At first, when I heard that a WP8 smartphone was going to have a Pureview camera I was fascinated and excited, but when I saw the results, I think they are laughing at us.
Here I leave the video.
Nokia 808 vs Lumia 920 Night Video Comparison - YouTube
You can see how there is more light, but at the same time less colour contrast, less vivid colours and also unreal colours. Nokia 808 Pureview camera is more close to reality in colours and contrast, as well as in broghtnes. While in Lumia 920 we have more light, Video quality is poorer than the Symbian flagship.
To have the same picture/video quality as with the 808, the 920 would need the same size camera hump. Not viable.
before you trash pureview find out what it is
>< 41mp vs 8.7mp its not really any kind of competition "PureView" refers to nokia camera software therefore they can claim as it uses the same imaging system as the 808. could you imagine the cost of the 808 had the rest of the hardware been up to scratch
I didn't meant to do it in a scene with pretty much light. I meant with a video 1080p (they are just paired at this resolution) during the night and with some few movement, normal for a video) the result is that the 808 won in detail and overpasses the incredible night sensor of the 920 due to the large sensor. I don,t know what you think. But Nokia had to tell us that their Pureview comparison are kind tricky, as they have as winner in night mode Nokia Lumia. But the reality is that the winner is 808
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Well, there's so much to consider about that video. First off, the places are not the same place. That's not a fair comparison. That makes a huge difference as ambient light is a factor. The scene with the 808 had much more vehicle traffic and most likely more light. But even with that in mind, the L920 won't be as good mainly because of the size of he sensor. the 808 sports a 1/1.2" sensor which will beat out every other cell phone camera. There's not much competition between the two. Either way, it beats out having purple haze.
920 is second phase is Pureview, OIS and low-light. 808 is the first phase. There will be more phases... Maybe 1&2 phases together latet?
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We thought that Nokia Lumia 920 was the best phone to record in the night, or Nokia told us that it was that. But they haven't done the best work they could. Their flagship, Nokia 808 Pureview, is recording better during the night. It's a pitty that Nokia starts to cheat since the very first Nokia 920 video. The super reflex camera to capture the supose Lumia 920 videos + this is amazing. Although is the best WP8 to buy, if you think it as a camera phone is better the iPhone 5 in daylight, equal in afternoon and inside and slightly better during the night.
Some videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cPm20esQYc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o4CeHt04xQ
The Nokia video you are talking about was misunderstood and the blown out of proportion. The goal of the video was to demonstrate the benefit of the Optical Image Stabilization (OIS) technology, not the phone itself. If anything, Nokia can be chastised for not putting a disclaimer making that unambiguous.
It is indeed tricky to compare the 920 with the 808 esp since they are both called "Pureview". But, the key difference between the two is that the 920 has OIS (which the 808 doesn't) and the 808 have a much higher MP.
I dont think anyone ever claimed that the 920 was a better camera than the 808... you'd have to be crazy to think so
it does take low light pics easier than the 808 but if you had rock solid steady hands or a mini tripod you could mitigate the advantage
as for the "fiasco" i agree i was a bit appalled that nokia stooped to competitor strategies but they did come out with actual footage from the 920 which showcased the OIS just as well and so have users (check out some nokia blogs)
stylinred said:
I dont think anyone ever claimed that the 920 was a better camera than the 808... you'd have to be crazy to think so
it does take low light pics easier than the 808 but if you had rock solid steady hands or a mini tripod you could mitigate the advantage
as for the "fiasco" i agree i was a bit appalled that nokia stooped to competitor strategies but they did come out with actual footage from the 920 which showcased the OIS just as well and so have users (check out some nokia blogs)
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I think you are mistaken. Nokia did show us the Lumia 920 as the best camera in low light conditions on a phone. That is not true and I think this reviews are good because maybe you know 808 is better camera in all ways, but some people are interested and doesn't know it.
I recently switched to the Lumia 920 from my Samsung Infuse. I've noticed that the Lumia's photos aren't anywhere near as sharp as my Infuse's photos. I'm finding the culprit to be the lower (72ppi) pixel density. My Infuse had a 96ppi camera and photos were much better, even without the IS that the Lumia has.
Why, Nokia? You've fooled us with the optical IS and 8.7MP sensor. The least you could have done is met the pixel density of a year and a half old phone.
I would post some sample photos, but can't yet.
The reason the photos are soft is because of Nokia's aggressive post processing. They are aware of the issue, so I'm sure an update is in the works to rectify the issue.
Also, you can edit the photo by doing the auto-fix or using another photo editing app from the store to sharpen them for now.
Dapk1nmasta said:
I recently switched to the Lumia 920 from my Samsung Infuse. I've noticed that the Lumia's photos aren't anywhere near as sharp as my Infuse's photos. I'm finding the culprit to be the lower (72ppi) pixel density. My Infuse had a 96ppi camera and photos were much better, even without the IS that the Lumia has.
Why, Nokia? You've fooled us with the optical IS and 8.7MP sensor. The least you could have done is met the pixel density of a year and a half old phone.
I would post some sample photos, but can't yet.
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if those numbers are correct, a lower pixel density in the camera module is actual a good thing. it means that each individual pixel is larger and is able to sample more light resulting in less distortion due to noise. this is a good thing as it represents a departure from the megapixel race where the number of megapixels was increasing but the light going to each one was decreasing leading to little improvement if not a reduction in picture quality. if you do look at the megapixels though, the infuse only has an 8MP sensor vs 8.7MP for the 920 (although this isnt quite true as a maximum of around 8MP are ever used in the 920, the rest are to provide the ability to change aspect ratio of the images.
i think americasteam sums up the real reasons for what you are seeing above. you should notice even so that the images are more consistent and do not blur as easily (ignoring the sharpness issue) I do hope the update comes soon, im looking forwards to having sharp amazing quality images which really stand out!
additionally, if you observe when you take a picture, for a fraction of the second, the picture is sharp as you see on the screen. Then suddenly it is soft as the post processing is complete.
I've got my Lumia 920 a few days ago and after bragging about how awesome the Pureview camera is to one of my iFriends he totally smoked me with his iPhone 5. In low light he got shots as good as my Nokia did, and in situations when the light was coming from the windows he wiped the floor with me because he could choose where to focus the image thus making an object on the wall more clear while reducing the light from the window. I can't do this with the 920. If there is a window with light coming from it, the entire wall is almost black. I have also noticed that photos taken with the 920 have a 3552x2000 resolution, while photos taken with my old Lumia 800 have a resolution of 3624x2448. Why so?
My questions are:
Why is the resolution lower than the Lumia 800?
Why are there fewer options in the camera setting than on WP 7.5/7.8?
Why isn't the Pureview smoking the iPhone? They don't even try to advertise this kind of things and still...
Why are photos soft?? Even after the update, photos are still coming out softer than how they look on the screen between focus and shoot.
When I got the 920 I really wished that this Pureview brand they are selling is something groundbreaking, but why in the world does the iPhone 5 take same or even better photos?
Tomorrow I'm returning the device to get a new one because of a problem with the floating lens:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2065019
I hope that the new phone they will give me will be better...
Hi,
Just wondering what is the best setting on the stock lumia 920 camera for indoor bar scene or clubbing scene? Since there will be a lot of people moving around and I want to decrease any blurs, I was thinking of decreasing the exposure to the minimalist setting and increasing the ISO to 800 with flash on.
Questioned Camera Capabilities... But...
to be honest, don't expect alot from the Carl Zeiss Camera lens to perform as good as a Sony Handy-cam for video shooting or a DSLR for still images.
I'm a photographer and I've put the Lumia 920 camera on exhaustive tests. the performance of the f/2.0 lens ratio to the size of the Camera Sensor (1/3.2") really surprised me. I know that comparing a cell phone camera to a DSLR is like comparing a kite to a space ship! but it's really usable and better than carrying a chunky DSLR camera.
the bottom line is, you might get some acceptable results ONLY with still images and NOT video shots. just crank up the ISO to 800, also crank up the Exposure to 2.. and try to capture STEADY people and objects. NOT moving people because you'd get shaky blurry images.
I had the HTC 8X before it got it exchanged with the Lumia 920. the HTC 8x camera provides more camera custom options that our Nokia.
As the title indicates the 920 is amazing in low light and almost no light. I am curious why the more recent handsets like 1520, 930 and 830 still can't beat the low light photos of the 920. Even the 1020 is sometimes worst in low light.
I am currently using a z2 but managed to pick up a 920 for £50 just so I can use the camera as was disappointed with the 930 camera.
Any thoughts on why it's so good please reply especially if anyone knows what the software is doing.
ipmanwck said:
As the title indicates the 920 is amazing in low light and almost no light. I am curious why the more recent handsets like 1520, 930 and 830 still can't beat the low light photos of the 920. Even the 1020 is sometimes worst in low light.
I am currently using a z2 but managed to pick up a 920 for £50 just so I can use the camera as was disappointed with the 930 camera.
Any thoughts on why it's so good please reply especially if anyone knows what the software is doing.
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Even my 15 yo pc webcam can do better low light than lumia 920. At lower resolution and quality obviosly. For better low light its simple as tweak the cam app to autoregulate the capture brighter. Don't know why that was so easy 15 years ago, and now that seems impossible.
ipmanwck said:
As the title indicates the 920 is amazing in low light and almost no light. I am curious why the more recent handsets like 1520, 930 and 830 still can't beat the low light photos of the 920. Even the 1020 is sometimes worst in low light.
I am currently using a z2 but managed to pick up a 920 for £50 just so I can use the camera as was disappointed with the 930 camera.
Any thoughts on why it's so good please reply especially if anyone knows what the software is doing.
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The answer lies in sensor size. The lumia 920 has a 1/3.2" sensor while the 930 has a smaller 1/2.51" sensor.
A bigger sensor means more light can enter but can also mean that shots will be overexposed (too bright) at some point.
The 930 on the other hand probably does better in terms of daylight shots and speed with Rich Capture being another plus point.
but, the math says that 1/2.51" is obviously greater than 1/3.2"
The 930's camera has been pretty poor since WM10. It was great in well lit shots with denim though.
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Vsmh said:
The answer lies in sensor size. The lumia 920 has a 1/3.2" sensor while the 930 has a smaller 1/2.51" sensor.
A bigger sensor means more light can enter but can also mean that shots will be overexposed (too bright) at some point.
The 930 on the other hand probably does better in terms of daylight shots and speed with Rich Capture being another plus point.
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The sensor of the Lumia 930 (and 929=Icon and 1520) is not only much bigger, but has more pixels.
It takes better pictures in every situation. The sensor is also more modern.
These Lumia phones have an Optical Image recognition System (OIS):
920,925,928, 1020, 830,929,930,1520, 950,950 XL (and the upcoming [in 2017] "Surface Phone") & (the old prototype "McLaren")
so that they remove the small vibrations of your hand(s) allowing a longer exposure time =>
better pictures - especially at low light situations