Hello,
How are you?
I decided I'd share my story and give my insights about the Nexus 10. First a little background...
I have been an OSX user for some years. From Macbook, to Macbook Pro, to iMac, I have long ditched windows for my personal computing needs.
In the gadget front, I have always been an android user. Despite having thought about getting an iPad on some occasions, or even an iPhone, I never actually pulled the trigger.
Since my first smartphone, I have always used android phones, from 2.1, to froyo, to Ginger Bread, ICS and now Jelly bean.
After having several phones I settled for the galaxy nexus. I really like Google Web Services and the way they all just work with android and sync flawlessly.
I also love the Nexus pure android and timely updates.
Because I was so happy with my phone, when the nexus 7 came out, I bought a 16gb wifi unit. It was not my first android tablet. About a year ago I bought an HTC Flyer that a few months later I gave to my wife. At the time I had a Galaxy note and didn't use the tablet that much... But anyway...
I liked the Nexus 7. It is fast, good size, good portability. The device is not ideal for web browsing, but because of it's screen size, it is great to use phone apps to do things, like ebay app, paypal app, tapatalk, and such...
Then, after the confusion of the 13 November nexus 4 and nexus 10 launches, I ended up not getting any. Last week, I was finally able to order a Nexus 10 from the playstore and it was delivered this monday morning...
Unboxed it:
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Beautiful device. Great specs. It was light, well built and with a good feel.
Loved the screen... Beautiful piece of kit.
The front facing speakers were great...
It ran fast as hell... Synced everything with my nexus 7 and galaxy nexus beautifully!
It was a dream of a device... Until I actually started using it...
There were not too many apps for the bigger and higher res screen...
But that is ok. It is not like I use apps for facebook, ebay or forums on my laptop or desktop... I just use the web browser...
So, went and used it on the nexus 10... And that was the disappointment...
The 16:10 screen which becomes 16:9 when in use thanks to the soft buttons is horrible.
Text is crisp as hell, and I see no pixels, but I also see no content...
The tablet is just to short in height to use in landscape mode. I have to scroll and scroll and scroll to use any site... The way the sites scale on chrome, even fully zoomed out, just don't allow enough content on screen...
So, portrait, no problem...
Well, terrible...
It felt like holding a wooden board... The tablet is just too long and becomes too top heavy to use comfortably in portrait... Also, because the screen is narrow, the web sites don't look natural...
After trying to like the Nexus 10, I just couldn't...
Ended up selling it yesterday. Thanks to the high demand and low supply, I still made a tiny profit with it.
And today I ordered an Ipad 4.
I just realised that at the end of the day, it is not specs, or GPU or CPU or Ram or PPI that make a device...
When a company thinks about usability and ergonomics of a device, that just shows in the way it becomes natural and comfortable to use said device.
I just didn't find the Nexus 10 comfortable or natural for what I wanted to use it for, and that was web browsing mainly.
Maybe that will change in the future when android gets really multi tasking with resizable windows. Thanks maybe the 16:10 will be a plus.
But in the current state of tablet operating systems, for me the 4:3 is more natural and better.
So, this is my experience. I must thought I'd share.
At the end of the day this is just my impressions and my opinions and my feelings towards tablets. I am not an apple fanboy or android fanboy. I am a big nerd and a fan of technology.
It is how you feel about what you use and how what you use gets what you need done that matters. In the end of the day, tablets, phones, laptops, are either tools or toys or a bit of both, but they are not what's most important.
Best regards.
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If you're looking for an Android device with a 4:3 aspect ratio, consider buying a Nook HD+. It's probably the lightest small tablet around, and hopefully they'll port CM to it soon.
Well having a tablet, you need buttons. Most go with onscreen buttons, otherwise those cheap brands with buttons that break in a couple clicks.
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I just don't see this topic as being of any use to the community. This adds nothing. If you don't like it fine, return it sell it. But creating a topic? I never understood this other then trying tto get attention.
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Too each their own I suppose. To me the aspect ratio seems like a silly reason to sell it. I too dislike the wasted real-estate of the nav buttons, but with Android you have the choice to get rid of them.
jjdevega said:
I just don't see this topic as being of any use to the community. This adds nothing. If you don't like it fine, return it sell it. But creating a topic? I never understood this other then trying tto get attention.
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Are reviews by tech sites useful? Are unboxing pictures and videos useful?
That is always debatable.
As is the usefulness of my topic. It might not be useful to you, it might me to someone else.
I respect that.
This is just my user reviews as someone you bought the device and had a user experience and an impression about it.
Best regards.
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That is funny...
I an called an iTroll, a simple troll, and invited to get out of here with my ipad...
But yet I think I wrote nothing offensive or provocative.
Yet, in here seems android has fanboys like apple is said to have...
People you are narrow minded and don't have tolerance to different opinions from their own.
I am not an apple fanboy, nor an android fanboy.
I own an imac, a lenovo windows laptop, a nexus 7 and a galaxy nexus. If I could afford it I would also have a Lumia 920, a surface tablet, a Macbook retina, and so on.
Because I like technology and I like to try out technology to find the one that suits me best.
I don't need to buy and sell nexus 10s to make a living... If I needed, I would not have bought one, but 20...
Regards
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The iPad is terrible for viewing media with black bars on the top and bottom of the screen.
It is also terrible for listening to music with a mono back-facing speaker compared to the front facing stereo on the Nexus 10.
Web sites with a lot of wide detail can be viewed on the Nexus 10 in landscape without zooming.
Web sites with little wide detail can be viewed in portait allowing more to be seen without scrolling.
So the Nexus 10 can be used in which ever way is best for Web sites.
Apple have already realised how much better the 16:9 format is and changed the iPhone 5 and it won't be long before the iPad follows too.
gdourado said:
There were not too many apps for the bigger and higher res screen...
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I imagine this will change in time, but currently, there isn't too much available.
gdourado said:
So, went and used it on the nexus 10... And that was the disappointment...
The 16:10 screen which becomes 16:9 when in use thanks to the soft buttons is horrible.
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On stock, this is a slight problem. On a custom ROM though, can just expand desktop and hide both bars for the full display.
gdourado said:
It felt like holding a wooden board... The tablet is just too long and becomes too top heavy to use comfortably in portrait... Also, because the screen is narrow, the web sites don't look natural...
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I do agree, not a real fan of using portrait mode on the Nexus 10.
gdourado said:
But yet I think I wrote nothing offensive or provocative.
Yet, in here seems android has fanboys like apple is said to have...
People you are narrow minded and don't have tolerance to different opinions from their own.
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I kind of agree, I actually found your post pretty pleasing to read; nothing deserving of a "iTroll" or any other harsh words...
He is a yellow journalist who got paid to do negative campaign. He dont like change and what he meant is that he is comfortable with the vga screen rather than using the hd because he likes it that way. Well enough its just you who like the outdated 4:3. As far as full screen scaled apps are not there. You have to wait a little for that the full hd screens just came out. Devs need time to scale theur apps. U didnt like the form factor well then stick with ur nexus 7. 10 inch is for those who are replacing their PC with a tablet.
In the end not every device is for everyone. Ppl with money just buy everything thinkingit will be productive. Next time consider ur use and then buy a device.
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qazibasit said:
He is a yellow journalist who got paid to do negative campaign. He dont like change and what he meant is that he is comfortable with the vga screen rather than using the hd because he likes it that way.
Well enough its just you who like the outdated 4:3. As far as full screen scaled apps are not there.
You have to wait a little for that the full hd screens just came out. Devs need time to scale theur apps.
10 inch is for those who are replacing their PC with a tablet.
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FYI - HD is anything over 720p (or 1080p depending on what you think), the ipad 4 isn't VGA. oh. and VGA is not a quality of screen, it's an output method, that can output more than 1080p funnily enough. (ok, lets assume that you mean 640x480 anyways, but the ipad still isn't that)
i find that saying 4:3 is outdated is a little silly, as it does allow you to use it in multiple orientations more easily than a 16:10 (but yeah, 16:10 is nice too for other reasons)
you can't replace a PC with a tablet. (well, not completely)
I don't get people complaining of landscape mode for web browsing. I have yet to own a tablet and can't wait to use the screen size in landscape mode for web browsing, it is going to be a dream.
But this is coming from a guy who never owned a tablet and browses the web on a 4" Ipod 5 in landscape mode.
I am looking forward to the aspect ratio of this tablet. How big do you need?
I just got my nexus 10. Which Google delayed shipping to me because they ran out of stock on the 8 GB phone (mind you I ordered on day 1 too) oh and they put a bumper in lieu of my actual phone and Google csr tier II is terrible. So not only did I have to wait 2 weeks to get my tablet which they still had plenty of stock they ************ forgot the phone which caused the delay in the first place. †************* great.
So now onto my experience with the tablet. It doesn't feel as smooth as the nexus 4. Video playback is amazing though. The text is not as smooth or crops as compared to the iPad 3 in my house. The book readers are terrible ... I am sorry but iBooks is actually much easier to use and in a twist of irony you can also use manually place your own ebooks into I books but you can't with Google's default reader. I also hate this keyboard which I plan to change.
Sent from my nexus 10 for which I have mixed feelings about and perhaps I'm A TAD BIT colored by my extreme hatred over this Google play fiasco.
Fissurez said:
FYI - HD is anything over 720p (or 1080p depending on what you think), the ipad 4 isn't VGA. oh. and VGA is not a quality of screen, it's an output method, that can output more than 1080p funnily enough. (ok, lets assume that you mean 640x480 anyways, but the ipad still isn't that)
i find that saying 4:3 is outdated is a little silly, as it does allow you to use it in multiple orientations more easily than a 16:10 (but yeah, 16:10 is nice too for other reasons)
you can't replace a PC with a tablet. (well, not completely)
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lol yes VGA stands for Video Graphics Adapter... i think a fair statement would be for working 4:3 is preferred and when playing 16:10 ... keep in mind tho it wasnt so long ago ALL tvs were 4:3 and now its the opposite most tvs are 16:9 etc.. this is off topic but when i play css on my 52" tv i have to play it in 4:3 ( 640x480 ) because the orientation gets out of whack so to speak if i go to 1600x1200 yeah its time for an HDMI video card. but anyways... the reason i replied was the last statement it made me think about it since i have a tablet and a wireless keyboard and mouse to go with it... to use them i cannot be charging at the same time so i guess you are right portability wise... nice thought tho. if i could get a good news reader on it ( dont see any reason why not just havent looked into it yet) and use my powered hub so the hdd, keyboard, and mouse dont kill the battery on the N7 i cannot see why not ? as far as flash games i am kind of tired of those anyways.. and to replace CSS all i need is a good FPS. i already found a great one ( free) that showcases what the GPU is capable of. just need to get it working with the wiimote and im good.
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FYI - HD is anything over 720p (or 1080p depending on what you think), the ipad 4 isn't VGA. oh. and VGA is not a quality of screen, it's an output method, that can output more than 1080p funnily enough. (ok, lets assume that you mean 640x480 anyways, but the ipad still isn't that)
i find that saying 4:3 is outdated is a little silly, as it does allow you to use it in multiple orientations more easily than a 16:10 (but yeah, 16:10 is nice too for other reasons)
you can't replace a PC with a tablet. (well, not completely)
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Mr. I never expected that ur so dumb that u wont get the humor out of the vga thing. Plus vga never support more than 720 p.
Ur criticizing because u are among those who can bear change. Tablets have almost replaced the PCs atleast for a majority now dont say that u use a visual studio or other compilers for programming or maya and other graphic work. For that sort defintely a tablet is useless.
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the1onewolf said:
I also hate this keyboard which I plan to change.
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Are you joking about the keyboard? iOS keyboard is a POS with letters that always show in upper case even when caps lock is off. They place language setting where it's easily changed by accident instead of properly separating it in settings menu. It doesn't have native swype and voice dictation is weaker.
mi7chy said:
Are you joking about the keyboard? iOS keyboard is a POS with letters that always show in upper case even when caps lock is off. They place language setting where it's easily changed by accident instead of properly separating it in settings menu. It doesn't have native swype and voice dictation is weaker.
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Well no ****, it goes without saying that voice dictation is weaker on the iOS.
The rest really is just a matter of preference.
I find the nexus 10 keyboard to be unnecessarily cluttered.
I think the iOS keyboard works a lot better on mobile devices.
I also prefer the nexus 4 keyboard over the tablet because it's simpler and intuitive.
I don't use swype typing with two fingers is much faster for me. I've also heard that this native swype is a pos compared to the real swype.
You don't like it, you can probably change it that's the android way.
Well the book readers at still pretty helpless.
I don't get why there's so much... disapproval over the OP's decision. Buying and using a device should probably be personally enjoyable, or else you would of wasted your money right? He listed his reasons why he didn't like the Nexus 10, and purchased an iPad 4, so what? Did he spend your money? Does his decision affect you in any way? Did a car barrel roll for miles across the world killing thousands because of this decision?
Also, I think there is no "master" device or OS. Different people have different tastes and do different things, there is no 1-device/OS-fits-all, and that is a fact
qazibasit said:
Mr. I never expected that ur so dumb that u wont get the humor out of the vga thing. Plus vga never support more than 720 p.
Ur criticizing because u are among those who can bear change. Tablets have almost replaced the PCs atleast for a majority now dont say that u use a visual studio or other compilers for programming or maya and other graphic work. For that sort defintely a tablet is useless.
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Firstly, your humour was pretty poor, if that.
Secondly, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VGA "Today, the VGA analog interface is used for high definition video including 1080p and higher."
(W-W-W-W-WIKIPEDIA'D)
Thirdly, while tablets are pretty damn useful at what they do, they aren't nearly powerful enough to take over PCs (hell, they can't even do multi-windowed stuff) so if all you do is browse the web and email your buddies, then sure you can have a tablet replace a PC.
but... "Tablets have almost replaced the PCs atleast for a majority" is an incredibly short sighted and relatively stupid statement.
have fun storing terabytes of data on your tablet.
(p.s. is it really that difficult to structure a decent sentence with decent grammar?)
Fissurez said:
Firstly, your humour was pretty poor, if that.
Secondly, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VGA "Today, the VGA analog interface is used for high definition video including 1080p and higher."
(W-W-W-W-WIKIPEDIA'D)
Thirdly, while tablets are pretty damn useful at what they do, they aren't nearly powerful enough to take over PCs (hell, they can't even do multi-windowed stuff) so if all you do is browse the web and email your buddies, then sure you can have a tablet replace a PC.
but... "Tablets have almost replaced the PCs atleast for a majority" is an incredibly short sighted and relatively stupid statement.
have fun storing terabytes of data on your tablet.
(p.s. is it really that difficult to structure a decent sentence with decent grammar?)
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1. Proving a point using Wikipedia is... well there's a reason why Wikipedia isn't highly-regarded for 100% factual information
2. You'd be surprised how hard English might be when it's not your native language (not sure if the person's native language is or isn't language, just stating this overall)
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I just wanted to share my experiences with the ASUS Transformer Prime after 7 days of owning one...
So when the Prime was first announced, I immediately decided that was going to the first and only Android tablet I get.
It had the specs. It had the looks. It had the good initial reviews.
Then when the Prime was released in the US, the first rumblings started to come out that the Prime was not as perfect as it seemed.
I was determined not to pay too much attention to the issues that people were having and wait to get mine to make my own mind up.
So on 2nd Feb, bought my Prime. And the first 48 hours were great; the tab had excellent build quality, the OS was nippy and there was the added novelty of the keyboard dock.
Boredom set in; there are not a lot of Android tablet apps out there; the apps that were updated to work with ICS scaled up beautifully, but are still very limited. The few optimised apps I could find were just OK, not great.
Also really dumb things began to irk me within the OS; setting something as simple as wallpaper was hit and miss. Sometimes the display would refuse to show icons or widgets without a reboot.
Then the bottom segment of the display would glitch and flash.
Talking of Flash, once I installed Flash 11 on the Prime, the performance took a bit of a hit; the browser was sluggish and wouldn't render properly;
I also had issues with DLNA; the devices in my house (Xbox, PS3, iPhone, Mac) can all see the folders on my Buffalo NAS with no issues. The Prime refused to see anything but the Music folder.
Bad.
Then we had the hardware issues.
The issue with GPS is well known; no lock whatsoever indoors…Outside, 5 MINS to get a lock on ONE satellite.
I thought "meh, it's not like I'm gonna use it…"
- Wi-fi signal would drop even when I was close to the router and even on a clear channel
- Camera quality for an 8MP camera was not as good as the iPhone 4S
- Light bleed on the right side of the display was bad as well…
- Battery was lasting 6-8hrs max;
It was at this point, I started thinking: This has just cost me £500.
It was something that I had been looking forward for weeks, had saved and sacrificed for… and I'm disappointed with it…
£500 is a lot of money for a device with so many flaws; it felt like a beta product.
It also didn't help that ASUS decided to announce an upgraded model with a fix for the GPS issues and that will probably have a better QA process.
Software-wise, Android has momentum… but it's not there yet.
I wanted to use BBC iPlayer; there is no app for tablets available and you can't even use the website because it's not supported; it's the same with Sky Go.
Both of these services have fully functional iPad apps, by the way.
There just simply are not enough decent quality or killer apps for Android tablet at the moment. Specs mean nothing without content to take advantage of them.
In hindsight, it was probably too early for me to get an Android tablet. As much as I like to tinker, at the same time I need something that is functional and just works.
I returned the Prime today; gutted I had to, but there too many issues and niggles that would have prevented me from justifying spending £500 on something that's not ready for primetime (excuse the pun).
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There just simply are not enough decent quality or killer apps for Android tablet at the moment. Specs mean nothing without content to take advantage of them.
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Attacking the Prime gets you flamed. Attacking Android gets you incinerated. Be prepared.
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BarryH_GEG said:
Attacking the Prime gets you flamed. Attacking Android gets you incinerated. Be prepared.
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It's not an attack, thank you.
I have a Samsung Galaxy S2 and it's brilliant; I've had no issues with it in nearly a year and it's been rooted and all sorts.
Android is a great platform, but the critical mass is not there for apps yet.
The Prime is a cracking bit of kit; ASUS kinda screwed up by releasing a hyped product with so many issues, then made it worse by announcing an better version within days of the retail launch.
The point was to share experience, not start a flame war. Your post doesn't help.
Just return and it wait for a tablet that works properly. This forum is full of people trying to justify their 600 dollar purchase with blind fanboy logic. Any idiot can see this tablet has severe issues, some of which no software update will ever fix.
So let me save people the time and I will post the responses you are likely to hear.
"Mine works just fine.. sucks for you"
"Must be user error".
"My wifi works great"( manyof these people are clueless on how to even test wifi signal)
And the ever popular "cool story bro"
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I actually thik the opposite. IMO, iOS sucks. Apple was never a cloud company and it is still a cloud wannabe. Google has always been a cloud company. Gmail, Docs, Chrome, great stuff. I am quite content with the apps available for Android. I even found QGET for my QNAP, was surprised to see that. More will come.
Good decision imho. It didnt do what you bought it for (what ever that was, not clear to me from your post).
I'm still very happy with it. No issues. Yeah software could (and will) be better. But this thing does everything i need and it does it good. Watching full high quality flash in the browser is a huge plus for me.
One thing though, i never had an ipad - so i guess i dont know how it is when you have dozes of "tablet" apps.
What is different about those compared to apps on android tablets? The layout of them? The features? I really like the idea behind ICS and the unification of apps for phones/tablets. Only problem it was just released^^ Think about the first 6 months the ipad was out.
But still i have a nice looking "tablet" app for everything i need. Great pdf reader&book reader, very nice newspaper app was already installed offering local newspapers. The music app is stunning and feels just so good, Gmail, Polaris office, many very good choices on browsers, video player software and keyboards. Stuff like Titanium Backup? Not even windows has such a good backup system.
The simple and accessible file system android has... I dont know iOS just has absolutely no chance on a tablet compared to android. IMHO. I'm sounding like a fanboy but plz show me why iOS is so much better on a tablet? There must be some really freakin awesome apps^^
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I think there is a big difference. Jobs once said today its all about apps on mobile devices. People want to use an app for everything instead of using the "internet". At least thats what apple advertises... But for me that isnt true at all. When i read news, i use the browser and if I want to watch starcraft games or TV i use websites for that as well. Google is a total browser company, chrome alone shows that. And i guess thats why ios will never be better for what i'm looking for.
i cant see apple last forever. Android is individuality. iOS is conformity. Now think about what modern society is and how people are today.
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There just simply are not enough decent quality or killer apps for Android tablet at the moment. Specs mean nothing without content to take advantage of them.
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Although I love Android and my Prime, I completely agree with this statement 100%. That's what I've been telling people when they try to be like oh there's a new model tf-700 coming out, or new Lenovo crap tablet, or Samsung Ipad wannabe tablet, or whatever with higher specs. Higher specs don't mean jack of we don't have the software to fully utilize it. Its no secret that Android tablets are more powerful spec wise than Ipad or ipad2. Thing apple has downpacked is they make the most with what they have. Apps are 100% optimized for the spec on IOS devices. Just like at the beginning here, when people were crying about 1Gb of rAM not being enough to succeed. Well tell that to the sales figures of ipad1 and ipad2. My ipad1 only has 256mb of RAM. Ipad2 only has 512mb of RAM. Yet they own majority of tablet market n sell the most. The software and hardware apple brings mesh very well. I got tired of being locked down to Apples rules and very glad I got my Android tablet. My Prime kills ipad1 or 2 n looks or power or whatever. BUT they still have advantage of having wayyyy more tablet only optimized apps. There's no denying it. App store has a huge section dedicated to just tablet apps only. Makes it easier for people to distinguish between phone n tablet optimized apps.
Like I've always debated before, software is the key to Android success. Not constantly throwing hardware or higher specs at the issue. What good is a 3Ghz speed(example) new Android tablet, if its pushing the same on crap like Joe schmoe is on his cheap android phone? That's all I've been trying to say. ANDROID needs to concentrate more on the OS optimizing and the software or we will always be behind. As far as app quality goes. ANDROID is getting there though. But needs to pick up the pace fast. Especially with windows trying to jump back into the scene. Remember before there was every an android or IOS, Microsoft n windows ruled mobile. Like from my Kaiser(Tilt) n Rhodium(tilt2) days. I remember thinkn those phones were so high tech n could do so much. It was the ending of an era that brought way to IOS n Android. They were fresh n new n had killer features also. Real touch screens. Capacitive. Not that resistive touch screen crap that my old phones had. I even had a Motorola original Razed back in the day. Very high tech for its time. AS we see times are changing. It takes alot more to please people now. Just having higher specs won't do it anymore. ANDROID HAS to come with more than that. We have soon much untapped potential with Android. But like they say, Potential don't mean sh#! If its not put to use properly I have faith n Android believe it will eventually get to where it should be.
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clouds5 said:
Good decision imho. It didnt do what you bought it for (what ever that was, not clear to me from your post).
I'm still very happy with it. No issues. Yeah software could (and will) be better. But this thing does everything i need and it does it good. Watching full high quality flash in the browser is a huge plus for me.
One thing though, i never had an ipad - so i guess i dont know how it is when you have dozes of "tablet" apps.
What is different about those compared to apps on android tablets? The layout of them? The features? I really like the idea behind ICS and the unification of apps for phones/tablets. Only problem it was just released^^ Think about the first 6 months the ipad was out.
But still i have a nice looking "tablet" app for everything i need. Great pdf reader&book reader, very nice newspaper app was already installed offering local newspapers. The music app is stunning and feels just so good, Gmail, Polaris office, many very good choices on browsers, video player software and keyboards. Stuff like Titanium Backup? Not even windows has such a good backup system.
The simple and accessible file system android has... I dont know iOS just has absolutely no chance on a tablet compared to android. IMHO. I'm sounding like a fanboy but plz show me why iOS is so much better on a tablet? There must be some really freakin awesome apps^^
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I think there is a big difference. Jobs once said today its all about apps on mobile devices. People want to use an app for everything instead of using the "internet". At least thats what apple advertises... But for me that isnt true at all. When i read news, i use the browser and if I want to watch starcraft games or TV i use websites for that as well. Google is a total browser company, chrome alone shows that. And i guess thats why ios will never be better for what i'm looking for.
i cant see apple last forever. Android is individuality. iOS is conformity. Now think about what modern society is and how people are today.
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I Approve this message great points
Thanks for the responses!
It was a real wretch giving the tablet back; I love the flexibility of Android and it will get there in time...
I might even get the Prime again in a 6-12 months time... which is an ages when it comes to technology
I think its sad that someone leave a honest review gets flamed on lol, wake up and look at all the complaints on the forums the man is correct. And we all know android has potential but if the development is not there now then android is not there . That simple stop crying about how android is better
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I think its sad that someone leave a honest review gets flamed on lol, wake up and look at all the complaints on the forums the man is correct. And we all know android has potential but if the development is not there now then android is not there . That simple stop crying about how android is better
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All I said was bye
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Thanks for the responses!
It was a real wretch giving the tablet back; I love the flexibility of Android and it will get there in time...
I might even get the Prime again in a 6-12 months time... which is an ages when it comes to technology
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Yeah...its just so messed up how Asus tainted this Prime launch. Prime is an excellent device when you have a good working one. Like me I wouldn't trade my prime for any other tablet. It works so great for me. SERIOUSLY. BUT I KNOW there are defective ones out there so it messes up the experience for that person. For me this 5 core tegra3 device kicks ass. For others with defective devices, they are really disappointed n I can understand the anger behind it. But not all are that way though. The ones that aren't will always speak up n support it because of how much we enjoy it. Good luck on future tablet.
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Shouldn't you be gone then? xD
He's not talking about you specifically. People need to know the difference between generalisation/blanket statements and the particulars, like my teacher always says. :3
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Shouldn't you be gone then? xD
He's not talking about you specifically. People need to know the difference between generalisation/blanket statements and the particulars, like my teacher always says. :3
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No, no, no, I was telling him bye (very coolly I thought), I wasn't leaving. I was one of the lucky ones with the prime from 01/27 plus I got a year ADH from BB so if they fix the GPS then I will replace it based on the GPS listed on the box. Besides look at my sig.
Just realized there is a whole cool story bro world out there. Okay to the OP I gonna post one that maybe you haven't seen to cheer you up, I think he is from across the pond. BTW I bought my first OG transfomer in Oct fully 7 months after original release so that should work out for you
Later 2 I sold mine on eBay for a good deal, as I am happy and my customer is happy. I'm waiting about 10 more days for the Samsung Galaxy Note. I'm still interested in where the android technology goes in 2012. If they can't make things stronger this year they may lose their chance to be the 'best other option' with the windows tablets coming out. I believe they will be good as well.
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From years on forums discussing mobile devices, here's some etiquette type things I've learned.
1) Android vs. iOS - It's like comparing a diesel car to a hybrid. They both achieve the same result but totally differently. Owners of both will vigorously defend their choice. They don't need to be repeated here, but both Android and iOS have their own unique strengths and weaknesses. Saying iOS is "better" (which is subjective anyway) is a sure way of starting a flame war. Same thing applies in reverse on an Apple forum. Detente is the best anyone can hope for.
2) The "Grand Farewell" - If someone's leaving a device over issues, chances are there's already a thread open on said issues. If saying good-bye to people you don't know who really don't care what device you're leaving for or why is important to you, say it in that thread. Addressing an entire forum's audience on the front page announcing your plans is a bit self-indulgent.
3) The "I Just Got My Device" - Unless there's something unique about your particular unit, no one really cares. Theoretically they should all be the same and thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people preceded you. If you need validation, find another "I Just Got My Device" thread and bump that one with a hearty “Me Too!”
4) "My "X" Device is Better Than This Forum's "Y" Device - It's like going over to someone's house for dinner and calling them ugly. If there's a comparison thread, fine, it's open season. To jump in to a thread discussing the host forum's device and say "I don't have any issues with my ’X’" adds no value and just pisses people off; especially if they’re working through an issue. Chances are the "X" device may not have said issue but has its own which might even be worse. No one needs a “device pissing match” in the middle of an issue thread.
Just something to think about...
Now this is a proper way to share your experience and say farewell. I really appreciate that you did not disrespect the users, and stayed on topic and provided proper, no-rage fueled reasoning. Really sorry that you were not satisfied with your purchase, and it is your every right to switch to another gadget.
Would love to see you back when ICS ages a bit and Prime gets its issues solved. Me on the other hand, I am very happy with the prime.
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Software-wise, Android has momentum… but it's not there yet.
I wanted to use BBC iPlayer; there is no app for tablets available and you can't even use the website because it's not supported; it's the same with Sky Go.
Both of these services have fully functional iPad apps, by the way.
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Keeping it constructive - Sky Go app coming very soon for Android Tablets (End of Feb), iPlayer works like a charm, you have to request the desktop site from the browser, BBCHD videos are smooth as silk.
Looking forward to my flight from the UK to Australia in a couple of weeks with my Prime in tow, portable HDD connected to the USB port on the dock with 300GB of movies, this is my in flight entertainment!!
I have lightbleed, doesn't bother me, GPS is cack also, again it's what you want the tablet for and are willing to put up with - yes it's not perfect, but what is? I had an iPad2 and it kept slipping out of my hands as it was so heavy and the aluminium case was so slippy, had a Galaxy Tab 10.1 but sold it due to Tegra2 being rubbish and not wanting to convert all my movies to a format IT was happy with
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I also had issues with DLNA; the devices in my house (Xbox, PS3, iPhone, Mac) can all see the folders on my Buffalo NAS with no issues. The Prime refused to see anything but the Music folder.
Bad.
Software-wise, Android has momentum… but it's not there yet.
I wanted to use BBC iPlayer; there is no app for tablets available and you can't even use the website because it's not supported; it's the same with Sky Go.
Both of these services have fully functional iPad apps, by the way.
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In hindsight, it was probably too early for me to get an Android tablet. As much as I like to tinker, at the same time I need something that is functional and just works.
I returned the Prime today; gutted I had to, but there too many issues and niggles that would have prevented me from justifying spending £500 on something that's not ready for primetime (excuse the pun).
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seriously why didn't you buy an ipad or any stuff apple sells to people think like you?
I don't regurgitate blog pieces as a rule, but this was kinda funny...
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-5...have-a-clue-as-to-why-they-need-the-new-ipad/
No, no snotty "iSheep" comment from me. I fully believe that people are the same regardless of whatever toys they buy. But this illustrates the power of marketing in influencing consumer behavior. Heck, people buy bottled water!
Who else but Apple can get people to line up days in advance for its toy launches? The other day, my 6-yr old niece came up to me and said she wants an iPad for her birthday. Shut yo mouth, girl, where did you learn that nasty 4-letter word! 10 Hail Marys for you! And no ice cream either!
Then, thinking about it, if I were to get a tablet for little tyke, an iPad would be tops on the list right now. It's a great learning tool. And $400 one-time payment for an instant babysitter is not bad.
This is what Android has to face up against. It's not just a tech thing. Kudos to Apple marketers.
Then again, I take heart in realizing that all tech co's have their wax-wane cycles. Back in the day, it was the Sony Walkman that can do no wrong. Public tastes can change quickly.
The competition is great. Let's hope Goog will rise up to the challenge. I want my $199 Nexus tab. And my $499 Win8 tab.
Kind of ironic that earlier today I read a thread where you were quoting mods about xda rules/stances/etc yet here you are creating a thread that has NOTHING to do with a prime in the PRIME forums......
And some people have no clue why they'd need a new android tab either... I mean, some ppl buy new things just because they're new. That's not just the case for apple.
>And some people have no clue why they'd need a new android tab either... I mean, some ppl buy new things just because they're new. That's not just the case for apple.
When was the last time you see people get in line for a Dell or HP or anything Android...for days in advance?
For that matter, I'm hard pressed to think of any consumer product that had caused such anticipation, where even the act of waiting in line has become an "experience."
Beanies Babies? No...no lines, IIRC. Can anyone think of an equivalent example?
So, yes, it is really just the case for Apple, at least from my limited recollection.
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>And some people have no clue why they'd need a new android tab either... I mean, some ppl buy new things just because they're new. That's not just the case for apple.
When was the last time you see people get in line for a Dell or HP or anything Android...for days in advance?
For that matter, I'm hard pressed to think of any consumer product that had caused such anticipation, where even the act of waiting in line has become an "experience."
Beanies Babies? No...no lines, IIRC. Can anyone think of an equivalent example?
So, yes, it is really just the case for Apple, at least from my limited recollection.
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Justin Beiber?
Totally agree. What apple does best is marketing. Go watch some apple documentary from the 80ies on YouTube. There's one dude talking about the goals of apple and i quote:
"We want to convert people"
Guess they succeeded.
If they didn't do so much in marketing, I don't think they would be like they are now. I've said this before to people, but I just feel like the i"product" owners are brain washed by Apples Marketing techniques. Sure the iPhone and iPad and whatever have "cool" features here and there, but I'm sure if I would get bored of it.
Maybe if i STARTED with an iOS device, I would look at things differently, but since I started with an Android OS device as my real smartphone. I can't really see myself using an iOs device.
Apple people are just ignorant to the better options or f*cked up people.
I asked my co-worker why the skin on her phone had a hole on the back (was to show the Apple logo), and said it was to "advertise". Haha
They really love to show them off like they have something magical.
Anyone seen that samsung commercial where their is a huge lineup in front of a apple store and someone show up with a galaxy s2 and the guy say:
"I'm creative, I can't have a Samsung. "...
I think that is pretty much it.
The irony is that up you can't customize a iphone whitout a jailbreak and even then it is very limited...
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I think its mainly just a social standpoint piece. People want others to see them with an Apple device. Some see so many going crazy over Apple products an assume that they are superior products, because they simply don't know better. Others I believe buy them for what they are, easy to use, anyone can figure it out, modern electronic devices.
My younger sister has an iPod touch (never any apps on it, just music. Any mp3 can do that), an iPad 2(very very few apps), an is getting an iPhone when her contract is up. She currently has an Android phone. I looked at it the other day an asked why she had less than 10 apps an only 1 home screen setup on a phone she's had almost 2 years. Get reply was that she isn't in to that kinda stuff. What!!?? LOL. Yet all you can talk about is wanting an iPhone an using your iPad!!!??? If all you care about is texting an placing calls, then get a Jitterbug!!! Its just a social status for her. She is 24 too.
I bought an iPod Touch 4th Gen shortly after they came out. I love having access to Apple's Appstore. They have some great apps an games that I thoroughly enjoy. I would never have an iPhone as my primary phone, Android is so so much better an so much more fun. I do have an iPhone 4 that I got from a friend. I never activated it, just use it as a second iPod basically. I've jailbroke it, customized it some, used the Cydia apps, and I just don't see how so many people love those devices. It is so much slower than my Evo 3D even before root an overclocking. Evo 3D camera sucks, my Evo 4G was better, but its better then the iPhone camera.
Apple devices get boring quick!! I feel they have 3 owner categories: social status buyers, those who don't know better, an those who want a dumbed down an easy to use smart device.....
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I think its mainly just a social standpoint piece. People want others to see them with an Apple device. Some see so many going crazy over Apple products an assume that they are superior products, because they simply don't know better. Others I believe buy them for what they are, easy to use, anyone can figure it out, modern electronic devices.
My younger sister has an iPod touch (never any apps on it, just music. Any mp3 can do that), an iPad 2(very very few apps), an is getting an iPhone when her contract is up. She currently has an Android phone. I looked at it the other day an asked why she had less than 10 apps an only 1 home screen setup on a phone she's had almost 2 years. Get reply was that she isn't in to that kinda stuff. What!!?? LOL. Yet all you can talk about is wanting an iPhone an using your iPad!!!??? If all you care about is texting an placing calls, then get a Jitterbug!!! Its just a social status for her. She is 24 too.
I bought an iPod Touch 4th Gen shortly after they came out. I love having access to Apple's Appstore. They have some great apps an games that I thoroughly enjoy. I would never have an iPhone as my primary phone, Android is so so much better an so much more fun. I do have an iPhone 4 that I got from a friend. I never activated it, just use it as a second iPod basically. I've jailbroke it, customized it some, used the Cydia apps, and I just don't see how so many people love those devices. It is so much slower than my Evo 3D even before root an overclocking. Evo 3D camera sucks, my Evo 4G was better, but its better then the iPhone camera.
Apple devices get boring quick!! I feel they have 3 owner categories: social status buyers, those who don't know better, an those who want a dumbed down an easy to use smart device.....
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I agree. I think for majority of iPhone 4 and Ipad owners its more of a social status thing. its like having designer clothing and wearing Jordan sneakers. people go crazy over it just so they show it off and be like hey, look at me. I'm cool too...lol. iPhone and Ipad are really good devices. But not superior like most tend to believe. Apple is just a marketing genius and their app store had a headstart. ill give apple credit for making tablets popular or making them mainstream. they didn't create the market but made it popular instead.
I'd tend to think most apple device owners like to keep up with the Jones's. if you know what i mean.
The thing is though when everyone does something it goes beyond cool and becomes the normal! And something else becomes cool then the cycle repeates!
Apple will eventually slump...
It will go in and out just like fashion does every so many years..
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Then, thinking about it, if I were to get a tablet for little tyke, an iPad would be tops on the list right now. It's a great learning tool. And $400 one-time payment for an instant babysitter is not bad.
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I think it's interesting how you put this: it's a "great learning tool" and an "instant babysitter." No offense meant anywhere here--I'm a parent, and I know how blissful a few minutes of peace can be.
However, I don't think tablets and smartphones and such are "great learning tools." I think they reinforce the notion that kids have today that learning has to be entertainment. I'm of an age where I remember learning math, vocab, grammar, science, etc., etc., the hard, boring way--and I'm convinced that I learned more and better skills that way. Later in life, today's kids aren't going to be entertained every second in their jobs, which is why I think so many young people today don't perform well.
I'd say that a tablet for a kid makes for a decent toy, and can definitely provide a better form of entertainment than TV. But I would never call it a "great learning tool." And, if I were to get my son a tablet, it would be an Android tablet--at least that way he can learn to explore a device and devise ways to make it fit his needs, even how to dig into something and modify it, like rooting and such (which is why I think a $149 Nexus tablet would be EXCELLENT).
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The thing is though when everyone does something it goes beyond cool and becomes the normal! And something else becomes cool then the cycle repeates!
Apple will eventually slump...
It will go in and out just like fashion does every so many years..
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Here's what I think: Apple seems to be eating into their profit margins with the iPad. This will only get worse as lower-priced (and higher-quality) Android tablets continue to hit the market. Since it's such a huge portion of their overall profits that have been driving their stock price, any reduction will have an impact going forward.
I think a $149 (or even $199) Google Nexus tablet of any decent quality and marketed well could be a killer. They WILL eat into Apple's market share, and Apple will be forced to either come out with a lower-priced iPad (thus destroying their place at the top and validating lower-cost products), and/or continue to eat into their margins.
Bottom line: I think we could see Apple's stock price drop considerably over the next few years. And as that happens, they'll stop getting all of the attention from the media. The same cycle of hype driving stock price driving hype driving stock price could reverse pretty quickly. All that depends on Google doing some smart things, of course, and there's absolutely no guarantee that they will.
OP is ultra tier troll. Kudos to you, emote.
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Apple made a mistake going with a hi res screen, making a heavier and thicker tablet. On a 9.7" tablet, the better screen is not that noticeable. I saw the thing at the store. basically an overkill. Heavier and thicker is a big step backward. Apple wasted a year and an upgrade. I'm not gonna upgrade my wife's ipad2. I'm so tired of columnists praising the new ipad. I hope there are more article like this on cnet , speaking the truth (that the better screen isn't that different).
Threads like these are sad.
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Maybe they just want a tablet which works out of the box? And they think "Well, the $100 doesn't matter to me if I get a better screen and newer iPad". Android is great for people who want to change things on their tablet, but not for people who just want it to work.
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Apple made a mistake going with a hi res screen, making a heavier and thicker tablet. On a 9.7" tablet, the better screen is not that noticeable. I saw the thing at the store. basically an overkill. Heavier and thicker is a big step backward. Apple wasted a year and an upgrade. I'm not gonna upgrade my wife's ipad2. I'm so tired of columnists praising the new ipad. I hope there are more article like this on cnet , speaking the truth (that the better screen isn't that different).
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Sure, you will not notice the screen is better but will notice it is a full 0,6 mm thicker and 50 grams heavier.. I mean come on, the first minute you will notice it is heavier (not even it is thinker) and then it isn't noticeable anymore.
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Apple made a mistake going with a hi res screen, making a heavier and thicker tablet. On a 9.7" tablet, the better screen is not that noticeable. I saw the thing at the store. basically an overkill. Heavier and thicker is a big step backward. Apple wasted a year and an upgrade. I'm not gonna upgrade my wife's ipad2. I'm so tired of columnists praising the new ipad. I hope there are more article like this on cnet , speaking the truth (that the better screen isn't that different).
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there's actually more and more of those articles popping up. that people actually can't even tell the difference between the two displays side by side.
plus I did a little test of sorts last night. using opera browser I was looking at the font. I have good vision so it all looks clear to me. then I zoomed it up to the Max. the font still looks very clear and no jagged edges or anything. plus I can't see any pixels or whatever.
IMO, this shot looks clean as a mofo. so for me, the higher screen resolution is a bonus, but by far is needed. I came from an ipad1 resolution to the Prime 1280x800 resolution. now that's a bigger difference in clarity and why I think Prime has a great display itself.
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there's actually more and more of those articles popping up. that people actually can't even tell the difference between the two displays side by side.
plus I did a little test of sorts last night. using opera browser I was looking at the font. I have good vision so it all looks clear to me. then I zoomed it up to the Max. the font still looks very clear and no jagged edges or anything. plus I can't see any pixels or whatever.
IMO, this shot looks clean as a mofo. so for me, the higher screen resolution is a bonus, but by far is needed. I came from an ipad1 resolution to the Prime 1280x800 resolution. now that's a bigger difference in clarity and why I think Prime has a great display itself.
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iPad 1: 132 PPI
Prime: 149 PPI
new iPad: 264 PPI
Prime: 149 PPI
Sure dude, the iPad 1 vs Prime is a bigger difference.
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>And some people have no clue why they'd need a new android tab either... I mean, some ppl buy new things just because they're new. That's not just the case for apple.
When was the last time you see people get in line for a Dell or HP or anything Android...for days in advance?
For that matter, I'm hard pressed to think of any consumer product that had caused such anticipation, where even the act of waiting in line has become an "experience."
Beanies Babies? No...no lines, IIRC. Can anyone think of an equivalent example?
So, yes, it is really just the case for Apple, at least from my limited recollection.
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I'm pretty sure it took me a week to find a sprint store with my Evo 3D. Sure, there weren't massive lines but for how hard it was to get one, sure seemed that way.
Also, Nintendo Wii, Playstation 3 and XBox 360 all had massive lines. Apple isn't the only one. I remember seeing on the news that people were getting get shot for a Wii. Don't think I've heard of someone being shot for an iPad/iPhone.
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Disclaimer: As I was reading over my post, I felt that I was really critical against Android/TFP users. But the only reason I am writing this whole comparison is because I want you guys to have the best experience. I didn't sit here and type this whole thing up trying to bash you guys or show off or anything. End/
So I know I'm gonna get a lot of hate for doing this cause of all the Android fanboy vs iOS fanboy debates. But guess what, I have used Android and have been on XDA for years now and I now have an iPad, no hard feelings. Don't be fanboys of companies, be fanboys of good products.
Anyways, I'm gonna compare the TFP and the iPad 3 since I have owned both. PS, this is gonna be pro iPad so cover your eyes if you can't take my opinion.
These arguments are mostly gonna be Android vs iOS but since the TFP is the best Android tablet IMO and the iPad 3 is the best iOS, I will use them for reference.
App Availability
This is the biggest and most important difference. I still use an android phone because the apps on it are still ok. Not as good and polished as iOS apps but still manageable. However, tablets are a whole different story. Maybe just me telling you won't do any good. Just download iTunes and see for yourself. The number of tablet apps on iOS is amazing. They aren't blown up apps like the Android "tablet" apps. They really make good use of the bigger screen. I think that there are probably more retina ready apps (retina iPad came out 4 days ago) than there are tablet apps in android.
The problem is and will continue to be the fragmentation on Android. I suggest you to read about MikaMobile, creators of Battleheart, ZombieVille, etc halting android support. Basically, they said that it takes them way too much time and money to support Android due to all the different OS versions, screen sizes, hardware, etc. And until this is fixed, iOS will continue to get all the good apps which would in turn attract more customers, and this greater app support and the cycle repeats.
Smoothness
The iPad is really smooth as butter. While the TFP boasts all the hardware, I always had little lags here and there (scrolling in browser, reading large PDFs, moving between apps, etc). Again, there is no point in me telling you. Go to a store and try out the iPad. Almost never had any lag or stutters.
Sad to say but Android tablets aren't even close to what iOS tablets have to offer. I really cant see any reason why you would want an Android tablet over the iPad.
Reasons You Want Android Over iOS
1) Customization. Probably the most common argument Android users use.
-Widgets: Sure I miss them a bit but I will take good apps over widgets any day. Perhaps you spend too much time on your home screen staring at all your widgets and custom icons because you don't have any good apps.
-Custom roms/Tweaks: Can't really talk about custom roms since I have not tried any on the TFP. But I doubt it would be any faster than iOS. If you jailbreak your iPad, the customization isn't that bad, I would say better than Android actually. There are a lot of useful tweaks in Cydia that Android doesn't offer. IE, pull down in Safari to refresh page, Moving multiple icons at a time, No gravity on home screen, etc. I'm sure a rooted/unlocked Android could have those tweaks too but too bad there arent enough Android tablet users/devs.
2) Multitasking
This is actually one of the only advantages of Android. Android offers true multitasking while the iPad has pretty poor multitasking. Not much to say about that.
3) Price
This is the TFP forum so they should be about the same price. But i guess if you are getting something like the Kindle then the price is a deciding factor.
4) Keyboard + Ports
Yes, the killer feature of the Prime. Another one of the only reasons you would get TFP. However, you can check out Clamcase for iPads and it is actually better than the TFP dock in many ways minus the ports. If USB and sd ports are really that important and you dont want to use the ipad dongles then I guess this is another deciding factor.
5) Drag n Drop over iTunes
Advantage of TFP
I will be happy to respond to the typical "walled garden", "no customization", "no flash", "crappy hardware", "Android/Apple fanboy" comments.
Remember, don't be fanboys of companies, be fanboys of good products.
After playing the new Mass Effect, Sky Gamblers, Updated Real Racing 2 & Updated Infinity Blade 2....I can honestly say that my new iPad smokes the Prime and Infinity Pad. The graphics are amazing!!!!
You might want to do a bit more reading into the MikaMobile situation.
It's not they aren't making money on Google market/play, nor is it porting or various hardware problem in later interview with the dev.
Returning briefly to what took up the majority of that 20% of their time dedicated to Android development, it was not related to fragmentation as some have asserted. The two activities that required the most time were the initial porting process (not shocking) and simple customer service (download and payment problems). The latter seemed to be a particular thorn in their side and of course is made all the more exasperating by the fact that those are in fact areas in Google’s control and not really something a developer should be dealing with at all. It’s hardly the first time I’ve heard that complaint from a developer and it is a subject worthy of discussion on its own at some point.
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http://androidandme.com/2012/03/app...figures-in-their-first-six-months-on-android/
And there are successful game dev that focus solely on Android platform.
ill comment on your Ipad customization claim-
I've had an Ipad over 2yrs. jailbroken. so I know cydia and the other places very well. while cydia does have some cool tweaks to make Ipad more useful, its chump change compared to Android mods n tweaks after rooting.
Ipad has:
-no Overclocking
-no custom roms
-no memory tweaks
-no Widgets
-no undervolting for even better battery life with overclocking
-no Linux or Ubuntu can be loaded on it
-no way to make backup of the whole system on device itself
-no real customization or personalization lmfao device. all Ipad can do is change wallpaper. then if you jailbreak you can use the crappy icons or themes in there. even with those it still looks the same.
-no downloading file in stock browser, Safari
-no uploading files in stock safari
-no access to flash content. skyfire on Ipad blows. puffin browser decent bit slow as a mofo. I know, I have these apps. and Crash is a joke
-no great custom keyboards like android has.
- all apple keyboards blows. clamshell one is NOT better than transformer dock. how can you even claim that when it doesn't even have a built in battery. no USB ports. no full size SD card slot...apple peripherals blows hard. its no contest Prime has the superior keyboard. alot more functionality than apple keyboards can even dream of.
-no USB host capabilities on Ipad itself or dock. Prime can use mouse, a separate keyboard, external hard drives, etc... even apple adapter sux. all it allows you to do is access pictures. it doesn't even accept most forms of thumb drives because apple crippled the voltage output. therefore it won't even recognize devices if its not apple made. you can't even hook your phone up to Ipad and transfer files through USB adapter. it doesn't even recognize phone because it says it draws too much power.
-no ability to download attachments in native email app. you can't even create a new email, within email app, and add files or pictures to it. have to be jailbroken to partially do this. android does this out the box.
- crippled stock media player. apple only allows you to play mp4 out the box. you have to get other apps to play other formats. android/Prime plays most formats out the box.
-no real multitasking. On my prime I can use overskreen browser and surf the web while another app is opened. or like stick it media player. I can be surfing the web and watch movie at the same time with no issues. plus I float those apps anywhere on the screen I want.
-no native out the box file explorer. you have to jailbrake and get ifiles. android does this out the box.
-no optimized aspect ratio for watching movies. 4:3 aspect ratio is ratio of old a$$ television sets. you try to watch a movie and go fullscreen, it cuts off the image very badly and zooms up movie image and not as sharp and clear anymore. prime has perfect movie theatre aspect ratio. Far superior for watching movies and videos.
-safari browser not able to change user agent. most of the time it loads up mobile version of sites.
-no way to enjoy using device outdoors in the sun. its display isn't bright at all. even on highest brightness setting its hard to view outdoors. prime has no issue at all having ips+ technology. easily viewed outdoors on the brightest days.
-no developer support
-app non tablet apps look horrible resized. android does a way better job at resizing and still keeping clarity n detail of app.
-Ipad apps cost more than android version. I already compared since I have both units and over 150-200 apps on both devices.
-video conferencing far superior on Android. Android Skype, tango, fring, o'clock are better versions and perform better than IOS counterparts. I have all this apps on both devices. although my ipad1 doesn't have a cam, I'm still able to use the video chat and see the other person. I'm more so comparing quality of the video stream coming in. facetime blows because only enables chat to other IOS devices.
-NO CONTROLLER SUPPORT FOR GAMES. this is huge since Ipad tries to focus on gaming. this is what happens in locked down OS where they don't give you USB or BT host capabilities.
-Ipad apps actually crash quite frequently. instead of saying FC or would you like to close, it just crashes back to homescreen.
-new Ipad no longer has the thin and light form factor like the price. its just as thick and as heavy as the first Ipad. major step backwards for apple. especially how ipad2 was advertised by apple so much for being thin and light.
-not able to create apps and developement on the device itself. Android now has this ability and apps to develop for other android devices on the tablet itself.
-not able to go to most movie and videos sites and watch. doesn't support flash.
-Ipad YouTube app is far inferior to android one.
-no system monitor apps on Ipad. no real ones to let you monitor CPU usage, memory usage, etc..
-very large PDF files load up and turn pages very slowly on Ipad. my prime with same large PDF file plows through it easily. example: I have the complete Service manual for my dogs magnum. same manual service center uses. PDF file is over 300mb and several thousand pages long. I can use it easier and faster on my prime as I put it on both devices.
-Ipad doesn't even recognize all forms of photos/pictures. especially ones coming from android phones. apple has their own specific formats it'll only recognize. prime recognizes all picture formats.
-less than a handful of processor optimized apps and games. 99% of apps n games look and perform just as good on my ipad1 as they do with ipad2 or new Ipad. developers makes the apps n games for all generations. none hardly take advantage. so Android version of the same games end up looking better on Prime. more visual effects, details, etc.. not our fault apple or its developers too dumb not to optimize at least some apps for newer processors ipad2 and new Ipad has.
-no way to play another opponent over local wifi network like Android. on apple you can only play online. no local network playing support.
-apple has to use iTunes to transfer media, movies, make backup,etc...android can do all of thieving device itself.
I own both devices. for me, the negatives outweigh ipads positive. Ipad a straight up consumption device. Android is more productive and do things apple can only dream of out the box or jailbroken. Ipad gets no love here. This Android country. Prime territory. so if you expect people to give you props for your new Ipad, you are mistaken. now that you have Ipad, you might as well join ipadforums and forget about xda. there is no support or help here for apple products. any talk of apple or ipads will always be greeted with beef up here. no way around it. xda not for Ipad users. might as well ditch your android phone also and get an iPhone. so you can become a full blown apple fanboy..lmfao.
As you see Ipad/IOS has a very long list of negatives that I wasn't even done with yet. My negatives for ipad is far numerous than your positive points. i could've easily doubled that negatives list in size if i felt like continuing to list negatives. plus your comparison wasn't unbiased or even attempted to be. so expect the heat to come and thread probably shut down eventually. the ones like this always do. Mass effect coming also to android and will be tegra3 optimized. meaning we will have better looking and playing version. just like shadowgun and Riptide.
you already made a similar thread before n got flamed. this one will be no different. why not just go in peace and live in ipadlandforums..lol you only bringing the heat to yourself and coming off as trolling. even if you don't mean to be. honestly no one hear cares about Ipad. so its a failed mission on apple propaganda.
There's nothing wrong with you preceding IOS or Ipad over Android and prime. The problem is when you come into an Android/Prime dedicated forum and spew Ipad/Apple propaganda. Do you expect us to be like OK, he is right, Android and Prime does suck. now I want an Ipad..lol.
don't take the apple fanboy comment personal. comes with the territory. I am a fan of great products also. So based on my list of negatives for Ipad/IOS, I'd say I made a great decision sticking with Android and Prime. Me and alot of others don't easily fall for the me 2 hype. Ipad is a great device and the graphics are killer. For me though, Prime and Android is more well rounded. ill take far superior CPU and computational power anyday over just a focus in graphics. Life is not all about games you know.
Wow demandarin, must feel good getting that of your chest ;-)
Agree with your points though..
I don't get the point about the Apps.
I'm using right now OverSkreen - and this is a killer app. It changed the way i can use my Prime while browsing. Watching a stream in one and browsing in another window? That's magic.
I can use vPlayer and let the video play in the background. Download stuff? Access my NAS without hacks and tricks? Watching every Video (besides 10bit) on this planet? Hey, i can even watch a straight blu-ray rip with DicePlayer.
I don't need Millions of apps. Give me Apps which are awesome and gamechanging. Who cares about "garage band"? I think people will be blast when they see that Android user can use the inet in a PC-style.
In reply to xgary..... i own both an ipad 2 and TFP. Sorry i dont have an ipad3 yet but have read many official reviews that its a tiny bit faster than ipad2, sharper, better camera/video capture, and high resolution. In my opinion, I dont see the point of very high resolution on a small 9` inch screen. A 1080x720 would be plenty enough. A resolution like the ipad3 belongs on a 60` hdtv screen , not on a small screen. Seems like a marketing strategy by apple that serves no real purpose. The cpu is a modded a5 or core2 duo to accomodate the quadcore graphic chip.
Ipad3 beats tfp in the graphics department, but tfp definitly beats ipad3 in the cpu performance. Dont believe me.... go read about the benchmark. Xgary you should really try rooting your tfp and flash the rom to virtuous prime . I just did it yesterday and can honestly say what a big improvementt with the browsing experience and swiping between pages. The webpages are opening up much faster, more responsive, and feels a lot smoother. I played with tfp tablet for a total of 7 hours today to make sure i wasnt dreaming. Xda developers did an awesome job and they werent lieing when they said the rom will maker your tablet run faster and smoother.
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I really cant see any reason why you would want an Android tablet over the iPad.
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Mmmh i see many many hehe
What about general functionality? smoothness and beauty are nice to have features to maximize the user experience but functionality is the must-have base ... I don´t own an Ipad, only read articles about it and look some review and test videos to build my own opinion. If i then compare this information with this thread, 2 totally different images of the same product can be seen.
I mean sure there are lots of high-quality tablet apps and games for iOS and everything is very smooth, but to be honest, thats the only really positive thing about the new Ipad. I saw several reviews showing crashes of system apps, for example app store, game center and so one ... There are retina games available, which seems to cause heat problems and frame dropping after playing this ones for longer times ... In general there is an unbiased study available, that iOS apps crashes more often then Android apps.
One big task a tablet should be able to offer in perfection and mostly unindependant is browsing the web, in my opinion, a tablet should be able to raplace a desktop pc in matter of browsing! While Android tablets offer flash support, good working html5 and javascript, the new ipad is far away from that. No flash at all and many bugs in html5 and java script, for example try to post a comment on the youtube website in desktop view so html5 is used. it will be impossible, it will be impossible to do anything on the site, buttons are only place holders lol while the iOS youtube app is very ****ty compared to ICS one ... (as intended from google ...) For me a multimedia tablet really is useless if i only can work with some parts of the web ...
the ipad misses a stand-alone concept in general, that starts with the fact that you are not able to use your new Ipad without having a PC with itunes to activate that ...
You also underrated the port-topic regarding to the new Ipad. If i read all the opinions it seems that gaming is a really huge topic if it comes to iOS, so the lack of generic usb host feature that allows to connect input methods to controle the amazingly-looking games is a big FAIL, epic graphic engine is useless if the games must be controlled with emulated touch controls ... in most cases ...
Then there is that huge amount of limitation on iOS, if i get it right i´m even not able to use a .zip attachement received by mail (in the build in email app), thats just absurd, same with the fact that i would not be able to free copy and paste text between several apps, for me that are real must-have features to be able to do some work on that things ...
Then the form factor, funny idea of apple to choose a format which is not able to play 95% of the multimedia content for which it is build for in native aspect ratio (without black bars).
Then the usual standards that could be expected in multimedia tablets, like generic hdmi and the ability to just clone the screen, again try it with your ipad that way ...
And i really could continue, pls don´t get me wrong, i don´t say that iPad is a bad product, but in my opinion it is not "more perfect" than an android tablet and in my situation, the disadvantages of an Abdroid tablet(like a milisecond of lag every 30 minutes, or that i have to wait until 100+ hd games are available for android tablets and so one) are much more compensatable than the major feature lack of iOS ...
I'm just curious to why these posts keep popping up? I guess I just thought anyone on a developer forum would already know what ios has to offer. I mean for me yes, apple makes pretty nice hardware but I cant stand ios. Also I find it funny that everyone claims no bias when there clearly is bias one way or another, and yes I read the edit. These apple posts need to die. I almost miss all the *****ing, at least that was relevant to the product people own. Maybe I'm just confused on what this thread is trying to accomplish.
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I'm just curious to why these posts keep popping up? I guess I just thought anyone on a developer forum would already know what ios has to offer. I mean for me yes, apple makes pretty nice hardware but I cant stand ios. Also I find it funny that everyone claims no bias when there clearly is bias one way or another, and yes I read the edit. These apple posts need to die. I almost miss all the *****ing, at least that was relevant to the product people own. Maybe I'm just confused on what this thread is trying to accomplish.
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Possible competitor paid advertisor here to troll.
Aka. Professional trolls
If anyone hasn't heard, apparently the iPad 3 may have some serious overheating issues. It's on many sites this morning, and the Apple Forums are full of complaints.
xGary said:
Smoothness
The iPad is really smooth as butter. While the TFP boasts all the hardware, I always had little lags here and there (scrolling in browser, reading large PDFs, moving between apps, etc). Again, there is no point in me telling you. Go to a store and try out the iPad. Almost never had any lag or stutters.
Sad to say but Android tablets aren't even close to what iOS tablets have to offer. I really cant see any reason why you would want an Android tablet over the iPad.
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Actually I didn't want to waste any time on answering, since I wasted enough reading the post already...
But in relation to the Smoothness this sounds interesting:
http://gizmodo.com/5893970/ipad-test-notes-speed-versus-tegra-3
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The iPad with its A5X chip scored a very respectable 757. Then the Transformer Prime pretty much curb-stomped it, scoring 1438. That means it performed complex calculations almost twice as fast as the iPad and quite a bit faster than a G5, too! This translates into fast day-to-day use, opening apps, and within apps and games. Visuals will be smoother on the iPad, but in most cases, it won't be faster.
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This. Plus 1.
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sontin said:
I don't get the point about the Apps.
I'm using right now OverSkreen - and this is a killer app. It changed the way i can use my Prime while browsing. Watching a stream in one and browsing in another window? That's magic.
I can use vPlayer and let the video play in the background. Download stuff? Access my NAS without hacks and tricks? Watching every Video (besides 10bit) on this planet? Hey, i can even watch a straight blu-ray rip with DicePlayer.
I don't need Millions of apps. Give me Apps which are awesome and gamechanging. Who cares about "garage band"? I think people will be blast when they see that Android user can use the inet in a PC-style.
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Depends. I don't need millions of apps either. but find me Android apps that are as good as Notability for note taking, Safari for browsing, iBooks for PDFs, Flipbook for news, Tweetbot for Twitter, etc. Then what about all the good games that are almost always available on iOS first? All the game loft games (I didn't have to beg game loft to support my iPad like we had to for TFP , mass effect, Fruit ninja online, Infinity blade, Temple Run (I waited for months for them to release on android) ZombieVille 2.
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In reply to xgary..... i own both an ipad 2 and TFP. Sorry i dont have an ipad3 yet but have read many official reviews that its a tiny bit faster than ipad2, sharper, better camera/video capture, and high resolution. In my opinion, I dont see the point of very high resolution on a small 9` inch screen. A 1080x720 would be plenty enough. A resolution like the ipad3 belongs on a 60` hdtv screen , not on a small screen. Seems like a marketing strategy by apple that serves no real purpose. The cpu is a modded a5 or core2 duo to accomodate the quadcore graphic chip.
Ipad3 beats tfp in the graphics department, but tfp definitly beats ipad3 in the cpu performance. Dont believe me.... go read about the benchmark. Xgary you should really try rooting your tfp and flash the rom to virtuous prime . I just did it yesterday and can honestly say what a big improvementt with the browsing experience and swiping between pages. The webpages are opening up much faster, more responsive, and feels a lot smoother. I played with tfp tablet for a total of 7 hours today to make sure i wasnt dreaming. Xda developers did an awesome job and they werent lieing when they said the rom will maker your tablet run faster and smoother.
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Lol benchmarks again. I always looked at benchmarks too. Then I played with an iPad and switched over right away. You know, the reviewers don't all praise the iPad because theyre fanboys, it actually is the leader. Besides, I doubt the custom rom runs as fast as my iPad but let's say it does. Why do I have to void my warranty and then have to flash a rom to get a smooth device?
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Coming from someone with 80 posts. Are you paid by ASUS to defend their product? I'm sure they invested all this time into me posing as a fake xda member and posting for years and on the TFP forums way before it was even out so that one day I could bash the product. Yep, Apple is genius. They also pay every single reviewer, iPad user in the world. That is why they praise the product, not because it is good.
chrihuc said:
Actually I didn't want to waste any time on answering, since I wasted enough reading the post already...
But in relation to the Smoothness this sounds interesting:
http://gizmodo.com/5893970/ipad-test-notes-speed-versus-tegra-3
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And I care about benchmarks because? I wish I had my TFP with me so I could show you how I get little lags here and there and how reading my 1000 page PDF textbooks lag everytime I scroll to the next page even tho I tried adobepdf, ezpdf, and repligo.
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If anyone hasn't heard, apparently the iPad 3 may have some serious overheating issues. It's on many sites this morning, and the Apple Forums are full of complaints.
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I don't think they are as "full" of complaints as the TFP did with Bluetooth, wifi, gps, screen problems, etc. The iPad has a huge userbase so it is expected to see complaints. But guess what? Got a problem with your iPad? Go to an apple store and they will give you a new one. What about TFP? RMA and wait a few weeks.
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I don't think they are as "full" of complaints as the TFP did with Bluetooth, wifi, gps, screen problems, etc. The iPad has a huge userbase so it is expected to see complaints. But guess what? Got a problem with your iPad? Go to an apple store and they will give you a new one. What about TFP? RMA and get an email saying it was damaged by the user and you can pay $150 if you want it back damaged.
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bluewr said:
You might want to do a bit more reading into the MikaMobile situation.
It's not they aren't making money on Google market/play, nor is it porting or various hardware problem in later interview with the dev.
http://androidandme.com/2012/03/app...figures-in-their-first-six-months-on-android/
And there are successful game dev that focus solely on Android platform.
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Yea name me some. i have all of the Gameloft games, Infinity blade (how is your bladeslinger or whatever, newest Angry bird, fruit ninja, temple run, a ton of ea games. Name me some good games on android that I can get on iOS.
I personally have and love my Prime, my dad has always been an iPad user. He bought the newest on launch day, and I spent a bit of time comparing them. The iPad is a great device, but not for everyone. Both are smooth, both work, both have great screens. But, the iPad is...extremely basic in its layout. No widgets, no customization past wallpapers. The Prime has tons of customizability, of course. Apps are another story. Sure, the iPad has great app support, aside from every app not specifically designed looking horribly streched. Realistically though, most apps do have a nice iPad version. The Prime does a great job upscaling apps without a tablet version - that said, the Play Store doesn't have quite as big a selection, even though nearly everything you can think of is present. On the subject of stores, if you don't plan on spending money consistently on apps, the Prime is the best choice. Take for example, iGun Zombie, a game on both the Play and App Stores. Both are exactly the same, though while the App Store sells it for $.99, it is free and ad-supported on the Play Store. This is something to keep in mind if you aren't willing to pay for every app.
As for build quality, both are great. The new iPad is just a bit thicker and heavier. Both screens are great. With the iPad, the "retina" display (which is actually just a term they use for the resolution, it's not special display technology, just Samsung packing in extra pixels) is very nice, but not such a big improvement from the Prime. Both compete well. The cameras are both very good, but obviously not as handy as a more compact shooter. Touch response is very good altogether. Sound quality is acceptable, both took the one-speaker approach - and it shows. Both feel alright in the hand, cases help though.
The most important thing in the end, is just the experience. If you enjoy customizability, the Prime is for you. If you like smooth, straight-forward and easy to use software, the new iPad is a great choice. Preference, preference, preference! Anyone who stumbles across this, stop researching and go to Best Buy. Play with both. Whatever feels nicer to you is the winner.
I'm not going to bother comparing accessories past this, because that has little to do with the devices' performance and experience as tabs. If you are a case-whore, the iPad always wins. For functionality, the Prime's keyboard is a wonder.
I just did a similar thread on this here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1558951
I have never owned an Ipad and was walking through walmart yesterday and saw they had the new ones, which surprised me. It was the last one only 16GB so I figured I would at least give it a try. If I don't like it I will take it back, so far the screen is nice but for what I do it doesn't look that much nicer than the Primes screen just my opinion. Its better but not by that much, I don't sit and zoom in and out on every little detail while browsing or whatever and the prime zoom is fine, I think so anyways. I think its kinda an overkill but it does look nice. I didn't see much difference while just on YouTube and general web browsing. Its simple to use it has quite a few nice apps for free, they take a long time to download. I just can't control it like I want to, once the Ipad is unlocked Cidea(SP?) or whatever they call it, can you do overclocking and all that? Custom Kernel? I know you cant change its basic layout but I don't know a lot about the IPAD yet. Whats the benefits of a jail broken IPad?
I think the games are on par I ran a test with a game that is not Tegra optimized for comparison, looked about the same to me. I don't know where IPAD got 5x better graphics maybe on a game they developed? Anyways all that's in the link I got up top.
I'm really glad someone made a IPAD comparison thread.
Thank you.
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I'm really glad someone made a IPAD comparison thread.
Thank you.
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IKR......lol
Sounds more like an android vs ios post. I made those conclusions when my original mytouch ran 1.5.
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A question: can one of you folks (or more than one) who have both compare text in the Nook and Kindle reader apps, side-by-side? How much difference does the iPad's screen make in text quality for ebook reading? And, at close-to-print font sizes (for me, that's toward the smaller side of the font size options on both apps).
Thanks!
As someone who owns both a Prime and the new iPad here are my thoughts.
The prime is great with the keyboard dock. I love using it to sit in IRC with or chat with friends. I like the layout and customizability of the home screens.
The iPad is great for web browsing. I find safari far smoother than my prime and general usability of the zoom and gestures to make it faster to navigate around on than the prime.
Both are great devices, each have their ups and downs, though personally I think Asus could have done a far better job. My iPad doesn't reboot every hour or so or lock up.
On a side note about everyone complaining about how the new iPad isn't faster than the iPad 2. I'm going to break it down for those who need it simple. The new iPad is an iPad 2 with an upgraded screen, GPU, and LTE. That is all. There may be more ram for running programs but that's it. Others have said it has a larger battery which is true, however that larger battery doesn't last any longer than the iPad 2's smaller battery did. Sadly, the new iPad is still faster than the prime.
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Overskeen! How do you like it? I bought it but I hardly use it and it crashes when I try to do full screen watching umm...beauty n the beast with an R
johnnycsx said:
I personally have and love my Prime, my dad has always been an iPad user. He bought the newest on launch day, and I spent a bit of time comparing them. The iPad is a great device, but not for everyone. Both are smooth, both work, both have great screens. But, the iPad is...extremely basic in its layout. No widgets, no customization past wallpapers. The Prime has tons of customizability, of course. Apps are another story. Sure, the iPad has great app support, aside from every app not specifically designed looking horribly streched. Realistically though, most apps do have a nice iPad version. The Prime does a great job upscaling apps without a tablet version - that said, the Play Store doesn't have quite as big a selection, even though nearly everything you can think of is present. On the subject of stores, if you don't plan on spending money consistently on apps, the Prime is the best choice. Take for example, iGun Zombie, a game on both the Play and App Stores. Both are exactly the same, though while the App Store sells it for $.99, it is free and ad-supported on the Play Store. This is something to keep in mind if you aren't willing to pay for every app.
As for build quality, both are great. The new iPad is just a bit thicker and heavier. Both screens are great. With the iPad, the "retina" display (which is actually just a term they use for the resolution, it's not special display technology, just Samsung packing in extra pixels) is very nice, but not such a big improvement from the Prime. Both compete well. The cameras are both very good, but obviously not as handy as a more compact shooter. Touch response is very good altogether. Sound quality is acceptable, both took the one-speaker approach - and it shows. Both feel alright in the hand, cases help though.
The most important thing in the end, is just the experience. If you enjoy customizability, the Prime is for you. If you like smooth, straight-forward and easy to use software, the new iPad is a great choice. Preference, preference, preference! Anyone who stumbles across this, stop researching and go to Best Buy. Play with both. Whatever feels nicer to you is the winner.
I'm not going to bother comparing accessories past this, because that has little to do with the devices' performance and experience as tabs. If you are a case-whore, the iPad always wins. For functionality, the Prime's keyboard is a wonder.
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All I want to do is slap Android on the iPad3 and I'll love it.
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Overskeen! How do you like it? I bought it but I hardly use it and it crashes when I try to do full screen watching umm...beauty n the beast with an R
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it works great. have you made sure to keep it updated? I can use fullscreen on it with no problems. plays flash video flawlessly also. I believe I had made it fullscreen in portrait mode to take that screenshot. but fullscreen doesn't crash on mines.
I was in Nebraska Funiture last night looking at the prime, and since there is an Apple store near I went and looked at the new ipad. I looked at the ipad 2, new ipad and the prime, and honestly I cant tell the difference between any of them screen wise. Unless my "retinas" are broke (and they could be) if there is a difference it's not drastic. I was told the new ipad had more pixels than my plasma, so I went in thinking it would look better than my plasma, it didn't. I didn't see anything about any of the devices screen that "stopped me in my tracks" They all looked good though. With that said, I just sold my transformer and soon as my funds clear ebay I'll be getting the prime.
I'd love my prime a lot more if it didn't lockup or reboot so much. My iPad doesn't have this problem. Neither does my Galaxy Note. Even though I love the prime, the problems it has, if you have them is a major downfall.
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I'd love my prime a lot more if it didn't lockup or reboot so much. My iPad doesn't have this problem. Neither does my Galaxy Note. Even though I love the prime, the problems it has, if you have them is a major downfall.
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What kind of lockups are you getting? I just got a Prime the other day it updated twice right away and was fine. I then rooted and unlocked it, then flash over clock kernel to 1.7. Been Gaming 9 mm, Shadow Gun THD, and more. Also Splashtop THD works great. I use xScope Browser for web browsing set as desktop and works as nice as my laptop.
Oh, my Gosh! This is so awesome! Thank you so much for this comparison! Tonight, for once, I can sleep soundly. I have been worried so much about the iPad and how it compares to my Prime. Yes!
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johnnycsx said:
- I personally have and love my Prime, my dad has always been an iPad user.
- The iPad is a great device, but not for everyone.
- iPad is...extremely basic in its layout. No widgets, no customization past wallpapers.
- The Prime has tons of customizability, of course.
- Sure, the iPad has great app support, aside from every app not specifically designed looking horribly streched. Realistically though, most apps do have a nice iPad version. The Prime does a great job upscaling apps without a tablet version
- The Play Store doesn't have quite as big a selection, even though nearly everything you can think of is present.
- if you don't plan on spending money consistently on apps, the Prime is the best choice. Take for example, iGun Zombie, a game on both the Play and App Stores. Both are exactly the same, though while the App Store sells it for $.99, it is free and ad-supported on the Play Store. This is something to keep in mind if you aren't willing to pay for every app.
- The new iPad is just a bit thicker and heavier. Both screens are great. With the iPad, the "retina" display (which is actually just a term they use for the resolution, it's not special display technology, just Samsung packing in extra pixels) is very nice, but not such a big improvement from the Prime.
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Cant really have an impartial comparison when you start of by saying you have and love your prime. You didnt really say anything negative about the prime and the pros you had with the ipad you later say its only a minimal advantage to the prime.
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bl117 said:
There may be more ram for running programs but that's it.
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Actually, there's probably comparatively little of that extra RAM available for running programs. A large proportion of it will be taken up by the frame buffer which will be 4 times larger than on the ipad 2.
Also, when you start getting apps with resources optimised for the iPad 3, those resources will also be much larger, and consume more memory when used.
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wynand32 said:
A question: can one of you folks (or more than one) who have both compare text in the Nook and Kindle reader apps, side-by-side? How much difference does the iPad's screen make in text quality for ebook reading? And, at close-to-print font sizes (for me, that's toward the smaller side of the font size options on both apps).
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The text quality of the iPad 3 is off the charts, whatever else you do or don't like about it. It's the best reading screen I've ever seen. There is zero pixelation, it's incredibly nice on the eyes. The Prime has a good screen but there is no comparison for text. I don't use the Nook app but I use Kindle on both, it's a retina upgraded app, the text quality is as near perfect as I've seen on an electronic device. Font size is adjustable and great, is there a specific function you want compared? I could throw Nook on them if there's something specific you need to know. Even the Google Book reader has gotten very nice, I'd say the iPad has much better reading apps (surprise) except I love the calibre catalog app on Android. You can recreate it with Stanza on ios but it's not as good.
We already have plenty of these threads - go post in there.
I've owned my Prime since end of December 2011. My boss recently requested Ipad3's for all employees. Got mine yesterday, and here's what I see:
I couldn't go more than 10 minutes with the Ipad3, before I said enough is enough-
Just looking at the boring rows of icon Grids was just aweful. The New Retina Display was not as bright as my coworkers last gen Ipad2. IPAD2 screen looked brighter and had a better tint. IPAD3 looked Yellow and less bright. High res screen on IPAD3 looked no different than the Transformer Primes.... Prime actually looked better and brighter, especially when IPS mode was turned on ... NO comparison at all. IOS 5 is nothing special to me at all- lacks so much functionality when compared to Android- Sure, its a little smoother when browsing the web, but using this thing for any extended time was like someone cutting off both of my legs.
Then, It also hit me... NO access to the filesystem on the IPAD3.... just good for launching Apps that you pay 3 times as much for in the App store.
I will stick with ANDROID and ICS. Why do corporation's get sucked into all the false iPAD hype is beyond me. I really hope Google does not screw this up. We need more and better Android tablets on the Market to continue on what Asus has done with the Prime.
I never really appreciated my Prime as much until today- What an Eye opener this was for me.
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... but using this thing for any extended time was like someone cutting off both of my legs.
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I had a good laugh. Thanks.
Google has done their work, ICS is a great OS for tablets and phones. Only thing I wish they would do is release source earlier so other OEMs can get it out quicker. Corporations get sucked into the iPad because its all the hype in the news about being the future of computing. Its also easy to use for novices who don't want/need the features of Android, they just want apps.
I'm with you, I have a hard time considering something a computer type device without a browse-able file system. Not sure what is out there for iOS, but Android has some great File Explorers that let you into the full file system, granted system folders are read only without root. But its better than nothing. I use file explorers heavily on any OS.
The new display on the iPad must be nice though pixel wise. We will probably see Android tablets with the same or better resolution soon. I would like to see a 1920x1080 Android tablet with HDMI out. Slightly lower than the iPad 3's resolution but its 16:9 and would have true 1080p via HDMI. Perfect mirroring instead of the up converting that devices do now via HDMI.
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Google has done their work, ICS is a great OS for tablets and phones. Only thing I wish they would do is release source earlier so other OEMs can get it out quicker. Corporations get sucked into the iPad because its all the hype in the news about being the future of computing. Its also easy to use for novices who don't want/need the features of Android, they just want apps.
I'm with you, I have a hard time considering something a computer type device without a browse-able file system. Not sure what is out there for iOS, but Android has some great File Explorers that let you into the full file system, granted system folders are read only without root. But its better than nothing. I use file explorers heavily on any OS.
The new display on the iPad must be nice though pixel wise. We will probably see Android tablets with the same or better resolution soon. I would like to see a 1920x1080 Android tablet with HDMI out. Slightly lower than the iPad 3's resolution but its 16:9 and would have true 1080p via HDMI. Perfect mirroring instead of the up converting that devices do now via HDMI.
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You are describing the new Asus Infinity pad tablet aka Tf-700t. It has all those things you listed. Hopefully be out by end of June. Could be earlier. More than likely later. We'll have to see if Asus surprises consumers.
I have both and love them both. The Prime is more fun (as is my little A100). Theirs some neat stuff you can do with an iPad. If you take 4 fingers and swipe across the screen you'll switch to a different app, very cool. Also if your on the home screen if you swipe up with all four fingers you see what's running along the bottom. Once in an App if you place five fingers on the screen and bring your fingertips together, you close the App. My previous Apple Device is an iPod Touch 4th Gen, and it doesn't do these thing. I still prefer the Prime because of how flexible Android is and the customizations that can be done with it. Also a ton of games look better on the Prime vs the iPad3. Riptide, Dungeon Defenders, Shadowgun, Zen Pinball, all look better on the Prime than the iPad3. Bear in mind, they look a LOT sharper than on the Prime, but the extra lighting and shading afforded by the Geforce on the Prime vs the PowerVR Chip on the iPad3, make these games look better overall on the Prime. I can only imagine how epic the Infinity will look. In reality the Resolution between the Infinity and iPad3 isn't that huge. 1920x1200 vs 2048x1536, oooooh 128 more pixels going left and right and 336 going up and down. From a normal viewing distance you WON'T be able to tell a difference, hell sticking your nose against the screen you won't tell the difference.
Wow are you serious 2 exact threads... And some people never knew they were different. hehe..
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We have plenty of these threads already - go post in there - no need to clutter up by creating yet another thread