For the first time I'm concerned.
I should be getting my Rogers Optimus G tomorrow, but all the recent specification information leads me to understand that the Rogers unit and the AT&T units are not the same device ... when they are usually identical (with the exception of some minor issues).
The Rogers device appears to be far more similar with the Sprint (and Korean) designs. It DOES NOT have an SDCard slot, but the camera is only 8MB, and the Rogers device is the first in North America (perhaps the world) that will utilize the superior LTE signal (2600MHz), which should result in download speeds approaching 75+ Mbps. Yes, it also has the 700MHz spectrum, but not the somewhat slower 1700MHz frequency.
My concern, though, is with ROM development. If it's not an AT&T unit, per se, and not a Sprint unit, what can we do?
Any ideas from the experts?
Peter
Well right now I wouldn't worry they all have locked boot loaders anyways.
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I noticed that ...
whoamanwtf said:
Well right now I wouldn't worry they all have locked boot loaders anyways.
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I've never had an LG device, and I've been reading lots to get prepared. I, too, noticed that the bootloaders are locked. Even though I really need LTE for my job, I'm very seriously considering getting the Nexus 4.
Peter
If you need LTE for work maybe hold out for the HTC One X+
Edit: I guess that's not LTE actually, will I'll tell you aside from a couple issues only software so far this phone is a beast fast as hell and the build quality sends fantastic. The volume buttons rattle a little if you tap the screen hard but I think it's just cause the device is so solid.
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PeterGuru said:
My concern, though, is with ROM development. If it's not an AT&T unit, per se, and not a Sprint unit, what can we do?
Peter
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As of now, there doesn't seem to be much going on in the dev section for the AT&T unit either. Even if the bootloader was unlocked, then what? Without devs?
I just made a similar post in the "who's got this phone" thread. The N4 comes out today, all we can do is wait and see what happens. Since it shares almost identical hardware, it shouldn't take much to port ROMs/kernels back and forth.
BoostedSR20 said:
As of now, there doesn't seem to be much going on in the dev section for the AT&T unit either. Even if the bootloader was unlocked, then what? Without devs?
I just made a similar post in the "who's got this phone" thread. The N4 comes out today, all we can do is wait and see what happens. Since it shares almost identical hardware, it shouldn't take much to port ROMs/kernels back and forth.
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Porting between the two should actually be easy, I am pretty sure I have done enough cooking of my own to take up that. But with locked bootloaders there is nothing we can do for now.
PeterGuru said:
I've never had an LG device, and I've been reading lots to get prepared. I, too, noticed that the bootloaders are locked. Even though I really need LTE for my job, I'm very seriously considering getting the Nexus 4.
Peter
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I currently have the AT&T Optimus G, but am considering returning it for the Nexus 4 as I dislike the wideness and rounded sides of the AT&T variant.
Rogers model number confirmed ...
I got my Optimus G this morning, and here's the model number:
LG-E971 RGS (I'm sure the RGS means Rogers)
What is the model number of the AT&T variant?
Peter
LG-E970
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Any difference in the software version? Build number?
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Here's my software information for Rogers model LG-E971 RGS:
Android: 4.0.4
Baseband: APQ8064/MDM9x15M
Kernel: 3.0.21
Build: IMM76L
Software: E97110d
All appear to be the same as the AT&T version, with the exception of the Software version.
Peter
PeterGuru said:
For the first time I'm concerned.
I should be getting my Rogers Optimus G tomorrow, but all the recent specification information leads me to understand that the Rogers unit and the AT&T units are not the same device ... when they are usually identical (with the exception of some minor issues).
The Rogers device appears to be far more similar with the Sprint (and Korean) designs. It DOES NOT have an SDCard slot, but the camera is only 8MB, and the Rogers device is the first in North America (perhaps the world) that will utilize the superior LTE signal (2600MHz), which should result in download speeds approaching 75+ Mbps. Yes, it also has the 700MHz spectrum, but not the somewhat slower 1700MHz frequency.
My concern, though, is with ROM development. If it's not an AT&T unit, per se, and not a Sprint unit, what can we do?
Any ideas from the experts?
Peter
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Hi Peter,
not sure if it was using the 2600MHz band at the time, but I DID have a speedtest run reaching just over 100Mb/s. Although the speed was a bit higher than my SGS3 (used the same SIM and got around 70Mb/s), a higher frequency means shorter wavelength which also means less penetrating power through walls and any other physical medium. Based on that, I'm wondering if it is truly superior.
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i think Rogers, Bell, and Telus all have the same version, i.e. the E971. Unless I'm mistaken, seems the breakdown is as follows:
E973 - 32GB storage, 13MP camera
E971 - 32GB storage, 8MP camera
E970 - 16GB storage, 8MP camera, microSD slot (expandable memory)
imo, the E970 looks the best and i would also prefer the expandable storage over better camera. it is indeed a shame that rogers didn't get the AT&T variant; we, Rogers folk, seem to have gotten the worst of the bunch. I wonder if, perhaps, the E972 would be/is a 16GB version with 13MP camera.
Seriously considering getting this phone myself on Rogers.
Especially after the Nexus 4 debacle.
But the locked bootloader would mean no CM10 and that is the only thing holding me back from buying this phone.
I wonder why LG would do this.
Is there a chance that some genius developer will be able to figure out a way to unlock the bootloader without LG's blessing?
fahad233 said:
Seriously considering getting this phone myself on Rogers.
Especially after the Nexus 4 debacle.
But the locked bootloader would mean no CM10 and that is the only thing holding me back from buying this phone.
I wonder why LG would do this.
Is there a chance that some genius developer will be able to figure out a way to unlock the bootloader without LG's blessing?
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Hey Fahad233,
Take a look at this link...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=34030363&postcount=31
fahad233 said:
Seriously considering getting this phone myself on Rogers.
Especially after the Nexus 4 debacle.
But the locked bootloader would mean no CM10 and that is the only thing holding me back from buying this phone.
I wonder why LG would do this.
Is there a chance that some genius developer will be able to figure out a way to unlock the bootloader without LG's blessing?
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it's definitely a nice phone; i prefer the hardware over my SGS3, but HATE that the E971's storage is limited to 32GB, not even all of which is usable.
mk_ln said:
Hi Peter,
not sure if it was using the 2600MHz band at the time, but I DID have a speedtest run reaching just over 100Mb/s. Although the speed was a bit higher than my SGS3 (used the same SIM and got around 70Mb/s), a higher frequency means shorter wavelength which also means less penetrating power through walls and any other physical medium. Based on that, I'm wondering if it is truly superior.
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i think Rogers, Bell, and Telus all have the same version, i.e. the E971. Unless I'm mistaken, seems the breakdown is as follows:
E973 - 32GB storage, 13MP camera
E971 - 32GB storage, 8MP camera
E970 - 16GB storage, 8MP camera, microSD slot (expandable memory)
imo, the E970 looks the best and i would also prefer the expandable storage over better camera. it is indeed a shame that rogers didn't get the AT&T variant; we, Rogers folk, seem to have gotten the worst of the bunch. I wonder if, perhaps, the E972 would be/is a 16GB version with 13MP camera.
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I have the TELUS version and it is E973 with 32GB storage but 8 MP rear camera.
Peter-
I'm curious how you got your phone so quickly? I reserved an E971 over a month ago, was supposedly #3 on the Reservation waitlist (Rogers PR BS, of course) and yet only received the shipping notice yesterday which means it probably won't show up in the wild west here until late next week. And yet still I've already received my E970 from Amazon Wireless in the US in TWO DAYS, and SIM-unlocked it for use on my Rogers account.
Anyways - regarding the versions and hardware revisions - YES. These are the two reasons I decided to order the E970. Because the domestic Canadian versions have no SD-card support at all, and second will have far less aftermarket support for ROMs and software. I believe GSMArena claimed the Rogers model would be E971, and Bell and Telus would be the stock 'international' E973 model which might fare slightly better.
But having talked to a Qualcomm engineer I know, he suggested that the S4 Pro is entirely software-driven for LTE configuration. So as I asked in another thread, does this mean the baseband software could be rewritten or substituted from another model to edit the LTE bands the radio operates on? ie E971->E970 or L-01E->E970?
Hmm, I simply reserved as usual ...
amrando said:
Peter-
I'm curious how you got your phone so quickly? I reserved an E971 over a month ago, was supposedly #3 on the Reservation waitlist (Rogers PR BS, of course) and yet only received the shipping notice yesterday which means it probably won't show up in the wild west here until late next week. And yet still I've already received my E970 from Amazon Wireless in the US in TWO DAYS, and SIM-unlocked it for use on my Rogers account.
Anyways - regarding the versions and hardware revisions - YES. These are the two reasons I decided to order the E970. Because the domestic Canadian versions have no SD-card support at all, and second will have far less aftermarket support for ROMs and software. I believe GSMArena claimed the Rogers model would be E971, and Bell and Telus would be the stock 'international' E973 model which might fare slightly better.
But having talked to a Qualcomm engineer I know, he suggested that the S4 Pro is entirely software-driven for LTE configuration. So as I asked in another thread, does this mean the baseband software could be rewritten or substituted from another model to edit the LTE bands the radio operates on? ie E971->E970 or L-01E->E970?
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I did nothing special. I simply reserved the unit as usual. I was #5 on the list and it arrived at my local Rogers Plus store exactly on the day of release.
I'm in Mississauga, and I know that Rogers' warehouse is also in the GTA, so when something ships, I always get it the next day.
Peter
@amrando
Curious - does the AT&T version work with LTE on Rogers? I know it is lacking the 2600 band, but it still has the 2100. I'm considering getting the AT&T version for the exact same reason as you - expandable storage and better community support, but don't want a crippled LTE phone. Also, how/where did you get it unlocked?
Cheers
The Att version uses 700/AWS for LTE. As long as you're in a 700mHz area, you should be ok
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Hi all,
I'm currently on a Galaxy Nexus and due for an upgrade on Verizon. I'm reading through the threads comparing the DNA and the Note 2, and I haven't yet made up my mind which I'd prefer. But I'm noticing the trend toward bigger phones, and I totally get it -- a bigger, high resolution display is a nicer experience for anything visual. And I can't help but wonder: Even with a Note 2, will I wish the display was bigger? Might I be better off with a small 4g phone that lives in my pocket and a Nexus 7 to tether to it? The price difference between a Razr M and a Note 2 would more than pay for a Nexus 7, so it's not a completely unreasonable comparison.
I'd value the thoughts of experienced smartphone users on this matter, particularly if you've used several of the devices I've mentioned above.
Nobody Important said:
Hi all,
I'm currently on a Galaxy Nexus and due for an upgrade on Verizon. I'm reading through the threads comparing the DNA and the Note 2, and I haven't yet made up my mind which I'd prefer. But I'm noticing the trend toward bigger phones, and I totally get it -- a bigger, high resolution display is a nicer experience for anything visual. And I can't help but wonder: Even with a Note 2, will I wish the display was bigger? Might I be better off with a small 4g phone that lives in my pocket and a Nexus 7 to tether to it? The price difference between a Razr M and a Note 2 would more than pay for a Nexus 7, so it's not a completely unreasonable comparison.
I'd value the thoughts of experienced smartphone users on this matter, particularly if you've used several of the devices I've mentioned above.
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I can't imagine anything bigger than the N2 being used as a primary phone. You get used to the N2's size, and it actually seems smaller the more you use it, but you still can't do a lot of things one-handed. What you said about extra screen real estate is true; it makes everything you do better. Consuming content, texting and e-mailing, web browsing, and navigating menus and making selections. But it's big and heavier than traditional high-end phones. I have a 3G 10.1" tablet and when a had a One X I used the tablet 90% of the time for anything content related because of the size difference between their displays. With the N2 it's about 35/65%. 7" or 10.1" is still better for content than 5.5". A two-device solution could be a DNA or 4.7/4.8" phone and a 7" or 10" tablet. I can't imagine replacing a tablet with the N2 even though it's better at a lot of things than a phone with a more traditional display size.
Oh, here we go again...
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BarryH_GEG said:
You get used to the N2's size, and it actually seems smaller the more you use it, but you still can't do a lot of things one-handed.
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What kind of things can you do one-handed on Note 2?
what i don't get is why there's so many note 2 proponents in the DNA section...
this thread is as useless as my nipples
because. there aren't already like 3 of these threads already
When I first ordered the DNA, I had plans to use it as "my tablet" but since getting it on Monday I absolutely love it, coming from a 4' screen, I was a bit scared of the overwhelming 5' screen. but I plan to keep the inc4 as my music player, DNA as daily, and getting the Nexus 7 for tablet for xmas.
I suggest trying the phone out you will love it!
The build quality is like none other, there's a few kinks with the custom recoveries, but i'll get sorted out soon.
S-OFF is also in the works, this phone is a powerhouse!
milan03 said:
What kind of things can you do one-handed on Note 2?
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Quite a bit if you set it up right. If you put all the apps you use most in the lower 1/3 of a home screen you can reach them all pretty easily if you have decent size hands. So I can open and select e-mails to read, same thing for MMS and contacts. I can also open and read my calendar. You can't dial a number or reply to an e-mail or MMS one handed without using S Voice; at least without worrying about dropping the phone. I can call anyone in my contact list one handed because it's easy to open and scroll (vs. typing the number in) with one hand. Palming the device and using your thumb you can reach about 1/3 of the way in at the very top of display and fully across the bottom 1/3. One really positive thing about the size is it's easier to use when you're in motion like in a rental car van, subway, or any place else where you're bounced around by movement. A bigger target's much easier to hit (with one or both hands). Necessity is the mother of invention.
I know you’re not a fan of the N2’s size and don't even consider it a phone but I wish you could try one for a couple of days. To your point (and I totally agree), there are quite a few things you have to learn to do differently but once you’re used to it it’s not really that bad. And like OP said there’s a lot of upside to having more screen real estate to work with.
I also have one of these which makes it tons easier to do stuff without becoming “one of those people” that look all too self-important wearing a BT headset 24/7. Although you get more attention talking to a pen then you do holding a giant slab of plastic (the N2) against your face.
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I was a bit scared of the overwhelming 5' screen.
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It's 2/10 of an inch bigger than the SGS3's and 3/10" of an inch bigger than the One X's.
It all comes down to personal preference. For my son, it's the Note 2. For me, with YEARS upon years of experience ( ) it's the DNA - no brainer.
As always, YMMV.
And I think my son is secretly jealous.
I have a GN2 and really like it. I'd probably really like a DNA if I had one.
They both bring a feature that I consider extremely important - the large screen size is easier on my poor eyesight. I'll never go back to a small phone, and I don't necessarily think the GN2 is at the upper limit for size. When a bigger phone comes out I'm going to try it out and see
You should experiment with both until you find a reason to like one more than the other, and decide for yourself. IMO they're both fantastic, industry-leading phones, and they both have their fine points. My phone is the right fit for me, but you can only find out for yourself. If you take an honest approach to evaluating phones you might be surprised at what you end up thinking are the most important features.
Good luck in your search!
Thanks to all of you for your thoughtful responses. I'm particularly interested, though, in users who have tried the two-device strategy (my 'secret third option' in the OP). Is this viable? If I had both a DNA and a Nexus 7, would I find myself leaving the N7 at home since the display and power of the DNA are plenty, or will I be grabbing the N7 constantly since the extra display real estate is so nice? It's so hard to tell how you'll use a gadget until you're actually using it...
BarryH_GEG said:
It's 2/10 of an inch bigger than the SGS3's and 3/10" of an inch bigger than the One X's.
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yea, but I', coming from a 4' LTE phone..
also, the 3/10' does make a bit of a diff, the one X I can hold in my hand much better than the DNA
DNA's a VZW phone. Can't be used outside the US (+ It's CDMA technology, just as bad as being a republican, I guess); note2 is good, but I'll go for the HTC butterfly, pre-ordered for Christmas!
To the forum admins... Are you planning on creating a HTC butterfly section, or do we have to wait till you guys get your developer handsets?
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Cookie Ninja said:
DNA's a VZW phone. Can't be used outside the US (+ It's CDMA technology, just as bad as being a republican, I guess);
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HTC Droid DNA is GSM Unlocked smartphone out of the box. Works with any SIM card on almost any global carrier of your choice.
Besides being a SIM unlocked GSM phone, it clearly supports CDMA + EvDO + Band 13 LTE for Verizon's native network.
milan03 said:
What kind of things can you do one-handed on Note 2?
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I know the question wasn't directed at me, but I can do everything one-handed in my Note 2, save for playing certain games which would require two hands with any phone anyways.
Ok sonny, it works with TMo, but still on 850/1900 GSM and 2100 AWS, still not fit for using outside the US, go learn. The ROW uses GSM & LTE on very different bands. GSM radio and a micro-SIM slot on the DNA is to give it a thin veneer of being a 'world phone', same tech as on dinc 4G, and all other VZW-specific phones.
The penta-band Nokia and Motorola offerings in the US fare much better. Learnt with bitter experience after buying a Palm pre at bestbuy, five-six years ago, only to return it six months later (when I came back to pay a visit to my sis & parents).
Edit...
Trust me in this Milan03, if you're using a US specific phone, however brand new it is, you are still behind the times....
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Cookie Ninja said:
Ok sonny, it works with TMo, but still on 850/1900 GSM and 2100 AWS, still not fit for using outside the US, go learn. The ROW uses GSM & LTE on very different bands. GSM radio and a micro-SIM slot on the DNA is to give it a thin veneer of being a 'world phone', same tech as on dinc 4G, and all other VZW-specific phones.
The penta-band Nokia and Motorola offerings in the US fare much better. Learnt with bitter experience after buying a Palm pre at bestbuy, five-six years ago, only to return it six months later (when I came back to pay a visit to my sis & parents).
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You've failed to prove that DNA can't be used overseas. I don't care if you like Nokia or Moto better, you're missing the point.
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 and HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100 out of the box is pretty much everywhere. MiniSIM or MicroSIM it doesn't matter. Global capabilities are there.
Oh, and T-Mobile doesn't have 850Mhz holdings anywhere in the US. Get your facts straight, mkay?
milan03 said:
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 and HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100 out of the box is pretty much everywhere.
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You're right. Native multi-band GSM support is included in the unified SoC/radio of all Qualcomm's S4 chips. So is LTE but different chips are shipped with different bands enabled. That's why N4 owners have been able to kluge LTE on a theoretically GSM-only device. CDMA devices require an additional radio which means the DNA has two radios where GSM/LTE S4 devices have one. The space that extra radio needed may have been what cost you guys an SD card slot.
BarryH_GEG said:
You're right. Native multi-band GSM support is included in the unified SoC/radio of all Qualcomm's S4 chips. So is LTE but different chips are shipped with different bands enabled. That's why N4 owners have been able to kluge LTE on a theoretically GSM-only device. CDMA devices require an additional radio which means the DNA has two radios where GSM/LTE S4 devices have one. The space that extra radio needed may have been what cost you guys an SD card slot.
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Actually, with Qualcomm's MDM9615 28nm baseband chipset, CDMA and GSM radio is integrated with full voice support, all on a single die. Fusion with two radios no longer needed. Also, quad-core S4 Pro's don't have integrated radios on the SoC anymore, thats only on Duals.
HTC J Butterfly is on KDDI network which is also CDMA + LTE, and it has SDcard slot, so the reason why DNA doesn't have card slot has nothing to do with design compromises. It has a lot to do with Verizon.
N4 LTE on Band 4 situation = careless LG software engineering team that forgot to disable it. They're also using MDM9x15 chipset, the same as in LG Optimus G which has similar RF paths so the hardware is there.
At this point they'll either have to disable it in future updates, or send another filing to FCC. Right now this could be a legal issue for accessing unlicensed spectrum.
milan03 said:
Actually, with Qualcomm's MDM9615 28nm baseband chipset, CDMA radio is integrated with full voice support. Fusion with two radios no longer needed.
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Thanks for the correction; I don't follow CDMA that closely and just made an assumption. And there are two version of S4 Pro. The MSM8960T (dual-core) does have the cellular modem on-board while the APQ8064 (quad-core) doesn't. Since the architecture's the same I thought the wireless capabilities were too. But that brings us back to the earlier battery life discussion as having discrete cellular radios shouldn't be as efficient energy usage wise which was touted by Qualcomm as a benefit of earlier S4 chips having them integrated.
Cookie Ninja said:
DNA's a VZW phone. Can't be used outside the US (+ It's CDMA technology, just as bad as being a republican, I guess); note2 is good, but I'll go for the HTC butterfly, pre-ordered for Christmas!
To the forum admins... Are you planning on creating a HTC butterfly section, or do we have to wait till you guys get your developer handsets?
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really,guy?
Hi guys. I've been out of the android game a little bit so I'm lost and my son is wanting a Galaxy S6 Edge.
His mom(doesn't stay with us) said she was going to get him one for his birthday, well that looks like it may not happen now
so I think I'll bite the bullet and buy one for him. Good kid, good grades, stays out of trouble.
I'm on AT&T in the US and trying to figure out which variant I should get.
Should I just bite the bullet and go the AT&T store route using Next or I should I buy an international version and be ok?
Would he miss out on anything like Visual Voicemail going with an International version? There will be no rooting or any other flashing done to the phone.
I see G925F, G920F and G925I on ebay and Amazon in the $600 no tax and free shipping range vs $720 + tax at AT&T
Which one would you guys recommend and if I should go ebay, amazon or at&t?
I thought about getting the international and throwing it on a new no interest card for 12-15 months and going that route vs ATT Next. Seems like I would save about $200 although going to the store I could pick it up and make sure it doesn't have bad pixels before walking out the door. I need to run the numbers
Thanks
Daps
Be very carefull buying from ebay there are a lot of fakes about .
pnr2020 said:
Be very carefull buying from ebay there are a lot of fakes about .
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Yeah that's my fear with ebay and some of the Amazon comments have been questionable. I'd put it on a credit card so I'd have some protection there but would hate having to jump through hoops.
does it have to be the edge? but yeah, I would recommend an unlock international version either way especially if you're currently with a GSM provider. I just recently ordered my gf the unlocked international S6 duos from B&H. luckily the colour she wanted happened to be the one that's currently selling for less at the moment.
LTE is working for both my Note 5 duos SIMs which seemed to be a concern for some people about the duos version.
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does it have to be the edge? but yeah, I would recommend an unlock international version either way especially if you're currently with a GSM provider. I just recently ordered my gf the unlocked international S6 duos from B&H. luckily the colour she wanted happened to be the one that's currently selling for less at the moment.
LTE is working for both my Note 5 duos SIMs which seemed to be a concern for some people about the duos version.
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Thanks. So which of the the models I listed above would be the one.
Yeah he wants the Edge so that's what I'll get, good kid, makes the grades, doesn't ask for a lot. My older 19yo son that's on my plan bought the non Edge S6 out right but he has a job and saves and buys what he wants so you gotta love that.
Daps said:
Thanks. So which of the the models I listed above would be the one.
Yeah he wants the Edge so that's what I'll get, good kid, makes the grades, doesn't ask for a lot. My older 19yo son that's on my plan bought the non Edge S6 out right but he has a job and saves and buys what he wants so you gotta love that.
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well, anything 920 is out, because that's the S6 body.
go to B&H and check the specifications for the supported bands. they do have an unlocked G925A specifically for ATT. B&H is the biz - I get a ton of camera gear from there (and Adorama). return policy is awesome. one week full money-back if purchased in-store. 30 days if shipped to your home. of course, shipping is on you.
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tallazzPilipino said:
well, anything 920 is out, because that's the S6 body.
go to B&H and check the specifications for the supported bands. they do have an unlocked G925A specifically for ATT. B&H is the biz - I get a ton of camera gear from there (and Adorama). return policy is awesome. one week full money-back if purchased in-store. 30 days if shipped to your home. of course, shipping is on you.
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Who is B&H?? Got a website? Are they in the states?
ETA: ok I found the site. Looks like the only A they have is in Black. He was wanting the Gold. Still may pick up one of the other versions in gold on that site. Thanks for the info
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Who is B&H?? Got a website? Are they in the states?
ETA: ok I found the site. Looks like the only A they have is in Black. He was wanting the Gold. Still may pick up one of the other versions in gold on that site. Thanks for the info
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they're in Manhattan. they even have an app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bhphoto
and the sapphire black has a blue reflection. here's a pic of my S6e...
gl
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What's the difference between these two other than one is region locked and one's not.
The region locked seems to be higher. I'm in the US and AT&T both look to support ATT bands
925i
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1140483-REG/samsung_g925i_32gb_gold_galaxy_s6_edge_g925i.html
925f
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1168577-REG/samsung_g925f_32gb_gold_galaxy_s6_edge_32gb.html
Will ATT Visual Voicemail work? MMS?
Does going to AT&T and buying one gain me anything over these other than spending $200
Daps said:
What's the difference between these two other than one is region locked and one's not.
The region locked seems to be higher. I'm in the US and AT&T both look to support ATT bands
925i
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1140483-REG/samsung_g925i_32gb_gold_galaxy_s6_edge_g925i.html
925f
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1168577-REG/samsung_g925f_32gb_gold_galaxy_s6_edge_32gb.html
Will ATT Visual Voicemail work? MMS?
Does going to AT&T and buying one gain me anything over these other than spending $200
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well, you're guaranteed everything works. ATT bootloader is locked, if you care about rooting. you'll get all the ATT bloatware. i'm not sure if the ATT handsets have their branding on it. there may be some difference in bands support (if you plan on traveling abroad with your phone and using it). but if the phone is just going to remain under ATT's network, domestically, I don't think getting one from them can be a bad idea.
as for vvm and mms, I couldn't even tell you. I personally don't use either.
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tallazzPilipino said:
well, you're guaranteed everything works. ATT bootloader is locked, if you care about rooting. you'll get all the ATT bloatware. i'm not sure if the ATT handsets have their branding on it. there may be some difference in bands support (if you plan on traveling abroad with your phone and using it). but if the phone is just going to remain under ATT's network, domestically, I don't think getting one from them can be a bad idea.
as for vvm and mms, I couldn't even tell you. I personally don't use either.
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FWIW, My AT&T S6 edge has some Samsung software/settings removed that some people have said are good (ie, the download booster). I found this thread since I'm getting ready to exchange my AT&T locked s6edge for an unlocked one.
Also, are you sure your son won't want to root his phone? I had my phone for 4 days before realizing I'd really like to root my phone.
Also, my research (on the B&H site) shows that the AT&T specific version has fewer bands (LTE especially) for when travelling abroad.
The reason to go AT&T imo is their lay-away plan, but if you are buying outright I don't see the win. (But I haven't done the alternative yet).
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One clarification I noticed... the 925F has all the bands of the 925A (AT&T phone) and then some. The 925I is missing 4g-lte band "20" that the AT&T phone has, according to B&H specs. So I'd avoid the 925i for AT&T in the states.
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FWIW, My AT&T S6 edge has some Samsung software/settings removed that some people have said are good (ie, the download booster). I found this thread since I'm getting ready to exchange my AT&T locked s6edge for an unlocked one.
Also, are you sure your son won't want to root his phone? I had my phone for 4 days before realizing I'd really like to root my phone.
Also, my research (on the B&H site) shows that the AT&T specific version has fewer bands (LTE especially) for when travelling abroad.
The reason to go AT&T imo is their lay-away plan, but if you are buying outright I don't see the win. (But I haven't done the alternative yet).
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One clarification I noticed... the 925F has all the bands of the 925A (AT&T phone) and then some. The 925I is missing 4g-lte band "20" that the AT&T phone has, according to B&H specs. So I'd avoid the 925i for AT&T in the states.
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He just turned 13 so he won't be rooting. If he wants to buy a phone himself then he can do whatever he wants to it. Not taking the chance of it bricking.
Neither of us will be traveling abroad. If I was buying for me the International would be a no brainer but since I'm getting it for him. I want to make sure there won't be quirks on AT&T
I read a thread on this forum where some people said they weren't getting full LTE speeds on the international versions on AT&T. I'm still researching. Wonder if it's the modem software. Thanks for the heads up about the 925i. I over looked that.
His mom was supposed to get him the phone for his 13th birthday but now says it'll be two weeks. If she doesn't come through. I'm going to bite the bullet and get it for him. I have custody so maybe it would be best if I just got the phone and have him on my plan so I can monitor it if need be.
B&H has an AT&T branded but it's the wrong color. Still not sure why he wants the gold.
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B&H has an AT&T branded but it's the wrong color. Still not sure why he wants the gold.
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He's 13 -- Because it's pimp.
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He's 13 -- Because it's pimp.
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HAHA You're right.
I mean it doesn't look bad really.
I like the White Platinum though
I agree - the gold is really something else. till you actually get it in hand, you don't realise just how sexy it really is. I wish I got it over my black sapphire S6e.
(the gold S6d I got my gf)
of course, I still prefer the white pearl.
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Still debating on a AT&T branded phone vs International version. I found new unlocked AT&T Edge Plus on ebay almost the same price as a regular 6 Edge unlocked. $70 difference but that thing is kind of big so now I'm debating on going the ebay route for the Edge Plus or sticking with the regular s6 edge.
If I did get the international SM-G925F for my son to use on AT&T. How would he get updates pushed to him? Like the update to Marshmallow? Would he have to use a computer to update it or would Samsung just push it to the phone?
ETA:Looking at B&H says it has a 1yr limited warranty through B&H. Is the Samsung one voided because it's unlocked?
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Still debating on a AT&T branded phone vs International version. I found new unlocked AT&T Edge Plus on ebay almost the same price as a regular 6 Edge unlocked. $70 difference but that thing is kind of big so now I'm debating on going the ebay route for the Edge Plus or sticking with the regular s6 edge.
If I did get the international SM-G925F for my son to use on AT&T. How would he get updates pushed to him? Like the update to Marshmallow? Would he have to use a computer to update it or would Samsung just push it to the phone?
ETA:Looking at B&H says it has a 1yr limited warranty through B&H. Is the Samsung one voided because it's unlocked?
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the updates are over the air (OTA), and may be released even earlier than carrier models.
I'm guessing that if the warranty is not directly through the manufacturer via B&H, then B&H may be offering an equivalent because the international models are from different other markets. you can always verify with them, but they're a highly regarded business, so you shouldn't have to worry.
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Thanks for your help
I think I'm just going to order a G925F from B&H. It's only a few cents different than Amazon but I think it may be easier to deal with a warranty issue if it comes up with B&H than a seller on Amazon since it'll be 3rd party and not sold by Amazon.
eBay has a ATT branded Edge Plus for 699 but I think that may be too big for him to carry in his pocket during school hours.
Looks like the new Jetech glass is getting thumbs up from the thread I read so I'll put that on it and get a Spigen case or maybe a flip cover case I saw on Amazon.
Thanks again
Daps said:
Thanks for your help
I think I'm just going to order a G925F from B&H. It's only a few cents different than Amazon but I think it may be easier to deal with a warranty issue if it comes up with B&H than a seller on Amazon since it'll be 3rd party and not sold by Amazon.
eBay has a ATT branded Edge Plus for 699 but I think that may be too big for him to carry in his pocket during school hours.
Looks like the new Jetech glass is getting thumbs up from the thread I read so I'll put that on it and get a Spigen case or maybe a flip cover case I saw on Amazon.
Thanks again
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good luck.
oh, and I just happen to get another OTA update on my unlocked international model N5. hehe
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Down here in India, carrier locked phones are extremely rare. The "international" version of any phone is common. We just walk into a showroom, buy a phone, any phone and done. We have a fully factory unlocked "international" version of the phone.
So tell me, in the United States, can't you just walk into a showroom and get a factory unlocked "international" version of a phone?
Hey guys, I'm really interested in this phone, and don't think I can wait for it to release in the US.
I want to buy the international version of this phone, so I don't have to wait, have it unlocked and have a better chance of root.
My concern is that the signal (bands/freq) will differ in some way when I try to use this on my AT&T account. I'm even sure I'm phrasing that right...
Before, I knew that international phones didn't support LTE because of the different processor.
I just want to make sure I will get the same signal strength and data experience with the International version of this phone vs the AT&T variant.
Is it better for me just to wait for the AT&T variant to come out?
You'll prolly get it cheaper if you wait.
Release date is end of October for VZW and Tmobile.... Early November for AT&T... According to what an LG product specialist wrote on reddit
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Wait
buy korean variant.
Korean variants are always the best choice...
Why that?
Wait. Better band support and roms.
Completely depends on the bands you can use. But I would wait. They'll announce it in the US before the end of October as H960, fit for the US market (and in black).
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Btw there is no intl. version. Only korean versions are offered on ebay. The US version H960 will be the one with the most frequency bands...
wolfgart said:
buy korean variant.
Korean variants are always the best choice...
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ahahaah always Korean?
devadip said:
ahahaah always Korean?
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Always korean
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wolfgart said:
Always korean
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Why? I mean what exactly are the benefits of the korean variants? (mine is being shipped to me right now)
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Why? I mean what exactly are the benefits of the korean variants? (mine is being shipped to me right now)
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Because korean LG devices are at all another experience compared to all other variants.
You will see by your eyes what i'm tell you
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Why? I mean what exactly are the benefits of the korean variants? (mine is being shipped to me right now)
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There is no benefit. I think he's just making a joke.
Some of that stigma comes from how Samsung phones used to be shipped. They used to make the international phone from an Exynos processor and send the US the Qualcomm processor variant which people deemed worse and slower. Now Samsung sends everybody the Exynos processor.
One thing that still remains a mystery is accessories. The US variant may or may not get the headphones. We don't know yet.
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There is no benefit. I think he's just making a joke.
Some of that stigma comes from how Samsung phones used to be shipped. They used to make the international phone from an Exynos processor and send the US the Qualcomm processor variant which people deemed worse and slower. Now Samsung sends everybody the Exynos processor.
One thing that still remains a mystery is accessories. The US variant may or may not get the headphones. We don't know yet.
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I saw an unboxing of a pre-release T-mobile variant, and the box lacked headphones unfortunately. I don't know this for fact, but I assume that AT&T will be the same...
No Band 12 on Tmo
I got the F600L (Korean variant) and am getting < 1 Mbps speeds -- always showing 3G HSPA+. This won't do.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/zteusainc/m...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562
They still sell it on the regular website and Best Buy and New Egg are still selling them on ebay. But this is very interesting that they have stopped selling it on ebay.
If they don't have any stock, how would they be running anything on eBay? I don't think ebay lets you run pre-orders and such. I'd bet it will come back up when stock arrive shortly.
It's no about stock actually.
They don't want non-US users to get the chance to buy the US model outside of the US. Which you were able to using eBay.
I was told by BHPhoto that they are restricted by ZTE to sell the device to non-US customers.
The US version is the better one compared to the international model.
Lucky me I have a buddy in NY area who got the newegg pre-order of the grey version and will forward it to me. I'm in Europe and have tested the A2017G. Sent it back as I'm waiting for the A2017U (US Model).
how is that the U model is better then G?
Aimara said:
how is that the U model is better then G?
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Easy for Unlock bootloader and easy to fix soft-brick , probably more buy those 2 comes first!!
oh ok , now that they halt the sale outside us ,seem like its just for you guys , well it should promote more and increase the community , frankly speaking just this year i heard of this brand , hmmm where has it been all these years
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It's no about stock actually.
They don't want non-US users to get the chance to buy the US model outside of the US. Which you were able to using eBay.
I was told by BHPhoto that they are restricted by ZTE to sell the device to non-US customers.
The US version is the better one compared to the international model.
Lucky me I have a buddy in NY area who got the newegg pre-order of the grey version and will forward it to me. I'm in Europe and have tested the A2017G. Sent it back as I'm waiting for the A2017U (US Model).
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Could you please detail why G version would be worse than U. It is same hardware and only modem is different but modem behaves better in G as read comments anywhere? What do you expect from U? If you have software issues I am sure that if any is fixed in one of two it will be sorted out on other one too.
obladi64 said:
Could you please detail why G version would be worse than U. It is same hardware and only modem is different but modem behaves better in G as read comments anywhere? What do you expect from U? If you have software issues I am sure that if any is fixed in one of two it will be sorted out on other one too.
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Actually only a few points that tipped it over for me in favor for the U version.
A: Better Software support from ZTE USA.
B: The U version has VoLTE which is supported in ROM/Baseband. The G version does not and never will. (Not supported in the modem firmware).
C: U version allows you to enter EDL mode (Qualcomms Emergency Download Mode). I need this as I'm a dev. The G version can only enter DFU mode.
D: All the band's that are required in my Euro country and in the US are supported. I travel to friends in the US and don't want to have to switch phones.
E: With the newegg pre-order you were given free headphones for around 200$. After customs it will be the same price as the G version in euros but with additional free high quality headphones.
F: My buddy tested the phone for "bad signal reception" and other faults/defects I mentioned to look out for. For over a week before sending the device over. Else I would have told him to send it back.
He is using an OP3 and even compared them as a daily driver. He said it's on par with the OP3. He even said the Axon7 is like "stuck on 4G" while his OP3 loses 4G occasionally and gets 3G only.
He is an experienced IT tech. I trust his judgement.
He is even thinking about selling his OP3 and to grab an Axon7 as soon as CM is done.
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Could you please detail why G version would be worse than U. It is same hardware and only modem is different but modem behaves better in G as read comments anywhere? What do you expect from U? If you have software issues I am sure that if any is fixed in one of two it will be sorted out on other one too.
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The G model has a lower volume cap, possibly due to EU regulations, while the U model has a much higher cap. The G model also seems to have more issues with bootloader unlocking, while the U model is pretty straight forward.
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Actually only a few points that tipped it over for me in favor for the U version.
A: Better Software support from ZTE USA.
B: The U version has VoLTE which is supported in ROM/Baseband. The G version does not and never will. (Not supported in the modem firmware).
C: U version allows you to enter EDL mode (Qualcomms Emergency Download Mode). I need this as I'm a dev. The G version can only enter DFU mode.
D: All the band's that are required in my Euro country and in the US are supported. I travel to friends in the US and don't want to have to switch phones.
E: With the newegg pre-order you were given free headphones for around 200$. After customs it will be the same price as the G version in euros but with additional free high quality headphones.
F: My buddy tested the phone for "bad signal reception" and other faults/defects I mentioned to look out for. For over a week before sending the device over. Else I would have told him to send it back.
He is using an OP3 and even compared them as a daily driver. He said it's on par with the OP3. He even said the Axon7 is like "stuck on 4G" while his OP3 loses 4G occasionally and gets 3G only.
He is an experienced IT tech. I trust his judgement.
He is even thinking about selling his OP3 and to grab an Axon7 as soon as CM is done.
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Thanks for the details. You see it from developer point of view mainly as I see.
A) I don't know. May be but as I see much less G related problem was reported than U.
B) May be but Volte is not as wide spreaded in EU as in US. as far as I know. Otherwise It looks that workaroud (if not the final solution) for signal issue of US model is turning Volte off, so you can get in same boat easily.
C) I don't know how important it is for avaradge users. Orherwise it is also software fearure if I understand it well.
D) You are lucky. Not eveeybody can say that US bands cover of his/her country exactly.
E) Just because of this fact US version is not better. It is only cheaper.
F) It is strange because mostly US users complain for signal reception. I haven't had any issue with. G. It works perfectly and expectedly in big city as well as low signal country area. As I mentioned earlier it looks that workaroud (if not the final solution) for signal issue of US model is turning Volte off.
Also I read that overwriting field APN manually can solve few cell issues. I did it due to orher reason and I don't have any issue.
So after all you didn't mentioned anything why U would be better for users except Volte. It is just your taste and chance to get it cheaper.
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Thanks for the details. You see it from developer point of view mainly as I see.
A) I don't know. May be but as I see much less G related problem was reported than U.
B) May be but Volte is not as wide spreaded in EU as in US. as far as I know. Otherwise It looks that workaroud (if not the final solution) for signal issue of US model is turning Volte off, so you can get in same boat easily.
C) I don't know how important it is for avaradge users. Orherwise it is also software fearure if I understand it well.
D) You are lucky. Not eveeybody can say that US bands cover of his/her country exactly.
E) Just because of this fact US version is not better. It is only cheaper.
F) It is strange because mostly US users complain for signal reception. I haven't had any issue with. G. It works perfectly and expectedly in big city as well as low signal country area. As I mentioned earlier it looks that workaroud (if not the final solution) for signal issue of US model is turning Volte off.
Also I read that overwriting field APN manually can solve few cell issues. I did it due to orher reason and I don't have any issue.
So after all you didn't mentioned anything why U would be better for users except Volte. It is just your taste and chance to get it cheaper.
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That's why I said it's only a few points for _me_ and not for _all_ users.
And as I have a chance to get all those pros for the same price in the end it is a no brainer.
Also I do not believe that the antenna is so much different to the G model. It is more likely that a few batches had a bad antenna build-in and when ZTE realized that, due to complains, new batches after the affected one's were sent off, were all build with a better antenna in place.
The Chinese and US Models were on the first batches. The international ones were produced later. Look into Chinese forums complaining about reception problems.
Unfortunate it is how the greedy corporate industry world works today. Sell those affected phones until enough users complain. If they complain, offer an exchange. If they don't they made profit.
Just look at the Samsung Note 7 disaster. Same **** is happening there.
Not to mention Samsungs Panel Lottery for their TV which has been going on for a decade.
I worked for Huawei Europe HQ and could write a book about how corporations do their quality check behind the doors. Just saying I'm never gone touch a Huawei phone because of what I know.
(Don't ask I signed an nondisclosure agreement.)
In the end it's on you to decide if you want to keep the phone or not. Or if you want to pay 399$ with more pros or 449euro for more cons.
Isn't the chinese A2017 model better than the rest? I mean... like, you know... 6gb RAM vs 4gb... 128gb internal vs 64... and you can use all the U unlocks/tools w/ no issue?
Seems that many of you forget that having US version in Europe you are out of warranty.
To many customers warranty is very important to them.
Also EU has 3 years warranty policy while US 2 years.
I'm having a month now both gold and gray G version and no reception /WiFi issue at all.
Compared to my S7 Edge the call reception is the same level and WiFi is better.
Also G version will have in coming weeks official root and boot loader unlocked from ZTE without loosing the warranty.
Even that US version is getting first the official software updates it's just matter of time(less than 1 month) until G version also received the software update for the specific region(Europe)
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Just curious does the u model comes from the ZTE USA down in texas? I presumed warranty is by them as well?
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That's why I said it's only a few points for _me_ and not for _all_ users.
And as I have a chance to get all those pros for the same price in the end it is a no brainer.
Also I do not believe that the antenna is so much different to the G model. It is more likely that a few batches had a bad antenna build-in and when ZTE realized that, due to complains, new batches after the affected one's were sent off, were all build with a better antenna in place.
The Chinese and US Models were on the first batches. The international ones were produced later. Look into Chinese forums complaining about reception problems.
Unfortunate it is how the greedy corporate industry world works today. Sell those affected phones until enough users complain. If they complain, offer an exchange. If they don't they made profit.
Just look at the Samsung Note 7 disaster. Same **** is happening there.
Not to mention Samsungs Panel Lottery for their TV which has been going on for a decade.
I worked for Huawei Europe HQ and could write a book about how corporations do their quality check behind the doors. Just saying I'm never gone touch a Huawei phone because of what I know.
(Don't ask I signed an nondisclosure agreement.)
In the end it's on you to decide if you want to keep the phone or not. Or if you want to pay 399$ with more pros or 449euro for more cons.
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You could be right. That's how the world works. You also are not enemy of your money as well as no one else.
Regarding the price I would say that EU price contains the average 21% EU VAT. So it means that price of EU version would be between $410 or 415 in US. So it is not a big deal. Also I think that EU citizens should pay duty if they import from US but it is already off topic.
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Isn't the chinese A2017 model better than the rest? I mean... like, you know... 6gb RAM vs 4gb... 128gb internal vs 64... and you can use all the U unlocks/tools w/ no issue?
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No, bad band support.
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Also I think that EU citizens should pay duty if they import from US but it is already off topic.
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They do. Just not on specific electronics like Notebooks, Computer Hardware, Cell phones etc
Oddly enough, amazon has also stopped selling the phone. I guess it could just be sold out though.
Hm, still "in stock" at amazon.com:
https://www.amazon.com/ZTE-Axon-unl...TF8&qid=1476347129&sr=8-3&keywords=zte+axon+7
Amazon.com has gold for $399.98, but the grey (which is what I want...) is $479.00. What gives???
Hey Guys,
I just had to buy another v60 because I had purchased an AT&T version while using T-Mobile. The phone works until July when Tmo phases outs some legacy bands. So I bought a proper T-Mobile LG V60. I went all out and bought a genuine new one and its great but I noticed it weighs A LOT LESS than my previous AT&T. Its weighs 7.6oz, which matches specs, so I'm not worried, but its my older AT&T I'm wondering about, it weighs 8.2oz! I always thought it was heavy and just attributed it to the 5000mah batt. Can anyone with an AT&T confirm that theirs is also that heavy(8.2oz)??
It's possible that the difference in weight is due to the modem (i. e. CDMA vs. GSM, if that applies). Other than that, I don't know what else could be the cause.
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It's possible that the difference in weight is due to the modem (i. e. CDMA vs. GSM, if that applies). Other than that, I don't know what else could be the cause.
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Ok thanks for the input. It's like a brick compared to my new phone. It even stays cooler longer because of the extra mass when charging. I've searched the forums, reddit and Google and can't find any reference to the extra weight. I guess you wouldn't notice unless you had bought two different versions of the phone though.