Speaker Quality - HTC One X+

Just got my One X+ today on AT&T. Does anyone notice how bad music sounds from the speaker when the phone is face up on a desk or flat surface?
Flipping it over produces a much cleaner sound, but it is unrealistic to have the phone screen down while playing music (screen can get easily scratched). What's the deal here - design flaw?
Also, music and videos from the default player play silently even with the volume up. Anyone else have this issue? I had to use another media player to get sound output - default htc sense music app did NOT output any volume on my mp3s!

ashamir said:
Just got my One X+ today on AT&T. Does anyone notice how bad music sounds from the speaker when the phone is face up on a desk or flat surface?
Flipping it over produces a much cleaner sound, but it is unrealistic to have the phone screen down while playing music (screen can get easily scratched). What's the deal here - design flaw?
Also, music and videos from the default player play silently even with the volume up. Anyone else have this issue? I had to use another media player to get sound output - default htc sense music app did NOT output any volume on my mp3s!
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The answer is incredibly simply, when it is face up the speaker is blocked/covered by the surface and moreover the sound reverberates off of that surface. What do you want speakers on the front?

ashamir said:
Just got my One X+ today on AT&T. Does anyone notice how bad music sounds from the speaker when the phone is face up on a desk or flat surface?
Flipping it over produces a much cleaner sound, but it is unrealistic to have the phone screen down while playing music (screen can get easily scratched). What's the deal here - design flaw?
Also, music and videos from the default player play silently even with the volume up. Anyone else have this issue? I had to use another media player to get sound output - default htc sense music app did NOT output any volume on my mp3s!
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I've seen cases out there with kickstands.. that might help you

mfpreach said:
The answer is incredibly simply, when it is face up the speaker is blocked/covered by the surface and moreover the sound reverberates off of that surface. What do you want speakers on the front?
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Don't be silly, I know that. I am saying that many phones account for this in the design, and project the sound accordingly. This thing sounds like a tin can when face down. Do they expect us to lay the phone screen-down to play music?

ashamir said:
Don't be silly, I know that. I am saying that many phones account for this in the design, and project the sound accordingly. This thing sounds like a tin can when face down. Do they expect us to lay the phone screen-down to play music?
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I'd venture a guess that they don't assume people are going to play music through the tiny ass speaker on the back of a phone in general. I mean it's got BEATS!
This is one area that Apple got it right...stick the speakers on the side or bottom of the phone so they aren't covered when the phone is on a table/couch/lap whatever. It just makes sense. Even if they used the earpiece cut out and stuck two speakers in there (one for calls and one for tones) that would work. Anything but flat on the back.
Moral of the story...don't listen to music on the crappy built in speaker. It's going to sound bad regardless of how the phone is held/set down.

dbdynsty25 said:
I'd venture a guess that they don't assume people are going to play music through the tiny ass speaker on the back of a phone in general. I mean it's got BEATS!
This is one area that Apple got it right...stick the speakers on the side or bottom of the phone so they aren't covered when the phone is on a table/couch/lap whatever. It just makes sense. Even if they used the earpiece cut out and stuck two speakers in there (one for calls and one for tones) that would work. Anything but flat on the back.
Moral of the story...don't listen to music on the crappy built in speaker. It's going to sound bad regardless of how the phone is held/set down.
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Would never think to use a smartphone as a boom box, lol!

dbdynsty25 said:
This is one area that Apple got it right...stick the speakers on the side or bottom of the phone so they aren't covered when the phone is on a table/couch/lap whatever. It just makes sense. Even if they used the earpiece cut out and stuck two speakers in there (one for calls and one for tones) that would work. Anything but flat on the back.
Moral of the story...don't listen to music on the crappy built in speaker. It's going to sound bad regardless of how the phone is held/set down.
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To be fair, Nokia was placing the speakers on the side of the phone, in their N-Series smartphones, long before there was an iPhone. (I know you didn't mean it this way, but I get a little tired of Apple getting credit for so many things that they did not invent.)
Anyway, it's true that a lot of phones position the speaker on the back so that the curvature of the phone creates a small megaphone effect. My Nexus One is actually louder and clearer with the back (and therefore speaker) facing down. At least this works on hard surfaces.
I don't like to listen to music this way. But for podcasts and news I do it all the time. I'm planning to get a One X+, so I hope I can do the same. I suppose I don't really need to see the screen when I'm listening to something like that. But the scratching issue, with the phone sitting on the screen, seems real. (Despite claims to the contrary, Gorilla Glass 2 does scratch.)

cb474 said:
To be fair, Nokia was placing the speakers on the side of the phone, in their N-Series smartphones, long before there was an iPhone. (I know you didn't mean it this way, but I get a little tired of Apple getting credit for so many things that they did not invent.)
Anyway, it's true that a lot of phones position the speaker on the back so that the curvature of the phone creates a small megaphone effect. My Nexus One is actually louder and clearer with the back (and therefore speaker) facing down. At least this works on hard surfaces.
I don't like to listen to music this way. But for podcasts and news I do it all the time. I'm planning to get a One X+, so I hope I can do the same. I suppose I don't really need to see the screen when I'm listening to something like that. But the scratching issue, with the phone sitting on the screen, seems real. (Despite claims to the contrary, Gorilla Glass 2 does scratch.)
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I just see nit picking here. If listening to music or whatever u listen to and u CHOOSE to use the rear speaker, invest $10 in a screen protector and another $15 on a slim case that allows u to place the phone screen down and it will sit on the case, not the screen. Now if ur too OCD for a case then the screen protector will still he just fine. Again, why people aren't using Bluetooth headsets or even a Bluetooth device in one ear to listen to whatever they're listening too is beyond me. To be honest I think this device has a great rear speaker at high volumes and the whole idea behind a speaker is for SPEAKERPHONE, which it serves very well and crisp.

deeznuts said:
I just see nit picking here. If listening to music or whatever u listen to and u CHOOSE to use the rear speaker, invest $10 in a screen protector and another $15 on a slim case that allows u to place the phone screen down and it will sit on the case, not the screen. Now if ur too OCD for a case then the screen protector will still he just fine. Again, why people aren't using Bluetooth headsets or even a Bluetooth device in one ear to listen to whatever they're listening too is beyond me. To be honest I think this device has a great rear speaker at high volumes and the whole idea behind a speaker is for SPEAKERPHONE, which it serves very well and crisp.
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Gee, thanks for the gratuitous critique of how I like to use my phone. What happened to if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all? I really don't need to be told, unsolicited, how to use my phone or what sort of case to get, if any. People have different prefences. And no one wants to be preached to by someone else about how their way is better.
Anyway, I find the built in speaker on phones (like my Nexus One) useful for some purposes other than speakerphone. I'm thinking about getting a One X+, so why shouldn't I be concerned about how well it's speaker phone works, comparatively? I don't want to take step backwards. It's a reasonable discussion to have, to learn more about the One X+.

Nah nothing wrong with the speaker sound, it doesn't sound tinny in any way and in fact all my previous smart phones in my Sig haven't sounded tinny either.
My Nokia brick before my n95 had what I would call a "tinny" speaker some 8/9 or so yrs ago.
The hox+ has a rear amp so try higher quality bitrate music, a 128kb to 256kb mp3 doesn't cut it any more for eg.
Also a gnex would be a step back in all categories as well as software imho to be sure, no need to squabble just do the side by side test before u buy.
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Wing earbuds design faulty? one side is shorter then other!

Hello everyone
I got my Wing couple weeks ago, but I just got to testing the headset/earbuds that came with it. Anyways, when I opened them, it looks like one string of an earbud is shorter then the other. So the middle piece with volume control on it is not centered in the middle, which is very uncomfortable. I didn't find any way to adjust it. Anyone else has the same problem, or am I on the only one with "faulty" earbuds? Please respond. I purchased online through Business Services on a current deal. If I take it to T-Mobile store, will they replace? Thanks a lot.
It really is a crappy design flaw but thats the way they come. With the weight of the volume control on one side of the headphones, that side tends to fall out of my ear. Really sorry design on they're part.
I'd say go with the bluetooth stereo headsets. The sound quality is better and you dont have to worry about the faulty wires being in the way. I invested in one the other day and come to find out other than listening to music, they also pick up calls. You can find good deals on ebay.
wordizbond007 said:
It really is a crappy design flaw but thats the way they come. With the weight of the volume control on one side of the headphones, that side tends to fall out of my ear. Really sorry design on they're part.
I'd say go with the bluetooth stereo headsets. The sound quality is better and you dont have to worry about the faulty wires being in the way. I invested in one the other day and come to find out other than listening to music, they also pick up calls. You can find good deals on ebay.
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Thanks for the explanation. Can you tell me which ones you got? Just currious!
The ones I picked up are made by Motorola. Check the ones I bought on this link.
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-MOTOROLA-HT820-BLUETOOTH-STEREO-HEADSET-HT-820_W0QQitemZ290181398683QQihZ019QQcategoryZ133229QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
There's also a few diferent types to choose from. Just do a search for Bluetooth Stereo Headsets and you'll see.
You do realize most headphones are like this now, just grab a set of ipod headphones and you'll know what I mean.
genaldar said:
You do realize most headphones are like this now, just grab a set of ipod headphones and you'll know what I mean.
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That sucks! Whoever came up with this idea should be forced to wear these headphones for the rest of their life!
coolmen777 said:
That sucks! Whoever came up with this idea should be forced to wear these headphones for the rest of their life!
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I agree completely. It's always felt awkward to me.
coolmen777 said:
Hello everyone
I got my Wing couple weeks ago, but I just got to testing the headset/earbuds that came with it. Anyways, when I opened them, it looks like one string of an earbud is shorter then the other. So the middle piece with volume control on it is not centered in the middle, which is very uncomfortable. I didn't find any way to adjust it. Anyone else has the same problem, or am I on the only one with "faulty" earbuds? Please respond. I purchased online through Business Services on a current deal. If I take it to T-Mobile store, will they replace? Thanks a lot.
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the longer one is supposed to go around the back of your neck... bet bluetooth is way better i like these ones because you can use any 3.5mm headphones you like.
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Stereo-Blac...ryZ15034QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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the longer one is supposed to go around the back of your neck... bet bluetooth is way better i like these ones because you can use any 3.5mm headphones you like.
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Stereo-Blac...ryZ15034QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Can you just give us the model number? Or possibly a valid item# for the once you like? Link is not working (item removed). Thanks...
The model number is BCK-08. they have a bunch of 'em listed
Ummmm, it's not a defect!
Guys you do realize that there is a perfectly logical reason for this right??? Well, since you don't...LOL... Well, it's because the short side goes into one ear, and the other wraps around the back of you neck, so that they fit comfortably... The ear buds are labled, just follow the instructions above and everything should come together for you... They're not defective guys...
Yeah, thanks! Weird!
i agree... its done purpose fully.. not a defect
I still think it's a bad design because the side with the mic always gets knocked out of my ear or the mic gets caught on something, zipper, collar, button. I'm left-handed, so at least with symmetrical buds I don't have to be reminded that it's a right-handed world.
Be careful with bluetooth, the wing isn't really designed as a music player, even though it can do it. I got some bluetooth headphones made by insignia that work flawlessly with my partner's Samsung Upstage, but have this crackle with my Wing, only when playing music, and no, the sound files are fine, it's the wing's bluetooth connection that's messed up.
Have you tweaked the bluetooth stack (the bitrate and such) for better quality?

Two quick hardware questions about Aria for other owners

Received my Aria from Amazon this week. $339 for this thing is pretty sweet for a no-contract phone. This is my first Android phone and I really like it. Two items are bugging me. If everyone else has the same issues then I'm not going to worry about it.
1. Headphone jack seems a little hissy/staticy on podcasts and music with decent quality earbuds. More noticable on podcasts though. Probably just spoiled by my Zune and my Nokia 5800 as these devices make headphone output a top priority. Is this par for the course?
2. Flipping the phone over in a dark room there is a light leak around the right rear bottom screw hole showing through the cover. There is a little gap that is not there around the other holes. There is no light showing anywhere else. Almost looks like the hole for the cover was just cut slightly too large so it left a little gap. Nothing major, but just wanted to see if it was just my unit. I could definitely photograph it.
1. Audio quality for me seems decent. Then again I'm not an audiophile and have never had a Zine.
2. I have it too. Dann! Cannot unsee!
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I have also noticed the hiss problem. It is readily apparent to me in listening to podcasts, but not music (except in parts containing silence).
The second part I am unsure of as I never bothered to look at the back of my phone in darkness. I'll do so later tonight and edit this post if I remember.
Edit: I just went into the bathroom with the lights off and the bottom right corner does show light through the screw hole. Maybe it allows you to orient the phone when looking at the back in complete darkness?
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Hiss
after reading the posts on the Hiss on the HTC Aria. I searched Google-HTC aria hiss and came up with several major phone reviewers writing about hearing the hiss sounds on calls. they didnt mention if the hiss was coming from the earbud but this will change my mind about purchasing the ARia.
with music you wont hear it but my ears cant stand hiss on phone calls as they are many slient spots in conversation.
With decent headphones there is most definitely hiss coming from the headphone out. I've tried it with several different compression formats. It's not horrible, but there is more than exists on a DAP. It's unfortunate if you care about quality at all, but the phone will still work as a backup player I guess.

Is there Anyway to make tb speaker louder

Coming from the d1. My thunderbolt sounds like crap when in my pocket and driving in my car I can't hear most of the time. Volume up and changed tones and still not happy for such a big speaker. So any volume hacks?
marcogiudice said:
Coming from the d1. My thunderbolt sounds like crap when in my pocket and driving in my car I can't hear most of the time. Volume up and changed tones and still not happy for such a big speaker. So any volume hacks?
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kinda surprises me, this phone is a good deal louder than my evo was with volume hacks. But I don't think we'll see any yet. Probably not until the kernal source code is released anyway.
*EDIT* figuired I'd mention that you posted in the wrong section. Should be in general.
Thinkin about drillin' some holes in the kickstand.
Or you can get a ROM that has the DSP Manager and see if you can't tweak the sound. I don't know if it works with ringing/verifications though.
Perhaps taking it out of your pocket will not dampen the sound
Damn your right about wrong sections. Sorry can the mods move it please thank you...but I hate the speaker sounding like crap the kick stand hurts it more I think.... I can hear my d1 in club..well thanks for your post
put it on vibrate also, so when in your pocket you will feel the rumble.
I agree with the volume issue, coming from a D1 myself. The other issue that I find is that when I plug it in my car stereo, via the headphone jack, the volume is much lower than the D1, so I end up with a fair amount of hiss, due to having to turn the volume up on the stereo.
The kickstand could use a couple holes in it. I really wish that they had switched the side that it opens on, that way we could charge it while using the kickstand.
I have the same problem, coming for Droid1. It's a shame how highly advertised the speaker on the TB is, but it sounds so much worse than my old Droid.
I knew some guys who were audio engineers for Sony-Ericsson, and they said that the biggest hurdle they face in designing speakers for phones is how thin the phones are. Good sound needs depth to the speakers, so it makes no sense to me why a phone like the D1 can have a speaker in a space that is a little more than half of the TB, and sound so much louder and better than the TB.
Wonder if you have a bad unit. I carry mine in my shirt pocket all day and I keep turning the volume down because it is so loud.
Just a thought
I swear mine is so loud I've never been happier. I had mine in my gym bag downstairs yesterday and I could still clearly hear the ringer at the other end of the house. I'm ALWAYS turning down the external speaker when using turn by turn or speaker phone. I mean this thing is LOUD Best speaker I've ever had in a phone.
I'd consider going to the store and seeing if the units there are louder to your ear, you may have defective units.
The speaker is fantastic if the kickstand isn't in the way. Otherwise the highs are muffled and overall volume is lower than it normally would be without a LARGE CHUNK OF METAL COVERING IT.
I do have a slight hearing deficit. I was on the original Moto Droid and then upgraded to the thunderbolt. I was subject to using the Old Spice jingle because it was loud so I could hear it from across the room or on my nightstand as I slept. I downloaded the same jingle and it just doesnt work. I really have to listen to it to make it out.
I'm glad its not just me. But still there has got to be something.

[Q] Mono speaker is freaking me out! Am I the only one?

Hi Prime users,
I'm a litte surprised there are no threads about this here.
I'm pleased with the general audio quality - feels a little like force feedback in games
BUT
I am totally irritated by the fact that the audio only comes from the right edge of the Prime. This is really driving my ears crazy.
What about you? Use headphones? External speakers? Got used to it?
I'd just like to know how you think on this one.
Regards,
pintness
It bothers me as well.
I didn't care really.. I agree that it would be better to have speakers like the TF101 (1 on each side).
I love the sound quality, but yeah it is uncomfortable unless you watch videos in portrait mode.
it bothers me a little bit. Mainly when I'm playing back something with sound and I can barely hear it due it's single speaker blowing out from the back.
From a design standpoint, ASUS should have at least included the left speaker on the left-bottom of the Keyboard Dock. It would have made more sense, making the tablet whole with it's keyboard dock accessory than not including no left channel audio at all. But oh well.
in fact it is a stereo speaker
redvirus said:
in fact it is a stereo speaker
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Indeed it is, but without proper stereo separation it is a little bizarre.
Doktaphex said:
Indeed it is, but without proper stereo separation it is a little bizarre.
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But... why would Asus do that? I mean, if they put in stereo speakers, why not put them in correct place? This looks like a really poor design decision to me.
If only they would put more effort into function than design...
I have an Acer Iconia A500, which has stereo speaker on the back, too.
General problem with those is that treble sounds aren't reflected well and you can't hear them at all, except when you hold the tablet in that ONE special position and form a cone with your hands.
At first it really bothered me (coming from the TF101) but now I can manage...
The quality IS a whole lot better compared to TF101 though, making up for it. Still really no idea what they were thinking here though.
I agree...weird but it is excellent quality.
I am more bothered by the fact that the speaker faces away from the user instead of towards the user. This means that most of the volume the tablet can put out is wasted unless you have some kind of sound reflector behind the tablet.
I know this is common among thin touchscreen devices, but to me it never stops being a source of minor annoyance.
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Indeed it is, but without proper stereo separation it is a little bizarre.
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therefore it is NOT stereo but mono.
Come on, that's audio 101. If it's outputing both left and right channel from one single speaker it's NOT Stereo.
the_game_master said:
therefore it is NOT stereo but mono.
Come on, that's audio 101. If it's outputing both left and right channel from one single speaker it's NOT Stereo.
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There are two speakers ... they just are side-by-side under that single perforation.
Lame I know, but ....
What I would have liked is to have the dock have speakers integrated (facing "up") with some separation.
That way, the tab alone could service headphones, but when docked and sitting open, it would have a better stereo experience without headphones.
definitely found it pretty weird for awhile but used to it now.
If I'm on the road, I use my headphones to block out sound and avoid annoying others.
If I'm at home, I'll plug it into my stereo speakers. If I ever use the built-in speaker, it's probably for unimportant stuff that doesn't really require good sound quality.
Never a problem
Posted this elsewhere, but I haven't seen anyone mentioning it, so perhaps it bears repeating:
NeoteriX said:
This is sort of a tangent, but if you're just holding the Prime and viewing/listening to something yourself, the way you hold the Prime can make a significant difference in how loud it is. The speaker is right at the right hand edge, if you hold it where the speaker is, and sorta cup your hand around the speaker grill, you can direct the sound to reflect off your hand and bounce it towards yourself.
It works surprisingly well and there's no need to install/root or whatever.
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NeoteriX said:
Posted this elsewhere, but I haven't seen anyone mentioning it, so perhaps it bears repeating:
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^ It helps.
Official cover
The thing that annoys me the most is that if you have the official Asus origami cover and use the flat slightly angled fold, it covers the speaker. And yes I agree that having the speaker face away from the user is a bizarre idea.
I found it hard not to cover it when holding in landscape, but once adjusting it actually sounds pretty good.
I think the quality is pretty impressive. Maybe a benefit from B&O working on their laptops.
I've found if you hold it in the right hand landscape mode then with a certain position it reflects the sound so that it appears to come from the left too.
To be honest if watching a film I would probably switch to headphones.

Does Lumia 920 have a design flaw?

I noticed the same thing on the iPhone. Both phones have their speakers on the bottom of the phone. What does this mean? When you hold the phone in landscape to play games and grip it in gaming grip, the base of your forefinger (first finger) covers the speakers and muffles the sound. I noticed this a lot playing games on my old iPhone. Speaker should be on the back ideally or on the sides.
tboy2000 said:
I noticed the same thing on the iPhone. Both phones have their speakers on the bottom of the phone. What does this mean? When you hold the phone in landscape to play games and grip it in gaming grip, the base of your forefinger (first finger) covers the speakers and muffles the sound. I noticed this a lot playing games on my old iPhone. Speaker should be on the back ideally or on the sides.
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use headphones
I haven't seen one up close yet, but I thought the power plug was on the bottom now. So, would that be in addition to the speakers on the bottom?? or did they move them elsewhere?
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use headphones
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Thank you for your wonderful useful tip. So I am only allowed to play a game with sound when I plug in headphones. Great practical advice from you! I like to see you hold the phone with the headphone plug digging into your finger too! I know because I made a mockup of the phone and held it in gaming grip.
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I haven't seen one up close yet, but I thought the power plug was on the bottom now. So, would that be in addition to the speakers on the bottom?? or did they move them elsewhere?
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The speakers are on the bottom of the phone on either side of the USB port.
It would be more practical on the back but in terms of design it looks uglier. That's why they put the speakers on the bottom. My Atrix has its speaker on the back and it is much better than when I had an iPhone.
Speakers never bothered me on the iphone 4s when I had it for 6 months so I don't see it as a design flaw here. I am terribly concerned about the size and weight though. I know that the older Lumia phones are thicker but it definitely does not look that way. The 920 looks HUGE and that is saying a lot since I currently have a GS3.
I hope that my concerns disappear after handling or I might have to get an HTC 8x, which I really want to avoid after owning two crappy HTC One X phones.
Personally I kind of like the thickness. Gives it substance. I have held ultra thin phones and think that I'll break them. Speaker placement to me doesn't matter as long as they sound good. I just hope it's more water tolerable than the L900. Saw the torture test on c|net and it wasn't pretty.
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The speakers are on the bottom of the phone on either side of the USB port.
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Just on one side, the other side is the mic.
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Just on one side, the other side is the mic.
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No, tboy is right. They are on both sides.
The 800 also has the speaker on the bottom. It doesn't bother me since I have a light grip on it when I play.
Anyway I think there are always some problems with the placement of the speakers. There is just no perfect solution. If you put it on the back then some people will complain that the sound will get muffled while it's placed on it's back e.g on the bed or the couch. If you wanna put it on the side then you are forced to put one on both sides but most windows phones have 3-4 buttons on one side and adding a speaker would make it look really cluttered and one may end up being muffled again. Top has the same problem as bottom and front wouldn't just work because of aesthetics.
I personally think that the speakers on the bottom are the lesser evil compared to the other options.
The speaker is placed on the bottom is actually a good idea.
With the iPhone it was placed on the bottom due to the alarm, so that the sound would not get blocked.
I always place my phone (s3) upside down just to hear my alarm better , Since I'm a deep sleeper.
The Lumia 920 has no flaws. It was designed hand manufactured by the hand of god. Just kidding. Speaker placement is actually very fine with me. It's more of a preference issue that you brought up. Cnet's torture test of the 900 shows that it will die from water. That should be an indication of what to expect. Then again, it's the only phone I know that you can hammer a nail with and still be fine. The 920 is supposed to be even tougher. So if my phone drowns... At lest I'll still be able to fix thins around the house with it. LOL. Most indestructible phone design I've seen so far was the Galaxy S3. Survive a washer cycle with ease.
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