i love the phone itself but sort of regret getting it. I guess its my own fault for not looking up more into htc phones but coming from a GN where all you need is unlock and root when i saw we had that i got it, didnt realize with htc you need soff too. Then i foudn out no htc phones with no sdcard have soff yet. Im not a fan of sense and prefer the stock android experience or aokp only. anyone else feel like this? i love the phone, but dont like the soff situation with htc, and cant think of a better phone to switch to either cus i dont want the s3. and unfortunately nexus 4 isnt for verizon
I can relate to what you are saying.
For me, I set my expectation of this phone to be a great consumer phone, not a developer phone. So I decided not to root it or installing custom rom on it. Just use Android as a daily phone this time.
I have spent way too much time and energy on GNex switching between rom , which is something I really regret after a while. Not just full wipe everytime, but there is simply no single best rom can meet all asks. many of them are great initially, then slowly become slow and buggy, which I really can't figure out why, including CM10.
So that's why I look beyond such issues for HTC DNA, but evaluate it from a consumer point of view, "apple-type" user, if you will.
And I keep my galaxy nexus to play with, "in my lab".
If your expectation was to make this to be a full developer unit... it may not be the right phone, and verizon is not the right carrier in this case.
Many says playing around with all roms are "fun", but after long time of "playing around the roms" with more than 5 state-of-the-art smart phones in past 2 years, I will control myself on such "fun".
just some thoughts.
I feel the same
I feel the exact same way. No doubt about it though, the phone is great and the screen is amazing! I am just not a fan on Sense. I love me some AOSP. The phone also feels a little too big for my likes.
I am contemplating returning the DNA and getting the Developer Edition of the Razr HD. But if I did that, I might end up in the same boat as I do NOT have the skills needed to complile AOSP from source and get it running on the Razr HD.
Matt
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I agree. I knre it wuldnt be much of a developer device. My main hope was jus for it to get aokp fully working. But not as much dev as the nexus with all their highly featured kernels, tbh i wish my nexus didnt break cus id still be on it. Im not a fan of "consumer" devices just because i like full access to my electronics. But its my own fwult for not researchin roms with htc lol. I dnt switch off verizon til december
Pudge
Can that be swapped out with the 14day return period?
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Dri94 said:
Jiwengabg
I agree. I knre it wuldnt be much of a developer device. My main hope was jus for it to get aokp fully working. But not as much dev as the nexus with all their highly featured kernels, tbh i wish my nexus didnt break cus id still be on it. Im not a fan of "consumer" devices just because i like full access to my electronics. But its my own fwult for not researchin roms with htc lol. I dnt switch off verizon til december
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So return it...done...no regrets. The phone has been out 6 days...u guys have to be kidding me...there will be plenty of ROMs to choose from in no time.
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So return it...done...no regrets. The phone has been out 6 days...u guys have to be kidding me...there will be plenty of ROMs to choose from in no time.
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Side effect of these guys being from the "Now" generation.
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Side effect of these guys being from the "Now" generation.
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No kidding. But also - just because we don't currently have S-Off, and correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no reason we won't have custom ROMs to play with. We can still write to the System partition in Recovery, which means you can flash a custom ROM in recovery.
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Not that I know of. If I decided to swap phones, I would have to return DNA to Verizon and then buy the Razr HD from Moto. Should not be difficult though.
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No kidding. But also - just because we don't currently have S-Off, and correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no reason we won't have custom ROMs to play with. We can still write to the System partition in Recovery, which means you can flash a custom ROM in recovery.
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You are correct. ROMs and kernels will still able to be flashed with the phone being unlocked and s-on. Just can not make changes to /system while outside of recovery.
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No regrets.
For those of you that don't like sense, install Nova launcher... problem solved.
No regrets. We'll get ROMs soon enough, the phone has only been out a week. Massively impressed with the battery life and screen, and my only gripe is sense.
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Not that I know of. If I decided to swap phones, I would have to return DNA to Verizon and then buy the Razr HD from Moto. Should not be difficult though.
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You are correct. ROMs and kernels will still able to be flashed with the phone being unlocked and s-on. Just can not make changes to /system while outside of recovery.
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On the ROM flashing front - I'm trying to think of a scenario where you would make changes to /system while outside of recovery. Every time I flashed a ROM on my GNex I would reboot into CWM anyway - I'm assuming the only things that actually made changes to /system while not in recovery would be things like kernel controls?
It kills me that people buy an HTC phone and complain about Sense. It isn't like they "snuck" Sense on this phone behind your back.
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No regrets.
For those of you that don't like sense, install Nova launcher... problem solved.
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lol
This was the choice for most people that were tired of their GNex's, since Verizon won't work with the N4. Most of those people are used to stock AOSP, so its understandable. I came from the Inc, to Inc2, to GNex, and it was still a bit of a shock for me to go back to Sense.
I think most people also assumed that the development on this phone would be similar to what it was like on the GNex, which is not the case. Hopefully we get some stock android stuff going pretty soon so we can all rest easy
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It kills me that people buy an HTC phone and complain about Sense. It isn't like they "snuck" Sense on this phone behind your back.
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No kidding! Although I have to say that while I always liked Sense (way back from the Windows Mobile days), I stopped using it once phone screen sizes got bigger because Sense just made everything too big... and with some DPI tweaks I have actually found Sense to be quite usable on the DNA... I'm still trying to settle on my favorite launcher for this phone, but at least this time around Sense is in the running.
If I could get a zip that modifies it to a 5/4 or 5/5 layout it probably wouldn't even be a competition. For the record, other contenders are Chameleon Launcher, Apex, and SPB Shell 3D (in either Smartphone or Tablet mode)... Still can't make a decision. :silly:
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It kills me that people buy an HTC phone and complain about Sense. It isn't like they "snuck" Sense on this phone behind your back.
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i love this too. I got this phone because of sense and the screen! you all know it has sense I just love to hear people complain and it somehow puts up better numbers than the nexus 4 with aosp right out of the box. This phone hasnt even got roms yet just got unlocked! wait until s-off and then people will have their flavor of aosp or sense! And also remember how long it took for galaxy s3 to get unlocked? it could take awhile so we will see how many true HTC followers there is here or just people jumping ship for the next great quad core 1080p phone. should be interesting. The positives outweigh the negatives for me! Whenever i use phone i dont regret it for a second! Sense is one of the most extensive and nicest setups in android by far to me!
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No kidding! Although I have to say that while I always liked Sense (way back from the Windows Mobile days), I stopped using it once phone screen sizes got bigger because Sense just made everything too big... and with some DPI tweaks I have actually found Sense to be quite usable on the DNA... I'm still trying to settle on my favorite launcher for this phone, but at least this time around Sense is in the running.
If I could get a zip that modifies it to a 5/4 or 5/5 layout it probably wouldn't even be a competition. For the record, other contenders are Chameleon Launcher, Apex, and SPB Shell 3D (in either Smartphone or Tablet mode)... Still can't make a decision. :silly:
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What did you end up setting the lcd density to?
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What did you end up setting the lcd density to?
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Well, I like a lot of screen real estate, and sharp, small-ish text (I bought a 13" Macbook Pro just for that 2560x1600 resolution - and I'm using Windows 7 on it), but I have my DPI set to 370. Android Pro Widgets replace any of the Sense widgets where possible (SMS, Agenda) because they can render a smaller font, but I still use the native 4x1 Clock/Weather widget, and of course the Mail widget - and I have all my quick launch items set to use folders - System, Social, Travel, and Multimedia.
s-off is coming
s-off is coming dsb said that is was close. I was a strong "htc" until the galaxy s3 came out back in July. After being frustrated with Samsungs weak radios i came back home to HTC. I was on the fence between this and the note 2 but after playing with the phone on launch day I bought it. And now the note 2 comes out in 2 days and i could care less.
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This was the choice for most people that were tired of their GNex's, since Verizon won't work with the N4. Most of those people are used to stock AOSP, so its understandable. I came from the Inc, to Inc2, to GNex, and it was still a bit of a shock for me to go back to Sense.
I think most people also assumed that the development on this phone would be similar to what it was like on the GNex, which is not the case. Hopefully we get some stock android stuff going pretty soon so we can all rest easy
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I went from Sense to AOSP, back to Sense. Its definitely some culture shock, but I wouldn't have done it if I disliked Sense.
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s-off is coming dsb said that is was close. I was a strong "htc" until the galaxy s3 came out back in July. After being frustrated with Samsungs weak radios i came back home to HTC. I was on the fence between this and the note 2 but after playing with the phone on launch day I bought it. And now the note 2 comes out in 2 days and i could care less.
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I wouldn't expect s-off anytime soon, regardless of what dsb says.
Now if jcase says it, I will believe it (assuming he isn't doing his regular rickrolls).
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Another sense filled Google update?
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They can't really remove it since it was sold with it
They have already discussed Sense 4.0 for future devices. This device will likely get ICS with Sense 4.0 near the beginning of the year.
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So I will just have to look for senseless Rom then
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If you don't like sense get the nexus
I'm thinking about it,but I'm loving the beats audio headphones
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By the time ICS hits there will be several ROMs, and those ROMs will obviously translate to ICS eventually.
I would like to see sense and ICS but I think I'm going to return the Rezound and get the Nexus.
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I would like to see sense and ICS but I think I'm going to return the Rezound and get the Nexus.
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how come.
im always interested in the reasons why people like or dislike these devices.
I got this beucase I just came from a samsung (droid charge) phone, and before that I had an HTC phone (dinc).
my friend has a samusng captivate
and another friend has the samsung infuse
we all agree that samsung phones are horrible with build quality and GPS issues.
I never had the problems with my dinc that i had with the droid charge. The UI is horrible, so you have to get ASOP or just fail with Touchwiz.
Sense is pretty much awesome compared to the other manufactures overlays. Is it better than stock, thats up to the person, but at least with the rezound we can have the option for both.
With the nexus, you get a crappy GPS (proven and documented issues) , and the no choice between stock or sense.
If you hate sense, then i can see why sticking with this phone sucks.
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Couldnt agree more. Granted that Verizon locks out HTC HUB, so Skinds are out of the question, but i think Sense dominates most Manufacture UI's that are out today. And I happen to frikken hate the STOCK UI....LOL....but i love MIUI tho. Im interested in seeing ICS in person tho. Not many changes in the UI with ICS, but its looks awesome tho. Im on the fence about this one, and I jsyt came from Sprint on Monday. Guess im an HTC person. Speaking of Skinds, has anyone been able to get any installed? Ive tryied and installed quite a few already (knowing they prolly wouldnt work anyway) and they installed just fine but when i head into the "Applications" section there not listed for me to uninstall them. Pretty wierd. Feedback on this would be great. Sorry to go [OFF-TOPIC]
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Couldnt agree more. Granted that Verizon locks out HTC HUB, so Skinds are out of the question, but i think Sense dominates most Manufacture UI's that are out today. And I happen to frikken hate the STOCK UI....LOL....but i love MIUI tho. Im interested in seeing ICS in person tho. Not many changes in the UI with ICS, but its looks awesome tho. Im on the fence about this one, and I jsyt came from Sprint on Monday. Guess im an HTC person. Speaking of Skinds, has anyone been able to get any installed? Ive tryied and installed quite a few already (knowing they prolly wouldnt work anyway) and they installed just fine but when i head into the "Applications" section there not listed for me to uninstall them. Pretty wierd. Feedback on this would be great. Sorry to go [OFF-TOPIC]
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Yeah. Hub and HTCSense.com will be available when we get root. Skins also will come.
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Yeah. Hub and HTCSense.com will be available when we get root. Skins also will come.
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Ohh really? I know we talked about this the other day, but i didnt realize u can add that with root. I mean, cause Sprint never locked it out, So ive never had this problem. THats awesome...good to hear, thanks bro!!
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Ohh really? I know we talked about this the other day, but i didnt realize u can add that with root. I mean, cause Sprint never locked it out, So ive never had this problem. THats awesome...good to hear, thanks bro!!
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Not a problem. I'm not sure what apk Hub is, in fact, it might be laced into another apk. HTC Sense.com is however an apk.
can't you just install sense 3.5 skin APKs via astro or something? I know hub won't work but we can get the skin APKs and install them I think
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can't you just install sense 3.5 skin APKs via astro or something? I know hub won't work but we can get the skin APKs and install them I think
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Nah I've tried a ton of 3.5 AMD 3.0 for the hell of it, and they install just fine but they don't show up in the skins section. Even of I head Into the "applications" to uninstall it, there no where to be found. Pretty wired. Never seen an apk install successfully and not be able to uni.stall it.
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That sucks. Are there any skins from the factory? Like even a blue one atleast?
msticlaru said:
how come.
im always interested in the reasons why people like or dislike these devices.
I got this beucase I just came from a samsung (droid charge) phone, and before that I had an HTC phone (dinc).
my friend has a samusng captivate
and another friend has the samsung infuse
we all agree that samsung phones are horrible with build quality and GPS issues.
I never had the problems with my dinc that i had with the droid charge. The UI is horrible, so you have to get ASOP or just fail with Touchwiz.
Sense is pretty much awesome compared to the other manufactures overlays. Is it better than stock, thats up to the person, but at least with the rezound we can have the option for both.
With the nexus, you get a crappy GPS (proven and documented issues) , and the no choice between stock or sense.
If you hate sense, then i can see why sticking with this phone sucks.
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It's not that I hate the device, it's just that it reminds me too much of my Incredible and I want something different. I love the look that Sense brings to the phone (but I hate the launcher) and I love the option of going stock or having a sense rom, that was a major reason why I wanted this phone in the first place along with being able to add in a MicroSD card. One of the main things that's annoying me now is that the phone seems to lag when I' m using ADW EX or swiftkey X. It feels like I'm back on my Incredible! I read around that a factory reset helped some people so I just did one and hopefully it will improve the responsiveness of the device.
It's just that I feel like I'm missing out by not getting the Nexus. Root isn't guaranteed with the Rezound like it is with the Nexus, since I bricked my Incredible 5 days after I got it the lack of SBF/NVflash-type tools kind of scares me now because there's no safety net in case your device randomly decides it wants to turn security back on. Also there's always tons of modifications done with Nexus devices because they're developer phones. With my OG Droid I was messing around with roms and kernels every few days checking out what I liked the best about them. Once I switched to the Incredible in March, I liked the change but quickly grew sort of disinterested in flashing roms and kernels about 2 months after I had it because every rom was essentially the same in the end. That may be the case with the Nexus since but only time will tell.
I think root and S-Off are going to make this device amazing. We'll get stock ICS ROMs, Sense ICS ROMs. ROMs to fix the little issues. Everything gets better with custom ROMs. I didn't buy this device for the stock experience. I got it because I love the development the community does on Sense devices.
Rabble rabble rabble.
I think the only people who don't buy their device to customize are the ones who got it from work for free, and those who have no idea what some phones are capable of(Grandma and Grandpa who were tricked by carrier to extend their contract), lol.
I agree that root and S-off will definitely make this device better, Sense and ICS was also another big factor for me.
Im coming from the HTC evo from sprint. Im on my way over to Verizon. Im interested in both the Rezound and the nexus...
Is there a reason to choose the REzound over the nexus? It doesnt seem like the Rezound has full root/s-off etc etc right? Is it a matter of time, or do they have this thing locked down?
Rezound have radio lock thats all
Rezound is faster and has alotttt stronger signal. Basically, HTC owns samsung
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I was all about the nexus but after being burned so often by buying and trying to justify my purchase waited and was about to buy a rezound till I got it as a replacement and its awesome. I love this phone so far. Great camera, It's really quick, screen is amazing and its the perfect size
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I came from the EVO as well. It was this or nexus, I chose this for the better camera and beats, which I can't go without now. Plus the free headphones. Only selling point of the nexus is ics but a senseless Rom gives a close experience which should get better in time. Plus sense 3.6 is cool and miui is in progress as well as sense 4.0
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Came from Evo 4G on Sprint as well. Went through 2 Nexus's before giving up and getting the Rezound. Signal and call quality on the Nexus was horrendous. I would hear about every third word the caller was saying which made for some pretty interesting conversations.
The ONLY advantage to the Nexus is the ease of "tweaking" it but I un-locked, flashed a recovery, and flashed a rooted ICS Rom on my Rezound in about 10 minutes.
Get the Rezound ... NO BRAINER
IMHO
Edit: BTW ... The return rate of the Nexus is upwards of 20% according to my Verizon Rep. She told me she wished they would pull it off the market.
I came on over from the Evo 3d and I love the Rezound and coverage so much I've yet to root it. This phone has almost cured my flashism. Though I'm on vacation this week, I might get in on the rooting and madness on this side of town soon.
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Thanks guys.. Im hesistant with the Nexus because IVe heard about samsung not rolling out updates etc etc as fast as they should.
Rezound vs GNex
I poured over this decision back in December. I opted for the rezound because it has an sd card slot and the GNex doesn't. The camera and processor are also superior. I have mine OC's to 1.8 GHz. It is saddled with s-on though. HTC allows users to unlock the bootloader but we cannot flash radios and kernels directly via recovery. It must be done in the bootloader or via fastboot. Not the end of the world but not as easy as an s-off device. This nut seems to be a tough one to crack too. A few devs have been at it since December but no joy
Once we get cm9 the nexus will be a thing of the past.
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Once we get cm9 the nexus will be a thing of the past.
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What do you mean by that?
editeD: lolwut I got it now haha fail.
Look, I'm not expert by any means, but I feel I need to chime in. I have owned both phones. The Nexus was probably the sweetest phone I thought I ever had.. Everything seemed to work flawlessly. After a few days I constantly had problems with the Battery, Signal strength and SOUND. Let me explain. ICS was awesome IMO. It worked great and was a really nice change. But that was the only thing that was nice on it. The roms that are coming out now for the Rezound by far make this the best phone I've ever owned. Speed, picture, ICS and I personally like Sense. SO for me to give anyone advice it would easily be GO REZOUND!!
BTW.. Ask this question in the Nexus forum, and I guarantee you'll get a different response. So basically, you need to go in the store, and give yourself 20 minutes to mess around with both phones. Just keep in mind that Samsung has a reputation as having terrible radios. Be sure to listen to the sound on both. And take a look at the resolution and clarity.. A few youtube videos should do it for ya! ALSO, the fact that you get a nice set of ear phones.
I just got the rezound last week and love it. I'm coming from a sensation 4g this is a lot better phone than that is. Plus now we have an ics leak that your phone doesn't have to be rooted is sweet. And when the official ota drops you can still update
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Don't think. Just buy a rezound.
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I faced the same decision, and I went for the Rezound. The camera, reception, and overall build quality of this phone is better than that of the Nexus. I really don't like Sense, and that almost made me go for the Nexus, but software is upgradable and hardware isn't. I'm currently running a senseless ROM (XTreme's), which isn't AOSP, but it's close. It seems like there is being progress with ROMs completely lacking sense (MIUI is being worked on and apparently has RIL in-tact), and once CM9 gets its RIL issues fixed, my phone will feel complete. Even without that, I am very happy with this phone. The screen is amazing, even when compared to a Samsung device (Nexus). The battery life isn't great, but it is an LTE device... I never get signal drops, and I'm always on 4G.
okay well with that being said, what do you guys loose not having s-off?
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okay well with that being said, what do you guys loose not having s-off?
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Not much. It makes it more difficult to flash kernels, but it is still relatively easy using adb or just your phone. You can't flash radios (well at least without being relocked), which I think is the major downside of s-off. Also, unlocking through the HTCDev method won't let you go back to complete factory stock (without the bootloader saying relocked), so if Verizon happened to check, they can see that you MAY have voided PARTS of your warranty (not a big deal).
hmm Seems like its too much bull**** to deal with...
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hmm Seems like its too much bull**** to deal with...
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It's really not that bad. Choose the phone you want to go with, but don't let that sway you too much. We may not have as many developers and ROMs as the Nexus, but we have some really great devs. And flashing ROMs and kernels really doesn't take noticeably longer without s-off, and becomes second nature
If you want stock ICS go Nexus.
If you want better screen, eventual Sense ICS (AOSP probably won't be possible until we can get s-off I think), and removable SD card go Rezound.
I've been a stock Android fan since the original Droid, but I've really grown to like Sense and Sense 4.0 looks even better. I do want an eventual AOSP.
I have gone through 9 replacements trying to get the right phone over the last couple of months and am getting tired of it, what's everyone's opinion about switching to the nexus? I have to admit CM9* and MIUI are a big plus.
i just got a nexus and i love it, battery life seems alot better too. i will say the design of the rezound is better though.
I traded my nexus for my rezound a while ago and never looked back.
love this phone.
the nex is nice, but sense is what I like, I also found the overall build to be better on the rezound, (usually is with HTC..)
I came from a nexus for 2 reasons... 1) The radios are terrible on the Nexus. In my house, my wife has a Thunderbolt and I had the Nexus. Side by side, she would have 3 or 4 bars of 4G, me on the Nexus, like 2 bars of 3G or 1x. also the build quality is much superior to the Nexus. 2, I Luke the challenge of rooting lol. I had a Rezound before but I never rooted it. Traded for the GNex when it came out. I feel its an overall better experience with my rezound. If Ur looking to easily root and have a plethora of dev support, get the Nexus. If u like better radios and built quality, stick with the Rezound.
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I traded my GNex for a Rezound and the only thing I missed was ICS. This was my first Sense phone and I wasn't sure if I was going to like it. Turns out I really like it. Weird that you've had 9 lemons.. Mine has been flawless
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I have gone through 9 replacements trying to get the right phone over the last couple of months and am getting tired of it, what's everyone's opinion about switching to the nexus? I have to admit CM7 and MIUI are a big plus.
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*CM9. thats ics. cm7 is GB
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*CM9. thats ics. cm7 is GB
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Thanks lol just caught that myself, it's a habit xD used to have CM7 on my fascinate long long ago
If Ur looking to easily root and have a plethora of dev support, get the Nexus. If u like better radios and built quality, stick with the Rezound.
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I partially agree although I haven't had the best experience with the build quality on the rezound....
Traded my nexus for a rezound also. Gnex battery life sucks, camera sucks, and the phone is to big to hold in hand.
andybones said:
I traded my nexus for my rezound a while ago and never looked back.
love this phone.
the nex is nice, but sense is what I like, I also found the overall build to be better on the rezound, (usually is with HTC..)
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this(except for the liking sense part ).
i traded my gnex for a dev rezound(and then an s-off method popped up )
ive actually got 2 of them.since i could s-off my first one, i keep the dev phone put up for emergencies.
ive found the rezound to be of the same quality as all other htc phones ive had. i drive for a living,and my phone rides around all day with me,sometimes getting to 120+ degrees if i leave it on the seat in the sun. ive flashed it,s offed it twice, flashed the crap out of it some more,dropped it,and in general abused the crap out of it.
i loved stock ICS and wanted to love the gnex since it it googles proprietary phone,but to me it felt cheap and plasticy.
after 9 phones,i think you are overly critical and should move on to another device that may make you happier.
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after 9 phones,i think you are overly critical and should move on to another device that may make you happier.
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I was thinking the same thing.
We have probably 10 rezounds on our corporate account & only one has had to be replaced.
I can't even imagine how you could legitimatelly have 9 defective devices in a row..........
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I was thinking the same thing.
We have probably 10 rezounds on our corporate account & only one has had to be replaced.
I can't even imagine how you could legitimatelly have 9 defective devices in a row..........
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+ 1 he probably had pink buttons
Sent from my Dinc... I mean Rezound
jmorton10 said:
I was thinking the same thing.
We have probably 10 rezounds on our corporate account & only one has had to be replaced.
I can't even imagine how you could legitimatelly have 9 defective devices in a row..........
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It has happened to me with Motorola phones. I am pretty sure it has something to do with the refurbishment process.
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+ 1 he probably had pink buttons
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I have NEVER sent a phone back due to pink buttons, no matter how much I dislike them. The first four were when I first got the phone, since I came from a droid charge and was comped this I got a refurb. First one had dead pixels, second one had the hissing audio jack, third one had a giant scratch on the screen, fourth one had a blown speaker, the fifth one was just right. Fast forward five months my "just right" phone would go through an extended and a stock battery in 12 hours, completely stock, never unlocked. I was annoyed and got a replacement. The first replacement was fine for a week and then went nuclear on my battery (literally got so hot that the stock battery bloated (yes I know that means the battery also went bad) It almost did the same thing to my extended as well. Fast-forward to yet another phone and this time battery as well, everything seems fine except for the giant scratch on the screen, I swear ti was in the same spot as the one from five months before. Then the next phone, got it, s-off'd it, working perfectly for two days except for pink buttons but **** it, and then I realized I've never made a call with it. Called my father and sure enough the damn speaker is broken, yes I tried on different ROMS and completely stock just to make sure, I know what a blown speaker sounds like. Now I'm on the ninth phone which seems okay for now but I'm still endlessly frustrated with the damn things. Plus I love MIUI. I just wish the build quality was better on the gnexus and I hate samsung's placement of ****ing buttons. It's like they expect you to have the hands of a 4 year old and be able to hit the awkward side button while it's in your hand.
I think everyone who leaves this phone just to get AOSP is crazy... Eventually it will come. In the meantime, there are lots of great roms to try out in the meantime. If you have other problems, I completely understand. But cmon.... Just for a rom?
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I think everyone who leaves this phone just to get AOSP is crazy... Eventually it will come. In the meantime, there are lots of great roms to try out in the meantime. If you have other problems, I completely understand. But cmon.... Just for a rom?
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I agree with you on this man ... People can be crazy sometimes
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I think everyone who leaves this phone just to get AOSP is crazy... Eventually it will come. In the meantime, there are lots of great roms to try out in the meantime. If you have other problems, I completely understand. But cmon.... Just for a rom?
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I mean it's all about opinion. I could see me leaving a Samsung phone if I wanted sense more or aosp if it wasn't available.
But it sounds like you should give the Gnex a go OP. What's the worst that could happen? You just come back.
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I mean it's all about opinion. I could see me leaving a Samsung phone if I wanted sense more or aosp if it wasn't available.
But it sounds like you should give the Gnex a go OP. What's the worst that could happen? You just come back.
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Yeah that was my thought, they would probably let me come back if I hate it.
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I think everyone who leaves this phone just to get AOSP is crazy... Eventually it will come. In the meantime, there are lots of great roms to try out in the meantime. If you have other problems, I completely understand. But cmon.... Just for a rom?
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i agree completely. im not a sense fan either,but IMO this is still good harware and worth the wait. like you said,lots of great roms in the mean time. scotts dev edition is an awome "best of both worlds" rom with the ICS theme,no sense launcher or widgets,yet the "prettiness" of the stock menu and pulldown. im enjoying it alot.
it helps that i can run a pretty functional cm9 on my sensation while i wait
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I just wish the build quality was better on the gnexus and I hate samsung's placement of ****ing buttons. It's like they expect you to have the hands of a 4 year old and be able to hit the awkward side button while it's in your hand.
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ha! well said. i couldnt get used to the button configuration for nothin. like i said,i wanted to love the gnex,it just wasnt happenin for me. i also dont like samsungs bootloader interface,it just wasnt as fun to mess with,for some reason.
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i agree completely. im not a sense fan either,but IMO this is still good harware and worth the wait. like you said,lots of great roms in the mean time. scotts dev edition is an awome "best of both worlds" rom with the ICS theme,no sense launcher or widgets,yet the "prettiness" of the stock menu and pulldown. im enjoying it alot.
it helps that i can run a pretty functional cm9 on my sensation while i wait
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ha! well said. i couldnt get used to the button configuration for nothin. like i said,i wanted to love the gnex,it just wasnt happenin for me. i also dont like samsungs bootloader interface,it just wasnt as fun to mess with,for some reason.
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Completely agree, their bootloader is WAY less fun. At least, if it's anything like the fascinate and the charge it consists of a down arrow with a yellow android that looks pretty while you use odin to flash everything since their bootloader is half-assed.
I also would like to say that I do love our devs, and this is not meant and is not me being frustrated with them, simply my luck with regards to getting a functioning device which has lead to a lot of frustration. Regardless of if I switch I still have another rezound that I have access to and can use whenever so I will still be active in this community... I am simply asking the opinions of people who have or have had both devices (IE Scotty). Hell I would take a shot at deving if I had the time, I have experience with linux and coding in Java and Lua. Anyway I do understand the frustration when people post things like the "HAHA I SOLD MY REZOUND *****ES" thread (my translation of the title) where they seem to be bragging/flaming rather than actually trying to consult the community.
I would like to say I don't particularly appreciate the assumptions that my devices could not have possibly needed to be replaced that many times legitimately. I just have had terrible luck with the replacements themselves, almost all have arrived defective if you read my explanation above. I have never bricked a phone and I'm not particularly fond of some of the stories where people go "ops I bricked it, lawls, hey Verizon my phone is dead send me a new one because I ****ed the damn thing up and enjoy committing fraud."
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Completely agree, their bootloader is WAY less fun. At least, if it's anything like the fascinate and the charge it consists of a down arrow with a yellow android that looks pretty while you use odin to flash everything since their bootloader is half-assed.
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its a little better than that. you can use fastboot to do a few things,but it was still pretty devoid of any user interface,unlike hboot. radios were flashed in recovery. you unlock it pretty much just like the rezound,with exception that you dont need a token just fastboot oem unlock anhd voila you have access to everything.
I love the hardware of this phone, but really hate touchwiz and miss the ics from my nexus. How long before a working Rom, preferably milestone, is out
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I love the hardware of this phone, but really hate touchwiz and miss the ics from my nexus. How long before a working Rom, preferably milestone, is out
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Aren't there already CM9 Nightlies going out? Has anyone tried an international ROM on a Tmobile SGS3?
We dont have root access yet...as far as i know.
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International ROM don't work on this device! Don't even try! nor the same root or CWM!
There all different.
*sigh*
i was one of those trigger happy people who tried to root and didnt realize i was using the i9300....
basically i have to wait till there is a ROM available for the SGH-T999 to FIX my mistake?
used odin3 v1.85
used CF-Root-SGS3-v6.3.tar
ALSO (super fail) had the option for partition checked
soooooo the phone only boots up to the screen that was black...
i left my phone off and turned off everything .... i just turned on the phone and it booted back up normally i dunno how this happened or if anyone else is in the same boat... i def screwed up this phone and it somehow recovered itself... or im just an UBER NOOB about this =(
hope u guys are enjoying the phone! =)
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*sigh*
i was one of those trigger happy people who tried to root and didnt realize i was using the i9300....
basically i have to wait till there is a ROM available for the SGH-T999 to FIX my mistake?
used odin3 v1.85
used CF-Root-SGS3-v6.3.tar
ALSO (super fail) had the option for partition checked
soooooo the phone only boots up to the screen that was black...
i left my phone off and turned off everything .... i just turned on the phone and it booted back up normally i dunno how this happened or if anyone else is in the same boat... i def screwed up this phone and it somehow recovered itself... or im just an UBER NOOB about this =(
hope u guys are enjoying the phone! =)
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WOW, you go lucky! Good deal for you!
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wasya152 said:
I love the hardware of this phone, but really hate touchwiz and miss the ics from my nexus. How long before a working Rom, preferably milestone, is out
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Try Apex Launcher in the meantime...it is awesome!
Ditto. ICS, without any other added skins, is the best way to go. I bet somewhere like 5% of android users have gotten a chance to evaluate a plain ICS version. If they did, they would realize that it is every bit as good as any iOS product. It's really too bad. If I am Google, priorties #1,2, and 3 would be to make sure that everyone gets a plain ICS version, somehow, some way. Not continuing forward with jelly bean and key lime pie. ICS is already far enough ahead of iOS feature-wise. It's feature-complete. They need to take a play out of Apple's playbook and perfect--no, I mean absolutely perfect--the software that they have now. Nobody seems to get that this is how Apple operates. They have far, far less features, but the ones they do have, work very well. They're apparently willing to do the dirty work and squash little bugs and bug crashes. They are not smarter than everyone else; but they apparently have a company culture that values the details. This is all that they do, but it works.
A lot of people seem to dislike TouchWiz, what did they take out of stock ICS, or change for the worse? I'm trying to figure out if it would make sense to flash an ICS rom if/when it becomes available.
As someone mentioned try apex. Or trebuchet. There are quite a few launchers that appear as if they are stock android, then that just leaves individual apps and settings menus skinned with touchwiz.
It's been out a day and you're asking when there'll be ROMs for this phone? Really? I'd suggest you check back in a month and things will have started by then.
~SB
I really enjoyed using ICS on my HTC Desire before switching to S3, and I don't really dislike using TouchWiz. I don't really see what the big deal is with TouchWiz, it seems pretty cool to me
Never ask for ETA's! Lol
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I just grabbed this phone from Verizon, since the dev community is small compared to my other 2 options (Razr HD Maxx and Galaxy S3), however, with this new pesky 2.04 OTA that came pre-installed on my DNA, it seems like the community is currently at a halt.
I have approx 10 more days to return my DNA and get a second choice (Razr or Galaxy), but the hardware is really holding me to the DNA. I don't care much for Sense, and I've always been a motorola fan, however I also love to dev and mess with my phones. So, how likely is this 2.04 unlock? Or should I just go ahead and switch phones? Both the S3 and Razr have great dev communities. S3 has 2gb ram while the Razr has 1gb ram BUT has that amazing battery.
What should I do? I'm so indecisive right now and it's killing me!
I wouldn't buy a phone based on what might happen in the future. If nothing else, you could always sell it and buy one unlocked and s off.
The S3 is decent although old and I suspect dev support is on the downhill slope. I'm personally not a fan of the Razr. If it was my choice to make I'd keep the DNA or sell it and get one unlocked, or get a Note 2 to hold me over until Verizon gets the next HTC. The DNA 2 or One Variant.
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why not take it back to the store and swap it out instead? Just don't let the store reps update your software. I never let them do anything more then activate my sim card
Guess its a good thing the woman that sold me mine was not familiar with smartphones, I had to show her how to take out the SIM tray. I declined the update so I could familiarize myself to sense coming from the razr maxx
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xraytid said:
why not take it back to the store and swap it out instead? Just don't let the store reps update your software. I never let them do anything more then activate my sim card
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You think the phone was updated and didn't just come already preloaded with the new software? I don't remember having to sit through any update, she simply opened it, popped in the sim card, and had me log into my gmail. If that's the case, then I might try that route.
I came from the Maxx and think the DNA is so much more of a phone that I live we the battery size. I got to say that there is something innate to flashaholics that we must have the latest version and once we have it, we want to newest version. In the end, they all still do the same damn thing. We risk bricking, endless hours of trying to fix something we may have screwed up in flashing variants and trying every rom out there and trying again and again. The DNA is a great phone as is. You will always want the next phone regardless so make a decision based on the phone in your hand not what it may be like once you get rooted and start the insanity again of trying to make it better. You can deactivate bloat, hid things in app drawer, it is still blazing fast, a portable battery hub solves the battery issue better than having to plug in everywhere, the Qi pad is sweet, still fits in jean pockets and it has a beautiful screen.
I came from the Maxx and think the DNA is so much more of a phone that I live we the battery size. I got to say that there is something innate to flashaholics that we must have the latest version and once we have it, we want to newest version. In the end, they all still do the same damn thing. We risk bricking, endless hours of trying to fix something we may have screwed up in flashing variants and trying every rom out there and trying again and again. The DNA is a great phone as is. You will always want the next phone regardless so make a decision based on the phone in your hand not what it may be like once you get rooted and start the insanity again of trying to make it better. You can deactivate bloat, hid things in app drawer, it is still blazing fast, a portable battery hub solves the battery issue better than having to plug in everywhere, the Qi pad is sweet, still fits in jean pockets and it has a beautiful screen.
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Why do you have to point out the amazingness of this phone and make my decision even harder!? I do agree with you though. The DNA has amazing more-than-currently-needed hardware, and that's really what's making my decision so hard. I have faith in the unlock, and plenty of patience, but it's hard being a developer and not being able to dev. I hate being restricted. I'm almost to the point of getting the Note II, but the phablet size is keeping me away for now.
Thanks for the input!
I would say the DNA is definitely worth it even without root/unlock.
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I would say the DNA is definitely worth it even without root/unlock.
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Before the update came out I didn't root or unlock because I think phone is amazing on a stock rom. HTC really did a nice job. Although once it stops getting otas I will unlock root and put a custom rom and kernel but until then I'm just staying on stock. I don't see anything wrong with it. And if I get the urge to flash something I just flash my n7.
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Before the update came out I didn't root or unlock because I think phone is amazing on a stock rom. HTC really did a nice job. Although once it stops getting otas I will unlock root and put a custom rom and kernel but until then I'm just staying on stock. I don't see anything wrong with it. And if I get the urge to flash something I just flash my n7.
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I am rooted and unlocked but the main reason I did it was to remap to recents button to long press menu just go get rid of the black menu bar.
Other than that I was very happy with stock.
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My DNA is still locked and unrooted and honestly it doesn't bother me too much. It is pretty awesome as is. Sure it has some annoyances but what phone doesn't?
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I would say the DNA is definitely worth it even without root/unlock.
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Absolutely, it's a very smooth phone. And like broons said, there are small things that bug me. I would like to root for tasker, hotspot/tether, custom notifications bar (i really dislike the sense skinned not bar), power on with volume, remve gps icon, and remove the bloat completely. Those are what I would do instantly, with only root. But of course, the main reason would be to flash roms and take a crack at the source myself
Is there currently a team actively working on the 2.04 unlock?
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Absolutely, it's a very smooth phone. And like broons said, there are small things that bug me. I would like to root for tasker, hotspot/tether, custom notifications bar (i really dislike the sense skinned not bar), power on with volume, remve gps icon, and remove the bloat completely. Those are what I would do instantly, with only root. But of course, the main reason would be to flash roms and take a crack at the source myself
Is there currently a team actively working on the 2.04 unlock?
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Guys If you want an exploit email and twitter at HTC and HTCDEV to release the 2.04 kernel source which they are LEGALLY required to do and have no done so yet. There is seriously a likely exploit there.
I'd stick with the DNA...cm 10.1 is almost done and if devs can't figure out a root method...which i think they will...you can send it off to get s-off for like $40...its not impossible to get s-off
Current team says it is not likely. Kernel source may help.
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Current team says it is not likely. Kernel source may help.
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^ Truth.
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I would say the DNA is definitely worth it even without root/unlock.
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The first thing I do is ROOT when I get a phone. However I can't on the DNA b/c I'm also on 2.04. I'm actually with AT&T using the DNA. I don't have LTE, and MMS only works using GoSMS which I don't really care for. Even with the MMS issue, no LTE, and no ROOT, this phone is still worth it. If I was an actual VZW subscriber, this would be the phone to have for sure.
I want ROOT to remove the horrid software install popups when connecting by usb and to wifi tether. Other than that, the stock rom is pretty smooth. The hardware is just too BEAST to pass up. I'm coming from the OneX which was a great phone as well, but the DNA runs circles around the OneX.
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I just grabbed this phone from Verizon, since the dev community is small compared to my other 2 options (Razr HD Maxx and Galaxy S3), however, with this new pesky 2.04 OTA that came pre-installed on my DNA, it seems like the community is currently at a halt.
I have approx 10 more days to return my DNA and get a second choice (Razr or Galaxy), but the hardware is really holding me to the DNA. I don't care much for Sense, and I've always been a motorola fan, however I also love to dev and mess with my phones. So, how likely is this 2.04 unlock? Or should I just go ahead and switch phones? Both the S3 and Razr have great dev communities. S3 has 2gb ram while the Razr has 1gb ram BUT has that amazing battery.
What should I do? I'm so indecisive right now and it's killing me!
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I have had numerous Moto phones and the Razr Maxx HD was a big disappointment for me; and I tried hard to love that thing. 32 GB of memory and a battery like no other, but they skimped out by only including 1 GB of RAM which gave me redraw after redraw. It reminded me of my old Charge. The DNA is by far the best stock Android phone I've ever had (15 and counting). If you don't like Sense, then just throw Nova or something similar on top. I would never own a Samsung phone again, but if you're okay with the plastic, crappy feel, the S3 probably has the easiest phone to root and the most custom ROM's.
If you guys want any hope of an exploit, Twitter and email HTC and htcdev to release the kernel source! They are violating the gpl by not doing that.
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Had the Razr as well and loved it but the 1gb of RAM was the problem. Had they put 2gb in the HD's, right now, they would be owning market.
The DNA is amazing even unrooted. Power toggles and Nova make this phone completely unique and i haven't even played with ADW and other launchers. Just crazy fast and lightning quick.