[Q] AT&T 1308 update ETA - Edit: Now apparently... - Nokia Lumia 920

It seems other 920 varients have an available 1232.5957.1308 updates from nokia. It supposedly has bug fixes and camera improvements. Unsurprisingly, the AT&T varient is notably absent, and I'm on AT&T, and I am a fan of bug fixes and camera improvements. While i'm sure there's a reason for the absence, i'm certain it's not becaue its not ready for public consumption. So I ask, WTF AT&T & Nokia?
What is the ETA for AT&T's 1232.5957.1308 update?

If you know how to use NaviFirm to get your updates, its now available through there. In regards to an OTA update, only AT&T knows. But one would think that it showing up on Nokia's update servers means its coming sooner rather than later.

prjkthack said:
If you know how to use NaviFirm to get your updates, its now available through there. In regards to an OTA update, only AT&T knows. But one would think that it showing up on Nokia's update servers means its coming sooner rather than later.
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That is what i'm referring to...AT&T's 1308 firware is not on navifirm. Many if not all others are on navifirm, but AT&T's is not. OTA will take ages, I'm looking for the navifirm release.

superfire71 said:
That is what i'm referring to...AT&T's 1308 firware is not on navifirm. Many if not all others are on navifirm, but AT&T's is not. OTA will take ages, I'm looking for the navifirm release.
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I'm saying that AT&T's update IS there. It just showed up today. I am donwloading it as we speak. lol

prjkthack said:
If you know how to use NaviFirm to get your updates, its now available through there. In regards to an OTA update, only AT&T knows. But one would think that it showing up on Nokia's update servers means its coming sooner rather than later.
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and also...I see you're on AT&T, did you load a particular file from navifirm of the 1308 variety? If so, which did you choose? AT&T specific firmware should have a NAM_ATT_US somewhere in the title - at least the previous "portico" did.
Can you confirm?

prjkthack said:
If you know how to use NaviFirm to get your updates, its now available through there. In regards to an OTA update, only AT&T knows. But one would think that it showing up on Nokia's update servers means its coming sooner rather than later.
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I'm saying that AT&T's update IS there. It just showed up today. I am donwloading it as we speak. lol
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hmm, not showing up for me. Download it, fly to new york, load my phone, and I'll buy you a coke.
Edit: cleared navi firm cache and there it is!
Thanks man, sorry for doubting you!

superfire71 said:
hmm, not showing up for me. Download it, fly to new york, load my phone, and I'll buy you a coke.
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lol. There better be a plane ticket in there too. I'll pass on the coke. Haha.
You gotta clear your cache, in case you haven't. Otherwise NaviFirm always pulls data from your cache, which could be days old.

Just to be clear -- Flashing with update from Navifirm essentially performs a hard reset, yes/no?

piaqt said:
Just to be clear -- Flashing with update from Navifirm essentially performs a hard reset, yes/no?
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Yes.
If you want to simply update and retain your current data that isn't backed up, you need to wait for the OTA.
Navifirm will erase it all and start you from scratch (or from your Windows Phone 8 cloud backup).

I've already installed it, I used the nokia updater.
phone feels snapier, ##3282# doesn't work anymore.

prjkthack said:
If you know how to use NaviFirm to get your updates, its now available through there. In regards to an OTA update, only AT&T knows. But one would think that it showing up on Nokia's update servers means its coming sooner rather than later.
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Is Navifirm a website or program for the computer?

powerwagon said:
Is Navifirm a website or program for the computer?
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Link
it is an application

How's the battery after upgrade? mine was not very good and SMS acting up with can't send

battery was a bit better for me first day I got 19 hrs out of it, only thing I have off are NFC and bluetooth, I dont use SMS(I use whatsapp) I haven't noticed any issues, I did notice whatsapp loads faster and haven't had those resuming lags like I did on the previous build. Im still missing VPN and VOIP SIP apps.

I just updated to 1308 over the air from AT&T ... too soon to tell anything, but I like the storage display ... it take about 10 minutes for the update to get done ...

just got mine also over the air from att

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New HTC update available

(UK unbranded)
Takes the firmware version to 1600.2200.20104.401 and radio to 16.23.03.17_16.27.00.23U.
Other than the system time and date set back to 1980 after the update
not sure what has changed.....
Anyone else get this?
http://www.wpxbox.com/wp7-update-8107/
dazz29 said:
(UK unbranded)
Takes the firmware version to 1600.2200.20104.401 and radio to 16.23.03.17_16.27.00.23U.
Other than the system time and date set back to 1980 after the update
not sure what has changed.....
Anyone else get this?
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It's WP Mango update, not HTC update.
New update from Microsoft
Hello,
Did anyone received the new update from Microsoft released yesterday?
Build: 7.10.8107.79
Thnak you,
José Santos
Nope, nothing here i Norway
zeka1974 said:
Hello,
Did anyone received the new update from Microsoft released yesterday?
Build: 7.10.8107.79
Thnak you,
José Santos
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no update yet for me - uk unlocked titan.
Hello,
Anyone who wants to manually install this update, here is the solution
As a general warning, try this at your own risk, as it may affect future updates
Thanks,
Santos
zeka1974 said:
Hello,
Anyone who wants to manually install this update, here is the solution
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I updated phone without problems. Only little problem was with my language - czech, after update doesnt work phone in settings, after setting phone language in english was everything OK
Nothing yet in Spain :S
If anyone is on an AT&T phone and installs this let us know if tethering works or not.
It would be nice if it's there in this update.
nothing here too in Saudi Arabia both in my HD7 t-mobile brand & HTC Titan UK...
Hello,
I think this update will start to be released next week (for all equipments)
Maybe HTC launches a new firmware update with this new build too.
Thanks,
Santos
I think this is just an HTC update. My OS version is still 7.10.7740.16.
@Rickgig, tethering worked before this update. You just have to pay for it.
Sent from my PI39100 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
Rickgig said:
If anyone is on an AT&T phone and installs this let us know if tethering works or not.
It would be nice if it's there in this update.
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Tethering worked on my Titan before this update. You just have to pay for it.
Sent from my PI39100 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
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Hello,
Anyone who wants to manually install this update, here is the
As a general warning, try this at your own risk, as it may affect future updates
Thanks,
Santos
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The OS version on my AT&T HTC Titan is 77.10.7720.68 Your manual update seems like it pretty easy to do I was wondering if I wanted to try this then roll back how would I do that since your file don't have the version my phone has?
Also, do you happen to know if this new version or any newer version takes care of the random power cycling/reboot that occurs like 1 or 2 times every 12-18 hours? My phone seems a little better now that I uninstalled the HTC apps (except for the HTC version of Tango video chat software since that is made for the Titan) hope that these updates take care of that too.
neftv said:
The OS version on my AT&T HTC Titan is 77.10.7720.68 Your manual update seems like it pretty easy to do I was wondering if I wanted to try this then roll back how would I do that since your file don't have the version my phone has?
Also, do you happen to know if this new version or any newer version takes care of the random power cycling/reboot that occurs like 1 or 2 times every 12-18 hours? My phone seems a little better now that I uninstalled the HTC apps (except for the HTC version of Tango video chat software since that is made for the Titan) hope that these updates take care of that too.
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@Santos where is the download link for the manual install of the update pls? Thanks...
conqueror said:
@Santos where is the download link for the manual install of the update pls? Thanks...
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Hello,
You can see here and here
Thank You,
Santos
Hey guys,
Just updating you all on this if you haven't already read the Windows phone blog today.
They have mentioned in their blog that this update and the future 'maintenance updates' will fix more than the change log just to maintain any issues raised by the carriers. However, these maintenance updates will only be released to carriers that ask for it. So if your carrier did not ask for this maintenance update or anything else in future you won't get these kind of small maintenance updates. I am going to manually update my phone today as mine is SIM free and my carrier will never get me any maintenance updates.
I will post back if I see anything noticably different. I would however recommend that if you feel confident, then go for manual update as your carrier might or might not have asked Microsoft for the update. The reason I understand is these maintenance updates once applied require your carrier to put their crap back on your phone. Some carriers happily will do it and others will take long time to re-do their crap on the phone, which means you get update later than the world. I do appreciate MS's approach regarding maintenance update, but it's a shame we have some lazy carriers supplying network to windows phone!
I am thinking of doing the manual update as well. Would you indeed be so kind to post the result? I am curious!

Update question

Not used my 920 for a while & was wondering if you are still restricted to doing updates only over Wi-Fi?
Sorry for the double post but the reason I asked this is I dragged out my 920 the other day & checked for updates. It found one straightaway which it then downloaded & installed over the mobile network. Yet when I checked again on the off chance it found another update but insisted this one must be downloaded over wifi.
So why can download one on the mobile network & the other one over wifi?
Super Chimp said:
Sorry for the double post but the reason I asked this is I dragged out my 920 the other day & checked for updates. It found one straightaway which it then downloaded & installed over the mobile network. Yet when I checked again on the off chance it found another update but insisted this one must be downloaded over wifi.
So why can download one on the mobile network & the other one over wifi?
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It depends on the size of the update. I don't recall the limit but if the file is over a certain size the phone will give you a warning that it must be done over wifi. If it is small then it will do it over cellular.
Solarenemy68 said:
It depends on the size of the update. I don't recall the limit but if the file is over a certain size the phone will give you a warning that it must be done over wifi. If it is small then it will do it over cellular.
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Thought it might be something like that, have there been many updates for the 920 in the last three or four monts?
Super Chimp said:
Thought it might be something like that, have there been many updates for the 920 in the last three or four monts?
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They updated to the recent version about 5 months ago. Also note if you install language packs for voice support and such that counts as an update and it will go through the update process and even run the gears for a while when the pack installs.
Solarenemy68 said:
They updated to the recent version about 5 months ago. Also note if you install language packs for voice support and such that counts as an update and it will go through the update process and even run the gears for a while when the pack installs.
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That's odd the last update I remembered doing before this was around February. Hadn't installed any voice packs.
Thanks for the info on this.

[Q] TMo OTA Push to My S5 on Friday

Has anyone allowed this Kit-Kat push to install? If so, I would be curious to know what has changed, if any settings were lost, disabled apps re-enabled, etc.
I just hate to be a guinea pig for these OTA pushes; always afraid that Google and sammy will continue to lock down the control screws by removing user ability to disable instrusive built-in apps via Application Manager, etc. On the other hand, I realize that they will need to do bug fixes for some period of time after such a new release. In this case, the release notes are the most cryptic that I have ever seen "increases stability" but "might change settings, delete data, etc." What the hell?!!
I am trying to avoid rooting this new device but may be forced to in order to do an image backup to get back to a previous stable state if one of their OTAs wreaks too much havoc. Any thoughts on this or any way to disable OTAs with stock firmware for the TMo USA S5?
What version of software are you on?
So far there has only been one OTA push for the phone and that was the one you would have gotten out of the box.
version NCH.
That one is still rootable too.
I think that is what the root method was actually based on.
TheArtiszan said:
What version of software are you on?
So far there has only been one OTA push for the phone and that was the one you would have gotten out of the box.
version NCH.
That one is still rootable too.
I think that is what the root method was actually based on.
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Thank you for the reply, Artisan, and sorry for the late reply. I am on NCD (e.g., Build number KOT49H.G900TUVU1ANCD and Baseband G900TUVU1ANCD). I picked my phone up from a TMO store on the release Friday and received the OTA push download a few days later. I have not yet installed it because I cannot determine what it is/does/improves/or limits.
Not quite sure what you mean when you say that there has been one OTA push and I would have received it out of the box. The TMO store unboxed the phone and set it up for me. Either the update was not yet available, or was and they simply did not install it. In any case, it appears that I am on the released version NCD and what they are trying to push to me is the one and only update so far, NCH, right?
My question remains, what does NCH change? The release note is useless; it says "increases stability." Does anyone know the answer to this question?
Thank you!
Bruce
BruceElliott said:
Thank you for the reply, Artisan, and sorry for the late reply. I am on NCD (e.g., Build number KOT49H.G900TUVU1ANCD and Baseband G900TUVU1ANCD). I picked my phone up from a TMO store on the release Friday and received the OTA push download a few days later. I have not yet installed it because I cannot determine what it is/does/improves/or limits.
Not quite sure what you mean when you say that there has been one OTA push and I would have received it out of the box. The TMO store unboxed the phone and set it up for me. Either the update was not yet available, or was and they simply did not install it. In any case, it appears that I am on the released version NCD and what they are trying to push to me is the one and only update so far, NCH, right?
My question remains, what does NCH change? The release note is useless; it says "increases stability." Does anyone know the answer to this question?
Thank you!
Bruce
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The NCH update only does what it states, increases stability. It's what everyone is on and doesn't limit anything.

update z3v

Hi; is there an update for z3v with build N° 23.1.D.0.239 ?
i cant find it in xperifirm !!
Latest firmware for Z3v in xperifirm is 23.0.E.1.44 / R19B
Do you have the most recent Xperifirm?
This is also the latest firmware that VZW will send if you check for software updates.
yes my device shows 23.0.E.1.44 / R19B . and in right side in the same line S/O !
and it tells me that if it is S/O; i should use the software updater for the latest update so i did but i get the message error during DM session
is this officiel firmware ?
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is this officiel firmware ?
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Where in the world did you get that?
GigaSPX said:
Where in the world did you get that?
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i had the same question !!
we got to ask bridge's users (own a z3v) to find out if this build firmware is officiel
mohkam84 said:
i had the same question !!
we got to ask bridge's users (own a z3v) to find out if this build firmware is officiel
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Well I have PC companion, and I can't have it find my Z3v. It doesn't even share the same screen as that. If you have it, download and share it so we can confirm it too
Its sony bridge for mac like PC companion for pc
(that's my friend's device)
mohkam84 said:
Its sony bridge for mac like PC companion for pc
(that's my friend's device)
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Oh I know. See if he can download it and try it. I've stayed positive for months now since I got my phone, but I'm starting to lose my patience now. lol
mohkam84 said:
is this officiel firmware ?
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What blows my mind is how he got that info. It really makes it interesting that he found it through Apple hardware through Sony software. Hopefully that sort of made sense.
Bruce Lee said:
What blows my mind is how he got that info. It really makes it interesting that he found it through Apple hardware through Sony software. Hopefully that sort of made sense.
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Exactly this. Nowhere else on the internet has the update version number as precise as that. Download it, share it on here, you're making headlines everywhere. Xperiablog, GSMArena, Android Authority, etc.
Trying to see if I can access it.
However, the dang Sony Bridge application will not recognize my Z3v being plugged in
srsaloom said:
Trying to see if I can access it.
However, the dang Sony Bridge application will not recognize my Z3v being plugged in
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The TC is quite mysterious. He doesn't directly respond to sharing other information about it.
What I do guess is trying to reinstall the program based in a different region. Try somewhere in Europe or northern Europe. Wherever it seems that Lollipop was first released and see if the phone would get recognized there. Or even try to mimic the settings from the picture posted somehow.
I loaded this on my Macbook.
It would not recognize my Z3V either.
GigaSPX said:
The TC is quite mysterious. He doesn't directly respond to sharing other information about it.
What I do guess is trying to reinstall the program based in a different region. Try somewhere in Europe or northern Europe. Wherever it seems that Lollipop was first released and see if the phone would get recognized there. Or even try to mimic the settings from the picture posted somehow.
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I set my vpn in france & london. Neither yielded a different file. I guess the program just goes off of system language (hence the French in the OP's followup)
Well I'll be damned how Verizon could just hold onto it to put bloat in it.
I updated my recently bought tablet to Lollipop. I wanted to root it before I do it, but it was some hell of a trouble for me to get root because instructions were all over the place. I gave up on it halfway, go back to Kit Kat, then flashed the official Lollipop firmware. I have to say, it feels just as smooth if not better, and the whole Material design looks dazzling. Once it's going for the Z3v, I'm pretty sure it's definitely worth it despite all that's said from experience on the Galaxy S5.
One thing I do hope they add is a Clear All button for the Recents menu. It'd be convenient, but definitely a lot more convenient on the tablet because of the bigger touchscreen area.
A Tech guy I spoke to 2 days ago (during a service call) informed me that the Z3v voLTE update is scheduled for the end of the month!
I assume that would be included in the Lollipop update?!?
GigaSPX said:
The TC is quite mysterious. He doesn't directly respond to sharing other information about it.
What I do guess is trying to reinstall the program based in a different region. Try somewhere in Europe or northern Europe. Wherever it seems that Lollipop was first released and see if the phone would get recognized there. Or even try to mimic the settings from the picture posted somehow.
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i was working my friend so i cant respond
before u juge me the device its not mine i think i told u so; so i cant play with it. the owner was wondering if this is an officiel update for the phone so i post this question to knew about it than i ask him to send me a screen capture to share it with u all
and i told him to upload the firmware but he told me that he didnt find it in bridge contents folder's ..........
DJ Sandman said:
A Tech guy I spoke to 2 days ago (during a service call) informed me that the Z3v voLTE update is scheduled for the end of the month!
I assume that would be included in the Lollipop update?!?
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Oh gawd I hope that's true.
Sad to say, but I don't believe a word regarding updates (much less anything else) a Verizon rep or tech says to me anymore. I guess that makes me a bitter old man. lol

Z981 New update

Z981 for T-Mobile has a new update and it seems to fix some screen tearing issues. Update seems to add some stability too.
Any one else running this update?
Thoughts?
Just found out that you can unlock the bootloader with this update by tapping the build number 3 times.
Then developer options can be enabled.
Then OEM unlocking can be enabled.
What does this do for us guys?
It updated for me this morning, and I have yet to see much of a difference. Then again, I've been doing housework all day and haven't messed with the phone today.
Did some looking, the update was just the November security patch.
The bootloader unlock option was there before the recent update. You need to find the tmo folks on tinder and snuggle with them to get those tools to actually use that option.
Been 24hrs since I updated and have hammered device with no sight of the "Tetris stack" glitches. So on top of the security patch there must've been a kernel / graphic driver update.
good day.
The Metro variant just got an update too. Added a few features and included a few bug fixes. Haven't had time to really test drive it but it seems to be stabler, no screen bugs or data drops yet.
Edit: The Metro update also let us get into recovery now but nobody's had time to play with it much yet. So far we've got recovery, FTM mode, and safe mode, I think.
5318008 said:
The Metro variant just got an update too. Added a few features and included a few bug fixes. Haven't had time to really test drive it but it seems to be stabler, no screen bugs or data drops yet.
Edit: The Metro update also let us get into recovery now but nobody's had time to play with it much yet. So far we've got recovery, FTM mode, and safe mode, I think.
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Well now! This is a horse of a different color! ????
5318008 said:
The Metro variant just got an update too. Added a few features and included a few bug fixes. Haven't had time to really test drive it but it seems to be stabler, no screen bugs or data drops yet.
Edit: The Metro update also let us get into recovery now but nobody's had time to play with it much yet. So far we've got recovery, FTM mode, and safe mode, I think.
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Yes the metro update actually fix my screen flicker. I tested minecraft that has screen flicker many many times while playing it. After the update, I played it again and no flickers so I am really happy about it.
AS for recovery, FTM mode, and safe mode - I had all those even before the update, actually.
asianrocker said:
Yes the metro update actually fix my screen flicker. I tested minecraft that has screen flicker many many times while playing it. After the update, I played it again and no flickers so I am really happy about it.
AS for recovery, FTM mode, and safe mode - I had all those even before the update, actually.
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Yeah, sorry about that, hope I didn't get anyone's hopes up. I was reporting what someone else had said they noticed but it was the same stuff we'd had access to before.
Hi does anyone has the T-Mobile Update.zip?
For some reason I haven't received the update where I am right now for my T-Mobile variant. Can anyone upload the update.zip and share it? I look everywhere I could and people have only uploaded the MetroPCS versions. This is the version I need TMO_Z981V1.0.0B07 I'm already on the previous one. Thanks ?
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For some reason I haven't received the update where I am right now for my T-Mobile variant. Can anyone upload the update.zip and share it? I look everywhere I could and people have only uploaded the MetroPCS versions. This is the version I need TMO_Z981V1.0.0B07 I'm already on the previous one. Thanks ?
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You might check in this thread
http://androidforums.com/threads/zte-zmax-pro-z981-root-discussion.1055354/
The Metro update was uploaded there but I don't think anyone has uploaded the T-Mobile update. I think they both got pulled temporarily because while some phones with issues were working better, some other phones without issues were doing worse after updating.
Sent from my Z981 using Tapatalk
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You might check in this thread
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Thanks, the site is under maintenance, but it wasn't uploaded there, it was one of the threads I looked thru.
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The Metro update was uploaded there but I don't think anyone has uploaded the T-Mobile update. I think they both got pulled temporarily because while some phones with issues were working better, some other phones without issues were doing worse after updating.
Sent from my Z981 using Tapatalk
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Yes, that's what I thought after I read in one thread that MetroPCS pulled the update. Waiting a bit doesn't kills? Feels great to be back in XDA again. I usually use XDA for learning and reference, I only have a couple of post but been around for awhile.
My z981's mfg date was October 2016, T-Mobile variant, I picked it up December 10th, when I realised my Nexus 5 was unsalvageable. I assume the update was pulled, as I am on 0B04, one page on T-Mobile's site says the update was set for a staged release between the 21st of November through the 19th of December, another page doesn't even show this phone amongst their active or testing updates..
If I receive an update notification, I'll pull the file, but I probably won't flash it myself.
Dan
moxlon69 said:
My z981's mfg date was October 2016, T-Mobile variant, I picked it up December 10th, when I realised my Nexus 5 was unsalvageable. I assume the update was pulled, as I am on 0B04, one page on T-Mobile's site says the update was set for a staged release between the 21st of November through the 19th of December, another page doesn't even show this phone amongst their active or testing updates..
If I receive an update notification, I'll pull the file, but I probably won't flash it myself.
Dan
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I just went into the settings and found the software update and bam there it was. It's a really stable update. And after disabling every app I could the phone runs like a dream.
Anyone try charging this phone with a Qualcomm Quick charger 3.0?
memebot said:
I just went into the settings and found the software update and bam there it was. It's a really stable update. And after disabling every app I could the phone runs like a dream.
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Nice. The update never showed up on my device. I may reset it just to see, but I'm not concerned. I replaced the launcher from the start, disabled a couple of apps, but the phone works well enough for me as is. I mostly read and listen to music, so nothing demanding.
Still, a nougat update with an unlocked bootloader/fastboot would be a great gift from ZTE lol.
[edit] I backed up my music and files, and reset the phone, still no update. I won't worry about it 'till people start receiving the 'next' update, or root is achieved and someone makes a custom kernel/rom.
memebot said:
Anyone try charging this phone with a Qualcomm Quick charger 3.0?
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I don't personally own one, the default charger works well enough for me so far, though the phone supposedly charges significantly faster while off. I haven't tested this myself, but if it turns out to be true, I'd assume the kernel limits charging, which wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.
Can anyone load the update for me to download I cannot get my phone to update, doesn't show the option. TMO_Z981V1.0.0B07 is what I need
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Can anyone load the update for me to download I cannot get my phone to update, doesn't show the option. TMO_Z981V1.0.0B07 is what I need
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If I ever receive the update I'll pull it from the device and upload it to mega or Google drive. Not holding my breath, since it was probably put on hold for causing issues on some devices.
I shall greatly appreciate it if you can do it or anyone that updates and has the time to load it.

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