even get as good battery life as the orginal One X with a smaller battery and a less efficient processor.
The camera on the Nexus 4 is also supposed to be passable, but not great. A step up form the poor cameras in previous Nexus devices, but definitely not as good as flagship devices like the Galaxy SIII and the One X/X+ (or the amazing Nokia Lumia 920).
Another issue, for me, is the glass back. I fee like, didn't we already learn from the iPhone 4 that glass backs are a bad idea? Isn't this something just waiting to break? The reviewer at The Verge already cracked the glass back on his review unit, when he accidentally knocked the phone off of a table onto a hardwood floor. And the reviewer at Tech Crunch said that the smooth back of the phone makes it want to slide, a couple times taking off when he placed it on a surface that was more slanted than he expected. So the back is prone to breaking and also makes the phone want to slide away. Not a good combination.
A number reviewers have also said the the volume in the earpiece is low and it can be difficult to hear callers in noisy environments. Although other reviewers said their is plenty of volume. And a couple reviewers note that the prefectly flat back of the phone means that when you put it down, the speaker is covered and this muffles sound (the ringer, any audio you might be playing).
Several reviewers have also said that the IPS LCD screen has washed out colors or a slightly blue/cool tint. They say the screen is amazing and amongst the best, but not as good as the similar technology based screen in the One X+.
So when it comes down to it, I have the impression that the Nexus 4 isn't quite up to the standards of other true flagship phones, like the One X+. It falls a little short in too many places. The only places where it really stands out are the latest a greatest processor (though it's not clear the OS has been properly optimized for it), 2GB of RAM, and it's a pure Android phone.
I think the reason to get the Nexus 4 is either because you want a pure Android unlocked phone (which certainly appeals to me) or because it's a good deal for an unlocked phone.
But otherwise the One X+ has a better screen, a sturdier and for some more appealing design (with its solid carbonite shell), better audio quality, better cpu benchmarks, better battery life, much more internal storage, a better camera, and LTE (depending on what model you get). And hopefully eventually you could put Cyanogen or another custom ROM on it and have a pure Android experience anyway. As you note the Optimus G could also be an option, but it's not a phone that appeals to me.
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Thanks for the in depth opinion ok so then nexus 4 is off my list.. what abt optimus g v.s. one x+?
i'm leaning towards the s4 pro chipset.. each core of the krait can be independently clocked at a particular frequency.. thats gotta increase efficiency right??
plus adreno 320 is a helluva lot faster than its predecessors and supposedly quite a bit faster than the competition..
the only prob for me is that the optimus is coming out in india only by jan '13 im not sure if its worth the wait.. any ideas on that?
The software on the nexus 4 isn't the final version, so wait until the consumer version comes out!
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AdX9170 said:
Thanks for the in depth opinion ok so then nexus 4 is off my list.. what abt optimus g v.s. one x+?
i'm leaning towards the s4 pro chipset.. each core of the krait can be independently clocked at a particular frequency.. thats gotta increase efficiency right??
plus adreno 320 is a helluva lot faster than its predecessors and supposedly quite a bit faster than the competition..
the only prob for me is that the optimus is coming out in india only by jan '13 im not sure if its worth the wait.. any ideas on that?
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I'd get the One X+. It's really a joy to hold, looks great, and already has a massive development community.
AdX9170 said:
Thanks for the in depth opinion ok so then nexus 4 is off my list.. what abt optimus g v.s. one x+?
i'm leaning towards the s4 pro chipset.. each core of the krait can be independently clocked at a particular frequency.. thats gotta increase efficiency right??
plus adreno 320 is a helluva lot faster than its predecessors and supposedly quite a bit faster than the competition..
the only prob for me is that the optimus is coming out in india only by jan '13 im not sure if its worth the wait.. any ideas on that?
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I wouldn't totally write off the Nexus 4 yet. I'm still considering it. Partly because it is a very good deal, for an unlocked phone. The One X+ or Xperia T and Optimus G will probably cost almost twice as much, unlocked.
And I think devgee is correct that the review units for the Nexus 4 did not have the final consumer version of the software on them yet. This might address the battery life and cpu benchmark issues. (It's unfortunate the reviews get published on devices that aren't really what will ship, because any improvements or changes can get overlooked later. I don't know if these reviewers will go back and retest the device.)
For me, it's the minimal storage on the Nexus 4 that makes me hesitate the most, but maybe I can learn to live with it.
If you like the Optimus G, it's definitely worth considering, since it doesn't have the storage limitations of the Nexus 4, and it tested well for battery life and in the cpu benchmarks. And some versions have a higher resolution 13MP camera. But you give up the pure Android experience. And as James.UBC points out, I don't know that it will have as many custom ROM options as the One X+. I don't really like the design of the Optimus G, but that is entirely a superficial reason not to get it and only my personal taste. Some people think it looks great.
I agree that it would be nice to have the S4 Pro chipset. You can also get this in the Asus Padfone 2, which is a cool phone. It also has 2GB of RAM, the Adreno 320, LTE (for certain frequencies), a 2140 mAh battery, and 16/32/64GB storage options. Plus there's the tablet attachement, if you're into that. Its big downside is that it may have no custom ROMs for it at all, if you want that. I think the original Padfone had basically no development. It's a bit puzzling, because this is a cool phone.
I also agree with James.UBC that the One X+ has a great design. To me its main downsides are that it will be much more expensive than the Nexus 4, unlocked (probably $600US or more). And I don't know if it will have an unlocked bootloader, depending on which version I want to get. And even if it does, I'll have to wait for the development community to catch up and release a ROM that will give me a stock-like Android experience (I don't like Sense). And of course, it has a very good CPU, but one from the previous generation of architecture. I tend to keep my phones for a while, so something that is as future proof as possible is good for me.
Anyway, I recommend that you read reviews of the devices you're interested in on the sites I mentioned in my first post and search around for other reviews. Reviews are easy to find and you get a sense pretty quickly of how thoughtful and knowledgeable the reviewer is. Then keep an eye out in the reviews for comments about the features that matter to you and any problems mentioned. I wouldn't take any one particular review as necessarily right. But if you read several, you start to get a feel for what the issues are.
In the end, you probably can't go wrong with any of these devices either. It really comes down to a matter of personal taste and which features are most important to you. No one device is the best one for everybody.
Thanks a lot cb474.. for me, storage is very important and so is camera.. price comes later in the priority list.. development is also important..
nexus 4 will only have 11~12GB of user available space.. on my x10, i have a 16GB microsd with an ext3 partition of ~700MB which is almost full.. in spite of that i have used up more than 11GB on the sd so i dont think 11GB overall free mem will b enough for me
so my options should be the optimus g (which has an average camera), one x+ (has old generation hardware), xperia t (has dual core with only 1GB ram)... arggghhh!!!
padphone 2 is also gr8 but if theres no dev on it then i'm not willing to go for it
ok this thread has reached a dead end for now.. will wait for the said phones to release and get better reviews..
thanks folks!!
Yeah, it's a hard decision to make. I remain torn between the Nexus 4 and One X+. I care about storage too. 16GB is just a little paltry, for the reasons you point out. At least 32GB would have been nice. Some people think there's a chance there will be a refresh of the Nexus 4 in a few months, with more storage. But I've learned my lesson in the past, about waiting around for rumored and speculated phones.
I'm also a little concerned about the mediocre battery life the Nexus 4 is currently getting, although it's with pre-release software. I'm a bit in a wait and see mode on that.
I agree that as nice as the Padfone 2 is, without development, it's ruled out for me. I presonally would not consider the Sony because of the dual core processor.
It's true the One X+ has a previous generation hardware, but only six months ago it was cutting edge, so I feel like it's splitting hairs a bit. On the other hand, if gaming is important to you the newer generation cpu and gpu in the Nexus 4/Optimus G will make a difference. The bigger long term (future proof) limitation of the One X+, to me, is the 1GB or RAM. But I think it's still a nice phone worth considering.
Still, as I said, if you like the Optimus G, it seems like a good choice. Yeah the One X+ camera hardware is better, it's software is supposed to have a slightly annoying continuous autofocus function. But on some level all these phones are good enough. The great phone cameras are in the Nokia phones, the Lumia 920 and the 808 Pureview. Unless that's super imporant to you, I think it may not be the most important point for the decision.
Good luck in deciding. I'm waiting for more reviews too.
Hi, I am looking for a highen tablet and the two that are considered the "best" are the Google Nexus 10 and the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1. 60% of the time that I will be using this tablet is going to be for android app development and quick reference, ie googling a question. The other 40% is mostly going to be used for school and sometimes games . Any ideas which one I should get? Thanks.
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Hi, I am looking for a highen tablet and the two that are considered the "best" are the Google Nexus 10 and the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1. 60% of the time that I will be using this tablet is going to be for android app development and quick reference, ie googling a question. The other 40% is mostly going to be used for school and sometimes games . Any ideas which one I should get? Thanks.
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Unless you really need the wacom tablet features, for you I'd say the Nexus 10 without any hesitation. The Nexus line has developers as a target audience, and it'll be faster to get Android updates. As far as 10" tablets go, there simply is no better option for development. The higher resolution screen and A15 processor also make it more future proof than the Note 10.1.
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Hi, I am looking for a highen tablet and the two that are considered the "best" are the Google Nexus 10 and the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1. 60% of the time that I will be using this tablet is going to be for android app development and quick reference, ie googling a question. The other 40% is mostly going to be used for school and sometimes games . Any ideas which one I should get? Thanks.
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nexus 10
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As long as you posted it in the n10 forum all the comments will say buy n10 because they already prefered it over other devices, same will happen when you post in the note forum , so the best way to know is to try both by yourself and decide, both are the best in market btw so don't go for anything other than them
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I can't really tell you which is better because both are "good" tablets. Neither is great in my opinion, though for me, I preferred the nexus 10 over the note 10.1 (and I own a note phone).
Reasons: Nexus 10 resolution is fantastic but the contrast compared to a superAMOLED screen is pittiful. Nexus 10 displays blacks like greys. Still, the resolution makes up for it because even with my eyeball one inch from the screen, I cannot see a pixel.
Another negative that nexus is probably not so good for developing is 4.2.1. At least half my apps crash on the nexus, or are simply not optimized for the crazy high resolution. While developing for 4.2.1 would be smart, keep in mind that most devices are still on ICS or gingerbread still. When I go to an app in the market half of the 1 star reviews are from people saying it crashes on xxx device running 4.0/2.3 android.
So pick you poison. Luckily the note 10.1 can be found on "deals" for less than the $500+ nexus 10.
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I can't really tell you which is better because both are "good" tablets. Neither is great in my opinion, though for me, I preferred the nexus 10 over the note 10.1 (and I own a note phone).
Reasons: Nexus 10 resolution is fantastic but the contrast compared to a superAMOLED screen is pittiful. Nexus 10 displays blacks like greys. Still, the resolution makes up for it because even with my eyeball one inch from the screen, I cannot see a pixel.
Another negative that nexus is probably not so good for developing is 4.2.1. At least half my apps crash on the nexus, or are simply not optimized for the crazy high resolution. While developing for 4.2.1 would be smart, keep in mind that most devices are still on ICS or gingerbread still. When I go to an app in the market half of the 1 star reviews are from people saying it crashes on xxx device running 4.0/2.3 android.
So pick you poison. Luckily the note 10.1 can be found on "deals" for less than the $500+ nexus 10.
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I pretty agree with this, but my apps don't crash on 4.2.1, none, and nexus 10 costs 400$ and 500$, not only 500$.
I would go for the nexus 10. Better screen, better support, fast updates, and no stupid Samsung UI. Oh and the nexus has one of the newest exynos processors.
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no stupid Samsung UI.
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The "pure Google" thing is getting funny. What could possibly be better about having less features rather than more? Back in the days of 512K of RAM when SoCs were slow and overlays crude, poor performance drove people to AOSP/AOKP and de-bloated custom ROMs. That's not really the case anymore. The h/w is now more capable than the UI and apps running on it.
I played with a friend’s N10 over the holidays and, feature wise, it was a barren wasteland compared to the Note. The phone UI on a 10" tablet is bizarre. Similarly he was amazed at what the Note could do that his N10 couldn't. The N10 has a faster SoC than the Note but when you factor in the PPI it's pushing and that memory bandwidth is hard-partitioned to support the display it's certainly not any faster. And with app incompatibility because of the resolution some apps behave poorly or don’t work at all.
The Note has IO accessories available to match the N10's ports, takes up to a 64GB exFAT SD card for expansion, has an IR port, larger speakers than the N10, and gets significantly better battery life and charges 1/3 faster. It also doesn't have light bleed. Without question the N10 will get updates ten times faster than the Note. But so what, it'll still do 1/3 of the things the Note can do right now. It'll just be Google's barren OS with updates. I've disabled Google Now because I don't use any of their native apps that it depends on to harvest data and for some reason it thinks I work at a McDonalds because I stop at one frequently. As a value-priced consumption device with a great display the N10's a solid choice. For people interested in creating and managing content the Note's a better choice. Its 147PPI display is fine for pics and videos and doesn't require upscaling like the N10's display does. It's obviously not as good for text and computer generated content like the UI and that's a compromise you have to make to get the additional features. So for people looking for something beyond consumption I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the Note. It's already sold 5MM units and I'd be surprised based on its limited distribution if the N10's sold 1MM.
OP, if the things in this video mean anything to you consider the Note. If all you care about is consumption and the display the N10's a better choice.
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The "pure Google" thing is getting funny. What could possibly be better about having less features rather than more? Back in the days of 512K of RAM when SoCs were slow and overlays crude, poor performance drove people to AOSP/AOKP and de-bloated custom ROMs. That's not really the case anymore. The h/w is now more capable than the UI and apps running on it.
I played with a friend’s N10 over the holidays and, feature wise, it was a barren wasteland compared to the Note. The phone UI on a 10" tablet is bizarre. Similarly he was amazed at what the Note could do that his N10 couldn't. The N10 has a faster SoC than the Note but when you factor in the PPI it's pushing and that memory bandwidth is hard-partitioned to support the display it's certainly not any faster. And with app incompatibility because of the resolution some apps behave poorly or don’t work at all.
The Note has IO accessories available to match the N10's ports, takes up to a 64GB exFAT SD card for expansion, has an IR port, larger speakers than the N10, and gets significantly better battery life and charges 1/3 faster. It also doesn't have light bleed. Without question the N10 will get updates ten times faster than the Note. But so what, it'll still do 1/3 of the things the Note can do right now. It'll just be Google's barren OS with updates. I've disabled Google Now because I don't use any of their native apps that it depends on to harvest data and for some reason it thinks I work at a McDonalds because I stop at one frequently. As a value-priced consumption device with a great display the N10's a solid choice. For people interested in creating and managing content the Note's a better choice. Its 147PPI display is fine for pics and videos and doesn't require upscaling like the N10's display does. It's obviously not as good for text and computer generated content like the UI and that's a compromise you have to make to get the additional features. So for people looking for something beyond consumption I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the Note. It's already sold 5MM units and I'd be surprised based on its limited distribution if the N10's sold 1MM.
OP, if the things in this video mean anything to you consider the Note. If all you care about is consumption and the display the N10's a better choice.
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Just like stock doesnt work for you, Touchwiz simply doesnt work for others. Some dont like it because its ugly, some dont like it because it introduces compatibility problems with apps (a really big concern for this post considering OP is a dev), some dont like them because they slow down the device (more so with Motorola's skins). The only advantage I see with Touchwiz over stock is the multiwindow stuff, and then its nothing that others, be it Google themselves or devs here, couldn't replicate.
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Just like stock doesnt work for you, Touchwiz simply doesnt work for others. Some dont like it because its ugly, some dont like it because it introduces compatibility problems with apps (a really big concern for this post considering OP is a dev), some dont like them because they slow down the device (more so with Motorola's skins). The only advantage I see with Touchwiz over stock is the multiwindow stuff, and then its nothing that others, be it Google themselves or devs here, couldn't replicate.
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It also has S-Pen features, but as you said, it really goes both ways.
Also, it's not a question of "can" they do it. It's more of a question of "will" they do it. Just because Google or some dev "can" replicate it, doesn't mean it'll come to the N10.
I'm not siding with either one here, but they both have their merits and faults.
As for app development, I'd think the N10 is a better choice for you mainly because it'll be up to date software-wise for a long long while and you can continue to develop apps.
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Just like stock doesnt work for you, Touchwiz simply doesnt work for others. Some dont like it because its ugly, some dont like it because it introduces compatibility problems with apps (a really big concern for this post considering OP is a dev), some dont like them because they slow down the device (more so with Motorola's skins). The only advantage I see with Touchwiz over stock is the multiwindow stuff, and then its nothing that others, be it Google themselves or devs here, couldn't replicate.
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You're absolutely right - it's a matter of individual choice. With h/w having reached the state it has performance increases are measured in milliseconds. For people that are more interested in benchmarks and picking up 1/10 of a second in screen transitions than actually getting stuff done a Nexus device is an excellent choice. By the time you add (if they exist) non-integrated third party apps from developers ranging from excellent to sketchy to replicate the Note's features you have as much (if not more) bloat on it and the apps don't work as well together. Can you wireless transmit content from your N10 to any HDMI-equipped output device? By the time Miracast reaches critical mass the N10 III will be out. Someone above mentioned Nexus as a developers platform. Those days are gone too. With value-based starting prices for the N4/N7/N10 of $299/$199/$399 respectively and a decidedly lower focus on build quality Nexus is now a mainstream consumer product with its lead feature being price/value. The GN which was a revered device on XDA only sold 750K copies. That sort of says something about what's really important to making a device commercially successful and being “pure” and getting “fast updates” doesn’t seem to be it.
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The GN which was a revered device on XDA only sold 750K copies. That sort of says something about what's really important to making a device commercially successful and being “pure” and getting “fast updates” doesn’t seem to be it.
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The GN was banned at least once in the US from my knowledge, and given the short lifespan of smartphones, it's only natural that the GN was already superseded by the imminent S3.
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I pretty agree with this, but my apps don't crash on 4.2.1, none, and nexus 10 costs 400$ and 500$, not only 500$.
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Nexus 10 16GB is $444 with shipping & tax, Nexus 10 32GB is $553 with shipping and tax.
I got mine on a "deal" from staples because I had a $10 off coupon and shipping was free. After tax it was still $533. Google charges tax to every state in USA as far as I know, except the states without a sales tax. New Hampshire?
As for apps crashing... HDhomerun 2 crashes constantly, chrome has completely locked up my device, and other apps just randomly force close. I've only had the device for 2 days and its running completely stock. I know that over time things will crash less so i'm not complaining a whole lot. But its quite annoying.
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The GN was banned at least once in the US from my knowledge.
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It was banned very late in its lifecycle when sales were already down to a trickle because better spec'd devices had been out for a while. The point that I was making is that the GN was available at subsidized prices similar to other phones with overlays from the U.S. carriers. Its "pureness" and "fast updates" didn't sway mainstream consumers for it to have sold so poorly during its peak selling period. Outside of XDA, people like overlays because they make devices easier to use which is why the OEMs offer them.
Here's an article talking about it...
Google just can't catch a break with its Nexus phones. While the "pure Google" experience of the company's Nexus phones tends to generate fanatical loyalty from extreme Android frothers, it seems to appeal to almost no one else. In a federal court today, a Samsung lawyer said the sales of its latest Galaxy Nexus phone were "so miniscule" that it isn't a threat to anyone. Samsung's lawyers said the company took in about $250 million from the Galaxy Nexus during the first two quarters [where revenue is in the billions] it was on sale. That isn't nothing, but it's far short of a hit. Available on Verizon, Sprint, and in an unlocked model for T-Mobile and AT&T, the Nexus managed to sell at about the level of T-Mobile's Galaxy S 4G when it had its two best quarters. It fell far short of a hit like Sprint's Epic 4G or Verizon's Fascinate, according to court documents from Samsung's big California patent case against Apple.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2408712,00.asp
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It was banned very late in its lifecycle when sales were already down to a trickle because better spec'd devices had been out for a while. The point that I was making is that the GN was available at subsidized prices similar to other phones with overlays from the U.S. carriers. Its "pureness" and "fast updates" didn't sway mainstream consumers for it to have sold so poorly during its peak selling period. Outside of XDA, people like overlays because they make devices easier to use which is why the OEMs offer them.
Here's an article talking about it...
Google just can't catch a break with its Nexus phones. While the "pure Google" experience of the company's Nexus phones tends to generate fanatical loyalty from extreme Android frothers, it seems to appeal to almost no one else. In a federal court today, a Samsung lawyer said the sales of its latest Galaxy Nexus phone were "so miniscule" that it isn't a threat to anyone. Samsung's lawyers said the company took in about $250 million from the Galaxy Nexus during the first two quarters [where revenue is in the billions] it was on sale. That isn't nothing, but it's far short of a hit. Available on Verizon, Sprint, and in an unlocked model for T-Mobile and AT&T, the Nexus managed to sell at about the level of T-Mobile's Galaxy S 4G when it had its two best quarters. It fell far short of a hit like Sprint's Epic 4G or Verizon's Fascinate, according to court documents from Samsung's big California patent case against Apple.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2408712,00.asp
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I thought it was much earlier, but regardless, you're right in that fast updates and pureness don't sell. But I sincerely doubt that hardware itself is also what makes sales soar. Yeah, the S3 sale is simply outstanding, but I'm sure the majority of S3 owners only bought the S3 because it's something new (among the iPhones) and because they "heard" from nearly everywhere that it's a smartphone that can compete well against the iPhone. And yes, the hardware helps with that definitely, but the majority don't care if it has an Exynons 4412 SoC inside clocked at 1.4 gHz.
What I consider as the best reason for poor Nexus sales is that Google just sucks at advertising. I never saw once in my life a billboard or a TV commercial about the Galaxy Nexus on it. I only knew about it because I like tech and try to keep up with what's new. I see Google doing a better job with the recent Nexus line though, but now that Samsung has gained so much popularity with its own flagship line, people are going to keep their eyes on any new pure Samsung products (the S4 and Note III).
So how does this relate to the OP - it really doesn't .
I will have to agree that anything in the Nexus line is a better developer platform. Yes, it's commercialized as an average consumer product, but the long support from Google will give it the advantage in development because you can continue to develop apps without having to worry about breaking compatibility in newer devices. Also, you won't have to deal with ROM ports that may work but also may also not work completely.
Google Nexus 10 or Note 10
I think that is one hard question to ask? I think Galaxy Note 10 is really awesome phablet, i mean, tablet if you really like writing or drawing stuff on the go, but the size can be the problem if you want to carry it to public area.
So maybe you should pick up Note 5.5-inch instead.
Google Nexus 10 is also one great device, especially with its eye-pleasing screen and fast performance. I also like when Google Earth is run on this device.
Yeah, it's hard question.
Hi all, thank you for your responses. My next question is: I been going to stores looking for the tablets on display, but no luck for finding a Nexus 10. Does it feel cheap? Also from going to the stores, I really like the feature on the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 that has the navigation controls on the bottom left and the toggles/notifications menu on the right, but the nexus has only the navigation controls in the center. Is it bothersome or does it feel normal to use. Note: I have been using an iPhone and iPad for regular use/programming, and I only had contact with an android device at the stores and using the strictly developer use only android tablets at school, they are all 7-inch tablets, and you get in a lot of trouble if you play with them. Thank you, again.
First thing you'll notice is the screen on the N10 is miles better than the Note 10.1. When the Note gets a SAMOLED I'm getting one. Until then the N10 is the better machine. Plus the faster CPU, and they're both Samsung, why would anybody choose a Note 10.1 instead? Only the stylus. So make that your pivot question. Do you need a stylus or not.
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Hi all, thank you for your responses. My next question is: I been going to stores looking for the tablets on display, but no luck for finding a Nexus 10. Does it feel cheap? Also from going to the stores, I really like the feature on the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 that has the navigation controls on the bottom left and the toggles/notifications menu on the right, but the nexus has only the navigation controls in the center. Is it bothersome or does it feel normal to use. Note: I have been using an iPhone and iPad for regular use/programming, and I only had contact with an android device at the stores and using the strictly developer use only android tablets at school, they are all 7-inch tablets, and you get in a lot of trouble if you play with them. Thank you, again.
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The Nexus certainly does not feel cheap. The plastic has an almost rubbery feel, not at all cold like metallic tablets and not rigid or creaky like most other Android tablets. IMO its one of the best feeling tablets out there.
The buttons on left, notifications on right are how things were done on Android tablets from 3.0 through 4.1. The new layout doesn't quite feel as natural in landscape, but it was done in the name of consistency with phones and probably is the right move for the future. While Samsung might stick with the traditional layout, there's also a very good chance that in a future firmware update the Note 10.1 could adopt the N10's button layout. I wouldn't say its bad, far from it. The old layout is just a little more comfortable, since if you're holding your tablet with both hands you dont have to let go on one to do something (home/back/etc.).
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The Nexus certainly does not feel cheap. The plastic has an almost rubbery feel, not at all cold like metallic tablets and not rigid or creaky like most other Android tablets. IMO its one of the best feeling tablets out there.
The buttons on left, notifications on right are how things were done on Android tablets from 3.0 through 4.1. The new layout doesn't quite feel as natural in landscape, but it was done in the name of consistency with phones and probably is the right move for the future. While Samsung might stick with the traditional layout, there's also a very good chance that in a future firmware update the Note 10.1 could adopt the N10's button layout. I wouldn't say its bad, far from it. The old layout is just a little more comfortable, since if you're holding your tablet with both hands you dont have to let go on one to do something (home/back/etc.).
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Thanks, from my knowledge, the Nexus 10 has two pull down menus from the top, is this correct? And what is each one? Also, Does any one know if there is a rom/mod that enables the old layout? Thanks, again.
Just curious as to what the next Android device you want to get? Things keep advancing so fast, quad cores are coming to trend now and with Kit-Kat, there are a lot of possibilities. I'm considering switching from Sprint to AT&T, to get the LG G2! I'm so tired of Sprint and how crazy slow they are... I can get more, and significantly faster data with AT&T. The beizels on the G2 are a huge selling point for me, fitting a 5.2 inch screen into the same form factor as an HTC One is impressive. Not to mention the quad core 2.2 GHz processor on it... That's ridiculous, and I love my Nexus, but my god, that makes this look average... What about y'all?
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Just curious as to what the next Android device you want to get? Things keep advancing so fast, quad cores are coming to trend now and with Kit-Kat, there are a lot of possibilities. I'm considering switching from Sprint to AT&T, to get the LG G2! I'm so tired of Sprint and how crazy slow they are... I can get more, and significantly faster data with AT&T. The beizels on the G2 are a huge selling point for me, fitting a 5.2 inch screen into the same form factor as an HTC One is impressive. Not to mention the quad core 2.2 GHz processor on it... That's ridiculous, and I love my Nexus, but my god, that makes this look average... What about y'all?
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I know what you mean! Things are progressing at such a ridiculous rate in the mobile world; its incredible. Especially Intel. They've made an absolutely shocking amount of progress in the past year. They've basically done what took ARM companies 3-4 years in 12 months. I'm really looking forward to Intel chips in our smartphones and tablets; we'll finally be able to crush Apple's in-house designs!
As for my next device, I'm definitely going to be getting the Nexus 5. A 5" device with a Snapdragon 800, OIS, Android 4.4 and other incredible hardware? Count me in! I sold my Galaxy Nexus a few weeks back, after the Nexus 4 price drop (I got a shockingly good price for it, too) in preparation for the N5. Now, I realize that SOME of the leaked specifications may not be totally accurate, but I am also hoping that we get the 5" display in the smaller-than-Nexus 4 frame. That would totally sell it for me.
I will probably will continue to use my galaxy nexus until it dies. It have been an excellent phone.
If it dies however I will buy the Nexus 5 midst likely.
I don't think i could use anything else other than a Nexus and be happy with it. Mainly because of the updates.
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Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 edition. Used the Spencer features and they can't be beat if doing a large amount of sketching.
But I may wait until spring as the N10 is still great. Use a capacitive stylus with good results.
I only got the Nexus 10 this summer, so I'm good with my tablet for a long while I hope.
My Droid RAZR M I got last October, so I would sooner replace that. If I decide to leave Verizon next time, then I may well go for a Nexus for a phone as well. I love getting the latest official updates OTA.
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I only got the Nexus 10 this summer, so I'm good with my tablet for a long while I hope.
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You are good for a long while. I fully agree. There's a lot of life left in this tablet.
Wait for the 2015 edition to be released Oct 2014
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I only got the Nexus 10 this summer, so I'm good with my tablet for a long while I hope.
My Droid RAZR M I got last October, so I would sooner replace that. If I decide to leave Verizon next time, then I may well go for a Nexus for a phone as well. I love getting the latest official updates OTA.
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I actually gave this some more thought, and I do not think I will go Nexus on my next phone for one reason, I want to keep a microsd slot. I keep a ton of music and other files on my phone I simply don't need on my tablet, and it irritates me such a simple convenience is being phased out by so many new phones. Screw the cloud model, I want my files on me when I want them without a connection.
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I actually gave this some more thought, and I do not think I will go Nexus on my next phone for one reason, I want to keep a microsd slot. I keep a ton of music and other files on my phone I simply don't need on my tablet, and it irritates me such a simple convenience is being phased out by so many new phones. Screw the cloud model, I want my files on me when I want them without a connection.
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Sigh... me, too. I've been wanting to come on this thread and pledge allegiance to the phone I hope the Nexus 5 will be. If it's a Snapdragon 800 / Adreno 330 / 1080p / 3000 mAh G2 with standard button placement and at least 2 Gb of RAM... running pure, unbloated, updated Android... then the Nexus 5 will be a stun-gun of a phone for 2013. (darn it... just drooled on my N10.)
But... we get all that and no removable memory? I know, that would mean space, weight, cost, whatever. But Samsung can do it on their flagships (with the added benefit of replaceable batteries). Seems like such a simple thing for winning freedom from needing access to a good WiFi signal.
If the N5 overcomes the N4's hardware limitations that now prevent the use of Nexus Media Importer -- and along with it the unrooted read/write use of USB card readers & memory sticks -- that'd go a long way. Let's just say I'm not holding my breath, since Google appears to have a different agenda.
For a brand that touts such an open OS, the box they put it in sure is closed.
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I actually gave this some more thought, and I do not think I will go Nexus on my next phone for one reason, I want to keep a microsd slot. I keep a ton of music and other files on my phone I simply don't need on my tablet, and it irritates me such a simple convenience is being phased out by so many new phones. Screw the cloud model, I want my files on me when I want them without a connection.
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I always only had 16 gb Sd cards so going from 16 gb s3 to 32 gb HTC didnt make a single difference for me I have 8 gb of music and about 10 gb free on device for movies, and i think thats the space i need.
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I always only had 16 gb Sd cards so going from 16 gb s3 to 32 gb HTC didnt make a single difference for me I have 8 gb of music and about 10 gb free on device for movies, and i think thats the space i need.
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OK... But you had to pay a lot more for that 32GB model I bet. My Droid RAZR M came with 8GB built in, and for only $20 I added another 32GB. I can even upgrade it to a 64GB microsd for less than $50. Good luck trying to get that kind of bargin upgrade on a non-microsd phone. Another added benefit... Let's say your phone meets an untimely death in the laundry machine, well at least with microsd your photos and music are perfectly safe.
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I'll get a Galaxy Nexus 2 when it comes (I hope it does). My Galaxy Nexus holds up for a while and I use my Nexus 10 for gaming. I'm not a fan of lg. I hope Samsung will produce a Nexus phone again.
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one vote for Sammy, for their expandable memory
I've got my eye on a couple of future devices.
I'm hoping with the SG Note 3, the LG G2 -- and hopefully the Nexus 5 -- already or soon to be running the Snapdragon 800, we'll start to see some cool 64-bit apps. When the 64-bit world takes hold, that could be a nice time to pick up a SG S5. Samsung should have multitasking to a new level by then, too.
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I've got my eye on a couple of future devices.
I'm hoping with the SG Note 3, the LG G2 -- and hopefully the Nexus 5 -- already or soon to be running the Snapdragon 800, we'll start to see some cool 64-bit apps. When the 64-bit world takes hold, that could be a nice time to pick up a SG S5. Samsung should have multitasking to a new level by then, too.
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Hope Snapdragon 800 has better battery management than Snapdragon 600 or else i wouldnt worth it to upgrade imho. The speed upgrade means nothing, only think that makes your phone faster is a well tuned rom/kernel. My ex Galaxy S3 with Cm10.2 and a custom kernel is the fastest thing i've ever used by a ridiculous mergin. Everything happens instanlty and its last gen,
Also my HTC ONE with the 4.3 official Rom is also like a new phone. So much faster and battery life is like 2x what it used to be.
SideNote for Lg G2. Will lg EVER make a decent looking phone? I am sorry but i dont care if Lg G2 is the best phone ever released, its so boring looking i would never consider buying.
Maybe Nexus 5, need to wait and see
I agree, the G2 looks kinda plain -- at least while viewing it on a 2D screen. Could be pretty comfortable in the hand, though, with those backside curves. I was a little surprised, papakaliati, to hear you say you're interested in the Nexus 5 after what you had to say about LG and specifically their G2. Most folks are thinking it will be LG manufacturing the Nexus 5 and that it'll look a lot like the G2.
Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 32GB model. Already have it on pre-order. I had always said that the perfect device would be the Note 10.1 with the Nexus 10 screen, and voila! Can't wait!
An 8 inch Android tablet, probably the LG G Pad 8.3 because it's the first one to have 1080p. Or the next Note 8.0.
The Nexus 10 is too big to play games, etc.
Also maybe the next Nexus 5.
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Hope Snapdragon 800 has better battery management than Snapdragon 600 or else i wouldnt worth it to upgrade imho. The speed upgrade means nothing, only think that makes your phone faster is a well tuned rom/kernel. My ex Galaxy S3 with Cm10.2 and a custom kernel is the fastest thing i've ever used by a ridiculous mergin. Everything happens instanlty and its last gen,
Also my HTC ONE with the 4.3 official Rom is also like a new phone. So much faster and battery life is like 2x what it used to be.
SideNote for Lg G2. Will lg EVER make a decent looking phone? I am sorry but i dont care if Lg G2 is the best phone ever released, its so boring looking i would never consider buying.
Maybe Nexus 5, need to wait and see
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I agree that there's no point in trying to go any faster than 'instantly' ...sounds like you had a sweet setup with your S3!
With Kit Kat supposedly supporting ARM-64 and with Qualcomm, Tegra & Exynos -- and AMD & Intel? -- all producing 64-bit mobile processors in 2014, some interesting 64-bit applications might not be far behind, as well as some significant energy demands, like you've pointed to. I bet power-management & battery-design teams are putting in all-nighters to bring us more innovations like big.LITTLE... and to overcome the downsides of lithium-sulfur technology, which could increase battery life by a factor of 4.
Yeah, I wasn't talking about new processors running 32-bit apps faster, though there will, of course, be some performance gains as we'll as some overhead hits. I was thinking about the new capabilities heading our way once applications cross over into 64-bit territory -- whenever that is -- and not just better encryption and data-bunkering.
We'll be looking at real-time audio and image editing, providing such things as on-the-fly video-effects management... and faster vector processing, which game devs will surely take advantage of, like Infinity Blade III has for Apple's new phone. I'm eager to see the impact of 64 bit on multimedia multitasking. General improvements in multitasking could get us to the 32-bit 4Gb RAM ceiling surprisingly soon.
After that, the 64-bit RAM upper limit of 16 Exbibytes -- 17.18B Gigabytes -- should hold us a while!
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I agree, the G2 looks kinda plain -- at least while viewing it on a 2D screen. Could be pretty comfortable in the hand, though, with those backside curves. I was a little surprised, papakaliati, to hear you say you're interested in the Nexus 5 after what you had to say about LG and specifically their G2. Most folks are thinking it will be LG manufacturing the Nexus 5 and that it'll look a lot like the G2.
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I am hoping it will keep a more nexus line than LG but then again I might be just dreaming. New Note would be an instant by if I didn't have the nexus 10.
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I am hoping it will keep a more nexus line than LG but then again I might be just dreaming. New Note would be an instant by if I didn't have the nexus 10.
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They already have pics of the nexus 5 and a 3d rendering. You should check them out. The phone is a. Little plain. They got rid of the glass back and went with that rubbery plastic which is better durability i guess but not as good looking. They also got a bigger screen then nexus 4 with a smaller frame. :sly:
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Hi everyone. As you know, Android 4.4.4 has just came out, and it's already available on the developers.google.com, and with I/O taking place in just 5 days - the excitement for the future of Android is beyond imagination.
But, this tablet came out 1.5 years ago, and seeing how many updates were already released for N10 starting from 4.2 up 'till 4.4.4 - I'm concerned about one thing: is this the last official update this device will receive? But even if we'll get 4.5/5.0, the support of this tablet will end sooner or later, as the developer community will fade away one day.
So, when the dark hour comes - what will YOU do with your Nexus 10?
I'm having the not-so-great times with mine as the perfomance is slightly disappointing, especially the lack of RAM (only 1GB) and the lack of 3G/LTE capabilities (and having to tether it to my phone isn't always reliable, due to coverage and the battery drain coming from the Hotspot being turned on most of the time, as well as having two devices slowly eating away my data cap (with both devices having autosync on and the N10 being my main connectivity device when I'm not at home, mainly at university),
So, personally, I'm looking for alternatives... and there's quite honestly not so many of them out there :/
But enough about me, what's your call on this matter?
I will keep it and install a custom ROM - long life to AOSP
Or maybe will buy Xiaomi MiPad
I think we will receive two major updates, and that will be the same for Nexus 4.
Still a great Tablet in my opinion. I'm planning on keeping it for sometime to come and will always run latest available ROM.
Ill keep it until it dies. then if there is no new N10, I'll switch to something with HDMI out, probably the Surface 3 RT when it comes out.
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I'll be keeping it, sure it'll take longer to arrive unnoficial updates, but as long as I receive it I'll be glad. It's still a pretty good device, I guess I'd change it only in 2 more years, and it'll probably be either a new Nexus or a Sony tablet.
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My target from when I bought the N10 was to keep it for three years (clock started Mar 2013). I'm hoping my next purchase would have specs such as 64bit processor, 4GB memory, screen size and resolution no less than the N10. I definitely expect a screen color/Gama control app. As media consumption is my primary usage the best color reproduction is essential. The N10 can already handle the highest bit rate video in my collection I'd expect no less but that is not a stretch. I'd also prefer a Qualcomm processor but I'm flexible on that score.
The N10 has been a pleasant surprise in how much I use it. I couldn't have predicted the amount of my media consumption has moved from my PC to the N10. It's been a real eye opener.
Of the current crop of tablets the only one to catch my eye is Samsung's Tab S 10.5, except of course for Knox's ability to detect rooting and the resulting voiding the warranty. That's why both my phone and tablet are Nexus devices. Consumers need to be empowered as we are purchasing not renting despite what some companies think. Maybe the roomered Google's Silver program can provide that option. Knowing me I'll not be able resist rooting after the hardware checks out despite the risk.
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It will be custom ROM time. I used my Viewsonic gtablet with custom Roms till I purchased my Nexus.
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The Nexus 10 have 2gb ram and not 1?
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The Nexus 10 have 2gb ram and not 1?
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1GB available to the user, 1GB eaten away by the crappy Mali HPU, in the end I'm left with ~800MB free if I'm lucky, most of the time it varies from 700 to 500, which is unbearable
Looks like we may have been officially/unofficially retired. No mention of the Nexus 10 in the Android L preview announcement. Looks like it's 4.4.4, which is still fine by me
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Looks like we may have been officially/unofficially retired. No mention of the Nexus 10 in the Android L preview announcement. Looks like it's 4.4.4, which is still fine by me
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Well that's only preview. Maybe the actual release will come
I'm still happy with mine. An Xperia Tablet Z2 with Nexus branding would get me to upgrade. Nothing else I have seen looks more interesting than my Nexus 10.
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Wait... Op the tab has 2 GB of ram. What bottlenecks our tablets is the GPU.
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I'll keep mine until it dies or I'll give to my son if something really good comes out that I really want
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Looks like we may have been officially/unofficially retired. No mention of the Nexus 10 in the Android L preview announcement. Looks like it's 4.4.4, which is still fine by me
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When the nexus 10 is no longer listed in the Google Play store then I'll believe it will not be updated with a Nexus 2.
When a tablet is no going to be produced it gets removed from the store.
The fact that it is still there leads me to believe something is still up with it.
But I'll keep mine.
I'm not changing my N10 until Nvidia comes out with a quad core Denver CPU, a Maxwell GPU and at least 4gb of RAM, so most likely at some point in the next year.
Looks like we should be getting the next upgrade. It will extend the life for another year easy. And then count on many devs out there that will do their best to bring future releases. Remember the hp touchpad? It went from gb and now I think is running kk.
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I'll keep it for sure. A tablet is not something I'm willing to upgrade as often as my phone.
With a little tweaking this tablet performs really well (custom ROM and kernel, over clocking CPU and GPU). From where I stand, the only thing holding the N10 back somewhat is its 2GB of ram. If it had shipped with 3GB its performance and multitasking would improve tenfold. Although ram management was drastically improved with kit Kat and I can't wait to see what android L does performance wise.
Non the less, I still enjoy it very much!
I love my N10 and will keep it long after it's "retired". It does everything I want it to do. Once it's retired, it will still do everything I want it to do.
I browse, email, and read books on it - that's basically it. I don't care about the latest games or apps.
I know I'm not the typical user though.
So, I've owned only Android devices since I began buying smartphones and tablets, but I really feel like very little has changed with regards to Android's performance ever since the Snapdragon 800 in 2013. Even the addition of more RAM and higher-spec processors hasn't really changed much about the AOSP experience, and my old (GPE-converted) Galaxy S4 still feels like I could throw most anything at it.
With the Nexus 6P finally bringing the last few things I really wanted in a mobile phone (the fingerprint sensor, metal, 1440p AMOLED, pure Android without compromising the camera, USB-C), I'm really thinking that this may be my last Android phone for a long while. I feel like, while equally unnecessary, the N6P will offer the pinnacle of stock Android, while rounding out the feature set of all I look for. I was debating whether to cheap out and buy a N5X for dev and general mucking about, but I think I will instead commit to getting the 6P for the above reasons.
My last upgrade to the G3 was almost unnecessary, even though I love the phone. I only upgraded, since my S4's power button broke and headphone jack got a bit wonky. Had that not happened, I think I'd be still using it today as my DD. I didn't even feel the itch to upgrade to any of this year's devices (except the Nexus phones and the buzz around the fp sensor and camera), and I've already had the device for more than a year.
While it may be an unpopular opinion around these parts, I think I may switch to an iPhone (probably the 7+) when my contract is up just to see how that platform improves over the next couple of years. A second GB of RAM totally changed that phone, which shows just how behind they are in some aspects, and where potential lies. I just don't see Android making any earth-shattering changes, mostly because it doesn't need to anymore. OEMs drive their own crap update cycle by bogging down their updates and the like, a problem which never existed on my GPE-converted S4, and won't exist on the Nexus.
Don't really know why I felt like making this post, but I did. :silly:
I agree with you on certain points.
But remember,
my old (GPE-converted) Galaxy S4 still feels like I could throw most anything at it.
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You did something to your phone in order to be fast / smooth / etc. While we as a community continue to do this and find ways to improve everything.. Android (stock) has come a long way.
I'm really thinking that this may be my last Android phone for a long while.
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You reasoning for this is there is nothing really new on Android and Android phones haven't really evolved much but the same goes for iOS. This coming from someone who keeps going back and forth from Android to iOS. iOS is much more polished and needs less specs to run smooth, but you also have to remember they only have to worry about support their own hardware. And while yes, there has been phone upgrades from Apple (bigger screen, etc.), this is stuff Android has been doing for a long time.
It's kind of hard honestly.. after a certain point.. development / upgrades happen slower.. when jumping from phone to phone now, things don't seem like much of an upgrade. I think that's because we upgrade phones so often now, we don't notice the differences as much. But say you had to keep your S4 for another year without the ability to root / install a custom ROM, I'm sure you'd be all over the N6P.
While XDA has made Android development much bigger and contributed in a positive way, it has also kind of spoiled us and made us think the way you are.
For me the big things that keep me on android are customization and the ability to do what I want with the phone (not what Apple or anyone else wants me to do). I would love to say this would be my last phone for a while but 2 things will prevent that....
1. I'm a tech junkie
2. Android support is 2 years
Well, the LG G3 isnt the best phone... you'll probably like the Nexus 6P a LOT!
I said that with the Nexus 6. I might still keep the Nexus 6 but I'm at least going to give the 6P a shot.
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I'm not far behind but not because Android vs Apple but because my life centers around MS products. I work in IT, exclusively with MS products. Why is my mobile device on a different ecosystem?
I'm excited for what MS has in store for their APIs that allow ios and Android apps to behave as if they're in their natural environment. I think this approach is going to flatten the playing field and OS will no longer matter.
Now if they could just make tech without built in obsolescion the market will start filling with devices that have purpose instead of purely consumerism. There WILL be a threshold of device waste that will force our hand.
Excel made some good points. And I too felt the same about not seeing much improvement from my phone but the continuous development thru ROMs makes it seems like the progress is small but it not....if you tally up the progress over the 1 year iPhone life cycle it is a lot of progress.
Google has too many things going on and unfortunately doesn't take the time to perfect their products except their search engine. They rather create a new product versus refining an existing one.
Imagine if google only had drive, no gmail, no G+, a tablet, one PC, and Android that ran on a single phone from one manufacturer....say LG. And Kept that same phone and just improved the hardware each year and the software as well....and diverted all other efforts towards perfecting that single device. That phone would be light years ahead of apple. Instead google has close to 200 products and services they wear themselves thin with. And tackling the immense task of attempting to make android run seemless and smooth on
Almost 19,000 devices instead of on just a handful of devices plus one phone is the difference between google and apple.
With that said and even with google continuing to expand like they do....I still think Google's android os running on top tier android devices will surpass IPhones in all aspects in couple years.
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Exel said:
You did something to your phone in order to be fast / smooth / etc. While we as a community continue to do this and find ways to improve everything.. Android (stock) has come a long way.
You reasoning for this is there is nothing really new on Android and Android phones haven't really evolved much but the same goes for iOS. This coming from someone who keeps going back and forth from Android to iOS. iOS is much more polished and needs less specs to run smooth, but you also have to remember they only have to worry about support their own hardware. And while yes, there has been phone upgrades from Apple (bigger screen, etc.), this is stuff Android has been doing for a long time
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Partially correct on the first point. It is fundamentally still "stock" (no kernel mods/custom features) on GPE firmware, but yes, I haven't tried stock since the original shipping firmware. I haven't rooted my phones since putting GPE on the S4. My Nexus 9, the G3, and the S4 all run unrooted, the former two of which are on stock firmware. The biggest pain about Android is debloating carrier crapware, a problem nonexistent on Nexus devices.
I feel like Android has matured to the point that there is little left to give. As far as supporting their own stuff, that's why I feel like the N6P would be the ultimate.
WoodroweBones said:
For me the big things that keep me on android are customization and the ability to do what I want with the phone (not what Apple or anyone else wants me to do). I would love to say this would be my last phone for a while but 2 things will prevent that....
1. I'm a tech junkie
2. Android support is 2 years
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I agree, but customisation is so easy to do on Android without mods or root. The only other phone I was considering was the S6 edge +, which is also comparably restrictive. I just haven't felt the need to root since the S4.
An iPhone, on the other hand, I would be keen to jailbreak instantly. Quite a lot of interesting tweaks come out of Apple's "crack R&D team" (like swipeselection....), and jailbreaking is the only way to stay on that edge and get appropriate customisation.
I would also be using pretty much solely Google apps there anyway, since the default apps are kinda terrible.
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Google has too many things going on and unfortunately doesn't take the time to perfect their products except their search engine. They rather create a new product versus refining an existing one.
Imagine if google only had drive, no gmail, no G+, a tablet, one PC, and Android that ran on a single phone from one manufacturer....That phone would be light years ahead of apple. Instead google has close to 200 products and services they wear themselves thin with.
With that said and even with google continuing to expand like they do....I still think Google's android os running on top tier android devices will surpass IPhones in all aspects in couple years.
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But the diversity is the beauty of Google. The fact that they move the ecosystem forward and have a constant stream of novelty across their business is what helps them succeed. Android itself doesn't really need more improvement, is my argument. It's already there, and their job is to create new services to drive the platform.
Android as an OS already far exceeds that of iOS IMO, especially with Google Now. What I want to see is how Apple catches , since their platform seems to still be in flux (as far as performance and service delivery goes).
You'll change your mind when they release the Nexus 14z, which will project it's 16k display directly to your brain, and be able to read your thoughts instead of having to speak "OK Google".
I'm serious, because Google will have perfected mind control by then and we'll all be drones.
All hail Masters Page and Brin, our merciful overlords!
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Seriously though, I admire your pragmatic upgrade preferences on smartphones.
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But the diversity is the beauty of Google. The fact that they move the ecosystem forward and have a constant stream of novelty across their business is what helps them succeed. Android itself doesn't really need more improvement, is my argument. It's already there, and their job is to create new services to drive the platform.
Android as an OS already far exceeds that of iOS IMO, especially with Google Now. What I want to see is how Apple catches , since their platform seems to still be in flux (as far as performance and service delivery goes).
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I agree with you the software is better but implementing all the services via the OS on a multitude of devices is a difficult task. However starting with this 6P nexus devices I think are on par with iPhone (hardware and software) and I bet will surpass the iPhone 7 next year.
I just wish they worked with one manufacturer to help perfect the hardware and built on a good hardware design instead of going back and forth with with hardware features and designs .....kinda like the 5x with 6P features.
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If the 6P lives up to the hype, the improvements left are physics stuff: battery life, moar camera, lighter/thinner/stronger, waterproof, sapphire display.
That said, iPhones have been such a bitter disappointment since the Gingerbread days. I'm on Apple for the most part (MBr, iMac 5k) and would consider switching to iOS but the differentiators that custom Androids offer simply aren't there, or even possible. The current crop of crippled hardware is missing too much. When Apple makes a real retina display (eg AMOLED 2k) and loses the oversized HTC-ish bezels it'll be worth another look. Assuming Apple gives out widgets, call recording & MinMinGuard too.
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2. Android support is 2 years
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For a Nexus device the support window is 3 years. N5 is 2 years old and just recieved Android 6.0. It will continue to get updates for atleast another full year. Unfortunately that is likely to end when android N comes next fall.
Interesting that this phone has everything you ever wanted. Did you know you wanted a 1440p phone with a fingerprint scanner 2 years ago? Probably not. I'm sure innovation will continue, though maybe slowly. I'd like to see better battery tech.
This is how the technology cycle is. You cant have the same level of developments every year throughout the products/os cycle.
I believe many of the features we see added are already developed. They just hold back so they can have a balance of Big n small changes each year & also market couple of features as exclusives for the latest version.
It is the same with iOs as well. You will not see a lot of big changes. Many of them will be hardware based. As os's get more refined hardware dependency will reduce. Today you can get excellent performance from a mid range android device. Tomorrow it will spread to lower end devices aswell. In principal its a good thing.
Right now the top most focus for any R&D of software or hardware company is battery life. The company that cracks it will play a major role.
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If the 6P lives up to the hype, the improvements left are physics stuff: battery life, moar camera, lighter/thinner/stronger, waterproof, sapphire display.
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Really? People are still hung up on sapphire? Sapphire is brittle. I want foldable screens. I still believe Nokia's concept of a phone that trifolds and then bends to fit as a watch is the future. No more carrying a giant brick in my pocket.
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For a Nexus device the support window is 3 years. N5 is 2 years old and just recieved Android 6.0. It will continue to get updates for atleast another full year. Unfortunately that is likely to end when android N comes next fall.
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True... I guess for me I mean 2 years of getting a new android version but yeah technically 3 years support I suppose.
warplane95 said:
Well, the LG G3 isnt the best phone... you'll probably like the Nexus 6P a LOT!
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A G3 running BlissPop ROM is truly a thing of beauty! It's incredibly compact and lightweight for a 5.5" phone, and it flies without the LG software on it. It has a great camera (a step behind the current best, but I've had very few pictures I wasn't very happy with), and the screen as much better than it's reputation indicates it should be ... mostly, I think, because the default brightness is quite low. And the battery life is quite good ... I end most days with 50% after about 1.5 hours of SOT.
I'm mostly upgrading to the 6P because I usually buy a new phone every 6-9 months, but it's been 14 months and I need a new shiny object to fondle. I'm honestly not expecting it to be a whole lot better than the G3 for me ... better screen, better speakers (I hope) and a fingerprint reader may or may not be enough to compensate for the substantial increase in bulk. I had a Note 5 for a week, and it just didn't feel like much of an improvement so I sent it back, which I have never done before.
And my G3 has a replaceable battery, and I could probably be happy with it for 5 more years, if I wasn't such a gadget whore.
Of course I certainly don't think an iPhone is the answer .... that's just ridiculous!
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Here's an idea...try to find a friend with an iPhone who would be willing to trade with you for a week or something. Wipe the phones, trade your SIMs and see how the other side lives.
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Though it had it's issues, the Nexus 6 strong enough in all the categories that I stuck with it for a full year. The only thing strong enough to pull me away now is the 6P. I fully expect it to keep me locked in for the next year as well. However, it could be good enough that I don't feel the need to upgrade to next year's nexus. Only time will tell.