scroll down to see my post with updated pics with the new tricks!!
so one thing i noticed is that the camera doesn't light up the flash to focus when you have the flash on like most other phones do (the S3 is one)
this makes low light shots 10x worse on the DNA than the S3 for example. If there was a way to make the camera flash while focusing so it can actually get that thing in focus in the dark, then i believe low light pictures would come out much better.
i've tried Camera JB+ but it's the same as the stock...wonder if theres a cmaera app out there that uses the flash while focusing? any thoughts?
here's two pics:
http://imgur.com/a/Bb5ju
the first is the S3. the second is the DNA. since when you focus with the S3, the flash comes on, it was easily able to focus and get a better shot. on the DNA, it was blindly focusing on whatever, despite the fact the screen was black since there was no light in the room.
you can also notice how soft the DNA seems...which is the post-processing "auto enhance" crap that HTC forced us to use on this camera. on my Rezound, i always turned that off because it looked awful, and now they're not giving us a chance to.
I'm very interested in the answer to this, as I think that low-light shots with flash are absolute garbage on the DNA. I love everything about the phone except for that. I think even my old Blunderbolt did better.
earthrocker said:
so one thing i noticed is that the camera doesn't light up the flash to focus when you have the flash on like most other phones do (the S3 is one)
this makes low light shots 10x worse on the DNA than the S3 for example. If there was a way to make the camera flash while focusing so it can actually get that thing in focus in the dark, then i believe low light pictures would come out much better.
i've tried Camera JB+ but it's the same as the stock...wonder if theres a cmaera app out there that uses the flash while focusing? any thoughts?
here's two pics:
http://imgur.com/a/Bb5ju
the first is the S3. the second is the DNA. since when you focus with the S3, the flash comes on, it was easily able to focus and get a better shot. on the DNA, it was blindly focusing on whatever, despite the fact the screen was black since there was no light in the room.
you can also notice how soft the DNA seems...which is the post-processing "auto enhance" crap that HTC forced us to use on this camera. on my Rezound, i always turned that off because it looked awful, and now they're not giving us a chance to.
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odesskiy said:
I'm very interested in the answer to this, as I think that low-light shots with flash are absolute garbage on the DNA. I love everything about the phone except for that. I think even my old Blunderbolt did better.
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the big problem here is Auto ISO. do me a favor, turn the ISO to 200, and then try to take a low-light photo with flash. It may be very hard to focus on exactly where you want, but i guarantee there will be MUCH less noise. the ISO over-compensates, and at auto, its very grainy. i took pitch black shots last night at iso 200 and 400 with flash on, and to my surprise there wasn't much noise.
also, turn your sharpness up +1. this helps compensate for HTC's built in auto-enhance, which tends to "blur" the background out to try to get rid of noise..the rezound had this too, and i always had it off because it looks terrible. unfortunately, on the DNA, you can't turn it off yet.
I know it's not the solution you were looking for, but on my Rezound if I were taking very low light shots I'd turn on my flashlight app first, so the flash would be on permanently. The phone would then both focus with and take the photo with the flash on.
Until such time as a solution is found, feel free to try my hassle of a work-around haha
xxfallacyxx said:
I know it's not the solution you were looking for, but on my Rezound if I were taking very low light shots I'd turn on my flashlight app first, so the flash would be on permanently. The phone would then both focus with and take the photo with the flash on.
Until such time as a solution is found, feel free to try my hassle of a work-around haha
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hey thanks for the tip! what app did you use to do it? that would be great, but unfortunately, the flashlight shuts off the second i enter the camera app :\
It might just be part of the ROM I'm on, but I use the flashlight toggle from the quick-settings pull down menu. If that's the case, then I apologize for getting your hopes up haha.
ahh dang! yeah, tiny flashlihgt doesn't let me keep it on when going into the camera app
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the big problem here is Auto ISO. do me a favor, turn the ISO to 200, and then try to take a low-light photo with flash. It may be very hard to focus on exactly where you want, but i guarantee there will be MUCH less noise. the ISO over-compensates, and at auto, its very grainy. i took pitch black shots last night at iso 200 and 400 with flash on, and to my surprise there wasn't much noise.
also, turn your sharpness up +1. this helps compensate for HTC's built in auto-enhance, which tends to "blur" the background out to try to get rid of noise..the rezound had this too, and i always had it off because it looks terrible. unfortunately, on the DNA, you can't turn it off yet.
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and change white balance to flourescent, this will make photo not yellowish.
Sweet! I'm gonna try this tonight at home. I've been trying to take pictures of my Xmas tree, which is really beautiful and photos were coming out horrid. Too bad you can't save all these settings to some sort of a preset to be enabled quickly for low-light shots
guys, I've figured out the secret to low light shots! the pic I took looks identical to the gs3 now, from what I can tell on my dna. check it out!
set your iso to 200...always use 200 for least noise possible. put sharpness up + 1. then, the secret here, jack exposure up ALL THE WAY! bam! great night shots with flash that even focus decently too. your screen will be black bevsuseThe iso is so low, but take the pic and you'll see!
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Holy crap! That totally worked! Much, much better results! Now we need some sort of a settings switcher for the camera
Check the contrast
Hey all, this is my first post and I know that I'm a noob - glad I got that out of the way.
As I read these posts and looked at the settings on my DNA, I found that by defult HTC sets their contrast WAY too high - it actually makes the pictures look darker. So I suggest that you play around with the contrast. I lowered it all the way down and my scenes look brighter and cleaner.
Yes, ISO 200 and 400 work best. Also, if you want to make your images looks 'artsy,' the camera app has built in filters.
Well, that's all I have for you all.
Later.
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Hey all, this is my first post and I know that I'm a noob - glad I got that out of the way.
As I read these posts and looked at the settings on my DNA, I found that by defult HTC sets their contrast WAY too high - it actually makes the pictures look darker. So I suggest that you play around with the contrast. I lowered it all the way down and my scenes look brighter and cleaner.
Yes, ISO 200 and 400 work best. Also, if you want to make your images looks 'artsy,' the camera app has built in filters.
Well, that's all I have for you all.
Later.
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hey, thanks for the contribution! i'm going to give the contrast a shot now. i never really played that much around with that, just ISO and exposure. thanks!
ok so here's a small contrast comparison:
the first picture is contrast -1
the second picture is stock contrast
which looks better to you?
http://imgur.com/a/Jjplk
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ok so here's a small contrast comparison:
the first picture is contrast -1
the second picture is stock contrast
which looks better to you?
http://imgur.com/a/Jjplk
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tonight i'm going to try some night shots again, wtih the same liquor cabinet pic, but make the contrast -1 and -2 and throw them up here.
Great thread and info guys. Always looking to make phone camera pics the best possible...
Some of my own tests
Hey, I like the first image: the one that has stock contrast.
I will also be making some tests, I will post them soon.
HDR is also a great option under well lit conditions. It will give the the greatest range.
xeroatticus said:
Hey, I like the first image: the one that has stock contrast.
I will also be making some tests, I will post them soon.
HDR is also a great option under well lit conditions. It will give the the greatest range.
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to be honest, i never really knew what HDR meant or did lol sometimes it looks great, soemtimes terrible
xeroatticus said:
Hey, I like the first image: the one that has stock contrast.
I will also be making some tests, I will post them soon.
HDR is also a great option under well lit conditions. It will give the the greatest range.
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btw the first pic is the -1 contrast..second is stock..
Very interesting thread!
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Seems like the camera by default oversaturates everyting!
I found this on the Sprint community forums[/URL] so I thought I would share it as it made my pictures look a lot better
ACHAN18 said:
Camera>options>image adjustment> saturation>-1. that should fix the redness
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I don't have a good subject to show you what I mean, so I just took a picture of a picture from my LCD (Google images! Yay!)
Please post your own examples and tell me if you think it makes the pictures look better!
The original Sprint thread: http://community.sprint.com/baw/thread/90509?start=15&tstart=0
If you read that thread people are flipping out over this issue, but -1 Saturation seems to fix it for me
What do you guys think?
[EDIT: I moved the texts boxes as they were backwards! Left pic is -1 saturation; right pic is default! The chunks of the girl's shoulder in the text boxes is inverted!]
Kujila said:
Seems like the camera by default oversaturates everyting!
I found this on the Sprint community forums[/URL] so I thought I would share it as it made my pictures look a lot better
I don't have a good subject to show you what I mean, so I just took a picture of a picture from my LCD (Google images! Yay!)
Please post your own examples and tell me if you think it makes the pictures look better!
The original Sprint thread: http://community.sprint.com/baw/thread/90509?start=15&tstart=0
If you read that thread people are flipping out over this issue, but -1 Saturation seems to fix it for me
What do you guys think?
[EDIT: I moved the texts boxes as they were backwards! Left pic is -1 saturation; right pic is default! The chunks of the girl's shoulder in the text boxes is inverted!]
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Did this morning while I was comparing the pictures with my galaxy nexus, you just need to be careful some pictures will look like crap after this, one thing I hate is taking pics in the dark with this phone it doesn't focus like the nexus pictures look blurry, any suggestions?
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I found that you can actually tap the screen on the subject you want to focus on and the phone will make a sound and focus accordingly to what you tapped...
Did you try that yet?
Thanks
Kujila said:
I found that you can actually tap the screen on the subject you want to focus on and the phone will make a sound and focus accordingly to what you tapped...
Did you try that yet?
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In dark light conditions does work but doesn't turn on flash so is just focusing on the dark which ain't helpfull at all
Try to take over 10 pictures in the dark, and it sucks
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Unlike the galaxy nexus in the first try
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i found that it's better if i make sure the flash is on, rather than auto...
maybe a software fix will be in the works
yeah set flash to ON
also select "Close up" instead of automatic and then tap the object
The main problem is that the display is oversaturated. Washing out the pictures you take won't help the display problem.
PS: That thread is about the display saturation, not the camera saturation. There are a couple of camera posts in it, but they are off-base.
I just shot some test images of an X-Rite Digital Color Checker SG reference target.
I shot with 5500K lights and with just the camera's flash, with normal saturation and with the saturation turned down one click. I let the camera use automatic color balance, as there is no setting for my 5500K lights.
I then opened the images in PhotoShop 6 and took readings off the various color and grayscale patches.
With the saturation set normally, the images were slightly oversaturated, but not bad. The gray scales were very good on the whites, but as you get darker, they have a lot of green fall-off.
I think the camera shoots well enough. The green fall-off may be partly due to the automatic white balance trying to cope with my 5500K lights, but is is visible in the flash images too. It's not bad.
Taking one click of saturation out definitely ruins the images. It's far too much. If you could take out a tenth of a click, it would be pretty close to perfect.
Unreasnbl said:
The main problem is that the display is oversaturated. Washing out the pictures you take won't help the display problem.
PS: That thread is about the display saturation, not the camera saturation. There are a couple of camera posts in it, but they are off-base.
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I havn't noticed any oversaturation of this display. The only place I notice it is in the camera app.
Lol its a cell phone camera not a Canon 7D. I really think alot of people are starting to expect way too much from cell phone cameras lol.
SPreston2001 said:
Lol its a cell phone camera not a Canon 7D. I really think alot of people are starting to expect way too much from cell phone cameras lol.
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As I said above, I have tested the camera and it is fine. It's the best cell phone camera I have ever used or tested.
The display is not fine, but people keep confusing the display problem with a camera problem.
Since the OP quoted and referenced a display problem thread in this camera thread, I thought I would try to clear things up. The advice quoted by the OP is bad advice.
So again ... the camera is fine. Don't try to "fix" what's not broken.
IMO it's not the camera that saturates the pics it's the screen. When I tranfer my pictures on to my mac they look fine. If you browse pictures on Facebook with the phone you get the same oversaturation of color. Somene should work on a fix for the screen not the camera.
Unreasnbl said:
As I said above, I have tested the camera and it is fine. It's the best cell phone camera I have ever used or tested.
The display is not fine, but people keep confusing the display problem with a camera problem.
Since the OP quoted and referenced a display problem thread in this camera thread, I thought I would try to clear things up. The advice quoted by the OP is bad advice.
So again ... the camera is fine. Don't try to "fix" what's not broken.
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Yeah the display is a bit saturated but overall im satisfied with the display especially the viewing angles!
Unreasnbl said:
I just shot some test images of an X-Rite Digital Color Checker SG reference target.
I shot with 5500K lights and with just the camera's flash, with normal saturation and with the saturation turned down one click. I let the camera use automatic color balance, as there is no setting for my 5500K lights.
I then opened the images in PhotoShop 6 and took readings off the various color and grayscale patches.
With the saturation set normally, the images were slightly oversaturated, but not bad. The gray scales were very good on the whites, but as you get darker, they have a lot of green fall-off.
I think the camera shoots well enough. The green fall-off may be partly due to the automatic white balance trying to cope with my 5500K lights, but is is visible in the flash images too. It's not bad.
Taking one click of saturation out definitely ruins the images. It's far too much. If you could take out a tenth of a click, it would be pretty close to perfect.
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While its obvuious that you know more about photography than I do, I tend to disagree slightly with your statement. When I mms pictures to others with phones including iPhone 4s, ET4G, and NS4G the oversaturation of pink hues is still present. In addition, I believe if this was solely an issue of the screen then this oversaturatuon would be present across the board and not isolated to photographs taken with the on-board camera.
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Yeah, pictures of my hands and arms look all bright pink, even when I view them on my laptop or desktop or tablet. In reality my skin is olive-ish and certainly not bright pink.
I am no expert at screens or photos so I'm really not sure what is going on with the pics.
The display oversaturation is constant, not just when using the camera. Watch some video on it.
The camera is a bit off, as I said above, but I think it's not bad.
Also, I have only tested my phone, I am sure there are some out there that are better and some that are worse.
mlin said:
While its obvuious that you know more about photography than I do, I tend to disagree slightly with your statement. When I mms pictures to others with phones including iPhone 4s, ET4G, and NS4G the oversaturation of pink hues is still present. In addition, I believe if this was solely an issue of the screen then this oversaturatuon would be present across the board and not isolated to photographs taken with the on-board camera.
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hi guys, i took a look around the forum regarding high lvls of noise in the pictures in low light conditions, but mine just seems to be worse! this pic was taken on auto, in a corner of the room. 5.22pm, with the sunlight behind me. this happens in the video too; other videos taken at night(on youtube) that i've seen seem to be almost grain free. should i get a replacement?
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here's a short video taken in the same room http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bCXYfM62Vw&feature=youtu.be
For sure that camera didnt work correct
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I have same thing! Maybe even worst. Picture I just take is with outdoor light thats coming through window.
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Chagrim said:
I have same thing! Maybe even worst. Picture I just take is with outdoor light thats coming through window.
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oh boy that's indeed worse...why do others have such good quality? i wonder if it's hardware =(
here's a shot of the street; this is so frustrating ='(
I think some of you guys expect to much from a mobile phone camera, this is not a DSLR or EOS. The camera makes descent pictures with sufficient lighting but not in the dark or darker twilight condition.
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I think some of you guys expect to much from a mobile phone camera, this is not a DSLR or EOS. The camera makes descent pictures with sufficient lighting but not in the dark or darker twilight condition.
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i scoured the whole forum, and i've seen pics with better quality in worse conditions..and apparently this is due to the firmware version(Z being inferior samsung sensor, G sony). double checked with friends who have good/bad pics and their firmware versions so im pretty sure now. just sent an email to samsung...i'm pretty pissed about this. can this be considered fraud?! same price for inferior products -_-"
SexyIceCream said:
i scoured the whole forum, and i've seen pics with better quality in worse conditions..and apparently this is due to the firmware version(Z being inferior samsung sensor, G sony). double checked with friends who have good/bad pics and their firmware versions so im pretty sure now. just sent an email to samsung...i'm pretty pissed about this. can this be considered fraud?! same price for inferior products -_-"
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Sony has a better camera, especialy with low lighting. The best camera phone is still the N8. No it`s not fraude because you buy a phone as it is, not as you want it to be.
check camera settings.
Try manually selecting a lower iso.. that will reduce the noise, but results in a darker shot or longer shutter speed.
You can't just post a picture without specifying the iso and shutter speed to tell if the camera is taking worse pictures.. especially since every environment is different.
gee2012 said:
I think some of you guys expect to much from a mobile phone camera, this is not a DSLR or EOS. The camera makes descent pictures with sufficient lighting but not in the dark or darker twilight condition.
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Yes that's true! But my HTC ONE S and the oldest GS2 makes better picture than my GS3!
I hope SAMSUNG will fix it...
BlueG2 said:
Try manually selecting a lower iso.. that will reduce the noise, but results in a darker shot or longer shutter speed.
You can't just post a picture without specifying the iso and shutter speed to tell if the camera is taking worse pictures.. especially since every environment is different.
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true that...i'll keep that in mind as i try to take more test shots. but the video should be obivous too, right? since theres no mode or such for the video. other youtube videos i've seen of indoors have close to no noise, but it runs rampant in mine.
P.S. this is a pic i found on another s3 forum, person claims it was taken on auto.
heres my shot of a street, also on auto
you see the difference? =(
Auto contrast off
try it
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P.S. this is a pic i found on another s3 forum, person claims it was taken on auto.
heres my shot of a street, also on auto
you see the difference? =(
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Like I said, Auto doesn't mean anything.. people need to specify the same setting to compare photos. The metering from the camera can easily be thrown off with a bright light or dark area causing the camera to select different ISO/shutter speeds even at the same location. Different camera firmwares between units may also cause for different 'auto' settings. Even using different camera apps can effect the image quality and settings.
I just took a peek at your photo and the file info showed that it was shot at 1600iso. That would explain all the noise and why your image seems 'brighter' than the photo you found as 1600iso is very high (I think highest). I can't even get my camera to shoot below 800iso even in the darkest settings (not that I'd want to). That 800-1600iso jump makes a big impact on image quality.
On the photo you found, the camera info also wasn't available so the picture might even be edited. I'm going to guess however that it was shot at 800iso.. and definitely much less than your 1600.
So I can't say there's anything wrong with your images you provided as I would expect that type of quality on those settings.
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hi guys, i took a look around the forum
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do u have antishake and auto contrast ON? if yes turn them off and when u take a pic u have to be REALLY still, otherwise the pics will be blurry, also u can try taking a pic with HDR mode, it makes a huge difference
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Sony has a better camera, especialy with low lighting. The best camera phone is still the N8. No it`s not fraude because you buy a phone as it is, not as you want it to be.
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Off-topic here: Isn't the new Lumia 808 better at taking pictures than the N8?
On-topic: my SGS3 also takes bad pictures on low light, but I have yet to see anything other than a full-blown camera do otherwise. It does seem to get better with any of the following:
HDR Shooting Mode
Night Scene Mode (slower shutter)
Manually set lower ISO (takes darker pics)
You would have same result if the condition and settings are the same...
Every image will become worst if it has high ISO... Manually lower your ISO and you will have a better image... You may need a better lighting for this... I just dont know if it's possible to control manually the hutter speed of galaxy s3 for low ISO settings?
wicked1683 said:
You would have same result if the condition and settings are the same...
Every image will become worst if it has high ISO... Manually lower your ISO and you will have a better image... You may need a better lighting for this... I just dont know if it's possible to control manually the hutter speed of galaxy s3 for low ISO settings?
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Camera FV-5
will let you control the shutter speed.
But in my exprince the photos arnt that good . i have tried only indoors.
it produce like BW pics.
But then i am no expert in shutter timers and such. but you can try it.
So I was trying to take a picture of my son sleeping on my wife's lap tonight. There was a light on in the bedroom, but it was too dark to take a picture without the flash. I opened the camera app and without adjusting any settings, tried to take several pictures. The flash was set to AUTO and it did activate each time I clicked the shutter button, however the actual picture would not be taken until the flash had already gone off. I tried 4 images with the flash set to AUTO and 4 images with the flash set to ON. Only 3 of the 8 images were actually captured while the flash was still visible. So there is an obvious issue with the timing of the flash and the shutter not being synchronized.
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In addition, the image quality is really bad. The pictures all seem to have been run through some sort of photoshop filter that makes the image look like a watercolor or something.
All 8 images can be viewed here: http://imgur.com/a/lDIrg
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So I was trying to take a picture of my son sleeping on my wife's lap tonight. There was a light on in the bedroom, but it was too dark to take a picture without the flash. I opened the camera app and without adjusting any settings, tried to take several pictures. The flash was set to AUTO and it did activate each time I clicked the shutter button, however the actual picture would not be taken until the flash had already gone off. I tried 4 images with the flash set to AUTO and 4 images with the flash set to ON. Only 3 of the 8 images were actually captured while the flash was still visible. So there is an obvious issue with the timing of the flash and the shutter not being synchronized.
In addition, the image quality is really bad. The pictures all seem to have been run through some sort of photoshop filter that makes the image look like a watercolor or something.
All 8 images can be viewed here: http://imgur.com/a/lDIrg
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Turn off continuous shooting. I had the same problem.
I wasn't shooting multiple shots at the time, but I will give that a try. Thanks!
Flash only work at first shoot
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I wasn't using continuous mode at the time, just taking single pictures. I will try disabling the continuous mode option though.
Any one have a comment on why the image quality is so bad though?
I got the same problem, looks like some sort of filter is added to the pics.
Doesnt have that problem, all works fine except the quality at low light ...
But the camera do his job perfect most times
this will look like perfectly working vs the CM10 camera right now
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Doesnt have that problem, all works fine except the quality at low light ...
But the camera do his job perfect most times
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I haven't had the flash sync problem anymore either. A simple reboot seems to have fixed that. Are you seeing any quality issues though?
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this will look like perfectly working vs the CM10 camera right now
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Ha ha... I bet. CM doesn't use the HTC image processor... Is the CM camera really bad right now though?
911jason said:
I haven't had the flash sync problem anymore either. A simple reboot seems to have fixed that. Are you seeing any quality issues though?
Ha ha... I bet. CM doesn't use the HTC image processor... Is the CM camera really bad right now though?
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honestly it doesnt look "too" bad but it does make the world look a bit lopsided
No the quality and the sync is fine, but at low light, the quality is ok but not not perfect.
But that problem is quite normal for small chips and ISO
Will post some links, if I have 10 Threads, otherwise I am not allowed
Here you see the differences
Same Watercolor issue
I have been trying to get a good picture out of this camera and I keep reading reviews where people say it rivals the iPhone, which is ridiculous. The photos look smeared and filtered. I cleaned my lens, tried every setting in every configuration and it still looks horrible. This is an example of a 100% zoom. All pictures take on this quality its super annoying.
Edit: These images were not taken with digital zoom. All images were cropped at 100% to show quality of the pictures.
My front facing camera seems to be fine though... so wtf?
Luckyfinch said:
I have been trying to get a good picture out of this camera and I keep reading reviews where people say it rivals the iPhone, which is ridiculous. The photos look smeared and filtered. I cleaned my lens, tried every setting in every configuration and it still looks horrible. This is an example of a 100% zoom. All pictures take on this quality its super annoying.
My front facing camera seems to be fine though... so wtf?
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Digital zoom is never the best tbh
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Digital zoom is never the best tbh
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Those images were not taken with digital zoom. They are just cropped at 100% to show the quality of the images.
Yep, that's how my pictures look too. If I can't figure this out in the next week, I'm going to have to return my X+. Not sure if I'll try another one or just switch to another device.
Pretty sure you're looking at what would have been an really grainy picture, and HTC knows everyone hates grainy pictures. So HTC tried to dial in what they thought would be an aesthetically pleasing image filter that summarizes colors and sort of substitutes "grainy" with "splotchy". I only really see it on lowlight pictures and if I zoom in real close.
I have a lot of reference pics of this one corner where the sidewalk meets the road outside my office where I go to smoke. I used to be a flashaholic on my HTC Inspire (AKA America's Desire HD), and I would compare camera shots of this one corner to see how the camera software on different ROMs handled it. during the day I can get direct sunlight and shade, so I have a ton of reference material. I can say with the "watercolor effect" you're really not missing out on much. It really is just "watercolor" instead of "grainy".
I think compression has a lot to do with it too. I think HTC probably has JPEG compression dialed in higher than we normally would, and the watercolor masks artifacts as well.
All that nay-saying aside, It does murder HDR shots. I'm looking forward to a time when either HTC hands us more ability to tweek settings and/or releases enough source for devs to manipulate the image chip. Sometimes I just want to save what the sensor sees.
Ok I think I've rambled enough.
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Pretty sure you're looking at what would have been an really grainy picture, and HTC knows everyone hates grainy pictures. So HTC tried to dial in what they thought would be an aesthetically pleasing image filter that summarizes colors and sort of substitutes "grainy" with "splotchy". I only really see it on lowlight pictures and if I zoom in real close.
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You can easily see the effect in this picture taken at a distance of a foot or two with the flash on. Definitely far from low-light. You might have to zoom in a bit to see it, but not past 100%. My wife would kill me for posting this by the way! She's pregnant and not very happy with me taking any pics at all!
^Accidental like. Bumpy bus ride home from work.
The quality can always be improved with modding.
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Hey Guys,
I got my Note about 2 weeks ago and have noticed that the camera and pictures are unusually grainy/noisy and the auto focus is subpar which results in blurry pictures. I have messed with the ISO settings changing it to 100 and 200.. which seems to help some, but its still noticeable as well as the settings dont save. I have tried 3rd party apps as well, still the problem persists. I've also compared my camera and photos to a buddy's Sprint Note 2 and his are far superior. My next step is to go to Verizon, but i just wanted to see if anyone else was having issues. I have heard that it could probably be the Drivers and that it might be fixed with an update, hopefully so, because of now, im highly disappointed.
any input or advice is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Josh
That doesn't sound right, I get great pics from mine.
Obviously they are not as good as my EOS 1D Canon DSLR but they are amazing for a camera phone IMHO.
Here is a shot I took in a very dimly lit room where I wasn't even sure the pics would come out:
http://s361.beta.photobucket.com/user/jmorton10_photo/media/Camera-ZOOM_zpsbafd9ff2.jpg.html
I took over 100 shots and they all came out great. I printed an 8"x10" pic from this and nobody can believe it's from my phone.
I have used Camera ZoomFX or Camera FV-5 (to save RAW images) in my last 3-4 phones.
it's definitely not right.
to get even a decent picture, i have to manually set the ISO to 100 or 200, then focus (because the auto focus is terrible as well) and then if i move even the slightest, the picture comes out blurry.
Moose1988 said:
it's definitely not right.
to get even a decent picture, i have to manually set the ISO to 100 or 200, then focus (because the auto focus is terrible as well) and then if i move even the slightest, the picture comes out blurry.
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You have anti shake on?
Like most phones I find pics pretty bad if im not in bright light...or using flash..
And manually setting the iso at 100 in dark conditions is obviously gonna blur..youre better off using the flash and turning the exposure down a bit
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You have anti shake on?
Like most phones I find pics pretty bad if im not in bright light...or using flash..
And manually setting the iso at 100 in dark conditions is obviously gonna blur..youre better off using the flash and turning the exposure down a bit
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well when setting the ISO to lower levels, Anti Shake is greyed out.
and everything in low light is gonna blur, yeah.. but im talking about all the time. regardless of light. I can get somewhat better pictures when I adjust the settings, but, that is somewhat time consuming when wanting to take a quick picture, especially since it doesnt save the settings I choose.
I am having the same problem. No solution yet.
Is your camera lense dirty? Wipe it with a microfiber cloth or something.
I'm having problems with blurry pictures as well. Seems like the camera is not "fast" enough trying to capture kids who move around while you're trying to take a picture. I've got it set to single shot, highest resolution, auto iso and auto exposure and still get some noisy pics and blurry faces. Not sure what it is....
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gime_time said:
I am having the same problem. No solution yet.
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Maybe an update will help. Here's to hoping
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Is your camera lense dirty? Wipe it with a microfiber cloth or something.
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I make sure its clean everytime. I thought that might be it but no. Its more of a grain.. like its the software or a driver issue
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I'm having problems with blurry pictures as well. Seems like the camera is not "fast" enough trying to capture kids who move around while you're trying to take a picture. I've got it set to single shot, highest resolution, auto iso and auto exposure and still get some noisy pics and blurry faces. Not sure what it is....
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Yeah exactly. I have the same exact issues.
Could it be a Verizon Note issue?
I just did some testing, seems anti shake adds an enormous amount of noise to images, as does auto contrast.
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I just did some testing, seems anti shake adds an enormous amount of noise to images, as does auto contrast.
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I never use either of those settings, but I'm definitely surprised that as ruins the image like that.
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I'm having problems with blurry pictures as well. Seems like the camera is not "fast" enough trying to capture kids who move around while you're trying to take a picture.
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LOL, no big surprise there.
Some real digital cameras are going to have that problem..
I don't think its the anti shake as I have mine turned off. I have my flash set to off but maybe because the room I'm in isn't bright enough so it's pumping up the iso to capture the shot and thus its grainier..
But I've still notice that it's hard to get a good picture of moving subjects like kids oe dogs as it doesn't seem to focus on the right place or the focus point moves to easily.
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But I've still notice that it's hard to get a good picture of moving subjects like kids oe dogs as it doesn't seem to focus on the right place or the focus point moves to easily.
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These are some of the main reasons people buy DSLRs. NO little dc is going to be fast enough for any kind of action shots.
I have done pro photography for years. When I want to take any kind of action (especially in lower light like you typically find inside your house), I grab my DSLR with a fast lens. That camera will shoot 8 frames per second, all in perfect focus, stops all action and will do it easily in lower light conditions.
The camera phone however works great if you give it half a chance. If you are taking a posed shot (like the one I posted where the girls were not moving) and have enough light (use the flash if necessary) then the phone and its tiny little lens and sensor will give very decent results.
I have been playing with the camera a ton in the last couple days using this app:
http://www.camerafv5.com/
The more I practice with it, the more impressed I am with this device.
If you understand basic photography, FV-5 gives you tons of ways to very quickly/easily make a fast settings change with one fast click to change things like the auto focus point, white balance setting etc to give really outstanding results within the limitations of the actual hardware.
Posters talk about an update like that will magically cure why they can't take a decent picture. No update is going to fix blurry pics when the cause of that is user error (and reading some of these posts it is obvious to me that is the case).
Posters are expecting results that are way beyond the capabilities of a device that is a phone first and also happens to also take snapshots. Expecting it to capture perfectly focused, sharp images of your kid or dog running around the yard is ridiculous. That is the job of a DSLR, even some of the better dedicated DCs will struggle with those kind of shots.
There are two basic settings that apply to any picture taken, F stop (how much light the lens lets in) and shutter speed (how long the shutter stays open while snapping the picture). Both these settings are adjustable on the better quality digital cameras. The faster the shutter speed, the better it is for stopping action. If you shoot at say 1/1000 of a second, you can shoot a clear pic of a race car. On the other hand, 1/15 of a second is so slow that even a slight twitch on the photographers part will result in a blurry image.
With the phone cameras, you don't have the luxury of altering these settings much (if there is any adjustment at all). With the tiny lens of the N2 (or ANY camera phone) you cannot alter the F stop setting at all, it is what's called a fixed aperature and is not adjustable. That only leaves the shutter speed to change to get the correct exposure for any particular shot.
Using Camera FV-5, you can get a small amount of manual control to make that shutter speed faster (better to stop movement) but it doesn't help all that much because if you pick a really fast/short shutter speed the image will usually come out way too dark as it is not letting in enough light to properly expose the image. With a good quality DC, you would open up the F stop more to compensate for this, but you can't do that with the fixed aperature phone camera lens (which is so tiny it doesn't let in much light to begin with)
Camera FV-5 gives you more control than the stock camera app which gives you no control al all, but the tiny lens/sensor etc can only do just so much. I have simplified a lot of this info to make it easier to understand, but the same basic principles apply to any camera all the way back to film cameras.
To take better pics with the N2, try to...
1: hold the camera as still as possible, brace it against something to help with this if possible
2: provide as much light as possible. Either add more ambient light or use the flash (or both)
3: don't expect results that equal a good quality digital camera, the N2 works great for basically posed snapshots etc. If you're trying to shhot your kids Varsity Basketball league or your 2 year old chasing the dog around the back yard get yourself a basic DSLR.
Well for me... I do know how to use a camera.. I've set all the settings, I know basic photography. I know its a phone camera, but my thunderbolt took better pictures than this. To me it seems like a phone issue... NOT a user issue. Thanks for the lesson though. Appreciate it. :good:
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Well for me... I do know how to use a camera.. I've set all the settings, I know basic photography. I know its a phone camera, but my thunderbolt took better pictures than this. To me it seems like a phone issue... NOT a user issue. Thanks for the lesson though. Appreciate it. :good:
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So maybe it is a phone issue, maybe yours has defective hardware??
I'm hoping so. It really seems more grainy than it should be. I still need to go to Verizon and check another Note 2.
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I never use either of those settings, but I'm definitely surprised that as ruins the image like that.
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LOL, no big surprise there.
Some real digital cameras are going to have that problem..
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I'm not talking about kids running around but rather them sitting still long a full 2-3s so I can snap a good picture without them moving their head. I don't have problems with my gnex camera at all in the same location. I seem to be having similar focus or grainy images that the op is seeing.
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The problem is that your last phone was an htc. Im coming from a Rezound and that camera was way better than this one. Never really even mess with the settings on the Rezound and the pictures always came out crisp and detailed.
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The problem is that your last phone was an htc. Im coming from a Rezound and that camera was way better than this one. Never really even mess with the settings on the Rezound and the pictures always came out crisp and detailed.
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I'm not trying to be argumentative here at all, but I don't agree with this.
I still have two Rezounds and I rarely used the cameras because even though I kept reading how awesome the Rezound camera was I was never overly impressed with mine. I recently compared identical shots from one of the Rezounds with my N2. I left both on full auto so it was a fair comparison.
All the shots from the N2 came out perfect while the shots from the Rezound varied considerably. Some of the Rezound shots where too dark and others missed the focus point.
I really think some of you guys may have defective N2s and should go back to verizon and compare yours to another unit to compare results. My N2 is the first phone camera that works so well for me that I don't feel the need to carry an extra small P&S camera with me along with the phone.
I took over 100 shots of a Christmas party for my 12 year old daughters soccer team. I sent them to all the parents of the girls and they are thrilled with the shots. I took them inside where the light was not that great and most other phone cameras would have produced disastrous results. The shots are all perfectly exposed and it only missed the AF point on a couple shots.
The parents have all seen me shooting with my Canon EOS 1D DSLR over the years and naturally assumed that was what I was using to take the shots. When I told them the shots all came from my phone they where astounded. I printed a few 8"x10" shots for some of the parents and they can't believe it was possible to get a shot of that quality from a phone.
One of them told me yesterday they had framed the shot and hung it in their family room. Now, granted I have been doing photography professionally for years and I will always take better pictures in most situations without even thinking about it but I don't think that's the case here. I had my wife take some shots with the note to make sure that it wasn't just me. Her results where not as good as mine, but they where just fine as far as the camera performance.
Hello all
I am observing something that angers me a bit and I see as kind of an issue with the camera and the processing my S23 Ultra does to each shot, more specifically to those taken in 50 and 200mp modes.
I have noticed a considerable oversaturation, increase in warmer tones and maybe even adding of contrast. Whenever there is a scenario where I have oranges or reds, the phone adds more to those and they blow up. I noticed it the other day while shooting a sunset.
The attached pictures are from the standard app, but the same happens in Pro and Expert RAW. The 1st pic is at 12 mp. There is some saturation added, but not too much. The 2nd one is from the 50mp where it goes crazy. After I take the shot it looks good, but it shows that it is processing it and than - crap happens. Same is with the 200 mode.
I spoke with a Samsung rep, I have reset the camera settings, restarted the phone and I am on the newest version, having updated a few hours ago.
Do you see the same behaviour with your S23 Ultras or is it just me? And is there something I can do? I have disabled and disabled the Picture color mode in Dev Options with no effect.
Thank you a lot in advance for helping out!
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Hello all
I am observing something that angers me a bit and I see as kind of an issue with the camera and the processing my S23 Ultra does to each shot, more specifically to those taken in 50 and 200mp modes.
I have noticed a considerable oversaturation, increase in warmer tones and maybe even adding of contrast. Whenever there is a scenario where I have oranges or reds, the phone adds more to those and they blow up. I noticed it the other day while shooting a sunset.
The attached pictures are from the standard app, but the same happens in Pro and Expert RAW. The 1st pic is at 12 mp. There is some saturation added, but not too much. The 2nd one is from the 50mp where it goes crazy. After I take the shot it looks good, but it shows that it is processing it and than - crap happens. Same is with the 200 mode.
I spoke with a Samsung rep, I have reset the camera settings, restarted the phone and I am on the newest version, having updated a few hours ago.
Do you see the same behaviour with your S23 Ultras or is it just me? And is there something I can do? I have disabled and disabled the Picture color mode in Dev Options with no effect.
Thank you a lot in advance for helping out!
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Try to disable "scene optimizer". It could be the issue.
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Try to disable "scene optimizer". It could be the issue.
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That should certainly be done but it does not help a ton. The most significant thing I have found is to always shoot in pro mode and take saturation down 2-3 clicks, click the right most icon on the top of the screen to get access to that setting. As mentioned in the gcam thread I also take down shadows and highlights 2-3 clicks and turn contrast up 2-3 clicks. That tends to expand the dynamic range just enough to make a difference. Make sure to use the additional camera settings to tell the cam to always remember your last mode and filter settings.
And about the image in the OP - getting this type of scene right in "auto everything" mode is tough even for DSLR cameras costing thousands of dollars. You have to futz a bit with the white balance and exposure to get something pleasing on practically any camera. shooting into the sun requires good understanding of what the sensor is seeing, and almost always takes significant post processing to make it look natural
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That should certainly be done but it does not help a ton. The most significant thing I have found is to always shoot in pro mode and take saturation down 2-3 clicks, click the right most icon on the top of the screen to get access to that setting. As mentioned in the gcam thread I also take down shadows and highlights 2-3 clicks and turn contrast up 2-3 clicks. That tends to expand the dynamic range just enough to make a difference. Make sure to use the additional camera settings to tell the cam to always remember your last mode and filter settings.
And about the image in the OP - getting this type of scene right in "auto everything" mode is tough even for DSLR cameras costing thousands of dollars. You have to futz a bit with the white balance and exposure to get something pleasing on practically any camera. shooting into the sun requires good understanding of what the sensor is seeing, and almost always takes significant post processing to make it look natural
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Thank you both. Scene Optimizer didn't help at all and i will try that saturation thing, though it tells me it is not available for RAW mode
Still it is good to hear, that I am not the only one, so it is not a HW issue, but a software one. Right?
I am not expecting for the phone to replace my Nikon 6 II, but use it, when I am taking a walk and shoot something nice and not need to carry the camera and all the additional things with it
Stock app on s23u screen look ok. Because the screen is washed out with too much blue and green.
But when Ive edited the picture on my benq 4k screen 99% color accuracy, wow, indeed over saturated !
I will follow the Gcam thread closely, I think a member is very close to have a config file on point.
Itnis actually a really good point. I javent thought that i also have Vivid mode on the phone and things might look quite different on other devices.
I assume you also have the same issue as I do with the phone oversaturating shots?
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I assume you also have the same issue as I do with the phone oversaturating shots?
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Probably report it with a photo/video evidence and detailed description in Samsung members application.
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Probably report it with a photo/video evidence and detailed description in Samsung members application.
Already did. I aslo spoke with a rep from Samsun US, but I am not sure if he will log it
Does it mean though that you dont have such an issue with your phone?
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Maybe I have but I like colors on my photos
Well not when the Oranges in your shot are trying to get out of the screen and have a life of their own
Don't use Expert RAW, as best as I can tell it has fewer capabilities that PRO mode in the stock app. Once in pro mode click the icon in the top right of the screen (looks like two concentric circles connected by spokes). Then along the bottom there are a bunch of cryptic icons. When you click on each some verbiage will appear explaining what they are. First one is contrast, second highlights, third shadows, fourth saturation, fifth tint. Take down saturation, highlights and shadows 2-3 clicks and bring contrast up the same amount and see what you think.
Other settings to adjust in tandem: from the modes panel pull down Pro mode to the modes strip at the bottom; under Advanced Picture options change storage mode to either RAW or RAW+JPEG if you want to futz with things in Photoshop; and most importantly under Settings to Keep make sure that camera mode and filters are checked.
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Hello all
I am observing something that angers me a bit and I see as kind of an issue with the camera and the processing my S23 Ultra does to each shot, more specifically to those taken in 50 and 200mp modes.
I have noticed a considerable oversaturation, increase in warmer tones and maybe even adding of contrast. Whenever there is a scenario where I have oranges or reds, the phone adds more to those and they blow up. I noticed it the other day while shooting a sunset.
The attached pictures are from the standard app, but the same happens in Pro and Expert RAW. The 1st pic is at 12 mp. There is some saturation added, but not too much. The 2nd one is from the 50mp where it goes crazy. After I take the shot it looks good, but it shows that it is processing it and than - crap happens. Same is with the 200 mode.
I spoke with a Samsung rep, I have reset the camera settings, restarted the phone and I am on the newest version, having updated a few hours ago.
Do you see the same behavior with your S23 Ultras or is it just me? And is there something I can do? I have disabled and disabled the Picture color mode in Dev Options with no effect.
Thank you a lot in advance for helping out!
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Well, I don't have my S23 Ultra yet and don't know how you got yours so fast. I'm still waiting and I ordered mine on the 16th, day before they were to be released.
That said, all high end phones and my Nikon Camera have settings that affect that, for an example the "VIVID" setting in my Nikon would cause the saturation problem with your photos and can be adjusted.
Also mid to high end Samsung TVs have that too. In the showrooms they're all set to VIVID or something similar to make the picture POP. Samsung phones probably comes that way as well.
So read your manual and find settings for saturation and adjust to your liking.
Thank you, William. To add to it, I actually got mine the next day, the 2nd from my local Samsung store. I guess it depends per country, but we just got the upgrade from 256 to 512 as a benefit and nothing else.
I have taken some shots the past day, having turned off scene optimization and HDR and making sure that I am looking at the RAW shot, not the jpeg and it seems better.
Your Nikon camera, mine including, has a similar option, but it affects the jpeg shot only and not the RAW, where you can do whatever you like. I am kind of expecting the same with the phones RAW shots.
Still when looking at the jpeg, when I have set it up to take both, the jpeg seems worse, while the RAW is ok. I guess it will take some playing with it and it became better and I thank all that spared time to reply to me. The phone is just amazing. Even 3 weeks after I got it, I still can stop wondering how big of an upgrade it is for me and how much I like it
Cheers!
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Thank you, William. To add to it, I actually got mine the next day, the 2nd from my local Samsung store. I guess it depends per country, but we just got the upgrade from 256 to 512 as a benefit and nothing else.
I have taken some shots the past day, having turned off scene optimization and HDR and making sure that I am looking at the RAW shot, not the jpeg and it seems better.
Your Nikon camera, mine including, has a similar option, but it affects the jpeg shot only and not the RAW, where you can do whatever you like. I am kind of expecting the same with the phones RAW shots.
Still when looking at the jpeg, when I have set it up to take both, the jpeg seems worse, while the RAW is ok. I guess it will take some playing with it and it became better and I thank all that spared time to reply to me. The phone is just amazing. Even 3 weeks after I got it, I still can stop wondering how big of an upgrade it is for me and how much I like it
Cheers!
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I got a great deal with my S23 Ultra:
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I ordered this phone for the photography features as I was surprised how good my former S21+ was... I started leaving my Nikons home too much. LOL But these camera phones will never be able to shoot BIF that I like to do. Anyways I'm a semi-pro and here is my website if you care to look.
https://moskovita-photography.com/
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I got a great deal with my S23 Ultra:
View attachment 5847523I ordered this phone for the photography features as I was surprised how good my former S21+ was... I started leaving my Nikons home too much. LOL But these camera phones will never be able to shoot BIF that I like to do. Anyways I'm a semi-pro and here is my website if you care to look.
https://moskovita-photography.com/
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you have quite a lot of amazing shots there, mate. I urge you not to stop taking your Nikon with you . I know it can be quite a lot and when I decide to go full out, my backpack is close to 15 kilos, but oh, well. It is worth it when you take that amazing shot
The phone is quite impressive for a phone camera, but it is still not close to the real deal. The difference is sensor size does matter a lot.
Here are some of mine then too
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Korowin said:
you have quite a lot of amazing shots there, mate. I urge you not to stop taking your Nikon with you . I know it can be quite a lot and when I decide to go full out, my backpack is close to 15 kilos, but oh, well. It is worth it when you take that amazing shot
The phone is quite impressive for a phone camera, but it is still not close to the real deal. The difference is sensor size does matter a lot.
Here are some of mine then too
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Ah... indeed you do have some great photos on FB.
Here is my older website with 40 years worth of photos
http://www.moskovita-photography.com/stock_photography.htm
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Ah... indeed you do have some great photos on FB.
Here is my older website with 40 years worth of photos
http://www.moskovita-photography.com/stock_photography.htm
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Awesome. I am still browsing and I love it. I am still new. Got the Nikon a year ago, had no clue what is going on, and still pushing through it. It is quite a lot of fun, having in mind I hated taking pictures before.
And I kind of like it, that this phone gives me the opportunity to dig into how it is working and what it does to get even more out of it.
I found that using my note9 for photos they came out exactly as what I see with my eyes. The 23 ultra threw a bunch of blue into the sky and made things much more vibrant than what it really looks like. When comparing the iPhone and s23 yes you can see pros and cons but no one really can see how enhanced the photos are. I can't find a way to make the pictures look less exaggerated. I don't think we should have to resort to using pro settings every time. Has anyone foud a way to correct the photos? Debating on returning back to the note
Master255 said:
I recommend just switching to S22. It has no such problems and everything works automatically. With him you do not need to be a professional to just take a photo.
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Sure. Makes sens. Ditch the batter battery, go for exinos, leave the better and flatter display, the otherwise perfect performance for me, the better ram and storage, etc. I can also get a Nokia with a flash life.
Having in mind I own a semi pro camera, this is a solid advice.
Cheers!
Master255 said:
The battery in the s22 is exactly the same, the s22 also has snapdragon, the screen in the s23 is greener displays less details and has fewer colors compared to the s22, the RAM is exactly the same, the drive too. As you can see the camera is so professional in the s23 that ordinary users can not use it. So you don't lose anything by switching to the s22!
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The things you are listing are not the same. I will get exinos cuz i am in the EU. The display is more energy efficient and i dont see the color stuff you are listing. It is a matter of set up.
The s23 ram is 5x, which means newer and faster. The storage is 4.0, which also means newer and faster, and more efficient
There is more in the s23U than the spec sheet tells in comparison to s22U.