So whats up guys! i just got my nexus 10 and damn its awesome, so good, that i made an unboxing video , but stay tuned, ill be doing lots more including comparisons with my T-prime..
http://youtu.be/1mQI6Z-wo0Y - Unboxing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C56tlPa_QL8 - Initial impressions and hands on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1IvHifal98 - boot up test vs Transformer Prime
http://youtu.be/rlUXjto2VAw - Profile switching
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=M12ineGx1BA - gaming performance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmzEtd3vtnA - Video performance
http://youtu.be/iKuYoyo-pH8 - Browser Performance!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jgy5M41IdM - Full review
http://youtu.be/kYdqPRw1-vc ( may still be uploading) - Transformer Prime tf201 vs Nexus 10
http://www.youtube.com/my_videos_edi...id=-W0FmNKHEQw - HDMI OUT- gaming
anything specific you wanna see? ill try and get round to it tomorrow if there is
Check the black level, light bleed, how vivid are the colours too?
I can do all these test, but iv kinda lost the light for today.. so ill do more videos tomorrow
i'd really like to know the weight (in grams) of the entire package..so including the box Google shipped it in. Do you have a scale by any chance
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i'd really like to know the weight (in grams) of the entire package..so including the box Google shipped it in. Do you have a scale by any chance
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674 grams according to the TNT label
on the delivery note it says "total weight :0.674kg"
Thank you both!
Done more videos today! lots more coming. check out the OP for info
Cheers for the videos, how to playback 1080p video files would be a good start for me
Yea im going to be doing Video playback performance soon
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Yea im going to be doing Video playback performance soon
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I'm struggling to get anything mkv / mp4 to play
Can you show us a HD movie on the N.10..I for one would love to see something..thanks
Regarding that boot up clip of the Transformer TF200 vs N10, not really a fair comparison unless both are fresh factory resets (or brand new, you get my point). Can you confirm?
Nice videos, thx for your work!
I'm sure you'll do one on video playback, here are some samples for testing (most pushing the boundaries):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1989223
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1995176
As far as regular video playback goes, would you mind testing some HD MKVs, AVIs and MP4s how does the stock player and MX/BS perform and if you can play them from an external storage?
Piss off.... I have to wait until Monday night to play with mine.
Screenshot of Settings--->Display Settings
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anything specific you wanna see? ill try and get round to it tomorrow if there is
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It would be great if you could post the following two screenshots:
1.) A screenshot showing the version (as proof that the tablet has recieved the latest udpate)
2.) A screenshot showing the Display Settings menu. I would like to see if it has an entry for wireless display. If the entry is not there, we can conclude that it does not currently support Miracast as there is alot of speculation regarding this.
Thanks - and enjoy your new device!
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Regarding that boot up clip of the Transformer TF200 vs N10, not really a fair comparison unless both are fresh factory resets (or brand new, you get my point). Can you confirm?
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neither of them are factor resets, they both have all the benchmark apps on them and a few games, but they are basically very similar in terms of apps
Gaming Performance - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=M12ineGx1BA
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It would be great if you could post the following two screenshots:
1.) A screenshot showing the version (as proof that the tablet has received the latest update)
2.) A screenshot showing the Display Settings menu. I would like to see if it has an entry for wireless display. If the entry is not there, we can conclude that it does not currently support Miracast as there is alot of speculation regarding this.
Thanks - and enjoy your new device!
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In terms of number 2, it doesn't have any mirror cast settings, i too , was really hoping it supported this..
here are the screen shots you requested... ( attached)
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Nice videos, thx for your work!
I'm sure you'll do one on video playback, here are some samples for testing (most pushing the boundaries):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1989223
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1995176
As far as regular video playback goes, would you mind testing some HD MKVs, AVIs and MP4s how does the stock player and MX/BS perform and if you can play them from an external storage?
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Thanks for the links, ill include these in my video
Related
I was wondering how good the selection of films and shows that Netflix UK has in comparison to LOVEFilm and also in terms of video quality. I'm tempted to sign up to one of these services for use mostly with my Prime.
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I was wondering how good the selection of films and shows that Netflix UK has in comparison to LOVEFilm and also in terms of video quality. I'm tempted to sign up to one of these services for use mostly with my Prime.
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There's a lot of content already and this will slowly grow over time. LOVEFilm only stream in standard def, yet require more bandwidth. I'm using netflix and I have to say, so far I'm enjoying it.
Here is a gizmodo article about the pros and cons of each:
http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2012/01/th...film-smackdown-which-one-is-worth-your-money/
Thanks, good read. So basically the video quality and TV Shows are better on Netflix but the movie selection is slightly better on LOVEFilm at the moment? Might give the Netflix free trial a run out tonight or tomorrow and see how I find it.
Thanks again.
I have been away form the android development for a while now as it didnt have the ability to view movies in it nor was there a tv-out. I was wondering if any of the more recent builds have addressed this? I am having a heck of a time finding it via thread search.
Nope, I don't think anyone got TV out working. There were always bigger fish to fry, and with the userbase not really clamoring for it... No dev ever worked on it.
All our code is open source, so anyone can pickup where we left off. I'd say the project is pretty much done tho.
Wait, the Rhodium has TV-Out hardware? I didn't even know it could do that in WinMo! That's... actually kinda cool, although with as dinky as its CPU is I'm not sure just how useful it would be anyway -- who wants to play a 240p YouTube video on a big TV?
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Wait, the Rhodium has TV-Out hardware? I didn't even know it could do that in WinMo! That's... actually kinda cool, although with as dinky as its CPU is I'm not sure just how useful it would be anyway -- who wants to play a 240p YouTube video on a big TV?
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It requires an additional dongle, which should have been provided if you got the phone brand new.
I've never used it - I can't imagine videos are a pleasant thing. Perhaps a presentation or pic slideshow would be cool tho.
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It requires an additional dongle, which should have been provided if you got the phone brand new.
I've never used it - I can't imagine videos are a pleasant thing. Perhaps a presentation or pic slideshow would be cool tho.
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I have used it and it is actually quite awesome! I have watched full size divx movies using TCPMP/Core both at home on 46" HD (just to test it) and at various hotels/resorts (cause I always have some new movies ready anytime I fly) and the quality is perfect! To my eye the rhods screen and the attached monitor are pixel for pixel identical. HQ youtube looks fantastic, the same as my HTPC playing youtube in 480p. Haven't tried powerpoint yet but the picture slideshow is kinda cool too.
This is just another reason that I love haret/SD builds from XDAndroid. This is a function that I do not use 99% of the time but it IS there when I need it. That and offline GPS are the 2 big ones that keep me attached to WM (and my BT ODBII scanner I guess, but I have a feeling I COULD get this rockin' in android...if I wanted to put in the time )
EDIT: LOL. ODBII = OBDII... Every damn time!! I blame Old Dirty Bastard
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I have used it and it is actually quite awesome! I have watched full size divx movies using TCPMP/Core both at home on 46" HD (just to test it) and at various hotels/resorts (cause I always have some new movies ready anytime I fly) and the quality is perfect! To my eye the rhods screen and the attached monitor are pixel for pixel identical. HQ youtube looks fantastic, the same as my HTPC playing youtube in 480p. Haven't tried powerpoint yet but the picture slideshow is kinda cool too.
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Pixel for pixel, gawd I hope not. 480x800 on an HD screen would probably look AWFUL.
Does it at least put it in a respectable aspect ratio...?
Really surprised anyone actually uses this, haha. I guess some dev can still pick it up? Has anyone even tried the TV Out in Android? Seriously doubt it works, just curious.
lol, yeah it outputs in VGA only. So you have to set your monitor either to have black bars on the sides or zoom(which is perfect for widescreen movies). I watch all my movies at home streaming using the divx web player so I am used to 480p on my HDTV(they may be a little smoother looking on the HTPC since its outputting 720p). These movies look pretty good to me(tho HD mkv changes everything). And free increases the resolution ten fold!!
Anyway, back on topic... I have never tried in GBX because I do not use an official cable for TV-Out and because of this I have to "trick" WM by changing the registry so that it will recognize my cable as a TV-Out and not just a headset as it senses automatically. It actually has to change the function of the pins of the mini usb and thus the headphone jack of the multifunction dongle. The sheer hackiness of the solution in WM tells me that there is no way in hell that it will work for me in android with my current hardware.
And, to be honest I don't really want it in android. Lets face it, without external power you could probably watch like one TV episode before the battery crapped out(okay, a bit of an exaggeration, I know, but you know what I mean).
EDIT: Even more off topic but I can't resist. I have ordered a usb OTG cable from hong kong for a buck and once I get it my next experiment will be trying to play a movie using TV-Out, off of an external hard drive, hopefully while on external power.
As long as there are still new things to try on my rhod I can put off getting a new phone... but I am running out fast!
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And, to be honest I don't really want it in android. Lets face it, without external power you could probably watch like one TV episode before the battery crapped out(okay, a bit of an exaggeration, I know, but you know what I mean).
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Either you haven't tried OMGB, or you're just not aware...
But that build gets as good if not better battery life than WinMo. Thanks to ACL's amazing work reversing the batt driver for WinMo...
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Either you haven't tried OMGB, or you're just not aware...
But that build gets as good if not better battery life than WinMo. Thanks to ACL's amazing work reversing the batt driver for WinMo...
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As good as winmo eh (or even better no less)... That would be something...
Yes I am aware of it, but you are right, I haven't tried it yet. I do see a lot of good things about the battery life, but I am still too fond of WM to call it quits... i know, i know, probably time to "embrace change"!
I actually get great battery life from you guys GBX (I have hacked the crap out of it). I go easily all day and night doing everything and more than in WM. I love them both!
I actually have never tried to watch divx (or anything else for that matter) on android. Have you arrrghhh?[EDIT: or anyone else?] Any experience with watching local video files on the rhodium running any build? Do you need any app?
I am curious now?
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I have been away form the android development for a while now as it didnt have the ability to view movies in it nor was there a tv-out. I was wondering if any of the more recent builds have addressed this? I am having a heck of a time finding it via thread search.
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I can now answer half of your question: You definitely have the ability to watch movies on the rhod running android.
I have just installed MX player from the market and am about 20 mins into a 700mb divx movie on GBX0C with kernel 3.4. So far it is playing very well (much better than I expected, especially with no OC!).
MX installed no prob, then when I started it up it said something like "no codec installed. Install from market?" clicked yes, market comes up with Codec for MX Player (armv6), install that then play movie on card. Great!
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I can now answer half of your question: You definitely have the ability to watch movies on the rhod running android.
I have just installed MX player from the market and am about 20 mins into a 700mb divx movie on GBX0C with kernel 3.4. So far it is playing very well (much better than I expected, especially with no OC!).
MX installed no prob, then when I started it up it said something like "no codec installed. Install from market?" clicked yes, market comes up with Codec for MX Player (armv6), install that then play movie on card. Great!
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i can tell you that OMGB rom does not have a tv-out or at least my phone dont recognize the tv-out cable and flat screen to "see" my phone either. i have one of those tv-out HTC Multimedia ACT100 TV Out Cable for HTC Fuze/Touch Pro cables. works in winmo not on android. but i havent tried any special apps either.
speaking on the quality of the output video in Winmo when put on a TV. It has a lot to do with the file your playing obviously. I carry the same sentiment previously mentioned the RCA out and the offline GPS (tomtom) are what keeps me attached to my Phone.
I use the TV out nearly every day I hook it up to the Gym TV to do insanity or P90X, and listen to the audio via BT headset (I already looks like a fool jumping around I don't need to cause more displeasure on people making them endure Tony Horton or Shawn T). The video shows up not perfect, but I have super compressed files, its good enough to tell what the exercise is and how much time is left)
This setup would be perfect If core player (.mp4 files) would accept AVRCP inputs on the rhodium but that is where my perfect setup falls short. I suppose rather then viewing new phones I could purchase a 32gb sd card and just get different file formats of the videos.
Thank you all for the input, ill live with what i have for now, great work to all the devs as far as they took this project.
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I actually have never tried to watch divx (or anything else for that matter) on android. Have you arrrghhh?[EDIT: or anyone else?] Any experience with watching local video files on the rhodium running any build? Do you need any app?
I am curious now?
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I have tried four free divx players on the Google Play Market on my Rhodium running GB0X. The best performance I found was with Seaman Player, I think that is what it was. MX was sketchy for me, and none of them play as sharply as watching the same files in CorePlayer in WinMo.
To keep from getting to far OT, I have the dongle and it works great in WinMo, but given the playback performance on the built-in screen my hopes are not high that we would have good results on TV-out.
Hello! I will be updating this thread on video playback capabilities of the Nexus 10, particularly on high-end resolution. The new software update is out and under testing at many sites, as well is it is shipping worldwide, so I'll try to share as many information about the multimedia capabilities of the Nexus 10 as possible, you can help out too. Discussion should cover
- full HD video playback performance, formats, framerates
- stock vs. 3rd party media player apps
- youtube and streaming at fullHD
- tweaks to optimize performance
Video performance test by italia0101
please visit his XDA thread for other excellent videos!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1994164
How to get DTS working with MX Player
Download this file and follow instructions here (thx olis4)
YouTube 2600k sample:
720p/1080p MKV samples:
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HI10P 720p sample file: http://hotfile.com/dl/148950242/e652ee9/
HI10P 1080p sample file: http://android.tnonline.net/Software/Video/Hi10P Software/hotd-op-1080p-hi10p.mkv
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Still on pre-release, but AndroidCentral points out that background tasks and fullHD video cause some lags, killing those tasks makes it smooth. For me to be able to play properly coded videos water tight on a $500 device is essential, if it fails to do so I have little reason to prefer this over the Nexus7. We shall see results soon.
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Still on pre-release, but AndroidCentral points out that background tasks and fullHD video cause some lags, killing those tasks makes it smooth. For me to be able to play properly coded videos water tight on a $500 device is essential, if it fails to do so I have little reason to prefer this over the Nexus7. We shall see results soon.
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Yeah this kinda does worry me, as a big part of why i'm looking at this is to play movies while a travel, he does say its only with HD rips of blue rays, but would be nice to see if it does it with HD movies downloaded via the playstore etc.
might have to wait to see what happens when people get it in their hands.
Of course there are some 2600k videos too to get the maximum out of the Nexus 10, mostly gaming. Anyone with hands on the device should check this out:
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Of course there are some 2600k videos too to get the maximum out of the Nexus 10, mostly gaming. Anyone with hands on the device should check this out:
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well hopefully this isn't going to be a result of google having to beat the retina, if thats the case then i'd much more want a screen of the 1920x1080 res that is really good, and that the processor isn't running at 100% trying to run.
I'll post some 2560x1440 (not upscaled) clips shortly for folks to check out their new toys, along with same clips in 1080p BD bitrates (35Mbps) for comparison testing.
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I'll post some 2560x1440 (not upscaled) clips shortly for folks to check out their new toys, along with same clips in 1080p BD bitrates (35Mbps) for comparison testing.
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The reviewer said he was trying it on ripped blue rays, does that mean it would be playing a video on 1920x1080 and stretching the image? standard blue ray def is 1920x1080 right?
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Still on pre-release, but AndroidCentral points out that background tasks and fullHD video cause some lags, killing those tasks makes it smooth. For me to be able to play properly coded videos water tight on a $500 device is essential, if it fails to do so I have little reason to prefer this over the Nexus7. We shall see results soon.
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He said he was downloading things in the back. I think a lot of devices lag when you're downloading things.
>The reviewer said he was trying it on ripped blue rays, does that mean it would be playing a video on 1920x1080 and stretching the image? standard blue ray def is 1920x1080 right?
Original BD is 1920x1080 with avg bitrates of 30-35Mbps. Rips can keep the 1080p res or be downscaled, but bitrates are inevitably lower (for smaller size) as they're intended to be downloaded.
Many devices now can handle 1080p of the "rip" (lowered bitrate) variety, but fewer can smoothly play "remuxed" (original BD bitrate) 1080p content. So to say that a device can playback 1080p is relatively meaningless unless the bitrate is specified. Anything from Youtube would not be a good test, since YT stuff are highly compressed (very low bitrate relative to resolution), and fidelity is substantially compromised.
My expectation is that N10 should handle "normal" 1080p rips (10Mbps), given it's the latest-gen SoC, and that video playback is a staple use. I'm more curious about performance with BD-bitrate content, and 1440p content, hence the pending clip uploads. Admittedly, these would be more for curiosity's sake than for practical use--there is no 1440p content, and BD ISOs won't fit through wifi pipes, HT40 or no.
Subscribing as videos are the #1 thing I use tablets for. There was one video posted in the general section last week that takes advantage of the N10's resolution. A quick browse back a few pages and you'll find it in one of the threads talking about the screen
Playing back laggy HD video is a major concern. Not that I would watch movies on it myself but the last thing Google and Samsung needs is more ammo against them. This being the only somewhat major issue though, unlike the fake issues like no SD, plastic construction, and tablet specific apps(the ipad ones really are not that much better than the iphone ones, except games with HD in the title).
That said, my core 2 duo chugs during some streams so i am guessing if it chugs on the PC, Nexus 7, ipad 4, tf700, it will chug on the Nexus 10 and everything else that isn't an i7.
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Playing back laggy HD video is a major concern. Not that I would watch movies on it myself but the last thing Google and Samsung needs is more ammo against them. This being the only somewhat major issue though, unlike the fake issues like no SD, plastic construction, and tablet specific apps(the ipad ones really are not that much better than the iphone ones, except games with HD in the title).
That said, my core 2 duo chugs during some streams so i am guessing if it chugs on the PC, Nexus 7, ipad 4, tf700, it will chug on the Nexus 10 and everything else that isn't an i7.
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What kind of streams are you running against your C2D? I find it hard to believe it's choking on even 1080p 24+ bit-rate streams. Are you on some ancient video card that doesn't have acceleration, thereby forcing your CPU to brute-force the decode?
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What kind of streams are you running against your C2D? I find it hard to believe it's choking on even 1080p 24+ bit-rate streams. Are you on some ancient video card that doesn't have acceleration, thereby forcing your CPU to brute-force the decode?
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My guess it has something to do with my home group connection or wifi connection in general. Playback through a USB drive or internal storage never chugs though. Although some files still have artifacting.
I would be interested in knowing if this can play 10bit MKV files.
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I would be interested in knowing if this can play 10bit MKV files.
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Good lord. So do I.
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Still on pre-release, but AndroidCentral points out that background tasks and fullHD video cause some lags, killing those tasks makes it smooth. For me to be able to play properly coded videos water tight on a $500 device is essential, if it fails to do so I have little reason to prefer this over the Nexus7. We shall see results soon.
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There are many tweaks that can be used to slim down a loaded system, but regarding games & videos, I would set the heapsize to 512m, to start. The next place I would look is swappiness. Usually when running one big app and not task switching, you'd want to increase this so that other processes are cached to virtual memory, freeing ram for your main process. With 2gb ram, though, the opposite might be better, as some apps will periodically wake to check for email, news, chats, etc. In this case I think it would be better to keep those processes in ram so that they don't cause a hit to disk to wake from virtual memory.
In other words, I would definitely try tweaking swappiness, but I don't know which way would be better. I'm going to sub this thread; please post whatever results you experience.
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I would be interested in knowing if this can play 10bit MKV files.
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I'd never heard of a 10bit MKV until you brought it up. So I downloaded a sample to see it.
For what it's worth, I just tried it on my Galaxy Note 2.
The gallery player didn't play it (audio only) but it worked OK with MX Player in software decoding mode.
Since this resolution is so high on this device, is the Nexus 10 the 1st. "ULTRA" high resolution mobile device/tablet? Doesn't ultra start around this resolution or so?
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I'd never heard of a 10bit MKV until you brought it up. So I downloaded a sample to see it.
For what it's worth, I just tried it on my Galaxy Note 2.
The gallery player didn't play it (audio only) but it worked OK with MX Player in software decoding mode.
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Bsplayer is slightly better. Mxplayer will lose audio. But it can get pretty bad even with my note 10.1. Audio n video gets way out of sync.
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Bsplayer is slightly better. Mxplayer will lose audio. But it can get pretty bad even with my note 10.1. Audio n video gets way out of sync.
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I've not had any issues previously using MXplayer. However since this video was animated and in Japanese, it might have been completely out of sync, I have no idea
I bought a Sony XTZ couple weeks ago. I love everything about this tablet, until I watched a movie on Netflix on it. It is borderline blurry compared to streaming the same title on Windows 8 or iPad. So I thought it's just a Netflix thing, until last night I played a movie from Google Play. It looked absolutely horrible, SD quality. It is not my internet connection speed as I get 100/30Mbps here.
I Googled this subject and found no information about this. Am I seeing things or is there something wrong with my Sony XTZ?
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I bought a Sony XTZ couple weeks ago. I love everything about this tablet, until I watched a movie on Netflix on it. It is borderline blurry compared to streaming the same title on Windows 8 or iPad. So I thought it's just a Netflix thing, until last night I played a movie from Google Play. It looked absolutely horrible, SD quality. It is not my internet connection speed as I get 100/30Mbps here.
I Googled this subject and found no information about this. Am I seeing things or is there something wrong with my Sony XTZ?
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So I did some more reading, apparently Sony didn't pay for licensing for HD playback on the XTZ :silly: I've read that even Sony's own video services do not offer HD playback on the XTZ. Wow, just wow. I really love this tablet but this is a deal breaker.
I have 4 more days to request a return on this. I was trying to get it to update to the latest 10.4.1.b.0.101 but it's not available yet. I will give it 3 more days to see if the update hits, and see if it enables HD playback. If not I have to return it which will be unfortunate and very disappointing.
Please tell me this is not true ..
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So I did some more reading, apparently Sony didn't pay for licensing for HD playback on the XTZ :silly: I've read that even Sony's own video services do not offer HD playback on the XTZ. Wow, just wow. I really love this tablet but this is a deal breaker.
I have 4 more days to request a return on this. I was trying to get it to update to the latest 10.4.1.b.0.101 but it's not available yet. I will give it 3 more days to see if the update hits, and see if it enables HD playback. If not I have to return it which will be unfortunate and very disappointing.
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Please tell me this is not true DAMMN im about to buy this tablet ..( not waiting for the z2 because the tablet is on 350$ deal so yeah..)
i love watching netflix and i when i see this .. well no, just no i have like 24 hours before the deals end .. someone tell me that i can watch hd content on it .. is it netflix only or all hd playback?
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Please tell me this is not true DAMMN im about to buy this tablet ..( not waiting for the z2 because the tablet is on 350$ deal so yeah..)
i love watching netflix and i when i see this .. well no, just no i have like 24 hours before the deals end .. someone tell me that i can watch hd content on it .. is it netflix only or all hd playback?
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Yes, all streaming HD services. Very disappointing as I loved everything about this tablet. I really wanted it to work, so much so that I called Xperia support even knowing it'd be a waste of time. First thing I was asked was if I can copy the movies to my XTZ to be played.
This appears to affect the entire range of Xperia devices including the flagship Z1 Ultra. I'll link two samples I found here, but I saw the same complaints on other Xperia devices. I've found no complaints about Netflix, but trust me, if you watch the same title on Netflix with any other devices, the quality difference will be clear - it's way sharper even on a 720p device than on the XTZ.
http://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperia-Tablet-Z/VOD-and-HD-Video-Playback/td-p/362656
http://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperi...vice-does-not-support-HD-playback/td-p/417467
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Yes, all streaming HD services. Very disappointing as I loved everything about this tablet. I really wanted it to work, so much so that I called Xperia support even knowing it'd be a waste of time. First thing I was asked was if I can copy the movies to my XTZ to be played.
This appears to affect the entire range of Xperia devices including the flagship Z1 Ultra. I'll link two samples I found here, but I saw the same complaints on other Xperia devices. I've found no complaints about Netflix, but trust me, if you watch the same title on Netflix with any other devices, the quality difference will be clear - it's way sharper even on a 720p device than on the XTZ.
http://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperia-Tablet-Z/VOD-and-HD-Video-Playback/td-p/362656
http://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperi...vice-does-not-support-HD-playback/td-p/417467
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Well sucks a lot I think I'll wait for the z2 or the next nexus 10
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Well sucks a lot I think I'll wait for the z2 or the next nexus 10
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I don't know if the XTZ 2 will not have that issue - this seems to be an issue with every Xperia devices even the Z1 Ultra which came out not that long ago..
So I returned the XTZ and bought an LG G Pad 8.3, and find that the LG also has poor Netflix streaming quality, but at least the LG can play HD contents from Google Play which the XTZ would only play SD quality.
Did some more reading on this matter. 1080p Netflix on Android requires Android 4.3 (which the XTZ does in fact have) that has additional DRM API built-in, but it seems the ONLY Android device that can do 1080p streaming is the Nexus 7 2013. One might say on a smallish tablet device 720p vs 1080p shouldn't matter. I probably would've thought so myself if I hadn't been spoiled by the biting sharpness from iPads and Windows 8 devices when watching Netflix. The difference is immediately noticeable.
I've attached some pictures to show the difference in case anyone is interested to see. The difference in person is greater than these pictures show.
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Did some more reading on this matter. 1080p Netflix on Android requires Android 4.3 (which the XTZ does in fact have) that has additional DRM API built-in, but it seems the ONLY Android device that can do 1080p streaming is the Nexus 7 2013. One might say on a smallish tablet device 720p vs 1080p shouldn't matter. I probably would've thought so myself if I hadn't been spoiled by the biting sharpness from iPads and Windows 8 devices when watching Netflix. The difference is immediately noticeable.
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I'm pretty sure all non-Nexus 7 2013 devices only get 480p, hence the low quality. Netflix help pages also say HD is only supported on "new Nexus 7".
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I'm pretty sure all non-Nexus 7 2013 devices only get 480p, hence the low quality. Netflix help pages also say HD is only supported on "new Nexus 7".
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What is the reasoning for this? That's ridiculous.
I kid you not, the regular iPad Mini with the 1024x768 screen and the Dell Windows 8.1 8" 1280x800 tablets look much sharper than the non-Nexus 7 full HD Android tablets I've tried so far. Yes I had a 2013 Nexus 7 previously and Netflix is very sharp on it. This inconsistent experience from Android is a big turn off, although I like the LG G Pad a lot and it is a keeper. I'll just use my other gadgets when I watch Netflix.
I don't think there would be much differences in your images above.
Since each tablet you used has different brightness and contrast, so the picture sharpness looks different.
I have attached my photos showing pictures from XTZ and iPad Air. The two are a little out of sync.
Look at detail of Liam's shirt. They are the same on both XTZ and Air.
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What is the reasoning for this? That's ridiculous.
I kid you not, the regular iPad Mini with the 1024x768 screen and the Dell Windows 8.1 8" 1280x800 tablets look much sharper than the non-Nexus 7 full HD Android tablets I've tried so far. Yes I had a 2013 Nexus 7 previously and Netflix is very sharp on it. This inconsistent experience from Android is a big turn off, although I like the LG G Pad a lot and it is a keeper. I'll just use my other gadgets when I watch Netflix.
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I believe it is because of DRM mess, i.e. the Widevine DRM interfaces are not implemented properly or something about it is different, etc.
I modified the Netflix APK to enable verbose logging and I looked through the code, and it seems to check specifically for Nexus 7 2013 on Android 4.3 only to enable Widevine DRM mode, otherwise the Widevine mode is disabled (which, I guess, disables HD playback completely). On Android 4.4 there is no separate check for device name, so maybe HD playback could work with Netflix for any 4.4 tablet that implements the Android Widevine DRM interface properly (or it could be it is limited in other places as well)...
And yes, the playback doesn't go above 480p according to the logs on my Tablet Z.
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I don't think there would be much differences in your images above.
Since each tablet you used has different brightness and contrast, so the picture sharpness looks different.
I have attached my photos showing pictures from XTZ and iPad Air. The two are a little out of sync.
Look at detail of Liam's shirt. They are the same on both XTZ and Air.
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You can't see any quality difference in the pictures because the photo resolution is way too low for that. 480p video has 480 pixels in the vertical direction, and your photos doesn't even have that amount of vertical pixels for each display.
To definitely see what resolution your Netflix is maxing out at, search for "example short" in Netflix and play the "Example Short 23.976" video (in U.S. Netflix). The video shows the current playback bitrate and size in the upper-left corner. For me it maxes out at "1750 kbps, 720x480", which is consistent with what I saw in the APK, and which is not HD.
Sorry to bump this old thread, but it seems Netflix has finally let it loose on full HD streaming to other Android devices, at least on both my LG (G Pad 8.3 and G2 phone). I think since two Netflix app updates ago. The difference is immediately noticeable - same biting sharpness I've been used to from iPads and Windows 8.1. I imagine this would be across the board on all Android devices.
I remembered this thread when I searched "LG G Pad Netflix stuttering", which very surprisingly was rectified by rebooting the G Pad.
Edit, seems Netflix has "fixed" it again with the new update. The super sharpness is once again gone. In trying to fix the stuttering issue, I updated the Netflix app to the current release. I'm not seeing things. I've gone nuts since the XTZ in trying to see what's going on with Netflix on Android. I settled on a scene on Skyfall. At 12:21 the conference call speaker (plus M's wrinkles on her face), you'll see the very fine details when on HD, which I saw on the G Pad on the last Netflix app update. It's gone now.
I give up.
Edit 2: I think Netflix is messing around with things on their backend. A couple days ago I started noticing titles actually say "HD" when browsing on the Android app. Now it's gone. I went as far as downloading the .apk for 3.3.3 and 3.4.0, nope HD is gone.
Now I give up.
very poor product, equally poor customer service
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I believe it is because of DRM mess, i.e. the Widevine DRM interfaces are not implemented properly or something about it is different, etc.
I modified the Netflix APK to enable verbose logging and I looked through the code, and it seems to check specifically for Nexus 7 2013 on Android 4.3 only to enable Widevine DRM mode, otherwise the Widevine mode is disabled (which, I guess, disables HD playback completely). On Android 4.4 there is no separate check for device name, so maybe HD playback could work with Netflix for any 4.4 tablet that implements the Android Widevine DRM interface properly (or it could be it is limited in other places as well)...
And yes, the playback doesn't go above 480p according to the logs on my Tablet Z.
You can't see any quality difference in the pictures because the photo resolution is way too low for that. 480p video has 480 pixels in the vertical direction, and your photos doesn't even have that amount of vertical pixels for each display.
To definitely see what resolution your Netflix is maxing out at, search for "example short" in Netflix and play the "Example Short 23.976" video (in U.S. Netflix). The video shows the current playback bitrate and size in the upper-left corner. For me it maxes out at "1750 kbps, 720x480", which is consistent with what I saw in the APK, and which is not HD.
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I bought this tablet thinking it would be amazing, dust proof, water resistant, slim slick design, SD card etc. It is very poor for the price I paid here in UK £380, live streaming rarely works, it goes off after about 30 seconds. Battery life poor, takes forever charging. Uploading videos is shocking, producing such poor quality videos even from the HD GoPro cameras, it's all blurry. I wish now I had stuck with my original plan of staying with Apple. Waste of money, customer service on Twitter absolutely useless, saying for me to do the same thing "system repair" black black black, why should we have to do this after paying nearly £400 for a tablet. I did do the system repair process and it made absolutely no difference whatsoever. Avoid Sony Xperia at all costs.
Back to Apple for me after my refund. Boom
Hi all
This Is a video of my day tour outside Cusco when I was in Peru
All the details are In the video description
Choose 1080p playback settings ?
https://youtu.be/4NP5cATf9BM
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Hi all
This Is a video of my day tour outside Cusco when I was in Peru
All the details are In the video description
Choose 1080p playback settings
https://youtu.be/4NP5cATf9BM
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Nice test but what software version are you on as in os? Pie,Oreo? custom rom os?
looks like some times it doesnt maintain 60fps. LG is really bad when it comes to operating system updates as performance has been crippled on pie so if your on pie it might be that otherwise its just how its uploaded or software you use.
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Nice test but what software version are you on as in os? Pie,Oreo? custom rom os?
looks like some times it doesnt maintain 60fps. LG is really bad when it comes to operating system updates as performance has been crippled on pie so if your on pie it might be that otherwise its just how its uploaded or software you use.
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Hi
Yes its on pie
But also its exported with kinemaster and the 60fps function for exporting with kinemaster is still experimental and undeveloped so that i think is the main issue, but also i was casually shooting at the time anyway not realising that the camera should be moved so much and so quickly!
Im going to post vids of my 5 day trek to machu picchu eventually and the video shooting did get better with each day
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Yes its on pie
But also its exported with kinemaster and the 60fps function for exporting with kinemaster is still experimental and undeveloped so that i think is the main issue, but also i was casually shooting at the time anyway not realising that the camera should be moved so much and so quickly!
Im going to post vids of my 5 day trek to machu picchu eventually and the video shooting did get better with each day
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I never like to use video editors as they either ruin the quality, make the file size bigger or smaller, or just encode it not properly.
The only problem I've encountered so far is the 60fps as you mentioned
Everything else was spot-on couldn't tell the difference really, if anything better in some ways because I was able to tweak the contrast and colour, which made it just a bit better
In kinemaster I can manually choose the bitrate so I just select the same as the original source, which in this video was 24mbps so I don't have any issues with file sizes, and as for data and storage it's not an issue for me personally